I work at the 1st electronic company in Taiwan, Taiwan Electronic Corporation TEC, later on General Instrument of Taiwan, Semiconductor Division Quality Control Department,. I bought some English book and study myself and set up the QC department. I was not a college graduate but I had experience in electronic and mechanic. Ha Ha I had a great time with my associate, later on i was promoted to the chief of the QC department. I am now in USA but I miss Taiwan .
Love this video will use it in class. What stands out in my mind is how government, universities and industry must work together for a new sector to emerge. Colocation with universities and using networks and returnees were also keys to success. Other countries who want to create or stimulate new sectors should keep these lessons in mind.
ROC's success in IC industry owes much to the selfless Chinese engineers and their political leadership led by the humble ROC President Chiang Ching Kuo. Morris Chang of TSMC was only one of the pioneers.
Great video as usual Jon. The 1994 map of manufactures has so many names I remember. For me, the impact I've seen the most us the motherboard integrators, Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI etc but they too are dependent on the amazing ecosystem that is Taiwanese electronics. It would be interesting to see a 2020s version of that map!
Recently, the Academia Sinica in Taiwan announced the development of a quantum computer. The quantum computer uses a silicon quantum chip designed and manufactured by the Academy, paired with a system of peripheral superconducting devices. This combination of quantum silicon chips and peripheral superconducting devices, combined with the ever-improving power of traditional 0-and-1 computing chips, can be quickly commercialized. Quantum computing is a continuous process that cannot store results. It must be paired with existing computers to classify and store results, build new instructions for AI, and feed them back to the quantum computing system for repeated calculations and implementation. China's so-called self-developed quantum computer is a further development of the German glass-based photonic computer technology of 20 years ago. Glass-based photonic computers use light instead of electrons, but the main body is a large and complex glass plate that cannot be miniaturized. It can only be operated in large laboratory spaces. The Academia Sinica in Taiwan and Intel in the United States are both developing quantum silicon chips and special packaging technologies to create the main system, paired with peripheral superconducting devices, to perform quantum three-state calculations and computations at absolute zero. TSMC will undoubtedly continue to lead the world in the supply of quantum computer chips in the future. China's glass-based photonic computer system uses only two light source instructions, bright and dark, for binary calculations. It is clear that China is already far behind in the global quantum computing technology competition by taking the wrong path. China is ruled by autocratic and authoritarian politics, not by democratic and open science. The leader of an authoritarian regime can arbitrarily order scientists to produce results within a limited period of time, while a democratic and free regime can make choices from among the achievable goals discussed by many people, benefiting the development of technology, people's livelihood, and practical industries.
Such an amazing story. This a brilliant example of how to do technology transfer and bootstrap a sustainable industry. So many key ingredients, and right special sauce of enthusiastic people that have longer term visions and persistence to see it through. Such a well done presentation, picking up on and sharing nuances and contextual details.
I enjoyed this video. I spent a lot of time in 新竹市 in the 1990s and 2000s. I did project work at TSMC, UMC, AMT, Macronix and several other semiconductor companies. I rode my scooter all over the area.
At that time... Taiwan wanted two other industries... 1. Aerospace (IDF and the failed acquisition of the struggling MD commercial side, which later together with the military side went on to buy Boeing with Boeing's money), 2. software development (the Taiwanese SEED project). Would love to see your takes on these two topics.
i always found it sort of surprising that i'm able to have a, decently paid, job doing something that somebody in another part of the world could likely do for less, with more formal educational credentials than i possess (0). especially considering the core reason i was able to end up in this industry is that i was able to learn on my own initiative, for free, regardless of any geographical and other disadvantages. but when reflecting i realized, many of my irc friends were from eastern europe, russia. the same dynamic applied to them. there's a reason russian hackers are represented differently from dutch hackers. there's a reason russia, probably especially now considering the sanctions, had a thriving piracy scene as well, with some real innovation coming out of there producing products comparable to those produced by oficially charted commercial opeartions in the united states. i wonder if the, sometimes very excessive rigidity, of east asian cultures has been directly counter productive here? it's unlikely somebody like myself would be considered for a position at a top $x company in taiwan or south korea, especially if i was taiwanese or south korean. clearly there's some pretty smart people in north korea as well, considering all the cryptocurrency they have liberated :)
Software jobs in Taiwan generally pay only a fraction of any jobs related to semiconductors. It's just not a thing here. (Source: am working at a medical AI company that like many others would not exist without government subsidies )
@@gabedarrett1301 Well, I ain’t gonna get sued over this. I live in the land of the free …… to be sued. You should go google it, if you really want the sordid details. I simply heard it from a friend of mine who works at Boeing.
I think Taiwan could do software well, but in order to work with the mainstream of the software industry, they would need to develop an English language skills base. Teaching languages is a famous weakness of governments and institutes.
16:37 When I graduate from NCTU 2020 some of the biggest trees are already cut down due to "disease" issue. Kinda sad to see it becoming more barren since then
Recently, the Academia Sinica in Taiwan announced the development of a quantum computer. The quantum computer uses a silicon quantum chip designed and manufactured by the Academy, paired with a system of peripheral superconducting devices. This combination of quantum silicon chips and peripheral superconducting devices, combined with the ever-improving power of traditional 0-and-1 computing chips, can be quickly commercialized. Quantum computing is a continuous process that cannot store results. It must be paired with existing computers to classify and store results, build new instructions for AI, and feed them back to the quantum computing system for repeated calculations and implementation. China's so-called self-developed quantum computer is a further development of the German glass-based photonic computer technology of 20 years ago. Glass-based photonic computers use light instead of electrons, but the main body is a large and complex glass plate that cannot be miniaturized. It can only be operated in large laboratory spaces. The Academia Sinica in Taiwan and Intel in the United States are both developing quantum silicon chips and special packaging technologies to create the main system, paired with peripheral superconducting devices, to perform quantum three-state calculations and computations at absolute zero. TSMC will undoubtedly continue to lead the world in the supply of quantum computer chips in the future. China's glass-based photonic computer system uses only two light source instructions, bright and dark, for binary calculations. It is clear that China is already far behind in the global quantum computing technology competition by taking the wrong path. China is ruled by autocratic and authoritarian politics, not by democratic and open science. The leader of an authoritarian regime can arbitrarily order scientists to produce results within a limited period of time, while a democratic and free regime can make choices from among the achievable goals discussed by many people, benefiting the development of technology, people's livelihood, and practical industries.
