Living with gods: the 40,000-year-old Lion Man
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Curator Jill Cook introduces the 40,000-year-old sculpture of lion man. A figure made of mammoth ivory with the body of a man and the head of a cave lion.
Living with gods: peoples, places and worlds beyond
2 November 2017 - 8 April 2018
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Supported by the Genesis Foundation. With grateful thanks to John Studzinski CBE.
The exhibition accompanies a series on BBC Radio 4 with Neil MacGregor.
One day, one night the people finished their stories of the Lion Man and carried him to rear of the cave, placing him tenderly in his niche. They covered him with an animal skin to hide him, to keep him warm. Then they disappeared forever.
There in that niche the Lion Man waited the centuries, the millennia, wondering where the story tellers had gone. Finally, others came, retrieved him from his niche to place him in a glass case where many stare or read some words but never tell his stories again.
Well that was sad. I got to thinking about a video on here where they found a temple in Italy to a Greek god. They were digging for a subway tunnel. Strange thing is, how did it become burried, where did the worshippers go. It was like here today, forgotten tomorrow
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@@DavidOfWhitehills Yes, but we look at them as our great-great-great-great...great grandchildren will look at us. (Assuming, of course, we have any.) If through some power our descendants were beside us today, likely we would see them as alien to us. And they would likely consider us strangers in their world.
We carry our ancestors genes and the consequences of their existence but we do not and cannot appreciate their intention. Wood, stone, metal, and bone may survive but the mind is gone forever.
that really happened
A story of a story! Nice
Absolutely chilling, a dialogue thousands of year in the making
matthew coccaro a fairy tale made up on the spot. She is oblivious to the facts about an ancient sculpture so then she will wax poetic to add charm and authenticity to a thing which she is totally ignorant of. Science isn't fact finding, science is glorified story telling.
matthew coccaro Yes exactly! Fantastic😊
You're an intensely gifted storyteller. You really brought the ancient relic to life, and helped me envision the context of its use. Thanks
Narasimha (Sanskrit: नरसिंह IAST: Narasiṃha, lit. man-lion) is an avatar of the Hindu god Vishnu, one who incarnates in the form of part lion and part man to destroy evil and end religious persecution and calamity on Earth, thereby restoring Dharma.[2][1]
I agree: this was described beautifully and with great insight.
meow miss This lady shows the signs of someone who has had a stroke and fought her way back from it (I’ve seen enough of this in my job to know this), so there’s no need to be so cruel. Personally I found her genuine fascination with the subject along with her in depth knowledge very engaging
I have a theory that the Lion Man figure was based on a highly respected tribal chief who wore a lions skin. The tribe might have made the figure and its smaller copies so that this great chief could be remembered and looked up to, and probably so that he would protect them in spirit as well. I have nothing to back up this theory, but it made the most sense to me.
The Flaine That’s not a theory it’s an idea. It’s imagined backstory, it’s interesting but it’s not technically “theory”
It’s an archetype for the Homo Sapiens Sapiens (Cro Magnon/Balangoda Man) that continued via the Aryans who descend from them and can be seen in the symbology of Judea, the European Royal Houses, and the Sinhalese of Sri Lanka. Sinhalese derived from Sinha Helaya meaning Lion People (50% being of Aryan descent) who presided on Lanka which in the Mahabharat Era was referred to as Simhaladvipa meaning Island of Lions and as a Nation of Lions followed the Sinha Archetype of the Narasinha (Lion Man) and formed a Pride led by the Rajasinha (Lion King).
The Lion Man sculpture was found in the Stadel Cave, Baden- Wurttemberg, Germany.
@@turinhorse Actually, homo-sapiens almost certainly originated in Africa and had been developing there for at least 300,000 years before they started moving towards the European continent (via the Middle East) some 70,000 years ago. Hence, we are all of African origin. Most European homo-sapiens are, however, genetically contaminated by a small percentage of Neanderthal DNA, which proves there must have been a certain amount of successful interbreeding between the two species.
@@p.jacobs643 out of Africa theory has been debunked
@@p.jacobs643 out of Africa is no longer (it). Sorry.
