The RTX 40-series SUPER GPUs will improve performance. I show what you can expect. After being away for the last few months on business, it's nice to be home for the Holidays. Looking forward to a more normal 2024. Wishing a Happy Holidays for everyone!
the only good stuff from 4000 super are : 1-4070 non-super price drop hopefully ! 2-4070 ti price drop Questionably ! 3-4070 ti super which replaces a 4080 or brings 4080 non super to the lower market ! honestly speaking , 4070 12gb is the biggest one since 4060 ti 16 gb is a trash tier GPu and cannot use 12gb in the first place either so we were kinda stuck with 8GB vram or no DLSS. if all of these are garbage /overrated then the only choice would be to combine FSR FG + DLSS for non-4000 series or the entire NVIDIA RTX series would be bad anyways and not worth looking into . Maybe AMD would surprise us even more with their next gen GPUs or maybe improved FSR upscaling or adding denoisers/filters. YEP . if they managed to improve /solve shimmering and artefacts in their upscaling then Nvidia should : " COOK THIER AI TECHNOLOGY + RTX AND INVESTING IN FARMING COW MILK ". I look forward to the days in which NVIDIA cooks something like : AI for farming COWS. RTX-reconstruction looks promising although not at a whooping 70% performance reduction ,most certainly /
I saw a new video from you and was excited. I am really looking forward to an analysis of the new M3 Macs. You have the best objective analysis of the GPUs. The Mac Fanboys claim they crush PCs and the PC fanboys claim the PCs crush the Macs. You seem to be the only one who doesn't favor one side over the other.
I agree but ad104 is on a 192 bit bus so they would have to do 12 or 24 gigs, they should have done 24 but then people would use it as a mining and AI card
@@victorsegoviapalacios4710 deluded for asking Nvidia to stop scalping it's fanboys? anything above 400$ should have at least 16GB, it's 2023 not 2013.
Right. The price is still a problem to most people, even to those of us willing to use extra money for our GPU purchase. This is my first time skipping a generation in 15 years, all due to the asinine pricing. I got the 3080 at release with 740€. Sold it last summer for 500€, and got a used Gigabyte 3080 Ti Eagle with 600€ instead (og price 1700€ 2 years earlier). Still had 2 years of warranty left with the registration at Gigabyte website. Ordered the EC360 Gold (14,5W/mK) thermal pad set for it with 31€, and got the memory temps down from 110°C to around 83°C (core temp max 67°C in stress testing). This GPU will run well, and cool, for at least 5-6 years to come, and will hold some value in the second-hand market for another couple of years. That said, the 40 series is nothing but a skip gen for me personally, unless I can get a 4080 at around 600-700€ used in 2024. Then again, we'll get the 50 series out at some point between late 2024 and mid 2025, so the 40 series is an easy skip, unless the 50 series continues the stupidly high pricing. Then I'll just buy a used 4080 or 4080 Super, and won't give any of my money to Nvidia. Might as well buy all my future GPUs from the second-hand market, since the msrp is getting way too high for what these GPUs offer.
Good info thanks. I usually stay around mid-range in the last few generations. I can't justify the prices. I will be paying attention to price and power connectors for the new 70 cards.
I don't expect the 4080S to be priced reasonably at all. If their intention is indeed to put a 2nd best GPU on the market, it's going to be marked up the same as 4090 is. Aka will go for 1.5x the MSRP.
Welcome back, and thank you for sharing your valuable thoughts and insights on the upcoming GPUs. Your contributions are always appreciated. Wishing you a joyful holiday season and a Merry Christmas. I'm not very optimistic about NVIDIA lowering prices with the 4000 Super series, including the 4080S. Unfortunately, my expectation is that we won't see any significant changes :( Hopefully I'm proven wrong in January.
Expect bigger prices. Merry Christmas by nvidias. See You all on AMD in a few years. Nvidia average client isn't daily user PC . Nvidia clients are ai buisnesses rn they have no interest in normal users anymore. This is buisness man.
Meh. The 4070 TI Super and the 4080 and are the only Nvidia cards I'm looking at, but I wouldn't feel inclined to pay more than a ceiling of $650 for the one and $750 for the other. Neither price point seems likely. While I've historically been a Nvidia buyer far more often than not, the most exciting possibility may be that perhaps the 7900 XTX will see a competitive price drop?
I think it is not really worth it to buy 4080 super even if it is cheaper then 4080 now, it wont be available until February and then you have only like 6-8 months until next gen RTX 50xx GPUs
@@HeyOcelot0606Meh there’s always something new coming around the corner. 8 months is a long time to wait. Most people don’t go for the best of the best anyway. A 4080 Super will last for years as a powerful 1440p GPU with 16gbs of GDDR6x vram.
@@evilsatoriiheavy doubt. Rumors have said for a while now that a halo product such as a titan or 5090 could launch late q4 at best. 0% chance 5080 comes out August also. If you need a new gpu buy now. Your gonna end up waiting until q1 2025 for 5080 and below. If you have anything less than 30 series it makes 0 sense to wait for 50 series.
just like how AMD affected Nvidia prices when they have a good value GPU. they'll drop like how the 16GB 4060ti dropped to 450$ really fast and the 8GB model had discounts as low as 350$.
@@ZackSNetwork I would really like to believe, but here we have hysteria on all tech channels and flood of comments about small VRAM buffers and lack of VRAM.
Bought a 4070 and it’s just about to arrive. After consideration I was just going to keep that card a build a more powerful primary pc and complete the older one with other components. But I’m also wanting to get into AI stuff so I want to return it just to get the 4070 ti super just for the 16GB vram and a potential 4K gaming experience. Depending on price.