One of my best pal works in Taiwanese semiconductor industry and he visited/collaborate with Isreali company. He found a lot of similarities between Taiwan and Israel. I think it will be a great idea to make a video on comparing Taiwan and Israel. FYI, ROC and Isreal were ally during the Cold War and we transferred their military technology back. It is also an interesting story as well. Taiwan not only acquire advanced technology from the US but other friendly countries as well.
Thank you for sharing this story, which is pretty much the story of why and how I am able to be fortunate enough to have the education and career that I have had. I came from Taiwan to the US at age 12 in 1979. I have spent my entire formative and adult years pretty much in Silicon Valley and Taiwan. I majored in semiconductors from BS to Ph.D. and have gone on to a software career that’s 29 years and counting. I was inspired to be a (software and now cloud) engineer b/c of my uncles who all got their Ph.D.’s and worked in semiconductor and computer industries in Silicon Valley and Taiwan. The innovative and open spirit of both places truly feed off of each other.
Unbelievably, a company outside the US could become #1 in semiconductor manufacturing while US companies that started the semiconductor business are slowly declining.
When you mentioned Philips i remembered your and others articles on ASML, derived from Philips and Taiwan. The only high tech derivative of Philips left! Edit for grammar.
Great work Jon! Some additional info: 那時他們派出來的是與 RCA 的事業體 RCA Solid State Division (總部在 Somerville, New Jersey) 對接、去的主要地點是 Findlay, Ohio 以及 Plam Beach Gardens, Florida 兩地的工廠。 P.S. 此事業體與 RCA 的中央實驗室 David Sarnoff Research Center (位於 Princeton Junction, New Jersey) 是平行單位、彼此不相隸屬。 RCA SSD HQ buildings probably no longer existed. Current main site has a supermarket, furniture store, an investment firm's branch office, and Thermo Fisher Scientific mfg site. BTW, the HQ building picture in the video is RCA-Victor building nicknamed Nipper Building, located in Camden, NJ. (Nipper is the name of the dog sitting beside the old Victor phonograph.)
*To be pedantic* the Albertsons has relocated to a newer building set further back on its parcel, consolidating customer parking to the Firwood Road frontage. Am I wrong, or was that area still unincorporated Multnomah County in June 1973, not yet annexed to Lake Oswego?
This is some pretty specific reminiscing. Is there some logical reason why three people from the Lake Oswego area would've found their way to this channel? (This could for example be robust education or job opportunities in electronics in the area, leading to this path of interest.) Or is it just chance and a game of numbers?
@@GameboygeniusThe names on the street signs probably wouldn't have registered with me if I didn't live in the rough area. There's a reason the nearby Beaverton-Hillsboro area is called Silicon Forest.
China imports nearly $200 billion worth of high-value chips, electronic components, and precision mechanical parts from Taiwan every year. China uses Taiwan's high-quality and precision products to assemble products with low-cost labor and then exports them to the world. China only earns a small profit from the assembly labor. Because Taiwan provides China with high-quality and precision upstream components for assembly, you are confident in buying products assembled in China. After the U.S.-China trade war and technology war began, many assembly factories were forced to move to Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, India, and Mexico. Taiwan's industries have shifted their exports of upstream high-quality and precision components to these countries for assembly. As a result, you have also started to feel confident in buying products assembled in these countries. You buy a high-quality iPhone because you trust Apple's design and Taiwanese-made processors and electronic components, not because it is assembled in China. Now that iPhones using Taiwanese-made processors and electronic components are being produced in India and exported to the world, you are starting to trust iPhones assembled in India.
@@雅君墨客-i9z Where is the proof of your claim China OEM/ODM helped Apple design iphone ? Foxconn / Honhai are the main designer of Apple iphone, although they employ a number of Chinese engineers in their China office.
Fascinating....so much history of how we got here today.... reminds me that the smartphones and other miraculous electronics that we take for granted didn't just grow on trees...
Excellent video. What was missed out is an important historical fact that will happen again and again in the future, so long as there is a glass ceiling for immigrants. In the 1970s, these talented young Chinese PhDs working for IBM, Bell Lab, etc saw that within their companies, less technically competent whites were promoted to leadership positions while they were held back bcz of the perception that their linguistic fluency and "strict" disciplined cultural background would not make them successful executives. Japanese manufacturing executives were having a hard time with American factory workers over the issue of discipline and worker enthusiasm. The second important factor for Taiwan is that the government had actively met with graduating and doctoral programs over dinners on Chinese holidays in the U.S. campuses, polling them on "What it would take for them to return to Taiwan?" Many of the graduating students already knew from those schoolmates who worked at major U.S. corporations that there is a glass ceiling. The top leadership is always white. A Chinese would always be suspected or can be misbranded quickly as a communist. But the wives of these Chinese graduates expresses a desire to stay in America bcz they have more freedom. If they return home, they have to live with their husband's parents. A dreaded thought. Taiwan government and corporations responded by offering FREE housing (some with maid service). That worked. I was contacted by one of these big advanced corporations to be a consultant for retention of Chinese PhD workers. I turned it down bcz I did not have the nerve to say what they could never consider. Break the glass ceiling! I was in many of those FREE dinners.
Chips are the fathers of technology and the mothers of products. Taiwan produces over 80 billion chips every year, which is more than the global population of 7.753 billion. On average, each person on Earth uses at least one Taiwanese chip every year. Over the years, every household on Earth has used dozens of Taiwanese-made chips. Taiwan's chip production accounts for nearly 70% of the global market, and TSMC accounts for more than 92% of the global share of advanced chips below 10 nanometers.
The early talents from China participated in the US electronic industry since the early state. These scientists and engineers were the comes of Taiwan today electronic industry.
