at 4:16 that photo has been proven fake. The real photo is of a B train at the 7 Avenue-53 Street station in Midtown Manhattan. It was photoshopped to say A to 76 St, and there has never been a destination sign on the R10 (the class of train in that photo) that said "76 St Ozone Park".
Whoops, seems I forgot to mention that. Yes I learnt that the photo is edited. It's part of the April Fool's article, but I should've been clearer about that picture not being authentic. Thanks for the thorough debunking of that image! I even used photos of 7th Avenue-53rd Street station for drawing the imagined 76th Street, along with photos of Euclid Av (not that my drawings are anything to write home about).
That subway expansion was planned before those areas of Queens developed. A subway there would've brought with it high density zoning. Back in the 20's and 30's that part of Queens was farmland and marshes. The lack of Subway lines to eastern Queens is the reason why it's so "suburban"
Thanks for the info, I'd read there had been grand plans to expand the subway for the future but that they didn't eventuate due to in part lack of funding and the rise of the motor car. One theory for why 76th Street wasn't built was that the high water table there made underground construction very difficult, so that fits with the area partially being marshes. Interesting how the subway, or lack of it, influenced the development of the area.
No. You're thinking of Pre-1920 Queens. Most of that area developed with the Fulton Ave El in the 20s so when the IND shameless stole the route from Fulton Ave El in the 1930s and 40s, it was already an establish area. This is kind of why the A train was rerouted to run on the former El itself past Euclid. The war, and post-war population boom prevented subway construction through said developed area. It also the same reason why the F train goes outside after Chruch Av. Had the IND has it way it would've been underground to Coney Island replacing the McDonald Ave El. (And yes there a active provision for that proposed extension that the G train uses to turn around.)
@@CaseysTrains Thanks for the clarification, I'm not too familiar with the history of New York. I read that the IND was a bit aggressive in its competition with the IRT and the BMT, rather than just reducing congestion like it was supposed to. NY has such a huge subway network with some fascinating history behind it, I find it a little overwhelming but also very interesting. Where I am I can count the number of underground stations on one hand, although some more are currently being built.
To your point that it would not make sense to build a station a 76th keep a few things I'm mind. Those homes weren't there when it was planned. Had the station been built, real estate companies probably would have built more apartment buildings. Nearby stations like Grant and Euclid are also somewhat suburban looking compared to other stations.
You'll be better informed than me, someone on the other side of the world. Do you have any sources, or any definitive proof? If it was built, the lack of any solid evidence is rather strange.
Yes, but that is where the line was diverted to connect to the old Fulton St Elevated. The pre-war plan had the IND Fulton line continuing along Pitkin Ave, with the next station East from Euclid being at 76th Street.
I believe it was an April Fools joke. The Brennan article is listed as written on April 1st 2002, is that it does not appear listed in his Abandoned Stations list until April 2012. This according to the Wayback Internet Archives database. So either he forgot to add it to his list or most likely added it as a April Fools joke in 2012 to make it look like it was added in 2002.
Interesting, if that was the case than the NY Times article and some forum discussions would've predated the Brennan article. However the Wayback Archive has a capture of the article from Dec 2002 so the date is probably correct and it was only added to the list in 2012, seemingly around April Fools, maybe as a revival of the joke. I have just done a little more looking into NYCSubway(dot)org, being the forum mentioned in the NY Times article, and found a transcription of a letter by Mr. Krokowski outlining his claims. Part of this forum discussion is probably what is quoted in that article but I can't figure out how to properly navigate that site. I also found a post on the same site from the 2nd of August 2001 about 76th Street, predating Brennan's article. So the legend definitely didn't originate from his article. I will link both posts in another comment in case you're interested, hopefully UA-cam doesn't block them.
