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I identify as vegan, haven't eaten any animal products in 2 years, but I still wear leather backpack daily that was bought as a gift for me years ago cause I'm too broke to just throw away a perfectly good quality backpack and buy a new one lol. The way I see it is the damage was already done and it would be wasteful to throw it away so I may aswell use it till its no good. Vegans discriminating other vegans for not being "perfect" despite them doing the absolute best they can, aren't helping the movement in my opinion.
Good point, the key is to not pay money towards animal products once you are vegan. If you've already got a leather backpack why would you bin it. Agreed
Cheekiest Clan What if you got leather from a thrift store? The person actually getting the leather and making things wouldn’t make the money (therefore wouldn’t be encouraged to make more things with leather) and you still get a good quality backpack, shoes, etc.
And what's more, as you said, you didn't by the backpack; you got it as a gift. So, at the very least, you're not *financially* supporting companies that haven't embraced vegan-friendly approaches to manufacturing their products, so I also don't personally see the issue with you holding onto it.
Agreed! I’ve been vegan for the same amount of time and I have a purse that is 100% genuine leather, that was gifted to me from a relative who has since passed away. I carry it occasionally (I don’t often carry a purse at all) and would never throw it away. The animal already gave it’s life and I don’t believe it would be honoring it to destroy it rather than utilizing it and it’s sacrifice, just because I have since become vegan after owning it.
@@Samuelwastaken but if you live in a place where vegetables and fruit don’t grow then I t has to be shipped in and that can get expensive and some might not be able to afford that.
@@SarahAnnJohnson Most of the time it's even cheaper than the home grown version. For example, look at bananas or even oranges. They are relatively cheap, even cheaper than an apple and only grow at tropical climates
Also Nikki and Tyra coming in with the true veganism. How can you be a true vegan against the mistreatment and exploitation of animals but not care about your fellow man?
@@casanova842 I don't remember which episode of Jubilee it was when one guy said he'd shoot a lion if it were going to eat a human child and everyone was like "But the lion has a right to live too!" I do think hunting for pleasure is twisted but when it comes to a human life vs animal life, the choice is pretty clear there, no matter what your attachment to the animal is, no matter how endangered it is. Human life always comes first, especially a baby's life because you don't know what he/ she might grow up to achieve.
"I spent three months in near the artic where you literally wouldnt be able to sustain yourself on a vegan diet?" "So they dont have any fruits or vegetables out there at all?" ......Boy you are out of your mind
richard is yet another example of the textbook “holier than thou” vegan. ignorant, extremely privileged, narrow minded, and shaming anyone who isn’t vegan, regardless of the circumstance. and they wonder why there’s such a bad stigma around veganism... thank you to elizabeth trying to show him a different perspective than his very narrow one.
If more vegans were like her, I think they'd have an easier and more successful time spreading their message! As opposed to being dogmatic and all-or-nothing about veganism. That really turns people off veganism.
It's possible to be vegan in those climates though. I know icelandic vegans lmao. I think it was necessary to make clear the distinction between those on susteinance diets who don't have access to more foods, and those who can go vegan but refuse to.
BANANAS ARE ACTUALLY GROWN ON ICELAND! Google "Banana production in Iceland". They stopped because the government removed import duties. That research took me literally 5 seconds.
brandon was LITERALLY quoting erin on that one episode where she dragged him down bc he didn’t know that some candies weren’t vegan lmaoooo i love his sarcasm
Worked for me, I was called a hippocrite for hating China for eating dog meat yet eating bacon and steak. We need to normalise changing mindsets upon learning new information.
@@lukeh8056 I love how the west sits on their high horses. Maybe you don't know but poverty is a real thing. Sometimes they have to eat stuff you find disgusting
100% agree. Shame doesn't breed healthy growth. I eat mostly vegan with my spouse and through us just having friends over and having potlucks and answering their curiosity many of our family and friends now look forward to and request our animal-free meals and even ask for recipes to incorporate into their rotation.
I appreciated Elizabeth's empathetic mindset and her understanding of the role privilege and circumstance can play in a person's ability to be vegan. Everyone else had a really interesting, valuable perspective too. Thanks for this!
Funny thing is, my food allergies dictate everything. One of the things I cannot eat is a yellow banana. I can only eat green bananas. Otherwise I get sick lol.
@@indiradahan might it be where they are grown or chemicals used? I knew a girl who was allergic to bananas and then she went to Hawaii and had no issues with the bananas therr
@@ariana_208 I always buy Organic. I seem to have a mystery illness where I cannot digest certain foods. I have been getting tests and we're all here still trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with me. I also have Celiac disease (hereditary) and Gerd.
Im so glad that girl mentioned food deserts, some people don’t have access to fresh fruits and vegetables. Some people have to travel 50 busses in order to get fresh produce. 6:00
The minority of people in the world live in food deserts. There are no factory farms. So who cares if they are vegan. There are not the problem. Lets stop finding excuses.
Dino Jäger some people have EASIER ACCESS to fresh produce where others are surrounded by convenience stores and markets that don’t specialize in selling fresh fruits and vegetables or veggie alternatives. But nice try.
There’s people that have never had a vegetable or fruit in their in life, because they’re parents never bought it. If you think about low-income households that are in food deserts, which is usually the case in the U.S., it becomes difficult for someone who works all day to go get produce. The resource near them/most convenient is all processed food.
Also, the most affordable products are usually the most unhealthy products. I tried to cut out dairy from my diet, it was difficult mostly because of my budget. Substitutions that are plant-based cost more money than the dairy products, usually.
Agreed, fruits like banana and apple are amazing snacks and side meal for breakfast but you can't live off them, since you can't live off bananas. Its a great way to start a morning but it isn't a meal.
I’m had a conversation similar trying to explain how in some areas it is just not sustainable and it drove me crazy I wanted to just scream they were already starving if they cut meat out of their diet they would die .some people are ignorant of the world around them I mean there’s a reason people evolved into being omnivores and people don’t shame animals from their diet .. there are many ways to be vegan and live ethically but thinking every environment in world is sustainable for strick veganism is vary ignorant.
@@minwellitsanicknamebegrate2531 IMO you should cut down meat consumption or eliminate it. But yeah in some places it's not possible at the moment. And they don't hunt that much anyway, climate change is what's endangering those species.
Lily Dawn they have this other show on their channel called odd man out and basically they had vegans on the show and they had to guess who wasn’t the vegan. A vegan name Erin was incredibly annoying and would try to discredit everyone by saying stuff like “that’s not vegan”
Elizabeth: I spend a time on the artic, *which is a food desert* , and there was no access to vegan food... Richard: but can't they eat like a banana or something?
@@KN-wl4vv I been thinking about the Fossil Fuel thing, and the Carbon Footprint. I feel like people pretty much ignore it existences and harm, pretty much Everyone use Delivery service, there's practically no one, not using it. I don't know how it got this much worst, with all the International delivery shipping, everyone is just burning resource more and more, while bragging about saving earth.
@@GradenVeEvel I hear you. Environment plays a big part in what products I buy (food, personal care products, etc.), but I'm definitely guilty of using delivery services and online shopping. I can't often afford to choose the more environmentally conscious option, but I'm making an effort to do that more often. I was vegan for 3 years. I used to live about 100 miles from the Arctic Circle. We had regular grocery stores, so it was easy to find vegan foods. Looking at the produce and plant-based meat alternatives and thinking of how far they had to travel to get there (and how much the prices were marked up as a result!), I found myself supplementing my diet with locally raised meat and eggs from a local butcher and friends. I also got a fishing license and a chest freezer and filled it up during fishing season. I think those were much better choices for my wallet, the environment, and the local economy at the time. Now that I'm back in a location where eating a plant-based diet is financially and environmentally reasonable, I find myself taking more and more animal products out of my diet. But the negative connotation of the word "vegan" has gotten so bad in the years since I called myself that, I doubt I'll ever label myself that way again.
@@wolferup I live in a Country that have Yearly Haze season, so it's an issue where people tend to ignore. Neighbouring Country of Indonesia would burn Tree to clear land for new Tree to be planted, it been a decade or more, no one really do anything to prevent them from burning.
I’m so shook “is it for convenience?” They’re literally telling you it’s almost impossible for you to find vegetable and fruit to survive on cause some places don’t have that luxury
I think the difference needs to be set clearly though. When she was talking about Icelandic villages, seh was referring to very small villages where people live off substeinance foods which include animal products due to issues with accesibility. That has nothing to do with the rest of the country, where you can easily be vegan. Most people can go vegan actually, you don't need any weird fancy products to have a healthy vegan diet. And for those who can't, it's an issue of accessibility, so it really is not their fault that they can't go vegan. Hope this makes sense.
Jaleigh Bass yeah. He keeps going on and on about theoretical but Ignores the realities. It’s easy to focus on diet when you aren’t worried about general safety and survival. Not to mention veganism takes some research and trial and error. It’s not like you just start eating plants and everything goes smoothly.
monemori she brought it up because they were talking about visiting other countries. You may visit a place but you can’t find recourses for vegan food there.
@@monemori most vegan ingredients are expensive. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's most definitely not a myth that lower class people, even in America cannot afford fruit and plants on a daily basis. It's just a fact.
If she wanted to explain veganism to me I would stop and listen as she seems to be a person who will not outwardly judge you if you aren't vegan. The blonde guy seems more like a radical vegan and I think I would feel quite intimidated and probably avoid him. He doesn't seem very approachable.
Just gave the two thousandth like! This is very true. I feel like she actually formed her opinions based on facts and AFTER she explored the world around her.
That isn’t relevant to most of society that’s like saying other forms of exploitation are not as regulated elsewhere so let’s partake in that form of exploitation anyways. She was talking about small villages thats such a strawman argument I’m pretty sure almost everyone in this comment section using a phone to comment does not currently live in a tiny village in the middle of no where.
Yes omg I couldn't handle him! "Like you're telling me there's not even a banana..." No Richard there are no bananas in the arctic circle, not everyone has access, resources, and education to be vegan.
Richard is truly living a lifestyle that is a privilege but doesn’t understand that it may not be accessible, affordable or sustainable for other people and that doesn’t make them bad people. The amount of privilege is astounding. He can’t even comprehend other people’s struggles or lifestyles. Also. Dont come for me. Im a vegan as well. Just damn man.
