First Shahed 136 Downed by Electronic Warfare (Recovered Intact)
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- Опубліковано 26 січ 2024
- Ukraine shared photos of the first Russian Shahed 136 downed by electronic warfare jammers rather than missiles. The drone was recovered intact.
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I’m a long time flyer of RC planes, and I speak from experience that when plastic or carbon fiber props hit the ground when they’re spinning, they shatter like glass into a thousand pieces. That’s probably why you don’t see the props on these drones, they’re spread out all across the ground now.
That may be so, but I doubt they use carbon fiber or plastic for those. I'm more inclined to believe it would be some metallic material. These arent toy planes after all in terms of mass. Just look at the inefficient shape of the wing's leading edge, most likely to maximize fuel capacity.
Still, it could very well also be the jet engine model just upside down so we cant see the intake.
@@Ganiscol Aircraft propellers are made using composite materials. Mostly carbon fiber over a core.
Some do use aluminum but I doubt it here. Even wood is still used.
Actually I just googled some pictures, and you can find a destroyed one with the propeller painted white and the inside being brown wood colour.
So coming from Iran and a one-off product it's probably cheap so wood sounds plausible.
I'm almost sure to have seen them with wooden props. A wooden prop still is the most light weight and cheapest option when it comes to a propeller in the required size.
God bless the King
@@Ganiscol They technically are quite big, but not extremely big models. The piston engine is the same size as in the very lightest class of ultralight aircraft. There are no metal propellers used in that power class because metal propellers are heavy and very expensive. The most used material is wood and fiber reinforced plastics have some market share too.
The thick airfoil isn't exactly inefficient, it simply is designed for rather low speed. That kind of airfoil in a delta usually offers very forgiving stall characteristings, which is great for the very short take off rails and small RATO unit they use to get those drones airborne. And it offers huge useful internal space and at the same time allows for an extremely simple, light weight wing spar. The wing design is almost perfect for the initial, piston powered Shahed. Especially when you consider that they had a wingspan limit because that drone is designed to fit unter the tarp of a standard semi truck. These things fly just below 200 km/h, which is perfectly fine for that kind of airfoil. For the jet powered variety it's quite far from being ideal because it has a lot of drag a high speed. If they are smart and under massive time pressure, they stick to the proven airframe and control system and add a really small jet engine that's maybe good for 300km/h. Using a bigger engine for more speed isn't efficient with that wing, it burns fuel for nothing. If time pressure isn't their no.1 issue, designing the thinnest possible wing that still houses the required amount of fuel is a way better option.
I love how you end every video the same way. Seriously. Not being sarcastic or flippant or whatever-I genuinely like that you end every video with “so that’s it for this video. I hope you found it interesting, and take care everybody.” It’s calmingly reassuring.
I reckon he he actually does care.
I agree completely!
You will notice in the reports about Russia's missile attacks recently that there is a lot of missiles that don't get shot down even when the casualties are low and this is most likely due to EW as well, Ukraine has been funding the production of thousands of EW systems which they have been placing all over the country and they seem to be very effective.
I believe United 24 has a video out about how Ukraine has surpassed Russia in the EW field 🤞
Would be about time, next we'll see the decline of effectiveness of small drones on the battlefield because of more prevalent jamming - I would hope Ukraine has the upper hand there as well until we can supply them with old fashion equipment in the quantities they need to keep on grinding the enemy down like they do now. Either way, things will change again this year, hopefully in the right direction.
@@Ganiscol if Ukraine didn't have the upper hand then they do now because recently 60 terabytes of info from the company that produces Russia's EW systems and Orlan drones was handed over to Ukraine in return for asylum for one of the main technicians, the reason that ukraine was able to hit those very important ports (leningrad and tuapse) with drones is because they are using radar jamming or spoofing drones, i know what it looks like and that its made by ukrjet but the only info that has been given is "it greatly improves the survivability of our aircraft", they said this because they also use it on the front line as well to keep their aircraft safe. It seems that Ukraine has the upper hand for now and hopefully Ukraine can keep the lead.
