Why Blacks and Hispanics are turning to Trump | Patrick Ruffini | The Reason Interview
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- Did you know that a mere 44,000 votes spread across Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin kept Joe Biden and Donald Trump from an Electoral College tie in 2020? That was even tighter than in 2016, when 80,000 votes in three states gave Trump a decisive Electoral College win.
Patrick Ruffini is a Republican pollster at Echelon Insights and author of Party of the People: Inside the Multiracial Populist Coalition Remaking the GOP. Reason's Nick Gillespie talked with Ruffini about why the major parties continue to leak market share, why 2024 is going to be another super-close presidential race, and whether small-l libertarian voters will make the difference in November.
0:00- The remaking of the GOP
6:11- What pollsters did wrong in 2016
13:50- Does your income level indicate who you vote for?
16:00- Education is the best indicator of your political beliefs
21:05- What will happen to the GOP after Trump?
29:40- How did Trump gain black votes?
34:30- How the Hispanic vote has changed
42:00- The Asian American voting bloc
47:50- How close was the 2020 election?
54:00- Who is better on the economy, Trump or Biden?
1:05:00- Will Trumpism survive past Trump?
1:11:00- The future of social security
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I'm a 59 y.o. black man who has voted Democrat for president since 1984. I support Republicans now because Progressive Democrats run that party and they have lost their damn minds.
I don't see how black people could support Democrats or Republicans
Pro tip: Democrats and Republicans are on the same team. It's called controlled opposition, and while you might think you've done something different, You haven't. You're still empowering the same system.
#libertarian
@@dustinabc This has been the case for a while.
But Trump is an odd ball.
@@dustinabc exactly
@@RedtechoTrump started Operation Warp Speed Forced Experimental injections that went worldwide. He's not an oddball.
Am I wrong or was not Trump talking specifically about Mexican gang members with his disparaging comments, not Mexicans in general?
Reason has TDS
Even famed Libertarian Murray Rothbard understood open borders can be used as a political tactic against a country, as was the tactic of the USSR moving ethnic Russians into Soviet states they wanted more control. And this is how I understand Trump’s comments, especially today with hostile countries such a China and Venezuela actively sending ‘undesirable’ persons and criminals as a political tactic to destabilize the United States.
You're talking about a guy who thinks the food is spelled "hamberder". There's no way to take anything that comes out of his mouth and narrow down specifically what it means.
@@notme222 he's been consistently anti-illegal immigration.
@@notme222 If you’re claiming he’s just pure idiot so shouldn’t give a generous interpretation then you shouldn’t give a critical one either. Im fine with that, and if his first term taught us anything it’s the president is irrelevant when compared to the deep state. We’ve got a president right now who can’t tie his own shoes, but does it matter? I say it matters very little if at all and am voting Libertarian (unless we get another ‘you must be anti-racist’ candidate.
I wish Reason would spend a little more time covering Libertarian candidates and primaries, instead of just covering the same stuff we get from the corporate media with a slightly different angle.
Even 10-20 seconds about the Libertarians that are running in each video that discussed the election would be great to start getting their names and basic awareness out there.
If libertarian media doesn't even cover the Libertarian process, what hope do we have than the 2-party Controlled media will?
Reason seems to be influenced by Republican donors more than it used to.
Things have changed since Trump. I don’t even know who the LP candidate is in 2024. These past two election cycles were so disheartening, as well. I’m about ready to move on, in terms of how I’ll vote and just be a “small l libertarian” from now on.
@@smoothALOE ?
So you'll vote for Trump who'll bankrupt the country and push for protectionism and blame foreigners for the economic problems.
@@smoothALOEThere isn't a Libertarian candidate yet. They're discussing with RFK Jr. having him be their candidate, b/c it's the quickest way for him to get on the ballot in every state, but he's not a Libertarian on all issues so who knows if it will work out or not.
Trump was referring to illegal aliens, when he made the comment about rapists and murderers.
I think that's why people who immigrated legally do not take offense to what he said. They're also seeing the crime, and the siphoned resources they think Americans deserve.
