A REVERSE KATANA? The Rurouni Kenshin Sakabato TESTED!!

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 973

  • @Tomeroche
    @Tomeroche 11 місяців тому +649

    One thing I love about Kenshin over other characters with a vow against killing is that Kenshin is well aware of what it feels like to end a life, and he's actually willing to weight the option when it become necessary instead of just rejecting it outright. He's well aware it's his own guilt that's the cause of this so he doesn't hesitate to go Assassin mode when lives are on the line and obeying his personal morals would result in someone else paying the price.

    • @scorpionlord9175
      @scorpionlord9175 11 місяців тому +90

      and here is the interesting thing............ i rate him waaaaaay higher than batman. cause he has the general same morals as batman. but guess? he would bury joker 6 feet under, he would bury penguin 6 feet under.
      that anime character is between batman and the punisher, where he has the "no killing" morals, but he realizes that sometimes you just need to go rain hellfire down on thy enemy till they are dust.
      i love batman, i love punisher, but they are 2 extremes with no middle ground. this anime character...... he is perfection.

    • @MrAnimeLover1
      @MrAnimeLover1 11 місяців тому +19

      Yeah i prefer that kind of character over Thorfinn or Batman character. Their hesitant might cost more lives.

    • @AngelusAnsell
      @AngelusAnsell 11 місяців тому +17

      You're only half right. During the events of the show, he actually holds entirely to his vow never to kill *again*. Not a single person I know of actually dies by his hand after he shows up in episode 1.

    • @acrsclspdrcls1365
      @acrsclspdrcls1365 11 місяців тому

      The main comment actually aged like milk

    • @sonofsueraf
      @sonofsueraf 11 місяців тому

      ​@@acrsclspdrcls1365why?

  • @phenjaws569
    @phenjaws569 11 місяців тому +268

    I love seeing Tyranth and Shad arguing over silly things, reminds me of how petty my siblings and me get; also, Tyranth's face when he realized that making it double edged would improve it was hilarious.

    • @animeodin4755
      @animeodin4755 11 місяців тому +9

      "This guy didn't know what a revolution was. Not when you take over a country, the circular revolution." ☠️💀☠️

  • @themagictoaster2472
    @themagictoaster2472 11 місяців тому +229

    This video just makes Kenshin seem even more badass. Pointing out the flaws in the Sakabato shows just shows how skilled Kenshin is to be able to fight and defeat foes like jine Aoshi and Shishio with a sword that is made to be defective.

    • @Pentium100MHz
      @Pentium100MHz 11 місяців тому +36

      Kenshin in the anime never hits people with the sharp edge of his sword. His whole reason for using a reverse blade sword is to be able to use his normal techniques when fighting, but not kill people. He only uses the sharp edge of the sword to cut rope and such.
      If he was OK with killing, the anime would have been shorter.

    • @Pentium100MHz
      @Pentium100MHz 11 місяців тому +15

      @@usualrain7082 Of course he could. You do not need a sharp sword to kill someone. You can kill someone with a stick and a blunt edge of a sword has to be at least as good as a stick. This means that when he hits someone he also has to make sure to reduce the force to not kill him or to aim at a less vital area.

    • @Mordrakus
      @Mordrakus 11 місяців тому

      An example of use Sakabato by a real master. ua-cam.com/video/_OwC89qNL6Y/v-deo.html

    • @TK-nn8jd
      @TK-nn8jd 11 місяців тому +6

      @@Pentium100MHz Yah, that was one part of the series that always bugged me. Dude's walking around with a steel club (that absolutely can be used to slice people up, just not as efficiently as a standard blade, its REVERSE edged katana, not a blunted one), and everyone just accepts that's its totally not a deadly weapon.

    • @Pentium100MHz
      @Pentium100MHz 11 місяців тому +3

      @@TK-nn8jd Well, Kenshin is extremely experienced in fighting with his sword and probably can reduce the force just enough to knock people out, but not kill them (this would not be the most implausible thing he can do considering some of the techniques that he and other can do). Knocking people out without killing them with the sharp edge of the sword would be much more difficult.
      There is a real edge on the sword in case Kenshin needs to cut rope or something, also, probably, to serve as a temptation. If he's is fighting a powerful opponent who uses a normal weapon, the temptation to just flip his sword around and use the sharp edge must be huge.
      Even if the sword was completely blunt, it could still be used to kill people, though not as efficiently, even compared to a reverse edged sword), so, I guess, there is no harm for the reverse edge being sharp.

  • @patrickelze3532
    @patrickelze3532 11 місяців тому +79

    Even weebs should know that the Sakabato is a bad fighting sword. That's kinda the reason Kenshin chose to use it after he swore to never kill again. That's why we love Kenshin, a renowned swordsman who intentionally chooses to cripple his effectiveness so he cannot kill.

    • @elementalist1984
      @elementalist1984 11 місяців тому +11

      That's the only thing I didn't like about it, characters saying or implying that he can't kill with a reverse blade. That's right up there with saying you can't kill with a blunt sword because it isn't sharp.

    • @agrippa2012
      @agrippa2012 11 місяців тому +9

      ​@@elementalist1984its more about symbolism than realism, shad explains it perfectly at 6:15

    • @elementalist1984
      @elementalist1984 11 місяців тому +1

      @@agrippa2012 I get the symbolism, but there are characters that actually say, "oh it's a reverse blade sword, you can't kill anyone with that". And that always bothered me. On the one hand it's not true, and on the other it didn't need to be said.
      Again it's basically the only problem I have, and I absolutely love the anime, hell I've probably watched it at least ten or twelve times and I'm waiting for the remake to get finished so I can watch it.

    • @agrippa2012
      @agrippa2012 11 місяців тому +1

      @@elementalist1984 Well, there is at least one time in the story where its actually shown to us that he can indeed kill with the reverse blade, the scene where he duels his master and learns his ultimate ability. The only reason why his master survived is because one of the pins from the handle got loose.
      but yeah, i agree with you that is something that doesn't need to be said.

    • @patrickelze3532
      @patrickelze3532 11 місяців тому +2

      @@elementalist1984 I don't mean to say he is incapable of killing with the Sakabato. Even without reversing the sword, you can use blunt-force trauma to kill someone. I simply mean he is intentionally limiting his ability to do lethal damage.