I am saving up for the RX-7900-XTX. But I am going to see what prices the supers are going to be first, before I purchase anyting. But by the looks of it, I think its time for me to stop supporting NGreedia. I will be updating from a GTX-1070-Ti that I have had for a long time now and its still been good to me and still kicking strong. But by the looks of it, I will be going AMD this time around. Time to support the red team. 🤷♀
The last few years of cards are too power hungry - I'm going to just sit around and wait until a serious upgrade is in the low 200 watts, so maybe a 5060 super duper cherry on top in 3-4 years
Not sure I agree with your argument with the pricing of the 4080 Super but I do understand the logic. The 4080 has sold *extremely* poorly at $1199. While the 4090 price has shot up - I doubt many of the sorts of people who would want a 4090 would settle for a 4080 Super instead of spending the extra cash. (I'm looking for one to replace my 2080 Ti , but previously the price of the 4080 being close to the 4090 would have sent me to the latter). They wont beat the 7900xtx in raster by enougn to justify original msrp even if they use 24gbps gddr6x as well as an overclock on ad103. (notwithstanding amd could maybe drop the 7900xtx and have it tempt 4070 Ti Super buyers at around $849). So I reckon this can be at most $100 more than the 7900xtx street prices , i.e $1049 at most. Nvidia launched their Supers for Turing to respond to the 5700/xt which destroyed the 2060/70 in performance and value. The 2080 Super kept the same price point as the 2080 - the 2080 was clearly faster than anyhing Radeon had at the time. This isn't the case this time around...
Now the infornation is out, does anyone really feel that excited, in the sense of I have to get one. I still feel it's not good enough, especially if price doesn't dramatically come down.
Meh I dunno, got my 4060ti as a good deal a couple of months ago and I'm able to play comfortably at 1080p, even tho the super cards, specially the 4070ti super seems promising, think I'll wait for the next rtx 5070/5080 or rx 8700xt
@@arizonawatermelon123pure bs...3070 with 8bg cant even play on ultra 1080p new games. Its a trap and its not any better than 2080s. My last gpu was 3070 but its trash vram droped it from 1440p card to a medium/high card. Im talking about last year games and so on, older titles work perfectly fine but dont expect new games to work on 3070 maxed. Avatar is using 11gb vram at 1080p and that game is considered optimized game.
do no get a card with less then 16 gb ram simple is that anthey need to drop the price by 40% at the same time this gen is not worth buying keep your distence until next year
Supers look fine on paper, but not enough for me to change my 3080 10gb. What most of us want though, it's that 8gb would go from now to 200-250usd cards, 12gb to 300-400gb cards, and starting from 450$-500$ would be great to have 16gb minimum.
I see that I'll wait for radeon rx 8000 mid-tier cards to be announced. Mentioned prices are extremely disconnected from reality. Not gonna waste my time or sources for any overpriced component.
Wonder if history is going to repeat itself with the 5700/xt? Have the 8700xt/8700 match the 4070 Ti Super/4070 Super but at prices like $500 and $400. That would shake the market up no end.
Dear friend @@tourmaline07 It does not necessarly need to labeled as "rx 8700xt" or "rx 8700" but, if the retail price becomes around 400 to 430 $ and match the "rx 7900 gre" performance, it would easily distrupt the gpu market.
My gtx 1080 is broken, crashing everywhere without msi afterburner dropping mhz and setting manual fans, so I need a new gpu which suck with this prices, I usually buy gpu thst can last 5-6 years, and my tv is 4k... rt is not mandatory in fact i consider it gimmick, an useless feature we can live without and definitely we arent ready for it. Im gonna wait the super card to come out and value if going to a 7900xtx, possibly hoping to undervolt it to make it use way less power. Hopefully (yesss suuureee, I dont either believe it myself) prices will drop.
If the 4080s stays at 1200$ it will stay on shelves. 5% increase in performance will not move these cards. Especially with the 4070tis getting 16gb of vram. 4080s are the worst selling 80 series of all time because of there price gouging and it will repeat if this price is not corrected.
Honestly? I catch myself thinking that this is deja'vu, because when a new line of cards comes out, there will be exactly the same indignation and whining about the small amount of memory, bad RTX/FSR/DLSS or whatever, weak GPU. Just recently we were all whining about mining and high prices, now prices are high even without mining. You just need to buy it and use it without worrying, because something will always come out faster and better in terms of performance.
Just watch 10% price cuts for amd across the board... and then we will beback to scratching our heads about nvidia value. Then I tell gpu will come out. I'm expecting a 400$ card that will be 4070 ti performance
It's a partner inventory thing so they don't have to discount existing cards that have a long time to sell off. As the discontinued cards get rarer their price is maintained while new cards are designed to actually sell can sell. Partners are happy and Nvidia is happy with the arrangement.
Which of these 3 GPUs will make a really good GPU is all depending on what prices they're going to be available at. MSRP is trash. We all are more interested in the actual retail prices. We'll just have to wait and see.
Yeah, I don't believe this whole price cut thing either. Why would NVIDIA price the SUPER versions lower than the non-SUPER version? Especially with the 4090 costing over $2,000 due to the high demand. Even if the 4080 SUPER would come at $1,199 it'd still sell because people will not want to spend over $2K for a 4090.
the real question is, who and where are all these people that are driving up the demand for 4090s? it sounds like artificial shortages to me cause i don't know anybody who has one or would even consider getting one
@@Crunkmaster 4090 uses AD102 which has a super high demand because of the AI boom along with the RTX 6000 ADA and many other GPUs that used the AD102 architecture.
The 7900xt is double the fast of 4070. Nvidia is only advertising very few good test scores as of average indicator. In reality, 4070 is like GT630 class card. Not to mention the bad Linux driver, you literally can't use hybrid graphics mode even for Firefox UA-cam watching. The dedicated GPU will wake up just to burn battery life.
😏...I believe the best move for me is to keep my rtx 3090 FE for another 1 year, still killing it at 1440p..., maybe the 5000 series will change my mind...maybe
Its pretty clear an obvious that 1440p users want 16gb VRAM - hence the 7800 xt selling really well. 4070 Super should come with 16 and leave the older one with 12. 16gb isn't always enough for 4k . Pretty sick of nvidia selling mid and low end cards with no future.
