How CNC Machinists CONQUER the RISE of AI
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- A.I and CNC Machining is not often brought up in the same sentence but with recent advancements in technology ... the conversation is now getting interesting.
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Titan I'm old school machinist started sweeping floors at at machine shop back in the early 70's. Then my boss asked if I wanted to run one of the machines well that's when it all started. The man that trained me was very old but he knew a lot. Told me to start buying tools and stuff. So I got a Kennedy tool box and started buy mic's calipers and stuff, I work at that shop for 5 years. I was in the business for 25 years worked on the F16, F111 at General Dynamics work there for 12 years. Got layed off and work at severed shops after that. Now I am a Mechanical Designer I'm, 67 years old now but love what I do. It's god to see your show when it was on TV but I like your you tube videos. I do miss the shop life but my knees couldn't handle the standing up all the time. You're doing a good job with young one, keep up the good work and god bless.
Skynet, the more you use it the more you teach it. 🤔
Yes.
In my opinion, I think machines and AIs go hand in hand. Some of these AIs could actually assist in creating a program or upgrade an existing one for production machines and such. Like some fields using image generators like Bluewillow in automating animations.
The software mastercam we use already makes automated program already its not perfect you still have to edit it sometimes
Since the 1980’s I’ve been hearing about how robots were gonna replace machinists…..and they did….somewhat…..over 30 years. I do the work of 5 machinists now thanks to ever better cnc machines. I always suspected that the front office / totally digital jobs like HR, accounting, and even engineering would get totally automated before me. But I’m not a production machinist. I work in prototyping and design. I think most people don’t realize the skill, dexterity, and attention to detail needed to make a high quality part. They think we’re basically idiots pushing buttons. There real danger is AI collapsing the economy because so many cubicle dwellers get put out of work that no one has any money to buy things. I have a small job shop at my farm I was gonna run in retirement, so at least I’ll be able to fix a tractor shaft in exchange for a chicken. I heard a good rule of thumb for how in danger of AI taking your job you are. Whatever % of your job you can do remotely is how replaceable you are.
As long as you can buy electricity or fuel with a chicken.
People have being saying not to worry about robots for decades and each decade they get substantially more advanced. Did the Amish not receive the same type of rebuke at the dawn of the industrial age? Humanoid robots exist and they will become highly dexterous. They already are quite impressive. I say we ban then now before they become a real threat.
@@Bagginsess there might be some quantum leap forward in physical robotics, but AI will collapse the economy in the digital realm long before humanoid robots are advanced enough. I think it’s just as likely that AI will control biological bodies thru something like neauralink. We’re chemically powered, self replicating, and somewhat self healing. I’m not saying AI won’t take my job, I’m saying AI will take so many jobs that doing my job will be pointless even before a robot can do it.
@@benargee yeah, in a collapse type situation you think maybe solar panels and a power wall would be nice, but someone would just kill you and take it, then someone would kill them, and on and on. You can’t possibly defend a fixed position against hoards of desperate people. They’ll burn you out eventually.
@@rexmundi8154 AI already controls the economy. The stock market is run by AI.
I'm trying to prevent robots replacing all labor. I'm set on being "Amish" or a luddite but we are doing a grave disservice to the coming generations by not nipping this in the bud and out lawing this abhorrence.
8 years ago my CNC/Tool&Die Technologies instructors told the class they could see shops functioning with only 5-6 of the best people as a result of enhanced technology. Obviously, this would depend on the size of the shop. Instructors stressed students become as versatile as they could and never stop learning. Those most relied on will prevail.
There will always be a need for people to stock, deliver, and load materials, perform general maintenance, and put an idea on “paper.” While I don’t see AI being fully competent to generate a fool proof set of G-Code now, it doesn’t mean this won’t become a reality later. As mentioned in the video, people have already begun to develop the technology.
In general, I do feel AI will become one of the most dangerous threats to society. With NO limitations to AI, humans can easily be manipulated and start losing the ability to think for themselves on many levels. It’s the perfect set-up for criminal activity. A dumbed down society is easier to control.
