I'm' not gonna lie, the z train is like the MYSTERY unicorn train that no one even thinks about, I live close to Parsons/Archer, if it comes my way, I'll use it, if necessary, but more can be done if the scheduling can be adjusted
Yes the zed service pattern can be adjusted to be express to from broadway junction to from Marcy Avenue in the non peak direction and the j train no express after broadway junction and just local after that and this would stop people from getting confused of what train are stopping, and cbtc will help a lot.
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 it can also be used on the express track between Myrtle Avenue and and Broadway Junction. Hopefully in the future, the remnants of the old Fulton Street el can be put back to use and be extended either east to maybe just Starrett City, further east down Linden Blvd into the Conduit as a stone viaduct to JFK airport, or west to the once proposed terminal of Brooklyn College for the L.
@@qjtvaddictthat won’t solve anything unless you replace it with a new line, and if you do then we can have the M run along Culver with the F. This would be handy for a Staten Island extension if the M is moved there.
@@Reformperson idk about turning myrtle ave into a shuttle since they like the one seat ride to midtown but it is worth it to save Capacity and if this is done the J is now fully de interlined meaning that it can run 27 tph and now we can have full peak Direction EXP service between BWAY JUNCTION and havemayer street with only 2 merges at each exp end point and now We can send J trains to Bay ridge 95th street and the R to Linden Plaza via A New tunnel at 30 TPH and if we put CBTC on the Williamsburg Bridge then the J can be run at 30-32 TPH and along with either an extension to 168th street or to SE Queens on or near guy r brewer Boulevard you have seriously improved the line along with things like smoothing out its curves and stop consolidation
@@omarfaruq9233 first we can do all this very expensive but worth it first we have the stations expanded to handle 10 cars and from there we have the E take over the Myrtle Ave segment using the Myrtle Ave station on the upper level.
@@omarfaruq9233So who Cares about one seat rides, the line from LGA to Myrtle Av via 63 Dr and Junction Blvd is good enough. Stop consolidation needs to happen not just the J but the M to (excluding Myrtle-Wycoff Avenues) M also suffers from stops being closed to each other. Yes it removes one seat rides but yet it boost capacity(using the upper level not lower).
This has been talked about for years. As a matter of fact, the train system proposed to have an express turn on Jamaica Avenue after Broadway Junction East NY. But the community fought it because they wanted stops. Stops are the biggest part of a transit budget. The Jamaica Line can support Express services. But they are no stations along the section. So proposing a Woodhaven Express station is necessary. However, i also proposed a Jamaica Avenue stations after Cypress Hills. This would just fulfill why the line didn't get built before. Redo the Myrtle station with a fly junction.
Great video I agree with alot Because the J is one of the lines with the most potential to improve One thing about the extension to Hollis 190th if it was on Jamaica ave 183rd street wouldn't need to exist as it's too close to 177th street
They should do the J local and Z express between Alabama av and Marcy av 6am-12pm manhattan bound Z express between Alabama av and Marcy av and 3:15pm-9:45pmZ express between Marcy av and Alabama av
The thing about the "vocal minority" is that they have powerful sway. They're otherwise known as "NIMBY's", and are largely responsible for blocking much needed transit improvements, such as extending the Astoria line to La Guardia Airport.
How exactly do they have power? It seems to me that everyday the city steamrolls people with actual concerns about building high rises in residential areas while ceding transit plans to a vocal minority. I think corruption is at play.
Also if we have the E train to SE queens run to Cambria heights Instead of the PFA plan I think extending the J parallel to Guy R brewer and sutphin Blvds to Springfield Blvd would be nessacary to reduce crowds and the hefty distance from places like south Jamaica Rochdale etc. you can either have it run with the E until 109th ave or have it run to 168th street and turn southwest then straight south paralleling guy r brewer and sutphin to fully serve SE queens with lines in North queens south queens western Queens eastern central and western Brooklyn and Midtown and downtown Manhattan with having lots of transfers between the two it wouldn't be exactly cheap but it would be a great idea to serve the most riders in SE queens while giving them lots of options thanks to the E and J trains having two completely different routes while running together
We can accomplish that with the Lefferts Extension however but as far as the SE Queens line goes the E would be better off getting Extended to Rosedale Francis Lewis Blvd for a direct LIRR connection as well as being within a walking distance to Green Acres Mall as well as serving Valley Stream Residents. This allows those residents a one seat ride to Midtown Manhattan with better frequent E Trains. The J however should have an extension to Belmont Park UBS Arena in Elmont.
@@Reformperson idk about the A train connection if Queenslink is built I will support it but if the temu great value stupid ass knock off ripoff goofy ahh highline clone gets built I will stick to my guns since riders will get a chance to transfers to the E at sutphin or Jamaica Center also we could just extend the J to rosedale/Francis Lewis Boulevard parallel to sutphin and guy r brewer Boulevards before turning east to rose dale
Having the J Train run with the E Train together could work having direct access for a one seat ride to Midtown and Lower Manhattan for that particular area similar to the 2 Ave line like the F and Q Train the J Train can reduce E Train crowded volume
@@somecallmeelvis I wish that were the case but the J tracks actually continue further east while the E tracks curve south which are the provisions for the SE Queens Line and what I wanted that line to do is of course go up to Rosedale so that even Valley Stream residents get access to the E Train within Walking Distance.