He irritated me from the first question. He's the reason people hate vegans. It's not the only option, and just because it's what he believes is right and easy, doesn't mean it is. It's the most ridiculously privileged "one size fits all" attitude
While is definitely a privilege to be able to choose what you eat, people use this argument where it doesn't even apply. Like they were talking about Iceland and how they couldn't live vegan, but there are plenty of Icelandic vegans. People tend to say not everyone can be vegan so I don't have to, but that makes no sense
@@rabbitholeryn "He is the reason people hate vegans." Apply this logic to other situations like "a black person did something I dislike so therefore I am racist"
You'd be surprised how many times you have to tell people what veganism is actually about. I pretty much have it memorized too purely because of how often I have to repeat it to people that don't understand veganism and think it's something that it's not.
as a vegan, when elizabeth was talking about personal experiences of spending time in a food desert, the way richard kept trying to invalidate her experience was annoying to me. he wasn’t listening to anyone, he was just waiting for his turn to talk. she was clearly only speaking on things she was educated on, and instead of hearing her point of view, he just shut her out and implied that she wasn’t being truthful. he talked about “abusing our own ignorance”, and yet, abuses his own when it comes to anything he didn’t agree with lol.
Well, sure, it would be annoying, but she was actually incorrect and not educated. It is absolutely no problem to sustain a vegan diet in Iceland (I live there).
She talked about specifically villages where access to fruits and vegetables is harder. The climate doesn't allow for it. I agree. I felt like he was wrong for that
As a vegan I agree he was extremely rude and ignorant when she was speaking but I feel like she was far off about what she was saying. There’s no way those people had 0% fruits and veggies in their diet or they would have major health concerns all around. I live in an area some people might consider a food desert (which of corse I will not disclose) but the when I go in the little bitty gas station / food mart the one section they do have have is the produce. And some people don’t have it as bad as me I understand that but I think she was a bit off in saying that. Again that doesn’t make how he approached her correct.
i think you can be vegan and eat sometimes like idk chocolate its not a club where u have to follow the rules... its something u do for youself and the animals
Billy Da Squid Plus she honestly seems so open minded, non judgemental, and doesn’t push them on people. Ye she lives by example and seems to educate without seeming like she is belittling ppl
Which vegans are forcing being vegan onto others? None... y'all just prefer if vegans are quieter so you don't have to consider the moral implications of your actions as often.
@@spaghetti1383 people like richard are forcing it to others and also: moral implicatons? Sorry i am not gonna stop eating meat because someone said meat sucks. Humas have been eating meat since our exsistence. I am not gonna chanhe that. Also fruits are living creatures and everyone still consumes them isn't that wrong aswell then?
Logan Hargrove no everyone has a voice and should be heard. I myself am not vegan but I’m open to the experience when I have time and money to do my research. I’m saying that Elizabeth set the perfect example of not only leading by example but understanding that not everyone shares the same views. I’m not encouraging meat eating nor am I encouraging veganism. I’m just saying ELIZABETH did a spectacular job giving her POV and so did everyone else. I just like what she had to say a bit more. I respect Richard as well for his strong stance on it. With out him being as grounded as he was we wouldn’t see the complexity of the aurguement. He made a fair and just argument and wasn’t as annoying as most people think. I just believe to get people to get curious in your lifestyle you have to lead by example.
@Turbo_Turlet cant speak for all countries; but there are many fresh fruits in South America that are not safe to eat. Even the water is not safe. Many get lucky & there are many who don't. If you're going to a small village(who doesn't have food imported) they will not always have vegan options. It's not about excuses. It's reality.
@Turbo_Turlet But you cannot survive solely on highly expensive imports. They aren't *just* eating meat and animal products/biproducts in those areas, but it is a part of their diet due to necessity.
I've lived in Iceland as well, last year, and it is safe to say that there absolutely are vegan options. HOWEVER, the price range is insane and the different between meat and vegetables is insane. You can't grow anything on Iceland, exept in the greenhouses. Also the icelandic (and eg. Greenlandic) culture about meats and food is very different from what the people in the video are used to ;-)
That shouldn’t have effected her standing on that . No vegan lives in the Arctic circle lmao . She’s like when if your in a remote village then that’s fine . This is about your normal average everyday vegan . Most of these people were coming up with outrageous excuses .
As much as I loooooooove Elizabeth, I want to say that I really respect Shawn as he might have been the only person to change his mind and move based on someone else's explanation, and he did it twice.
The girl with the jeans jacket is how I wanna be in the future, she’s so understanding and not trying to force her beliefs on anyone, currently im vegetarian and going vegan soon
@@womp9465 Ya in that case id rather be a vegetarian. No offense to vegans and their beliefs but I'd rather do that because I'd want to increase my food supply because there are certain nuntrients you need to survive
I feel like I especially respect & admire Nikki & Elizabeth, them talking about their personal experiences, as well as being realistic about it. How you can’t always be vegan in certain circumstances & that’s okay or how it’s best to lead by example, it’s very important
Nobody is perfect, accidents happen, you can have non accommodating friends and watch them eat meat without you having taken part in that animal’s suffering BUT making any conscious decision to consume animal products is not vegan. I know vegans who buy vegan cars only, they’re not better humans than others but the options are out there... I mean you don’t need to have a bike, you don’t need those sneakers that are in, you don’t need a leather wallet. I think only medical exceptions are valid...
@@DM-1111 Certainly not everyone can afford a car- a bike is the best option of transport for many many people. It's people like you that are the reason meat eaters think vegans are crazy extremists. Not everything has to be 100% or nothing.
Asari Archie I’m not vegan I’m vegetarian but I have many vegan friends who are some of the nicest people I know. I have omni friends who are also wonderful people. You take immediate offense by what I’m saying without considering there are alternatives. You could probably buy a bike second hand without directly benefiting the bike leather seat industry lol you can buy an old car that is already vegan. Did you know some Subaru’s are leather free and this vegan? Most cars are almost accidentally vegan with the exception of the leather around the stick shift. Someone who is passionate about veganism will go the extra mile to find out where their money is going. You don’t need to get offended by this.
Yeah, hopefully they all remember that they weren't vegan at some point (I'm assuming) so if you're too pushy or judgy about others, you're not helping them become vegan, if you want them to be.
Elizabeth is incredible. Not only is she super stunning and beautiful 😍 but she also seems like such a really great and understanding person that you would love to be around and spend time with. I love her
When people it's constantly asking about your lifestyle, you have to study so you can answer. If I got a dollar for every person that asked what veganism is I would be in Paris lol
Ikr, like yes Richard, fruits and vegetables grow in over abundance in the permafrost and the ice up in the arctic circle. Oh and they grow even better during the winter when the sun literally doesn’t come above the horizon for months at a time!
Jack K And you think someone can live their life on jelly and jam? No one is saying a fully meat based diet is the best for your health, but there really aren’t reasonable alternatives. Also, yes there are many vegan Alaskans, but there’s also a big difference between the most populated areas of Alaska, which are well developed cities where people have access to all the fruits and veggies they want, and small villages in the arctic circle, where it may be impossible to get those goods.
Tevin Lionel I think he forgot how plants work...obviously it can’t grow there if it isn’t a tree 🌲 that has the ability to grow out there. I know in certain cold climates you can eat pine nuts...but in other countries vegan or vegetarian diets aren’t sustainable.
@Jack K yeah there's flowering plants that are edible in the arctic circle, but if you think people living in the tundra are going to be able to sustain themselves on the ultimately meagre amount of local plants and the incredibly brief growing season, you're quite misguided. shopping isn't necessarily an option either. read about Food Security in Nunavut and you'll understand why. yeah vegans visiting have an alright time in the arctic, but what about the people who live there year round? i'm sure they aren't living on 10 dollar heads of lettuce and 20 dollar canteloupes. hunting for sustenance is integral to survival in canada and alaska's arctic. in order to survive anywhere that isn't a massive centre like anchorage you better hope to have deep pockets to survive on a vegan diet let alone an omnivorous one.
@Abel Abel Anyone claiming to be vegan is just a virtue signaling liar. Ever stop to think people would stop making fun of liars if they stopped lying?
Small villages with no food are not most of society thats a straw-man argument. If someone lived in a small village in the middle of no where then how would they even have access to phones or computers to watch this video? Most of society isn’t living like that. I’m a broke immigrant and i’m vegan.
Richard is the kind of vegan that I was 6 years ago when I started... I deterred people even further away from the idea of veganism because I was so militant and aggressive. When I became more like Elizabeth, people suddenly wanted to hear what I had to say.
Yeah well it's hard to not be militant when you're educated about the violence of the industry and yet those around you continue to be ignorant and wasteful.
*literally* everyone. from the conservatives (for probably the wrong reasons), to the moderates and liberals, to the queer leftists (like myself). You just absolutely dont get by in life by shaming people into following your cause
@@s2sHoXXs2 *from the conservatives (for probably the wrong reasons)* *You just absolutely dont get by in life by shaming people into following your cause* Hmm ...
I'm glad Elizabeth (the woman in the jean jacket) spoke about Perspectives according to other countries. While I was an exchange student in Japan, one of my friends who is Vegan struggled to find foods in some resturaunts when we decided to go out. Even when it came to some boba and coffee shops. Some of the 'vegan' options still had broth or animal products rather than plant based. People around the world have different 'vegan' or 'vegetarian' options. India would be safer option compared to America when it comes to these. I'm surprised within the first question they never mentioned Hinduism sects and other religion/faith that have vegan diets.
Then you do your best to eat as little as is possible... saying "fvck it, its not possible to be completely vegan, so I might as well just eat this steak" is the actions of someone purposely being disingenuous . Plus meat is a luxury and costs FAR more than nonmeat foods FACTUALLY.. so its kind of ridiculous to continue on the debate path of third world country this, privilege that, etc
I was bullied since going vegetarian in 2014, and I hardly talked about it. People would put nuggets in my face and say all sorts of terrible things to me. Of course the words spoken to me were even more harsh after going full in vegan. People like you hate vegans and don't even think about how we feel
@@jojobeanstudio1339 I'm chill bro. If you wanna be you that's fine. It's your body so I can't tell you what to be or what to eat. Hope you have a great life!
I’m whole food plant based. I make an exception for holidays, but family and friends have been very accepting if I bring food when I stay at their houses. I don’t expect people to accommodate to my dietary needs. If we go out then you can usually substitute or remove.
It bugs me when vegans are so offended by those doing “meatless Monday” or other variations of incorporating more plant based meals. Even just making the decision to be plant based for 50-75% of your meals can make a huge impact on your carbon footprint and other positive factors. Discouraging people trying to do better isn’t productive.
I'm vegan and I think meatless Monday's and any kind of reduction in meat or dairy consumption is amazing!! I think most vegans feel the need to convert people to veganism but I don't as I know veganism isn't for everyone and it's just completely unrealistic to think the whole world is going to go vegan. I instead focus more on how meat eaters can cut down by having one meat free day a week and still make a huge difference. Doing things like meatless mondays or choosing dairy alternatives are great. I see this as something way more achievable than trying to force people to go vegan and the result for the animals and the environment are great. 😊
GIRL IN THE DENIM JACKET let me tell you now. I love you, just because for once someone shares my point of view to not force someone to do something like that.