  • @benderedu
    @benderedu 11 місяців тому +693

    Maybe it's time to build a double edge katana

    • @PJDAltamirus0425
      @PJDAltamirus0425 11 місяців тому +65

      Skallagrim has already has one and tested it, they could look for him for pointers.

    • @defeqel6537
      @defeqel6537 11 місяців тому +82

      Why stop there? Go triple edge instead!

    • @giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947
      @giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947 11 місяців тому +40

      They were already quick, what I want now is a Rapier-style Katana.

    • @ThomasNing
      @ThomasNing 11 місяців тому +11

      I think there's a katana variation with a false edge from the tip going a few inches down

    • @tdata545
      @tdata545 11 місяців тому +8

      @@defeqel6537 With a tanto point? INTERESTING...

  • @kiefgringo
    @kiefgringo 11 місяців тому +99

    I love that the findings included that, while yes, it could cut as a sword would, it wasn't the cleanest or easiest to use. Which, when you think about it for his character, it's just further testament to Kenshin's ability to wield it effectively, when it is needed. I also like the idea that it's still effective on it's blunt edge. Imagine using that as a warning strike on an attacker. If they persist, you then have the option to use the bladed edge to further defend yourself.

    • @Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken
      @Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken 11 місяців тому +14

      That and Kenshin's style is entirely built around speed, arguably speed not attainable by actual living people, but still.

    • @themagictoaster2472
      @themagictoaster2472 11 місяців тому +18

      They also proved that it’s not really effective as a blunt weapon. Although you can probably incapacitate your opponent with it, it would be very difficult to kill with the blunt edge. Which is exactly what Kenshin wanted.

    • @Wizardbeard91
      @Wizardbeard91 11 місяців тому +5

      Watch the live action rurouni Kenshin he says he don't kill people but like bat man he beats the life out of them leaves them paralyzed and retarded that blunt edge is nice and effective lmao

    • @Hellaframes
      @Hellaframes 10 місяців тому

      @@Wizardbeard91leaves them paralyzed and retarded 😂 I’m fucking crying. Ima big bat man hater and I’ll definitely be using this as one of his cons.

  • @adriellightvale8140
    @adriellightvale8140 11 місяців тому +255

    Such a sword does exist in the Philippines. No one has ever made a longsword-length version, though. Yet.

    • @General_Kenobi_212
      @General_Kenobi_212 11 місяців тому +28

      You mean a Ginunting? It's essentially the signature weapon of Pekiti Tersia Kali. Like you said though it's only a 1 handed sword though...

    • @shaider1982
      @shaider1982 11 місяців тому +6

      Thanks for the info. I may have seen this but did not know it was a Filipino weapon.

    • @giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947
      @giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947 11 місяців тому +7

      Quick metalworkers, we have a Gap that needs to be filled

    • @tdata545
      @tdata545 11 місяців тому +3

      I thought they found one in japan as well, and like you said, not in Katana length, but assassin length.

    • @dylanbaker3681
      @dylanbaker3681 11 місяців тому

      Look up "kogarasu maru"

  • @MatthiasClan
    @MatthiasClan 11 місяців тому +27

    Might I recommend checking the Let's Ask Seki Sensei's video on reverse edge katanas. It wouldn't offer much to your analysis on cutting technique quality, but seeing an actual master using traditional techniques with a sakabato is just fascinating to watch.

  • @travishancock9120
    @travishancock9120 11 місяців тому +139

    I love Nate's "Why am I the only responsible adult here?" attitude.

    • @bloodlove93
      @bloodlove93 11 місяців тому +15

      as the bald guy,hes automatically the oldest regardless of birth date,so obviously hes responsible.
      haha

    • @MiguelMedV
      @MiguelMedV 11 місяців тому +1

      @@bloodlove93 _LM🅰️OOO,_ this is greatly accurate 🤣👍🏼...

    • @theothertonydutch
      @theothertonydutch 10 місяців тому

      That's not an attitude, just an observations.

  • @NontpNonjo
    @NontpNonjo 11 місяців тому +96

    The inner edge sounds almost like a scythe sword. Really cool concept, and I've always heard the argument that it would hit the opponent around their guard, but I'm not so sure I buy that, even in theory.

    • @ecothunderbolt257
      @ecothunderbolt257 11 місяців тому +12

      In order for it to matter at all you'd need a much more exaggerated curve. Not to mention you can thrust "around" a shield or something with just a regular ass curved sword anyway.

    • @NontpNonjo
      @NontpNonjo 11 місяців тому +3

      @@ecothunderbolt257 Yeah, more like a falx, but again, the more practical use is for digging into armour or shields.

    • @lilguyfinish
      @lilguyfinish 11 місяців тому +2

      In a bind the curve is more than enough to get around another katana. Though granted you usually try to avoid binds in kenjutsu. Within its context its a pro. I'd check out Seki-Sensei's video on the topic. He pointed it out as an advantage as well.

    • @its_dey_mate
      @its_dey_mate 11 місяців тому +2

      The Romans had to add extra protections to their helmets JUST because of the Dacian falx. It hit the shield, but the curved blade went further and cracked skulls. This blade though seems to have too little of said curve to have that effect.

    • @petermuller3995
      @petermuller3995 11 місяців тому

      @@NontpNonjo Digging into what kind of armour?

  • @AshleyHope4More
    @AshleyHope4More 11 місяців тому +17

    These newer videos are such good quality. Love the whole crew, really adds to the videos

  • @Joshuazx
    @Joshuazx 11 місяців тому +32

    5:39 Kenshin was called Hitokiri Battousai. The literal meaning of hitokiri is manslayer or mancutter, but the word hitokiri is used to describe an assassin. Battousai means someone who regularly uses battojutsu (now Iaijutsu). Kenshin's former name Hitokiri Battousai means the assassin who uses iaijutsu. Why is it impressive to be known for killing using iaijutsu? Because Iaijutsu is about drawing a sword from its scabbard and striking in one motion, meaning Kenshin was so good as an assassin that he killed his targets and ended the fight in the same motion of drawing his weapon.
    If you read this comment, that is proof that you are still a bigger nerd than me.