Mr. Krokowski's letter: talk.nycsubway.org//perl/read?subtalk=432067 Some posts I found predating Brennan's article: talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?subtalk=246311 talk.nycsubway.org//perl/read?subtalk=246342
I'm the one who used 76th as a joke on April Fools. But the joke was that the FBI stumbled upon it during a mafia grave excavation. There really have been mafia excavations between Euclid and 76th so I figured it would make a good joke.
@@keithbarbaro7590 Interesting, I didn't know that. If it had happened, finding 76th Street would be a pleasant surprise when conducting such a sombre task!
You clearly wasn't listening, watching or paying attention to the video.... He acknologed TWICE in the videothat it was April's Fools joke even admitting to almost falling for it. Next time wait until the video is finished to comment.
It doesn’t exist at all, there’s nothing beyond the cinderblock wall and the yard leads led to nowhere. It was proposed as part of an IND expansion project but it was easier to connect the A to the Rockaways via the old Fulton El. The whole thing about 76 St ever existing is an April fools gag. If it ever did exist there would’ve been official documents by the City of New York about its construction.
Yes, if anything had been built there would be documentation. A station can't be built without a lot of paperwork, and with the interest in this urban legend someone would have found some of it by now if there was any. It's funny how one April Fool's joke has perpetuated such a stubborn rumor. Although I don't think I found any sources predating Brennan's article, I suspect the myth of 76th Street Station existing has been around longer than that article.
@@eobardthawne324 I think that the signal lights, along with the Euclid Ave model board and the maps showing the station, where what fueled the rumor about 76th Street. I have not found anything documenting the rumor from before Brennan's April Fool's article, although the description of Steve Krokowski in the NY Times article about 76th Street suggests he had been invested in the legend for a while. Unless it was discussed in railway magazines that didn't come up in my internet searches, the rumor would all have been though word of mouth, so I have no evidence to prove that's how it occurred.
These should be the new stations on the IND Fulton Street Line extension to South Hempstead-Long Beach Road via Pitkin Avenue, Linden Boulevard, & Southern State Parkway: Ⓜ️ 76th Street (local) Ⓜ️ 84th Street (local) Ⓜ️ Cross Bay Boulevard (express) Ⓜ️ Hawtree Street (local) Ⓜ️ Aqueduct Road (local) Ⓜ️ Rockaway Boulevard (local) Ⓜ️ Lefferts Boulevard (local) Ⓜ️ 126th Street (local) Ⓜ️ Van Wyck Boulevard (express) Ⓜ️ 144th Street (local) Ⓜ️ Sutphin Boulevard (local) Ⓜ️ Brewer Boulevard (local) Ⓜ️ Merrick Boulevard (express) Ⓜ️ 178th Street (local) Ⓜ️ Farmers Boulevard (local) Ⓜ️ 200th Street (local) Ⓜ️ Nashville Boulevard (local) Ⓜ️ 221st Street (local) Ⓜ️ 229th Street (express) Ⓜ️ 238th Street (express only) Ⓜ️ Kingston Street (express only) Ⓜ️ Valley Stream State Park (express only) Ⓜ️ North Corona Avenue (express only) Ⓜ️ Willow Road (express only) Ⓜ️ Cornwell-Dogwood Avenues Ⓜ️ Glenwood Road (express only) Ⓜ️ Woodfield Road (express only) Ⓜ️ Hempstead Lake State Park (express only) Ⓜ️ Peninsula Boulevard (express only) Ⓜ️ Flower Street-Mercy Hospital (express only) Ⓜ️ South Hempstead-Long Beach Road (express only)
I already did turn the mic volume up, but I will see what I can do in future to make it louder. I wanted to avoid having too much hiss and background noise. I guess an old reel to reel mic isn't exactly designed to work with a modern computer, I do have one or two other mics I'll test that may perform a bit better.
If the line & station existed, it wouldn’t have been in the middle of suburbia. It would be in the middle of nowhere. NYC alway built subways on the “If you build it they will come” theory. They were right. The homes you show are post war, following that theory. I know Steve K. He believes his exploration story and would love to get in there to show us it’s there.
