I have the G430 SFT and couldn’t imagine not having it now. As a former baseball player I naturally slice and now I hit it straight. I agree wish they would make a 9 degree
I generally have the same issue as Mike does, though a little more push to the right. This game me some great insight for when I can get fit that is not brand specific. Thanks for the great info as usual.
What do you have for the dreaded two-way miss? My miss is hook left or block right. Stealth+ 10.5 (swapped weights front to back, heavier back) neutral sleeve adjustment I'm trying a Newton 4 dot shaft right now. Distance and dispersion has improved a little. I hook my Stealth+ 3W as well. Diamana TB 70S. When I square it, OMG! Outstanding! But, I'm wearing out the toe for the most part. I've hit some running hooks that have been in the 265-270 range. That's unrealistic for a 62 y/o with a wonky back. It gets so much right to left spin it's almost like topspin! 😂
I have a similar issue to Mikey as far as leaving the face open 3 to 4 degrees except my swing path is slightly in to out 1.5 degrees give or take. Ian has the ideal swing path . Is the big miss left caused by flipping the wrists or is it a grip related issue. I'd love to see more on this subject.
I know it's not out yet, but do you think a similar "anti-slice" goal will be achievable with the new Ping G430 10k? They are going to release that in a 9 degree head.
I have a Taylormade Burner Superfast TP 10.5 degree with the expensive S-Flex shaft in those days. Nice trajectory and anti-hook with the weight port in the toe and 1 degree open face. Old driver, but as long as any I've hit. You need to be able to close on impact or it goes dead left for a lefty. Anti hook and then some. Can produce a slight draw.
They aren't teachers. They're club fitters. Just staying in their lane. But yes I agree that lessons/fitting can be used in conjunction to make a ton of difference.
Being a clubfitter myself for a long time, you will deal with customers, who just want to play golf and abandoned lessons years ago. They won’t change their swing, so you as a fitter take over and do the damage control. Sometimes, it’s an SFT doing the trick, next time it’s a Tripple Diamond. Whatever gets the player to be more confident and swing without fear.
My observation was specific to those who are far less competent than those who were demonstrating that they wanted to tweak a minor left/right dispersion, ball flight, spin rate, etc.. Yes, a tweak to a driver for these issues are a reasonable solution. However, significant left/right dispersions can’t be mitigated by the best club fitter on the planet. A better solution would be that the fitter recommend a do-over AFTER a lesson or two. If I missed the fitter recommending that…Oops! I also understand that some clients are so stubborn that they are committed to the fitting process no matter what; even after listening to the advice of a responsible fitter who would recommend the aforementioned.
Great video. So what were the final specs for each? Maybe Mikey in the 430 Max 9* head would be better since not having to lower loft and open the face?
I grabbed a 425SFT head last year, and I was immediately playing down the left side of the fairway. Which for someone who always played down the right, was a nice change. I was able to start dialing down loft, opening up the face angle, and have switched over to the flat lie angle setting. I now start just a touch right, and it draws back. As mentioned, I wish they had a 9* head, as that would be perfect for me.
I requested this word for word on most recent “you request it,we test it” so pretending this was just for me. Question still stands. 10.5 SFT? Or 9° Max, weight in heel, face shut work on swing and have a more versatile driver to grow into.
I have 2 strips of lead tape on my ST-Z on the toe and more forward..... I find with back weighting, once you've lost the face the back weight overtakes and makes it a duck hook..... Great video 👍
I’ve never had problems with my driver dead straight if it was off target my aim was the problem. I went to club champion to get a new driver and now I can’t hit it straight. On the simulator the driver I got was straight and going 300 yards. On the course I slice it bad. Every once in a while I hit it well but mostly sliced right. The guy put a stiffer heavier shaft on the driver telling me it would help. It didn’t help I’m never getting fitted again at club champion.
Mizuno stg 220 with weights in the back and the toe. A LA Golf 3VD1 75TX. I went from snap hooking drives to playing a consistent fade-slice. The most anti hook driver I’ve ever played
Guys: I will be into a g430 10K max in 9 degree this year. I played a G430 max last year, and hook the holy hell out of it. What was the shaft "drawer Joe" used with the g430 to get that ball flight back online?