Rusia ya valió V3R64, sí está semana atacaron una de sus refinerías más grandes con drones en San Petenburgos.😂😂😂😂
Right on!
According to Denis Davydov's report today, the jamming devices used on these drones were supplied by the UK. That might help in identifying them.
I am sure the jammers have the codename Strawberry
you mean Denys the Deserter?
@@JuanSanchez-ik7wx Surely you're Juan Kerr?
@@JuanSanchez-ik7wx What did he do to deserve that? I quit watching him a year ago.
God bless the King.
UK are one of the best.
As a Brit it annoys the hell out of me that the Sh1thead Drones look like crappy RC Vulcans ;-)
Delta wings offer good stability, ŕange and capacity. (Brits aren't the only ones to use this - avro arrow, saab, McDonnel douglas...)
A Vulcan is featured in the James Bond movie "Thunderball." Always thought it looked cool.
@@larryclemens1850 Indeed, at least you got the joke :)
I've thought that same thing! 😅
I'm Canadian, but I remember the Vulcans from air shows when I was kid. I always loved the elegant and functional design.
Mate, did you think that the Iranians or Russians would have an original idea? (Or the Chinese for that matter.)
Seeing people standing by it gives us a true scale of the size of it 👍🏼🇬🇧🇺🇦
And that scale is why its not effective for the US to also go all in on drones.
When you have to ship your weapons across the planet, 1 cruise missile that can hit your target is better use of your logistics than having to ship 10 of these drones to hit the same target, because 9 of them will get shot down.
Also, the US doesn't have the option of simply slapping drone launchers on the backs of pickups - the US generally has to attack from aircraft or ships, and cheap simple dromes like this will subject the launch platform to far more risk than a more expensive and more capable weapon.
@@firstnamelastname8439 How many drones can you buy for a single cruise missile?
Drones are the future.
@@firstnamelastname8439 But if you can buy 1000 drones for the price of a cruise missile you can afford to lose some each time. A cruise missile only hits one target, even if it takes 10 drones to hit that same target you still have 990 left to hit another 99 targets, but if the first drone gets a lucky knock out you have 999 to use on other targets. from what I've seen on this channel they have been destroying oil refineries and storage, and military headquarters with no more than 4 drones which is much cheaper than using a cruise missile to do the same job.
@@peterebel7899 and the difference between drone and cruise missile is?.. =)
Bigger than I thought they were!
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Typically kept in the basement or in low light, always tinkering on something.
A really hopeless name given to smart people by dumb people to help them feel better.
Leads to treatment of people like Alan Turing and J Robert Oppenheimer.
@@chrisdebeyer1108 Alan Turing's mistreatment had more to do with homophobia tbh
As colonials, we don't hear that term very of5en. Cheers mate.
I never heard the term in us until I watched the Jimmy stewart movie
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All about boffins!
I never realized how big they were, either. If true that's outstanding if Ukraine has a lot of these jammers.
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when they are jammed they fall and when they fall they explode,, the sizes do not match also engines.. look another ucranica joke they are always lying to europe : deceivers--
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Elsewhere, it’s been suggested that the UK has given Ukraine electronic warfare equipment that was responsible for bringing these drones down. No idea if it’s true, just advising what I’ve heard elsewhere
The Ukrs would want that version to get out.
Now that's what I call a great "jam session"!
How do you like your missiles, "Withjamin".
I had no idea that those drones were that big they look so small Slava Ukraine
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Heroyam Slava !
size took me by surprise too.
Excellent!
I‘ve heard some rumors about Ukraine’s electronic warfare systems getting better to the point where they are able to intercept not just drones but also missiles. If this is to be true then that would be huge news since much less physical air defence is needed.
Did not know missiles were radio controlled
@@stefanth8596 Missiles [may] use GPS / Glonass / whatever.