I've only listened to the intro at this point, but I just want to favourably call out this creator's attitude towards going back and rewatching their old content and challenging their old assumptions. Clearly not just some shallow Algorithm-Chasing exercise right here, this behaviour is testament to a healthy respect for Best Practice and a desire to always keep improving. Entirely admirable, thanks for the excellent analyses mate. 👍
Thank you Jon. It is interesting, from the perspective of 2024, to hear late '70s, high ranking Taiwanese were thinking about placing some plans on the back-burner, until they could re-take the Mainland. In the light of the Mainland's expansionist ambitions today, that makes interesting study. It's also a timely reminder of who and what the ruling class and elite in Taiwan, are. That isn't criticism (let alone racism) that's just a reminder, it pays to remember who and what these groups are. May you live in interesting times. Can I make the observation, the reminder, that Jensen Huang and Lisa Su, are family?
I thought I had known our semiconductor history far more enough, but you had studied far more than me. You must be a person whom is so related with this industry, perhaps you worked inside Hsinchu Science park before.🤔 I often worked inside TSMC but was an employee of another American company called Applied materials of Hsinchu in 2002. I live in Hsinchu for long time. I’ve seen more photos from your video this time. I seemed remembering the left one of that old 8 people photo was Robert, Shin Cheng, Tsao!🤔 ITRI is and was a cooperative group of our company, potentially. There’re many sectors on this science and technology field, semiconductor is of course far more advanced than other countries like China. But there’re more stories inside of it. However, the regulation on China is more stricter than Taiwan on environmental sector now. Anyway, thank you for your deeper introduction.
Your video is fascinating, and very well documented. We can feel that you did a lot of research to prepare this video. I also appreciate that you pronounce Chinese names correctly. Do you have a page where we you provide in a text format all the links that you show in this video?
When did Taiwan become an independent state? Which countries in the world recognize and establish diplomatic relations with Taiwan? And the recognition of international organizations such as the United Nations World Trade Organization? Hey, why don't you take a look at the Cairo Declaration, the Postan Proclamation, the UN Charter?😂
@@雅君墨客-i9zyes Taiwan is a province of China...with its own flag own army own air force own Navy own president own constitution own political system. How nice of China to be considerate to it's provinces. Maybe Xinjiang and Tibet provinces should also get their own flag own army own president own political system 😂😂😂
It succeeded because the majority of stock holders are American companies too. Hence, the American market is open for Taiwanese products. It's the same scenario when the US government supported Japan and South Korea. There is politics behind that to protect Taiwan (including Japan and S Korea) against communism. US feared that if they will not support these countries' economies, they might be attracted to join communism.
You must be misinformed. US destroyed Taiwan economy in 2001 when US give China Permanent Most Favored Nation status which allowed China to export to US tariff free, which Taiwan does not have such privilege. As a results many Taiwan companies are forced to set up high tech factories in China starting from 2002. Quanta, Pegatron, Foxconn, Asus, Wistron, etc. are the biggest high tech OEM/ODM in China. Only with TSMC success in their DUV lithography process from 2009/2012 that Taiwan economy was able to be improved.
HELLO this are excellent in-depth videos that I just found and am very impressed ! Well done! I would love you to do a video on China's progress on digital memory. i.e DRAM & NAND. I know CXMT is the leader in DRAM, but there is v little info on how it's faring under export controls, as DRAM needs DUV and EUV lithography also. Can you do a video, or if not pls post links to this message where I can track CXMT's progress. thank you !
Location Location Location(proximity to 2 Technical Universities)+ A Leninist state that can discipline labor and capital + access to latest western industrial technology and western trained Engineers/Scientists(like Jon said) + brilliant/pragmatic leadership + ERSO(nothing would have happened without ERSO) + ITRI + Hsinchu Science Park(proximity to ports HELP)
Very informative video...feel happy for Taiwan..but feel sad for my country India..wish we had a more visionary leadership at the time and wish we had aligned with the west rather than the socialist blocs.. Anyways hoping that someday India too becomes a chip manufacturing hub..
If India treats semiconductor technology as a national must have do or die mission like we did for atomic bomb then we can do it (ik semiconductors are way way more difficult than atomic bombs but I feel if we treat semiconductors as a must have technology then we can achieve it)
Well young people running industry used to be a thing, but hey everyone now and or for the past oh, 25 30 years wants to keep everyone a kid. Then they wonder why young folks are pissed off and aren't going to contribute! No motivation, why bother?
Which is natural as time progresses. I do recognize a few ones that I still see around today when shopping for components. ISSI, Macronix, Holtek, Winbond. Making bread and butter stuff is apparently still profitable. And in the bottom of the image, some unknown little company, TSMC, which I think are still in operation. (/s)
Taiwan as a very successful "Startup Nation". Fighting for political legitimacy even as it establishes great innovations in an open, democratic society. It borrowed heavily from its internation network of overseas diaspora and built a new base starting from very humble beginnings. It reminds me of a certain small nation in the middle east. In such ways, I believe that Taiwan and Israel share many commonalities.
It's considered a darling of the economy of Taiwan & global economies because of the vast integration of chips or integrated circuits made by Taiwanese companies. This is why the CCP wants to integrate or take over Taiwan to make it part of the PRC, it's all about that money, power, and global control, like they did with rare Earth metals. This is why there are global power issues related to Taiwan maintaining its independence and autonomy as a nation.
wonder if Taiwan's Industrialization pioneer Sun has some relation with the mining&petro pioneer Sun left in Mainland China. Both have kids that made some bad news later.
i dont beleive sll this smart hardwork brought semiconducto rndustry to Taiwan. Taiwan has semiconductor industry because US wants that way. Dutch have ASML because US wants that way. US basically switched Taiwan to have it and took away from Japan.
Taiwan went through a long journey to become today king of semiconductor. 1978 Taiwan government deal with lot of foreigner computer books law suits since the U.S. kicked Taiwan out of UN. They were not part of the allies which must followed the copyright law. They translated all new computer text books for people who couldn't understood and afforded them. All college had computer science students who became the manpower of future computer companies. Government assigned 新竹 for Silicon Valley. America did two stupid things to help them to grow. 80s IBM too popular so they made a production line in Taiwan for cheap labor. Immediately the IBM compatible computers everywhere. Second things the United States forced AT&T spin lost the AT&T bell lap . Thousands PhD left and went back to HongKong and Taiwan. These group of engineers were designed and invented chips. America lost them for ever. Very sad 90s the CCP Chinese sent spies to steal technology from US. That was any other things. They are not like 80s were the contributors but America got rid of them. America wants the industry back had to started from kindergarten improve math subject. Memorize the multiple table before second grade.
