Threadless vs. Threaded Stems
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
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Be Fixie Famous and get your name shout out at the end of each video by supporting the channel on Patreon: / zachgallardo These days, the standard is for bikes to have 1 1/8" threadless stems, headsets, and forks, but the standard used to be 1" threaded for almost every bike. What pros and cons does each system have compared to the other? Let's talk about threadless vs. threaded stems, headsets, and forks to see which one is best for you.
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Thanks to everyone that requested this video in last week's Fixed Gear Q&A. What versus video do ya'll want to see next?
release the video already!
I think you've covered up most of the parts.. haha. Maybe try some Learn and Tricks this time
Some useful beginner tricks and skills? Maybe??
ps. Happy birthday!
high tensile vs chromoly steel
front rack vs rear rack, 1 brake vs 2 brakes, short crank (60/65cm) vs long krank (75+ cm)
Good luck to a thief stealing my threaded cockpit, dang thing is fused solid to the 40year old French frame it's in. Unless the thief is RJ the bike guy I don't think it's coming loose
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Fuck, I laughed too much
that made me laugh out loud haha
@@johnhanley9946 guy sounds gay
Not a fix gear rider but I love the content as a roadie. Looking forward to this video haha also, we share the same birthday haha Happy birthday!!
Quill stems just look amazing and I really like the feel of my 25.4 track drop bars
"Pain in the arse". It's a great phrase and you nailed it. Props.
Got a factory five f5 Titan 1" quill stem for an old giant frame that I converted to fixed gear and wanted to keep the look of the quill but wanted more modern 31.8mm carbon drop bars. It a dope stem with an removal face plate. Haha it's expensive tho.. actually spent more on the stem than the frame, but it looks sharp!
Happy birthday. I had a birthday this week as well--71. Still riding fixed every day. I go way back to Sheldon Brown. Bikes: Wabi Special with White industries drive train plus some other nice stuff and Fuji Feather with some 1990's Dura ace track hubs and crank set we found in a warehouse a couple of years ago. Still new in box. Out of work due to Covid-19 which gives me a LOT of riding time. Keep up the good work. DAVE
I use a NITTO UI-2 Quill Stem on my steel bike, it has a removable face plate, I highly recommend. Great video btw.
Just because you have threaded a system it does not mean you can not have a stem that has a removable face plates. Orgin8 an Deda make quill stems that have removable face plates.
Happy birthday dude. Ride safe!
I love the simple but beautiful look of a quill stem, happy B birthday brotha
There's quill to A-head adapters tho. 😉
Also factory5 do a quill stem with removable face plate for oversized handlebars.
That's what I had to do because my bike had a 21.1 mm threaded stem
@@ratchetwolf6336 French bike by any chance?
My only option for a stem was to use a stem adapter due to my bike having a weird size since its American from the early 80s
@@ratchetwolf6336 so American was as weird as French at some point?
Like I know that if you're working on an old French bike to keep everything and just refurbish, because you'll never ever find fitting components, like not even within the same brand. Like seriously same brand and same production year and shit still won't be interchangeable between models!
But I never would've guessed that from American bikes.
Happy Birthday Zach! Great video as usual.
Happy Birthday Zach, and thanks for the very complete explanation!
Factory Five actually makes a 1" threaded stem for a 31.8mm handlebar diameter with a 2 bolt removable faceplate. It's like a hundred USD, but if you're like me, and not always rational about the cost of your bike parts, it can be a pretty addition to your vintage frame and fork.
Happy birthday Zach! Love your content.
Are we gonna glaze over the fact its his bday? Happy birthday man your videos make my day
Happy Birthday, Zach. More rides to come
Hi Zach and Happy B-day! BTW, you are not old. I agree with 95% of this video, but don't agree the threaded stems are "higher maintenance" than threadless. IMHO treadless systems are higher maintenance and more unreliable. The bearings don't last as long and I've seen a few fail catastrophically, but have never seen a treaded system completely fail. Also, you didn't mention tapered head tubes, but a couple of the bikes you showed in the video had them. Not hating, just putting in my $.02 since you usually ask for comments. I think your channel is great and motivates people to get out and ride. As mentioned by another, doing a video on square-taper vs. through-axel bottom brackets could be interesting, also maybe one on the job of a bike messenger and why they usualy choose fixed/single-speed bikes (they always have great stories)
Thanks for the video Zach - Also HBD!