This is the right attitude to have towards Ai
Too many people lack faith in themselves and think Ai is going to leave them on the streets.
Humans adapt. Our ancestors survived the ice age. As they said find ways to be competitive and you will continue to succeed in a post Ai world.
No way around it, but implementation some places still boggle me.
So in my last place of work i got in as a temp replacing the painter that had a broken leg, then they found out i was machinist too and so i was put behind a manual grinding machine and did that for a few years, even if i barely touched a flat or axel grinding machine during my apprenticeship.
Then i was fired in the last depression around 2009 ( in the #5 round of firerings ) only to have the company call me again in 7 - 8 months later.
So i came back and primarily as a painter ( another of my many trades )
And they got me a robot to do the painting, that in itself not a bad idea.
BUT !
First of all i was not painting all day, actually on average i only painted for 4 - 5 hours a day and that was me slowing down due to the new paint booth and not least drying room, well not at all good dimensioned, so i often had to stop and do other stuff, like setup encoders ASO, even cleaning the floor,,,, i dont care, i am there to earn money and do my job.
SO physically the robot was not needed as my already blown elbow and shoulders had absolutely no problems keeping up.
And now come the worst problems.
1: i was not schooled on programming the robot.
2: the robot ( with basic programs set up by supplier and i then modified a little to suit different things ) when it was painting was 300 % slower than when i was painting, though dont really count CUZ even at the robots speed the dry room could not keep up, even with the conveyor and robot on snail pace.
Mind you the robots pace was absolutely no problem for the company.
3: The robot used at least 100 % more paint, actually i am more inclined to say 200 %.
4: The filters in the paint booth had to be cleaned 2 times a week VS when i painted it had to be done once every 2 weeks.
That i did not find to be a good implementation of modern technology.
Inept middle management, can kill off a factory / good work environment in ( me snap fingers )
Just like these CNC guys, i very much doubt they get a new Machine to just sit there most of the time, or if it run all the time only having it run at 50 % speed.
At least that is not my understanding on good practice.
The current level of AI is not a threat to any job, but what can be concerning is the exponential rate of improvement of the technology. An AI today is pulling from the data on the internet, but that's not how Alpha Zero became so dominant at Go. After an AI is trained on initial data sets (like the internet for GPT) it can then be optimized much further for specific tasks through running simulations or even operating in the real world environment if given an optimization objectives and reward functions. For machining that would be meeting design requirements while minimizing cost per part which would take into account cut time, machine wear, material use, etc...
I believe like most jobs it can also be far easier to automate 90% or 99% of tasks since they can be more repetitive but the hard part comes in automating the rare jobs which make up the long tail to get to 100%. Jobs won't be automated unless machines can do 100% of the work, instead we'll just get more productive.
As a machinist or anyone else I wouldn't be too concerned though, labor intensive jobs are likely to be harder to automate fully than others and once a threshold number of jobs are automated without trainable replacement opportunities we will have to come up with a new economic system like a UBI or something similar to take care of society at which point Machining will continue to live on as a hobby for anyone who wants to practice it just like countless other skills including blacksmithing and more.
The danger is who is feeding the AI. You can already see in some instances the responses are leaning to one side... careful. Also the consumer is only seeing the initial surface with chatgpt. What’s going on behind those development doors is concerning especially mixed with quantum computing.
Basically, the Internet.
Yeah, it's fascinating
Especially that the developers are generally solid left to far left and yet..... The responses.....
Td I read your comments & u have subd with TiTan 4 a long time ( same here ) TITAN has opened up something GREAT 4 all willing 2 learn
I've been in the trade from day 1 knowing what will happen in the CNC progression: it's all software & it's advancement is HUGE , Ai only worries me military wise because there is a lot of crazy S.O.B who just want 2 FUBAR the planet
@@angrydragonslayer Well, if the rules you put are double standard, you get an AI that is double standard.
Create an AI that actively tries to identify and correct it's own bias, and you may get something that a lot of people will feel insulted by, but makes sense.