What y'all think is gonna happen with requirement of chip being produced in more friendly countries in the west do you think that talent is gonna stay are leave Taiwan?
S Korea only switched recognition after the wall fell, after just about everyone else, and the the prez gave the ROC embassy compound to the PRC - ROC was pissed
Before watching: cheap labor and foreign investment.
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You want labour that has cheap productivity. To give an example: suppose a German factory worker makes 50 Euro an hour. And an Egyptian factory worker makes 5 Euro. If you can get the German for 30 Euro an hour, that's still 'cheaper' than getting the Egyptian for 10 Euro; because of the productivity difference.
@I love it when people use racism to justify their logic. "Germany has better facilities." Yes but that has nothing to do with Germany; that's because Egypt is poor and doesn't have the workers' rights Germany does.
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@@WaterZer0 Huh? Workers' rights might be a good idea for workers, but they don't make them more productive. To your core concern: forget about the example, I gave, if that makes you uncomfortable. Replace with East German worker (in East Germany) vs West German worker (in West Germany) in eg the 1980s. Or North Korean compared to South Korean workers today. Or, compare an average Mexican worker in Mexico with a Mexican worker who won a US green card lottery. In any case, I'm afraid you get much of the causality backwards: Egypt is poor because it has low worker productivity within her borders. (I say 'much of' not 'all of', because of "Baumol's cost disease". See Wikipedia for details. But that effect is mostly why I explicitly referred to factory workers.)
@ "Workers' rights might be a good idea for workers, but they don't make them more productive." Better conditions and shorter hours improve productivity in literally every field. "Replace with East German worker (in East Germany) vs West Ger-" Oh you're just stupid and racist. The classic combo.
After the 1949 revolution in China the pre-revolutionary government held on to Taiwan, and has ambitions to re-take the rest of China. The post-revolutionary government of the mainland has ambitions to extend the revolution to Taiwan. Both consider Taiwan to be part of China, and each considers itself to be the legitimate government of the whole of China. This is why it is not possible for foreign countries to have diplomatic relations with both mainland China and Taiwan.
Russia Pootin could not compete with Taiwan in semi conductor technology, in fact Russia Pootin lag far behind Taiwan. Russia Pootin only excels at bigmouth technology 😂
Ahhh because the wealthiest nation on the planet 🇺🇸 as with everyone else outsourced semiconductor production to Taiwan, is exactly why….This whole video in one comment
I work at the 1st electronic company in Taiwan, Taiwan Electronic Corporation TEC, later on General Instrument of Taiwan, Semiconductor Division Quality Control Department,. I bought some English book and study myself and set up the QC department. I was not a college graduate but I had experience in electronic and mechanic. Ha Ha I had a great time with my associate, later on i was promoted to the chief of the QC department. I am now in USA but I miss Taiwan .
ok so can you explain why tsmc is such a king in its industry? why for 30 years can no other company come even close to matching them?
Growing up in New Zealand I remember the switch from "made in Japan" to "made in Taiwan"
Armageddon: "American components, Russian components, all made in Taiwan!"
@Drew
I'm from the US and I remember also.
I also remember when it from Taiwan to China.
I see more made in Mexico as time goes on
Those in the USA who are old enough, remember a time when “made in Japan” was considered a sign of junk. Times change …
Growing up in New Zealand I’ve seen the transition to “Made in China”
Love this video will use it in class. What stands out in my mind is how government, universities and industry must work together for a new sector to emerge. Colocation with universities and using networks and returnees were also keys to success. Other countries who want to create or stimulate new sectors should keep these lessons in mind.
ROC's success in IC industry owes much to the selfless Chinese engineers and their political leadership led by the humble ROC President Chiang Ching Kuo. Morris Chang of TSMC was only one of the pioneers.
Great video as usual Jon. The 1994 map of manufactures has so many names I remember. For me, the impact I've seen the most us the motherboard integrators, Gigabyte, ASUS, MSI etc but they too are dependent on the amazing ecosystem that is Taiwanese electronics. It would be interesting to see a 2020s version of that map!
Recently, the Academia Sinica in Taiwan announced the development of a quantum computer. The quantum computer uses a silicon quantum chip designed and manufactured by the Academy, paired with a system of peripheral superconducting devices. This combination of quantum silicon chips and peripheral superconducting devices, combined with the ever-improving power of traditional 0-and-1 computing chips, can be quickly commercialized.
Quantum computing is a continuous process that cannot store results. It must be paired with existing computers to classify and store results, build new instructions for AI, and feed them back to the quantum computing system for repeated calculations and implementation.
China's so-called self-developed quantum computer is a further development of the German glass-based photonic computer technology of 20 years ago. Glass-based photonic computers use light instead of electrons, but the main body is a large and complex glass plate that cannot be miniaturized. It can only be operated in large laboratory spaces.
The Academia Sinica in Taiwan and Intel in the United States are both developing quantum silicon chips and special packaging technologies to create the main system, paired with peripheral superconducting devices, to perform quantum three-state calculations and computations at absolute zero. TSMC will undoubtedly continue to lead the world in the supply of quantum computer chips in the future.
China's glass-based photonic computer system uses only two light source instructions, bright and dark, for binary calculations. It is clear that China is already far behind in the global quantum computing technology competition by taking the wrong path. China is ruled by autocratic and authoritarian politics, not by democratic and open science. The leader of an authoritarian regime can arbitrarily order scientists to produce results within a limited period of time, while a democratic and free regime can make choices from among the achievable goals discussed by many people, benefiting the development of technology, people's livelihood, and practical industries.
I wonder why Asustek is absent. I’m pretty sure I was already buying their motherboards in Paris shops at this time…
Such an amazing story. This a brilliant example of how to do technology transfer and bootstrap a sustainable industry. So many key ingredients, and right special sauce of enthusiastic people that have longer term visions and persistence to see it through.
Such a well done presentation, picking up on and sharing nuances and contextual details.
I enjoyed this video. I spent a lot of time in 新竹市 in the 1990s and 2000s. I did project work at TSMC, UMC, AMT, Macronix and several other semiconductor companies. I rode my scooter all over the area.