The best solution is go lessons learning swings instead relying on equipment to swings slice on driver but other clubs might have different swings path will have further confusion 😢
Mikey fading like me!!!! This is definitely giving me ideas to tinker. You guys are a bit far for me, but I'll make the trip to sauga to see the celebrities!!! Hahahaha fly Mikey fly. Flee the nest and move to Markham or Newmarket!!!
I was originally fit into a triple diamond to stop the lefts. Issue I have is similar to Ian's - the thing does not want to spin enough if hitting a draw. If I hit one with enough spin it's a ball that starts right and stays right. If it's turning over (which is my natural shot) it tends to fall out of the sky.
$600 for a new fitted club vs 12 30 min driver lessons to fix the path that costs $50/lesson. I would take the latter then invest in a club that works for the fixed swing which most likely will not be an anti slice/draw driver that promotes the bad swing.
I play the Cobra LTDx LS and now I wonder if that driver is more slice or draw bias. I got fitted by club champion and wish my fitters were half as knowledgeable as you guys are.
I only use my weights in a neutral position that causes me to feel like i deliver the face consistently. When i slide the weight heel or toe, i lose all control and cant reliably deliver the face.
Are all of your club fitters as knowledgeable as Ian? I want to get fit at your Mississauga location but I've wasted my money and time with "club fitters" elsewhere.
Purchased the G430 Max earlier this year and must have hit close to a thousand balls between range and course and eventually handed it back to the club pro to sell. Worst drivers I’ve ever gamed an absolute slice machine. Replaced with a TSR3 which is out of this world. Was genuinely devastated not to be able to hit the Ping especially given everyone else on the planet thinks it’s the dogs bollocks 😂
Serious question for mikey, if you have struggled with a fade for soo long, why do you not game a draw bias 9° driver ? Surely being a club fitter of your calibre, a draw driver would be a no brainer ?
@@mishaelvillalvazo6055those last few words are key talking about ego. Someone who struggles with fades/slices should not be in a TSR3 8° which I believe is what he was playing. The 8° and low spin head are counterintuitive to what he’s trying to accomplish. The lower loft and lower spin are going to make that ball curve so much more. It’s spinning high and coming out high because the club face is open, that’s all
@@lutaayawamala perspective maybe? The lower the backspin a driver offers, the more sidespin can take over the spin profile and cause the ball to curve left and right. If backspin is more prominent, sidespin doesn’t take over as quickly.
@@lutaayawamala previous reply is correct. Lower spin heads provide less BACKSPIN, while side spin is probably the same or even more. That’s why these drivers are described as “workable”.
They can (and I imagine they did) but doing so also changes the lie and face angles. There's only so much you can do with the adjustment sleeve, sometimes you just need the metal (or carbon) itself to be set at a different loft.
Would be good to see the outcome of using the loft sleeve to 9deg (I know it opens the face) then stack other adjustments on that (for fader). Great video. I use G425 SFT which has made a huge difference to my ball flight though it isn’t the longest driver.
Don't get me wrong I love golf and all things golf but I do think over recent years there has been too much mumbo jumbo thrown at us to the point where it becomes hard to just go out and enjoy the game. For me I still think most of it comes down to confidence and liking the club you have in your hand. What did we all do before fitting was a thing and adjustable drivers/clubs were on the market? I know I certainly played a lot better because the game was much simpler and you concentrated more on playing the shot rather than worrying about spin or dynamic loft or what was that tip the guy on UA-cam said? There's no doubt you guys are very good at what you do but I do think it can be to the detriment of golfers also with too much information and too many thoughts instead of just enjoying the game for what it is. Long time subscriber btw but just starting to change my thoughts and attitude towards the game and how I personally go about it ⛳🏌️👍🏼
Your comments are interesting. Seems like all this analysis can over complicate things. No doubt. However, I’m just getting back into golf in a serious manner after taking 20 years off after I pivoted to fencing as my main sport. What really intrigues me now is I can do individual practice sessions and get immediate feedback from a launch monitor. As an example, years ago on the driving range hitting buckets of balls I really struggled discerning if the slice/hook was from club path or club face angle. I really struggled with body awareness to figure that out. Took lessons which helped but after the lessons fell back into old habit patterns. Now after a lesson I can combine launch monitor with simulator to repeat some of the actions from the lesson and check club path against face angle and make an adjustment on my next shot. That’s just one example. There is probably a middle way between over analysis and being too much in your head versus connecting with your body and letting things flow. Probably each individual needs to find the sweet spot. Sounds like you found yours which is great!
