The lack of any music, and the only sound being some cars and Geoff's voice make this a very intense video. Like you're stuck in a room with the guy. Wonderfully intimidating. Thank you.
Hard hitting reality! We love your videos and what you are doing for the community. Shame about the copyright situation, but it's great how you have continued!
I really like this guy, very cool character and clearly well experienced. If you really want to be in the film industry, then make films your self - don't go working for someone just because you think that's the only way in. If you are passionate enough about it, you'll do fine.
No doubt this man is telling the truth, but quite to his own bias. Another truth would be that it's likely that within his framework of the film business he works with people he has known for years like he so said, and that circle is yet to be penetrated. So his low expectations are based on a sample he has observed which might not be accurate because again as he mentioned, people share people they have worked with. Even those few who manage to get jobs at one point will elevate one of their past crew mates. Also I have seen almost monthly job placements at internships and other such parts of the industry that use the fresh university meat as cheap labour. Jobs like directors... maybe not so much but editors, assistants and often cinematographers are beckoned for quite regularly. I dont think this mans advice is wrong, you irrefutably will struggle to find jobs but thats just the grind. The bigger the grind the bigger the pay off and making it in the film industry as a person of relative success is itself a big pay off. Everyone knows their odds... I hope. Let these numbers not deter you if you believe in your ability and don't take this man of an era passed all too closely to heart. He does probably have years of experience but the volatile industry of film, now accented by the Internet cannot be so simply shut off the workload leaving the universities is whatimsayiiin
God I miss Geoff. I remember a time when he was pretty much the only cinematographer of note taking the time, and I mean REALLY taking the time to help young people find their way into the UK Film/TV industry, specifically the camera dept. He was a wise, talented and kind man. His words ring so true to this day.
Another great video... only because it IS Geoff Boyle... ... but also "Thank YOU" Cooke Optics TV for NOT having background music... It is so much easier to Listen to his instructions... and it makes it FEEL like we're there with him...
I have been struggling in this industry for 9-10 years with no real jobs. But I wont give up. Always keep learning! Have a goal in mind and do your best always. Also, respecting people is key. Good video. Thanks for sharing!
This definitely was a truth slap. But one everyone should hear. I love the videos you guys at Cooke are putting out, thank you so much for the quality content.
He's absolutely right! All I could think of doing for an ocupation was stunts. And i did it, worked very hard at my craft and got very good at it, though, the PR, selling my self, cold calling, smoozing ect. scared the shit out of me. Now i,ve been a carpenter 20 years because of that short coming. And with the battery acid of regret in my stomach for those 20 years. Don't phuq up like I did!
Listen, I know some of you are watching this and think your dreams might be harder than you thought but personally I won't let some random guy on youtube tell me what is/isn't possible He makes it seem as if the film industry doesn't want you...Y'all got talent and you are the future...keep your head up and you will be there some day. Just leaving this message here because I find it disgusting when older people like this guy had it hard when he was still new, and now hes telling the younger more creative and fresh generation that they will not be successful even if they tried. just my opinion...its 2020...go chase the bag and don't get distracted, you will be there one day...believe it
Thank you so much man! I find people like this guy funny because it’s like he doesn’t know that most people who are looking to go into the industry already know it’s going to be difficult and challenging. It’s almost like people like this are trying to gate keep a career from new creatives because they are worried their jobs will be taken. Anything that’s difficult is worth doing and honestly everybody’s experience is different.
But he’s right. Also, he’s a world famous cinematographer (not some random guy). I absolutely encourage everyone to follow their dreams but your going to have to work very hard + get very lucky to make it in the industry.
I know how everyone feels. I went to academy of art and they told me and other students for four years that our work will get us hired. It's been 5 years now and everyone I know has never been hired. Only one or two got jobs but they're out of the country.
Oo everything u said about hard it's going to be to get our dream job and how the college doesn't teach or tell us it's going to be hard to get in to this jobs his right but this is what I have to say I won't give up, I will survive and I will make it same for u lot out there I pray
I'm a full time professional photographer. And I can say without hesitation that the number of people who want to earn a living with photography, versus those who actually do, is a very similar number.