I am currently living in the Wind City 🍺🍺🍺
I loved ching chong as well
At that time... Taiwan wanted two other industries... 1. Aerospace (IDF and the failed acquisition of the struggling MD commercial side, which later together with the military side went on to buy Boeing with Boeing's money), 2. software development (the Taiwanese SEED project). Would love to see your takes on these two topics.
i always found it sort of surprising that i'm able to have a, decently paid, job doing something that somebody in another part of the world could likely do for less, with more formal educational credentials than i possess (0). especially considering the core reason i was able to end up in this industry is that i was able to learn on my own initiative, for free, regardless of any geographical and other disadvantages.
but when reflecting i realized, many of my irc friends were from eastern europe, russia. the same dynamic applied to them. there's a reason russian hackers are represented differently from dutch hackers. there's a reason russia, probably especially now considering the sanctions, had a thriving piracy scene as well, with some real innovation coming out of there producing products comparable to those produced by oficially charted commercial opeartions in the united states.
i wonder if the, sometimes very excessive rigidity, of east asian cultures has been directly counter productive here? it's unlikely somebody like myself would be considered for a position at a top $x company in taiwan or south korea, especially if i was taiwanese or south korean. clearly there's some pretty smart people in north korea as well, considering all the cryptocurrency they have liberated :)
Software jobs in Taiwan generally pay only a fraction of any jobs related to semiconductors. It's just not a thing here. (Source: am working at a medical AI company that like many others would not exist without government subsidies )
How do you buy Boeing with Boeing's money??
@@gabedarrett1301 Well, I ain’t gonna get sued over this. I live in the land of the free …… to be sued. You should go google it, if you really want the sordid details. I simply heard it from a friend of mine who works at Boeing.
I think Taiwan could do software well, but in order to work with the mainstream of the software industry, they would need to develop an English language skills base.
Teaching languages is a famous weakness of governments and institutes.
16:37 When I graduate from NCTU 2020 some of the biggest trees are already cut down due to "disease" issue. Kinda sad to see it becoming more barren since then
For aviation enthusiasts: Chian Ching Kuo was the namesake of the first Taiwanese-made fightet jet.
What’s a namesake?
I didn't know I was fascinated by the history of Taiwanese IC manufacturing, but somehow I am.
Recently, the Academia Sinica in Taiwan announced the development of a quantum computer. The quantum computer uses a silicon quantum chip designed and manufactured by the Academy, paired with a system of peripheral superconducting devices. This combination of quantum silicon chips and peripheral superconducting devices, combined with the ever-improving power of traditional 0-and-1 computing chips, can be quickly commercialized.
Quantum computing is a continuous process that cannot store results. It must be paired with existing computers to classify and store results, build new instructions for AI, and feed them back to the quantum computing system for repeated calculations and implementation.
China's so-called self-developed quantum computer is a further development of the German glass-based photonic computer technology of 20 years ago. Glass-based photonic computers use light instead of electrons, but the main body is a large and complex glass plate that cannot be miniaturized. It can only be operated in large laboratory spaces.
The Academia Sinica in Taiwan and Intel in the United States are both developing quantum silicon chips and special packaging technologies to create the main system, paired with peripheral superconducting devices, to perform quantum three-state calculations and computations at absolute zero. TSMC will undoubtedly continue to lead the world in the supply of quantum computer chips in the future.
China's glass-based photonic computer system uses only two light source instructions, bright and dark, for binary calculations. It is clear that China is already far behind in the global quantum computing technology competition by taking the wrong path. China is ruled by autocratic and authoritarian politics, not by democratic and open science. The leader of an authoritarian regime can arbitrarily order scientists to produce results within a limited period of time, while a democratic and free regime can make choices from among the achievable goals discussed by many people, benefiting the development of technology, people's livelihood, and practical industries.
One of my best pal works in Taiwanese semiconductor industry and he visited/collaborate with Isreali company. He found a lot of similarities between Taiwan and Israel. I think it will be a great idea to make a video on comparing Taiwan and Israel. FYI, ROC and Isreal were ally during the Cold War and we transferred their military technology back. It is also an interesting story as well. Taiwan not only acquire advanced technology from the US but other friendly countries as well.
Thank you for sharing this story, which is pretty much the story of why and how I am able to be fortunate enough to have the education and career that I have had. I came from Taiwan to the US at age 12 in 1979. I have spent my entire formative and adult years pretty much in Silicon Valley and Taiwan. I majored in semiconductors from BS to Ph.D. and have gone on to a software career that’s 29 years and counting. I was inspired to be a (software and now cloud) engineer b/c of my uncles who all got their Ph.D.’s and worked in semiconductor and computer industries in Silicon Valley and Taiwan. The innovative and open spirit of both places truly feed off of each other.
Unbelievably, a company outside the US could become #1 in semiconductor manufacturing while US companies that started the semiconductor business are slowly declining.
When you mentioned Philips i remembered your and others articles on ASML, derived from Philips and Taiwan. The only high tech derivative of Philips left!
Edit for grammar.
I believe NXP is also a philips derivative?
Great work Jon!
Some additional info:
那時他們派出來的是與 RCA 的事業體 RCA Solid State Division (總部在 Somerville, New Jersey) 對接、去的主要地點是 Findlay, Ohio 以及 Plam Beach Gardens, Florida 兩地的工廠。
P.S. 此事業體與 RCA 的中央實驗室 David Sarnoff Research Center (位於 Princeton Junction, New Jersey) 是平行單位、彼此不相隸屬。
RCA SSD HQ buildings probably no longer existed. Current main site has a supermarket, furniture store, an investment firm's branch office, and Thermo Fisher Scientific mfg site.
BTW, the HQ building picture in the video is RCA-Victor building nicknamed Nipper Building, located in Camden, NJ.
(Nipper is the name of the dog sitting beside the old Victor phonograph.)
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H8FM+H5R Bridgewater, New Jersey
>(Nipper is the name of the dog sitting beside the old Victor phonograph.)
whenever I think of camden, the first thing that comes to my mind is, strong drugs. i'm guessing that city has changed a lot over the decades ^^
Inspiring how foresighted, competent and capable these people are
We really need more people like them nowadays in business and manufacturing.
gas shortage photo at 1:09 is in lake oswego, OR. the gas station is now a Shell instead of Texaco, and the Albertson's is still there.