@@CroMagnon42 Hello momma bear. I am neither a geneticist nor anthropological geologist but as far as I know, the consensus in the scientific world is still that homosapiens evolved from earlier hominid spieces in Africa.
Due to new evidence, however, it would appear that it is likely that homosapiens left Africa at a far earlier date than hitherto assumed. However, traces of this "first exodus" have remained scarce (although apparently indupitable) until now. This could, of course, be the source of admixtures that make their way to Europe but do not occur in Africa or even examples that arrive back in Africa prior to the second wave of dispersion (assuming there really was a gap). The possibilities for cross-fertilisation are seemingly endless.
It is also possible that the Neanderthal/Homosapien DNA admixture, which is common to European and East Asien homosapiens but has not been detected in samples from homosapiens found in other parts of the world, could be the product of a yet-to-be discovered common ancestor.
However, no Neanderthal DNA has been traced in early African homosapiens, as far a I know, so, at the moment, it was more likely to have been caused by interbreeding wherever neanderthals and homosapiens shared a common habitat.
If course, the research is shifting all the time and each new discovery can throw up a myriad of questions and, possibly, change the course of ancient history. However, as it stands, there appears to be no dispute that it all started in Africa.
QUESTION WHO WAS IT THAT BUILT WESTERN CIVILIZATION? ANSWER THE CAUCASIAN TRIBES OF EUROPE, STARTING WITH THE ETRUSCANS!
Absolutely amazing! I rarely use that word but it certainly fits here. And the interpreter does such a great job of transporting us to see the piece as vital and alive! I could listen to her all day. I love this channel.
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I wish the Museum would index by curator. I would certainly like to hear more from Jill, she painted such an evocative picture in my mind just with her words.
I love the way she describes possible thoughts of the sculptor, but knowing it is merely speculation, I can’t help but imagine the guy sitting there with that ivory, thinking, “Wouldn’t it be funny if I put a lion head on a human body?” Lol. Adorable. 💜
I see Sekmet in this magnificent statue.
Thank you for sharing.
All these discoveries should be on major local channels.
The original ThunderCats Lion-O toy
You know that's just what I thought. Lol what if that's exactly what it was? People always look at items from ancient history with reverence and spiritual symbology but I thought it totally could be an action figure. That would explain for the wear on its body if kids played with it!
"I HAVE THE POWEEEEEER!"
@@emilygilbeyful I was thinking exactly the same thing. Maybe it was a doll of the child's father, a mighty warrior who wore a head dress of a cave lion to show how mighty he was. Crafted for the child for when the father was out on a hunt. Archaeologists fall back on spiritualism and religion when they have no idea what something was for. It's the great "crutch" of archaeologists.
@@emilygilbeyful yes u are right he is Indian god known as narsimha
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40,000 years ago, a talented twelve year old kid made an upright lion sculpture to show off to his dad but then was told to stop fooling around and get back to skinning the mammoth...
😂
The scholars get really upset when we bring up that possibility. Wonder why?
@@maryblester213 it's like we need to believe these things have a deeper meaning otherwise they would be kinda lame😭
@@arunsooknarine4738 its Hindu sculpture known as narsimha , narsimha is Sanskrit word
Narsimha means
A man with face of lion
Its our god they have taken everything from us
@@Noone-gz8li its also similar like great sphinx of Giza
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I get it. Good one.
Can’t overstate how much I want to hear some of those stories around the fire. If I every get a crack at one of those sci-fi time machines, I’m going to go back and “invent” writing.
emm they didnt spoke english you know that dont you?
@@bruno-bnvm turns out it's just a sex toy they made
Lion people are found all over the world. In Egypt they were bringers of the wisdom, teachers, in India they are scupted as Lion Human Gods. Why would the oldest sculpture found be A Lion Human Being? Maybe, because they were the real visitors long time ago. There is much more into the story of Lion People.
Read my post. I saw a lion headed man inthe late 80's. Weirdest thing ever. Seriously.
imagine the items they carved from wood that didn't survive this long
Yes, i was thinking the same thing. Prior to this carving there were likely to have been many, many others - an extended learning which eventually arrived at this sophisticated piece. And you would think also that at this time there was a well developed spoken language. Again with an extended history. Makes you wonder how far back in time art and communication actually extend.