I believe that the advice is a bit one-dimensional. Just because there is a 1%, it doesn't necessarily mean that YOU specifically have a 1% probability, because that just assumes that all people have the same skills and operate in the same ways. If your cinematography is great you have more than 1%, if you make connections even without the best skills you have more than 1%, if you are an asshole (even with amazing skills) your chances reduce because people will think twice before working with you. If you are ALWAYS IMPROVING and never quit, you eventually become the 1% :)
@@jonathanabelmann8036 Precisely. Geoff worked consistently at the top end, that requires top people. That's his point. Plenty of room for assholes that have pointless, mediocre careers too. Up to the individual to decide.
I reached this conclusion the hard way, I didn’t need to sell my ass not just yet, but I had to do a lot of social media shit, the thing is we graduate from film schools (if we are lucky enough to join and graduate from one) as DP’s (HOD) heads of departments don’t know how to make tea or run errands, or kiss asses, to get jobs, these things you need to learn on your own, humility is key, you have to beat yourself up for any ego impulses that might ruin your chances to get any work, you need to be very patient to put up with crap load of things you normally won’t need to stomach.
recently saw a vlogger with over 1 million subs on youtube doing a FREEBIE for Mercedes whose cost was a flight and hotel to get what basically is almost FREE advertising for their new car... who needs to pay for cinematographers when there are people who will work for peanuts?
As I'm a post production student, I would love to see more in this field. Few months ago, A Japan VFX artist came to my school. He said "we are hard to survive in this field cause we are facing much more stronger and "cheaper" opponent. Film company would rather give their VFX job to Chinese or Indian than local artist." I would love to if that's true . Thank You.
Good advices but I feel we tend to carry on with the stigma of even taking new names on set just to see how things work. Like you have 1st, 2nd m, 3rd acs, ads, why not the same with camera trainees. I’m sure somem people would go to a set without even having their food paid, just to learn by watching. I couldn’t afford going to film school for example, does that mean I’m not even part of the 2%? I find that the reality is, the industry is a lot about who you know (you find people who are Burt hat great still getting decent paid work) just because that one person known the directors uncle’s neighbour’s sister’s cousin. That sucks. Money is another thing, sometimes even if yo do what you need to do it is still not enough. Contacting manufacturers is a great advice however if you are a nobody very rarely the would even get back to you.
Get a job in a camera rental company, drive a delivery van for a rental company. You make contacts that way. Be helpful, you'll be noticed. Whilst my main crew are always people I have known a long time there is always someone who is new. Insurance prevents allowing freebie students on-set. Anyway, I tried and ended up with too many not turning up and having lame excuses.
He makes some good points but he missed out on how much work there actually is in the industry. Production studios are creating their own film schools so they can get enough qualified workers for all the jobs they have. Having said that, these jobs for which there is so much demand are the technical ones. It’s much harder if you want to be a director or cinematographer.
I feel like guys like this and in the industry just love being pessimistic and negative. I get its hard but why are they so proud about it. "Sell your ass?" Geez, thanks man.
This video has boomer energy. If you wanna be a cinematographer go out and do it. Will you be the next Rodger deakins? No but don’t not make films cause this guys says you don’t have a chance to make it. In Hollywood. Look at 90% of what’s coming out of Hollywood right now. I wouldn’t want my name attached to most of it. I’d rather make an indie film and take it on the film festival circuit. But I WILL NOT stop perusing my career because someone said you don’t have a slim chance. Growing up I got told by my parents that being in a band wasn’t a career, got told that photography wasn’t a career and when I enrolled in film school I got a whole bunch of “why, you’re wasting your time and money” but my primary income is from photography and music and soon it will be film.
The secret is what are you after film school. Are you DOP? A Director? An Editor? No! You're a producer. ALL producers have to find money. Well, you as the producer go out and find money for your project. So, stop sending your resume and start accepting them yourself.