I also recognized it, I grew up there (Petes Mountain)
*To be pedantic* the Albertsons has relocated to a newer building set further back on its parcel, consolidating customer parking to the Firwood Road frontage. Am I wrong, or was that area still unincorporated Multnomah County in June 1973, not yet annexed to Lake Oswego?
This is some pretty specific reminiscing. Is there some logical reason why three people from the Lake Oswego area would've found their way to this channel? (This could for example be robust education or job opportunities in electronics in the area, leading to this path of interest.) Or is it just chance and a game of numbers?
@@GameboygeniusThe names on the street signs probably wouldn't have registered with me if I didn't live in the rough area. There's a reason the nearby Beaverton-Hillsboro area is called Silicon Forest.
@@poofygoof "Silicon Forest" That answers my question then. :)
Another great video from one of the most unique, indispensable creators on the platform! Hard working too.. Do you ever take a break?
China imports nearly $200 billion worth of high-value chips, electronic components, and precision mechanical parts from Taiwan every year. China uses Taiwan's high-quality and precision products to assemble products with low-cost labor and then exports them to the world. China only earns a small profit from the assembly labor. Because Taiwan provides China with high-quality and precision upstream components for assembly, you are confident in buying products assembled in China. After the U.S.-China trade war and technology war began, many assembly factories were forced to move to Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, India, and Mexico. Taiwan's industries have shifted their exports of upstream high-quality and precision components to these countries for assembly. As a result, you have also started to feel confident in buying products assembled in these countries.
You buy a high-quality iPhone because you trust Apple's design and Taiwanese-made processors and electronic components, not because it is assembled in China. Now that iPhones using Taiwanese-made processors and electronic components are being produced in India and exported to the world, you are starting to trust iPhones assembled in India.
啥？你难道不知道中国大陆在苹果产业链地位还有国产化率？你是搞笑？就算苹果再怎么想迁徙出中国也一样离不开中国研发人才以及制造还有零部件产业链优势。还有中国大陆进口台湾你要不先了解一下里面内容基本都是中国大陆可以生产制造只不过是为了念及同胞情谊扶持台湾让利惠台让台湾一年赚一千多亿美元顺差而中国大陆对欧美日韩都是顺差你知道？而台湾对欧美日韩等国外是逆差你知道台湾是依赖大陆惠台让利政策还有扶持才能发展维持经济不然你以为他们能发展？😂
@@雅君墨客-i9z
Where is the proof of your claim China OEM/ODM helped Apple design iphone ?
Foxconn / Honhai are the main designer of Apple iphone, although they employ a number of Chinese engineers in their China office.
Fascinating....so much history of how we got here today.... reminds me that the smartphones and other miraculous electronics that we take for granted didn't just grow on trees...
Excellent video. What was missed out is an important historical fact that will happen again and again in the future, so long as there is a glass ceiling for immigrants. In the 1970s, these talented young Chinese PhDs working for IBM, Bell Lab, etc saw that within their companies, less technically competent whites were promoted to leadership positions while they were held back bcz of the perception that their linguistic fluency and "strict" disciplined cultural background would not make them successful executives. Japanese manufacturing executives were having a hard time with American factory workers over the issue of discipline and worker enthusiasm. The second important factor for Taiwan is that the government had actively met with graduating and doctoral programs over dinners on Chinese holidays in the U.S. campuses, polling them on "What it would take for them to return to Taiwan?" Many of the graduating students already knew from those schoolmates who worked at major U.S. corporations that there is a glass ceiling. The top leadership is always white. A Chinese would always be suspected or can be misbranded quickly as a communist. But the wives of these Chinese graduates expresses a desire to stay in America bcz they have more freedom. If they return home, they have to live with their husband's parents. A dreaded thought. Taiwan government and corporations responded by offering FREE housing (some with maid service). That worked. I was contacted by one of these big advanced corporations to be a consultant for retention of Chinese PhD workers. I turned it down bcz I did not have the nerve to say what they could never consider. Break the glass ceiling! I was in many of those FREE dinners.
Chips are the fathers of technology and the mothers of products. Taiwan produces over 80 billion chips every year, which is more than the global population of 7.753 billion. On average, each person on Earth uses at least one Taiwanese chip every year. Over the years, every household on Earth has used dozens of Taiwanese-made chips. Taiwan's chip production accounts for nearly 70% of the global market, and TSMC accounts for more than 92% of the global share of advanced chips below 10 nanometers.
NYCU name is awkward because it's Mandarin acronym sounds somewhat funny.
The early talents from China participated in the US electronic industry since the early state. These scientists and engineers were the comes of Taiwan today electronic industry.
应该来说是中国大陆人，只不过移民美国被蒋经国希望去台湾发展科技产业。
I've only listened to the intro at this point, but I just want to favourably call out this creator's attitude towards going back and rewatching their old content and challenging their old assumptions. Clearly not just some shallow Algorithm-Chasing exercise right here, this behaviour is testament to a healthy respect for Best Practice and a desire to always keep improving. Entirely admirable, thanks for the excellent analyses mate. 👍
I've been here since close to the start (a couple of years at this point) and I agree with the assessment.
Thank you Jon.
It is interesting, from the perspective of 2024, to hear late '70s, high ranking Taiwanese were thinking about placing some plans on the back-burner, until they could re-take the Mainland. In the light of the Mainland's expansionist ambitions today, that makes interesting study. It's also a timely reminder of who and what the ruling class and elite in Taiwan, are. That isn't criticism (let alone racism) that's just a reminder, it pays to remember who and what these groups are.
May you live in interesting times.
Can I make the observation, the reminder, that Jensen Huang and Lisa Su, are family?
Because by the 90s the Japanese becomes way too good and that makes the American not so happy
By the 80s they already took over a lot of the auto industry....
And then South Koreans stepped up in 90s
12:31 Love the reference 😂
Great success story! Thank you for the extensive work!
Excellent motivational story indeed. I had friends who studied with me at QMU in England and worked at Hsinchu Park! Very proud of them!
I thought I had known our semiconductor history far more enough, but you had studied far more than me.