@@royvarley plus wood was very easy to get and very easy to carve compared to mammoth ivory - I imagine they had lots of practice lion men made of wood before this one was made ... at least in that local area where lion man was left
makes he wonder how old lion man is compared to how old he was when the last people to care placed there - how many generations?
it's realy sad that the majority of human history is lost for ever
check out the Shigir Idol.
Just imagine what archeologists will say a thousands of years from now when they find transformers.
They would probably think the world was a single unified nation since everything they find says made in china.
Or Disneyland
the difference here is we write all our history down unlike the people in prehistoric societies. Future archeologists will have a pretty spot on hypothesis of what was going on today and will be able to tell the difference between fact and fiction much like how we can tell the difference between history and legend of the Romans.
@@draxthewarlocktitan5217 ha. That's hilarious
W.W. You think so little of future archeologists that they won’t be able to tell the difference between a history paper and a Michael Bay movie? Now that’s hilarious.
Thank you. The way you describe the lion man combines knowledge and poetry of sorts. ❤
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40 000 year old art... Truly mind-blowing 😮. Human - Lion - Mammoth. Mammoth flesh (ivory), human shape but aspiring the mind of an apex predator.😮 To me it speaks of a deep communion with the natural world.
I was lucky enough to see this exhibit on a visit to London-it was beautiful and humbling. Many thanks to the British Museum for this!
Thank you so much for explaining what this statue is all about, you gave me a better perspective of this age.
Do we even know that it was ours? Baden-Württemberg is not all that far from the eponymous Neandertal Valley.
HebaruSan we kinda combined with them, so it was somebody's
There are no examples of figurative art like that that can be reliably attributed to the Neanderthals, and lots that can be attributed to early humans, so it's unlikely. But it's so old, the Neanderthals were definitely still around at the time.
I love it when I find intelligent people, that are free to talk. They , the academics, have intelligence in them, but in certain contexts they have to turn it off. Its not right to be more intelligent than somebody that has.more power than you. Freedom is every thing then.
@@jessicalee333 its sculpture of our Hindu god
Known as narsimha
@Chimino Pulverman Hominid not human. Gibbons and gorillas are both apes but a gorilla is not a gibbon.
It's Narasingha (Nara male Shinga Lion) and Avtar of Lord Vishnu Half Human Half Lion From Ancient India
No it's not
@The Sun no it's not.
@The Sun no it's not
Lion man is called .'Narshimha' नरसिंह - Sanskrit
MAHEES lord of the blade Egypt, Apollo geece, Apadamak Ethiopia, Metatron book of Enoch, lion of Judah Bible, Mithra ancient rome.God roars from mount Zion the ion lion. Ra the son of a cat, Helios the lionheaded sun god. DIONISES Greek lion man. All lionmen are androgynous. There's a sht ton more about these beings.
@@scottingledue7999 I think hindu narashimha is older than any stuff related to this
Lion Man - Lord Narasimha Swamy 🙏🙏💓 -4th incarnation of lord Vishnu Dashaavatar 🙏🙏💓💓💓
This lion man is a deity (avtar) from Aryavarta (old India). This is the fourth incarnation of God Vishnu (Narayana). This Vishnu's avtar is known as NaraSimha (Nara - Man & Simha - Lion).
To know more about NaraSimha just google it. Hope it helps. 🙂
10 avatars indicates the evaluation. From fish to human
makes all the difference when the volume is too low, thanks for captions
Big fan of the curators corner. One of the most emotionaly connective descriptions heard yet. Well done Ms Cook, tying the artifac and its meaning, to the ancient hands that created it.
Thank you for posting so many interesting videos :D
Lion men of Moab recorded in a couple places in the bible.
Known beastmen in the Bible, I believe there was a tribe of them once.
What a lovely and perceptive introduction of this object. Ms. Cook must be very good indeed at her job.
There is a record of such a figure in sanathan dharma..its Narasimha:half man half lion..4th avatar of lord vishnu..incarnated in Satyayuga (1st yuga)that lasted for 1,728,000 years...such ancient is sanathan dharma..
Yes Right Lion Man Is Narasimha Narayan Vishnu Avatar.
Bang on.
