Edge vs DFAM ua-cam.com/video/p5LADPPcaN0/v-deo.html MIDI ua-cam.com/video/NQuho9IlCO4/v-deo.html With a DAW ua-cam.com/video/mG-19XVU7lk/v-deo.html Main demo ua-cam.com/video/rc4wlomawNs/v-deo.html For some sample packs check out www.starskycarr.com
Another great video with stacks of useful knowledge. By the time everyone get's theirs, no one will bother making a video, as you'll have covered it in it entirety.
lol.. I just bought the cobalt5s.. and I been drooling over the Crave and Edge. And here you are with exsactly that setup. Commenting just in the beginning of the video.. now I have to watch it all :-) Yup, I understand nothing :-) But that’s also why I eyeballing those synths to learn.
That's really cool. For the first part of the video you're essentially using Crave as a MIDI-CV box, so everything would work the same way with M32 and DFAM. I had never thought about doing something like that. That bit with Dylan Thomas was kind of like a techno version of the outro of Knights in White Satin. Really fun.
Oh yeah… just changed the title to reflect that. I never thought of it either! I think with the Moogs being eurorack format I’d gravitated toward using it with that rather than MIDI. Nice idea. Thanks
In the DFAM episode of Bad gear (audiopilz), he does something similar with an Arturia Keylab (which have MIDI/CV capability, I guess), he also uses it to transpose the sequence. It's Jam 1 in the episode.
Honestly Starsky, I've had that 'Tropical' tune in my head for absolutely ages, since you made this video. It's A CRACKER!!! You have to release this. Or at least, just do a quick video of the 'Tropical' tune, 4 mins long. It's a TOTAL BANGER!!! Cheers man.
I have a Polyend SEQ, it's 32 grid by 8 rows. This is perfect for something like the EDGE, you can add, remove steps in real time and see it beautifully. Expensive sequencer but I think I may look into getting a couple of EDGEs for some experimentation. That a Crave and a Spice when they come out.
Cool sounds! Oh man the Edge is such a massive «if only...». I’d very gladly pay more for a nice sequencer with polyrhythms, swing and song mode. Maybe their elusive BCR32 or Groove key will perform these duties. Standalone units without memory have a tendency to collect dust.
Hello, I’ve be watching your videos and they’re really helpful, thank you. I have one question I just can’t seem to find an answer Can you play individual steps through the USB or midi to computer? Like the dfam with mafd does. If so how? if not do you think they will add it eventually? Thank you for any information 🙂
12:22 thanks for the answer ; ) Too bad midi can't offer this, as I have the DFAM I might buy this Sonoclast module. Then I can control the DFAM pretty well with the Keystep CVs, with touch velocity and all that...
Would i able to use the cv out on my midi controller in the same way? Im wondering how i might utilize the cv, gate, and mod outs on my midi controller with the edge.
hi, friend. First of all, congratulations on the videos, they are all very good, I would like to know how to do so that connected with ableton live, or with any other teacher, so that the edge jumps with the triguer from the first hit of the sequencer every time, I just figured it out buy and I'm already making very complex techno sounds, with the edge this seems like an easy task for me, fun and very addictive, but I can't press play and have it start from the beginning of the sequencer, I imagine in a live show, pressing play and Let the sequencers start each on their own wherever they want without going at the same time, measure or rhythm, I think it should be possible to do it, the idea is to add crave and neutron this week, in order to end up demolishing the apartment block where I live, I might end up behind bars one of these days but first I would like to be able to synchronize with live and with the others, thank you and greetings ;)
You have to manually move the edge to the final step by cycling to the end with the next step button. If it’s in the final step and you press play it starts in the first. There’s no automatic way of resetting as far as I know.