I have the G430 SFT and couldn’t imagine not having it now. As a former baseball player I naturally slice and now I hit it straight. I agree wish they would make a 9 degree
I generally have the same issue as Mike does, though a little more push to the right. This game me some great insight for when I can get fit that is not brand specific. Thanks for the great info as usual.
Gem of a video gents. Kudos
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Loving all the new content guys!! What was the final build settings for the anti-left?
My miss is usually out the toe so I’m definitely curious about this !
What do you have for the dreaded two-way miss? My miss is hook left or block right.
Stealth+ 10.5 (swapped weights front to back, heavier back) neutral sleeve adjustment
I'm trying a Newton 4 dot shaft right now. Distance and dispersion has improved a little.
I hook my Stealth+ 3W as well. Diamana TB 70S. When I square it, OMG! Outstanding! But, I'm wearing out the toe for the most part. I've hit some running hooks that have been in the 265-270 range. That's unrealistic for a 62 y/o with a wonky back. It gets so much right to left spin it's almost like topspin! 😂
I have a similar issue to Mikey as far as leaving the face open 3 to 4 degrees except my swing path is slightly in to out 1.5 degrees give or take. Ian has the ideal swing path . Is the big miss left caused by flipping the wrists or is it a grip related issue. I'd love to see more on this subject.
I know it's not out yet, but do you think a similar "anti-slice" goal will be achievable with the new Ping G430 10k? They are going to release that in a 9 degree head.
Is Ian ever gonna offer fitting in calgary?
What was the Anti Draw #2 head and configuration?
Can’t wait to see the G430 max 10k
Guys what do I hit draw on sim never on course.
Anti hook - how would a 10* tsr3 opened to 9.25* and put in flat setting with toe weight?
I would think it becomes a heavy fade or slice machine at that setting.
I have a Taylormade Burner Superfast TP 10.5 degree with the expensive S-Flex shaft in those days. Nice trajectory and anti-hook with the weight port in the toe and 1 degree open face. Old driver, but as long as any I've hit. You need to be able to close on impact or it goes dead left for a lefty. Anti hook and then some. Can produce a slight draw.
At no time, did I hear them suggesting a golf lesson before getting fitted to mitigate their left/right issues.
They aren't teachers. They're club fitters. Just staying in their lane. But yes I agree that lessons/fitting can be used in conjunction to make a ton of difference.
Ian addressed that directly, in the closing minutes of the video.
It's an experiment ffs😂😂 they are just showing what can be done
Being a clubfitter myself for a long time, you will deal with customers, who just want to play golf and abandoned lessons years ago. They won’t change their swing, so you as a fitter take over and do the damage control. Sometimes, it’s an SFT doing the trick, next time it’s a Tripple Diamond. Whatever gets the player to be more confident and swing without fear.
My observation was specific to those who are far less competent than those who were demonstrating that they wanted to tweak a minor left/right dispersion, ball flight, spin rate, etc.. Yes, a tweak to a driver for these issues are a reasonable solution. However, significant left/right dispersions can’t be mitigated by the best club fitter on the planet. A better solution would be that the fitter recommend a do-over AFTER a lesson or two. If I missed the fitter recommending that…Oops! I also understand that some clients are so stubborn that they are committed to the fitting process no matter what; even after listening to the advice of a responsible fitter who would recommend the aforementioned.
What was the anti hook g430 settings again? 9* open and fully flat with weight in toe?
I'd love to know this; as my miss is definitely a hook with driver.
What ended up final build for Ian’s Ping? Shaft and G430 Max?
Great video. So what were the final specs for each? Maybe Mikey in the 430 Max 9* head would be better since not having to lower loft and open the face?
This is one of the best videos by the channel...hands down!
I grabbed a 425SFT head last year, and I was immediately playing down the left side of the fairway. Which for someone who always played down the right, was a nice change. I was able to start dialing down loft, opening up the face angle, and have switched over to the flat lie angle setting. I now start just a touch right, and it draws back. As mentioned, I wish they had a 9* head, as that would be perfect for me.
I requested this word for word on most recent “you request it,we test it” so pretending this was just for me. Question still stands. 10.5 SFT? Or 9° Max, weight in heel, face shut work on swing and have a more versatile driver to grow into.