@@Reformperson the problem with extending the E train to eastern Francis lewis is that the area that the PFAs se Queens line served are now a transit desert again so unless you wanna extend the Liberty Ave Branch of the Fulton street Line East To Cambira Heights via Linden Boulevard the area around south Jamaica will just become another transit desert admittedly better then now but if you use the plan you set up that's solved and now the J train can run to Floral park or UBS
Well i agree with you, the J and Z has litterally loads of potential but they were downgraded so Z train service would be suspended until further notice, Iw would add a flyover track, Woodhaven blvd would be an island Platform. The Z can use the flyover track to skip all them stops on the J but then we run into issues. Well we might as well permanently suspended Z train service and start fixing the J.
I was hoping a peak direction express service might work but if there’s a huge demand for capacity at many stations, this plan is probably better anyway
With Queenslink, almost all of the bus traffic on Woodhaven Blvd will be shifted to the RBB. So the J stopping at Brooklyn Manor would be better to serve those riders. But for the time being, you are right, which is why I put Brooklyn Manor in the future category. And I added that it might be infeasible, thanks to the J slopping up to pass over the RBB, and ADA guidelines prohibit a station with a steep slope.
the only good thing about SkipStop is spreading out the crowds that get on the J Line. Some J trains get so bad with overcrowding. During Rush Hours the Z did help with making the trains less packed.
An express track is needed for the middle track so convert this station to a side platform and then the express run above the local tracks until queens and bypasses the curve entirely. 10:58
Never understood why skip stop exists on Jamaica line. The 1 and 9 skip stop service was eliminated. Also I think that the abandoned center track should be re installed to make service faster, even though some stations would have to be rebuilt.
@@omarfaruq9233the issue is that the 1 has no island platforms so some of the 1 train stations would need to be converted into a island Platform to accommodate the 9 train returning.
I had a more crazier idea for the J and Z lines after Broadway Junction: I noticed on the full track map that there's 2 extra tracks that are unused on the Atlantic branch of the LIRR, so my idea is to reroute the train lines on to Atlantic Avenue, and using those tracks between Broadway Junction and Sutphin Blvd-Archer Avenue.
@@stevenroshni1228 Straightens out the line, so less need for trains to be forced to slow down, and you also get to space the stations out more, so they can run faster, and removing the elevated Structure will vastly reduce the noise pollution in the neighborhood. Here's where I would have the following stops on the new line on Atlantic Avenue: Warwick Street Conduit Blvd. Rockaway Blvd. Woodhaven Blvd. 108 Street Lefferts Blvd The current line has 11 stops, so this will allow for faster travel time, and if we do this in addition to the suggestions that Joint Transit Association mentions in the video, the the whole idea of skip stop service might no longer be needed.
Finishing the proposed express tracks (similar to the 7 line) can fix much of this, also extending service past Parson would be great. Alabama Ave provides a Bus connection not just access to the yard for workers, so removing that station would be bothersome for quite a number of riders. Service demand is only going to increase as higher occupancy homes are continued to be built near and around this line, some serious considerations will be needed to meet with the demand
@@odemata87 Alabama Av is not needed. The only unique bus connection the station has is the B12, which could easily be moved to the Broadway Junction bus terminal. Any workers at the yard can take Liberty Av or BJ.
it would've been nice if planners when creating the BMT Jamaica Line just put it on Jamaica Avenue after Broadway Junction, meaning no bad Crescent St S curve to worry about. Unfortunately that mistake is now undoable since it would be too much to replace and be almost impossible to justify doing now that theres a park and cemetery there
10:08 You don't need to combine Lormier and Hewes street to get an in system transfer to the G. You could get that free transfer by extending Hewes st East to be able to fit 10 car trains and then ad the connection to the G down Montrose street. This would allow for a new entrance and exit to the G Train at Broadway, be less disrupitve, and prevent crowding on stairs at Broadway.
Combining the two stations would actually allow for faster J and M train service, and this is especially since both Hewes and Lorimer have lower ridership levels compared to other stations nearby.
@@TheRailLeaguer 1) Considering express services already skip the station, there will be limited time savings. 2) The area is growing, so there will be increases in ridership at these stations. 3) Extending a station will require less political captial than tearing down 2 and then building a new station. 4) Extending the station will require less resources which is important when consider that there are other higher priority projects that need to happen that will require a high amount of resources.
@@kinglander144 Ridership ag those two stations isn’t really growing at all compared to nearby stations. Also building a new station will not require a lot of resources, since the new Union Avenue station is a rather popular proposal among rail fans and commuters and residents in Williamsburg, especially since both stations will remain open while the new one is built, similar to how Arthur Kill station was built to replace Nassau and Atlantic on the Staten Island Railway.
Maybe The Z train last stop should at BWJ in middle track then extend it to Bay Ridge with the R train. It would remain an express while M & J train locals.
