Thanks. Very relatable. I like the way you talk about different generations and What really matters. Greetings from dark Finnish winter, this made it a bit warmer.
Do what we love as often as possible. Share what we love when anyone shows some interest. It's really simple. Focus on what we like, ignore what we don't like as much as possible. Anger can be addictive, but it is seldom fun. I am a cis white male even older than Lance and I have played wargames since the early '70s and jumped into D&D about 1977. Not being a "mainstream" type of person, I never had a problem with others who like something that doesn't appeal to me. Play the games we enjoy and be happy we can do that! ❤
Like you say they’re a vocal minority, and unfortunately they feel emboldened and validated by their echo chamber communities. 🤨 Wait a minute… Here I am, agreeing with you and your vile ideas about being considerate and accepting and respectful. Am I also in an echo chamber? 🙃 Nice to see you back to extended ramblings. When you released a few 15 minute videos in a row I started to worry about you. 😁
I'm glad that I avoid most all of these shitty channels that are full of cranks... but I certainly do experience it from time to time too... so I'm with ya, Lance. Tell those old men to just "grow up, already!" lol :-)
I always like the social element more than the rules, and both should be adaptable, improvable and discardable. The game should be about the interaction between the players and their characters, and the rules should help that flow, not impede it. Official rules are a good uniform starting place but the signs of a true roleplayer is when they've created their own set of rules which are a marriage of their personality as a GM and the dynamic of the group they entertain. As for politics, it's really only there if a person (not player) goes looking for it, or manufactures it if they don't find it. People who do that wont immerse themselves in the game, which is why I don't call them players, because they are always, to an extent, an outsider, refusing to leave that part of themselves at the door on the coat rack. Love the rant, btw. I like how our generation of pioneers are nurturing the following generations into a passtime that was widely shunned and ostracised by the likes of Jack Chick. I'm always amazed by the variety of TTRPGs out there, as well as how boardgames have expanded beyond Monopoly and Cluedo, and I'm always keen to try the new, especially someone's homebrew rules as they're a real passion project that I want to support. Thanks again.
Hell yeah, Lance, give em hell. Play what you want but also, no one is forcing Woke ideas on anyone. It is about embracing new players and making all people feel welcome nit just lifers. I have played TTRPGs since the mid 1990s.
Well said and I mostly agree with you man. If I like to eat anchovies on my pizza or listen to k-pop or black metal - how does that hurt you? Same thing here. Gaming options aren't zero-sum. All the rules and adventures most people could ever want already exist. If corporations slap new coats of paint on stuff and it works out for them, ok? Guess what there's a person online making a game for you, or make one yourself! Heck there are game creators with views I am opposed to making stuff for all manner of person and political or social ideology. I run into enough commentary on the people with 'bad' cultural views to know this goes both ways - and all by vocal minorities. I generally couldn't care less if a person has bad views if their product doesn't. If I felt that way their would be tons of books, movies and music I'd have to try and filter. It just comes down to the basic idea of being cool and letting others (adults anyway) live their chosen way unless it is actually harmful to others. I'm certainly not in your specific political camp (or anyone else's), heck I am not in one at all as my views are radically in 'both' directions on various things, but I'd certainly never suppose to suppress someone else's argument or opinion to maybe learn from them, just to understand them, or even just to identify them as someone I'd probably be better off with or without in my limited time here.
@@industrialstr242 I am exposed to dozens if not hundreds of D&D players through groups, game stores, library clubs, and so forth. I have yet to run into anyone who is a staunch 5E player talking shit about people who play OSR. I keep hearing this "goes both ways" stuff...I just haven't experienced it. My apocryphal experience is just that, so it is not the law of the land for certain. The toxicity seems to just come, for the most part, from old white men.