Homo sapiens exist only 300000 year ago..that age is a stone age!!
*_MORE PLEASE_* - This was fascinating to listen to the story behind this amazing object. Thank you so much. It means so much to learn this. :D
40.000 year ago: HEY MOM, LOOK WHAT I MADE!, HIS NAME IS SPARKY AND HE IS MY BEST FRIEND!
Yeah, maybe... Or maybe the lion man was a gift that a loving grandfather gave to his grandchild as he told her stories of the distant past where lion humanoids walked the Earth with man and developed a wonderful society and civilization that people could only dream of now. And the story would always end with, "And one day our lion-human friends will return and help us again.
Recommendable! Sound volume is a bit low!
the leontocephaline figure half man with head of a lion is a representation of Aion a Mithraic god. This was a cult in Ancient Rome but derived from Persia and maybe much older as it is rooted in foundational Indo-European culture.
So who knows how far back it actually goes perhaps there is a direct link to 40,000 years and beyond.
It is hindu god Narasimha
It can be Lord Vishnu's avatar Narsimha (half lion half men ) ,, read hinduism , you will know about it. Radhe Radhe
I love this story, I've told several people about the lion-man
I think about this often, the entire idea of it is so beautiful
Maybe Lion man was a shaman or tribesleader wearing a lion pelt.
yes, if you look closely at it, ( at 126 ) you can see one of the paws coming down from the shoulder. possibly Both. people need to realize, that these ( professionals ) are just guessing.
@@bosdad7, they get paid to make up these stories.
@@forbiddenempire5447 historians ABC evolutionary biologists alike
@Death Zone yes, really
@@bosdad7 its Hindu sculpture known as narsimha , narsimha is Sanskrit word
Narsimha means
A man with face of lion
Its our god they have taken everything from us
Oh my god humans have been furries for 40k years.
I see.. this why it's called Warhammer 40K
Yep
The “Cornish Floral Dance” was, apparently, before that, the “Fairy Dance”, and perhaps even earlier, the “Furry Dance”
We've always been here~
@@katethegoat7507 its Hindu sculpture known as narsimha
Narsimha means
A man with face of lion
Its our god they have taken everything from us
Lion man this sounds like Narasimha an avatar of God Vishnu
Really this idol name is narasimha
@Death Zone that's the only Lion man I heard about !
@Death Zone nope , but I read lot about Hindu religion and culture
It is Lord Narshimha
@@dragonluna7667 according to Hindu text Vishnu take avatar of half lion and half man to killed hiranyakashyp ( hiranya= golden , kashyp = his father name ) now this make sense golden= blond hair ( Nordician ) , his child was devoted to Vishnu but hiranyakashyp don't liked this so he tried to kill him ( may be staute made by his son )
Great presentation. Thank you.
This is a beautifull story. The sphinx of Egypt is also a combination of human and lion and presumed to be much older than thought. Makes me wonder who inspired who.?
@@eugenemartone7023 Geologists.
@@eugenemartone7023 So that mens that you know an official start of the building processes going on at Giza.
@@eugenemartone7023 Possible but we have no idea realy I think.
Strenge thing is that the Egyptians didn t have the tools to cut granite on a large scale.. At least we haven t found it jet. It just makes me wonder. About the sphinx If you look at the rock surface thats underneath the handworked stones the other theories about wethering because of waterrunof or ground water seeping trough don t make sence.
What later became the sphinx was already heavily eroded before the Egyptians started working.
and the erosion goes all the way down to the floor. So the square pit must have been there before the Egyptians started modeling the weathered rock which stood there.
Sekhmet too half lion half woman
They were all buddies back then. The mammoth chipped his tusk and the man carved the figurine from it. He gave it to the mammoth and said, "This is from me and Mister Lion!"
reminds me of the story of one of King David's mighty men (was it Benaiyah?) who defeated two lion like heroes of moab
Perhaps it is older that what they said, and in my very personal opinion, the roots will lead us to what we call today India. Avatars and the Yoga's.
Idk about anyone else but; listening to certain people speak can put me to sleep. Idk if it's cadence or pitch or what? But this woman made me nod just 30 seconds in! Even if the subject matter is interesting. And it was!