The lack of any music, and the only sound being some cars and Geoff's voice make this a very intense video. Like you're stuck in a room with the guy.
Wonderfully intimidating. Thank you.
Wonderfully intimidating indeed. He has a way of getting his point across!
This hit me across the face with the truth, but that's why I'm going to work harder.
How badly do you wanna be a cinematographer? *un zips pants*
"sell your ass"
Geoff Boyle just told me to sell my ass in order to get a job in the film industry.... I love this guy.
Dan Wolff how u gett in the industry
Geoff Boyle was a wise man. I knew him.
Now go sell that ass.
Oh damn, lol. Don't tell them!
Hard hitting reality! We love your videos and what you are doing for the community. Shame about the copyright situation, but it's great how you have continued!
Two damn great figures
The gang's all here! Now where's film riot at lol
I really like this guy, very cool character and clearly well experienced. If you really want to be in the film industry, then make films your self - don't go working for someone just because you think that's the only way in. If you are passionate enough about it, you'll do fine.
FACTS!!
No doubt this man is telling the truth, but quite to his own bias. Another truth would be that it's likely that within his framework of the film business he works with people he has known for years like he so said, and that circle is yet to be penetrated. So his low expectations are based on a sample he has observed which might not be accurate because again as he mentioned, people share people they have worked with. Even those few who manage to get jobs at one point will elevate one of their past crew mates. Also I have seen almost monthly job placements at internships and other such parts of the industry that use the fresh university meat as cheap labour. Jobs like directors... maybe not so much but editors, assistants and often cinematographers are beckoned for quite regularly. I dont think this mans advice is wrong, you irrefutably will struggle to find jobs but thats just the grind. The bigger the grind the bigger the pay off and making it in the film industry as a person of relative success is itself a big pay off. Everyone knows their odds... I hope. Let these numbers not deter you if you believe in your ability and don't take this man of an era passed all too closely to heart. He does probably have years of experience but the volatile industry of film, now accented by the Internet cannot be so simply shut off the workload leaving the universities is whatimsayiiin
Thank you for this. I really appreciate it!
God I miss Geoff. I remember a time when he was pretty much the only cinematographer of note taking the time, and I mean REALLY taking the time to help young people find their way into the UK Film/TV industry, specifically the camera dept. He was a wise, talented and kind man. His words ring so true to this day.
cold hard FACTS. lol
thank you for the information and truth.
Jeremiah Collins omg it's you
swag
This is the most demoralizing video UA-cam ever recommended to me lol
😅
But true
it's kind od for youtube to recommend this for you as long as it appears you're not into cinematography and filmmaking
@@sawbaw3640 i had been searching online for camera reviews, the Algorithm did the rest mate lol
@@JoeSmoe1 well then that make sense, you were on the map
well i`d make the most delicious tea
This is one of the reasons I look up to Geoff, he doesn't sugar coat.
Another great video...
only because it IS Geoff Boyle...
... but also "Thank YOU"
Cooke Optics TV for NOT having
background music... It is so much
easier to Listen to his instructions...
and it makes it FEEL like we're there with
him...
I have been struggling in this industry for 9-10 years with no real jobs. But I wont give up. Always keep learning! Have a goal in mind and do your best always. Also, respecting people is key. Good video. Thanks for sharing!
why continue struggling if there is no work? Why not switch to something else?
@@vc6218 Exactly and 9-10 years is a lot..
@@vc6218 And thats why people don't succeed
@@vc6218 because he loves what he is doing and that is more important to him
LOL!
The whole entertainment business is like this
This definitely was a truth slap. But one everyone should hear. I love the videos you guys at Cooke are putting out, thank you so much for the quality content.
He's absolutely right! All I could think of doing for an ocupation was stunts. And i did it, worked very hard at my craft and got very good at it, though, the PR, selling my self, cold calling, smoozing ect. scared the shit out of me. Now i,ve been a carpenter 20 years because of that short coming. And with the battery acid of regret in my stomach for those 20 years. Don't phuq up like I did!