@Abel Abel one of my friends, her old friends pressured her into staying vegan else they would have abandoned her. She didn't have tons of friends back then and she didn't wanna lose them, they shamed her if they found out she had eaten just a small piece of meat. My friend became anorexic after that, so I guess, YAY ALL VEGANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
@Abel Abel My friend has thankfully overcome that, but she has learned to love meat because of her culture, she loves cooking, and nope, not all vegans are good people, also being a vegan doesn't make you any better, I see nothing with eating animals except when it comes to extreme cases like them being kept im cages for all their lives
@Abel Abel also, just because of your ethical view does it justify you telling pwople they can't eat meat? There's nothing wrong with that except with the examples I gave earlier
_"If you care about me as a person, how could you not change one meal."_ Just imagine how offended Richard would feel if one of his friends said that to him, yet, it's his expectation, or rather his *challenge,* to those around him. _My_ "challenge" to Richard is to live in a 20-person village in the Arctic for three months, with no greenhouse, to gain a better understanding of what "food desert" _really_ means. I'm assuming he'll jump at the chance to stop "...abusing [his] own ignorance."
Idk if love at first sight is a thing but now I know dislike at first sight is a thing And that means I learned something so in a way I'm thankful to him
Soul Ikarus nope. People can delude themselves into thinking they love animals, while contributing to their torture, rape, exploitation and death by eating them but that doesn’t make them any less hypocritical and morally frail.
Richard: "We have to research our choices and can't be willfully ignorant" Richard 5min before: "Are you saying bananas don't grow in the arctic circle?"
the reality is that veganism is actually a privilege. That's why it's seen mostly in North america and not as much other places where there is genuinely a lack of resources. Some people are lucky to just get any food at all! I doubt they're paying attention to where it comes from. I get to be vegetarian because I live in Canada! but he doesn't get that it's not always that simple
also, richard is coming from a VERY privileged point of view. you can tell that he’s thinking from a very first world country perspective. this is what turns people off to veganism. im a vegan as well, and i feel like this is such an extremist way of thinking.
I'M 100% sure he's middle-upper class guy who can study and afford a lot of stuff. He acts likes eating meat or wearing leather or knowing about what items contains what is supposed to be common knowledge... He needs a reality check that not everyone are as well off as him. EX: 99% of people in third world countries.
I agree with you. It’s not hard to understand that in cold weather like Iceland, it’s nearly impossible to grow vegetables and fruits. It’s literally 3rd grade science. I also do not think there’s a “perfect vegan”. I am using a phone to type this out and in order to charge my phone, I am still using some type of fuel that is causing harm to our environment. He just can’t accept that. Every vegan tries their best to be ethical and environmentally friendly as possible.
I don't think he's that extreme, probably too strict in the arctic case. And I'm a vegan as well, I'm from a developing country. There's very little vegan products here, so it's a bit inconvenient. But when I accept the ethical arguments for veganism, then it logically follows that my inconveniences don't trump animal suffering in any way. There might be an exception for some people who truly can't afford a vegan diet. But in most cases, people just use these rare cases to justify their lifestyle when they themselves are not in those situations.
The fact is that most people in Western societies can make the switch to veganism. Obviously not every single person on the planet has the access to be vegan, but most do. Usually the people who can make the switch are the ones to talk about privilege. If you don't live in a food desert, then why not make the switch?
He knew what it meant a, people just like to use that excuse. Nobody is gonna attack someone in a survival situation for not eating a certain way. That’s totally different. We’re saying, people who claim to be vegan( who tend to be people who have the freedom of choice to eat whatever they want) can’t call themselves vegan if they intentionally buy animal products despite not needing to. Those are the people that question is for, not someone starving in a 3rd world country.
People from Iceland who are like "I live here it's great to be vegan" well very good for you, doesn't mean it's the exact situation in all of Iceland... She mentioned a very specific example and I think it's important to acknowledge those exist. Do they have produce? Sure. Is it sustainable and nutritious to only eat those? Probably not. We don't know her specific situation so it's unfair to just invalidate it because you live in Iceland and are having a great time being vegan.
When he said meatless Monday’s don’t count.... people are atleast trying, not eating meat or animal products for a whole day helps the environment A LOT
Right?? My brothers and my entire family eat meat and consume dairy multiple times a day, we were raised on animal products and it’s apart of our Nigerian culture. There’s no way we could all go cold turkey to veganism, just like anything else, it takes a slow and steady adjustment to make it work
As a vegan who started out as a flexitarian, who ate meat like once every 2 weeks I can confirm that taking it steady is the right way to test out the waters (and you'll get used to it better!), but eating meat 6 times a week is still way too much, unnecessary and super lazy, regardless of your culture if you live in a first world country. That's my opinion tl;dr Your culture doesn't matter if you live in a westernized country, you're just looking for an excuse to eat meat. Anyone can go vegan/vegetarian.
Thank you. Like I as someone raised in a family where dinner was not dinner without meat, am trying to drop meat from my meals a few nights a week and am being very selective as to where the meat I buy comes from. Decreasing demand on a product even if it's small dose create a need for the farms to shrink their output to balance profit.
And he thinks that everyone else is ignorant when they don't know everything about veganism😂 It's basic knowledge to know that in the arctic it is almost impossible to grow something😂
@@str8gigachad124 Netherlands isn't that cold tbh😂 I live in Estonia (Next to Russia and Finland) where it's much colder. I have no idea about the climate names in English but we live in an area where in the winter it is usually between - 5°C to sometimes even - 20°C. (In the summer it's quite warm about 20-30°C usually). It is easy to grow potatos, carrots, apples, beans and so on, but in the Arctic the soil is usually frozen and cold so it is almost impossible to grow such things, also there are polar days and polar nights which make it even tougher.
@@str8gigachad124 plus the cost of the transportation for things like juices, vegetables, fruits and so on (also building materials) is really high in the Arctic
*RICHARD is an example of a VEGAN ELITIST* He’s the reason why we are being hated or misjudged, *THANK YOU ELIZABETH* FOR REPRESENTING THE VEGAN COMMUNITY VERY WELL. Open minded and shares REALISTIC and different perspectives.
He gives vegans a bad name because of his smugness. And the most messed up thing is, if he stopped thinking with his emotions and acting like eating a burger is the same as cannibalism, then he wouldn't be getting ripped apart in the comments.
I agree Iceland probably would be a bit of an exception but developing places such as Africa, most of their staple foods are vegan, grains, beans, ect. Because they are so cheap.
I'm from Venezuela, a country that is literally starving, it's difficult to afford/find food and medication...and this guy is here telling me I should eat "fruit and vegetables"
So you will know that all the cheapest foods available are vegan? pasta, rice, veg, fruit, beans, legumes, nuts... and the most expensive foods are meats and dairy products? So why exactly is it more expensive?
@@cheekiestclan5668 Amigo...your answer shows me you know absolutely nothing about Venezuela. I don't mean to be disrespectful, I just invite you to read. I will tell you that I haven't eaten an apple since 2015. We eat what we can find and out of the things we can find, we eat what we can afford.
Yeah... God be with you , i wish i could help with anything but it's also a big Global Issue in many countries... i hope everything is okay 😁... this dude is just Narrow Minded he pretty much thinks about himself Only & Blames himself.
@@cheekiestclan5668 I'm not well versed on the Venezuelan topic. But from what I watched, people were struggling just to get rice to eat. So maybe think a little outside of your bubble. Thanks
My husband is from a Third World country and he says this all the time - it really bothers him actually having really suffered in poverty - he says that the problem with American veganism is that Americans most of them have never known actual poverty or hunger and so veganism has become an elite position only accessible to privileged Americans. If you live in a Third World country where all you have to eat is a chicken or you will die you aren’t going to be vegan. To be philosophical about your food is an incredibly privileged position to take and we should all acknowledge that privilege.
To some degree but that’s a terrible example to compare low income Americans to a Third World country unless they live in California then I understand.
India was a third world country and has highest percentage of vegetarians and vegans whereas are next door neighbor pakistan and China have almost 95 percent of non vegetarian population. So your point doesn't make sense. Humans diet depend a lot on religion, ethical issues, personal choices.
Your husband is just not educated , sorry to say, no offense... its MUCH cheaper to eat beans compared to meat. People just dont want to do that.. has LITERALLY nothing to do with ANY functional issues of money, priviledge, etc
I like denim jacket girl. She doesn’t force her belief she wants to be a positive example EDIT: This is probably the most responses I’ve ever gotten to a comment on UA-cam ever.
I get that but back when slavery was a thing we ended up forcing people to stop owning slaves. And I’d argue it was good that we forced people to stop. You shouldn’t get a choice if their is a victim involved who doesn’t get a choice. We don’t get the choice to murder or enslave humans do we? So we shouldn’t get the choice to murder animals for 2 minutes of taste pleasure. Where is the animals choice?
Adam Ayre I really wish people in our community stop spreading words like yours. Comparing eating meat to murder & slavery is exactly what pushes people away from veganism. “Let me introduce you to this great new lifestyle, but first I’ll tell you how disgusting your current one is.” Shame never works.
Allie P. You know comparing two different things doesn’t mean you are saying that they’re the same you know? And I’m sorry but it is the same, do the animals see it any different?
I love Elizabeth, she's super knowledgeable and if it is an option to be more environmentally friendly she will take it, and thats what veganism is also so much about, she knows her stuff!!! I like her :)
Turbo_Turlet most people who have been subscribed to jubilee know about the other video about veganism that had Erin in it. Every odd man out episode since then has had multiple comments where you insert a quote from that specific episode then follow up with “Erin: that’s not vegan”. Seeing a non odd man out episode that had to do veganism guaranteed that comments about Erin were inevitable regardless of if she was in the video or not. She’s like a meme only jubilee fans know about. They even made a joke about it in the episode itself where Brandon says “that’s not vegan at the beginning”. Erin is very much alive in spirit in this episode without being physically present
a vegan diet does not equate to "privilege". In many countries where poverty is a major issue, for example India, the people live mostly vegan or vegetarian due to poverty. You're also forgetting that some of the cheapest foods in the world are plant-based. This includes beans, rice, legumes, fruits, vegetables. No one said you have to buy the expensive meat alternatives. Those exist mainly for people who are transitioning to a plant-based diet / lifestyle for convenience.