I'm having a hard time figuring out the MIDI pitch tracking. I've tried to see if the pitch matches the keys pressed on the keyboard on your videos, but I feel like the pitch is not correct. Could you confirm that the tracking is correct, i.e. a C4 results in a C4 rather than a B flat. I'd love to use this as a bass synth but I've yet to find convincing examples of the edge being in tune with other instruments.
The tuning depends on the oscillator tune knob position so won’t be exactly in tune unless I’ve done that- which I doubt I did. Playing the keyboard with the seq pitch knobs at zero tracks the pitch. If the seq knob is detuned the oscillator will add that value to the midi pitch.
appreciate this video, seeing further patching potential, and how to integrate with daw (recording modulation lanes in the daw of the dfam?). sorry, I'm confused why the pitch-cv-from-MIDI works on the crave but not the edge. I'm prob misunderstanding what you're explaining at 2:00. MIDI pich info isn't converted to CV v/oct? Only not on the crave, whereas the edge has this capability? Can you please offer a bit more explaination? thanks!
Me too. It's one of the rare things I can't emulate on software, and it's so fun to play with... Bad side, it doesn't have any use on my music genre. Apart from its pink colour.
@@dankeplace you got it wrong. you still need a kinda 808/909. this dfam making that crazy techno lines where you build a beat with a conventional drum mashine over it ; )
Starsky Bro, you unsubscribe me? I've been subscribed since you were doing these videos out of an old vw camper. Think I'm gonna pick up an Edge, just stopped by to see your machinations with it, and noticed I was subscribed but not at the ALL level, which I'm absolutely sure I have been subscribed at since your mini-moog/model D comparisons. Just thought you should know the algo overlords have been f'ing with you and your channel. Keep that 'ol vw gassed up and ready to go.
Awesome! Question: How would you sync the midi clock of the Edge with Logic Pro? I want to sequence with the Edge and match a drum machine in logic. Is it possible?
Yes - you need to go into the synchronisation settings in Logic and check the MIDI output the edge is connected to. Set the edge to listen to external MIDI.
It is possible with Crave. Route an external signal to ext.aud. input, turn mix cv knob all the way to the right and there you go. Can't use ADSR because Crave just have attack, decay and sustain, but not release You may need a preamp though
No, the drum pad section is where I touch in that. The MAFD can do it for the DFAM, so maybe this as well - but your probably best just to use a keyboard or drum pad and set each pad to send the pitch you’re after.
i just want to sync it with my daw (ableton) so I can use time based effects like delays when i perform it. that should be easy no? guess I connect it over USB and then go to ableton midi settings and hope it shows . does it come with a driver?
It doesn’t need a driver - at least not for Logic on a Mac. I don’t see why it would need one for anything else. But yeah. Via usb it shows up as the Edge
It seems that the EDGE is half of a fail. You need a CRAVE to make it work properly! And/or a DAW (which is also worse)!! By the way, Synthtribe doesn't work on Linux (Behringer's fault).
I wouldn’t say that… I’m taking it beyond it’s standalone function, which is more than the DFAM. I don’t think that is considered half a fail (although lack of MIDI is a big fail on that in a lot of eyes).
Funny coincidence. I was talking to a guy that works for me about our fathers and their disciplinary tactics and brought up Dylan Thomas's points "Rage."
I'm only back in the UK for two weeks until the beginning of July. If I don't grab on then, I'll have to wait until it arrives in the country I stay, and it will probably end up nearer the Thomann price than the Andertons, and maybe by the end of the year. Thomanns went from 1-2 weeks to within a week, back to 1-2 weeks. Not ordering it until it's in stock, but it's back to within a week as of today, so fingers crossed I can pick one up soon.
@@lesterfalcon1350 I've just spoken with Thomann support, they say 16 June. Don't know if it's the same in snyy country they ship, and anyway this date can change, but I hope you'll make it!
