Thank you. Ecoflow vs Anker videos are what I look for and very rare to find. I read from Ecoflow you can use their fuel generator to also charge third party power stations and it will shut off automatically when they're isn't a load on it, when the battery is full. If you present this, that will be such a game changer if true.
How perfect. I was just shopping for an Ecoflow Delta 3 Plus to replace a network UPS at home. Since they’re selling it with a “UPS mode” as a feature. Plus I’d like to dabble with the solar input to offset some power costs of my network rack.
When you figure in what you would've spent on a traditional UPS, it really is a very compelling option. Plus a full 1kwh is fairly substantial to keep things running for a decent amount of time.
@@BenjaminSahlstrom indeed. I currently have an APC SMT1000RM2U, which takes 4x 12v 9Ah batteries (432Wh). This would be 2.4x the capacity. On top of that it costs roughly $90 to replace a set of SLA batteries, plus the time. SLA batteries are good for 3-5 years meaning I could expect to spend $180-270 by the time the Ecoflow’s batteries are considered “bad” (4000 cycles). Add on the fact that the solar could reduce my power bill long term and it’s definitely a very attractive option. Even though they have a cost, the ROI comes out around 5-6 years when powering my server setup.
Doing the same. After discounts this was about $50 difference in price to replace an APC1500 tower model. This will sit in the same spot in my WFH office the old failing unit sits, and provide a lot more runtime then the old cube lead acid battery.
It is not a UPS. It won't and can't switch over as quickly as a standalone, actual purpose built UPS. Use an actual UPS in front of this if you want the best protection, but I wouldn't consider a power station a UPS.
@@Duke.Chocula You can replace the SLA batteries in your UPS with LiFePo4 direct replacements, and get the benefit of the battery chemistry and have the benefit of an actual UPS vs a power station pretending to be a UPS
Long time Anker fan on phone battery packs, etc. Just starting to delve in these battery generators. I lean toward the EcoFlow on product. However, I haven’t been impressed with their customer service so far on response time and quality of response. I always had decent luck with Anker CS. 🤷🏻♂️
Not to complain.... but was really hoping this was gonna be the X1 backup video 😂. Can't wait to see what that looks like. This was a nice breakdown between these two, thanks for getting into the nitty gritty.
@EK--ry3lr I'm looking forward to getting that published soon! The first video on the topic is going to go over the differences between the X1 and Powerwall 3. Then in the future we'll hopefully be able to do a video with one that's actually installed. There is so much to learn with all of the home battery solutions that are out there!
That's not quite true, once it gets to that 80% capacity it is considered done and dangerous to keep using. That's a common misunderstanding that once it reaches 80% capacity "oh I have 80% left" no, once it gets to 80% it is finished.
look the marketing is great and all about the longevity of the battery.... DO KEEP IN MIND the electronic components will have to last that long as well. otherwise sure the battery works but you wont be able to use it.
@@adcraziness1501 Interesting since I know a lot of batteries get sold for other uses that still have their 80% capacity. People build power stations with old EV batteries, etc that hit their 80%.
@@onlywenilaugh6589 I welcome you to do your own reading and searching, but yes, after a battery can only hold 80% of its rated capacity bad things happen if you keep using them. For one, the rate of degradation increases by quite a lot.
Fantastic comparison! Like you said, it's better to compare the two. It gave e a much clearer idea of what each has to offer. I also like your new set for videos. One distraction however is the weed waiving in thee foreground. Keep up the good work.
That darn piece of grass! I didn't notice it until I was editing... Being out there in the pasture is definitely more interesting than recording inside somewhere.
Thank you! I learn so much from your awesome channel! At what these things cost I don't understand why more folks don't just DIY. Especially when these companies get into propritary stuff.
I would love to see the battery stack without the cables. Putting a plug on the top and bottom to make the connection would be sweet. Sort of snap together like a Lego.
Definitely nice when that's an option. One benefit of it being a cable though is the ability to position the extra batteries in various ways. I know of times where I wouldn't have been able to use the batteries if I had to stack them due to space constraints in the camper. :)
I have a ecoflow mini and if I leave it alone for about 3 months, it won't turn on. I have to charge it for about 30 minutes before I can get it to power on. Guess the batteries drain for some reason. Everything is switched off but still.
If the temperature rating is the most important thing for you, then don't fool yourself. They might have the rated for low temps, but you will never have it exposed to the extreme cold. It will only be exposed to the same temps you are, and since you won't be in negative temps, neither will it.
@@BenjaminSahlstrom 90v DC input, would be good - then you could use 2 36v panels in series _ they size their solar input to match the proprietary panel voltages they sell. But for using industry standard values 90v or 150v DC are more compatible.