When people say “I hate vegans”, they are not talking about vegans, they’re talking about Richards. Edit: you guys have to chill the fuck out cause I was literally making a joke. Peace out.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣!!!! Y'all make me sick lol.
bruh we used the “that’s not vegan” joke so much they done threw it back at us
I know I laughed out loud
Loved that Erin reference
(I also said that aloud)
and I like how they got Brandon to say that ahah😂 0:02
I laughed too loudly at this one lol
That is the nature of, and why I hate, memes.
That's not vegan
I identify as vegan, haven't eaten any animal products in 2 years, but I still wear leather backpack daily that was bought as a gift for me years ago cause I'm too broke to just throw away a perfectly good quality backpack and buy a new one lol. The way I see it is the damage was already done and it would be wasteful to throw it away so I may aswell use it till its no good. Vegans discriminating other vegans for not being "perfect" despite them doing the absolute best they can, aren't helping the movement in my opinion.
Good point, the key is to not pay money towards animal products once you are vegan. If you've already got a leather backpack why would you bin it. Agreed
Cheekiest Clan
What if you got leather from a thrift store? The person actually getting the leather and making things wouldn’t make the money (therefore wouldn’t be encouraged to make more things with leather) and you still get a good quality backpack, shoes, etc.
And what's more, as you said, you didn't by the backpack; you got it as a gift. So, at the very least, you're not *financially* supporting companies that haven't embraced vegan-friendly approaches to manufacturing their products, so I also don't personally see the issue with you holding onto it.
Agreed! I’ve been vegan for the same amount of time and I have a purse that is 100% genuine leather, that was gifted to me from a relative who has since passed away. I carry it occasionally (I don’t often carry a purse at all) and would never throw it away. The animal already gave it’s life and I don’t believe it would be honoring it to destroy it rather than utilizing it and it’s sacrifice, just because I have since become vegan after owning it.
Heck yes ashlyn.
They should put Erin and Richard together, I wanna see if they’d get along or try to 1 up each other on how vegan they are
And Aubrey from the Middle Ground episode. Also horrible
The room would probably implode by all the political correctness
@I'MSoDEprESedAndQUiRKy the vegan vs. meat eaters one. Seems like they haven't made a vegan video without their being that one obnoxious person
Who is Erin lmao
Megan Murphy she’s from the “6 vegans vs. 1 secret meat eater” video
“They can’t like grow vegetables there?”Richard it’s the Arctic.
Seriously.
He’s probably never left LA, he doesn’t know humans live all over the world
Food doesnt have to be home grown
@@Samuelwastaken but if you live in a place where vegetables and fruit don’t grow then I t has to be shipped in and that can get expensive and some might not be able to afford that.
@@SarahAnnJohnson Most of the time it's even cheaper than the home grown version. For example, look at bananas or even oranges. They are relatively cheap, even cheaper than an apple and only grow at tropical climates
"The way I try to promote my diet is by being an example, and not by forcing it" - sis gets it
Georgia Wilcock yess 👏👏
Also Nikki and Tyra coming in with the true veganism. How can you be a true vegan against the mistreatment and exploitation of animals but not care about your fellow man?
Social Purgatory twisted thinking. People also put dogs above humans. I love dogs but I can see there is a clear difference.
This!
@@casanova842 I don't remember which episode of Jubilee it was when one guy said he'd shoot a lion if it were going to eat a human child and everyone was like "But the lion has a right to live too!"
I do think hunting for pleasure is twisted but when it comes to a human life vs animal life, the choice is pretty clear there, no matter what your attachment to the animal is, no matter how endangered it is. Human life always comes first, especially a baby's life because you don't know what he/ she might grow up to achieve.
WHEN HE SAID “UH THAT’S NOT VEGAN” AHHH. did erin diiiirty
Unfunny, corny ass, overused joke for the win.
Damien Lu rude ass
Erin lmaooo
Damien Lu somebody’s angry
when did he say that?
“That’s not vegan” this line will never leave the comments section of jubilee
Bruh
0:01
Mia yes me
@@Cedevakal do you know now?
i know they even said it at the beginning of the video 😂
People: are homeless and poor
Richard: stop making excuses
I literally just laughed out loud ,🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dude was just absolutely ridiculous
He is not saying that you are homeless or poor you can’t eat animal products, you just can’t call yourself vegan.
@@bozinoski he is also shaming anyone who isnt vegan
Right, because homeless and poor eat expensive cuts of meat and not cheaper food like legumes and cereals. Fuck logic.
They really said “that’s not vegan” at the beginning huh
Erin's impact! we stan
meta as hell
So funny I forgot to laugh.
He did it for the memes
greta Erin is shook
"I spent three months in near the artic where you literally wouldnt be able to sustain yourself on a vegan diet?"
"So they dont have any fruits or vegetables out there at all?" ......Boy you are out of your mind
Boy have you lost your mind because I’ll help u find it
@@Jordan-xq5rk Ok you go find plants in the artic
Darren Russell in what possible way could you interpret my comment in the way that u did wtf I’m literally quoting the office
Erin: "why am I not in this video?"
Richard: "I got you sis"
Basically
BYEE😭😭
Yes I did!
We should stop this. This is essentially online bullying
@@shikuang6168 stop being so sensitive
richard is yet another example of the textbook “holier than thou” vegan. ignorant, extremely privileged, narrow minded, and shaming anyone who isn’t vegan, regardless of the circumstance. and they wonder why there’s such a bad stigma around veganism... thank you to elizabeth trying to show him a different perspective than his very narrow one.
@Abel Abel what does that have anything to do with the comment lmfao
@Abel Abel it was ad hominem. That's what's wrong with it.
@Abel Abel You already have a disease, and it's not COVID.
I feel you're projecting
@Abel Abel Are you christian?
the girls in a denim jacket seems like the kindest person in the world
Possibly because she has traveled all over the world so she has a better understanding of things.
She was in the Erin odd man out episode
yes! I loved how calm she was:)
Yup she is actually informed
If more vegans were like her, I think they'd have an easier and more successful time spreading their message! As opposed to being dogmatic and all-or-nothing about veganism. That really turns people off veganism.
no ones talking about the “that’s not vegan” joke they made at the beginning
That's not vegan
I was looking for this comment lmao
RIGHT? That was so clever 😂
Sour patch kids? ok those aren't vegan.
The best part about it was it was from the guy that Erin said it to.
that girl was literally living in the arctic circle and this dude expects her to find fruits and vegetables lmao
Hannah A clearly he gets his information about being vegan from peta and the internet
It's possible to be vegan in those climates though. I know icelandic vegans lmao. I think it was necessary to make clear the distinction between those on susteinance diets who don't have access to more foods, and those who can go vegan but refuse to.
@@Defender_messenger sounds about right lol
@@monemori that's true but this guy didn't know how she was living that's all
BANANAS ARE ACTUALLY GROWN ON ICELAND!
Google "Banana production in Iceland". They stopped because the government removed import duties.
That research took me literally 5 seconds.
brandon was LITERALLY quoting erin on that one episode where she dragged him down bc he didn’t know that some candies weren’t vegan lmaoooo i love his sarcasm
the best part is that those candies are vegan.
@@megansart9763 Yes, Erin just simply came to him without a reason.
@@SamuelRoth-ke5rl Erin, why are you here?
@@SamuelRoth-ke5rl finally someone said it
You do not turn people into vegans by attacking them and making them defensive. That's for sure.
Worked for me, I was called a hippocrite for hating China for eating dog meat yet eating bacon and steak.
We need to normalise changing mindsets upon learning new information.
Luke H Dog meat shouldn’t be eaten anyways
@@lukeh8056 I love how the west sits on their high horses. Maybe you don't know but poverty is a real thing. Sometimes they have to eat stuff you find disgusting
@@jboever85 do you eat the meat of other species?
100% agree.
Shame doesn't breed healthy growth. I eat mostly vegan with my spouse and through us just having friends over and having potlucks and answering their curiosity many of our family and friends now look forward to and request our animal-free meals and even ask for recipes to incorporate into their rotation.
*conversation about food desert and villages with hardly any food*
Richard: There isn't a BEAN???
I appreciated Elizabeth's empathetic mindset and her understanding of the role privilege and circumstance can play in a person's ability to be vegan. Everyone else had a really interesting, valuable perspective too. Thanks for this!
Right she seems like such an understanding and wise / experienced person. I really liked her this ep!
everyone except richard
Me : in the middle of the north pole eating fish
Richard: omg how could. Like wtf eat a banana or something gosh
I bet you’re healthier than Richard
Funny thing is, my food allergies dictate everything. One of the things I cannot eat is a yellow banana. I can only eat green bananas. Otherwise I get sick lol.
@@indiradahan might it be where they are grown or chemicals used?
I knew a girl who was allergic to bananas and then she went to Hawaii and had no issues with the bananas therr
@@ariana_208 I always buy Organic. I seem to have a mystery illness where I cannot digest certain foods. I have been getting tests and we're all here still trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with me. I also have Celiac disease (hereditary) and Gerd.
@@ariana_208 might be the species of bananas.
Im so glad that girl mentioned food deserts, some people don’t have access to fresh fruits and vegetables. Some people have to travel 50 busses in order to get fresh produce.
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The minority of people in the world live in food deserts. There are no factory farms. So who cares if they are vegan. There are not the problem. Lets stop finding excuses.
Dino Jäger some people have EASIER ACCESS to fresh produce where others are surrounded by convenience stores and markets that don’t specialize in selling fresh fruits and vegetables or veggie alternatives. But nice try.
There’s people that have never had a vegetable or fruit in their in life, because they’re parents never bought it. If you think about low-income households that are in food deserts, which is usually the case in the U.S., it becomes difficult for someone who works all day to go get produce. The resource near them/most convenient is all processed food.
Also, the most affordable products are usually the most unhealthy products. I tried to cut out dairy from my diet, it was difficult mostly because of my budget. Substitutions that are plant-based cost more money than the dairy products, usually.
Its hard to find beans, rice, potatoes, corn etc and they are very expansive. Your right.
Richard: *exist*
Erin: now that’s vegan
Cheyenne Alexa That’s hysterical!!!!!!!! 😂
OMG FULL CIRCLE
LMAOOO
AHAHAHAHA IM DYING.
They are both annoying af
Richard: *speaks*
Erin: Now that's vegan!
HABHAHABBAHA
A match made in vegan XD
😂😂
haha omg
bro said "you can't get a banana or something?" lmao wtf somebody gonna do with a banana? people need their calories
Agreed, fruits like banana and apple are amazing snacks and side meal for breakfast but you can't live off them, since you can't live off bananas. Its a great way to start a morning but it isn't a meal.