The rumors about Super prices seem misleading. Nvidia significantly outsells AMD in the midrange and upper tiers. Why would they decrease prices then? Even 4080 sells OK, while 4070 and 4070 Ti sell pretty well (4070 even became top seller card, according to some retailers, when it got down to $550). I mean, potential 4070 Super production costs are similar to vanilla 4070 (as it includes the same 6 2GB GDDR6X chips and AD104 die, just with less disabled cores). But if 4070 Ti Super is based on AD103 and includes more memory chips, then it's production costs will be significantly higer. I do not see how it can be priced at the same $800. And $1000 for 4080 Super sounds too optimistic as well, since it will include faster (selected) GDDR6X modules. $650 for 4070 Super, $850-$900 for 4070 Ti Super and $1100-$1200 for 4080 Super. This is what I would expect from Nvidia. P. S. If they actually be priced at $600, $800 and $1000, this will mean that profit from each 4000 GPU, sold in 2022-2023, was insane (far bigger than from any older models). 🤑
@@Uthleber Have you even seen best selling GPU lists? 4080 appears there quite often, more often than any 7000 AMD card. Even if it sells worse than most other Nvidia GPUs, it does not mean it sells bad. Taking into account it's greatly inflated price, I'd even say it sells fine. It could be much worse.
@@Uthleber Amazon, Newegg etc. 4080 was outselling 7900 XTX during many months. Only recently, after credible rumors about Super models appeared, it's sales went down. But Steam survey indicates it pretty well - 2,2 times more gamers use 4080s. And 7900 XTX is the only 7000 card on the list, which means it sold better than any other 7000 model, which is expected.
@@stangamer1151 Absolute copium, the 4080 is the worst value card NVIDIA launched 50% faster than 3080 but 71% more expensive. Nobody is buying it, it's either a 4070 Ti, 4090 or 7900 XTX. No one even talks about the 4080.
NVIDIA will simply fill the price gaps between the RTX 4070 and 4080 / 4090 GPUs. The prices of existing GPUs will probably not change at all, because there is enough room between RTX 4070Ti and RTX 4080 for instance. This is why we won't get a RTX 4060 Super, because the price gap between RTX 4060Ti and RTX 4070 is soo small and is already occupied by the 16GB Version of the RTX 4060Ti. NVIDIA does not care about price drops or value, because people buy their GPUs anyway.
while yes, 7900xtx slightly beats 4080, its worse overall, if you take power, heating and RT into consideration so with this super cards launch, the top GPUs will look like this: 4090->4080 super->4080->7900xtx->4070 TI super
@@NoSkillsBro looks like you are the fanboy... like wtf... how is speaking truth suddenly being an fanboy... 7900xtx 1-4% while without FPS better, but 5-15% worse in RT
@@prospect2664 i just checked that. 4080 : JPY 19man 7900XTX : JPY 17man 4070ti : JPY 13man last time i checked 7900XTX was about JPY 20man. so yeah, quite tempting if my target GPU is over 300watt. i'm gonna go with 4070ti because my target powerdraw is 200watt (undervolted)
That sucks the 4080 super doesn't add additional 4gb of Vram. Such a great selling "Upgrade"point again NVIDIA missed the boat for gouging purposes! Why would you not make a 20GB version even if you had to make it on a A102 die it would make itself unique and more would buy i know i was going to but 16gb unless the price is reduced ill just wait till next year!
the regular 4070 super not getting 16gb vram is still criminal on Nvidia's part just why the hell not ? so the can save pennies on the dollar, well screw you nvidia if the prices don't lower it's gonna bite them in the ass. i'll go with AMD or intel on principle. Nivida is trying to bend every gamer over and rail em like a 5 dollar whore. if they can's display that we are at least semi human in their mindscape , then i wil not be putting an nivida product in my next build I'm saving for.
If the scalper mentality has taught us (and Nvidia) anything, it is that people WILL pay over the odds, just to get a GPU, this is why cards like the 4080 and 4090 are as expensive as they are, Nvidia KNOWS that people will buy at way more than the MSRP and they have capitalised on this… we have done it to ourselves, therefore I personally think that Nvidia are going to double down on inflated prices… because they can. Do not expect anything less for a company that is in the business of making profits for themselves and their shareholders. We did it to ourselves guys, this is why GPU pricing will never be the same again.
The 4080super at the same price will be even more of a joke than the original 4080 imo. No increase in value a year later, it will fail massively. Why would people that didn't like the price originally be anymore impressed by a very minor improvement for the same ridiculous price 😂 that would just make no sense and will review horribly once again, who cares if it now beats another horribly priced card by a few percent? I'm more interested in the 4070ti super but only if it came down to $700. Which it won't , this generation is a big fail and still not interesting
@mitsuhh its 6 % faster. In my eyes it's even more worthless after more than a year. Its just my opinion not a fact. It's a useless card unless the price is decreased. Even at $1000 it's not worth it imo but it would have been less of a joke. Anyone that's spends that much on a card like that is a moron, the 4090 shits all over it. If you're spending so much on a gpu why not get the much better 4090
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime Your language is like that of an immature teen but you got the right idea.. sorta The 4080 is $1700 in Australia, the 4090 is $3000. That's enough reason why someone may choose a 4080 over a 4090
@mitsuhh cheapest 4080 I've seen is $1800, cheapest 4090 is $2800. Australian prices as I'm also in Australia, both are over priced but at least you're getting a much better card with the 4090. The 4090 has been cheaper in the past, they've only gone up because of what's happening with the banning in China. Prices have been closer on the past and will come back down again eventually. 4080 has no business being anything over $1,500. $1,300 is the most I'd pay for one personally. 4070ti can be has for 1,199 at the moment. If the 4070ti super version came down to the price I'd be tempted but I can't imagine nvidia will come down that low out of the gate and by the time it drops in price the new cards won't be far off
ingenious? only idiots who know nothing about money, value and what its worth will part with over a grand on a bunch of silicon that can be had or very close to it in past generations and lower models. Sure if you've got peanuts for brains and money to burn then have at it, but from my expreince people with money dont lose it on such stupid pricing and awfull value, thats why they have money.