    • @Faint366
      @Faint366 9 місяців тому +1

      Well that explains iai sheath from monster hunter.
      So basically he was one punch man but with a katana?

    • @Joshuazx
      @Joshuazx 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Faint366No, Kenshin definitely had vulnerabilities. Kenshin was just a profound athlete and swordsman.

    • @Faint366
      @Faint366 9 місяців тому

      @@Joshuazx oki doki

    • @thekirby53
      @thekirby53 9 місяців тому +1

      and the sakabato has a disgusting draw cut, that will catch most off guard unless they know its a sakabato and about that technique.

    • @Wysewolf
      @Wysewolf 4 місяці тому

      ​@@Faint366 I highly recommend Ruroni Kenshin. It isn't planetary or univeraal level stuff like more modern Shonen, but the story and characters are very well done.

  • @MiguelMedV
    @MiguelMedV 11 місяців тому +34

    I didn't know Shad likes Rurouni Kenshin too, yes, it's a tremendous story 😄💪🏼.
    Little info: "Rurouni" means "Wanderer", so "Kenshin The Wanderer" is the title, a fictional story based on true events with fictional characters mixed with historical ones 👍🏼💯🌟...

    • @deathlasha
      @deathlasha 11 місяців тому +1

      I'll partially agree with that that sounds about right kenshin was a real person though

    • @MiguelMedV
      @MiguelMedV 11 місяців тому +3

      @@deathlasha Kawakami Gensai was a real manslayer from the Bakumatsu, yes, he became a Kenjutsu teacher afterwards but was sentenced to death by the Meiji government...

    • @deathlasha
      @deathlasha 11 місяців тому +1

      @@MiguelMedV Yes, that sounds spot on. But I forget what he was executed for.

    • @MiguelMedV
      @MiguelMedV 11 місяців тому +2

      @@deathlasha It's out there but IIRC he started preaching against the government's actions, pretty much like Kenshin, dissatisfied at the regime he helped to build...

    • @ebreshea1337
      @ebreshea1337 10 місяців тому

      "Rurouni" is a word made up by the author. It's often translated as "wanderer", though. It is based off the word "ronin" but from context you can sort of deduce it's not exactly the same. Unlike a Ronin, they wander not because they lost their lord, or are disgraced, etc., but do so in order to achieve some personal enlightenment, or to serve the people directly rather than a lord.

  • @thomaslacroix6011
    @thomaslacroix6011 11 місяців тому +46

    There's a video of a katana expert (edit: Seki Sensei) using it and he's surprisingly appreciative of it. He showed many tricks that could be used to surprise an enemy. It does rely a bit on being unusual, so using strikes that can't be done with a normal katana, but it isn't that bad.

    • @momokochama1844
      @momokochama1844 11 місяців тому +4

      Do you mean Seki Sensei?

    • @thomaslacroix6011
      @thomaslacroix6011 11 місяців тому +3

      @@momokochama1844 yeah exactly

    • @maggot216
      @maggot216 11 місяців тому +7

      I've dropped quite a few comment's on that video. It shows that the blunt edge could be used to sever a tendon if Kenshin wanted to.

  • @majorasmask5523
    @majorasmask5523 11 місяців тому +33

    I’ve been waiting for this one. It’s a personal favorite. Another favorite is Death’s use of double scythes from Darksiders 2. The way he does it has potential to be legitimately viable.

    • @gamermanzeake
      @gamermanzeake 11 місяців тому +11

      Huge problem with scythes, which is the reason you don't see war picks as much as clubs or maces on the battlefield. Getting stuck in your enemy is a very real issue that shows and cartoons do not properly represent.

  • @ryuuronin9852
    @ryuuronin9852 11 місяців тому +18

    I literally just found out they've already released a remake of Rurouni Kenshin today. How has it taken an entire month after it started for me to see any news on it, now it's everywhere all at once!

    • @JoRoq1
      @JoRoq1 11 місяців тому +2

      I’m enjoying the remake so far. The animation is not as fluid or cinematic as the original, but the episodes are much closer to the original manga stories. The only thing I’m not thrilled with is the new opening and closing themes; definitely a reflection of the popular styles of the different times.

    • @Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken
      @Th1sUsernameIsNotTaken 11 місяців тому

      Month? There's 19 episodes already lmfao.

    • @booploops22
      @booploops22 10 місяців тому

      ​@@JoRoq1 The animation of the 2023 show is interesting. The way it plays out feels like a manga - not just the lack of animation but the shots as well. It's unfortunate that they aren't taking full advantage of the medium but the action is good when it needs to and the writing so far has been solid.

  • @avaliantsoul5408
    @avaliantsoul5408 11 місяців тому +20

    Comes down to blade geometry. When you cut meat/cheese/etc, you want to SLICE. Its much less effort to draw the knife towards yourself (or push away) than it is to just bear down on the blade. This is enhanced in slashing blades, which are typically curved back towards the wielder like a katana, as the curve works in tandem with the arc of a strike to create a drawing motion (from the perspective of what is being cut).
    Many curved blades are found in regions where distinctly European advances like plate armor or chainmail are prevalent, making slashing more effective (not necessarily more than stabbing, just more worthwhile in general). European advances in armor dictated a need for weaponry that could pierce or bypass it. Thus, more versatile weapons would be more helpful, and getting hit by a mace doesn't hurt any less in a suit of plate armor than it does if you're in breeches.
    based solely on the reverse blade, I would guess that the primary use case would be to force an opponent into unfamiliar territory. It's not a weapon that most would encounter, and that could give you an advantage. the other use case is more for dueling. if you aren't confident in dispatching a solo opponent quickly but you have plenty of time and space to maneuver, you may be better off harrying your opponent.
    While you won't achieve deep slices due to the blade (between the geometry and the arc of a slash, you get MORE resistance the longer the slice is), you CAN more easily make smaller cuts with the tip. Even little cuts can hurt, especially if they are located in sensitive areas and cuts bleed. The human body can only lose so much blood before it begins to slow down, so literally bleeding out your opponent may be an option. It's Death By A Thousand Cuts, but a victory nonetheless.
    DISCLAIMER: not a swordsman, just analyzing based on random bits of knowledge

  • @KingSpectre844
    @KingSpectre844 11 місяців тому +10

    I loved the leaf suba. It's a wonderful representation of the design ethos of a reverse blade katana. Makes me think of "the way of the leaf" from the Wheel of Time.