You must be a person whom is so related with this industry, perhaps you worked inside Hsinchu Science park before.🤔
I often worked inside TSMC but was an employee of another American company called Applied materials of Hsinchu in 2002. I live in Hsinchu for long time.
I’ve seen more photos from your video this time. I seemed remembering the left one of that old 8 people photo was Robert, Shin Cheng, Tsao!🤔
ITRI is and was a cooperative group of our company, potentially.
There’re many sectors on this science and technology field, semiconductor is of course far more advanced than other countries like China. But there’re more stories inside of it. However, the regulation on China is more stricter than Taiwan on environmental sector now.
Anyway, thank you for your deeper introduction.
incredibly competent government at that time
Looking forward to the Acer video!
Excellent summersault into the conclusion
This guy is genius !!!!!!!! Great great video!
Your video is fascinating, and very well documented. We can feel that you did a lot of research to prepare this video. I also appreciate that you pronounce Chinese names correctly. Do you have a page where we you provide in a text format all the links that you show in this video?
Taiwan is a fantastically independent country
You can be sure this will change soon with Biden as President.
When did Taiwan become an independent state? Which countries in the world recognize and establish diplomatic relations with Taiwan? And the recognition of international organizations such as the United Nations World Trade Organization? Hey, why don't you take a look at the Cairo Declaration, the Postan Proclamation, the UN Charter?😂
@@雅君墨客-i9z 五毛開始寫英文
@@雅君墨客-i9zyes Taiwan is a province of China...with its own flag own army own air force own Navy own president own constitution own political system. How nice of China to be considerate to it's provinces. Maybe Xinjiang and Tibet provinces should also get their own flag own army own president own political system 😂😂😂
It succeeded because the majority of stock holders are American companies too. Hence, the American market is open for Taiwanese products. It's the same scenario when the US government supported Japan and South Korea. There is politics behind that to protect Taiwan (including Japan and S Korea) against communism. US feared that if they will not support these countries' economies, they might be attracted to join communism.
Exactly, I never see people bringing up this point, also it is American technology! Toyota is what it is because of the US....
You must be misinformed.
US destroyed Taiwan economy in 2001 when US give China Permanent Most Favored Nation status which allowed China to export to US tariff free, which Taiwan does not have such privilege.
As a results many Taiwan companies are forced to set up high tech factories in China starting from 2002. Quanta, Pegatron, Foxconn, Asus, Wistron, etc. are the biggest high tech OEM/ODM in China.
Only with TSMC success in their DUV lithography process from 2009/2012 that Taiwan economy was able to be improved.
如果這樣 第二次世界大戰後美國有馬歇爾計劃 一樣扶持很多國家 如菲律賓等 為什麼成功只有日本 韓國 台 新加坡 所以這是一個偽命題
“Spinning off” vs. “spinning out”
Thanks for the great video. Hope China can stop listing TSMC as a Chinese company soon.
没人能把台积电当成中国公司只不过是美资企业而已。至于他认同哪国公司你问问他们创始人呀。😂
Taiwan is Taiwan, china is evil china, different country.
6:16 電子技術咨詢委員會
前排左起: 凌宏璋、葛文勳、趙曾珏、羅念、胡定華
後排左起: 厲鼎毅、史欽泰、李天培、楊丁元、潘文淵
Many thanks for this video! 😊
Basically, the RCA technology transfer was Copy Exactly long before anyone at Intel had thought of the idea.
Cannot wait for the Taiwanese computer industry video!
HELLO this are excellent in-depth videos that I just found and am very impressed ! Well done! I would love you to do a video on China's progress on digital memory. i.e DRAM & NAND. I know CXMT is the leader in DRAM, but there is v little info on how it's faring under export controls, as DRAM needs DUV and EUV lithography also. Can you do a video, or if not pls post links to this message where I can track CXMT's progress. thank you !
Nyango Star deserves a like!
This video shows the hard lessons the Europeans need to be learning before they further expand on their "we want a TSMC, but for the EU" plans.
We need politicians to believe in and develop their people and communities
Great video states the detailed development traces. One more thing, RCA caused the most terrible pollution in Taoyuan, Taiwan, 1970-1990.
18:01 好可愛的地圖..
Location Location Location(proximity to 2 Technical Universities)+ A Leninist state that can discipline labor and capital + access to latest western industrial technology and western trained Engineers/Scientists(like Jon said) + brilliant/pragmatic leadership + ERSO(nothing would have happened without ERSO) + ITRI + Hsinchu Science Park(proximity to ports HELP)
Taiwan IC industry peeps are awesome. Great video as always.
Very informative video...feel happy for Taiwan..but feel sad for my country India..wish we had a more visionary leadership at the time and wish we had aligned with the west rather than the socialist blocs..
Anyways hoping that someday India too becomes a chip manufacturing hub..
If India treats semiconductor technology as a national must have do or die mission like we did for atomic bomb then we can do it (ik semiconductors are way way more difficult than atomic bombs but I feel if we treat semiconductors as a must have technology then we can achieve it)
"watched that video and cringed" lol.
A fascinating topic great job 👏👍👌
@17:47 - I got a fever and the only prescription is Mo' Chang
10:02 we finally know the answer
Paul Harvey: And now you know the rest of the story.
What a cool project that was.
Because the Americans helped them
Americans govt ?
Well young people running industry used to be a thing, but hey everyone now and or for the past oh, 25 30 years wants to keep everyone a kid.
Then they wonder why young folks are pissed off and aren't going to contribute!
No motivation, why bother?
18:03 Half -- or more -- of those companies are now gone.
Which is natural as time progresses. I do recognize a few ones that I still see around today when shopping for components. ISSI, Macronix, Holtek, Winbond. Making bread and butter stuff is apparently still profitable. And in the bottom of the image, some unknown little company, TSMC, which I think are still in operation. (/s)
0:24 Is that Benny Hill on the far right? 😁
Silicon Island
台灣五十歲以下的人，都是聽台積電長大的😂只是全世界的非業內人都是在2016年認識台積電，蘋果A8打響知名度
The topic I'm waiting for
حلمي أماثل هالتجربه في السعودية، الحجاز سيليكون فالي بجوار كاوست
Taiwan as a very successful "Startup Nation". Fighting for political legitimacy even as it establishes great innovations in an open, democratic society. It borrowed heavily from its internation network of overseas diaspora and built a new base starting from very humble beginnings. It reminds me of a certain small nation in the middle east. In such ways, I believe that Taiwan and Israel share many commonalities.