I feed my bananas to my goats, they love them. They can't live off bananas either even though they are herbivores.
you live in the arctic? just eat a banana 🙄
It’s like $15 US for a banana in those climates anyway
Richard: *exists*
Erin: Finally a worthy opponent. Our battles will be legendary.
Hahaha!
Rachel the Great 💀💀💀 my lord they would be best friends but even better opponents
I’m kinda sad I get that reference 😂
who is Erin?
@@wiamhaddani She’s a monster. Look up the Vegan Odd Man Out.
Girl: I was near the arctic circle for 3 months.
Guy: There's no bananas?
I love how she shut him down ..
I’m had a conversation similar trying to explain how in some areas it is just not sustainable and it drove me crazy I wanted to just scream they were already starving if they cut meat out of their diet they would die .some people are ignorant of the world around them I mean there’s a reason people evolved into being omnivores and people don’t shame animals from their diet .. there are many ways to be vegan and live ethically but thinking every environment in world is sustainable for strick veganism is vary ignorant.
@@minwellitsanicknamebegrate2531 IMO you should cut down meat consumption or eliminate it. But yeah in some places it's not possible at the moment. And they don't hunt that much anyway, climate change is what's endangering those species.
I'd eat human if I had to. Vegans would the first if there was any meet on there bones, granted there bines can be used for tools and liver isn't bad
Yeah that's crazy. If I were only eating fruits and vegetables, I'd be like a panda, eating all the time. Eating would be like my new full-time job.
“So in places like the Arctic meat is critical to survival”
Richard: but isn’t there a bean in the Arctic???!
🤦🏼♀️
It’s common knowledge that a banana, apple, or a bean can sustain you for at least a year.
Cesar Perez IM SCREAMING 🤣
@@cesrperez But in the Arctic?
Lmao he does not realize how expensive produce is anywhere up north
a vegan: i'm at the north pole and there's no wholefoods. what should i do?
richard: starve
lol
“welcome back to spectrum” “That’s not vegan” 😂😂 the SHADE
Meme
that’s actually amazing 😂😂
I don’t get it can someone explain
Lily Dawn they have this other show on their channel called odd man out and basically they had vegans on the show and they had to guess who wasn’t the vegan. A vegan name Erin was incredibly annoying and would try to discredit everyone by saying stuff like “that’s not vegan”
Why do I feel like they were throwing shade more at the people who use the meme rather than Erin
Elizabeth: I spend a time on the artic, *which is a food desert* , and there was no access to vegan food...
Richard: but can't they eat like a banana or something?
Ship a banana from somewhere tropical to Iceland using fossil fuels. For the vegans who refuse to eat locally-raised or caught animal foods.
@@KN-wl4vv I been thinking about the Fossil Fuel thing, and the Carbon Footprint.
I feel like people pretty much ignore it existences and harm, pretty much Everyone use Delivery service, there's practically no one, not using it.
I don't know how it got this much worst, with all the International delivery shipping, everyone is just burning resource more and more, while bragging about saving earth.
@@GradenVeEvel I hear you. Environment plays a big part in what products I buy (food, personal care products, etc.), but I'm definitely guilty of using delivery services and online shopping. I can't often afford to choose the more environmentally conscious option, but I'm making an effort to do that more often.
I was vegan for 3 years. I used to live about 100 miles from the Arctic Circle. We had regular grocery stores, so it was easy to find vegan foods. Looking at the produce and plant-based meat alternatives and thinking of how far they had to travel to get there (and how much the prices were marked up as a result!), I found myself supplementing my diet with locally raised meat and eggs from a local butcher and friends. I also got a fishing license and a chest freezer and filled it up during fishing season. I think those were much better choices for my wallet, the environment, and the local economy at the time.
Now that I'm back in a location where eating a plant-based diet is financially and environmentally reasonable, I find myself taking more and more animal products out of my diet. But the negative connotation of the word "vegan" has gotten so bad in the years since I called myself that, I doubt I'll ever label myself that way again.
@@wolferup I live in a Country that have Yearly Haze season, so it's an issue where people tend to ignore.
Neighbouring Country of Indonesia would burn Tree to clear land for new Tree to be planted, it been a decade or more, no one really do anything to prevent them from burning.
I have not been at that time in the video, but WTF. He did not seriously say that?
I’m so shook “is it for convenience?” They’re literally telling you it’s almost impossible for you to find vegetable and fruit to survive on cause some places don’t have that luxury
I think the difference needs to be set clearly though. When she was talking about Icelandic villages, seh was referring to very small villages where people live off substeinance foods which include animal products due to issues with accesibility. That has nothing to do with the rest of the country, where you can easily be vegan. Most people can go vegan actually, you don't need any weird fancy products to have a healthy vegan diet. And for those who can't, it's an issue of accessibility, so it really is not their fault that they can't go vegan.
Hope this makes sense.
Jaleigh Bass yeah. He keeps going on and on about theoretical but Ignores the realities. It’s easy to focus on diet when you aren’t worried about general safety and survival. Not to mention veganism takes some research and trial and error. It’s not like you just start eating plants and everything goes smoothly.
monemori she brought it up because they were talking about visiting other countries. You may visit a place but you can’t find recourses for vegan food there.
@@monemori that's a great point 👍 I been trying to say that same exact thing but didn't know how
@@monemori most vegan ingredients are expensive. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's most definitely not a myth that lower class people, even in America cannot afford fruit and plants on a daily basis. It's just a fact.
Imagine Erin, the vegan teacher and Richard debating about who’s more vegan. Constantly trying to put “that’s not vegan” and being irritating af. 💀💀💀
Okay but this needs to be done
They would probably like each other.
that would b hell nd the vegan teacher made me not want to b vegan .. so annoying gosh
there's also Aubrey from middle zone
heck, let’s add in all of peta as well
OH MY GOD DID THEY JUST MAKE AN ERIN JOKE AND IT WAS THE GUY SHE BASICALLY ATTACKED I-
I DIED
Wait when?
YoongiCanGetit Verkwan4LIFE right at the start
LITERALLY THE BEST THING TO HAVE EVER HAPPENED.
YoongiCanGetit Verkwan4LIFE 0:02
erin: who are you...
richard: Im you, but stronger
Lol right. Imagine being in a locked room with both 😩
😂😂😂😭 YESS
@Dania Botello same lol
reb dunc AHAHAHAGA
YES
I loved the woman in the jean jacket. She was very articulate and has explored the world.
I totally agree. She voiced her opinions very well too
Jovis same thing
If she wanted to explain veganism to me I would stop and listen as she seems to be a person who will not outwardly judge you if you aren't vegan. The blonde guy seems more like a radical vegan and I think I would feel quite intimidated and probably avoid him. He doesn't seem very approachable.
Just gave the two thousandth like! This is very true. I feel like she actually formed her opinions based on facts and AFTER she explored the world around her.
Richard is the exact definition of the Vegan meme. Literally why people don't like Vegans.
watch dominon 2018 documentary which showcases conditions on factory farms and see why Richard is like this
He is a militant vegan. His channel's name in youtube is Militant Soy Boy. Lol
RICHARD IS SO IRRITATING when this girl is talking about how some places literally DONT have an option to be vegan 24/7
He’s so out of touch.
Daisy Hart he was privileged as a child and it shows
That isn’t relevant to most of society that’s like saying other forms of exploitation are not as regulated elsewhere so let’s partake in that form of exploitation anyways. She was talking about small villages thats such a strawman argument I’m pretty sure almost everyone in this comment section using a phone to comment does not currently live in a tiny village in the middle of no where.
Victoria Alyssa no i’m a broke immigrant and I’m vegan
Yes omg I couldn't handle him! "Like you're telling me there's not even a banana..." No Richard there are no bananas in the arctic circle, not everyone has access, resources, and education to be vegan.
I just wanted to say that I really like Elizabeth, I find that she has a calming and balanced perspective
Amelia Tai same especially as a asian person myself I’m proud that there are well educated asian representatives in western “white” media
Producers: How can we take the heat off of Erin?
Casting Director: Send in Richard!
I bet my life this actually happened.
J A 7 why did he know the WHOLE definition by heart.....?
Richard is far more tolerable than Erin, still bad tho
J A 7 omg 💀💀💀💀💀
@@olivergbgbgb Eh, Idk I think I prefer Erin. At least her attitude was for the goal of trying to win the game. I can't say the same for this guy.
Richard is truly living a lifestyle that is a privilege but doesn’t understand that it may not be accessible, affordable or sustainable for other people and that doesn’t make them bad people. The amount of privilege is astounding. He can’t even comprehend other people’s struggles or lifestyles.
Also. Dont come for me. Im a vegan as well. Just damn man.
He irritated me from the first question. He's the reason people hate vegans. It's not the only option, and just because it's what he believes is right and easy, doesn't mean it is. It's the most ridiculously privileged "one size fits all" attitude
While is definitely a privilege to be able to choose what you eat, people use this argument where it doesn't even apply. Like they were talking about Iceland and how they couldn't live vegan, but there are plenty of Icelandic vegans.
People tend to say not everyone can be vegan so I don't have to, but that makes no sense
@@rabbitholeryn "He is the reason people hate vegans." Apply this logic to other situations like "a black person did something I dislike so therefore I am racist"
@@Kayla-ym8vi Yeah exactly, you can't just hate everyone because one person from a certain community did something bad :/
@@Kayla-ym8vi Exactly
is no one gonna talk about how he MEMORIZED the definition of vegan
No because with the amount hate vegans get it’s not that weird to be very knowledgeable and prepared.
im a vegan lmaooo and im not OBSESSED with that part of my personality to the point where i memorize the definition lmao
That's crazy
Blue Balloons prepared to recite the whole definition to haters
You'd be surprised how many times you have to tell people what veganism is actually about. I pretty much have it memorized too purely because of how often I have to repeat it to people that don't understand veganism and think it's something that it's not.
as a vegan, when elizabeth was talking about personal experiences of spending time in a food desert, the way richard kept trying to invalidate her experience was annoying to me. he wasn’t listening to anyone, he was just waiting for his turn to talk. she was clearly only speaking on things she was educated on, and instead of hearing her point of view, he just shut her out and implied that she wasn’t being truthful. he talked about “abusing our own ignorance”, and yet, abuses his own when it comes to anything he didn’t agree with lol.
Amber Nichelle but he was right
Well, sure, it would be annoying, but she was actually incorrect and not educated. It is absolutely no problem to sustain a vegan diet in Iceland (I live there).