@@manarallego3745 bro.... we already have that with raw data munchers
amazon had to yeet their hiring AI when it actively refused to hire women and black people (reasons being low actual hours vs salaried and theft respectively)
it made perfect sense to an AI and there was no bias to be had. so it just directly applied what it saw in the data...... which was women working 32 hours per 40 salaried and black employees stealing more from amazon (and just to say how insulting this is, i have to say that this is based on people getting caught so whites could be ACTUALLY stealing more)
We should not be afraid. We should use it in our advantage
The people developing the AI need to be careful, not afraid.
What worries me are the many reports that ChatGPT is not shy to invent stuff that is simply untrue. AI should follow ethical standards or else it will become the evil we fear.
It's regurgitating information from the internet. It's why you're told to check your sources in elementary school.
@@bubbasplants189 But that still means theres an issue at hand, if we're trying to get an intended output and we don't. When we're scaling this up to other applications that could be incredibly harmful. That's why there are halts on development now.
@@kransurfing I think the problem is, that the understanding of the result may be lacking, as well as the way to that result.
When I was a kid, our parents loved to impose rules on us, to make us "behave".
And we as kids did our best to follow those rules, but it was obvious, that they were double standard and could never yield the results expected from us.
Hilarity ensued - "hilarity" being us getting punished for doing what we were told.
Thank you for another fantastic video. GPT-4 is the most fascinating tool I have ever used. It has opened up a new level of learning that is truly amazing.
Here are my two cents. The fear of taking our jobs is essentially the fear that those who employ us get what they want from our labour easier/faster/cheaper using AI. In the end it will be our fellow humans making us unemployed and we will all treat it as a natural disaster nobody could do anything against. While that is true in the framework of our economy, it doesn't have to be that way.
I am engaged in automation and CNC production. I’m not at all worried about being replaced. People like me are the last ones left at the factory... without us everything will break down and not a single robot can fix it.
I'm an apprentice CNC Machinist, but I've been wondering if I should go deeper into it or jump ship and go for another trade.
@KrillinMMA 25 years machining. The first 10 were shop CNC. I'd never do ot again unless as preparation for field machining. I literally make triple what I did as a shop machinist. I can't imagine a robot ever doing my job unless we went full cyborg.
@@masterofnow1 Appeal to Incredulity:
"I can't imagine a robot ever doing my job unless we went full cyborg." Just because the speaker can't imagine it doesn't mean it's impossible. Technological advancements often exceed our current imaginations.
CNC machining is already a perfect data set for an ai. It’s all digital data to start. I don’t think it will replace machinists, but I do think it will replace programmers and make machining a mindless, boring task of offsetting tools and feeding and moving material. Right now we are giving the instructions and the computer is following them. Pretty soon that will be flipped.
CNC machinists will do like they have done for the last 40 years... Not be replaced by but integrate ai. The machine will always need a human hand even after the data is fed into the systems, whether it's to maintain, design, fixture, the human thinks outside of the box when the ai only can be in the box
Nice job, Trevor. Btw, I didn't write this, AI did.
AI is going make additive manufacturing much much cheaper and higher quality which will cut more and more into subtractive manufacturing.
I work at a job shop, I run all sorts of machines cnc, manual lathes. I don’t ever see lathes being replaced for big ass custom one off jobs.
Italy has announced a new law that is now BANNING Ai as a whole and they're only going to lift the Ban once Ai has been fully regulated.
EU is actually asking for more Information on the Ban from Italy and is currently considering adding it to their own laws, so Ireland, France, Sweden and Germany announced that they're looking into the possibility of banning it in their countries, which is a BIG Win for so many people.
As a future automated manufacturing engineer. I often talk with workers that are worried that they may lose their job when the new automated machine enters the shop. I always explain them my thoughts about automation and the place of the workers in a manufacture. I don't see the introduction of a automated cell has replacement for the workers job but has a way to make those workers more efficient. Yes they may not have the same task or even the same job title but it is a good thing. Workers can easily become operators with a simple formation.
I see the introduction of A.I in the industry the same way. It is just a way to make everyone more efficient. The job is still there! It is just transformed in a way to make the workers job easier, more efficient and in some case safer.