Is it true that if I fit a RH Ping driver head onto a LH adapter, the 'flat' setting will actually make it sit a little more upright?
So for the anti hook, did they just put it in the flat setting? Did they change the weights at all ? What else did they do to make it anti hook?
an anti right driver that spins at like 2500 instead of 3300 bc spin is also my issue in the SIM2 Max lol.
I have 2 strips of lead tape on my ST-Z on the toe and more forward..... I find with back weighting, once you've lost the face the back weight overtakes and makes it a duck hook..... Great video 👍
This is Why You Two Awesome Golf Club Fitting Guru’s are the Best. Well Done
Be nice to see Mike in the 430 Max with the weight in the heel… better loft, etc.
I’ve never had problems with my driver dead straight if it was off target my aim was the problem. I went to club champion to get a new driver and now I can’t hit it straight. On the simulator the driver I got was straight and going 300 yards. On the course I slice it bad. Every once in a while I hit it well but mostly sliced right.
The guy put a stiffer heavier shaft on the driver telling me it would help. It didn’t help I’m never getting fitted again at club champion.
Mizuno stg 220 with weights in the back and the toe. A LA Golf 3VD1 75TX. I went from snap hooking drives to playing a consistent fade-slice. The most anti hook driver I’ve ever played
I know it's just the mic rubbing or whatever but it sounds like Ian's at the chiropractor with every backswing 😂
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Guys: I will be into a g430 10K max in 9 degree this year. I played a G430 max last year, and hook the holy hell out of it. What was the shaft "drawer Joe" used with the g430 to get that ball flight back online?
The best solution is go lessons learning swings instead relying on equipment to swings slice on driver but other clubs might have different swings path will have further confusion 😢
Driver is the one club I DO NOT want to see a big right miss on. Happy to sacrifice some distance for consistency.
Mikey fading like me!!!! This is definitely giving me ideas to tinker. You guys are a bit far for me, but I'll make the trip to sauga to see the celebrities!!! Hahahaha fly Mikey fly. Flee the nest and move to Markham or Newmarket!!!
I was originally fit into a triple diamond to stop the lefts. Issue I have is similar to Ian's - the thing does not want to spin enough if hitting a draw. If I hit one with enough spin it's a ball that starts right and stays right. If it's turning over (which is my natural shot) it tends to fall out of the sky.
I really enjoy your vlogs gents. I find them entertaining, educational with a touch of humor. Thx gents and keep it up.
$600 for a new fitted club vs 12 30 min driver lessons to fix the path that costs $50/lesson. I would take the latter then invest in a club that works for the fixed swing which most likely will not be an anti slice/draw driver that promotes the bad swing.
So good! Thank you for comparison. Lefty trying to build an anti-draw myself so I can swing loose.
I play the Cobra LTDx LS and now I wonder if that driver is more slice or draw bias.
I got fitted by club champion and wish my fitters were half as knowledgeable as you guys are.
I only use my weights in a neutral position that causes me to feel like i deliver the face consistently. When i slide the weight heel or toe, i lose all control and cant reliably deliver the face.
Is there a way to test your actual grip strength with each swing? Ie: stronger grip for me, dead straight pull or slight draw.
Are all of your club fitters as knowledgeable as Ian? I want to get fit at your Mississauga location but I've wasted my money and time with "club fitters" elsewhere.
This video is money!!! Great work and such a clear demonstration from both sides of the fairway.
Can you try the TSR2 9 Degree with +8 gram weight in back with Vanquish 5S for Mikey.
What should be the dynamic loft for driver and all other clubs? Should it be close to the loft of the actual head?
I have a two way miss so not sure this could help. I do want to get fitted, but feel need more work on the swing.
"Never slice again," he says.
Hold my beer.
I love this video. I just started shadowing a fitter, and this is great.
Mikey you just need to try and hit off the toe on purpose for like 10 shots and you'll start shifting that strike
One day, Mikey is gonna do the "club chuck" at Ian's head. LOL...
Ian and Mikey are my favorite YT odd couple.
It sucks that there’s no fitting center like this anywhere near me!
Anyone else hear Fader Joe and Giorgio?
Great video fellas
You guys are getting funny.