@@UndeadVikingVideos Yeah - I have actually experienced none of it in-person, thankfully. I have only great things to say for the cons and games I have attended. I am only going by online forums, podcasts, etc. I'm sure you're right in your experiences, but mine are that the people I read/etc. call out 'bad creators', 'alt-right' suspects, or whatever they claim (perhaps validly) etc. more often than people discuss stuff being 'woke' or whatnot. This is almost certainly because of the media choices I make and that they are generally in the progressive sides of the OSR. So yeah... probably I suffer from limited exposure. But like you said, and I also believe, it's a seemingly rather small number of people and in the end, again as you say and I agree - the complaints are just bitchy or ways to show your 'clan' - and really don't matter. Ben at QB caught grief recently online 'platforming' (maybe a sponsor??) that is somehow outside the Overton window or something.. I don't know who or what they did that was uncool/etc. but I have heard it alluded to. I know he covered an LotFP book a while back also... You can't even discuss LofTP in some blogs/forums or creators or you get warned/banned. I believe all posts about it on /OSR are marked as spoilers/hidden and I am pretty sure it's not because the stuff is often (in my opinion) gratuitously gross and full of body horror and stuff that'd never fly for me at my table. Heck, RPG.net is extremely censorial. It's in their guidelines or whatever. That's cool and their absolute right, but this is the stuff I encounter far more than the bitchy old white dudes. Sorry that went on a bit and I rambled. I wasn't trying to contradict you - just that my exposure is different.
In my head canon, The Undead Viking cannot die. BTW, I liked your channel before our current political climate. I like it even more now. I was politically disinterested until 2016. Now I find it to be critical as a coarse filter before I engage in conversation or business. It's unfortunate, but necessary. Yes, I saw Questing Beast's recent video as well as another popular grognard. It is, all things considered, not an issue. Well, unless Elon "The Savior" Musk becomes the head of the Department of Anti-Wokeness and starts busting down the doors of people playing unsanctioned D&D.
Thanks. Very relatable. I like the way you talk about different generations and What really matters. Greetings from dark Finnish winter, this made it a bit warmer.
@@jukkaheinanen3914 as an American of mostly Norwegian ancestry, I wish you a warm winter!
You are a loon, but in a good way. Loved it. Well said. Cheers.
The Loon is the state bird of Minnesota
=D
Do what we love as often as possible. Share what we love when anyone shows some interest. It's really simple. Focus on what we like, ignore what we don't like as much as possible.
Anger can be addictive, but it is seldom fun.
I am a cis white male even older than Lance and I have played wargames since the early '70s and jumped into D&D about 1977. Not being a "mainstream" type of person, I never had a problem with others who like something that doesn't appeal to me.
Play the games we enjoy and be happy we can do that! ❤
@@freddaniel5099 well spoken.
Like you say they’re a vocal minority, and unfortunately they feel emboldened and validated by their echo chamber communities.
🤨 Wait a minute… Here I am, agreeing with you and your vile ideas about being considerate and accepting and respectful. Am I also in an echo chamber? 🙃
Nice to see you back to extended ramblings. When you released a few 15 minute videos in a row I started to worry about you. 😁
Hopefully I will be able to rant about something else sometime soon.
I'm glad that I avoid most all of these shitty channels that are full of cranks... but I certainly do experience it from time to time too... so I'm with ya, Lance. Tell those old men to just "grow up, already!" lol :-)
They never will
@@UndeadVikingVideos lol... Hate to agree. ;-)
I always like the social element more than the rules, and both should be adaptable, improvable and discardable. The game should be about the interaction between the players and their characters, and the rules should help that flow, not impede it. Official rules are a good uniform starting place but the signs of a true roleplayer is when they've created their own set of rules which are a marriage of their personality as a GM and the dynamic of the group they entertain.
As for politics, it's really only there if a person (not player) goes looking for it, or manufactures it if they don't find it. People who do that wont immerse themselves in the game, which is why I don't call them players, because they are always, to an extent, an outsider, refusing to leave that part of themselves at the door on the coat rack.
Love the rant, btw. I like how our generation of pioneers are nurturing the following generations into a passtime that was widely shunned and ostracised by the likes of Jack Chick. I'm always amazed by the variety of TTRPGs out there, as well as how boardgames have expanded beyond Monopoly and Cluedo, and I'm always keen to try the new, especially someone's homebrew rules as they're a real passion project that I want to support.