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. […] They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people” (Time Magazine 2015).
@lavenderroseluvzwomen891 you can go and watch the whole video yourself. He was referring to illegal aliens coming from Mexico. Or, you can continue to take something out of context because it gives you something to talk about.
There's a reason people who know what he was talking about were not offended.
@@lavenderroseluvzwomen891 youre willfull ignorance is expected
@wuddup100 did you take the time to go watch the whole video yourself?
@lavenderroseluvzwomen891 exactly he was attacking mexicans, but once he realized what he had said he corrected himself. Not that it would have mattered to his audience.
"Can we disentangle this from Trump himself". No, TDS is still strong with Reason.
Oh yeah, the mental gymnastics are hilarious. Heavily implies Biden is working class and that his administration printing trillions of dollars should somehow benefit the working class 🙄
Anything good Trump did though, they always want to disconnect from him. People with TDS have no idea how heavily they have pushed centrists to the right.
The Normies are voting Trump because it's like pushing the pause button on Democratic Identity politics insanity. It's not even about Trump any more.
It's too bad the Reason guy lets his bias against Trump overshadow his commentary and assessment of the situation. Both of them overlook what is a primary factor driving Trump's support. He's an outsider and he's not corrupt so he's able to run the country with pure motives (in alignment with he feels is right, not what his donors have manipulated him to do). This is refreshing. RFK appears to have a similar quality.
From my POV, NYC resident for 20 years until 2015, Trump is deeply corrupt in his own little real estate sphere. He's just a different kind of corrupt, and different level (lower level) compared to the war-mongering deep state candidates like Clinton / Biden.
In other words, his motives are far from "pure" as you're suggesting. He's just as ego and narcissism-driven as any of them.
@@filmjazzNo, his motives are pure as far as doing what's right for the country, not doing what's right for Raytheon and Boeing, etc.
I keep reminding people of how close the election was and I'm tired of hearing that it was 7 million that separated the two. Had 22,000 people voted for Trump instead of Biden it would have been a tie and it would have gone to the house if I remember correctly
Remember how the numbers were being flipped from Trump to Biden on live TV?
Dems will always fiddle with the count if given a chance.
If big tech, media and the swamp not do everything in their power to prevent Trump from winning he would have/possibly did win.
Nah. There is no truthful sentence in that comment. There is no truthful message in that comment. Not “Had 22,000 people voted for Trump instead of Biden it would have been a tie and it would have gone to the house if I remember correctly.” /
@jordanjohnson9866 nah? Here is the data with the math. Arizona is 11 electoral votes, Georgia 16, and Wisconsin 10. Had those states flipped for trump, the count would have been 269 to 269.
Biden won Arizona by 10,457... Georgia by 11,779... and Wisonsin by 20,682. That means it would have taken only 5,229 people voting for trump instead of biden in Arizona, 5890 in Georgia, and 10,342 in Wisconsin to result in an electoral college tie. The election would have been tied if a total of 21461 voters in those 3 states had chosen differently. Tell me what is not truthfull.
@jordanjohnson9866 I recalculated the data. The real number is 21,461. 5229 in Arizona, 10342 in Wisconsin, and 5890 in Georgia would have changed the results. That's 11, 10, and 16 electoral votes, which flipped would have resulted in a 269-269 tie. Now tell me where I am not truthful.
The issue is illegal immigration. Why does Nick Gillespie think legal immigration is a significant concern? Has someone suggested we stop all legal immigration?
Yeah, Donald Trump.
@@randylatenteno he didn't. He said; we will build a nice, big wall, with a big, beautiful door for people to come in legally. He did want to restrict even legal immigration from 7 specific countries, which he did enact that policy. His administration was sued by the Democrats, but the court sided with the Trump administration. This is the policy that was framed as the "Muslim ban". But it was dishonest to frame it that way for 2 reasons; for 1, only 5 out of the 7 countries were Muslim, 1 was Venezuela which is a Christian country, I think maybe Catholic specifically, & I don't remember the 7th country. 2nd reason, there are way more than 5 Muslim countries, if I remember correctly, I think it's like 55 countries are Muslim. Yet Trump only put a restriction on 5 out of 55. So for those reasons it proves that when Trump said he was putting a restriction on 7 countries for terrorists reasons, it wasn't racist or against Muslims, it was because those 7 countries present a danger to Americans.