As far as I understand, they will disrupt the satellite navigation of the missile, the missile will switch to inertial navigation and accumulate a significant deviation in the target. A clever solution, but suitable only for the protection of point targets (not area ones), such as an electrical substation in the fields for example.
@@jannovak7024 You can do slightly trickier things than just block the satellite reception too. Presumably these things navigate using GPS or GLONASS, including for their altitude information. It's quite easy at close range to overpower the signal being received from the sat constellation and if you know exactly what you're doing inject false data, tricking the drone into doing something it's not supposed to (eg crashing)
Thanks as always for your report, and for keeping the details quiet.❤
This is huge. Thanks for sharing this.
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Must be jazz musicians. They're good at jam sessions.
lol. Here's my favorite jazz singer in a jam session with her musicians ua-cam.com/video/80f3t3dmBbk/v-deo.html
Their artillery makes them quite heavy on percussion instruments.
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One of your best. Thank you
I'd like to hear if there are still western components being used in these
Does anybody else randomly gets unsubscribed from this channel?
Great reporting as always Suchomimus! Thanks for your reporting!
The dark one looks like an upside down 238 looking at vent locations compared to photographs.
Would be good if they could jam and control these so that they just turn around and return to sender
These are One way attack drones they do not know where they are launched from exactly
i wonder how much off the shelf electronics are inside them...
Close to 100% I think.
Imagine Ukrainian engineers open it up and just find a f*cking Rasberry Pi with some cheap IMUs badly soldered on
Does Iran have access to Western electronics since they are under sanctions. Back in the 1960s and 1970s, befor the Sha fell, Iranian electrical engineers were studying in the US. In theory, they could have developed their own technology.🤔
A couple of washing machine control boards, a Wi-Fi router (cheap one) and a late Soviet-era electronic alarm clock. ;)
@@katiehettinger7857As we've seen, sanctions only really stop _easily_ procuring what's needed. It's more symbolic, at least when it comes to certain things. They'll still acquire the things they need through third parties, or most likely even shell corporations.
Even if they had people capable of designing, I don't know if Iran has any semiconductor fabs to physically _create_ all the stuff they would need to build the electronics in these.
Nice of them to enhance the IR signature with a jet engine for the MANPADS.
You ain’t shooting down a jet powered drone swarm at night with a MANPAD. Maybe a $5 million PATRIOT missile. Which is the whole point.
Having seen the remains of one of these things up very close (ie hands on), the amount of cabling and wiring inside them is quite surprising - as is the poor 1950s style quality and type of connectors on the wiring. The one I saw had the central core remains of the propeller still attached - it was most definitely wood.
explain poor 1950s style quality?
I'm guessing they use actuators that are a bit more heavy duty and... rustic... than the high tech lightweight gear you'd see in the RC aviation hobby industry. Presumably this all uses beefier wiring and the perhaps slighly outdated hardware and construction techniques you'd imagine the Iranian designers and engineers are accustomed to.
@@jhonbus yeah I guess so, as long as it works I guess. Pretty sure that drone can lift 20kg or somewhere around that number.
Thank you for your videos man
no worries, thanks for watching
I hope they have or are working on a fairly portable one for the Lancets.
3 different. One dark grey with damaged nose in snow, one light grey and intact in snow, one dark grey and intact without snow.
The intact ones look like piston powered ones, look at that bumb on the extreme rear. The damaged one maybe is a jet powered one, laying upside down, but if I had to guess by the shape of the rear end, I'll rather go for a piston engined one laying upside down.
Not seeing the propeller probably is easy to explain. The engine mount doesn't appear to be the strongest. There are plenty of photos of shot down Shahed wrecks with their whole engine missing. From my RC modelling experience, deltas with rear mounted engine usually have a center of gravity issue. When you can't fully compensate by adding weight to the nose, you have to save weight at the rear end.