@BenjaminSahlstrom delta pro ultra has 2 solar inputs, one 150v the other 450v DC. It's more geared to home use, but at least it uses more standard values. Also, it has a high current DC output available . You may be right it may be due to the UL listing they chose to pursue
I don't think you could go wrong with either choice here. EDIT: @9:30 talking about "Hybrid" charging I haven't found it to be a big deal. At no point have I ever been in a situation where I thought "let me drag this solar panel out so I can save $0.000004 on my electric bill while charging this thing" if I'm charging solar, I need solar. If I'm charging AC, I don't need solar.
@@BenjaminSahlstrom well, I also thought that it could be useful in an outdoors situation where you are supplementing a generator with solar. That does seem helpful, so I guess it can be a useful feature.
The biggest problem of these devices is inrush current: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current We tried to feed 705 lbs elevator with 350 lbs counterweight from power station, as result motor coil with power factor corrector eating 120 Amperes for launching, so power station immediately resets by overcurrent.
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Thank you. Ecoflow vs Anker videos are what I look for and very rare to find.
I read from Ecoflow you can use their fuel generator to also charge third party power stations and it will shut off automatically when they're isn't a load on it, when the battery is full.
If you present this, that will be such a game changer if true.
How perfect. I was just shopping for an Ecoflow Delta 3 Plus to replace a network UPS at home. Since they’re selling it with a “UPS mode” as a feature. Plus I’d like to dabble with the solar input to offset some power costs of my network rack.
When you figure in what you would've spent on a traditional UPS, it really is a very compelling option. Plus a full 1kwh is fairly substantial to keep things running for a decent amount of time.
@@BenjaminSahlstrom indeed. I currently have an APC SMT1000RM2U, which takes 4x 12v 9Ah batteries (432Wh). This would be 2.4x the capacity.
On top of that it costs roughly $90 to replace a set of SLA batteries, plus the time. SLA batteries are good for 3-5 years meaning I could expect to spend $180-270 by the time the Ecoflow’s batteries are considered “bad” (4000 cycles).
Add on the fact that the solar could reduce my power bill long term and it’s definitely a very attractive option. Even though they have a cost, the ROI comes out around 5-6 years when powering my server setup.
Doing the same. After discounts this was about $50 difference in price to replace an APC1500 tower model. This will sit in the same spot in my WFH office the old failing unit sits, and provide a lot more runtime then the old cube lead acid battery.
It is not a UPS. It won't and can't switch over as quickly as a standalone, actual purpose built UPS. Use an actual UPS in front of this if you want the best protection, but I wouldn't consider a power station a UPS.
@@Duke.Chocula You can replace the SLA batteries in your UPS with LiFePo4 direct replacements, and get the benefit of the battery chemistry and have the benefit of an actual UPS vs a power station pretending to be a UPS
Long time Anker fan on phone battery packs, etc. Just starting to delve in these battery generators. I lean toward the EcoFlow on product. However, I haven’t been impressed with their customer service so far on response time and quality of response. I always had decent luck with Anker CS. 🤷🏻♂️
You obviously did your homework on these units Good presentation
he did not he left off allot of information about the ecoflows usb charging capabilities.
I have 2 of the new River 3’s and have been deciding between the Delta 2 or 3. I think this made me decide on the 3. Thank you, good video!
Awesome! Make sure you use that extra coupon if that helps you!
Sam's Club is selling the Eco Flow River 2 512Wh solar generator for $299.
Both are great, but for me, I choose ecoflow.
Not to complain.... but was really hoping this was gonna be the X1 backup video 😂. Can't wait to see what that looks like. This was a nice breakdown between these two, thanks for getting into the nitty gritty.
@EK--ry3lr I'm looking forward to getting that published soon! The first video on the topic is going to go over the differences between the X1 and Powerwall 3. Then in the future we'll hopefully be able to do a video with one that's actually installed. There is so much to learn with all of the home battery solutions that are out there!
@@BenjaminSahlstrom Thanks for the preview! Let me know if you need a test house for installation! 😁
Don’t forget, that 10 years of use is if you cycle the battery every single day, and then it drops to 80% capacity…so you can still keep using it.
That's not quite true, once it gets to that 80% capacity it is considered done and dangerous to keep using. That's a common misunderstanding that once it reaches 80% capacity "oh I have 80% left" no, once it gets to 80% it is finished.
look the marketing is great and all about the longevity of the battery.... DO KEEP IN MIND the electronic components will have to last that long as well. otherwise sure the battery works but you wont be able to use it.
@@adcraziness1501 Interesting since I know a lot of batteries get sold for other uses that still have their 80% capacity. People build power stations with old EV batteries, etc that hit their 80%.
@@onlywenilaugh6589 I welcome you to do your own reading and searching, but yes, after a battery can only hold 80% of its rated capacity bad things happen if you keep using them. For one, the rate of degradation increases by quite a lot.
@@adcraziness1501 wdym by dangerous? Will it blow up?