Thanks again.
@@MinkStolle thank you for taking the time to add your voice to the discussion. Great points
Hell yeah, Lance, give em hell. Play what you want but also, no one is forcing Woke ideas on anyone. It is about embracing new players and making all people feel welcome nit just lifers. I have played TTRPGs since the mid 1990s.
@@jamesbrazeal3847 normally I don't want to give anyone the business, but sometimes...sometimes I have just had enough.
Well said and I mostly agree with you man. If I like to eat anchovies on my pizza or listen to k-pop or black metal - how does that hurt you? Same thing here. Gaming options aren't zero-sum. All the rules and adventures most people could ever want already exist. If corporations slap new coats of paint on stuff and it works out for them, ok? Guess what there's a person online making a game for you, or make one yourself! Heck there are game creators with views I am opposed to making stuff for all manner of person and political or social ideology. I run into enough commentary on the people with 'bad' cultural views to know this goes both ways - and all by vocal minorities. I generally couldn't care less if a person has bad views if their product doesn't. If I felt that way their would be tons of books, movies and music I'd have to try and filter.
It just comes down to the basic idea of being cool and letting others (adults anyway) live their chosen way unless it is actually harmful to others.
I'm certainly not in your specific political camp (or anyone else's), heck I am not in one at all as my views are radically in 'both' directions on various things, but I'd certainly never suppose to suppress someone else's argument or opinion to maybe learn from them, just to understand them, or even just to identify them as someone I'd probably be better off with or without in my limited time here.
@@industrialstr242 I am exposed to dozens if not hundreds of D&D players through groups, game stores, library clubs, and so forth.
I have yet to run into anyone who is a staunch 5E player talking shit about people who play OSR.
I keep hearing this "goes both ways" stuff...I just haven't experienced it. My apocryphal experience is just that, so it is not the law of the land for certain. The toxicity seems to just come, for the most part, from old white men.
@@UndeadVikingVideos Yeah - I have actually experienced none of it in-person, thankfully. I have only great things to say for the cons and games I have attended. I am only going by online forums, podcasts, etc. I'm sure you're right in your experiences, but mine are that the people I read/etc. call out 'bad creators', 'alt-right' suspects, or whatever they claim (perhaps validly) etc. more often than people discuss stuff being 'woke' or whatnot. This is almost certainly because of the media choices I make and that they are generally in the progressive sides of the OSR. So yeah... probably I suffer from limited exposure. But like you said, and I also believe, it's a seemingly rather small number of people and in the end, again as you say and I agree - the complaints are just bitchy or ways to show your 'clan' - and really don't matter. Ben at QB caught grief recently online 'platforming' (maybe a sponsor??) that is somehow outside the Overton window or something.. I don't know who or what they did that was uncool/etc. but I have heard it alluded to. I know he covered an LotFP book a while back also... You can't even discuss LofTP in some blogs/forums or creators or you get warned/banned. I believe all posts about it on /OSR are marked as spoilers/hidden and I am pretty sure it's not because the stuff is often (in my opinion) gratuitously gross and full of body horror and stuff that'd never fly for me at my table. Heck, RPG.net is extremely censorial. It's in their guidelines or whatever. That's cool and their absolute right, but this is the stuff I encounter far more than the bitchy old white dudes.
Sorry that went on a bit and I rambled. I wasn't trying to contradict you - just that my exposure is different.
In my head canon, The Undead Viking cannot die.
BTW, I liked your channel before our current political climate. I like it even more now.
I was politically disinterested until 2016. Now I find it to be critical as a coarse filter before I engage in conversation or business. It's unfortunate, but necessary.
Yes, I saw Questing Beast's recent video as well as another popular grognard. It is, all things considered, not an issue. Well, unless Elon "The Savior" Musk becomes the head of the Department of Anti-Wokeness and starts busting down the doors of people playing unsanctioned D&D.
I have found that the phrase "I hear ya!" gets me past a lot of conversations that could go sour.
Thank you for watching