Analyzing the Aftermath of Ship 24's 6 Engine Static Fire Test
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Analysis of the damage sustained to Starship 24 and the suborbital test stand during the recent 6 Engine Static Fire test.
0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Brush Fire Damage
5:05 - RVac Replacement Cause
6:02 - Searching for Debris
6:30 - Upgrades to the Pad
8:08 - Concrete Vaporized
9:34 - Viewing the Aftermath
12:25 - Elon's response tweet
13:00 - Camera Damage
14:53 - Possible solutions
16:45 - S24 Structural Damage?
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First a seven engine Static Fire and now a new episode? I must be in SpaceX Heaven!
B8 is now rolling as well
+ Elon heads up
Zack, your reports keep getting better and better! Keep up the good work!
You just earned my holy subscription. Good work. Keep this up. Great vibe. Good presentation style. Great analysis, interesting hypothesis. Production value is spot on. You're definitely a dude I would love to chat about the future of humanity with. Attention to detail is impeccable I would say a breath of fresh air from the SpaceX content that UA-cam has been trying to cram down my throat lately.. you know what I'm talking about, click baity titles with computer generated narration, or worse yet, a mediocre voice actor reading a script that was sounds like it was written by poor IA. Your music choices are rad. Nothing feels repetitive or too dumbed down. This video felt like a "thanksgiving dinner of videos". This left me with a lot to think about.. which is a hallmark for an epic video. If the primetime show "CSI" was "actually" good and taught you something and left you inspired for humanity. No counter arguments from me, but I super appreciate you being of that mindset. I would say that I'm confident that SpaceX doesn't have many happy accidents as we'd like to think, rather everything is well thought out and planned. So, the flaps being extended was more than likely a failure test.Keep doing you.Other Space-tubers take note, this is the way.
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@@Exitof99 They're called verses.
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ignore the grammer nazis XD
looking at you M Jones and Exitof99 -_- grammer nazis.
Amazing Comment! i love everything you said and the way you said it!
ignore the grammer nazis XD
looking at you Exitof99 and M Jones -_- .. grammer nazis.
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Thanks, great video with amazing analysis. The rain of debris was a great catch.
Nice work and more informative than most other spacex-tubers!
I hope all the SpaceX engineers are subscribed to your channel. You provide a very valuable service
Outstanding Mr. Zack , your investigative and analytical observations are a breath of fresh air. Thank you for your time and effort Sir, your reporting is measured and easy to follow, I know everyone appreciates what you are doing for inquisitive minds that just can't get enough of what we are witnessing as history is being made daily....
I really look forward to your videos Zach. Your analysis is top notch and super informative. Well done!
I like SpaceX's design approach where they have a bias for not adding parts/features early in anticipation of potential future problems. Instead they wait until they see real problems like this, and once they're convinced a new feature is necessary on a first principles basis, they will add it. This way they don't add a whole lot of unnecessary features to work around problems that never actually occur.
Great work! These deep dives give me life.
Outstanding! Again. I really look forward to each episode. You do us proud.
Very well done Zack!!! (The most interesting man of Starbase - He doesn't just say "Debris" but switches freely between "Debreez" and "Debree"!!!) 😆Luv ya buddy!
Now that is a professional analysis. Amazing work!
zack, following your progress since day 1 and your videos have been a really good companion of mine during my deployment, i just want to say keep up the good work , you're awesome
I've always loved your tweets but never knew you did UA-cam! I'm so happy right now! Amazing presentation. Will definitely be coming back. Keep up the good work man!
Keep up the good work, its very well done!
Excellent detailed and comprehensive report, given the available data. This is the first video of yours that I've seen, and I look forward to watching more. Thanks!
Its quite re assuring that the damage to 24 was basically debris damage. Once its installed on top of the booster . If it sustain the vibrations from the launch it should be fine when it separate.
As for the testing mount. The only viable solution is a blast pit with a diverter. They could increase the diameter of the walkway and armor it further. It would deflect a lot of the debris. But, that is not going to protect the underside of the ship.
Good analysis. Well done.
That isn’t known
Zack, you are knocking these out of the park. I really appreciate and enjoy your analysis and style! Keep it up!
Outstanding work analyzing what happened. I just subscribed.
Underrated channel. Any space fans should find this content fascinating.