  • @shanewiford1758
    @shanewiford1758 11 місяців тому +55

    Now this makes me think about how a katana with a double edged would work

    • @dylanbaker3681
      @dylanbaker3681 11 місяців тому +7

      Look up "kogarasu maru"

    • @OniGanon
      @OniGanon 11 місяців тому +7

      Rather than completely doubled edged, maybe just the top third or quarter on the back end, since it seems only effective near the tip.

    • @Ferreira0PH
      @Ferreira0PH 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@OniGanon basically a two-handed, stiff Polish sabre

    • @arielquelme
      @arielquelme 9 місяців тому

      It will be weaker and more prone to break, since it lacked spine

  • @garrettschienschang7898
    @garrettschienschang7898 11 місяців тому +31

    I feel this would make a better bone breaker than most clubs

    • @dhanu_4539
      @dhanu_4539 11 місяців тому +2

      That's kind of what he uses it for 😅

    • @ColeBlueford
      @ColeBlueford 11 місяців тому +6

      Pretty much the same as the mechanics behind a flanged mace. More pressure X smaller area = shearing force. Though I doubt a blunted sword would be as good against armor as something like a proper flanged mace or toothed hammer is.

  • @jackduncan5311
    @jackduncan5311 11 місяців тому +10

    Hey guys! Thought I'd help/clarify the Falx reference. The Dacians used the Falx which was shorter and also used as a farm impliment (harvesting grain). Apparently the Romans had to re-enforce their armour at the time to specifically combat this weapon.
    The Rhomphia was more of a Thracian weapon and was basically a reverse Katana, it was also highly effective and sometimes used in conjuction with a sort of strapped bronze buckler on the forearm.
    Hope this helps!

    • @Romkosss
      @Romkosss 11 місяців тому +2

      Rome Toal War 2 features that warrior as "Thracian nobles"

  • @whiskers3818
    @whiskers3818 11 місяців тому +1

    Loved the camera quality. Tyranth’s swings are a work of art. Nate’s knowledge and attitude brings a lot to the video. I was sceptical with the move towards more action packed videos over the more video essay style back in the day. But you’ve dome a fantastic job Shad. Keep up the amazing work.

  • @SolarDragon007
    @SolarDragon007 11 місяців тому +56

    Shad should watch the live-action Kenshin films. They're really solid, entertaining movies that faithfully adapt the source material.

    • @Wizardbeard91
      @Wizardbeard91 11 місяців тому +6

      Soooo. Good

    • @XanderVJ
      @XanderVJ 11 місяців тому +4

      Faithfully... I mean, they're definitely more faithful than most manga/anime adaptations, but it still has some major deviations, specially the first movie.
      Although the movie "The Beginning", which is an adaptation of the entire Tomoe flashback section of the Jinchuu arc (the part that earlier adapted in the legendary "Trust and Betrayal" OVA), is indeed an almost 1:1 recreation of the story of the manga. That movie is by far the best in the series.

    • @VK-sz4it
      @VK-sz4it 11 місяців тому +2

      I dislike all kinds of manga shenanigans, but I loved those movies, expecially prequel one. They are not only intertaining they are good.

    • @ryecrow6072
      @ryecrow6072 11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for commenting this! Genuinely had no idea there were any live-action, I’ll have to check them out!

    • @Wizardbeard91
      @Wizardbeard91 11 місяців тому +1

      @@ryecrow6072 they are legitimately good you don't even need to watch the anime if you like a good samurai movie then you'll like the live action films

  • @shelbybayer200
    @shelbybayer200 11 місяців тому +59

    I mean, it's supposed to not be for Killing
    The Protagonist purposefully is using a sword not to use for killing
    He only uses the Killing Edge when he's intending to kill
    By the way, that Sword with the Blue wrap handle reminds me of a Video Game Protagonist's Main weapon shown in artwork

    • @susano-wo1570
      @susano-wo1570 11 місяців тому +5

      Right? "This sword, which is presented as a handicap when he needs to get serious, is not an effective weapon" 😆

    • @articusramos808
      @articusramos808 11 місяців тому +5

      To be honest kenshin gets bloodthirsty if he uses a real one..not a pretty good idea to get him to kill

    • @jamesmaybrick2001
      @jamesmaybrick2001 11 місяців тому

      @@susano-wo1570 Is this entire video about Shad entirely missing the point? I expected so from the thumbnail. Fair enough i suppose, the obvious stupidity did get me to click and comment. So as dumb as the video is, it wokred i suppose.

    • @jcaesar19871
      @jcaesar19871 11 місяців тому +6

      But you can still kill someone with that sword. The same way you can kill someone with a bat. lol

    • @articusramos808
      @articusramos808 11 місяців тому +1

      @@jcaesar19871 just hit very very hard and it's a trip to the coroner

  • @tdata545
    @tdata545 11 місяців тому +8

    The great thing is they found a REAL LIFE VERSION of this blade. At first it was stuck in the Mythology stage, and then they dug up a real version. I think it was technically more in the "assassain's" length like 12-14 inches, and was used for throat slitting, but it did technically exist. I don't remember what they dated the blade at. Since I don't know enough about the japanese periods, even though I do love the Anime and Samurai X is great.Edit: Kenshin was a manga. Your weebness is waning.

    • @410cultivar
      @410cultivar 11 місяців тому +1

      It was a extremely poorly made blade tho. They have no idea why it was made.

  • @CircuitReborn
    @CircuitReborn 3 місяці тому +2

    Everyone talks about Kenshins sword. They all forget Sanosuke had that giant horse killer sword in the first season which was basically the berserk sword on a pole.

  • @giraffecube63
    @giraffecube63 11 місяців тому +3

    I found one of these in a flea market and actually quite enjoy it as a weird sword no one else around me has. I never thought of reverse edge cuts but what it did do was make thrusting feel more intuitive in my opinion. Never was a huge fan of thrusting with katanas but this made me feel like I could even thrust one handed or throw out a quick thrust comfortably.