That makes sense, I know the Metropolitan Railway did the same thing in London with their Metro-land, although they owned the land and developed it via an "independent" company. If that cinderblock wall and infill could be dug through this mystery would be solved, unfortunately I don't think the relevant authorities would give permission for such an undertaking.
On fot eh best examples of tht was the 9th Avenue line in Manhattan, the upper part went into empty areas that were later developed. At the curve at 110th and 9th ave, apartment building was built with part of cut off because of the existing elevated line. Today the building is still there but the elevated is gone so people pasting by who don't don't the history would wonder why the building was built that way.
@@israelrodriguez2167 I looked that up on street view, it does look odd and without that context it would be perplexing. I find that sort of thing fascinating, where the mark of a former structure remains on the surrounding buildings. I know there's a former department store in London where the facade has a gap because one building owner didn't want to sell up when it was built. I've spotted silhouettes on boundary walls, jagged brickwork, and protruding fireplaces.
I turned up the audio volume as much as I could on my computer without causing too much background noise. Next time I'll see if there's any other settings I can adjust, and try with a different microphone I've gotten.
at 4:16 that photo has been proven fake. The real photo is of a B train at the 7 Avenue-53 Street station in Midtown Manhattan. It was photoshopped to say A to 76 St, and there has never been a destination sign on the R10 (the class of train in that photo) that said "76 St Ozone Park".
Whoops, seems I forgot to mention that. Yes I learnt that the photo is edited. It's part of the April Fool's article, but I should've been clearer about that picture not being authentic. Thanks for the thorough debunking of that image! I even used photos of 7th Avenue-53rd Street station for drawing the imagined 76th Street, along with photos of Euclid Av (not that my drawings are anything to write home about).
That subway expansion was planned before those areas of Queens developed. A subway there would've brought with it high density zoning. Back in the 20's and 30's that part of Queens was farmland and marshes. The lack of Subway lines to eastern Queens is the reason why it's so "suburban"
Thanks for the info, I'd read there had been grand plans to expand the subway for the future but that they didn't eventuate due to in part lack of funding and the rise of the motor car. One theory for why 76th Street wasn't built was that the high water table there made underground construction very difficult, so that fits with the area partially being marshes. Interesting how the subway, or lack of it, influenced the development of the area.
No. You're thinking of Pre-1920 Queens. Most of that area developed with the Fulton Ave El in the 20s so when the IND shameless stole the route from Fulton Ave El in the 1930s and 40s, it was already an establish area. This is kind of why the A train was rerouted to run on the former El itself past Euclid. The war, and post-war population boom prevented subway construction through said developed area. It also the same reason why the F train goes outside after Chruch Av. Had the IND has it way it would've been underground to Coney Island replacing the McDonald Ave El. (And yes there a active provision for that proposed extension that the G train uses to turn around.)
@@CaseysTrains Thanks for the clarification, I'm not too familiar with the history of New York. I read that the IND was a bit aggressive in its competition with the IRT and the BMT, rather than just reducing congestion like it was supposed to.
NY has such a huge subway network with some fascinating history behind it, I find it a little overwhelming but also very interesting. Where I am I can count the number of underground stations on one hand, although some more are currently being built.
To your point that it would not make sense to build a station a 76th keep a few things I'm mind.
Those homes weren't there when it was planned. Had the station been built, real estate companies probably would have built more apartment buildings.
Nearby stations like Grant and Euclid are also somewhat suburban looking compared to other stations.
Thanks for your input, yes if the station had been built construction might have been denser.
As a retired mta train engineer, I can confirm that 76th street was built.
You'll be better informed than me, someone on the other side of the world. Do you have any sources, or any definitive proof? If it was built, the lack of any solid evidence is rather strange.
I worked on 76st station. It is blocked off by a wall. There used to be a wall
I'm taking the MTA train operator battery exam in May. What can you tell me about the exam? Also, what yard were you stationed at?