Well the union three people to change a lightbulb is bullshit, simply because the third one supervising wasn't union he'd be management!
HeLLO ASIANOMETRY. Did you read the CHIP WAR book
But US and China will take over this Taiwan semiconductor
Thanks!
Thanks
Degrees doesn't really equal smart!
Asia Silicon Valley.
It's considered a darling of the economy of Taiwan & global economies because of the vast integration of chips or integrated circuits made by Taiwanese companies. This is why the CCP wants to integrate or take over Taiwan to make it part of the PRC, it's all about that money, power, and global control, like they did with rare Earth metals. This is why there are global power issues related to Taiwan maintaining its independence and autonomy as a nation.
wonder if Taiwan's Industrialization pioneer Sun has some relation with the mining&petro pioneer Sun left in Mainland China. Both have kids that made some bad news later.
Any relation to Sun Oil Company in the US? Aka Sunoco!
How much did Apple's decision to have the ][ made in Taiwan contribute to growth there?
Lmao i don't think the last video wad cringe. It was quite insightful. Well I'll watch this one too
Ukraine supports Democratic Taiwan 🇹🇼💙💛
Back when this story happened, Taiwan wasn't all that democratic. (Fortunately, they have since become much more democratic.)
Should become one country. I mean Ukraine and Republic of China.
i dont beleive sll this smart hardwork brought semiconducto rndustry to Taiwan.
Taiwan has semiconductor industry because US wants that way. Dutch have ASML because US wants that way. US basically switched Taiwan to have it and took away from Japan.
Will the semiconductor fabs be destroyed as China takes control of Taiwan?
Yes, definitely.... they are as crazy as you.
Taiwan number one
China # 2
@@jtgd - China IS #2 as in 💩
they copied even toilet paper particulars - now this i call a pants down approach!
Why did RCA give their expertise and technology to Taiwan so freely? Wouldn't they be worried about competition from American semiconductor companies?
not freely. they bid for it and did not provide the most cutting edge technology
Taiwan went through a long journey to become today king of semiconductor. 1978 Taiwan government deal with lot of foreigner computer books law suits since the U.S. kicked Taiwan out of UN. They were not part of the allies which must followed the copyright law. They translated all new computer text books for people who couldn't understood and afforded them. All college had computer science students who became the manpower of future computer companies. Government assigned 新竹 for Silicon Valley. America did two stupid things to help them to grow. 80s IBM too popular so they made a production line in Taiwan for cheap labor. Immediately the IBM compatible computers everywhere. Second things the United States forced AT&T spin lost the AT&T bell lap . Thousands PhD left and went back to HongKong and Taiwan. These group of engineers were designed and invented chips. America lost them for ever. Very sad 90s the CCP Chinese sent spies to steal technology from US. That was any other things. They are not like 80s were the contributors but America got rid of them.
America wants the industry back had to started from kindergarten improve math subject. Memorize the multiple table before second grade.
What y'all think is gonna happen with requirement of chip being produced in more friendly countries in the west do you think that talent is gonna stay are leave Taiwan?
Love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Taiwanese are just built differently 😎
S Korea only switched recognition after the wall fell, after just about everyone else, and the the prez gave the ROC embassy compound to the PRC - ROC was pissed
Before watching: cheap labor and foreign investment.
You want labour that has cheap productivity.
To give an example: suppose a German factory worker makes 50 Euro an hour. And an Egyptian factory worker makes 5 Euro.
If you can get the German for 30 Euro an hour, that's still 'cheaper' than getting the Egyptian for 10 Euro; because of the productivity difference.
@I love it when people use racism to justify their logic.
"Germany has better facilities."
Yes but that has nothing to do with Germany; that's because Egypt is poor and doesn't have the workers' rights Germany does.
@@WaterZer0 Huh? Workers' rights might be a good idea for workers, but they don't make them more productive.
To your core concern: forget about the example, I gave, if that makes you uncomfortable.
Replace with East German worker (in East Germany) vs West German worker (in West Germany) in eg the 1980s. Or North Korean compared to South Korean workers today.
Or, compare an average Mexican worker in Mexico with a Mexican worker who won a US green card lottery.
In any case, I'm afraid you get much of the causality backwards: Egypt is poor because it has low worker productivity within her borders. (I say 'much of' not 'all of', because of "Baumol's cost disease". See Wikipedia for details. But that effect is mostly why I explicitly referred to factory workers.)
@ "Workers' rights might be a good idea for workers, but they don't make them more productive."
Better conditions and shorter hours improve productivity in literally every field.
"Replace with East German worker (in East Germany) vs West Ger-"
Oh you're just stupid and racist. The classic combo.
Tech Transfer and brain drain.
Semis made me rich :)))))
the place that built the sillicon that built the valley
I always thought NCTU was a kpop band
Republic of china?
Taiwan's official name is Republic of China. China's official name is People's Republic of China.
After the 1949 revolution in China the pre-revolutionary government held on to Taiwan, and has ambitions to re-take the rest of China. The post-revolutionary government of the mainland has ambitions to extend the revolution to Taiwan. Both consider Taiwan to be part of China, and each considers itself to be the legitimate government of the whole of China. This is why it is not possible for foreign countries to have diplomatic relations with both mainland China and Taiwan.
Russia Pootin could not compete with Taiwan in semi conductor technology, in fact Russia Pootin lag far behind Taiwan. Russia Pootin only excels at bigmouth technology 😂
microns?
Ahhh because the wealthiest nation on the planet 🇺🇸 as with everyone else outsourced semiconductor production to Taiwan, is exactly why….This whole video in one comment
without apple tsmc would be stuck behind samsung
Taiwan benefits from both the mainland and the USA. Most places don't have that privilege.
PRC also benefits from trade with the rest of the mainland and from trade with the US and the rest of the world.
....and we all benefit from both - may we continue to do so peacefully in the future...
@and US also benefit from Mainland China and PRC and rest of the world .