  • @Tarvo27
    @Tarvo27 11 місяців тому

    I'm glad to see this video! I love Rurouni Kenshin and been waiting for a video like this for ages. Great video!

  • @jugglejunk
    @jugglejunk 11 місяців тому +9

    There are Nagamaki's (half sword-half pole arm) that have a false edge that could easily get sharpened to function.

  • @tobias2287
    @tobias2287 11 місяців тому +1

    There's an excellent video from Seki Sensei where a master of forty years - Seki Sensei - tests a sakabato blade and demonstrates techniques with it, both traditional and improvised. Those videos have been extremely educational for me as a martial artist and I can't recommend the channel enough!

  • @Phoboskomboa
    @Phoboskomboa 11 місяців тому +4

    This is really interesting. I saw a video a few weeks ago with a traditional Japanese sword master giving his input on the reverse edge, and he obviously had a much more technique-focused take on things. He showed how many of the standard techniques could be used differently, some better, some worse with the reverse edge. Some no longer worked at all, but there were also some new moves. He never brought up the European style reverse edge cut, though, because it's not really a thing in his style. I would love to see him react to this video and these guys watch his.
    Also, the obvious benefit of a reverse edged katana is that Japanese swords are far more standardized in shape and technique than other regions. I could see someone going around with this in the Edo period and taking out more skilled opponents before they noticed that wrong end was sharp and their techniques and strategies based on protecting from the normally sharp end left them vulnerable.

    • @xantiom
      @xantiom Місяць тому

      Seki Sensei

  • @anderporascu5026
    @anderporascu5026 11 місяців тому +1

    What I love about anime characters is there is moral and emotional weight even in the heat of battle.
    For reverse edge, the Aztecs, Romans and Persians did that. Two edges would make it a pirate cutlass or an early American saber.

  • @Star_Wars_With_PercyMan
    @Star_Wars_With_PercyMan 11 місяців тому +3

    Kenshin is my favorite anime protagonist of all time!

  • @AlexHyena1
    @AlexHyena1 2 місяці тому +1

    this definitely seems like the type of weapon you want to run the blade across your enemy in a slashing motion rather than a cutting one; with the blade coming to a sharp point, a good slash would easily tear through deeper tissue causing a more devistating injury

  • @amorphoussolid8512
    @amorphoussolid8512 11 місяців тому +9

    Kenshin, my favourite. I love the chemistry between you guys. Watching Had and Tyranth argue while Nate calmly keeps in the middle, lol.

  • @Silverstarvixen
    @Silverstarvixen 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for this. It’s cool to see Kenshin’s sword being tested.

  • @kolemannpatton4628
    @kolemannpatton4628 11 місяців тому +5

    I’m curious how well a slice would work where you’re pulling in towards the body during the cut. Drawing the blade along the target and pulling the tip inwards as you do so. The curve reminds me of a silky hand saw I use as an arborist.

  • @joshuan3265
    @joshuan3265 9 місяців тому

    I just came from your response video. I missed that you guys made this video and was happy to check it out.

  • @RainMakeR_Workshop
    @RainMakeR_Workshop 11 місяців тому +5

    I've always wanted a double edge katana that had a traditional katana profile. Boshi, kissaki and yokote features all still present. Just with the back/mune also being sharp. All the ones I've seen online don't look like a katana blade. They all have a drop point tip.

    • @samamies88
      @samamies88 11 місяців тому

      skallagrim has (or at least had) 2 edged nodachi (it is very much like katana but longer) so check his video to get some clue how it performs ^^

    • @RainMakeR_Workshop
      @RainMakeR_Workshop 11 місяців тому

      @@samamies88 Indeed he does, and it doesn't match what I said at all. It has the drop point style tip that I mentioned having seen. Lacking the classic profile I said I want in one.

    • @dylanbaker3681
      @dylanbaker3681 11 місяців тому

      Look up "kogarasu maru"

  • @jiokl7g9t6
    @jiokl7g9t6 2 місяці тому +1

    1) if you're going to use a reverse edge blade then you should apply ginunting mechanics
    2) as a student of a koryu tradition I can say definitely that you do NOT block with the side of a nihonto: the blade will bend. You either block with the back or the edge. At least 1 koryu has no problem with blocking with the edge and turning the sword onto a bread knife: better the edge gets detroyed rather than you - you replace the sword after the battle. There are many antique nihonto with cuts into the mune, indicating that the user used the back for blocking in actual combat.

  • @reeceemms1643
    @reeceemms1643 11 місяців тому +12

    Day gosh knows how many times I have been asking for a video on the misconceptions of medieval themed weddings. From the engagement and how that differed between the presents and nobility, to the ceremony itself, to what happens after the ceremony. Mostly because I know I definitely got some misconceptions when writing the wedding scene between the two main characters in my fantasy novel.
    It would also be interesting to learn about the consequences of the actions of the characters going into and after the marriage. Just encase we want to add something like this to our own novels or roleplaying games if it fits the theme and the setting.
    Since my story has a theme of being free to do what you want regardless of societal views the wedding shows the main character the princess of the kingdom that had been taken over by the big bad, running away from an arranged marriage to the big bad and after some shenanigans going on to marry the other main character out of genuine love for each other. Despite the fact that the other main character is a disowned exiled Nobel turned Rogue.

    • @tohothewriter8002
      @tohothewriter8002 11 місяців тому +1

      I don't mean to insult you as a writer, but I'm curious to know if you have an aversion to commas, periods, and pacing. I ask because punctuation helps the reader not lose track of events in the narrative. Basically, what I'm saying is to cut up/down your long sentences that feel long winded and never ending... looks amateur writing that could explode in popularity with a little bit of refinement.

    • @reeceemms1643
      @reeceemms1643 11 місяців тому +1

      @@tohothewriter8002 I understand what your saying. I’m sorry that my punctuation and grammar isn’t the best. It’s usually good when I’m writing my stories, it’s just that this is a comment. I hope that adding a paragraph helps

  • @Likexner
    @Likexner 11 місяців тому +1

    Blunt edge in pop culture: knocks you out cleanly with one strike
    Blunt edge in reality: kills you, but more painfully than a sharp edge

  • @GS_CCC
    @GS_CCC 11 місяців тому +4

    It is good against another katana when your opponent doesn't know about it, there is a video from Seki sensei talking about it.