You can pick up a steep angled stem to get a decent rise on your handle bars. I have very long legs, so I have to use them on all of my bikes to get my handlebars to a reasonable height, even with an uncut steerer tube. (My track bike still has the bars about 10cm lower than the saddle with a short 35 degree stem and a full stack of spacers)
It doesn't look horrible IMO if you find spacers that match the stem or frame.
Happy birthday Zack thanks for the content I enjoyed it
Happy birthday Zach!!!
Oh Happy Birth Day to 2020 Zach !
And to current day one, why not :)
Happy Birthday! - Thanks for Vids!
Happy late birthday, Zach! Love your videos ❤️
Happy birthday Zach ⚙️🎉🎉🎉
Happy birthday 🎉 Zachh
Happy Birthday Zach! Thanks for getting me into fixed lol
Happy birthday Zach!
YOU DIDNT MENTION COVERSION HEAD SETS????
Happy Birthday Zach!
Happy birthday Zach
Cant tell you how many times i stay up past 12 to watch his videos.
Biggest down side of threaded stems. Removing a corroded one from an old beautiful frame you found somewhere and try to restore. Good luck with that (doable but not nice).
Had a aluminum threaded stem stuck in a steel steer tube. Over time it chemically bonded with each other. That to me is a pain.
Nobody Cycles? Okay i was in the exact same situation as you. I found a way to remove it. You can dissolve the aluminium using sodiumhydroxide. I Will leave a link to a video of someone using this method to remove an aluminium stem. Im doing it myself aswell right now.
ua-cam.com/video/8b4t42wiJpQ/v-deo.html
@@teholster7043 That has to be one of the best solutions I've seen. Thank you. Next time I ever encounter a chemically bonded aluminum stem/steel steer tube, I'll definitely use sodium hydroxide. Sorry if my original reply sounded a little bit rude. I could have worded it better by proofreading.
quick tip from someone who's worked with a lot of old bikes- take the stem body out if u can, spray some gt85 on the wedge, take an old stem bolt, screw it into the wedge and hit it with a hammer. works almost every time
Happy birthday Zach.
Happy birthday my guy!
Thanks for Always making such good Videos Zach. I Wish you all the best for your Future and Most importantly good health. Happy Birthday , Cheers from Berlin ✌️
Happy Birthday and many more, mash it out Hmnto-
Officina Battaglin makes the Portofino a lugged steel frame with 1 1/8” head tube
Which system is generally heavier? Any weight savings?
I have a steel frame trekking bike with threadless stem and I want a quill stem so I can raise the handlebars like a Holland bike or Rivendell but the only option is adjustable stem and that is not enough. I am going to buy handlebars with more rise and backsweep. But then I have to lengthen the hydraulic brake cables ( magura hs11)and I wish wished I had deore V brakes because they are easier to lengthen.
Basically, I bought a nice bike with xt and magura and a threaded stem
I commute and a comfortable but quality riding position is important. I think the industry is so focused on selling the competition aspects and people buy into it without realizing that a huge percentage of their riding is maybe around town, commuting, shopping and so on. So they buy a bike dreaming about being cool on mountain trails or riding over the Swiss Alps.
I also was oversold on XT and Magura and to be honest the replacement parts are expensive and wear out faster because they are lighter weight. Standard shimano alivio works for most people and most people don't need 3x10.
I think threaded is limited. I have seen touring bikes with over built extensions on threadless and it looks terrible. This one guy had problems with it clicking
Most people are not aware of quill vs threadless
I learned about it after and threaded is for me more practical
HB! I ride both - and this was really helpful to make sense of my experience. How about understanding when to replace cogs and chainrings? My dream build is approaching 2 years and has developed slack spots. Cog or chainring?
Happy birthday Zach!!!