There is no such thing as a scalper only application competitive pricing from demanders. From a card production point of view now passing 60% of full fun production marginal cost per unit has dropped by < 50% from q1 risk production volume and now is 25% under the long run average marginal cost per unit of production. I concur fill in at old price to force existing SKUs down in price. All Nvidia really needed was a real AD 102 4080ti at $1199 and that would have forced the down stack SKUs into their traditional price performance rung albeit still a 103 hybrid, 104/6/7 mobile design generation shoed into desktop form factor. Not an entirely well thought out production regime by not offering true desktop SKUs from the beginning in relation serving the production chains mobile H laptop volume requirement. I am also aware Nvidia has no problem selling AD 102 variants for more than the 4090 FE's original $1599 down SKU regulating price cap. I can see why so said 4080 103 full array Super as the 395 mm2 cost effective component to produce in relation 608 mm2 AD 102. Still if only a true 4080_. The other issue is Super prematurely obsoleting channel capital inventory values albeit Ada has been clearing and displacing a recent end buyer purchase including in PC prebuilt there are far more prebuilt PCs in the channel with Ada lagging sales than top bin cards waiting on the shelf. mb
In reality world, the actual definition of a scalper (illegal in certain markets like concert and sporting events) means you are intentionally buying (usually in quantity), then selling for above MSRP. If you need a link to get proper word definitions in the future, I can provide those to you at no cost.
@@ImaMac-PC U r welcome in my opinion an AD 012 4080ti and AD 103 4080S mobile are all that is needed and low risk in relation adding so said 4070tiS and 4070S desktop in terms of channel and consumer protection. Specific 4070S all seem to clamor and 4070 is the current channel sweet spot, I have counseled NVDA with a Refresh trade in program and all retail are ready but at what % of purchase value that is not present value in relation to so said + 20% 4070S lift which must mean 80% trade in value? In this scenario there is no way Nvidia can get brought in on consumer protection issues. mb
A real time value in relation 4070S uplift can also be reasonable at what discount with 4070S purchase on 4070 trade in value. All that was needed was a 4080ti in the beginning to claim that price : perf void pushing the rest of the stack down into its proper order with even a mobile SKU shoed into a desktop card so said offering (reaching) efficient 3080ti/90 parity performance. mb
First video of yours I disagree with. Why would the 4080 Super be 999? I think it'll be even less at 899. The 4080 is the worst selling 80 series card ever and AMD is selling very well. The rest of the cards should get a cut of at least $50.
While the 4080 sold poorly at first, it seems to have increased over the past year as I think they sell many through system integrators and not DIY builders. Compare the latest Steam hardware survery and you'll be surprised to see the 4080 way above the 7900 XTX.
I feel anyone who wants to pay $1200+ already did so, most opting for readily available 4090s the past year. At least for the gaming segment, and those numbers matter as well to investors, they're waiting on prices for something with a reasonable vram. AMDs prices can still go lower. Super doesn't exist without them so clearly it's a threat.
Thanks for the feedback. I guess that's something I need to work on...watch one of my earliest videos on the channel and tell me what you think...and which you prefer?
The RTX 40-series SUPER GPUs will improve performance. I show what you can expect. After being away for the last few months on business, it's nice to be home for the Holidays. Looking forward to a more normal 2024. Wishing a Happy Holidays for everyone!
the only good stuff from 4000 super are :
1-4070 non-super price drop hopefully !
2-4070 ti price drop Questionably !
3-4070 ti super which replaces a 4080 or brings 4080 non super to the lower market !
honestly speaking , 4070 12gb is the biggest one since 4060 ti 16 gb is a trash tier GPu and cannot use 12gb in the first place either so we were kinda stuck with 8GB vram or no DLSS.
if all of these are garbage /overrated then the only choice would be to combine FSR FG + DLSS for non-4000 series or the entire NVIDIA RTX series would be bad anyways and not worth looking into .
Maybe AMD would surprise us even more with their next gen GPUs or maybe improved FSR upscaling or adding denoisers/filters. YEP . if they managed to improve /solve shimmering and artefacts in their upscaling then Nvidia should : " COOK THIER AI TECHNOLOGY + RTX AND INVESTING IN FARMING COW MILK ". I look forward to the days in which NVIDIA cooks something like : AI for farming COWS.
RTX-reconstruction looks promising although not at a whooping 70% performance reduction ,most certainly /
I saw a new video from you and was excited.
I am really looking forward to an analysis of the new M3 Macs.
You have the best objective analysis of the GPUs.
The Mac Fanboys claim they crush PCs and the PC fanboys claim the PCs crush the Macs.
You seem to be the only one who doesn't favor one side over the other.
Cheers. Let's see if the refreshed RTX 4000-series will bring better price-to-performance to the GPU market.
4070S remaining at 12gb is really disappointing. a $600+ gpu should have no less than 16gb in late 2023
I agree but ad104 is on a 192 bit bus so they would have to do 12 or 24 gigs, they should have done 24 but then people would use it as a mining and AI card
You are deluded
@@victorsegoviapalacios4710 7800xt has 16gb vram and still runs better than the 4070 for $100 less..
nvidia is insane but there's enough idiots out there who would buy that..
@@victorsegoviapalacios4710 deluded for asking Nvidia to stop scalping it's fanboys? anything above 400$ should have at least 16GB, it's 2023 not 2013.
I still use 1080 ti.
Right. The price is still a problem to most people, even to those of us willing to use extra money for our GPU purchase. This is my first time skipping a generation in 15 years, all due to the asinine pricing.
I got the 3080 at release with 740€. Sold it last summer for 500€, and got a used Gigabyte 3080 Ti Eagle with 600€ instead (og price 1700€ 2 years earlier). Still had 2 years of warranty left with the registration at Gigabyte website. Ordered the EC360 Gold (14,5W/mK) thermal pad set for it with 31€, and got the memory temps down from 110°C to around 83°C (core temp max 67°C in stress testing). This GPU will run well, and cool, for at least 5-6 years to come, and will hold some value in the second-hand market for another couple of years. That said, the 40 series is nothing but a skip gen for me personally, unless I can get a 4080 at around 600-700€ used in 2024. Then again, we'll get the 50 series out at some point between late 2024 and mid 2025, so the 40 series is an easy skip, unless the 50 series continues the stupidly high pricing. Then I'll just buy a used 4080 or 4080 Super, and won't give any of my money to Nvidia. Might as well buy all my future GPUs from the second-hand market, since the msrp is getting way too high for what these GPUs offer.