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One criticism though, I need more jokes. Bring back rudiani lol
please no, I couldn't handle the voice 🤣
Yes we need more jokes
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Here is one problem with thick cement... It has water in it for a very long time. Its possible that the heat of the test caused this water to boil which cracks the concrete (spalling). Just a guess but a possible issue that could have caused a lot of debry.
very true.
Men I fucking love the way you investigate in every subject its passionate! Great greetings from France
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I was suprised by the detailed investigation you made in this video. So cool!!
I love this kind of content
That is some serious deep dive investigation mate. Very impressed. Keep up the great work . I have seen all these videos but never observed things that you pointed out.
It's worth noting that SpaceX's long term goal for Starship is to be able to take off from Mars or any other reasonable planetary body.
In a way, all this suborbital pad testing is a real-world study on the effects of local debris during takeoff (without booster), and will help them understand what's necessary for the "endgame" fully capable version of Starship.
I think it is also worth noting why launching FROM Mars is SpaceX's goal.
Elon is setting up a route so he can mine asteroids from the asteroid belt.
Miners would live on Mars and shuttle between the belt and Mars. Resources mined are shuttled from the belt to earth (using Mars as a gravity slingshot).
The dude has a compulsive need to prove to himself that he is better than his father. And his father had an emerald mine.
Note that on Mars it wouldn’t be any stand behind nozles, just Martian soil, at least at the begining.
BUT, it wouldn’t be active engines there, instead will be perhaps something as intended for Moon landing and depart, I mean some engines placed high and lateral. Much more complicate and problematic of course, but in fact now everything looks problematic and be sure that tests will continue until a solution is found. No alternative here, already everything is “too big to fail” ☺️
@@Dalidoso
Departure from Mars would have plenty of time to modify the launch surface -- for example with sintered regolith tiles or stainless steel sheet.
A departing Starship will also be much heavier than the lander because of the added propellant mass, so the upper lateral engines will provide only a fraction of the required thrust.
Good work. Thank you for bringing a fresh format to an oversaturated field of starship UA-cam channels.
Can’t wait to see more Zack!
Just subscribed. Love the pacing and the attention to details that most other channels miss. Keep up the good work!
Great work. Every video proves the channel name is spot on.
Debris (the s is mute) could be Martite but is more likely concrete. What causes it to break off is the fact it is soaked in water before the Raptors fire. The flames turns that water to steam which makes it explode out in all directions like popcorn.
As I see it they need to either stop using the water deluge or make the concrete water proof - or cover the ground with steel (which has to be anchored to the foundation). It should be simpler than rebuilding the stand.
Also, the cameras have to be better protected.
"Debreeze"!!! 😆
I agree. See my post about making the test stand more heat resistant.
Yup, debris s is mute cause it's French. The upper classes kept the French pronunciation of originally French words ever since the William the Conqueror, but the lower classes not always care. Got this excellent observation from my Herbalife mentor Bob Gurney sometimes in 1985 (about the dual pronunciation of words like ballet, target, buffet). Anyway, the steel plating should be an easy and quick solution to the concrete problem. Such 1/2 inch plates are used over roadwork in cities without any issues.
@@Alarix246 But it can't just be placed on the ground. It has to be very well anchored or it will fly off to God knows where.
What exactly is martite?
The strain pattern around the hole in the methane pipe is inward, so it's the result of an external impact. An internal overpressure would have sharp points bent outward from the failure point.
It could also have been damaged during removal of the engine.
Love these videos, please keep them coming!
Fantastic sleuthing, Zack, and excellent delivery. I'll Be Back! 🖖
Thanks, Zack and to all your helpers, too!
This really raises the probability that TPS tile damage is NOT due to failings of the attachment system, but may be entirely due to debris strike from the raptors firing so powerfully and so close to the pad surface. Increased water deluge alone may not be sufficient to suppress or ameliorate that.
I also suspect that having partially filled tanks has increased the surface "Q", so the hulls resonate much more to the acoustic barrage reflecting off the concrete. When the Starship operates in a partial vacuum, this factor is gone.
The reflected acoustic levels may be far lower when launching at a greater height on the booster and landing on the elevated chopsticks.
Man I love all the little details you find. Great report.
Great Video, Best channel on starship by far. Great work.
Fantastic work as always, Zack!