This video is amazing low key I prefer weekends if I don’t drive or take the lirr to take the j line instead of the QBL wait times are a embarrassment especially on weekends long wait times 15 20 even up to 30 minute wait for E F and R lines unacceptable this will be a game changer and don’t get me started on the QBL nights after 9:30 pm slow local service. Can you do meadowlands rail line on NJ Transit it’s a pain to use it especially coming out of the stadium long wait times there need room for improvement hate taking that line
Idk if the community would love changing Crescent curve, I could see Bama being changed but not Crescent. Crescent is a heavy culture center and hell of a melting pot, people are gonna be really unhappy about change. I think your consolidation of Norwood/Crescent is a good idea for the speed but I think the Cypress Hills consolidation would be taking a step backwards. Those stations are only a few blocks away from each other and Crescent/Cypress is a heavy residential area. Moving the Crescent station will 100% increase Cypress Hills usage. Moving the Cypress station further AND the Crescent station is going to piss off a lot of people because it’s removing both stations away from Crescent residents. S.N: I’m extremely tired, sorry for any errors
I definitely like this idea with the J line but here’s my take on how we can even get rid of the Cresent St S curve which is not only slow but very noisy. The best way would of course to tear down the el on Fulton St and from there rebuild it along Jamaica Ave which would straighten the J line as well. Stop consolidation would be implemented as well. The Jamaica Center Problem would need to be addressed as well as by extending the J to 168 St as well as extending the E to Francis Lewis Blvd using the LIRR ROW. This extension of the E would add a new yard built on the Railroad Park which would be converted to a rail yard exclusively for the E. This would allow the E to run 18tph and to accomplish this we would have an implemented F and M swap, so that we can run more E and F Trains, with this this also fixes 8th Ave by having more frequent E Trains on the local tracks to the point where the C Trains moves to the Express tracks, we can also fix CPW that way as well by having the A and C run express as with this plan we won’t have to construct switches and they can continue straight along 8th Ave at better frequencies. The implementation of chances are as follows A/C 8th Ave/CPW Express B/D 6th Ave Express/CPW Local J: Jamaica Center 168th St to Broad St This also allows the J to be as good as the L and 7 lines which are the most frequent lines in the system.
@@Reformperson I definitely agreed with this but I would personally extend the J to cambria heights or floral park with the Extended F train on Hillside
@@omarfaruq9233 that could actually work and by doing so here’s what we can do to ensure this works good First the J would be terminating at 168 St in the short term for a better terminal. The next thing of course would be extending the J to Belmont Park UBS in Elmont. The next thing is having the E Train going to Rosedale Francis Lewis Blvd to increase its capacity to 18tph. For the A and C this would allow for deinterlining on 8th Ave and by doing so we can allow the C Trains to go express between 145 St and Canal St like what the A does. The C would be extended to Lefferts Blvd with this plan in the short term and in the future we can have the R join Fulton to have the C run to Lefferts Blvd and from there have the C go to Cambria Heights 229 St while the A remains the same. These changes have the A and C run at 36tph combined. Which is double than what they run at today. The only changes the B and D have is the local service in CPW with swapped terminals 8th Ave A: Inwood 207 St to Far Rockaway Mott Ave C: Norwood 205 St to Cambria Heights 229 St E: Rosedale Francis Lewis Blvd to World Trade Center 6th Ave B: Bedford Pk Blvd to Bay Ridge 95 St D: 168 St to Coney Island (Sea Beach)
@@Reformperson the only problem Is the community opposition to the E train extension as it would have to cross belt pkway making it an el so other than that this is fantastic and also Francis Lewis Boulevard is weird as hell so yeah also where F train Extension?
@@Reformperson I would also have the C train branched on concourse to co-OP city via Fordham road and the D which in my world will run on concourse instead of inwood extend that to co-op city along with the 6 train to co-op city making a transit hub at that station the D train will run at 15 tph which is fine enough to serve the northern cross bronx subway and the C will run at 18 tph which is plenty to serve the central cross bronx subway
I do like the idea of a new intermodal Williamsburg Bridge Terminal, if we’re building a new stop at Havermeyer/Roebling. Call it The Williamsburg Bridge Terminal. Place everything in fare control, and speed up boarding for all of the buses, and make a simpler transfer between all the buses and trains.
I was genuenly baffled whn I first heard of skip stop. It's just such a stupid concept. And add that it express service on double track is perfectly possible. A number of lines in Tokyo (private and metro alike) operate 24 tph or more on double track with various express services. That does of course require some infrastructure such as in station overtakes but it is perfectly possible. Quad tracking or separate express lines are of course preferred but if that is not possible there is a way.
I feel like for some of the station consolidations, the new inbetween stations isnt the best decision, compared with just cutting one station and keeping the other. Ex: Alabama Av could just be cut without removing Van Siclen, no questions asked. Liberty Av on the A and Broadway Junction sweep all of the station area. Crescent St could also just be removed while keeping 75th, since Crescent and 75 cover the area.
4:18 Question, what if, instead of straightening the curves, the curves were banked instead? Would that allow the trains to take the curves at higher speeds or would that be too disruptive for passengers/would the necessary banking be too severe to be practical?