Just outta curiosity but have you ever ridden the steel Fuji track bike that they still make? I was thinking of getting into a pretty inexpensive track bike and my LBS recommended that. I was also looking into state bike stuff but I might just get the Fuji cause name brand and more standardized parts?
Great video as always mate! Cheers!!!
I got both LOL, sorta, bc I own a vintage frame and I really wanted a set of bullhorn bars but they were only available in 31.8 so I got this quill to threadless adapter and now I also have a quill stem for a set of 26mm risers that I swap from time to time
Great content Zach, Like always
beautiful threaded is my preference although i do ride threadless for work. nothing beats the look of the nitto jaguar slammed and shiny on a beautiful njs build. 💙💜💙💜
oh and happy birthday!
Birthday in a week!! Happy birthday brother!!!!
Happy B'Day Zach!
The specialty tool to cut your steer tube is a $12 pipe cutter at home depot, lowes, Walmart, etc. A 10 year old could easily use it. Not sharp, not hard to use. Just a heads up....
He used one at 4:56...
Unless you're addressing that to the comment readers.
Hey Zach, any recommendations for Quill threaded stems with removable faceplates?
Happy birthday m8.
Quill stems are often used on cheap road bikes and mountain bikes because the manufacturer only does 1 or 2 frame sizes and it allows a good bike fit with a limited choice of frame sizes plus I feel on a road bike in an accident the stem will rotate more easily out of the way. Personally I feel the quill stem is a good option on a road bike where you may want to try different handlebar heights etc but should never be used on a true mountain bike that actually goes off road. This seems a good video for being fair I've seen so many videos where people hate quill stems but there are many pro's to them and helps people get a good bike fit on a cheap bike which surely is a good thing.
I think it's far more common in my experience for people to have a bad bike fit with threadless. I've also seen people who got back into cycling and at first they had the quill stem quite high to give a very relaxed riding position but over time they gradually dropped the stem height to give a more aggressive riding position which is only possible with quill stems with threadless you'd have to keep buying new parts and because of the fork steerer height may be prevented from doing so without adapters and extenders.
@Stevie Blue I've got an old Specialized Sirrus road bike from the 90s and it has a quill stem I guess road bikes moved to threadless later than mountain bikes. I think the industry has learned that by making bikes more specific to their buyer's dimensions they make it harder to resell that bike forcing more people to buy new. My old Sirrus will quickly adapt to many size riders where as my more recent bikes won't. It takes seconds to convert my Sirrus from relaxed riding to more aggressive fast riding, nowadays that would be 2 different bikes for people. So what was 1 bike now becomes 2 or 3 bikes, a win for the industry but bad for the environment. I'm glad Zach didn't just follow so many other videos of criticising quill stems, they are still a fantastic option for fixed gear and other road bikes.
Can I used 22.2 stem adapter size to a 25.4 inner size of the fork, because I am not sure to the exact size of my MTB steerer tube? That is why I am planning to buy 22.2 stem adapter
How's this, my clamp diameter is 22.2, got a BMX stem, was hard to source bars
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5:37 What stem is that?
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Happy birthday Zach, make something stupit and get way with it ;)
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My bike has a problem please help me
Every time I go to no hander driving my bike always go left
Happy Birthday! 🍻
I just put a new fork on my bike and im trying out different heights a couple of weeks before i commit to cutting the steertube.
Since early comments are trending to cranks. Eccentric bb vs. external bearing vs. square taper.
Happy Birthday bro. Today is my Birthday too 4/11
I fell of my bike today and this pops out
Happy birthday 🎂
Happy Birthday Zack! Just a coincidence, but it’s my cat’s birthday too.
I FINALLY found a threaded stem with 31.8mm, looks a bit bulky on picture but yea pretty hard to find.
they are made in taiwan, pretty cool
Good information. Thanks man
Happy birthday! :P
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Happy birthday.
What's your views on Chinese carbon handlebar or other components vs the normal super ex brands like zipp and enve
handlebars are one place I think you need to be extra careful with cheap carbon. The one time I bought one, it makes creaking sounds if I flex it just with arm strength. For pretty similar money, you can get a good quality alloy bar that is probably similar weight, and is less likely to feed you a pavement sandwich.