An interesting detail is that round device in the damaged one. Is that the warhead? If so, I'm surprised. I didn't think they would use a purpose built warhead for such a low cost design. I was expecting to find a modified grenade.
They are pretty large. Just as large as they can be to still fit inside a European standard truck. Wingspan should be just shy of 2,5 meters.
Yes, I too thought that there were 3 different drones here, one of which was a jet drone flipped updise down.
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Heroyam Slava !
Return to sender!!!!!
not tight lipped at all . in this instance drone jamming tech was from UK Glory to free Ukraine
Fantastic thanks again
Yikes! Nice catch. Lots of valuable information to be had.
Ooh, yeah
Well, alright
We're jammin'
I wanna jam it with you… ❤🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Hope you like jammin' too... ;)
Great work
Now we can have a full inspection of this "Perzzian-Ruzzian" colab.
Thank you good sir
I have question in head and you answered on screen lol 😂
Thanks again.
The men feel comfortable standing in groups next to the warhead.
In the treeline on the right side of the *no snow* clip, there is what looks like a vehicle with a pole mounted antenna....
good spot--I think that might be a radar. Looks a bit like the Giraffe radar
It'll be interesting to see where all the component parts come from....
House appliances.
❤ good work
It's a shame they cannot come up with "Return to Sender" software.
I am sure it will be studied in depth.
Heroyam Slava!
Awesome!!
The cat and mouse game will continue with counter counter measures but I am impressed. These Shahead don’t communicate they fly on their own so to get in there and kill power or such is difficult. For example if it has a little electronic spark ignition device you might fry that with a correct tuned pulse. Or toast the flight controls or even the servo motor. Yes people will scoff at the latter but I believe servos with wire pair can be set up to resonate as common mode and burn the output device. Once you have one in hand you can give it to an EMI team and they can establish multiple modes of attack. It would be a joy to work on that!
nice back to sender occasion...
Good stuff
I see Shiheds down at work everyday. Most customers are friendly though.
The no-snow picture unit may be upside down, obscuring the jet intake?
More likely the propeller obliterated it's self on crash landing, that's my experience for model aircraft. But still possible it could be the new one
@@reubenjackson7829 not more likely, just another possibility.
That is what I was going to post. Need a photo to see what side the pitot static is. The other in the corn, is with the horizontal two stroke engine. Best Dave
Didn't Such say this in the video?
AFAICT from the wing profile, no.
I'd bet they can rehab these and return to sender
Now we'll see how badly sanctions are working.
Everyone knows there easy to get around
@@EricDenton-ky2cb Not everyone. I doubt my neighbour would know.
Well there are almost 1500 sanctions in place, and Putin wouldn't have demanded they be lifted if they weren't working. Anyway, we'll see how things are in another 2 or 3 years.....
The drone comes from Iran are they going to apply sanctions to russia ?????????
In WWII the Germans used a Fritz X glide bomb to sink an Italian Battleship - when Italy changed sides. They then used them against the Americans off Anzio - until - the Americans figured out how to jam them.
This has always been the disadvantage of not having a pilot in the aircraft. It makes it susceptible to EW.
AI is less susceptible as it can be independent of control - but - then you're got something that is dumb as the box of rocks it is made from controlling the thing.
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Great success! 👍👍
Back in October the Aust government gave Ukraine 20 hand held drone capture weapons .
However just like the 5 slinger anti drone cannons not a peep from Ukraine to even say they arrived yet alone how they worked on the battleground
They were quite impressive at the field test days but that is different to real time use
Yes, it would be interesting to know, if they did their job or not.
That’s how Bob Marley liked his donuts with jam in
Return to sender
It might be that the drone landed upside down and the air Intake is facing the ground rather than the sky.
good point--could be the case
Great picture!
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Every time you say Shahed, I crack up knowing the very soft T in traditional English.
signficant development if it holds and they have enough capacity
This can’t be, the Iranians said they’re not sending drones to Russia. (Insert sarcasm)😂😂😂
Russians can produce drones on theiw own
For all we know the air intake could be towards the ground in the images.