2024 ❤Trump ❤ 2024
#Latinosfortrump #Latinosparatrump #MexicanAmericansforTrump 🇺🇸🇲🇽
I'm a mexican american aka tejano from texas and tbh I domt Like neither biden or trump
Millennials and Gen Z for Trump 2024 🇺🇸🇺🇸🫶🏽
I am a Filipino American and I am voting for President Trump!
Also Spanish Americans who are lumped into the Latino/Mexican group have been in the current American "map" since the 1500's in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.
The question with regards to "education" is how much is due to education vs indoctrination?
Is that Tito Ortiz in the thumbnail?
Yes it is. Possibly the only man with worse speaking skills than Joe Biden.
I think it is, actually. We'll spotted.
It is he’s a huge Trump, supporter and one of the dumbest politicians ever known to mankind when he ran for his local office
And the bottom line being? A lot of pseudo-smart forth and back and little real substance. One could (and should have) summed this up in 5 min. max.
Pretty much describes Reason as whole anymore 😐
Inflation and the border crisis
it was some latinos coming in illegally not all latinos
Interesting comparison about Bill and Donald. I wasn’t old enough back in 1992 to follow what was going on back then. I’d say the key differences are modern media and Bill’s superior speech skills. Other than that, it’s not such a bad comparison given the context.
Bill had no record of real achievement outside politics.
@@sanniepstein4835 I guess that’s true, too. Another key difference.
"Bill’s superior speech skills." He is a bs artist.
I gave it 10 minutes, and he didn't say a single thing that isn't obvious to everyone. I appreciate you lasting 60 more Nick, but I can't do it.
They're afraid to talk about the elephant in the room.
Because they are less educated! 😢
What?
How racist of you!! 🤦🏻♂️
Lmfao, oh yes. Non-whites need your help, great educated one! Man, you Liberals are just SO racist, it's insane.
Less indoctrinated.
Facts…also Delusional and trying to fit in where they don’t belong..very comical ..
TDS, no reason to be found!
I am voting Kennedy. It is time for a new third party. We can call them Republicans.
Voting Kennedy at this point is essentially a vote for Trump!
Legal Immigrants see Illegal Immigrates are different, duh?!?!
It is refreshing to hear a libertarian interviewer that is demonstrably nonpartisan.
Good catch Nick. CT is diverse.
My dudes--who chose that headshot for Patrick Ruffini? Geez...
Bro's mouth isn't on right. It slants. He must drool out of the right side of his face, just based on gravity.
While Trump scores maybe a 28 out of 100, Biden scores about a 6 out of 100, I’m voting Libertarian, unless we get another ‘you must be anti-racist’ candidate.
MAGA HULK!
Trump 2024
I love trump becuase i mainly hate Libertarians. They dont talk about how immigrants and off shoring of jobs is massively hurting my wage. So even if Trump hates me cause Im muslim, at least thanks to his policies I make more money.
Brother, no conservative hates you if you follow Islam. The main concern is which country a person is immigrating from. If they are arriving from a country with terrorist cells that hate the US, we are much less likely to want to let you in. The only other fear is that if too many people from the Middle East arrive to the US, and are not encouraged to assimilate, we will become more like the Middle East. Obviously becoming more like the Middle East is a recipe for disaster or people wouldn't be leaving the Middle East to come to the US.
He hates terrorists not Muslims
"Creaps" him out to talk about his own people...strange it doesn’t creap him out to talk about any other voting group 🙄
That is not what he was conveying. He was creeped out by categorizing voters (or people more broadly) along racial lines. This is a pretty common gripe among libertarians. It is hard to avoid talking in racial terms, because it is what everyone else does, but we would much rather leave the construct behind to die a quiet death. There may be no avoiding talking about race historically, but it should really be left to the past.