I do think that we need some basic rules to regulate A.I. and protect the users and others.
Like every revolution that happened there's going to be a adaptation phase. But we need to let the fear of changes aside and embrace those changes. They are there to push us for the better and make our industry stronger and less dependent of other.
The minute you start using AI, you start playing its game and it starts learning how to better replace you with all the data you give it until it doesn't need anything from you. The human/AI interface moves ever further into human territory until the human is dissolved.
It's a great message. Ai is a tool. Machinists are tool experts. Ai will never replace the machinist, because the machinist will use Ai. Anyone who's worked in a shop knows: Technology fails, and at the worst possible times. There is nothing to fear in the robots, and everything to scrutinize about the corporate agendas funding said robots.
People saying "AI will be better than every machinist and replace them" seem to be forgetting the fact that machining isn't a job where you go into work and do the exact same thing to produce the exact same part to the exact same tolerances every day. It takes creativity, ingenuity, and interpretation, which AI is not capable of (at this time).
Seriously? Have you not played around with ChatGPT and Midjourney? AI is very much capable of creativity, ingenuity and interpretation today. Not as much as a human is capable granted, but AI is improving at an insane rate.
Aerospace machinist. The bottom line is parts get fucked up. Programs get compromised in transit, deflection happens and inserts wear down. Inevitably parts will need to be manually worked in order to save them from the scrap bin. And until my boss buys an actual robot to actually preform setup on the cnc work centers i dont see how machinist are replacable. Most of the job is automatic already. The ability to setup a cnc work center is the most important part
@@joeybible683 A humanoid robot that has the dexterity and precision needed to setup a CNC (or similar) machine is about 15 years away (best guess). Not exactly "right around the corner" but not the 100 years away some people think. If you're a machinist under 50 years old then you will have your job replaced by a robot before you retire.
@Chris O'Connell that machine exist today. Fully autonomous robots exist but im way cheaper and will be for probably my whole career
@@joeybible683 You'll be way cheaper for about 15 more years. At that point a robot will be cheaper.
Technology exists to serve people. There is nothing wrong with reaping the benefits of its advancement.
What is IMPERATIVE is the understanding of what actually defines an artificial intelligence. At what point does an AI cease being a tool - a very advanced wrench, if you will - and become something more. Something possibly alive?
If we create a living being, let alone a THINKING being, then we have new responsibilities to that being. Morally, we will HAVE to address these questions in ways that we are entirely unprepared to do as a species.
Caution is a good idea. AI development is a strong contender for the Great Filter.
I think AI could be super beneficial to shops for growth. Work prioritization, client outreach, cost assessments etc. possibilities are endless
Yeah until it realizes that you are the problem and kills you
I can see more robotics coming in to reduce workplace injuries for part loaders especially since some of the robots can lift up to 2.5 thousand pounds.
But we manual machinists will still be ones to make prototypes and reapairs we manual machinists aren't hindered by waiting special inserts and holders
@@miguelcastaneda7257 manual machines are vital in ship building, roughing operations ( for large castings and forgings), tool rooms, polishing, and rework. Old addage they don’t make them like they used to. I have personally run manual machines that predate the 1st war for roughing out castings. Prototypes no I have seen that done manually and on CNC. I think it depends where and application.
@Jay Dee alot of tool and die is still manual..and passed on knowledge as well as hand polishing
@@miguelcastaneda7257 that is true but my experience isn’t there just speaking on what I know as a machinist in Aerospace Defense Oil and Gas and Foundry operations.
Old robots have muscles but no strong AI brain. Strong AI will be much different. It will be smarter than you in all possible ways and can teach itself using only internet and practical experience.
AI as a tool is fascinating. The potential for designing and manufacturing at a rate that was impossible before it's incredible. But these tools need to be developed with the engineers to build on their abilities, not replace them. A lot of the focus on AI comes from larger companies that are more focused on maximising profit over making a better end product. So they'll cut corners. They'll use off the shelf tools with the intention to reduce the number of workers and this will lead to fewer jobs and worse products
Great video,,,,but let's be honest,,it's always gonna be in a computer that cannot load tools,,change inserts,etc. Then again who knows?