She talked about specifically villages where access to fruits and vegetables is harder. The climate doesn't allow for it. I agree. I felt like he was wrong for that
As a vegan I agree he was extremely rude and ignorant when she was speaking but I feel like she was far off about what she was saying. There’s no way those people had 0% fruits and veggies in their diet or they would have major health concerns all around. I live in an area some people might consider a food desert (which of corse I will not disclose) but the when I go in the little bitty gas station / food mart the one section they do have have is the produce. And some people don’t have it as bad as me I understand that but I think she was a bit off in saying that. Again that doesn’t make how he approached her correct.
@@tinnakjartansdottir6045 how was she incorrect tho?
She said "there are not options" and he said "not even a banana"... His ignorance to his privilege is grotesquely annoying!
i think you can be vegan and eat sometimes like idk chocolate its not a club where u have to follow the rules... its something u do for youself and the animals
out of all vegetables/fruits he chooses to ask for the f banana 😂
that's real clown material
His tone and this comment screams privilege.
Ikr like what a moron what part of “there are no options” does he not comprehend. Esp for food deserts and arctic climates 🤦🏼♀️
@@gurlz8 you are on the Internet you are extremely privileged
Not only does Jubilee manages to find a vegan Karen, they also found a vegan squidward🦑
Lmaoo
hey don't diss my dude squidward that's so disrespectful /j
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Lmaoo
Lol hahaha
Y’all talking bout Richard but can we talk about Elizabeth. She ain’t tryna force being Vegan down on anyone, and instead she lives by example.
Billy Da Squid what I was saying 🗣🗣🗣🗣
Billy Da Squid Plus she honestly seems so open minded, non judgemental, and doesn’t push them on people. Ye she lives by example and seems to educate without seeming like she is belittling ppl
Which vegans are forcing being vegan onto others? None... y'all just prefer if vegans are quieter so you don't have to consider the moral implications of your actions as often.
@@spaghetti1383 people like richard are forcing it to others and also: moral implicatons? Sorry i am not gonna stop eating meat because someone said meat sucks. Humas have been eating meat since our exsistence. I am not gonna chanhe that. Also fruits are living creatures and everyone still consumes them isn't that wrong aswell then?
Logan Hargrove no everyone has a voice and should be heard. I myself am not vegan but I’m open to the experience when I have time and money to do my research. I’m saying that Elizabeth set the perfect example of not only leading by example but understanding that not everyone shares the same views. I’m not encouraging meat eating nor am I encouraging veganism. I’m just saying ELIZABETH did a spectacular job giving her POV and so did everyone else. I just like what she had to say a bit more. I respect Richard as well for his strong stance on it. With out him being as grounded as he was we wouldn’t see the complexity of the aurguement. He made a fair and just argument and wasn’t as annoying as most people think. I just believe to get people to get curious in your lifestyle you have to lead by example.
Is nobody gonna mention in the introduction he is literally the one who was attacked by Erin
ahhh great spot.
And Elizabeth was there too
He also subtly roasted Erin in the beginning, that was funny
Annathecommenter ikr lmfao I was like I’ve heard that sentence many times before🧐🤨
Theo LOLOL that’s why he said, “that’s not vegan.”
"I spent time in the arctic circle"
"But they dont have any fruits or vegetables out there??"
Its the god damn arctic circle
What about the co2 emissions for those imports ?
@Turbo_Turlet cant speak for all countries; but there are many fresh fruits in South America that are not safe to eat. Even the water is not safe. Many get lucky & there are many who don't. If you're going to a small village(who doesn't have food imported) they will not always have vegan options. It's not about excuses. It's reality.
@Turbo_Turlet But you cannot survive solely on highly expensive imports. They aren't *just* eating meat and animal products/biproducts in those areas, but it is a part of their diet due to necessity.
I've lived in Iceland as well, last year, and it is safe to say that there absolutely are vegan options. HOWEVER, the price range is insane and the different between meat and vegetables is insane. You can't grow anything on Iceland, exept in the greenhouses. Also the icelandic (and eg. Greenlandic) culture about meats and food is very different from what the people in the video are used to ;-)
That shouldn’t have effected her standing on that . No vegan lives in the Arctic circle lmao . She’s like when if your in a remote village then that’s fine . This is about your normal average everyday vegan . Most of these people were coming up with outrageous excuses .
As much as I loooooooove Elizabeth, I want to say that I really respect Shawn as he might have been the only person to change his mind and move based on someone else's explanation, and he did it twice.
The girl with the jeans jacket is how I wanna be in the future, she’s so understanding and not trying to force her beliefs on anyone, currently im vegetarian and going vegan soon
good luck!
What is the difference from being a vegetarian and a vegan?
LifeIsShørt Vegetarian is when you don eat meat but being vegan's when you don't eat any animal product at all (like eggs)
@@womp9465 Ya in that case id rather be a vegetarian. No offense to vegans and their beliefs but I'd rather do that because I'd want to increase my food supply because there are certain nuntrients you need to survive
you can do it!
Erin:
Richard: "I'm coming for this girl's whole career"
y’all can’t find normal vegans can you jubilee
@@lizziejackson4107 i don't mind being friends with Elizabeth she's open-minded and vegan she seems cool
富查理殊Jarisuuu i’m cool with the other ones too just specific people-
She's still worse but he's almost there
I feel like I especially respect & admire Nikki & Elizabeth, them talking about their personal experiences, as well as being realistic about it. How you can’t always be vegan in certain circumstances & that’s okay or how it’s best to lead by example, it’s very important
Exactly i love how they are informing others about veganism in a non -condescending way
Nobody is perfect, accidents happen, you can have non accommodating friends and watch them eat meat without you having taken part in that animal’s suffering BUT making any conscious decision to consume animal products is not vegan. I know vegans who buy vegan cars only, they’re not better humans than others but the options are out there... I mean you don’t need to have a bike, you don’t need those sneakers that are in, you don’t need a leather wallet. I think only medical exceptions are valid...
@@DM-1111 Certainly not everyone can afford a car- a bike is the best option of transport for many many people. It's people like you that are the reason meat eaters think vegans are crazy extremists. Not everything has to be 100% or nothing.
Asari Archie I’m not vegan I’m vegetarian but I have many vegan friends who are some of the nicest people I know. I have omni friends who are also wonderful people. You take immediate offense by what I’m saying without considering there are alternatives. You could probably buy a bike second hand without directly benefiting the bike leather seat industry lol you can buy an old car that is already vegan. Did you know some Subaru’s are leather free and this vegan? Most cars are almost accidentally vegan with the exception of the leather around the stick shift. Someone who is passionate about veganism will go the extra mile to find out where their money is going. You don’t need to get offended by this.
Yeah, hopefully they all remember that they weren't vegan at some point (I'm assuming) so if you're too pushy or judgy about others, you're not helping them become vegan, if you want them to be.
Elizabeth is incredible. Not only is she super stunning and beautiful 😍 but she also seems like such a really great and understanding person that you would love to be around and spend time with. I love her
why is no one talking about the fact he had the definition for veganism MEMORIZED.
@Uwusus Udududud You're disgusting
Jessica Rios no? why
annalise BRO i was deadass listening and reading to it and thought Wtf?!?!
@@CigdemO279 They used a homophobic slur
When people it's constantly asking about your lifestyle, you have to study so you can answer. If I got a dollar for every person that asked what veganism is I would be in Paris lol
Can we get an Erin vs. Richard "Who is More Vegan?" episode...
Zach Connolly PLEASE AHAHA
i love this comment!
Please listen to Zach he has important ideas which must be heard.
Yesssssss
elizabeth lmaoooo yess I need thiss
“It’s not fair to the animals to abuse our ignorance”
3 minutes earlier
“Can’t you find fruits or vegetables or a bean in the arctic circle”
Ikr, like yes Richard, fruits and vegetables grow in over abundance in the permafrost and the ice up in the arctic circle. Oh and they grow even better during the winter when the sun literally doesn’t come above the horizon for months at a time!
Jack K And you think someone can live their life on jelly and jam? No one is saying a fully meat based diet is the best for your health, but there really aren’t reasonable alternatives. Also, yes there are many vegan Alaskans, but there’s also a big difference between the most populated areas of Alaska, which are well developed cities where people have access to all the fruits and veggies they want, and small villages in the arctic circle, where it may be impossible to get those goods.
Alaskan cities and the artic circle are soooo different lmao
Tevin Lionel I think he forgot how plants work...obviously it can’t grow there if it isn’t a tree 🌲 that has the ability to grow out there. I know in certain cold climates you can eat pine nuts...but in other countries vegan or vegetarian diets aren’t sustainable.
@Jack K yeah there's flowering plants that are edible in the arctic circle, but if you think people living in the tundra are going to be able to sustain themselves on the ultimately meagre amount of local plants and the incredibly brief growing season, you're quite misguided. shopping isn't necessarily an option either. read about Food Security in Nunavut and you'll understand why. yeah vegans visiting have an alright time in the arctic, but what about the people who live there year round? i'm sure they aren't living on 10 dollar heads of lettuce and 20 dollar canteloupes. hunting for sustenance is integral to survival in canada and alaska's arctic. in order to survive anywhere that isn't a massive centre like anchorage you better hope to have deep pockets to survive on a vegan diet let alone an omnivorous one.
Richard is that stereotypical vegan person everyone makes fun of
@Abel Abel Anyone claiming to be vegan is just a virtue signaling liar.
Ever stop to think people would stop making fun of liars if they stopped lying?
yeah and they prolly shudnt
absolutely!
He is ignorant and well informed
@@anika.3074 they aren’t bullying him because he’s vegan, they don’t want to put up with his privilege
*talks about small villages with barely any food
Richard: "THAT'S NOT VEGAN"
He just needs to be dropped off at the arctic circle and see how long he lasts. That would give him clarity.
Small villages with no food are not most of society thats a straw-man argument. If someone lived in a small village in the middle of no where then how would they even have access to phones or computers to watch this video? Most of society isn’t living like that. I’m a broke immigrant and i’m vegan.
Dude, if I was Vegan and went to Iceland and the only options are Lettuce and Salad. I would just go insane if I'm gonna eat JUST that for a week.
Chrone Nojysk Yh that's all vegans can eat right?
This kid is so clueless to the diets of the people that live in Iceland
Richard is the kind of vegan that I was 6 years ago when I started... I deterred people even further away from the idea of veganism because I was so militant and aggressive. When I became more like Elizabeth, people suddenly wanted to hear what I had to say.
Same here. I've gotten more people to exclude animal products than when I was always angry and pushy.
Yeah well it's hard to not be militant when you're educated about the violence of the industry and yet those around you continue to be ignorant and wasteful.
Its funny how in *almost* every one of Jubilee’s videos there is just that one person everybody collectively dislikes
*literally* everyone. from the conservatives (for probably the wrong reasons), to the moderates and liberals, to the queer leftists (like myself). You just absolutely dont get by in life by shaming people into following your cause
@@s2sHoXXs2 *from the conservatives (for probably the wrong reasons)*
*You just absolutely dont get by in life by shaming people into following your cause*
Hmm ...