Someone needs to make these for us now to hold by campfires and tell stories 👍🏻
British Museum: The Lion man represents so my cultural depth and mean, etc etc.
Caveman: ha ha, fursona go brr 🦁
Interesting of course, but I was hoping for some more hard science, especially on the accuracy of dating.
Thats what I was hoping. Could just as easily be A child's toy & have nothing to do with any gods,just imagination, which I imagine 40,000 years ago was plentiful . Beautiful statue though.
@@Dirtbag-Hyena I agree fully on both points.
@@Dirtbag-Hyena its Hindu sculpture known as narsimha , narsimha is Sanskrit word
Narsimha means
A man with face of lion
Its our god they have taken everything from us
@@Campbellteaching its Hindu sculpture known as narsimha , narsimha is Sanskrit word
Narsimha means
A man with face of lion
Its our god they have taken everything from us
LORD NARSHIMHA, AVATAR OF LORD VISHNU.
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Back then people were more in tune with nature. Much more.
Actually, the Lion Man was created by a paleolithic furry, and its wear and tear is due to being shown and passed around at Cave Con, one of the earliest furry conventions. :P
38,000 years before we start counting the years, thats a lot of yesterdays
Is this then the world's first fursona?
Braden Atchley ...possibly. god dammit, possibly
ok
Most probably It is statue of Hindu God Narsimha ( Avatar of lord vishnu)
Absolutely brilliant presentation, she's one (if not the absolute!) best in this series!
Well, laugh if you want to, but back in the late 80's I was walking my dog in an industrial area close to my row, townhouse which happened to also be close to the airport. It was a frigid Canadian January night about -28 C and around 10 pm. Me and Max walked by a office building. I saw a ground floor office with a light on.Curious I walked by andlooked into the office. I could not believe my eyes....I saw a man in a white dress shirt and black dress pants doing office work. Not so weird? Well he had a lion head, mane and all. I blinked my eyes, stared, and blinked. It was a man with a lion head. I kept walking back and forth in disbelief. Nothing I did Changed what I saw. The broad lion nose, the tawny fur and mane ... it did not look like a mask or costume. He had papers in his hand and was walking from a filing cabinet to a desk and putting other papers from the desk to the filing cabinet like it was a normal working evening. Something warned me he shouldn't know I was watching him, not sure why I had that feeling. I thought at first maybe he was hideously deformed and only worked late at night, but when I'd walk by the window again and again he was clearly a man with a lion head.I have researched this over the years periodically which brought me here but I seem to be the only one who has ever seen this. I didn't drink or do drugs...so I can't blame it in that. I have no idea what was going on.
Fascinating tale
... and they are still far away from the bottom (the oldest parts) of that cave ...
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
Incredibly low volume on this video
Normal/typical on my device (a desktop PC).
@@kenc2257 Same for me, no issues. Maybe the other user has bad speakers.
imagine if the artist who made it simply thought that a lion-headed man looked cool 😸
So cool!
you also have a mask of Bhairav, the Indian god with third eye, In ancient Indian text it is given that lion man had a fight with Bhairav, and Bhairav killed that Lion man called Narsingh.
Its wrong
The half lion half man,narsimha the 4th incarnation of Lord Vishnu fought and killed defeated bairava
@@wickyswag7799 Akash Bhairav vs Narsingh, see it, ua-cam.com/video/s3B8ndK90Io/v-deo.html
@@wickyswag7799 Lord Shiva also defeated vishnu in the form of Veerabhadra at Daksha yagna. ua-cam.com/video/96o-Ec7IgVw/v-deo.html
@@whiteangel1871 yes but Vishnu defeated veerabhadra and sharabha too when he transformed to gandharbharuda its mentioned in vedas
@@wickyswag7799 vishnu was bound to protect Daksh, but he was not able to protect him, we all know daksh was beheaded by Veerbhadra, so Lord Veerbhadra was able to reach Daksh only after defeating vishnu.
It amazes me how the common assumption regarding these types of findings is that they were created to represent "Gods". My brother began shaping objects into animals and people since he was 4. Perhaps a talented young person was just using their imagination and create this statute, just as a form of artistic expression, as so many artist tend to do?