My thought and my opinion for the B.M.T. Jamaica Line for the (J)/(Z), the MTA, they should extend the (J)/(Z) Train's to Belmont Park Station to connect LIRR Elmont Station. All Jamaica B.M.T. Lines stations should have 10-Cars platforms and 4 Tracks so that the (J)/(Z) have they're own track. The LIRR should no longer end at Belmont Park Station. Instead have the (J)/(Z) end at Belmont Park Station to connect to LIRR Elmont Station for people to work, event in UBS Arena and race track especially for people that lives in Elmont. After Archer Avenue Station, it should be Merrick Boulevard Station. Brooklyn Manor Station should replace Woodhaven Boulevard and 104th Street Station's to transfer to the Queens Link for the 6th Avenue (M) Train would be excellent idea. The (Z) Train should operate on weekends and to be express service except late nights.
@@nycli376 not a bad idea what we can do is make the LIRR a super express on that corridor and from there the J would use those stops up to Belmont Park to serve Islanders Fans as well as Elmont residents. This would be very helpful for people getting to games and events held at UBS Arena.
@@nycli376 yup and Elmont Residents as well. We would need stop consolidation as well as a portal on the location of the Dunkin and the Car Wash next to it to use that space for a portal to access the LIRR Tracks.
Okay so unless I missed it or not you talked about the J&M line and all these different streets and changes maybe and stuff like that what is the replacement of the Z train? There was no mention of the Z replacement
This entire plan is the replacement to the Z. The main reason the MTA put skip stop was to speed up trips. I am putting a plan that would speed up trips so much that the Z won’t be needed.
What they could do is create a new line that Runs 8 Cars from Coney Island, Via the West end. The (H) Recolored to Brown, have it run with the J after running through Montague, all the way to Jamaica.
With station consolidation, hopefully elevator placement is considered (really should be on both ends of the platform to have redunceny as it's impossible to run an elevator 24/7/365 due to maintance. Everything east of Mytlre Broadway is an all or nothing to make it worth and NYC doesn't have the track record to give riders confidence that it will do everything promised.
Move the Z to to Second Avenue also bring back the H and also put in on Second Avenue to replace the W. The Second Avenue services will be the T H V and Z.
6:50 Or they can just demolish Myrtle Ave and Flushing Ave, build layup tracks where the Myrtle platforms exist, and reactivate the forgotten Park Ave Station
Lincoln would be an express station and do island platforms Jamaica Center needs four tracks to accommodate the express trains and more j trains can be turned per hour broad St would make do with the city and select locals termination at Chambers St and re-activate the abandoned stations or just the tracks for the zed and the zeds would stop on the middle tracks of chambers st with js terminating on the outer tracks buts it is possible to do the opposite, but the express only operation in one direction 14:51
Skip stop is, and will ALWAYS be a joke!! If you are not taking the Z to the terminals then it’s useless. Especially where I live along this line. For two reasons. 1) Between Chauncey Street and Van Siclen Avenue, it makes every stop. And if you have to get off or on at a J only stop, that’s just more time. And yes, 10 minutes is the wait time. 2) I literally just a few seconds ago ran for a J train at Broadway Junction at this rush hour time and caught it only to realize I can’t get off at my stop. I like the idea of grade separation at Myrtle Avenue. A Union Avenue station would be great as well.
Very good idea because the j trains would have fewer delays and the upper level should be two tracks and only the m train will service it the viaduct can be eliminated and this helps the m itself. 6:56
Well, I can say is it's stupid.They really want to make that kind of a change.It's not worth the money involved and they know it.They just want to show that they're doing something
The Williamsburg Bridge is limited to 27 train per hour. Since the tracks are shared by J and M trains, J trains would only be able to run about 10 tph, which is not enough to run peak direction express. So a better alternative for peak direction express is station consolidation so that the entire run time of the line can be decreased.
The Jamaica line should have been built with four tracks, so there can be true express service in both directions at all times. It would be a significantly faster alternative to the E and F trains
Skip stop is not a joke. Jokes are funny.
Bruh
lmaoooooooooooooo
I'm' not gonna lie, the z train is like the MYSTERY unicorn train that no one even thinks about, I live close to Parsons/Archer, if it comes my way, I'll use it, if necessary, but more can be done if the scheduling can be adjusted
Yes the zed service pattern can be adjusted to be express to from broadway junction to from Marcy Avenue in the non peak direction and the j train no express after broadway junction and just local after that and this would stop people from getting confused of what train are stopping, and cbtc will help a lot.
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 it can also be used on the express track between Myrtle Avenue and and Broadway Junction. Hopefully in the future, the remnants of the old Fulton Street el can be put back to use and be extended either east to maybe just Starrett City, further east down Linden Blvd into the Conduit as a stone viaduct to JFK airport, or west to the once proposed terminal of Brooklyn College for the L.
Just make the Z local in Brooklyn and the J express. Skip stop service is terrible.
Only way to do that is remove the M from the line
@@qjtvaddictthat won’t solve anything unless you replace it with a new line, and if you do then we can have the M run along Culver with the F. This would be handy for a Staten Island extension if the M is moved there.