    • @NarrowSpark96
      @NarrowSpark96 11 місяців тому

      Seki Sensei?

    • @GS_CCC
      @GS_CCC 11 місяців тому

      @@NarrowSpark96 yep.

  • @MKChompVT
    @MKChompVT 11 місяців тому +1

    This reminds me of a video of a modern day samurai displaying and describing how to properly use the reverse blade, even alternative method to the traditional technique due to it unusual nature of being a reverse blade.

  • @senounatsuru6453
    @senounatsuru6453 11 місяців тому +36

    Y.... yeah. It's supposed to suck. Kenshin wanted to avoid killing as best he could after doing so for quite some time.

  • @flamingsaiyan1007
    @flamingsaiyan1007 11 місяців тому

    Listening to you explain the story and geek out about kenshin brings me joy for some reason lol

  • @titocristobal5573
    @titocristobal5573 11 місяців тому +5

    Ruruon Kenshin (known as Samurai X here in the Philippines) is what introduced me to anime. I'm so glad they are remaking it, and it's been amazig so far!

  • @XxPunisher121xX
    @XxPunisher121xX 9 місяців тому

    Only a couple channels I’ve subscribed to this fast lolz you guys are awesome and hilarious😂 keep up the great work! Love your videos!

  • @Kitzune-ql6wi
    @Kitzune-ql6wi 11 місяців тому +6

    Me personally, I kinda see Kenshin’s sword as like a Rhomphaia, a Greek incurved sword used by gladiators.

    • @turkicsayajin2274
      @turkicsayajin2274 11 місяців тому

      i love the thracian reverse swords to, gives more reach if i’m not mistaken.

  • @Aetoski
    @Aetoski 9 місяців тому

    this is one of my favorite videos you guys have done

  • @Assassin1344
    @Assassin1344 11 місяців тому +13

    I hope you guys know that now you have to get a double edged katana to try out.

  • @djgoku7774
    @djgoku7774 11 місяців тому

    Loved Kenshin and those cuts you guys did was clean and I understood all of the criticisms in real combat vs Kenshin's path.

  • @blindprophet182
    @blindprophet182 11 місяців тому +4

    I think its a mistake going in like its supposed to have an advantage. Isnt it specifically reverse blade to be less deadly? Looking it in the context of viable primary weapon, youre missing the little point this weapon has. Its basically less lethal arms. Its like rating a flashbang for explosive lethality military conflict.

  • @KRIMZONMEKANISM
    @KRIMZONMEKANISM 11 місяців тому +1

    19:00 the EXACT moment that realization kicks in lmao :D

  • @RaiosSephi
    @RaiosSephi 11 місяців тому +73

    Shad... You're stating the obvious

    • @justinrodriguez3916
      @justinrodriguez3916 11 місяців тому +4

      What part specifically?

    • @RaiosSephi
      @RaiosSephi 11 місяців тому +10

      @@justinrodriguez3916 Sakabato is utterly useless.
      Kenshin is just skilled

    • @pyrrhusofepirus8491
      @pyrrhusofepirus8491 11 місяців тому +1

      ⁠@@RaiosSephiWhy does he use it then if it’s useless? If you say that he’s just skilled then he must know it’s useless, does he like crippling himself? Did he want a really bad Falx?

    • @nodot17
      @nodot17 11 місяців тому +4

      ​@@pyrrhusofepirus8491iirc he swore against killing so he got a reversed blade.... instead of just getting a weapon without an edge

    • @agrippa2012
      @agrippa2012 11 місяців тому +2

      ​​@@pyrrhusofepirus8491 Because he wants a blade that is incapable of killing, which is not exactly realistic because a sword like this can still kill but the whole thing is more about symbolism than realism, if you read the manga you will understand what i mean by this.

  • @thearjguy7241
    @thearjguy7241 11 місяців тому

    This was really interesting to watch. I would love to see more reviews of unconventional weapons in the future!

  • @buckduane1991
    @buckduane1991 11 місяців тому +3

    Doesn’t matter if the sword doesn’t function well: the point of it is to have a sword designed not to kill. Kenshin was basically super human, and still he overcame the issues in the blade without ever having to take a life… and Shisho even commented that a “reverse blade sword will be slower to swing” and “lacked the edge alignment of a normal sword” the first time Kenshin faced down the psycho apprentice boy… and his sword shattered. So, yeah… it’s a sword meant to keep the one holding it in check.

  • @gamermanzeake
    @gamermanzeake 11 місяців тому +1

    I ABSOLUTELY loved Tyranth's realization there... Two edges? Hmm where has that been made before.
    Not to be the negative commenter here, but none of the big or small channels I watch - who refrain from self-promotion - have any kind of monetary issues. It turns out, begging works for some, but many others don't appreciate it. The reason why folks like me will never aptly support channels firsthand... Is because content creation is a hobby, not a job. This is regardless of whether or not you make it a job. No one is paying me for my hobbies, don't expect such from others.
    Christ says that the workman is worthy of his hire. You will gather and garner funds by working more than begging ever could.

  • @leftistadvocate9718
    @leftistadvocate9718 11 місяців тому +3

    so it's basically a falx?