Fader Joe..Love it
I need that antileft driver#2
Purchased the G430 Max earlier this year and must have hit close to a thousand balls between range and course and eventually handed it back to the club pro to sell. Worst drivers I’ve ever gamed an absolute slice machine. Replaced with a TSR3 which is out of this world. Was genuinely devastated not to be able to hit the Ping especially given everyone else on the planet thinks it’s the dogs bollocks 😂
Try the ping g430 SFT and I bet you can’t slice it . I have both the SFT and max and there is a huge difference
Great video. How about a video for folks with a negative attack angle?
They have done that - you will need to search in their videos list. They show the type of driver you need when you have a negative AoA.
Fader joe drives were longer than the slice killer.
Sure, but fader Joe ran out of golf balls by the 12th hole and had to walk back to the clubhouse. The whole experience ruined his weekend. 😔
Serious question for mikey, if you have struggled with a fade for soo long, why do you not game a draw bias 9° driver ? Surely being a club fitter of your calibre, a draw driver would be a no brainer ?
Draw bias drivers add a ton of spin, might not be a viable option. There may be a couple of heads that work but ego does crazy things to humans😂
@@mishaelvillalvazo6055those last few words are key talking about ego. Someone who struggles with fades/slices should not be in a TSR3 8° which I believe is what he was playing. The 8° and low spin head are counterintuitive to what he’s trying to accomplish. The lower loft and lower spin are going to make that ball curve so much more. It’s spinning high and coming out high because the club face is open, that’s all
Lower spin causes a ball to curve more? Incorrect!!!!
@@lutaayawamala perspective maybe? The lower the backspin a driver offers, the more sidespin can take over the spin profile and cause the ball to curve left and right. If backspin is more prominent, sidespin doesn’t take over as quickly.
@@lutaayawamala previous reply is correct. Lower spin heads provide less BACKSPIN, while side spin is probably the same or even more. That’s why these drivers are described as “workable”.
Thanks for this review. I have been wanting to see Mikey hit the SFT for some time. Regarding the SFT, can’t you make it 9* using the sleeve?
They can (and I imagine they did) but doing so also changes the lie and face angles. There's only so much you can do with the adjustment sleeve, sometimes you just need the metal (or carbon) itself to be set at a different loft.
Dropping it down to 9% will open the face more
Can they offset open face from lower loft with draw+ setting?
Would be good to see the outcome of using the loft sleeve to 9deg (I know it opens the face) then stack other adjustments on that (for fader). Great video. I use G425 SFT which has made a huge difference to my ball flight though it isn’t the longest driver.
@@anthonyfarmer8387 agreed!
Freaking awesome video! The before & after flights, dispersion, etc. were night and day! Well done gents!
Don't get me wrong I love golf and all things golf but I do think over recent years there has been too much mumbo jumbo thrown at us to the point where it becomes hard to just go out and enjoy the game. For me I still think most of it comes down to confidence and liking the club you have in your hand. What did we all do before fitting was a thing and adjustable drivers/clubs were on the market? I know I certainly played a lot better because the game was much simpler and you concentrated more on playing the shot rather than worrying about spin or dynamic loft or what was that tip the guy on UA-cam said? There's no doubt you guys are very good at what you do but I do think it can be to the detriment of golfers also with too much information and too many thoughts instead of just enjoying the game for what it is. Long time subscriber btw but just starting to change my thoughts and attitude towards the game and how I personally go about it ⛳🏌️👍🏼
Your comments are interesting. Seems like all this analysis can over complicate things. No doubt. However, I’m just getting back into golf in a serious manner after taking 20 years off after I pivoted to fencing as my main sport. What really intrigues me now is I can do individual practice sessions and get immediate feedback from a launch monitor. As an example, years ago on the driving range hitting buckets of balls I really struggled discerning if the slice/hook was from club path or club face angle. I really struggled with body awareness to figure that out. Took lessons which helped but after the lessons fell back into old habit patterns. Now after a lesson I can combine launch monitor with simulator to repeat some of the actions from the lesson and check club path against face angle and make an adjustment on my next shot. That’s just one example. There is probably a middle way between over analysis and being too much in your head versus connecting with your body and letting things flow. Probably each individual needs to find the sweet spot. Sounds like you found yours which is great!
I'll keep saying it till I see it 👀 Mikey needs to stop the long John Daly backswing 😂 He get more control imo 🤷🏼♂️