@@Reformperson idk about turning myrtle ave into a shuttle since they like the one seat ride to midtown but it is worth it to save Capacity and if this is done the J is now fully de interlined meaning that it can run 27 tph and now we can have full peak Direction EXP service between BWAY JUNCTION and havemayer street with only 2 merges at each exp end point and now We can send J trains to Bay ridge 95th street and the R to Linden Plaza via A New tunnel at 30 TPH and if we put CBTC on the Williamsburg Bridge then the J can be run at 30-32 TPH and along with either an extension to 168th street or to SE Queens on or near guy r brewer Boulevard you have seriously improved the line along with things like smoothing out its curves and stop consolidation
@@omarfaruq9233 first we can do all this very expensive but worth it first we have the stations expanded to handle 10 cars and from there we have the E take over the Myrtle Ave segment using the Myrtle Ave station on the upper level.
@@omarfaruq9233So who Cares about one seat rides, the line from LGA to Myrtle Av via 63 Dr and Junction Blvd is good enough. Stop consolidation needs to happen not just the J but the M to (excluding Myrtle-Wycoff Avenues) M also suffers from stops being closed to each other. Yes it removes one seat rides but yet it boost capacity(using the upper level not lower).
This has been talked about for years. As a matter of fact, the train system proposed to have an express turn on Jamaica Avenue after Broadway Junction East NY. But the community fought it because they wanted stops. Stops are the biggest part of a transit budget.
The Jamaica Line can support Express services. But they are no stations along the section. So proposing a Woodhaven Express station is necessary.
However, i also proposed a Jamaica Avenue stations after Cypress Hills. This would just fulfill why the line didn't get built before.
Redo the Myrtle station with a fly junction.
J Train service needs to evolve
Great video I agree with alot
Because the J is one of the lines with the most potential to improve
One thing about the extension to Hollis 190th if it was on Jamaica ave 183rd street wouldn't need to exist as it's too close to 177th street
They should do the J local and Z express between Alabama av and Marcy av 6am-12pm manhattan bound Z express between Alabama av and Marcy av and 3:15pm-9:45pmZ express between Marcy av and Alabama av
The thing about the "vocal minority" is that they have powerful sway. They're otherwise known as "NIMBY's", and are largely responsible for blocking much needed transit improvements, such as extending the Astoria line to La Guardia Airport.
How exactly do they have power? It seems to me that everyday the city steamrolls people with actual concerns about building high rises in residential areas while ceding transit plans to a vocal minority. I think corruption is at play.
Also if we have the E train to SE queens run to Cambria heights Instead of the PFA plan I think extending the J parallel to Guy R brewer and sutphin Blvds to Springfield Blvd would be nessacary to reduce crowds and the hefty distance from places like south Jamaica Rochdale etc. you can either have it run with the E until 109th ave or have it run to 168th street and turn southwest then straight south paralleling guy r brewer and sutphin to fully serve SE queens with lines in North queens south queens western Queens eastern central and western Brooklyn and Midtown and downtown Manhattan with having lots of transfers between the two it wouldn't be exactly cheap but it would be a great idea to serve the most riders in SE queens while giving them lots of options thanks to the E and J trains having two completely different routes while running together
We can accomplish that with the Lefferts Extension however but as far as the SE Queens line goes the E would be better off getting Extended to Rosedale Francis Lewis Blvd for a direct LIRR connection as well as being within a walking distance to Green Acres Mall as well as serving Valley Stream Residents. This allows those residents a one seat ride to Midtown Manhattan with better frequent E Trains.
The J however should have an extension to Belmont Park UBS Arena in Elmont.
@@Reformperson idk about the A train connection if Queenslink is built I will support it but if the temu great value stupid ass knock off ripoff goofy ahh highline clone gets built I will stick to my guns since riders will get a chance to transfers to the E at sutphin or Jamaica Center also we could just extend the J to rosedale/Francis Lewis Boulevard parallel to sutphin and guy r brewer Boulevards before turning east to rose dale
Having the J Train run with the E Train together could work having direct access for a one seat ride to Midtown and Lower Manhattan for that particular area similar to the 2 Ave line like the F and Q Train the J Train can reduce E Train crowded volume
@@somecallmeelvis I wish that were the case but the J tracks actually continue further east while the E tracks curve south which are the provisions for the SE Queens Line and what I wanted that line to do is of course go up to Rosedale so that even Valley Stream residents get access to the E Train within Walking Distance.
@@Reformperson the problem with extending the E train to eastern Francis lewis is that the area that the PFAs se Queens line served are now a transit desert again so unless you wanna extend the Liberty Ave Branch of the Fulton street Line East To Cambira Heights via Linden Boulevard the area around south Jamaica will just become another transit desert admittedly better then now but if you use the plan you set up that's solved and now the J train can run to Floral park or UBS
Well i agree with you, the J and Z has litterally loads of potential but they were downgraded so Z train service would be suspended until further notice, Iw would add a flyover track, Woodhaven blvd would be an island Platform. The Z can use the flyover track to skip all them stops on the J but then we run into issues. Well we might as well permanently suspended Z train service and start fixing the J.
I was hoping a peak direction express service might work but if there’s a huge demand for capacity at many stations, this plan is probably better anyway
I think getting rid of Woodhaven Blvd is a terrible idea! The connection to Q52 and Q53 busses are very important.
With Queenslink, almost all of the bus traffic on Woodhaven Blvd will be shifted to the RBB. So the J stopping at Brooklyn Manor would be better to serve those riders.