  • @Ubernewb111
    @Ubernewb111 11 місяців тому +1

    I saw a video where someone gave one of those swords to a japanese sword master and he showed how to use it. Basically its strength comes from the element of surprise. In order to strike with the bladed end you have to make swings that you wouldn't with an ordinary katana, so your opponent would most likely be unprepared to block your hits.
    Also where the bladed end is on the inside curve you can slice past stadard guards, but the biggest draw back is that you have to be careful not to cut yourself

  • @sebastianrivera9537
    @sebastianrivera9537 11 місяців тому +7

    Ngl not even gonna watch this one cause that one channel with the Samurai master already showed how good it could be 😭

    • @Weatherman4Eva
      @Weatherman4Eva 11 місяців тому +2

      I know exactly who you mean and I was going to mention the same thing

    • @kevinmorrice
      @kevinmorrice 11 місяців тому +1

      Is that the one with shogo

    • @sebastianrivera9537
      @sebastianrivera9537 11 місяців тому +1

      @@kevinmorrice yeppers

  • @spiritrunner76
    @spiritrunner76 11 місяців тому

    To simplify the concept of an inverse curve and how it changes an impact. A standard curve cuts through and out. An inverse curve chops in and bites. Hitting hard resistance makes the length of the blade want to follow the curve. So if the curve is leading into the length of the blade, that's where the cut travels. By my (mind you limited) understanding that would translate to greater transfer of force because the impact makes the strike become effectively harder by not letting it glance or curve off. The trade-off being the usual problem of a blade biting in. it gets stuck.

  • @ghostwriter3175
    @ghostwriter3175 11 місяців тому +3

    Wow. Shad says a katana sucks... who could have seen that coming....😒

  • @KaijuKiller76
    @KaijuKiller76 11 місяців тому

    That's a crazy sword! Great video guys! Love it!

  • @Bosnerdly
    @Bosnerdly 11 місяців тому +1

    Rurouni Kenshin IS awesome! I've rewatched the anime and reread the manga many times in the last 25 years.

  • @AFT3RDAY5
    @AFT3RDAY5 11 місяців тому

    Great video and an interesting sword. I’m keen on seeing the blue one, that looks absolutely gorgeous 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @Banzai_AWOS
    @Banzai_AWOS 11 місяців тому

    For the blunt attacks, you have to remember that it's going to be hitting with a more focused impact instead of having a spread out impact like normal clubs, this would make breaking bone even easier, the only caveat is that it has less mass than a club would as it is a sword, meant to be light and nimble.

  • @estrangeibanez3051
    @estrangeibanez3051 6 місяців тому

    That is a nasty tsuba...🤘🏼.
    A reverse blade katana actually has advantage over traditional. The motion to cut hands, wrists or a finger is easier especially when parrying. The wielder doesn't have to turn the edge to cut. All you have to do is move the blade forward, down, up or what have you. Also the blade acts like sickle. Great video!!!

  • @lag00n54
    @lag00n54 10 місяців тому +1

    ye I've seen a vid where a master was showing what you can do with a reverse katana
    certain techinques becomes simpler and gives advantage
    they also showed how to bring it out from sheath and doing quick strikes

  • @NinjaQuick
    @NinjaQuick 11 місяців тому

    Great show, really cool concept. Good to see comments have little to no pushback against the show/story due to the author. Great video!

  • @guruminde
    @guruminde 11 місяців тому +2

    Watch more Seki Sensei videos, especially on drawing, and sheathing the katana. Also the one with sakabato, and all the trick shots

  • @zakpeppers6594
    @zakpeppers6594 9 місяців тому

    I love how even though he said it at the beginning, but Nate just drills it in that he hasn't seem the anime.

  • @aoifeoffaerun
    @aoifeoffaerun 11 місяців тому

    I loved how the concept of the Sakabatō, as explained by Himura Kenshin; was that it is designed to cause more injury to the weilder (most weilder injuries happening to their shoulders from drawing back, too far) as oppossed to the enemy. Most injuries coming from when first learning how to truly weild the blade by bring the sword back too far. My favourite example of Kenshin ending up utilising the cutting edge of his sword; was his fight against a bloodthirsty Jin-e, who he once fought alongside during the Bakumatsu with the Shinsengumi. It was such an amazing fight and story point for our beloved Hitokiri Battōsai.
    For those who might not know, "Hito" means "Person" and "kiri" means "cut". (Person cutter, hence why they chose manslayer and/or slasher (for its televised version on children's networks). While "Battōsai/Battousai" being the specific name that was given to Himura Kenshin over his mastery of his art of Iaijutsu (the art of quick-drawing ones sheathed sword (cutting edge facing up (or rather down in Kenshin's case thanks to the cutting edge being reversed with his Sakabatō) to prevent gravity form dulling the blade)) to attack or defend in a single motion). Which was taught to a young fifteen year old Himura Shinta by Seijuro Hiko.
    Another thing that I loved was how the four real Hitokiri of The Bakumatsu- Kawakami Gensai, Kirino Toshiaki (also known as Nakamura Hanjirō), Tanaka Shinbei, and Okada Izō loosely inspired the manga/show.
    Ruro-Ken's Hitokiri:
    Himura Kenshin - loosely based on Kawakami Gensai.
    Shishio Makoto
    Udō Jin-e
    Saitō Hajime
    Uonuma Usui
    Takimi Shigure
    Takatsuki Gentatsu
    Sasaki Heihachirou

  • @Aptarus
    @Aptarus 11 місяців тому +1

    Shad & the gang verifying that a sword made in order to be inefficient is indeed inefficient :D (when used traditionally).
    Jokes apart it's still interesting to check the quality of the product (materials, fitting, finish, sharpness & so on). Unlike other videos where you see "sword masters" seriously thinking about (& trying) how to fight efficiently with it - which is the exact contrary to why it was made so.

  • @jeremywenham3211
    @jeremywenham3211 11 місяців тому

    The smoothness of Shad’s transition from cutting edge to blunt edge was 👌

  • @Deadlyindustry
    @Deadlyindustry 11 місяців тому

    I see a vid coming where they acquire a 2 edged katana and than testing it.
    Love all your vids shad and crew!

  • @yugij0319
    @yugij0319 9 місяців тому

    When I was in high school, my grandma bought me the entire Rurouni Kenshin manga set, because a library was selling. It was a very good read.

  • @comrade_michael
    @comrade_michael 10 місяців тому

    fun fact, back in roman days the getae tribes of dacia had similalrily shaped swords known as sica, falco or falx and rhomphaia, which were really quite effective. mostly used to get around shields

  • @chazcartwright
    @chazcartwright 11 місяців тому +2

    One thing I thought I should point out and this is a recuring thing when you guys' test something. you mentioned there is not enough mass behind the weapon for force. "Force is Mass X Acceleration." so, if there is not enough mass you can make up for it with more acceleration. Which is part of what was mentioned in the anime. His style of swordsmanship was using high speed slashes, and most of your testing is pretty normal in the speed department. I think you might need to bring someone in who is more suited to high-speed fighting for certain tests just so you can get a better range of test results. Just something to think about. 🤔

  • @Smona
    @Smona 11 місяців тому

    this is perfect timing actually, I started watching Rurouni Kenshin two days ago!