I missed you ♥️ merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
Good info thanks. I usually stay around mid-range in the last few generations. I can't justify the prices. I will be paying attention to price and power connectors for the new 70 cards.
I don't expect the 4080S to be priced reasonably at all. If their intention is indeed to put a 2nd best GPU on the market, it's going to be marked up the same as 4090 is. Aka will go for 1.5x the MSRP.
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Welcome back, and thank you for sharing your valuable thoughts and insights on the upcoming GPUs. Your contributions are always appreciated. Wishing you a joyful holiday season and a Merry Christmas.
I'm not very optimistic about NVIDIA lowering prices with the 4000 Super series, including the 4080S. Unfortunately, my expectation is that we won't see any significant changes :(
Hopefully I'm proven wrong in January.
Expect bigger prices. Merry Christmas by nvidias. See You all on AMD in a few years. Nvidia average client isn't daily user PC . Nvidia clients are ai buisnesses rn they have no interest in normal users anymore. This is buisness man.
Will there be any Founders Edition cards from NVIDIA for the Super refresh?
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you!
Thank you very much!
Found this really insightful and a good overview of the logic behind this release. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Micron have offered 24Gb/s version of GDDR6X for a while now, I wonder if this will be used on the Super refreshes, hmm...
i doubt it.
Meh. The 4070 TI Super and the 4080 and are the only Nvidia cards I'm looking at, but I wouldn't feel inclined to pay more than a ceiling of $650 for the one and $750 for the other. Neither price point seems likely. While I've historically been a Nvidia buyer far more often than not, the most exciting possibility may be that perhaps the 7900 XTX will see a competitive price drop?
This what I'm waiting to see as well. If the 4080s is 1200 again and the xtx gets a drop, amd will definitely be getting my money.
I think it is not really worth it to buy 4080 super even if it is cheaper then 4080 now, it wont be available until February and then you have only like 6-8 months until next gen RTX 50xx GPUs
Damn straight facts that some fanboys won't accept
unless the 50 series comes out in early 2025 like it's rumored...
@@parker4447 maybe 5070 and lower models but I would bet that 5090 and 5080 will be ready to launch since like Sepember or October 2024
@@HeyOcelot0606Meh there’s always something new coming around the corner. 8 months is a long time to wait. Most people don’t go for the best of the best anyway. A 4080 Super will last for years as a powerful 1440p GPU with 16gbs of GDDR6x vram.
@@evilsatoriiheavy doubt. Rumors have said for a while now that a halo product such as a titan or 5090 could launch late q4 at best. 0% chance 5080 comes out August also. If you need a new gpu buy now. Your gonna end up waiting until q1 2025 for 5080 and below. If you have anything less than 30 series it makes 0 sense to wait for 50 series.
Thanks! Your are a much needed reality check for my inner hype train.
Happy to help!
I wonder, just how much vram is actually being utilized in games.
I'm keeping my 12gb rtx 3080
Got a 4080 and its been doing well at 4k. Think Ill just get 5080 or 6080 when the time comes. Still rocking the 12700k.
If the 4070s had 16gb it would probably be the best selling graphics card of this gen.
The best selling was, is, will be 4070Ti/4090. Super gpus are good for new customers. It's pointeless for base RTX 40 owners. RTX 50 is near.
The best card is the 7800 xt perf/price ratio
I currently have the 6700xt and was eyeing the 4070 ti super
Me to, but i think it will be quite expensive.
How do you guys think that the 4000 Super will affect AMD 7000 Prices ?
just like how AMD affected Nvidia prices when they have a good value GPU. they'll drop like how the 16GB 4060ti dropped to 450$ really fast and the 8GB model had discounts as low as 350$.
My 2060 is starting to show its age and is starting to glitch. Been holding out for the 4070ti super, almost time!
Excellent choice it will last you for many years.
@@ZackSNetwork I would really like to believe, but here we have hysteria on all tech channels and flood of comments about small VRAM buffers and lack of VRAM.
@@unheard598216 gb should be plenty for 1440p tho
Bought a 4070 and it’s just about to arrive. After consideration I was just going to keep that card a build a more powerful primary pc and complete the older one with other components. But I’m also wanting to get into AI stuff so I want to return it just to get the 4070 ti super just for the 16GB vram and a potential 4K gaming experience. Depending on price.
I’m thinking $800 at least. But they’ll prob push $900-1000
@@peytonleehagens123 honestly, I wouldn’t care, took about a week to get my card on 2-day shipping. Don’t want to deal with that again.
@@peytonleehagens123 I lied XD
I am saving up for the RX-7900-XTX.
But I am going to see what prices the supers are going to be first, before I purchase anyting. But by the looks of it, I think its time for me to stop supporting NGreedia.
I will be updating from a GTX-1070-Ti that I have had for a long time now and its still been good to me and still kicking strong. But by the looks of it, I will be going AMD this time around.
Time to support the red team. 🤷♀
Make sure you've got plenty of power she's a bit thirsty, minimum 850w PSU if I remember right
@@audaxxx4202
I have a EVGA G2 1200-Watts PSU.
The last few years of cards are too power hungry - I'm going to just sit around and wait until a serious upgrade is in the low 200 watts, so maybe a 5060 super duper cherry on top in 3-4 years
Not sure I agree with your argument with the pricing of the 4080 Super but I do understand the logic.
The 4080 has sold *extremely* poorly at $1199. While the 4090 price has shot up - I doubt many of the sorts of people who would want a 4090 would settle for a 4080 Super instead of spending the extra cash. (I'm looking for one to replace my 2080 Ti , but previously the price of the 4080 being close to the 4090 would have sent me to the latter).
They wont beat the 7900xtx in raster by enougn to justify original msrp even if they use 24gbps gddr6x as well as an overclock on ad103. (notwithstanding amd could maybe drop the 7900xtx and have it tempt 4070 Ti Super buyers at around $849). So I reckon this can be at most $100 more than the 7900xtx street prices , i.e $1049 at most.
Nvidia launched their Supers for Turing to respond to the 5700/xt which destroyed the 2060/70 in performance and value. The 2080 Super kept the same price point as the 2080 - the 2080 was clearly faster than anyhing Radeon had at the time. This isn't the case this time around...