Listen, I know some of you are watching this and think your dreams might be harder than you thought but personally I won't let some random guy on youtube tell me what is/isn't possible
He makes it seem as if the film industry doesn't want you...Y'all got talent and you are the future...keep your head up and you will be there some day.
Just leaving this message here because I find it disgusting when older people like this guy had it hard when he was still new, and now hes telling the younger more creative and fresh generation that they will not be successful even if they tried.
just my opinion...its 2020...go chase the bag and don't get distracted, you will be there one day...believe it
Bro I really needed this thank you.
Thank you so much man! I find people like this guy funny because it’s like he doesn’t know that most people who are looking to go into the industry already know it’s going to be difficult and challenging. It’s almost like people like this are trying to gate keep a career from new creatives because they are worried their jobs will be taken. Anything that’s difficult is worth doing and honestly everybody’s experience is different.
But he’s right. Also, he’s a world famous cinematographer (not some random guy). I absolutely encourage everyone to follow their dreams but your going to have to work very hard + get very lucky to make it in the industry.
@@katekelly794 That's right Kate, you nailed it too.
I know how everyone feels. I went to academy of art and they told me and other students for four years that our work will get us hired. It's been 5 years now and everyone I know has never been hired. Only one or two got jobs but they're out of the country.
Some of the most honest and best advise I've heard.
Thank you for this. Now time to get back to work.
B.D. Sharples get back to work ..."hard" ,all the best
I decided to make my own films and hopes of getting notticed rather then waiting to break in
These videos are awesome. Almost scary but really great. This one is a wake up call for many.
Finish it in Post/not fix it inPost /// loved it
Oo everything u said about hard it's going to be to get our dream job and how the college doesn't teach or tell us it's going to be hard to get in to this jobs his right but this is what I have to say I won't give up, I will survive and I will make it same for u lot out there I pray
I'm a full time professional photographer. And I can say without hesitation that the number of people who want to earn a living with photography, versus those who actually do, is a very similar number.
I believe that the advice is a bit one-dimensional. Just because there is a 1%, it doesn't necessarily mean that YOU specifically have a 1% probability, because that just assumes that all people have the same skills and operate in the same ways. If your cinematography is great you have more than 1%, if you make connections even without the best skills you have more than 1%, if you are an asshole (even with amazing skills) your chances reduce because people will think twice before working with you. If you are ALWAYS IMPROVING and never quit, you eventually become the 1% :)
Oh there’s a lot of assholes in the industry that constantly get jobs. I experienced that myself multiple times
@@jonathanabelmann8036 Precisely. Geoff worked consistently at the top end, that requires top people. That's his point. Plenty of room for assholes that have pointless, mediocre careers too. Up to the individual to decide.
I reached this conclusion the hard way, I didn’t need to sell my ass not just yet, but I had to do a lot of social media shit, the thing is we graduate from film schools (if we are lucky enough to join and graduate from one) as DP’s (HOD) heads of departments don’t know how to make tea or run errands, or kiss asses, to get jobs, these things you need to learn on your own, humility is key, you have to beat yourself up for any ego impulses that might ruin your chances to get any work, you need to be very patient to put up with crap load of things you normally won’t need to stomach.
100% True! Such good info Greg is a legend!
recently saw a vlogger with over 1 million subs on youtube doing a FREEBIE for Mercedes whose cost was a flight and hotel to get what basically is almost FREE advertising for their new car... who needs to pay for cinematographers when there are people who will work for peanuts?
I have been dedicated to having this work for years and will do anything to be that 1%
Enjoyed every second of this! :)
What is the percentage to become a camera demonstrator?
Perfect description of the industry: incestuous... God bless you for the simple cold hard truths, sir
Wise man!
"dedication alone is useless, dedication without talent is not enough"
Charles bukowski.
This was way too interesting.