@@wonderwheel80s Hey, thanks for the info. I should be good, I'm back in the UK, from the 21st, so things should work out. Lots of synth companies don't have a presence or a range here (Vietnam), but I got my TD3 MO here and I've seen Craves here too, so if it doesn't work out this month, I have to wait for a local shop. Although Thomann have been my main supplier of music gear in the VN for a decade now. But shipping one synth isn't really worth it, especially at this ones price.
And it doesn't output the pitch value on the patchbay, also. It seems to me that MIDI pitch is not related at all to the "Pitch" parameter of the edge, it simply transposes both oscillators. And when the sequencer is running, the "Pitch" parameter of the synth takes over, transposing oscillators according to the setting you selected and outputting the value on the patchbay. Anyway it's still much more than I hoped, personally I was content enough with MIDI sync.
I show the relationship between the MIDI pitch and the sequencer in the tuning section. Midi pitch takes precedence if the sequencer is not playing, but reverts to the current step’s setting on release. 12 o’clock is same as MiDI
Thank you. I have another question, which can seem trivial but actually is not: if you put Velociy at 0 on a DFAM step, it will not trigger the envelopes. This is not the same of a 0 volume trigger, because if you have a tight sequence and a long decay, if you put velocity at 0 it won't cut the previous step, allowing it to fully decay. This is exploited in the "electro-thump" factory patch of the DFAM. Is the Edge doing the same, or will it trigger the envelope anyway, cutting the previous step? Thanks to anyone who can answer this! EDIT: The answer to this was already given by Starsky here: ua-cam.com/video/rc4wlomawNs/v-deo.html So it works as the DFAM.
You can elongate the note in the daw - and, if you want to change pitch on the next step, pitch bend the note - a workaround if you’re relying on pitch changes in elongated notes.. not ideal but do-able perhaps.
@@StarskyCarr Thanks, but I was talking about the sequencer, no MIDI involved, I'd like to know if the sequencer triggers the envelopes or not when the step velocity is zero. DFAM doesn't, I'm quite sure.
@@wonderwheel80s I think it’s exactly the same as the DFAM. I’ve not noticed any difference when doing that. I may even have shown it in my first demo - where I’m showing how the sounds all gel together because as the sound continues to the next step the settings change according to the knobs, but it wasn’t retriggering
Just wondering if i can make the arpeggiator outout from my nord stage 3 via midi trigger the midi input to a moog mother 32? anyone ever tried this or knows how to make this method work. T.I.A. : )
Edge vs DFAM ua-cam.com/video/p5LADPPcaN0/v-deo.html
MIDI ua-cam.com/video/NQuho9IlCO4/v-deo.html
With a DAW ua-cam.com/video/mG-19XVU7lk/v-deo.html
Main demo ua-cam.com/video/rc4wlomawNs/v-deo.html
For some sample packs check out www.starskycarr.com
Another great video with stacks of useful knowledge. By the time everyone get's theirs, no one will bother making a video, as you'll have covered it in it entirety.
That song with Anthony Hopkins was 🔥🔥🔥🔥. Reminded me of The Swans and Psychic TV
lol.. I just bought the cobalt5s.. and I been drooling over the Crave and Edge. And here you are with exsactly that setup. Commenting just in the beginning of the video.. now I have to watch it all :-)
Yup, I understand nothing :-) But that’s also why I eyeballing those synths to learn.
That's really cool. For the first part of the video you're essentially using Crave as a MIDI-CV box, so everything would work the same way with M32 and DFAM. I had never thought about doing something like that.
That bit with Dylan Thomas was kind of like a techno version of the outro of Knights in White Satin. Really fun.
Oh yeah… just changed the title to reflect that. I never thought of it either! I think with the Moogs being eurorack format I’d gravitated toward using it with that rather than MIDI. Nice idea. Thanks
In the DFAM episode of Bad gear (audiopilz), he does something similar with an Arturia Keylab (which have MIDI/CV capability, I guess), he also uses it to transpose the sequence. It's Jam 1 in the episode.