But for the time being, you are right, which is why I put Brooklyn Manor in the future category. And I added that it might be infeasible, thanks to the J slopping up to pass over the RBB, and ADA guidelines prohibit a station with a steep slope.
the only good thing about SkipStop is spreading out the crowds that get on the J Line. Some J trains get so bad with overcrowding. During Rush Hours the Z did help with making the trains less packed.
Agreed
An express track is needed for the middle track so convert this station to a side platform and then the express run above the local tracks until queens and bypasses the curve entirely. 10:58
Never understood why skip stop exists on Jamaica line. The 1 and 9 skip stop service was eliminated. Also I think that the abandoned center track should be re installed to make service faster, even though some stations would have to be rebuilt.
It's cheaper to bring back the nine train to fix the zed
@@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2 dont the 1 train is perfect as is dont do anything to it
@@omarfaruq9233the issue is that the 1 has no island platforms so some of the 1 train stations would need to be converted into a island Platform to accommodate the 9 train returning.
I had a more crazier idea for the J and Z lines after Broadway Junction:
I noticed on the full track map that there's 2 extra tracks that are unused on the Atlantic branch of the LIRR, so my idea is to reroute the train lines on to Atlantic Avenue, and using those tracks between Broadway Junction and Sutphin Blvd-Archer Avenue.
what's the advantage of that?
@@stevenroshni1228 Straightens out the line, so less need for trains to be forced to slow down, and you also get to space the stations out more, so they can run faster, and removing the elevated Structure will vastly reduce the noise pollution in the neighborhood.
Here's where I would have the following stops on the new line on Atlantic Avenue:
Warwick Street
Conduit Blvd.
Rockaway Blvd.
Woodhaven Blvd.
108 Street
Lefferts Blvd
The current line has 11 stops, so this will allow for faster travel time, and if we do this in addition to the suggestions that Joint Transit Association mentions in the video, the the whole idea of skip stop service might no longer be needed.
Finishing the proposed express tracks (similar to the 7 line) can fix much of this, also extending service past Parson would be great. Alabama Ave provides a Bus connection not just access to the yard for workers, so removing that station would be bothersome for quite a number of riders. Service demand is only going to increase as higher occupancy homes are continued to be built near and around this line, some serious considerations will be needed to meet with the demand
@@odemata87 Alabama Av is not needed. The only unique bus connection the station has is the B12, which could easily be moved to the Broadway Junction bus terminal. Any workers at the yard can take Liberty Av or BJ.
@@peskypigeonx B83 Q24 Q56 B12 B20.
it would've been nice if planners when creating the BMT Jamaica Line just put it on Jamaica Avenue after Broadway Junction, meaning no bad Crescent St S curve to worry about. Unfortunately that mistake is now undoable since it would be too much to replace and be almost impossible to justify doing now that theres a park and cemetery there
10:08 You don't need to combine Lormier and Hewes street to get an in system transfer to the G. You could get that free transfer by extending Hewes st East to be able to fit 10 car trains and then ad the connection to the G down Montrose street. This would allow for a new entrance and exit to the G Train at Broadway, be less disrupitve, and prevent crowding on stairs at Broadway.
Combining the two stations would actually allow for faster J and M train service, and this is especially since both Hewes and Lorimer have lower ridership levels compared to other stations nearby.
@@TheRailLeaguer 1) Considering express services already skip the station, there will be limited time savings. 2) The area is growing, so there will be increases in ridership at these stations. 3) Extending a station will require less political captial than tearing down 2 and then building a new station. 4) Extending the station will require less resources which is important when consider that there are other higher priority projects that need to happen that will require a high amount of resources.
@@kinglander144 Ridership ag those two stations isn’t really growing at all compared to nearby stations. Also building a new station will not require a lot of resources, since the new Union Avenue station is a rather popular proposal among rail fans and commuters and residents in Williamsburg, especially since both stations will remain open while the new one is built, similar to how Arthur Kill station was built to replace Nassau and Atlantic on the Staten Island Railway.
Maybe The Z train last stop should at BWJ in middle track then extend it to Bay Ridge with the R train. It would remain an express while M & J train locals.
Second Ave subway took 100 years to get 3 stations . This will happen in 2145
You mean 2245, right?
@@larryd2439 dam my fat finger 😐
This video is amazing low key I prefer weekends if I don’t drive or take the lirr to take the j line instead of the QBL wait times are a embarrassment especially on weekends long wait times 15 20 even up to 30 minute wait for E F and R lines unacceptable this will be a game changer and don’t get me started on the QBL nights after 9:30 pm slow local service.
Can you do meadowlands rail line on NJ Transit it’s a pain to use it especially coming out of the stadium long wait times there need room for improvement hate taking that line
I only have 2 more Z train rides to record this summer to
I propose a way to make the (Z) useful. Boot the (Z) off Jamaica and turn it into the designation of the Prospect Park Shuttle.
Did you consider important bus corridors when thinking about station consolidations?
Hello JTA,
Could you make a video talking about the proposed L and K skip stop service and what better alternatives there is for the L line? Thanks.
Idk if the community would love changing Crescent curve, I could see Bama being changed but not Crescent. Crescent is a heavy culture center and hell of a melting pot, people are gonna be really unhappy about change.