Same as any other industry it’s not what you know but who you know. Go out and network network network.
I watched Blood Diamond and as long as you say "you're the cameraman", you'll be fine.
Greg Bowes could u give me some tips too gett in the industry please
Geoff the best
As I'm a post production student, I would love to see more in this field. Few months ago, A Japan VFX artist came to my school. He said "we are hard to survive in this field cause we are facing much more stronger and "cheaper" opponent. Film company would rather give their VFX job to Chinese or Indian than local artist." I would love to if that's true . Thank You.
Droping some Destructive/Constructive Truth Nuce
I was told this on my first day at university lol but the end of first year I'm pretty sure half my course dropped out
Good advices but I feel we tend to carry on with the stigma of even taking new names on set just to see how things work. Like you have 1st, 2nd m, 3rd acs, ads, why not the same with camera trainees. I’m sure somem people would go to a set without even having their food paid, just to learn by watching. I couldn’t afford going to film school for example, does that mean I’m not even part of the 2%? I find that the reality is, the industry is a lot about who you know (you find people who are Burt hat great still getting decent paid work) just because that one person known the directors uncle’s neighbour’s sister’s cousin. That sucks. Money is another thing, sometimes even if yo do what you need to do it is still not enough. Contacting manufacturers is a great advice however if you are a nobody very rarely the would even get back to you.
Get a job in a camera rental company, drive a delivery van for a rental company. You make contacts that way. Be helpful, you'll be noticed. Whilst my main crew are always people I have known a long time there is always someone who is new. Insurance prevents allowing freebie students on-set. Anyway, I tried and ended up with too many not turning up and having lame excuses.
FACTS!
Nice eye! How long have you been shooting?
dee dee!
He makes some good points but he missed out on how much work there actually is in the industry. Production studios are creating their own film schools so they can get enough qualified workers for all the jobs they have. Having said that, these jobs for which there is so much demand are the technical ones. It’s much harder if you want to be a director or cinematographer.
Nice video.
So you have a better chances in the film industry by working in the field compared to film students?
I feel like guys like this and in the industry just love being pessimistic and negative. I get its hard but why are they so proud about it. "Sell your ass?" Geez, thanks man.
Wow he knows his shit.
This is Hard Knocks but of Hollywood.
swag
This video has boomer energy. If you wanna be a cinematographer go out and do it. Will you be the next Rodger deakins? No but don’t not make films cause this guys says you don’t have a chance to make it. In Hollywood. Look at 90% of what’s coming out of Hollywood right now. I wouldn’t want my name attached to most of it. I’d rather make an indie film and take it on the film festival circuit. But I WILL NOT stop perusing my career because someone said you don’t have a slim chance. Growing up I got told by my parents that being in a band wasn’t a career, got told that photography wasn’t a career and when I enrolled in film school I got a whole bunch of “why, you’re wasting your time and money” but my primary income is from photography and music and soon it will be film.
So basically you just have to be really good at editing xD
"Get down to piccadilly and sell your arse"?! Thats fucked up!
Anyone else getting an air of Brent? 😂
if this doesnt work it might as well be over
What does cinematographers do? Explain to me
I’m that 1%
Fuck it. That's it. I give up. Filmmaking is not something I should even try to dedicate my life to.
Making tea. Ouch. Well... I like tea so🤔
I will never go to Piccadilly. Worst map ever
Moreover these guys have children who often follow on in their footsteps.
:(
“They don’t give Ferrari’s away son, they make them by hand “ - joe rogan
Make me famous n i make you reach
The secret is what are you after film school. Are you DOP? A Director? An Editor? No! You're a producer. ALL producers have to find money. Well, you as the producer go out and find money for your project. So, stop sending your resume and start accepting them yourself.
and I'm not selling my ass to be a
Cinematographer
Nice eye! How long have you been shooting?
dee dee!
and I'm not selling my ass to be a
Cinematographer
Nice eye! How long have you been shooting?
dee dee!
Nice eye! How long have you been shooting?
dee dee!