Except they already have systems that can replace end mills scan them for wear and tear, sort them or sharpen them
for several years, we have been filling the database of free CAM program with all machinings from around the world.
When it fills up - it will have as many CNC programs, from each machine, from each equipment, etc......
Lol Machinists have used "AI" for decades . CAM software essentially works in the same manner as these "AI" programs , just a glorified calculator. Put in parameters, and it will spit out the best solution based on the information it has received.. If anything this more complex calculators will make our jobs more productive.
well that is easily fixed, just train the AI completely and only on the type of code you want and it will be leagues better than a mixed bag model.
P.s. no one so much as thought about AI taking over not even 3 years ago. This tech is still in its infancy and with each new model the programming for the next model will go even faster.
We have not even seen what is possible yet.
That being said their will always be a demand for man made goods. it will be a luxury commodity and a sign of wealth to have something man / handmade.
I'm glad there's actually high end people that are looking at possibilities vs profit. Just shows how FAR BEHIND REGULATIONS ARE within in the digital realm, let alone laws.
Great video. But this call to stop development sounds more like certain companies fearing losing their monopoly, no matter in which industry, because they probably can't keep up with the development themselves. Or even become completely unnecessary if processes are eliminated.
The overall message here is fantastic! So positive, AI is a powerful tool to augment your daily tasks. I'm a 60 yr old embedded circuit designer with 40+ yrs of experience, I have chatGPT open all day long, helps this old dog to remain competitive. Don't fear it, embrace it or you'll be left behind. Thanks for the video.
If you need AI to stay competitive you are cheating against an honest man who refuses to use AI.
AI allows me to write microcontroler code that i cannot write fast enough or well enough to operate the machines I build for the customers i am intent on delivering solutions for.
@@Bagginsess You're right, maybe I should just do google searches or watching UA-cam looking for answers then charge my customer for a couple hours of consulting time. Instead, I'm opting to ask chatGPT and finding the exact answer in a couple minutes. At this point, AI is tool.
@@CraigHollabaugh why not just get Neuralink then? Why not just have a robot feed you? What about the knowledgable men you could have paid and consulted for the information instead?
@@CraigHollabaugh please think of the ramifications this will have on younger generations in the future who will be locked in to using AI because we did nothing to stop it steam rolling the labor force.
Itll be interesting to see what the next decade has in store for us!!!! Great video!
Great video Trevor, loved the explanation covering why AI wont take the jobs.
No job that AI won't do, because it can do everything a man can do and much more, faster and better. It can teach itself without any man help, using just the internet and practical experience.
Honestly, it sounds like Trevor had ChatGPT write this script for him.
The dude is trying to be Ironman, where he only needs AI to help him build, but that is pretty bad ass if he can pull it off
As a toolmaker/ moldmaker it doesn't scare me,bring it
Is this Dr Steven?
Said it heaps of times. AI is not replacing anyone any more than any other tool of the past... These language models like Chat GPT are only impressive if you have never learned the history of the tool and just see it in use, same as a CNC. But to anyone well versed, all they see is an amazing tool built from hundreds of years of knowledge ready for them to put to work.... Thanks for making this, the media fear mongering behind AI needs stomping out hard ❤
AI as I see it would be great in many areas as an assistant like with the tool paths. Give a data sheet of what tools you can use and what machines you have in shop and let it loose to write all codes you need and telling you which machines, in what order, with what tools would be the best for the model you've given it.
AI like he said is based off data sets so if it could program complex parts it is based off theoretical knowledge that is linear. Programming efficiency takes creativity, wisdom and vast variables of knowledge that I don't believe AI will have the capacity anytime soon to manifest on a level with repeatability to put anyone in the cnc machinist trade out of a job. Maybe loading pallets like others have stated but that's it.