Another trillion dollar corporate tax cut?
Video editor -> Please edit the 100000 um hums out in the future
Some people give me dictator vibes like they did Molly in Scotland.
They keep trynna make fetch happen.
It is apon us
Deeds, not words.
I hope that Patrick seeks help in removing "um" from his vocabulary.
Seventy is closer to fifty than a hundred. Positively antivast.
What is antivast? Google and urban dictionary were no help, is it a typo?
Why? That's dumb question
How many Hispanic voters has Nick Gillespie spoken to or even know?
Eeww Trump doesn’t talk nice, we White coastal uniparty supports can't vote for someone like that 😂 😂 😂
We have two categories, not men and not white
Interesting way to put it.
It is Rural versus City. Meaning people living in Rural areas vote Republican while Cities generally vote Democrat. Abbott & Desantis helped the Republican causes in Northern Democratic states by sending illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. But it may backfire when voters realize that it's Republicans that preventing the fixing of the border issues by not passing a bill they introduced.
The bill was a step in the right direction and would have been good to pass, but it was terrible. Could have been so much better. It's somewhat understandable why it was shot down.
We Libertarians need to vote for Trump or else we're going to be stuck with Biden and the radical Left authoritarians. This is not the election to vote Libertarian.
Facts
A White guest......A White guest......A White guest......
I would expect most independents that lean libertarian would go for RFK than Trump. Trump is not a libertarian in any sense of the defn. He is the most authoritarian candidate for President we have ever had.
The government keeps growing so each election actually is the most important yet and each president the most authoritarian. 🤷🏼♂️
Pres. Biden is much more libertarian than authoritarian. So your statement has a lot of fallacy to it due to too much generalization. The mere fact that Trump is willing to move the entire Constitution to being like Hungary and Russia (relative to the President) is very clear proof that Trump wants to go to an authoritarian govt. with the Presidency having most power and the legislative and judicial being little more than figures of what our Democratic Republic as.
More authoritarian than those who take opponents off ballots, jail peaceful protestors, and use the legal system as raw force divorced from law and principle? Please, give examples.
Ruffini is a dupe for autocracy
Blacks for Trump 2024 🎉
Elitist insider babble. This all could have been said in a much easier accessable language - if wanted.
This isn't correct. Just follow how people are voting right now
Trump is having his fifth avenue moment and it's not going good
Reasontv? More like garbage tv
Than don't watch it trick
@@wackytoons88 lmfao 🤣 😂 💀 😭 😆 😅 🤣 😂 💀 😭 😆 😅 🤣 😂 💀 😭 😆 😅 🤣 😂 💀 😭 😆 😅 🤣
@@jenniferlove7519 😂😂
Nick, you’re getting old, and the 2004 middle school stoner cut isn’t becoming of you.
421 like
Stop with the attitude, not a plus acting as if your above, you keep calling voters them. Bad framing
I don't it would be a close race.stop lying to the people
He is so dull and hard to listen to.
How LAME if you think Rump is going to be president again? Buy some fertilizer and grow a clue! This is just podcast crap!
Blacks😂😂😂 Jesus
"Blacks" is crazy 😭I understand we say whites, hispanics, indias, etc etc.. but "Blacks" also have a racist undertone to it, thats just how it is social constructively so dont say its me.
Why is blacks racist and whites not? I would be called "white" but my skin isn't white the same way "black" people's skin is not black.
In the context how it's used historically@@harrydavey9884
I’ve met a couple of guys who corrected me when I referred to them as African-American, preferring to be called “black.” Still probably going to default to the first. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@harrydavey9884 no i agree with you, but thts just the way culture is as of now, and culture is moldable.
@@EricGranata ye some dont care, the less woke ones and so on yk.
It’s the thumbnail Tito Ortiz and rampage Jackson?