Isaiah Silverstein - i’m glad someone else caught that. lol!
Isaiah Silverstein - I’m glad someone else caught that, lol!
*q u e e r v e g a n*
I'm glad Elizabeth (the woman in the jean jacket) spoke about Perspectives according to other countries. While I was an exchange student in Japan, one of my friends who is Vegan struggled to find foods in some resturaunts when we decided to go out. Even when it came to some boba and coffee shops. Some of the 'vegan' options still had broth or animal products rather than plant based. People around the world have different 'vegan' or 'vegetarian' options. India would be safer option compared to America when it comes to these. I'm surprised within the first question they never mentioned Hinduism sects and other religion/faith that have vegan diets.
Hindus dont have vegan diets lmao ! Milk products are literally staple in most indian diets fyi !!
Then you do your best to eat as little as is possible... saying "fvck it, its not possible to be completely vegan, so I might as well just eat this steak" is the actions of someone purposely being disingenuous . Plus meat is a luxury and costs FAR more than nonmeat foods FACTUALLY.. so its kind of ridiculous to continue on the debate path of third world country this, privilege that, etc
Funny how the girl in the denim jacket that is the most accepting and relaxed hasn’t been bullied
I was bullied since going vegetarian in 2014, and I hardly talked about it. People would put nuggets in my face and say all sorts of terrible things to me. Of course the words spoken to me were even more harsh after going full in vegan. People like you hate vegans and don't even think about how we feel
@@jojobeanstudio1339 When you stop spewing vegan propaganda in their face, they will stop putting nuggets in your face. It's simple.
@@jojobeanstudio1339 I'm chill bro. If you wanna be you that's fine. It's your body so I can't tell you what to be or what to eat. Hope you have a great life!
I’m whole food plant based. I make an exception for holidays, but family and friends have been very accepting if I bring food when I stay at their houses. I don’t expect people to accommodate to my dietary needs. If we go out then you can usually substitute or remove.
And funny how the two who are the most militant/obnoxious about it are the ones who are bullied. 🤔
It bugs me when vegans are so offended by those doing “meatless Monday” or other variations of incorporating more plant based meals. Even just making the decision to be plant based for 50-75% of your meals can make a huge impact on your carbon footprint and other positive factors. Discouraging people trying to do better isn’t productive.
Would you rather them not have those days at all then? Like wtf. Also why was someone comparing Meatless Mondays to homophobia
I knoww! I wish more places had meatless modays and stuff I dont even have meatless options at my school. This mans taking alot for granted.
I'm vegan and I think meatless Monday's and any kind of reduction in meat or dairy consumption is amazing!! I think most vegans feel the need to convert people to veganism but I don't as I know veganism isn't for everyone and it's just completely unrealistic to think the whole world is going to go vegan. I instead focus more on how meat eaters can cut down by having one meat free day a week and still make a huge difference. Doing things like meatless mondays or choosing dairy alternatives are great. I see this as something way more achievable than trying to force people to go vegan and the result for the animals and the environment are great. 😊
I’m a vegan and I think that is amazing!! Experimenting with your diet is very exciting and I hope you have fun with it!!
It is not about carbon footprint though, veganism is about animal liberation. Way more than just a diet.
GIRL IN THE DENIM JACKET let me tell you now. I love you, just because for once someone shares my point of view to not force someone to do something like that.
@Abel Abel i did, a lot
@Abel Abel one of my friends, her old friends pressured her into staying vegan else they would have abandoned her. She didn't have tons of friends back then and she didn't wanna lose them, they shamed her if they found out she had eaten just a small piece of meat. My friend became anorexic after that, so I guess, YAY ALL VEGANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE
Btw, she loved meat, it's a big part in the cooking culture of her country
@Abel Abel My friend has thankfully overcome that, but she has learned to love meat because of her culture, she loves cooking, and nope, not all vegans are good people, also being a vegan doesn't make you any better, I see nothing with eating animals except when it comes to extreme cases like them being kept im cages for all their lives
@Abel Abel also, just because of your ethical view does it justify you telling pwople they can't eat meat? There's nothing wrong with that except with the examples I gave earlier
_"If you care about me as a person, how could you not change one meal."_ Just imagine how offended Richard would feel if one of his friends said that to him, yet, it's his expectation, or rather his *challenge,* to those around him.
_My_ "challenge" to Richard is to live in a 20-person village in the Arctic for three months, with no greenhouse, to gain a better understanding of what "food desert" _really_ means. I'm assuming he'll jump at the chance to stop "...abusing [his] own ignorance."
Richard is one of those people who thinks people only don't like him because he's vegan or gay
right? like u're just annoying stfu
I'm your thousandth like😊
Freefall1357924 this right here !!!!!!
Idk if love at first sight is a thing but now I know dislike at first sight is a thing
And that means I learned something so in a way I'm thankful to him
Freefall1357924 all I know is I’m pulling out my cast iron skillet and a steak watching this.
2:30 Elizabeth's way of promoting veganism is way more effective than Richard. Richard comes off very ignorant to me.
Actually he's not ignorant.
@@raxmaxify he is.
@@sherah95 no
raxmaxify he is..... he doesn’t understand abt developing countries and how hard it is to get fruits and vegetables in other countries
@@raxmaxify He is, he doesn't care about starving in developing countries especially most of them which fruits and vegetables are scarce to get it.
Should’ve slapped them with the “can humans eat meat, and still love animals?” Question...
Soul Ikarus nope. People can delude themselves into thinking they love animals, while contributing to their torture, rape, exploitation and death by eating them but that doesn’t make them any less hypocritical and morally frail.
MAXIMUS ew
@@soulikarus welll
Anyone who thinks they love animals and pay for their murder is lying to themselves
@@maddiealexander1378 it the truth sis, sorry
I feel like I lose 10 brain cells when ever Richard opens his mouth.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Brandon making a “Thats not vegan” joke made my year
When did he say that??
Alexia Pane very beginning
Same
Alexia Pane he said it the first 8 seconds! but the “that’s not vegan” line came from odd one out vegan edition
Yh its this annoying Erin chick who kept saying this
Richard: "We have to research our choices and can't be willfully ignorant"
Richard 5min before: "Are you saying bananas don't grow in the arctic circle?"
Truly the most ironic part of the video
bro has never been outside of america
the reality is that veganism is actually a privilege. That's why it's seen mostly in North america and not as much other places where there is genuinely a lack of resources. Some people are lucky to just get any food at all! I doubt they're paying attention to where it comes from. I get to be vegetarian because I live in Canada! but he doesn't get that it's not always that simple
rosie x yet so arrogant
lololololol
“I spent 3 months near the artic circle”
“But they don’t have any fruits or vegetables”
Smh
Same
Dude with the queer shirt was definetly the Erin of that episode
I was like how the **** would they grow it, I mean there is importing but that would be a waste just to satisfy the little population that is vegan
@@noonereally. they are probably friends
Think it was more like it’s hard to get than not fruit, and you can’t live on bananas for 3 months, probably can but u know what I mean
I love Elizabeth because she is not having the gatekeeping and holding her ground despite any herd mentality.
Richard: *Exists*
Erin: Now that’s vegan
Thank you for all the likes
Dead 💀
Lmaooooo
With Erin's voice in my head
Hahahahahahaha
LOOOOOOOL
also, richard is coming from a VERY privileged point of view. you can tell that he’s thinking from a very first world country perspective. this is what turns people off to veganism. im a vegan as well, and i feel like this is such an extremist way of thinking.
I'M 100% sure he's middle-upper class guy who can study and afford a lot of stuff. He acts likes eating meat or wearing leather or knowing about what items contains what is supposed to be common knowledge... He needs a reality check that not everyone are as well off as him. EX: 99% of people in third world countries.
I agree with you. It’s not hard to understand that in cold weather like Iceland, it’s nearly impossible to grow vegetables and fruits. It’s literally 3rd grade science. I also do not think there’s a “perfect vegan”. I am using a phone to type this out and in order to charge my phone, I am still using some type of fuel that is causing harm to our environment. He just can’t accept that. Every vegan tries their best to be ethical and environmentally friendly as possible.
seriously, such a pretentious spoiled brat.
I don't think he's that extreme, probably too strict in the arctic case. And I'm a vegan as well, I'm from a developing country. There's very little vegan products here, so it's a bit inconvenient. But when I accept the ethical arguments for veganism, then it logically follows that my inconveniences don't trump animal suffering in any way. There might be an exception for some people who truly can't afford a vegan diet. But in most cases, people just use these rare cases to justify their lifestyle when they themselves are not in those situations.
The fact is that most people in Western societies can make the switch to veganism. Obviously not every single person on the planet has the access to be vegan, but most do. Usually the people who can make the switch are the ones to talk about privilege. If you don't live in a food desert, then why not make the switch?
I knew as soon as the girl said “food deserts” that the pineapple guy did not know what that meant.
SuperIndy08 and she came with the facts too. That was a nice educated roast. He was very ignorant but hopefully he looks more into that 🤷🏾♀️
I dont think the pineapple guy knows anything about anything
Emily He probably thinks he came from 2 girls scissoring
He knew what it meant a, people just like to use that excuse. Nobody is gonna attack someone in a survival situation for not eating a certain way. That’s totally different. We’re saying, people who claim to be vegan( who tend to be people who have the freedom of choice to eat whatever they want) can’t call themselves vegan if they intentionally buy animal products despite not needing to. Those are the people that question is for, not someone starving in a 3rd world country.
Marika Diaz exactly!
People from Iceland who are like "I live here it's great to be vegan" well very good for you, doesn't mean it's the exact situation in all of Iceland... She mentioned a very specific example and I think it's important to acknowledge those exist. Do they have produce? Sure. Is it sustainable and nutritious to only eat those? Probably not. We don't know her specific situation so it's unfair to just invalidate it because you live in Iceland and are having a great time being vegan.
When he said meatless Monday’s don’t count.... people are atleast trying, not eating meat or animal products for a whole day helps the environment A LOT
Arlin M EXACTLY
Right?? My brothers and my entire family eat meat and consume dairy multiple times a day, we were raised on animal products and it’s apart of our Nigerian culture. There’s no way we could all go cold turkey to veganism, just like anything else, it takes a slow and steady adjustment to make it work
As a vegan who started out as a flexitarian, who ate meat like once every 2 weeks I can confirm that taking it steady is the right way to test out the waters (and you'll get used to it better!), but eating meat 6 times a week is still way too much, unnecessary and super lazy, regardless of your culture if you live in a first world country. That's my opinion
tl;dr
Your culture doesn't matter if you live in a westernized country, you're just looking for an excuse to eat meat. Anyone can go vegan/vegetarian.
youre right but some people tend to then double the amount of meat they eat on the other days
Thank you. Like I as someone raised in a family where dinner was not dinner without meat, am trying to drop meat from my meals a few nights a week and am being very selective as to where the meat I buy comes from. Decreasing demand on a product even if it's small dose create a need for the farms to shrink their output to balance profit.