Great video Trevor! The market place certainly favors people who embrace innovation. It's crazy to think about where we could be in 10-20 years
It's not going anywhere. Time to embrace it. Don't let the fear generated by a fictitious robot in a sci-fi movie dictate human evolution.
Just think there will be a time when tool compensation will be done in real time with the accuracy of a CMM. I can see the entire workflow of design of assemblies and machine parts through CAD cam to a CNC machine, which is a complete digital workflow, with the feedback of probes for CMM type accuracy.
This is going to close the skill gap.
I can see top secret projects with high level security would stay in a current workflow.
You need to examine your paradigm
Hi, thank you for the nice video. They are a lot of new AI-technologies out there, which helps the machinists and quality engineers to improve, track and analyse their CNC-processes. In my opinion it will change the industry and early adapters can increase their business value.
We are standing at the edge of marked moment in history.
Just as we did when the first proper steam engines started to be produced and implimented.
This is going to be wild, and which ever nation/society masters this will rule the next 100 years.
"they took our jobs " is a reality, only ones investing in it are going to tell you "not to worry".
First 30 seconds in. AI does not have to become 'sentient' to be able to outperform humans in many aspects. It is all patterns and repetition.. Repetition can be replicated in every machine using said 'AI', regardless of task or machine used. It never had to be sentient. It just need a malicious mind at the very end, pulling the strings, pushing the buttons. That.... might not be the Human Operator, who just seeks to display excellence in the use of Tools.
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Bruh I start a CNC job next week. I believe 10 years is what we have. 10 good years to learn learn learn and get used to automation.
Great Video. As someone who owns a machine shop, my opinion is that AI will never replace a human being, at least right now. Maybe CAM programs might get more and more proficient, maybe soon they will need no human interaction, since AI will just find the most effective path to machine something. I think that will be the biggest impact AI will have in CNC’s world
Whatever helps you sleep at night ;)
Ok time to say the truth. I’m both a cnc machinist and a manual machinist. Been in business since 1999. Manual machinists and cnc machinists are not the same. Both serve a different purpose. A cnc machinist can make complex parts and produce on a high volume. What you all forget is the big urgent repairs needed on existing equipment. Turbines, pumps, hydraulic cylinders etc…. My production cnc work is almost non existent anymore. China is way too cheap. But my manual machining work is booming.
The argument presented here was the same argument used by major industries, aerospace, automotive, steel and even drug production to utilize automation for “efficiency” ie: reduction of workforce and increased productivity. Automation and robotics do
not, call in sick, never get pregnant, argue with the boss, pilfer from the company and contract industrial maladies to name a few undesirable employee traits. Modern machine tools are designed to be thrown away to make way for the next “technology leap”. Kudos for furthering the misconception that some humans are more needed than others.
I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle.
Charge the EMP!
Use GPT4 if you want good code. You can also feed it an example of good code. You can feed it the programming manual.
Yeah i dont think we are far off CAM software automation programming some toolpaths itself. But just like a Kuka robot isn't a replacement for a human i dont think an AI/Automation will replace a programmer.
A.I and 3D printers are a long way from taking over my job...Some of my jobs are 40m long and 100s of tonnes
Nice video Mr trevor
We have to have a flexible mind to adapt to the next TECHNOLOGY BOOM 💥
I am glad that there are people that still have common sense. AI will replace jobs that didn't had to be there in the first place or highly repeatable jobs that can be quantified in sets. It will not replace the human brain since, it so efficient at only 30Wh of power, compared with a data center that needs a powerplant to back it up. An AI fully aware, on an energy budget, will employ humans to do the vast majority of tasks, since that will be more efficient. For the moment AI is a tool that needs a lot of human creativity and guidance behind it in order to achieve the average.
In 5 years or less CAM will be: load the model, press "make me a program for this", take your code to the machine. The AI will write the post.
The AI will most likely design the workholding also, using the same machine models currently available for FMS packages. Still need a human to wrench it into being though, for now.
Correct that AIs could produce programs on whatever coding language but it produces an unverified code meaning there are posibilities that the code is still bugged requiring manual intervention from humans. Same way with other AIs that uses machine learning such Bluewillow among others.