Honestly Starsky, I've had that 'Tropical' tune in my head for absolutely ages, since you made this video. It's A CRACKER!!! You have to release this. Or at least, just do a quick video of the 'Tropical' tune, 4 mins long. It's a TOTAL BANGER!!! Cheers man.
thanks for sharing all this info on the edge. made an informed decision to get it
I use the DEAM so much i am going to add an edge.
Starsky yer a genius and you make great easy to understand videos
Thanks for all the insightful content you make man, much appreciated!
I have a Polyend SEQ, it's 32 grid by 8 rows.
This is perfect for something like the EDGE, you can add, remove steps in real time and see it beautifully.
Expensive sequencer but I think I may look into getting a couple of EDGEs for some experimentation.
That a Crave and a Spice when they come out.
I already have the crave, love it. Getting the edge even though I already have a dfam. I am looking forward to the spice.
@@mimikova390 I had 2 M32s, they were far too expensive for what they offered.
Yeah I have had my edge hooked up to my deluge sequencer great fun
Such a good video Starsky. Thank you sir.
Great video, thanks
Tropical Carr is the summer jam of 2023!! 😎
Nice, so I could use a System 1or a Beat Step Pro instead of the Crave?
✌️🇦🇺
Cool sounds!
Oh man the Edge is such a massive «if only...». I’d very gladly pay more for a nice sequencer with polyrhythms, swing and song mode. Maybe their elusive BCR32 or Groove key will perform these duties. Standalone units without memory have a tendency to collect dust.
super f'in duper job there fella, nailed it -
Let's get tropical! lmao
Hello, I’ve be watching your videos and they’re really helpful, thank you. I have one question I just can’t seem to find an answer
Can you play individual steps through the USB or midi to computer? Like the dfam with mafd does. If so how? if not do you think they will add it eventually? Thank you for any information 🙂
Thanks for this video , is there any way to trigger midi notes from the crave into edge as you did but simultaneously sync both with daw?
12:22 thanks for the answer ; ) Too bad midi can't offer this, as I have the DFAM I might buy this Sonoclast module. Then I can control the DFAM pretty well with the Keystep CVs, with touch velocity and all that...
Would i able to use the cv out on my midi controller in the same way? Im wondering how i might utilize the cv, gate, and mod outs on my midi controller with the edge.
hi, friend. First of all, congratulations on the videos, they are all very good, I would like to know how to do so that connected with ableton live, or with any other teacher, so that the edge jumps with the triguer from the first hit of the sequencer every time, I just figured it out buy and I'm already making very complex techno sounds, with the edge this seems like an easy task for me, fun and very addictive, but I can't press play and have it start from the beginning of the sequencer, I imagine in a live show, pressing play and Let the sequencers start each on their own wherever they want without going at the same time, measure or rhythm, I think it should be possible to do it, the idea is to add crave and neutron this week, in order to end up demolishing the apartment block where I live, I might end up behind bars one of these days but first I would like to be able to synchronize with live and with the others, thank you and greetings ;)
You have to manually move the edge to the final step by cycling to the end with the next step button. If it’s in the final step and you press play it starts in the first. There’s no automatic way of resetting as far as I know.
I'm having a hard time figuring out the MIDI pitch tracking. I've tried to see if the pitch matches the keys pressed on the keyboard on your videos, but I feel like the pitch is not correct. Could you confirm that the tracking is correct, i.e. a C4 results in a C4 rather than a B flat.
I'd love to use this as a bass synth but I've yet to find convincing examples of the edge being in tune with other instruments.