Richard really thought they could grow fruits in the Arctic Circle 🤦♂️
And he thinks that everyone else is ignorant when they don't know everything about veganism😂 It's basic knowledge to know that in the arctic it is almost impossible to grow something😂
Well I live in the netherlands and we have orange juice. Not everything has to be local mate
@@str8gigachad124 Netherlands isn't that cold tbh😂 I live in Estonia (Next to Russia and Finland) where it's much colder. I have no idea about the climate names in English but we live in an area where in the winter it is usually between - 5°C to sometimes even - 20°C. (In the summer it's quite warm about 20-30°C usually). It is easy to grow potatos, carrots, apples, beans and so on, but in the Arctic the soil is usually frozen and cold so it is almost impossible to grow such things, also there are polar days and polar nights which make it even tougher.
@@str8gigachad124 plus the cost of the transportation for things like juices, vegetables, fruits and so on (also building materials) is really high in the Arctic
@@ljaanisoo2244 my point is that oranges don't grow in the netherlands yet we consume them. Now the same can happen in the arctic
So we're not talking about how Jubilee referenced the Erin meme at the beginning?
When Brandon said “THATS NOT VEGAN” 💀 I remember Erin telling him “that’s not vegan” every round, poor man! 😂 glad he got to pull an Erin 👀
Fr
Literally the best part lmao
Finally someone brings it up lol
Jasmine Lepelaar i mean “that’s not vegan” was a meme before erin
*RICHARD is an example of a VEGAN ELITIST* He’s the reason why we are being hated or misjudged, *THANK YOU ELIZABETH* FOR REPRESENTING THE VEGAN COMMUNITY VERY WELL. Open minded and shares REALISTIC and different perspectives.
“Welcome back to spectrum”
“That’s not vegan”
LMFAOOOOO THE SHADE
Time stamp?
@@sevapezouyan7109 at the beginning
literally 0:00 haha
Lol idk why no one else brought it up 😂😂
I wonder if Erin is any more of these
“You are a better person if you are vegan” *everyone goes to the disagree side because of Richard*
Morgan Best comment
He gives vegans a bad name because of his smugness. And the most messed up thing is, if he stopped thinking with his emotions and acting like eating a burger is the same as cannibalism, then he wouldn't be getting ripped apart in the comments.
Lmfaooo
This comment is so underrated.
girl: most bike seats are made of leather
richard: are you telling me you don't use watermelon rinds as a bike seat like a real vegan?????
Richard : are you telling me you don't use the cucumber as a bike seat...🌈
Richard: are you telling me you don’t eat your bike seat...🌈
Richard: are you telling me that you can't be the bike seat...🌈
Richard: are you telling me you aren’t a bike seat...🌈
Litrally bonkers luv x... 🌈
I like how chill and accepting Elizabeth is
watch dominon 2018 documentary which showcases conditions on factory farms
"there wasn't even a bean???"
bro..... have you ever been outside the US?
No. He 100% has not.
He is so entitled and privileged that he would die in Iceland if he lived there for three months.
thestaceofspade depends what part of iceland if it’s a resort or hotel he has a week but outside an hour at the most
Beans originated outside of the US dude😂
I agree Iceland probably would be a bit of an exception but developing places such as Africa, most of their staple foods are vegan, grains, beans, ect. Because they are so cheap.
I'm from Venezuela, a country that is literally starving, it's difficult to afford/find food and medication...and this guy is here telling me I should eat "fruit and vegetables"
So you will know that all the cheapest foods available are vegan? pasta, rice, veg, fruit, beans, legumes, nuts... and the most expensive foods are meats and dairy products? So why exactly is it more expensive?
@@cheekiestclan5668 Amigo...your answer shows me you know absolutely nothing about Venezuela. I don't mean to be disrespectful, I just invite you to read. I will tell you that I haven't eaten an apple since 2015. We eat what we can find and out of the things we can find, we eat what we can afford.
I have not rich vegan friends in venenzuela are vegan
Yeah... God be with you , i wish i could help with anything but it's also a big Global Issue in many countries... i hope everything is okay 😁... this dude is just Narrow Minded he pretty much thinks about himself Only & Blames himself.
@@cheekiestclan5668 I'm not well versed on the Venezuelan topic. But from what I watched, people were struggling just to get rice to eat. So maybe think a little outside of your bubble. Thanks
THE WAY JUBILEE SHADED ERIN IN THE INTRO
Courtney Livingstone AND it was brandon😂😂
I lived for it!!
Braaaaaaaaaa🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shady!!
@@n1nah that was hilarious
My husband is from a Third World country and he says this all the time - it really bothers him actually having really suffered in poverty - he says that the problem with American veganism is that Americans most of them have never known actual poverty or hunger and so veganism has become an elite position only accessible to privileged Americans. If you live in a Third World country where all you have to eat is a chicken or you will die you aren’t going to be vegan. To be philosophical about your food is an incredibly privileged position to take and we should all acknowledge that privilege.
To some degree but that’s a terrible example to compare low income Americans to a Third World country unless they live in California then I understand.
India was a third world country and has highest percentage of vegetarians and vegans whereas are next door neighbor pakistan and China have almost 95 percent of non vegetarian population. So your point doesn't make sense. Humans diet depend a lot on religion, ethical issues, personal choices.
Your husband is just not educated , sorry to say, no offense... its MUCH cheaper to eat beans compared to meat. People just dont want to do that.. has LITERALLY nothing to do with ANY functional issues of money, priviledge, etc
“Is there not like.... a banana?”
In the arctic circle?? 😂😂😂
how is he surprised that tropical fruits can't be grown in arctic climates b
He said the thing about the banana because he is an hysterical vegan disconnected from reality living in the conformt of the city.
@@iams2109 He wants to feel superior. He's one of those people who considers "queer" and "vegan" personality traits that elevate his woke self.
HAHAHA
You can import tho
“ There’s not a banana, or an apple, or a _bean_ “ oml 😂
Lwemon ikr
Right? The dude kind of annoyed me... Maybe just me. The girl in the denim jacket was my favourite.
he's acting like you can survive on a BANANA
i think freelee the banana girl had a son
Yep, like he'll be able to survive on a diet of apples and bananas because they just have sooo much nutrition and protein for long term
I like denim jacket girl. She doesn’t force her belief she wants to be a positive example
EDIT: This is probably the most responses I’ve ever gotten to a comment on UA-cam ever.
I get that but back when slavery was a thing we ended up forcing people to stop owning slaves. And I’d argue it was good that we forced people to stop. You shouldn’t get a choice if their is a victim involved who doesn’t get a choice. We don’t get the choice to murder or enslave humans do we? So we shouldn’t get the choice to murder animals for 2 minutes of taste pleasure. Where is the animals choice?
Adam Ayre I really wish people in our community stop spreading words like yours. Comparing eating meat to murder & slavery is exactly what pushes people away from veganism. “Let me introduce you to this great new lifestyle, but first I’ll tell you how disgusting your current one is.” Shame never works.
Allie P. You know comparing two different things doesn’t mean you are saying that they’re the same you know? And I’m sorry but it is the same, do the animals see it any different?
Allie P. Also I would argue we need all different types of activism in the community, shame and truth worked on me.
Allie P. And also I don’t start with that, I’m of course nice at first but when you see people disregarding it and insulting me then I’ll respond
elizabeth is such a gorgeous, educated, and open-minded queen!! i love how soft-spoken and articulate she is!!
watch dominon 2018 documentary which showcases conditions on factory farms and see if you think Elizabeth approach is best
I love Elizabeth, she's super knowledgeable and if it is an option to be more environmentally friendly she will take it, and thats what veganism is also so much about, she knows her stuff!!! I like her :)
I like your hair. You should dye it red and cosplay the girl from Brave for Halloween.
Let’s be honest we’re all here for Erin comments
Dom McW tbh yes
Yah lmao
Even Brandon is. You saw him at the beginning therr
Turbo_Turlet most people who have been subscribed to jubilee know about the other video about veganism that had Erin in it. Every odd man out episode since then has had multiple comments where you insert a quote from that specific episode then follow up with “Erin: that’s not vegan”. Seeing a non odd man out episode that had to do veganism guaranteed that comments about Erin were inevitable regardless of if she was in the video or not. She’s like a meme only jubilee fans know about. They even made a joke about it in the episode itself where Brandon says “that’s not vegan at the beginning”. Erin is very much alive in spirit in this episode without being physically present
why did he have the definition of veganism memorized
Because he is a militant vegan
I was listening to what he was saying and reading the description at the same time. I gagged!
Cause there seriously are people who claim honey or eating meat occasionally is vegan...
@@apalala4166 well, honey is not, It does however help maintain the bee population
Because being vegan is the only interesting thing about him.
Richard definitely has not experienced or even had a understanding on why not everyone has the privilege of having a vegan diet 🙄
a vegan diet does not equate to "privilege". In many countries where poverty is a major issue, for example India, the people live mostly vegan or vegetarian due to poverty. You're also forgetting that some of the cheapest foods in the world are plant-based. This includes beans, rice, legumes, fruits, vegetables. No one said you have to buy the expensive meat alternatives. Those exist mainly for people who are transitioning to a plant-based diet / lifestyle for convenience.
“Is there not....aa banana”
In the arctic cycle ??
Someone send Richard to a remote village in Iceland. I wanna see him survive on berries n moss!
Name not important don’t go to the attic circle then
Nunas World not sure if you are a comedic genius, or if you just misspelled “arctic”
@@axelpetersson5787 she said what she said... it's attic circle and basement circle from now on y'all
I live in Iceland. Remote villages have vegan food. It's not a third world country.
iloveyou 3000 groundquator
When people say “I hate vegans”, they are not talking about vegans, they’re talking about Richards.
Edit: you guys have to chill the fuck out cause I was literally making a joke. Peace out.
yeah lol
Rebecca No exactly
and erins
a child “You mean I hate Dicks”?
...
Okay... I see myself out.
WORD
jean jacket girl has the most calming essence
A true vegan
Oh completely. When she was talking about food deserts and isolation I was so happy she was there!! Such an important point that so many people miss
U sound like Gargamel
Ikr
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