Now the infornation is out, does anyone really feel that excited, in the sense of I have to get one. I still feel it's not good enough, especially if price doesn't dramatically come down.
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I think I'm going to get the 5090 in the future!
Meh I dunno, got my 4060ti as a good deal a couple of months ago and I'm able to play comfortably at 1080p, even tho the super cards, specially the 4070ti super seems promising, think I'll wait for the next rtx 5070/5080 or rx 8700xt
I have a 2080 super and a 1440p165hz monitor, I want to upgrade eventually but don’t know how much GPU I would need more to max out the settings.
My 3070fe with 5600x at 1440p does on average 90-100+ on “more intense titles” and much beyond 100 on easier titles. Hope that gives you some context
@@arizonawatermelon123 This helps a lot! Ty
@@arizonawatermelon123pure bs...3070 with 8bg cant even play on ultra 1080p new games. Its a trap and its not any better than 2080s. My last gpu was 3070 but its trash vram droped it from 1440p card to a medium/high card. Im talking about last year games and so on, older titles work perfectly fine but dont expect new games to work on 3070 maxed. Avatar is using 11gb vram at 1080p and that game is considered optimized game.
Just go with 7800xt or 7900xt if budged allows since you have amd cpu
@@arbernuka3679 Got it, ty for the info!
do no get a card with less then 16 gb ram simple is that anthey need to drop the price by 40% at the same time this gen is not worth buying keep your distence until next year
did he he really just say the $800 4070 ti super will make the best budget GPU lol.
budget 4k I guess
budget nvidia 16gb for 4k
Nvidia has released the 1650 super, 1660 super and 2060 super.
Why isn't there a 4060 Super this year?
Jensen doesnt want to give out for the poor people 😂
Supers look fine on paper, but not enough for me to change my 3080 10gb.
What most of us want though, it's that 8gb would go from now to 200-250usd cards, 12gb to 300-400gb cards, and starting from 450$-500$ would be great to have 16gb minimum.
Honestly, let’s see what intel will bring with ARC 2
Battlemage*
No love for 4060 class GPUs which needed the boost the most.
Hmm.. I might wait for the rtx 4070 TI.. Super.. Ultra edition. 😁
Wow, your a sellout..... I will wait for the "super duper" version.....
If AMD would just lower the price of the 7900XTX .
4070ti super for 800$ and I’m all over it. I’ll get rid of my 7800xt for it
you're crazy
Wait for battlemage. Drivers are beginning to show intel gpus true power.
Price will be 4070ti super 799, and 4080 super 1099, price leaked two h ago.
I see that I'll wait for radeon rx 8000 mid-tier cards to be announced.
Mentioned prices are extremely disconnected from reality.
Not gonna waste my time or sources for any overpriced component.
Wonder if history is going to repeat itself with the 5700/xt? Have the 8700xt/8700 match the 4070 Ti Super/4070 Super but at prices like $500 and $400. That would shake the market up no end.
Dear friend @@tourmaline07
It does not necessarly need to labeled as "rx 8700xt" or "rx 8700" but, if the retail price becomes around 400 to 430 $ and match the "rx 7900 gre" performance, it would easily distrupt the gpu market.
good old ATI radeon would keep nVidia on its toes.....
My gtx 1080 is broken, crashing everywhere without msi afterburner dropping mhz and setting manual fans, so I need a new gpu which suck with this prices, I usually buy gpu thst can last 5-6 years, and my tv is 4k... rt is not mandatory in fact i consider it gimmick, an useless feature we can live without and definitely we arent ready for it. Im gonna wait the super card to come out and value if going to a 7900xtx, possibly hoping to undervolt it to make it use way less power. Hopefully (yesss suuureee, I dont either believe it myself) prices will drop.
If 4080 super had 20gb vram, it would be real nice 👍
If the 4080s stays at 1200$ it will stay on shelves. 5% increase in performance will not move these cards. Especially with the 4070tis getting 16gb of vram. 4080s are the worst selling 80 series of all time because of there price gouging and it will repeat if this price is not corrected.
Wrong. Nvidia fan boys will buy it even at $1300. I still regular 4080s selling for 1200 just a few weeks before the super release
Nvidia runs a business and they will gladly take much of your money.
Honestly? I catch myself thinking that this is deja'vu, because when a new line of cards comes out, there will be exactly the same indignation and whining about the small amount of memory, bad RTX/FSR/DLSS or whatever, weak GPU. Just recently we were all whining about mining and high prices, now prices are high even without mining. You just need to buy it and use it without worrying, because something will always come out faster and better in terms of performance.
The 40 series refresh without 1/3rd of the 40 series , good job nvidia
Yes only in the point it will be 60% cheaper than the 4090
Just watch 10% price cuts for amd across the board... and then we will beback to scratching our heads about nvidia value. Then I tell gpu will come out. I'm expecting a 400$ card that will be 4070 ti performance
Its weird how they can make the cards cheaper by renaming them.
It's a partner inventory thing so they don't have to discount existing cards that have a long time to sell off. As the discontinued cards get rarer their price is maintained while new cards are designed to actually sell can sell. Partners are happy and Nvidia is happy with the arrangement.
Which of these 3 GPUs will make a really good GPU is all depending on what prices they're going to be available at. MSRP is trash. We all are more interested in the actual retail prices. We'll just have to wait and see.
Yeah, I don't believe this whole price cut thing either. Why would NVIDIA price the SUPER versions lower than the non-SUPER version? Especially with the 4090 costing over $2,000 due to the high demand.
Even if the 4080 SUPER would come at $1,199 it'd still sell because people will not want to spend over $2K for a 4090.
the real question is, who and where are all these people that are driving up the demand for 4090s? it sounds like artificial shortages to me cause i don't know anybody who has one or would even consider getting one
@@Crunkmaster 4090 uses AD102 which has a super high demand because of the AI boom along with the RTX 6000 ADA and many other GPUs that used the AD102 architecture.
The 7900xt is double the fast of 4070. Nvidia is only advertising very few good test scores as of average indicator. In reality, 4070 is like GT630 class card. Not to mention the bad Linux driver, you literally can't use hybrid graphics mode even for Firefox UA-cam watching. The dedicated GPU will wake up just to burn battery life.