The tuning depends on the oscillator tune knob position so won’t be exactly in tune unless I’ve done that- which I doubt I did. Playing the keyboard with the seq pitch knobs at zero tracks the pitch. If the seq knob is detuned the oscillator will add that value to the midi pitch.
appreciate this video, seeing further patching potential, and how to integrate with daw (recording modulation lanes in the daw of the dfam?).
sorry, I'm confused why the pitch-cv-from-MIDI works on the crave but not the edge. I'm prob misunderstanding what you're explaining at 2:00. MIDI pich info isn't converted to CV v/oct? Only not on the crave, whereas the edge has this capability? Can you please offer a bit more explaination? thanks!
like why is it different from MIDI thru?
is the only a keyboard CV out on the crave, that isn't there on the edge? (perhaps because it has nothing like an internal kb?)
I am getting one. Sounds so good.
Me too. It's one of the rare things I can't emulate on software, and it's so fun to play with... Bad side, it doesn't have any use on my music genre. Apart from its pink colour.
@@wonderwheel80s this thing (dfam) is literially made for techno
@@yukuzoona6604 absolutely not.
DFAM is just an instrument you can use for what ever purpose you want.
I hear no 808, 909 in a DFAM at all.
@@dankeplace you got it wrong. you still need a kinda 808/909. this dfam making that crazy techno lines where you build a beat with a conventional drum mashine over it ; )
@@yukuzoona6604 DFAM is a conventional drum machine, just not for Techno, pure and simple.
I assume that the crave and edge should be on different midi channels in the first example, correct? The one using osc1 and osc2. Thanks in advance.✌
Starsky Bro, you unsubscribe me? I've been subscribed since you were doing these videos out of an old vw camper.
Think I'm gonna pick up an Edge, just stopped by to see your machinations with it, and noticed I was subscribed but not at the ALL level, which I'm absolutely sure I have been subscribed at since your mini-moog/model D comparisons. Just thought you should know the algo overlords have been f'ing with you and your channel. Keep that 'ol vw gassed up and ready to go.
Weirdness!!
Awesome! Question: How would you sync the midi clock of the Edge with Logic Pro? I want to sequence with the Edge and match a drum machine in logic. Is it possible?
Yes - you need to go into the synchronisation settings in Logic and check the MIDI output the edge is connected to. Set the edge to listen to external MIDI.
Awesome!!
is it possible to use external audio as a VCO source through the Edge or the Crave and then apply filter / ADSR to that source?
It is possible with Crave. Route an external signal to ext.aud. input, turn mix cv knob all the way to the right and there you go. Can't use ADSR because Crave just have attack, decay and sustain, but not release
You may need a preamp though
Hello. i cannot sync Edge internal sequencer with cubase using usb midi. have you got a solution?
excellent
Starsky are you going to do a comparison review of the Prophet 600 and the False Prophet 800?
When I eventually get hold of one yeah.
Wondering if using something like polyend play or oxi one if you could just trigger the "notes" as set on the Edge, but in a different order?
No, the drum pad section is where I touch in that. The MAFD can do it for the DFAM, so maybe this as well - but your probably best just to use a keyboard or drum pad and set each pad to send the pitch you’re after.
Dylan Thomas Raaaaaaggggggggeeeeee!
I check our reseller's site every few days to see if it's listed... still nothing.
How did you get it early? Did you reach out to Behringer or Behringer to you?
i just want to sync it with my daw (ableton) so I can use time based effects like delays when i perform it. that should be easy no? guess I connect it over USB and then go to ableton midi settings and hope it shows . does it come with a driver?
It doesn’t need a driver - at least not for Logic on a Mac. I don’t see why it would need one for anything else. But yeah. Via usb it shows up as the Edge
@@StarskyCarr thanks for the reply
On the edge using standalone, can you have a different number of steps in your sequence eg 6 steps instead of 8? How to do that?
No that’s not possible
You can change the sequencer scale from 1/4 to 1/32T though, which is already a vast improvement over the regular DFAM.
It seems that the EDGE is half of a fail. You need a CRAVE to make it work properly!
And/or a DAW (which is also worse)!!
By the way, Synthtribe doesn't work on Linux (Behringer's fault).