If that were the case it wouldnt have been used on Mammoth ivory, that stuff wouldve been pretty valuable.
EXCELLENT!!!!
Good well educated video, however It’s important to not downplay the beliefs of our ancestors, especially since today there are people that do their best to revive these old nature based beliefs. All beliefs should be respected like any other big world religion. I do like how you drew the connection between the importance of spirituality and day to day life throughout human history. Many people have often dedicated their lives to at least something greater.
Respect but not equal respect. Do you show as much respect to the animal gods of the ancient cavemen as you do to the Periodic Table of the Elements ? That too is a belief structure, a conversation which something that isn't there.
There is much we do know and even more we don’t know
I don't know why religions or beliefs should be given any more respect than fairy tales.
Especially when a lot of people with religions and beliefs don't even respect other people or the planet.
Respect has to be earned.
tsopmocful there are disrespectful people of all walks of life. One’s religion or spirituality is their way of life, not to say you should believe the same. To not respect the beliefs of an individual is to not respect a person.
all beliefs certainly do not need to be respected by all peoples, and they certainly are not. If people respected all beliefs, then I would agree, but people don't, for many reasons, including survival, thus I don't agree with your statement. esp 40 thousand year old conjecture.
The name for this creature is Ariel. The cult of the lion man was all over the world. There is even mention of this in the Old Testament.
Reference where in bible
It would have been of more interest if the place it was found was shown, how they determined the age, what if any other artifacts were found in association with it, instead of her rambling speculations, which anyone of us are just as qualified to make as she is since there is no way to prove it one way or another.
Absolutely riveting
lion man NARSIMHA
thanks for that, learned something new from your comment!
Are you talking about NaraSimha.Nara(human) and simha(lion). He is an avatar of vishnu.
It's the Hindu God Vishnu's avatar .
Narasimha.
Nar-Man
Simha-Lion.
Google it and you can get to know more about him and his images
Hinduism as we know it didn't exist back then.
Can you substantiate your statement that it is indeed Narasimha ?
Also the Hinduism doesn't have a monopoly of animal-human hybrids.
🙏🙏🙏🙏💓💓💓
@uchiha vinay and your point being ?
@uchiha vinay why are you describing Narasimha to me ? Did I ask for his description ?
so fascinating. Thank You
Where was this Lion Man statue found?
TheWoWMagician Ulm, Germany
Germany
Wichita
www.loewenmensch.de/index.html
Chess Tauren - The Neanderthal and the Homo Sapiens lived side by side in that time!
Yes Right Lion Man Is Narasimha Narayan Vishnu Avatar.
The only Lion man that I ever heard of is "Narsimha" : avatar of Lord Vishnu.
40,000 years old and from Germany, I think that predates Hindu by a bit.
interessant
Perhaps you are biased and uneducated towards other viewpoint,
Have a look
Aker, an Egyptian lion god; Narasingha, a man-lion hybrid and reincarnation of Vishnu; Miysis, a Greek lion deity; Chnubis, a Roman deity with the head of a lion and the body of a snake; and Imdugud, a Sumerian god depicted as a bird with a lion's head
And you have heard of one,
Go and gain some more knowledge
@@niccolopaganini1782 i think you are actually uneducated if it was an egyptian god it would be given a special crown but it is not also greek were influenced by hinduism and zoroastrianism as they were traders so this possible that they could be influenced by hindu gods also ramayana influenced hollywood
@@alphaace7181 So was every depiction of lion people stolen from Hindus? Hindus were the first to think up of lion/human hybrids in their stories?
Couldn't it have been completely possible to have been the other way around as there were lions in europe until 400 AD and the Cave Lions of the Ice Age.
The Lion Man of 40,000 years ago shows us that people have been depicting humans and animals as hybrids since literally the beginning of stories themselves.
Thank you for this wonderful story
there is equal evidence that it was a toy for a child
Yep
I think not. Children's toys would show a different way of wear and tear. The material is also a hint. Childrens toys would be made of cheaper materials. Carving ivory is an expensive art. A child's toy would be more naturalistic. This is more likely to be a amalgamation of the divine and the shamanic profession to represent a spiritual aspect of the life of those who created it.
I think its hindu god Narsimha sculpture.