Price will be disappointing. Nvidia never went below what is absolutely necessary
4080 Super should have at least 20 gigs. Another way to de future proof you.
😏...I believe the best move for me is to keep my rtx 3090 FE for another 1 year, still killing it at 1440p..., maybe the 5000 series will change my mind...maybe
so many other things I could spend that money on. here I am with a 22 year old computer and a 1080
Its pretty clear an obvious that 1440p users want 16gb VRAM - hence the 7800 xt selling really well. 4070 Super should come with 16 and leave the older one with 12. 16gb isn't always enough for 4k . Pretty sick of nvidia selling mid and low end cards with no future.
it isnt ''TGP'' its TDP its power draw not ''total graphics power''
tdp isn't total power draw.
@@mitsuhh tdp is the power draw
@@TrionFN Not the total.
The rumors about Super prices seem misleading. Nvidia significantly outsells AMD in the midrange and upper tiers. Why would they decrease prices then? Even 4080 sells OK, while 4070 and 4070 Ti sell pretty well (4070 even became top seller card, according to some retailers, when it got down to $550).
I mean, potential 4070 Super production costs are similar to vanilla 4070 (as it includes the same 6 2GB GDDR6X chips and AD104 die, just with less disabled cores). But if 4070 Ti Super is based on AD103 and includes more memory chips, then it's production costs will be significantly higer. I do not see how it can be priced at the same $800. And $1000 for 4080 Super sounds too optimistic as well, since it will include faster (selected) GDDR6X modules.
$650 for 4070 Super, $850-$900 for 4070 Ti Super and $1100-$1200 for 4080 Super. This is what I would expect from Nvidia.
P. S. If they actually be priced at $600, $800 and $1000, this will mean that profit from each 4000 GPU, sold in 2022-2023, was insane (far bigger than from any older models). 🤑
4080 sells OK ? Dude. The 4080 is the worst selling card in nVidia history. Stop copium.
@@Uthleber Have you even seen best selling GPU lists? 4080 appears there quite often, more often than any 7000 AMD card. Even if it sells worse than most other Nvidia GPUs, it does not mean it sells bad. Taking into account it's greatly inflated price, I'd even say it sells fine. It could be much worse.
I would love to see those magical selling List's. i dont give a S about RDNA 3 , but the XTX is selling BY FAR more often than 4080 @@stangamer1151
@@Uthleber Amazon, Newegg etc. 4080 was outselling 7900 XTX during many months. Only recently, after credible rumors about Super models appeared, it's sales went down. But Steam survey indicates it pretty well - 2,2 times more gamers use 4080s. And 7900 XTX is the only 7000 card on the list, which means it sold better than any other 7000 model, which is expected.
@@stangamer1151 Absolute copium, the 4080 is the worst value card NVIDIA launched 50% faster than 3080 but 71% more expensive. Nobody is buying it, it's either a 4070 Ti, 4090 or 7900 XTX. No one even talks about the 4080.
NVIDIA will simply fill the price gaps between the RTX 4070 and 4080 / 4090 GPUs. The prices of existing GPUs will probably not change at all, because there is enough room between RTX 4070Ti and RTX 4080 for instance. This is why we won't get a RTX 4060 Super, because the price gap between RTX 4060Ti and RTX 4070 is soo small and is already occupied by the 16GB Version of the RTX 4060Ti. NVIDIA does not care about price drops or value, because people buy their GPUs anyway.
"RTX 4070 Ti super" is such weird name for a GPU
I don't see how people expect the super cards to be "cheaper"
The current cards aren't selling
@@mitsuhh then if anything the current ones should be priced lower, but nvidia will not suddenly be pro consumer
Nvidia has no reason to drop prices. The money is all in AI@@EzaneeGires
$1,200 4080S? Hard pass!
while yes, 7900xtx slightly beats 4080, its worse overall, if you take power, heating and RT into consideration
so with this super cards launch, the top GPUs will look like this: 4090->4080 super->4080->7900xtx->4070 TI super
@@NoSkillsBro looks like you are the fanboy... like wtf... how is speaking truth suddenly being an fanboy... 7900xtx 1-4% while without FPS better, but 5-15% worse in RT
@@NoSkillsBro7900XTX eat too much power, slighty ahead 4080 while in japan 7900XTX is more expensive than 4080
@@prospect2664 Not to mention RAdeon's patented 1% lows LOWS!
@@whitygoose really ? 7900xtx is more expensive for you then 4080 ? damn...
for me:
7900xtx: 1060->1308 eur
4080: 1277->1634 eur
4090: 2099->2600 eur
@@prospect2664 i just checked that.
4080 : JPY 19man
7900XTX : JPY 17man
4070ti : JPY 13man
last time i checked 7900XTX was about JPY 20man. so yeah, quite tempting if my target GPU is over 300watt. i'm gonna go with 4070ti because my target powerdraw is 200watt (undervolted)
im not excited, somehow 🤷♂
That sucks the 4080 super doesn't add additional 4gb of Vram. Such a great selling "Upgrade"point again NVIDIA missed the boat for gouging purposes! Why would you not make a 20GB version even if you had to make it on a A102 die it would make itself unique and more would buy i know i was going to but 16gb unless the price is reduced ill just wait till next year!
A 20 GB 4080 SUPER would cut sales on the 4090... why people would buy a 4090 when the 4080 SUPER is only gonna have 4 GB less VRAM...
20 vs 24 makes a massive difference if you're doing something that NEEDS 24GB@@laszlozsurka8991
Just wait for TitanXP RTX Super 6 GB 128 Bit
It doesn't matter we have no games
the regular 4070 super not getting 16gb vram is still criminal on Nvidia's part
just why the hell not ? so the can save pennies on the dollar, well screw you nvidia
if the prices don't lower it's gonna bite them in the ass.
i'll go with AMD or intel on principle. Nivida is trying to bend every gamer over and rail em like a 5 dollar whore. if they can's display that we are at least semi human in their mindscape , then i wil not be putting an nivida product in my next build I'm saving for.