I wouldn’t say that… I’m taking it beyond it’s standalone function, which is more than the DFAM. I don’t think that is considered half a fail (although lack of MIDI is a big fail on that in a lot of eyes).
Funny coincidence. I was talking to a guy that works for me about our fathers and their disciplinary tactics and brought up Dylan Thomas's points "Rage."
Hi, wich midi to cv converter would you recommend? Thanks
for the price... the CRAVE. I know it sounds excessive but it does the job and you get a free CRAVE!
Its a strange one, you can order them from Germany for 200, while in the UK its closer to 160, you just have to wait til August.
I guess there’s a first come premium!
I'm only back in the UK for two weeks until the beginning of July. If I don't grab on then, I'll have to wait until it arrives in the country I stay, and it will probably end up nearer the Thomann price than the Andertons, and maybe by the end of the year. Thomanns went from 1-2 weeks to within a week, back to 1-2 weeks. Not ordering it until it's in stock, but it's back to within a week as of today, so fingers crossed I can pick one up soon.
@@lesterfalcon1350 I've just spoken with Thomann support, they say 16 June. Don't know if it's the same in snyy country they ship, and anyway this date can change, but I hope you'll make it!
@@StarskyCarr one hell of a premium its almost 25% extra.
@@wonderwheel80s Hey, thanks for the info. I should be good, I'm back in the UK, from the 21st, so things should work out. Lots of synth companies don't have a presence or a range here (Vietnam), but I got my TD3 MO here and I've seen Craves here too, so if it doesn't work out this month, I have to wait for a local shop. Although Thomann have been my main supplier of music gear in the VN for a decade now. But shipping one synth isn't really worth it, especially at this ones price.
so an I right in thinking midi input controls both osc's on edge regardless of 3 position sequencer>osc switch position ?
Yes
And it doesn't output the pitch value on the patchbay, also. It seems to me that MIDI pitch is not related at all to the "Pitch" parameter of the edge, it simply transposes both oscillators. And when the sequencer is running, the "Pitch" parameter of the synth takes over, transposing oscillators according to the setting you selected and outputting the value on the patchbay. Anyway it's still much more than I hoped, personally I was content enough with MIDI sync.
I show the relationship between the MIDI pitch and the sequencer in the tuning section. Midi pitch takes precedence if the sequencer is not playing, but reverts to the current step’s setting on release. 12 o’clock is same as MiDI
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Thank you. I have another question, which can seem trivial but actually is not: if you put Velociy at 0 on a DFAM step, it will not trigger the envelopes. This is not the same of a 0 volume trigger, because if you have a tight sequence and a long decay, if you put velocity at 0 it won't cut the previous step, allowing it to fully decay. This is exploited in the "electro-thump" factory patch of the DFAM. Is the Edge doing the same, or will it trigger the envelope anyway, cutting the previous step? Thanks to anyone who can answer this!
EDIT: The answer to this was already given by Starsky here: ua-cam.com/video/rc4wlomawNs/v-deo.html So it works as the DFAM.
You can elongate the note in the daw - and, if you want to change pitch on the next step, pitch bend the note - a workaround if you’re relying on pitch changes in elongated notes.. not ideal but do-able perhaps.
@@StarskyCarr Thanks, but I was talking about the sequencer, no MIDI involved, I'd like to know if the sequencer triggers the envelopes or not when the step velocity is zero. DFAM doesn't, I'm quite sure.
@@wonderwheel80s I think it’s exactly the same as the DFAM. I’ve not noticed any difference when doing that. I may even have shown it in my first demo - where I’m showing how the sounds all gel together because as the sound continues to the next step the settings change according to the knobs, but it wasn’t retriggering
@@StarskyCarr Uh, I somehow missed that. Thank you for your answer, and the great videos!
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Just wondering if i can make the arpeggiator outout from my nord stage 3 via midi trigger the midi input to a moog mother 32? anyone ever tried this or knows how to make this method work. T.I.A. : )