  • @yonathanruttimann8847
    @yonathanruttimann8847 11 місяців тому +1

    On the "let's ask Seki-sensei" channel, they tested the Sakabatto as well. It's really interesting

  • @TalesofDawnandDusk
    @TalesofDawnandDusk 11 місяців тому +1

    As someone who translates old Japanese stories into English (see channel if interested) I have never ever even heard rumor of a 逆刃刀 sakabato. Now, I enjoyed Rurouni Kenshin, especially the prequel Trust and Betrayal which is absolutely dripping with traditional Japanese themes and motif and I highly recommend, but a reverse blade katana is actually such a silly idea that it shows up nowhere in the old literature, even when dealing with benevolent, Buddhist types who have vowed never to kill. By all means, enjoy RK, suspend your disbelief, I certainly do. As Shad mentions, it's a really interesting narrative device, but realistically a reverse blade is very very silly.

  • @renaissancenovice7202
    @renaissancenovice7202 11 місяців тому

    I love Kenshin and love the anime weaponry you have been doing.

  • @night_san03
    @night_san03 11 місяців тому +1

    Side note: I had an idea for a weapon that could make nunchucks better.
    Starting off: make one half significantly longer, about 1.5× standard size, and tip with lead or steel...
    For the other side, just use a dagger.
    Link(preferrably chain) length: 1ft.
    This way, it still has the maneuverability with the long chain, which can be used to loop and bind opponent weapons, you get the reach of the long stick, but the option of a lethality when needed.

    • @Deadly_DoRight
      @Deadly_DoRight 11 місяців тому

      You kinda just reinvented the Kusari-gama from the Japanese

  • @duydangdroid
    @duydangdroid 11 місяців тому

    the back of the blade is also softer to help absorb shock without breaking. also swinging the thick side first has more drag than leading with sharp edge thus slowing kenshin's slashes.

  • @Munchticles
    @Munchticles 10 місяців тому +1

    Shad, I doubt you'll see this comment, but those that do a channel called "Let's ask Seki Sensei" did a video about these style swords a few months ago. I'd love for you to watch it and maybe revisit this sword. Going into that video I thought it was just a gimmicky anime sword but when used by an expert it's a devastating weapon. The main problem is people try use it like a normal katana but backwards how it was in the anime which actually used it wrong. It's best used normal and as more of a counter-strike weapon meant to use the back back edge and utilizing quick wrist flicks to be a monster wrist slasher and great for literally disarming an opponent.

  • @MatejVelican
    @MatejVelican 8 місяців тому

    This is SUCH an INTERESTING sword, with so much potential, requiring sooooo much practice

  • @Grandwigg
    @Grandwigg 11 місяців тому +2

    Let's ask Seki Sensei did an interesting video on a similar (or same?) model sword about two months ago. Might be worth looking at.
    And it's time to jump back into RK again, That it is!

  • @DainiusB2
    @DainiusB2 10 місяців тому

    It's built not for cutting, but for dueling. You can injure your opponent way easier when you're in a duel with an opponent that is using a regular katana, as you can cut your opponent even when he blocks the initial swing. Plus you have leverage and when opponent blocks it when you hit from above, you can use it as a hook with very little movement.

  • @elricengquist9989
    @elricengquist9989 11 місяців тому +1

    What is interesting about this is that in the anime it is showcased, and even told to the viewer via Kenshin himself as well as other characters, just how ineffective Kenshin's sword is. The only thing that makes it work is his skills, while also the sword he used for most of the anime was made from the scrap of another reverse blade sword he would gain later hampered it's usefulness.

  • @zijie-he
    @zijie-he 11 місяців тому

    I got one from Amazon several years ago, it's interesting to practice with it.

  • @somethingsomethingsomethingdar
    @somethingsomethingsomethingdar 11 місяців тому +1

    "You're blue balling everyone!"
    Shad: Continuous to blue ball everyone.

  • @edwardbuott9270
    @edwardbuott9270 11 місяців тому +1

    For your next project in line with this video and the revolting ones, you should test a double edged Katana

  • @christopherfleetwood5252
    @christopherfleetwood5252 11 місяців тому +1

    So what I’m hearing is that it’s Extremely Thematically Appropriate.
    It requires ABSOLUTE Precision, in regards to edge alignment.
    It has an EXTREMELY HIGH skill floor as a weapon.
    And responds exactly as you would expect as a defensive tool (with the blunt end).
    It’s a katana for masters that have renounced killing.

  • @giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947
    @giulyanoviniciussanssilva2947 11 місяців тому

    These videos prove the point that these fictional characters are truly unkillable monsters.
    They have mastered the art to the level of turning something ridiculous into a weapon.

  • @semarugaijin9451
    @semarugaijin9451 11 місяців тому

    HOLY CRAP!!!! You literally read my mind, I was literally thinking of this just 2 days ago! LOL

  • @DrTheRich
    @DrTheRich 11 місяців тому

    The reverse curve is bad for edge alignment, because when swinging the center of gravity wants to drag behind your hand to stabilize it. This reverse cure makes the center of gravity proceed your hand, making it an unstable dynamic situation, so perfect edge alignment is harder.

  • @axelmok498
    @axelmok498 11 місяців тому +1

    The channel "Let's ask Seki Sensei" did a video on that Katana with a kendo master using it and techniques he consider more viable for it.
    I think it would be cool to do a follow up or maybe a few shorts testing some of those method out.

  • @BeenNoticing
    @BeenNoticing 11 місяців тому

    I'd love to see further exploration of this with more footwork involved.

  • @strikezrow
    @strikezrow 11 місяців тому

    To make that thing cut properly, a tightening circular swing would be good. Usually, circular strikes with a sword open up into a crescent so the blade can travel more. In this case, you need to almost do the opposite to make it cut.