Can you tell me more? I’m fascinated by the whole story.
You sure ?
Grant Ave station is after Euclid Ave.
Yes, but that is where the line was diverted to connect to the old Fulton St Elevated. The pre-war plan had the IND Fulton line continuing along Pitkin Ave, with the next station East from Euclid being at 76th Street.
Nice job on the video. And nice job narrating.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. I've only done a few videos like this so happy to hear my narrating's okay!
I believe it was an April Fools joke. The Brennan article is listed as written on April 1st 2002, is that it does not appear listed in his Abandoned Stations list until April 2012. This according to the Wayback Internet Archives database. So either he forgot to add it to his list or most likely added it as a April Fools joke in 2012 to make it look like it was added in 2002.
Interesting, if that was the case than the NY Times article and some forum discussions would've predated the Brennan article. However the Wayback Archive has a capture of the article from Dec 2002 so the date is probably correct and it was only added to the list in 2012, seemingly around April Fools, maybe as a revival of the joke.
I have just done a little more looking into NYCSubway(dot)org, being the forum mentioned in the NY Times article, and found a transcription of a letter by Mr. Krokowski outlining his claims. Part of this forum discussion is probably what is quoted in that article but I can't figure out how to properly navigate that site.
I also found a post on the same site from the 2nd of August 2001 about 76th Street, predating Brennan's article. So the legend definitely didn't originate from his article. I will link both posts in another comment in case you're interested, hopefully UA-cam doesn't block them.
Mr. Krokowski's letter: talk.nycsubway.org//perl/read?subtalk=432067
Some posts I found predating Brennan's article:
talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?subtalk=246311 talk.nycsubway.org//perl/read?subtalk=246342
I'm the one who used 76th as a joke on April Fools. But the joke was that the FBI stumbled upon it during a mafia grave excavation. There really have been mafia excavations between Euclid and 76th so I figured it would make a good joke.
@@keithbarbaro7590 Interesting, I didn't know that. If it had happened, finding 76th Street would be a pleasant surprise when conducting such a sombre task!
It's a april fool gag on a transit website, Joseph Brennan, look at the date of the article he posted.
Yep, I did check the date. When I saw that, along with the outlandish claims, I realised that article was an April fool's joke.
You clearly wasn't listening, watching or paying attention to the video.... He acknologed TWICE in the videothat it was April's Fools joke even admitting to almost falling for it. Next time wait until the video is finished to comment.
It doesn’t exist at all, there’s nothing beyond the cinderblock wall and the yard leads led to nowhere. It was proposed as part of an IND expansion project but it was easier to connect the A to the Rockaways via the old Fulton El. The whole thing about 76 St ever existing is an April fools gag. If it ever did exist there would’ve been official documents by the City of New York about its construction.
Yes, if anything had been built there would be documentation. A station can't be built without a lot of paperwork, and with the interest in this urban legend someone would have found some of it by now if there was any. It's funny how one April Fool's joke has perpetuated such a stubborn rumor. Although I don't think I found any sources predating Brennan's article, I suspect the myth of 76th Street Station existing has been around longer than that article.
@@toomanyinterestsWhat do you think caused the rumor to come about? Do you think it was because of the signal lights and bumpers?
@@eobardthawne324 I think that the signal lights, along with the Euclid Ave model board and the maps showing the station, where what fueled the rumor about 76th Street. I have not found anything documenting the rumor from before Brennan's April Fool's article, although the description of Steve Krokowski in the NY Times article about 76th Street suggests he had been invested in the legend for a while. Unless it was discussed in railway magazines that didn't come up in my internet searches, the rumor would all have been though word of mouth, so I have no evidence to prove that's how it occurred.
@toomanyinterests Maybe someone one day will get the tools neccessary to dig behind the wall in either direction.
@@eobardthawne324 That would certainly end the debate once and for all!