I think your consolidation of Norwood/Crescent is a good idea for the speed but I think the Cypress Hills consolidation would be taking a step backwards. Those stations are only a few blocks away from each other and Crescent/Cypress is a heavy residential area. Moving the Crescent station will 100% increase Cypress Hills usage. Moving the Cypress station further AND the Crescent station is going to piss off a lot of people because it’s removing both stations away from Crescent residents.
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It's only the Metro Avenue-bound M which takes that new viaduct, right? The Manhattan-bound/shuttle remains as is.
Ever thought of perhaps having the Z replace the M for metropolitan and only running between broad & met?
4:30 wat if the new track is built above all the buildings so none have to be torn down?
I definitely like this idea with the J line but here’s my take on how we can even get rid of the Cresent St S curve which is not only slow but very noisy. The best way would of course to tear down the el on Fulton St and from there rebuild it along Jamaica Ave which would straighten the J line as well. Stop consolidation would be implemented as well.
The Jamaica Center Problem would need to be addressed as well as by extending the J to 168 St as well as extending the E to Francis Lewis Blvd using the LIRR ROW. This extension of the E would add a new yard built on the Railroad Park which would be converted to a rail yard exclusively for the E. This would allow the E to run 18tph and to accomplish this we would have an implemented F and M swap, so that we can run more E and F Trains, with this this also fixes 8th Ave by having more frequent E Trains on the local tracks to the point where the C Trains moves to the Express tracks, we can also fix CPW that way as well by having the A and C run express as with this plan we won’t have to construct switches and they can continue straight along 8th Ave at better frequencies.
The implementation of chances are as follows
A/C 8th Ave/CPW Express
B/D 6th Ave Express/CPW Local
J: Jamaica Center 168th St to Broad St
This also allows the J to be as good as the L and 7 lines which are the most frequent lines in the system.
@@Reformperson I definitely agreed with this but I would personally extend the J to cambria heights or floral park with the Extended F train on Hillside
@@omarfaruq9233 that could actually work and by doing so here’s what we can do to ensure this works good
First the J would be terminating at 168 St in the short term for a better terminal. The next thing of course would be extending the J to Belmont Park UBS in Elmont.
The next thing is having the E Train going to Rosedale Francis Lewis Blvd to increase its capacity to 18tph.
For the A and C this would allow for deinterlining on 8th Ave and by doing so we can allow the C Trains to go express between 145 St and Canal St like what the A does. The C would be extended to Lefferts Blvd with this plan in the short term and in the future we can have the R join Fulton to have the C run to Lefferts Blvd and from there have the C go to Cambria Heights 229 St while the A remains the same. These changes have the A and C run at 36tph combined. Which is double than what they run at today.
The only changes the B and D have is the local service in CPW with swapped terminals
8th Ave
A: Inwood 207 St to Far Rockaway Mott Ave
C: Norwood 205 St to Cambria Heights 229 St
E: Rosedale Francis Lewis Blvd to World Trade Center
6th Ave
B: Bedford Pk Blvd to Bay Ridge 95 St
D: 168 St to Coney Island (Sea Beach)
@@Reformperson the only problem Is the community opposition to the E train extension as it would have to cross belt pkway making it an el so other than that this is fantastic and also Francis Lewis Boulevard is weird as hell so yeah also where F train Extension?
@@Reformperson also 8th ave Local service runs at 19 trains TPH and with the E running 18 tph its unchanged but you have better exp service
@@Reformperson I would also have the C train branched on concourse to co-OP city via Fordham road and the D which in my world will run on concourse instead of inwood extend that to co-op city along with the 6 train to co-op city making a transit hub at that station the D train will run at 15 tph which is fine enough to serve the northern cross bronx subway and the C will run at 18 tph which is plenty to serve the central cross bronx subway
I do like the idea of a new intermodal Williamsburg Bridge Terminal, if we’re building a new stop at Havermeyer/Roebling. Call it The Williamsburg Bridge Terminal.
Place everything in fare control, and speed up boarding for all of the buses, and make a simpler transfer between all the buses and trains.
I was genuenly baffled whn I first heard of skip stop. It's just such a stupid concept. And add that it express service on double track is perfectly possible. A number of lines in Tokyo (private and metro alike) operate 24 tph or more on double track with various express services.
That does of course require some infrastructure such as in station overtakes but it is perfectly possible.
Quad tracking or separate express lines are of course preferred but if that is not possible there is a way.
I feel like for some of the station consolidations, the new inbetween stations isnt the best decision, compared with just cutting one station and keeping the other. Ex: Alabama Av could just be cut without removing Van Siclen, no questions asked. Liberty Av on the A and Broadway Junction sweep all of the station area. Crescent St could also just be removed while keeping 75th, since Crescent and 75 cover the area.
4:18 Question, what if, instead of straightening the curves, the curves were banked instead? Would that allow the trains to take the curves at higher speeds or would that be too disruptive for passengers/would the necessary banking be too severe to be practical?