If the scalper mentality has taught us (and Nvidia) anything, it is that people WILL pay over the odds, just to get a GPU, this is why cards like the 4080 and 4090 are as expensive as they are, Nvidia KNOWS that people will buy at way more than the MSRP and they have capitalised on this… we have done it to ourselves, therefore I personally think that Nvidia are going to double down on inflated prices… because they can.
Do not expect anything less for a company that is in the business of making profits for themselves and their shareholders.
We did it to ourselves guys, this is why GPU pricing will never be the same again.
The 4080super at the same price will be even more of a joke than the original 4080 imo. No increase in value a year later, it will fail massively. Why would people that didn't like the price originally be anymore impressed by a very minor improvement for the same ridiculous price 😂 that would just make no sense and will review horribly once again, who cares if it now beats another horribly priced card by a few percent? I'm more interested in the 4070ti super but only if it came down to $700. Which it won't , this generation is a big fail and still not interesting
It'll be faster. How wouldn't the value increase?
@mitsuhh its 6 % faster. In my eyes it's even more worthless after more than a year. Its just my opinion not a fact. It's a useless card unless the price is decreased. Even at $1000 it's not worth it imo but it would have been less of a joke. Anyone that's spends that much on a card like that is a moron, the 4090 shits all over it. If you're spending so much on a gpu why not get the much better 4090
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime Your language is like that of an immature teen but you got the right idea.. sorta
The 4080 is $1700 in Australia, the 4090 is $3000. That's enough reason why someone may choose a 4080 over a 4090
@mitsuhh cheapest 4080 I've seen is $1800, cheapest 4090 is $2800. Australian prices as I'm also in Australia, both are over priced but at least you're getting a much better card with the 4090. The 4090 has been cheaper in the past, they've only gone up because of what's happening with the banning in China. Prices have been closer on the past and will come back down again eventually. 4080 has no business being anything over $1,500. $1,300 is the most I'd pay for one personally. 4070ti can be has for 1,199 at the moment. If the 4070ti super version came down to the price I'd be tempted but I can't imagine nvidia will come down that low out of the gate and by the time it drops in price the new cards won't be far off
ingenious? only idiots who know nothing about money, value and what its worth will part with over a grand on a bunch of silicon that can be had or very close to it in past generations and lower models. Sure if you've got peanuts for brains and money to burn then have at it, but from my expreince people with money dont lose it on such stupid pricing and awfull value, thats why they have money.
Finally some reasoning. So many are saying the 4080 super will be $999. They are going to implode when they see the actual price next month.
Nvidia keeping on proving me right with my swap to AMD. They are hungry for AI, and funding their R&D with fouls with too much money.
There is no such thing as a scalper only application competitive pricing from demanders. From a card production point of view now passing 60% of full fun production marginal cost per unit has dropped by < 50% from q1 risk production volume and now is 25% under the long run average marginal cost per unit of production. I concur fill in at old price to force existing SKUs down in price. All Nvidia really needed was a real AD 102 4080ti at $1199 and that would have forced the down stack SKUs into their traditional price performance rung albeit still a 103 hybrid, 104/6/7 mobile design generation shoed into desktop form factor. Not an entirely well thought out production regime by not offering true desktop SKUs from the beginning in relation serving the production chains mobile H laptop volume requirement. I am also aware Nvidia has no problem selling AD 102 variants for more than the 4090 FE's original $1599 down SKU regulating price cap. I can see why so said 4080 103 full array Super as the 395 mm2 cost effective component to produce in relation 608 mm2 AD 102. Still if only a true 4080_. The other issue is Super prematurely obsoleting channel capital inventory values albeit Ada has been clearing and displacing a recent end buyer purchase including in PC prebuilt there are far more prebuilt PCs in the channel with Ada lagging sales than top bin cards waiting on the shelf. mb
In reality world, the actual definition of a scalper (illegal in certain markets like concert and sporting events) means you are intentionally buying (usually in quantity), then selling for above MSRP. If you need a link to get proper word definitions in the future, I can provide those to you at no cost.
Thanks Mike for the insightful comment. Happy Holidays!
@@srobeck77 arbitrage. mb
@@ImaMac-PC U r welcome in my opinion an AD 012 4080ti and AD 103 4080S mobile are all that is needed and low risk in relation adding so said 4070tiS and 4070S desktop in terms of channel and consumer protection. Specific 4070S all seem to clamor and 4070 is the current channel sweet spot, I have counseled NVDA with a Refresh trade in program and all retail are ready but at what % of purchase value that is not present value in relation to so said + 20% 4070S lift which must mean 80% trade in value? In this scenario there is no way Nvidia can get brought in on consumer protection issues. mb
A real time value in relation 4070S uplift can also be reasonable at what discount with 4070S purchase on 4070 trade in value. All that was needed was a 4080ti in the beginning to claim that price : perf void pushing the rest of the stack down into its proper order with even a mobile SKU shoed into a desktop card so said offering (reaching) efficient 3080ti/90 parity performance. mb
waste of money go for amd gpu
First video of yours I disagree with. Why would the 4080 Super be 999? I think it'll be even less at 899. The 4080 is the worst selling 80 series card ever and AMD is selling very well. The rest of the cards should get a cut of at least $50.
If it drops to $899 it starts cutting into 4070 Ti Super sales. 4070 TI Super will not sell for less than $800.
@@noidsuperAMD could do the same with the 7900xtx too possibly , but I agree that $899 is a bit optimistic for the 4080 Super.
While the 4080 sold poorly at first, it seems to have increased over the past year as I think they sell many through system integrators and not DIY builders. Compare the latest Steam hardware survery and you'll be surprised to see the 4080 way above the 7900 XTX.
I feel anyone who wants to pay $1200+ already did so, most opting for readily available 4090s the past year. At least for the gaming segment, and those numbers matter as well to investors, they're waiting on prices for something with a reasonable vram. AMDs prices can still go lower. Super doesn't exist without them so clearly it's a threat.
why the AI voice, are you some dude from india with a thick accent? Are these even real videos or mostly AI generated? hmm
Thanks for the feedback. I guess that's something I need to work on...watch one of my earliest videos on the channel and tell me what you think...and which you prefer?