I would add if you are setting up a threaded headset, is to add 3-5 mm of spacers, because headsets do wear out and your replacement might have a greater stack height, also of course you have more room for error in measuring your cutting.
You mean threadless, not threaded?
@@paulgroves8633 I would say the rule applies to both, however you often run spacers on a threadless anyway to get the right height, whereas with a threaded you have the stem to adjust the height, just if you have (as is likely if you are setting up a threaded headset) a steel frame that will last a lifetime, it is good to have a bit of capacity in the set up to accommodate differences in headset stack height.
@@grahamariss2111 I run an 80mm silver Nitto Pearl stem on my Mercian Strada Speciale, with a Campagnolo Record 1" threaded headset. I have some lower back pain issues (despite having a bike fit), so run it quite high, near the max. line. It looks fantastic and I don't notice any flex. I use 26mm Nitto M106 NAS compact handlebars (in silver), which also seem pretty stiff (they're heat-treated, which may help). I have another (not as nice) steel frame I'm thinking of using a 1" threadless Columbus Minimal carbon fork with, though, mostly for weight savings - probably about 500g lighter than using a threaded steel fork, though not as pretty.
@@paulgroves1427 Sounds good, Nitto are a beautiful stem.
Another major disadvantage of 25.4 mm threaded stems: one can not purchase a 'decent' suspension fork for love and/or money. You could ten years ago but no current manufacturer produces them. You might not like suspension forks but in many city's today the pavements is so poorly maintained that suspension fork are almost a requirement.
hey happy birthday mate! (pepi)
Thanks for this vid!!!
Looking for a track frame that can handle full size 26inch tires with no rub
I have a question, I converted a steel road bike to fixed, it came with a threaded headset and fork. Can i change the fork and headset to thredless?
yes but you´ll have to either change your fork´s steerer tube to a threadless one (a welder can help you with that) or buy an Ahead fork, once thats aside, you also have to buy a 1" ahead headset, and also a 1" stem. Definetly doable but it depends finally on if you´ll take the hassle to do everything i said, mainly replacing the fork steerer tube
@@Kantcino It's one of those that is technically possible but I can't for the life of me imagine any scenario where it would be a good idea.
Quill stems do look good, but ahead stems are prac af. Although, I have seen quill steams with faceplates.
Hi Zach, BB compatibility for Sugino 75? Also your thoughts on S75 DD?
@BeboSaab indeed but Sugino warning on wrong BB damaging the spindle? Only on marketing purpose?
i use 75s with hatta bb and they ride fine.
If you're gonna use a 31.8 clamp bar, buy one that is already made close to the width you want (eg: Cinelli). It is designed to flex a reasonable amount and not rattle your teeth out. Don't cut down a 780mm mtb bar to 500mm - it will be way way way too stiff. Ask me how i know...
happy b-day and stay healthy ✌
Happy birthday
You CAN get 31.8 clamp diameters with a thread less stem (Nitto)
What about an anchor phm7 those are carbon with threaded headsets usually
Can you make a video about fork rake?
0:07 well, that's how roasting bike really looks like.
I'd call it smoking, tho'.
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Killed me with getting older it's my bday...I'm 51 gonna be grand parent any day ...and I just got my 8 or 10 crazy bike passion feeling of my life ...actually 15th...anyway I got my dads old schwinn as a fixed and I have steel in my accidental quiver...85 Merckx ...terry /nishiki /trek ...trek is an old 420 ...cheers also I'm so clueless till after I actually have a leader road frame
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only point i can agree here with you is the limited clamp diameter, that relly suck . Everything else i find debateble. Greeting from "just" a SSP rider :)
I like quill stem because of its style
i would snag a zach gallardo reasonably dangerous purple wabi special frame set.. *shoulder shrug emoji* :D
Anyone have the sauce for the cannondale track inspired bike?
Can u increase handlebar height in threadless handle?
Happy. Belated Birthday!