The W and the Z are the most useless lines in the history of trains
My thought and my opinion for the B.M.T. Jamaica Line for the (J)/(Z), the MTA, they should extend the (J)/(Z) Train's to Belmont Park Station to connect LIRR Elmont Station. All Jamaica B.M.T. Lines stations should have 10-Cars platforms and 4 Tracks so that the (J)/(Z) have they're own track. The LIRR should no longer end at Belmont Park Station. Instead have the (J)/(Z) end at Belmont Park Station to connect to LIRR Elmont Station for people to work, event in UBS Arena and race track especially for people that lives in Elmont. After Archer Avenue Station, it should be Merrick Boulevard Station. Brooklyn Manor Station should replace Woodhaven Boulevard and 104th Street Station's to transfer to the Queens Link for the 6th Avenue (M) Train would be excellent idea. The (Z) Train should operate on weekends and to be express service except late nights.
@@nycli376 not a bad idea what we can do is make the LIRR a super express on that corridor and from there the J would use those stops up to Belmont Park to serve Islanders Fans as well as Elmont residents. This would be very helpful for people getting to games and events held at UBS Arena.
@@Reformperson especially the racetrack too
@@nycli376 yup and Elmont Residents as well. We would need stop consolidation as well as a portal on the location of the Dunkin and the Car Wash next to it to use that space for a portal to access the LIRR Tracks.
Okay so unless I missed it or not you talked about the J&M line and all these different streets and changes maybe and stuff like that what is the replacement of the Z train? There was no mention of the Z replacement
This entire plan is the replacement to the Z. The main reason the MTA put skip stop was to speed up trips. I am putting a plan that would speed up trips so much that the Z won’t be needed.
@@jointransitassociation So eventually they will just get rid of the Z is that what you're saying
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What they could do is create a new line that Runs 8 Cars from Coney Island, Via the West end. The (H) Recolored to Brown, have it run with the J after running through Montague, all the way to Jamaica.
With station consolidation, hopefully elevator placement is considered (really should be on both ends of the platform to have redunceny as it's impossible to run an elevator 24/7/365 due to maintance.
Everything east of Mytlre Broadway is an all or nothing to make it worth and NYC doesn't have the track record to give riders confidence that it will do everything promised.
During the rush J trains should be express Marcy to Broadway Jct. Z local Marcy to BWJ.
Move the Z to to Second Avenue also bring back the H and also put in on Second Avenue to replace the W. The Second Avenue services will be the T H V and Z.
Just make the J Train local in Manhattan Brooklyn and Queens and make the Z Train express in Manhattan Brooklyn and Queens.
Maybe when Second Avenue Subway phase 4 and beyond is done the letter “Z” should be recycled for one of its services
6:50 Or they can just demolish Myrtle Ave and Flushing Ave, build layup tracks where the Myrtle platforms exist, and reactivate the forgotten Park Ave Station
Lincoln would be an express station and do island platforms Jamaica Center needs four tracks to accommodate the express trains and more j trains can be turned per hour broad St would make do with the city and select locals termination at Chambers St and re-activate the abandoned stations or just the tracks for the zed and the zeds would stop on the middle tracks of chambers st with js terminating on the outer tracks buts it is possible to do the opposite, but the express only operation in one direction 14:51
Skip stop is, and will ALWAYS be a joke!! If you are not taking the Z to the terminals then it’s useless. Especially where I live along this line. For two reasons. 1) Between Chauncey Street and Van Siclen Avenue, it makes every stop. And if you have to get off or on at a J only stop, that’s just more time. And yes, 10 minutes is the wait time. 2) I literally just a few seconds ago ran for a J train at Broadway Junction at this rush hour time and caught it only to realize I can’t get off at my stop.
I like the idea of grade separation at Myrtle Avenue. A Union Avenue station would be great as well.
where are bus connections at the newly consoedated stations.
Let me know when the MTA hits the lottery and can make any of these kinds of changes. I'd rather they spend their money on expansion.
Very good idea because the j trains would have fewer delays and the upper level should be two tracks and only the m train will service it the viaduct can be eliminated and this helps the m itself. 6:56
you should do a video on the c line to lefferts blvd and a line to far rock
I want a train that directly connects east Bronx to east Queens. A Laconia-Main St Line.
this is a great idea
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Well, I can say is it's stupid.They really want to make that kind of a change.It's not worth the money involved and they know it.They just want to show that they're doing something
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Skip stop doesn't make sense, u'd have to turn around to get to a stop that the train didn't make
That's why u take a local
Why not just have a J express train like how the 7 train works
The Williamsburg Bridge is limited to 27 train per hour. Since the tracks are shared by J and M trains, J trains would only be able to run about 10 tph, which is not enough to run peak direction express. So a better alternative for peak direction express is station consolidation so that the entire run time of the line can be decreased.
Hell YEAH LETS GET THE TRASH CAN OF A LINE OFF MY FAVOURITE LINE!
Marcy Avenue be like
Ngl I think the Z should just be exp for the J
To be honest the whole skip stop service is useless
The Jamaica line should have been built with four tracks, so there can be true express service in both directions at all times. It would be a significantly faster alternative to the E and F trains
No
4 Tracks are uneeded
They should just make the J peak direction express during rush hours
Impractical…
I would extend the J to Whitestone
We can do that with the 7 the J is better off being extended to UBS Arena
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The mta should make the z train run 24/7 like the J train so it can help the j train out especially on weekends
Also the Williamsburg bridge is limited to 27 tph @@ianhardy9375