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2 Samuel 23:20
“And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two lionlike men of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow:”
he was a furry
Thank you , miss Jill, that was fascinating, I never saw him before😎❤
I think it's a guy with a lion skin on. You can see the front arms draped over front of his shoulders. Not saying it isn't amazing, just this maybe should be included in the interpretation.
The first member of the Lions Club.
Narasimha hindu avtaar of Vishnu 🙏👍❤️
Thank you Jill Cook.
The lion is back.
ok she is saying. We found this, we know what it looks like, we know how old it is, and we know nothing else.
Exactly. For all we know it could be a toy of a superhero Lionman. She did say it was 'polished by a lot of handling.' A well loved toy would be worn down the same way...
Well, what I understand is that they were the most talented people, but we considered them improperly evolved."
Thank you for your conjectural adjectives.. Maybe some facts would of been nice; where was it found, what was it found with, what kind of people made it? Aside form that you have done a wonderful job describing what everyone can plainly see.
max Jives ditto! i cant wait till they discover more & connect the archeological with anthropological view!!!!
She mentioned where it was found.
The Lion man....i can't help but think of the Sphinx... could it be related ?
This was found near Ulm in Germany [4:10]. The Danube is a migration route, but a direct cultural link with Egypt at that time is less likely than a convergence of ideas. The human faced Sphinx makes it more like Mesopotamia's 'Keruvim' or Judea's '3rd Cherub', a symbol of trade, while the lion faced man is more akin to Judea's 1st Cherub, associated with warriors. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherub
That is the Hindu deity Narasimha.
It was present all over the world at that time.
The word "God" appears not necessary very adequate, fitting or informative here.
Basically the "lion man" can be understood as :
- a living god a la the minotaur (which is a permanent condition)
- express the trance of a human into a cave lion (which is a limited condition in time)
- part of rites or processions
- a symbol for something else
During periods one meaning could get lost while others dominate and vice versa.
But we do not have to guess, since the figure itself give pointers to the use:
- the human frame is of a man, a potent man
- the lion head signify power (and not potency)
Thus the significance of the figure is in the domain of male power.
Interesting. Does that mean that this is way older than the lion gods of Egypt and Kush? (Would seem to be older by like 30 000 years).
Its hindu god Narasimha
it fits perfectly to what gnostic belief
Lion man is Indian god. His name is sri Narasimha ( Nara= Human, Simha= Lion) half lion and half man. Along with his wife called him as " Lakhshmi Narasimha". He is one of avathar of lord Vishnu. My family worships this god from many generations.
Om Narasimhaya Namaha.
The Löwenmensch from Stadel predates Hinduism by approximately 35,000 years.
um. you're seriously suggesting that only in india could there be a lion-man god? that's incredibly rediculous, and indocentrist.
The Pleistocene art is fascinating. I could have done without the dialogue attempting to justify irrational beliefs though.
So you made up that entire story from what could very well have been a child's toy?
What if it was common place to wear animal skins at the time the piece was made? Wouldn't it be a simpler explanation that the figurine is of a hunter wearing a lion skin?
When you are not religious does that mean you cannot connect with the maker of this statue? I think that it is not religion that binds, but the effort to control uncertain outcomes. I think that is the human thing. Not religion, that is only a method.
@Maxx Kroes we take the most basic hominid characteristic of survival, pattern recognition ( our need to make sense of what we don't yet understand ) and we mix in a fear of some of those same elements thunder , lighting, sudden death or wild animals that can cause sudden death. A little bit of anthropomorphic empathy and voila... you have a deity. I don't blame our ancestors for this, and I don't blame people nowadays for still being afraid of fear. But I look forward to the time when religion isn't taken so seriously.
@Maxx Kroes I think God belief is too strong a word for ancient man, more an attempt to make sense out of a world which was inherently dangerous and unknown. Superstition and pattern repetition. But yeah, my faith in humanity is like the sea mate, and lately for me it appears to be at a low ebb.
The man who kills the biggest threat is chief. The man who dons the skins of the biggest threat is chief. The man that holds the totem of the wearer of the skin of the biggest threat is chief. Like a crown or staff or flag a figure of office really hasnt changed in milllennia.
Good hypothesis.