Not gonna lie, that thing looks way bigger than I ever thought it was.
I honestly thought it was not much bigger than the size of a biggish bird.
The UK supplied Ukraine with some new tech 🇺🇦🇬🇧✌️
1:36 what if the drone is upside down? Is the air intake for the turbine engine simply hidden from view?
...and I bet those boffins are chuffed as hell they can dismantle some intact ones now to glean some important infos...
The propeller will many times break away when it hits the ground. The next one has the propeller still intact because it didn't hit the ground that way.
they can be reverse-engineered fast and manufactured to give the rookies the same medicine they were getting from them but in huge numbers, you can see from the size of the front of these drones that they are big and can really have a deadly punch I know there was a 25 Killo warhead that can do a lot of damage
One of the reasons the Allies won WWII, is that they were tight lipped about the capture of an enigma machine. They make sure the Germans won’t find out, so they can keep using it.
In WW2 they put out the story that eating carrots gave pilots very good vision, whist keeping the true reason secret - it was radar.
Getting some of these in tact so they can be examined will no doubt help them figure out how better to stop them. Plus they can study them and build their own versions.
Slava Ukraine
I’m relieved to see the donut shop is open!
You need to watch british forces updates and shorts on UK testing new anti drone weapons in Ukraine. You will find the reason 30 plus drones were bought down without even firing a shot this week.
The one not in snowy ground is 136 according by pitot tube on the middle of the wing.
War is a place where real products meet their real buyers.
It gets me, and is telling of the times we’re in, that downed ordnance in Eastern Europe is germane to a conflict in the Southern Red Sea.
The importance of being able to string down the shaved and understeer is vulnerabilities cannot be understated.
The size of the jaming device is not related to the size of the target. Electronics and radio waves just do what they do.
An intact recovery means that the exact operational digital codes and frequency can now be worked out dialled into the jammers, AND with more jamming energy to keep these things falling off the sky.
I’d love to see a jammer someday completely hack the targeting system of the drone and have it fly back to the launcher, wouldn’t that be a feat!!? 😂
The jammers will only get better after the autopsy’s are completed
f I owned a TV tower in Ukraine, I would be investing in cope cages. Im sure there is a DF app out there that could be useful for locking onto TV towers. TV towers could use Ultrasonic meters, that are currently used to measure power line heights, to spot incoming drones and fire protective devices when a solid object penetrates a certain distance. And optical distance measuring devices could also be used with the same protective devices. War brings innovations doesn't it?
Query. At least in a few of the stills, close to the rear trailing edge on the top of the drone there are what look to be (for lack of a better term) a series of "grab irons". Any idea what these are really?
0:30 I think they are separate drones. I could be wrong but i think the hills in the background look different, and the ground in the second pic is more at an angle like its more on the side of the hill they are on rather than more on top like in the first.
This is bawls!
Seems very solid manufacture, as the drone didn't disintegrate while falling down.
Sinister machines, specially knowing the origin.
Oooooo! Great job guys!!
The EW was recently donated by the UK I think because Rishi said he was going to send some EW capability to Ukraine.
If these drones are listening to any radio communications when in the air, it could be possible to now find exploits in their software stack and take over them mid-flight lol
Good video release Suchomimus. Tom.
the forward drum is the war head? is it just a bomb style or a shaped charge?
if you know how to electronically fool them it doesn't take a big device.
Holy cow these things are massive, I am just wondering what even is the advantage of the jet turbine variant since it definietly has lower efficiency and therefore smaller range compared to the prop version
Speed. No? And at higher altitude, it can cruise more efficiently with the jet.
@@death_parade Yeah, but don't they usually cruise at pretty low altitudes?
I guess it's faster and it's harder to shoot down. Also easier to be mistaken for missile.
Working near those Russian warheads must have been scary
The blades break in belly landings, even if the prop‘s only windmilling.