Thanks Zack, great reporting and a very keen eye 👍
This channel deserves a million subs. So good. 🤩
Really cool analysis
Zack, you're a rock star. Love the detail!!
Love to find a new space nerd channel! LOVE THE CNTENT!
Awesome review and analysis. Thank you.
OMG!!! This *REALLY* brings home the power of those Raptor II engines.... GREAT WORK!!
Nice analysis. Keep up the good work.
Excellent and convincing deductions !
By the time the honorable commentator went to school for the first time a big fire happened in the channel tunnel. By that time widelly accepted view of reinforced concrete fire resistence properties was that concrete being stone will cope well, but overheating the mild steel reinforcement bars might cause loosing their strenght. But then many were surprised by the aftermath footage showing huge holes on tunnel walls deep to the limestone bedrock view to which was obstructed by the intact mesh or rebar. That acident did not involve temperatures or pressures as high as rocket engines exhaust produce and although it lasted uncomparebly longer than shown here test it wasn't at all a long lasting event in terms of a firefighter brigade. Simply put portland cement concrete is a good ablative shield if there is something that can bare load behind it, which its reinforcement isn't and the dispersion of the ablation product is a factor to be dealth with.
one of your best video reports! presentation of the facts and your informed speculation, without all the theatrics, makes for superb content!
Excellent report.
Kudos to you and your team...
Interesting examination of still and video evidence. Thanks for the upload.
I think this is the first time I watched an episode of this channel all the way through. Thanks for this incredibly detailed and thorough examination and analysis of a test event at Starbase. My only criticism is that this nice chap spoke too quickly for me to have followed completely throughout the entire episode; otherwise, I was very impressed with his carefully professional consideration of the topic addressed. Consequently, I subscribed.
great presentation of this information....very good work putting pieces of information together and making sense of it. not at all like many other vlogs...thanks..
Thanks Zach, great information!
Great coverage and in depth reporting
Great job, welcome back!
Well done brother !
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GREAT Work/Analysis !!!
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Enjoyed the episode with morning coffee. Thanks for that. Looking forward to more.
I can’t understand how they’re going to pull this off safely without a substantial flame trench/diverter coupled with some serious deluge system. Yes, I understand they can’t use a conventional deluge due to the lack of availability of fresh water in the area etc etc.
As always a cogent analysis of evidence! Thanks very much.
Great job, no BS, and love the new format
Amazing video as always!
Zack, excellent narration.
Great forensic analysis!
It was my first time watching you ,good work brah
Good job on the video. Very informative. You just got my subscription
Love the exhaustive (pardon the pun) analysis! Great job! You deserve 10X the subscribers.
Let's keep in mind that this damage to Starship is only a test stand related issue. Sitting on top of the booster puts it out of the debris plume. However it does beg the question about the basic concept of not having a flame diverter trough to direct the flames and energy away from the booster for testing and launch. The charred concrete pad is likely the highest grade concrete for temperature and pressure and we can see that it's overwhelmed by the 1500 tons of rocket blast of this short test. I don't blame it for feeling a tad toasted.
Totally agree about the need to have flame diverter tunnel, together with massive water deluge system, just like NASA does at Cape Kennedy. Never understood why they didn’t do this in the first place because I feel sure they are going to have to at some point.
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Thanks! Very interesting forensic video. Thanks for sharing
Zack you are making a great progress with your videos ( since 4-5 months ago all of them are amazing ). You seem more relaxed by the day, keep doing your thing, I enjoy the work you do very much. Great entertainment for us the SpaceX nerds.
Nice job Zach appreciate the info!
Love your analysis!
First time to your channel and this was an awesome video, worthy of a follow
Insane analysis, truly a joy to watch!
Extremely well done. Many thanks. 👍
Awesome video!
Great content, no click bait, love it
was not expecting this to be nearly in-depth as you did. This is awesome!
Hey, thanks. Please checkout our other videos, they’re as in-depth if not more :)
Great reporting!!
I love the details! Keep it coming!
Great job as usual.
Great content! Thanks!
Awesome video. Good work, great explanation!
Amazing insights!
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Fantastic episode!
Great analysis. You gained a subscriber.
Well done. 1st time watcher. Impressed.
Awesome. More of these shorts please!
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SUB'd!! Impressive work man.
Good stuff as usual
You provided much food for thought. Good stuff, sir.