You can actually get 140 out of each usb c on the ecoflow. Another channel tested and was outputting 282 watts combined
Was goijg to mention this too.
Fantastic comparison! Like you said, it's better to compare the two. It gave e a much clearer idea of what each has to offer. I also like your new set for videos. One distraction however is the weed waiving in thee foreground. Keep up the good work.
That darn piece of grass! I didn't notice it until I was editing... Being out there in the pasture is definitely more interesting than recording inside somewhere.
I didn't even notice and now it's all I see Great video I'm getting the eco flow cuz of this video appreciate it
@aaronmorrison9974 Use that link! ;) Are you buying from Amazon or Ecoflow?
Glad the video was useful for ya!
Thank you! I learn so much from your awesome channel! At what these things cost I don't understand why more folks don't just DIY. Especially when these companies get into propritary stuff.
Definitely a lot of tradeoffs either way. Nice to buy something that's plug-n-play but a DIY solution can be a lot more cost effective like you said.
I would love to see the battery stack without the cables. Putting a plug on the top and bottom to make the connection would be sweet. Sort of snap together like a Lego.
Definitely nice when that's an option. One benefit of it being a cable though is the ability to position the extra batteries in various ways. I know of times where I wouldn't have been able to use the batteries if I had to stack them due to space constraints in the camper. :)
Great demo, I never knew about the hybrid charging.
Great the battery can last 10 years, but what about the inverter? I'm sure it would fail long before 10 years.
Both are excellent brands. I like the Anker has a very strong lamp that it's great when camping.
Anker is definitely better! I have it and I love it ❤️🎉
What is the parasitic draw of each of these units for having the AC inverter turned on continuously?
I have a ecoflow mini and if I leave it alone for about 3 months, it won't turn on. I have to charge it for about 30 minutes before I can get it to power on. Guess the batteries drain for some reason. Everything is switched off but still.
This was a really cool comparison. Well done!
140 watts for each of the usb c not divided and the usb a ports are also separate and not reduced
great comparison. thank you
so which would be able to run a dometic cooler for a 4 day camping trip without needing to be charged
Both USB C ports can in fact output 140w at the same time on the Delta 3 Plus.
If the temperature rating is the most important thing for you, then don't fool yourself. They might have the rated for low temps, but you will never have it exposed to the extreme cold. It will only be exposed to the same temps you are, and since you won't be in negative temps, neither will it.
Neither of them really address DC outputs very well and limited solar input voltage
Yeah, everything has it's tradeoffs. What input voltage would you see as adequate for these type of units?
@@BenjaminSahlstrom
90v DC input, would be good - then you could use 2 36v panels in series _ they size their solar input to match the proprietary panel voltages they sell. But for using industry standard values 90v or 150v DC are more compatible.
@ds-ov9yi I've heard a theory that the 60v limit might have something to do with their UL listing. I'm trying to learn more about it.
@BenjaminSahlstrom
delta pro ultra has 2 solar inputs, one 150v the other 450v DC. It's more geared to home use, but at least it uses more standard values.
Also, it has a high current DC output available .
You may be right it may be due to the UL listing they chose to pursue
I don't think you could go wrong with either choice here. EDIT: @9:30 talking about "Hybrid" charging I haven't found it to be a big deal. At no point have I ever been in a situation where I thought "let me drag this solar panel out so I can save $0.000004 on my electric bill while charging this thing" if I'm charging solar, I need solar. If I'm charging AC, I don't need solar.
Hey! I mean $0.000004 is $0.000004! It adds up! ;)
You're definitely right. I just hadn't thought of it in that way.
@@BenjaminSahlstrom well, I also thought that it could be useful in an outdoors situation where you are supplementing a generator with solar. That does seem helpful, so I guess it can be a useful feature.
How did Anker make it in top 2????
I generally like this brand, but seriously, there are better units around from Jackery and Bluetti.
Anker is on the same lavel as a EcoFlow... EcoFlow have much more problems than Anker, I have them both ..
Only 30 seconds in and I pick the anker .
Which thing about the Anker do you prefer out of curiosity?
I'd like to know as well.
These and the Bluetti ac180 are on my shortlist to buy.
Thanks for your comparison Benjamin!
@@YouLookinAtMe-Bro cause he already has one and is just trying to feel good about his purchase.
@@BenjaminSahlstromyou picked the inferior product then. EF D3+ is clearly superior.
@@BenjaminSahlstromevery ANKER product I have ever bought has been top quality. Ecoflow could be better in this category.
Why so many plugs for 1000 watt 200 watt will only last 4 or 5 hrs lol
The biggest problem of these devices is inrush current:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current
We tried to feed 705 lbs elevator with 350 lbs counterweight from power station, as result motor coil with power factor corrector eating 120 Amperes for launching, so power station immediately resets by overcurrent.