These should be the new stations on the IND Fulton Street Line extension to South Hempstead-Long Beach Road via Pitkin Avenue, Linden Boulevard, & Southern State Parkway:
Ⓜ️ 76th Street (local)
Ⓜ️ 84th Street (local)
Ⓜ️ Cross Bay Boulevard (express)
Ⓜ️ Hawtree Street (local)
Ⓜ️ Aqueduct Road (local)
Ⓜ️ Rockaway Boulevard (local)
Ⓜ️ Lefferts Boulevard (local)
Ⓜ️ 126th Street (local)
Ⓜ️ Van Wyck Boulevard (express)
Ⓜ️ 144th Street (local)
Ⓜ️ Sutphin Boulevard (local)
Ⓜ️ Brewer Boulevard (local)
Ⓜ️ Merrick Boulevard (express)
Ⓜ️ 178th Street (local)
Ⓜ️ Farmers Boulevard (local)
Ⓜ️ 200th Street (local)
Ⓜ️ Nashville Boulevard (local)
Ⓜ️ 221st Street (local)
Ⓜ️ 229th Street (express)
Ⓜ️ 238th Street (express only)
Ⓜ️ Kingston Street (express only)
Ⓜ️ Valley Stream State Park (express only)
Ⓜ️ North Corona Avenue (express only)
Ⓜ️ Willow Road (express only)
Ⓜ️ Cornwell-Dogwood Avenues
Ⓜ️ Glenwood Road (express only)
Ⓜ️ Woodfield Road (express only)
Ⓜ️ Hempstead Lake State Park (express only)
Ⓜ️ Peninsula Boulevard (express only)
Ⓜ️ Flower Street-Mercy Hospital (express only)
Ⓜ️ South Hempstead-Long Beach Road (express only)
😂😂😂
I like it but would Nassau go for it? It could be a beautiful thing if so.
I think there are some youtubers that definitely have too much time on their hands.
I wish I did!
can you turn up your mic volume pls? vid was too quiet.
I already did turn the mic volume up, but I will see what I can do in future to make it louder. I wanted to avoid having too much hiss and background noise. I guess an old reel to reel mic isn't exactly designed to work with a modern computer, I do have one or two other mics I'll test that may perform a bit better.
Turn up the volume on the device you’re using to watch the video.
@@Blackdiamondprod. i did, to 100, and it was managable but i had to be very close to my laptop
@@jaydottt_transitfanner get your hearing checked.
If the line & station existed, it wouldn’t have been in the middle of suburbia. It would be in the middle of nowhere. NYC alway built subways on the “If you build it they will come” theory. They were right. The homes you show are post war, following that theory.
I know Steve K. He believes his exploration story and would love to get in there to show us it’s there.
That makes sense, I know the Metropolitan Railway did the same thing in London with their Metro-land, although they owned the land and developed it via an "independent" company.
If that cinderblock wall and infill could be dug through this mystery would be solved, unfortunately I don't think the relevant authorities would give permission for such an undertaking.
On fot eh best examples of tht was the 9th Avenue line in Manhattan, the upper part went into empty areas that were later developed. At the curve at 110th and 9th ave, apartment building was built with part of cut off because of the existing elevated line. Today the building is still there but the elevated is gone so people pasting by who don't don't the history would wonder why the building was built that way.
@@israelrodriguez2167 I looked that up on street view, it does look odd and without that context it would be perplexing. I find that sort of thing fascinating, where the mark of a former structure remains on the surrounding buildings. I know there's a former department store in London where the facade has a gap because one building owner didn't want to sell up when it was built. I've spotted silhouettes on boundary walls, jagged brickwork, and protruding fireplaces.
this would have been great if you could hear the audio , why do you people on youtube put up videos with on volume.
I turned up the audio volume as much as I could on my computer without causing too much background noise. Next time I'll see if there's any other settings I can adjust, and try with a different microphone I've gotten.