I have said since 2000 the next big wave after the home PC will be robotics.
most of manual machinists denied to learn CNC machining and they were deleted from industry, most of them were not able to use computer and cad/cam systems, so they are replaced. Today same thing again who deny using A.I they will be replaced.
A.I will get us in a way we would never imagine.
Unintended consequences...What could go wrong. 🤔
AI is just a tool, it can be used for good or bad. Humanity needs to learn the lessons from old stories so we no longer need to repeat them, our inner coherence must catch up to the technology we are creating so we can build a bridge across which the whole of humanity will walk.
Hopefully you are making Optimus. We need Optimus to help us in our homes. Can we win an arm wrestle against it?
I really like these these types of videos.
One thing about AI and machining.. It will never and I repead NEVER beat human factor. Never ever.
I think this is the perfect veiwpoint on AI. The change is coming, and people will be replaced. But it's pushing society forward. We will need to adapt to how AI takes over everything, but we shouldn't stop it.
An AI expert I heard said he thought GPT-4 had been trained on everything that had ever been written that was available digitally and that GPT-5 would include every audio and video recording ever made. I had GPT-3 write some gcode and with a few corrective prompts, it would fave ran fine. Faster than I could type it out for sure. It was simple stuff, but a lot of job shop stuff is. I think you miss the mark when you talk about creativity and efficiency. A robot system doesn’t have to be more efficient they crush you on the time scale. AI can simulate a thousand different toolpaths and optimize for the best one in a fraction of the time a human can do one. Automation has always struggled with making robots use human tools. But soon, AI will design tools specifically for robots. Imagine a massive Swiss style machine. Feed it 12" diameter stock and produce no human touch practically anything.
much needed ambition boost
Manual Machinists: "CNC machining will never catch on."
A little on the wrong side. AI will help simplify the writing of programs that used to take weeks or a month to a few days. This will help a lot.
With writing the G-code or constructing the geometry of an object, he still does not cope.
Ai bais is not a problem, because we can cobot the ai. Ai is like a rough draft that we can then utilize without needing to spend arduous hours. Its a threat to large corporations thus that is why ai is on the forefront of the news. People in power want to stay in power.
When the day comes that AI can replace CNC Machinists we're in trouble if we can't control it.
I use it now and think it's a great tool for computer programming, it can make you a lot more efficient.
I started CNC Machining in the early 80s and doing G code was my least favorite part of being a CNC Machinist and soon AI will be able to do all that code for you, but it will still need the creativity of how to make the parts given to it for a time, but the day will come where it just looks at a drawing or part and does it all.
We have a long way to go before it “replaces” machinists. We will also be adapting and growing with it.
Robots building robots is the end game and should be outlawed!
@@Bagginsess Man, it’s shocking how many machinist don’t understand AI.
I don’t think you understand just how complex a task that is.
@@kw2519 I know more about AI and robots than machining. You need to do more research if you think this isn't possible. Boston Dynamic's humanoid robot Atlas has within the span of years gone from being able to stand and walk to doing perfectly timed flips and parkour. There are plenty of cybernetic hands on amputees that have gone from grabbing a cup to providing the sense of touch and allowance of drawing or using fine tools. Machine learning has gone from tackling abstract data sets to reproducing human speech and passing the Turing Test. The US air force has successfully trained AI to fly F-15s, analogous to a manual lathe or mill. And this is only the publicly available robots and AI.
In another 10, 25, 50 years robots will be absolute nightmare.
@@Bagginsess that’s all well and good. But we’re talking about machining….which is it’s own beast. If there’s anything I’ve learned about robotics from machining, it’s that machines do exactly what you tell them to do. Including walking their happy little asses off a cliff.
There is so much nuisance to creating a robot to replace machinists. The intelligence required to do that , would mean that machining jobs being replaced by robots would be the least of societies problems.
Plus, where’s the demarcation line that confirms the robot is replacing the machinist? You can buy an 80% lower receiver and put some holes in it. Technically you made the gun, but someone else did 80% of the work, specifically, the most difficult parts.
with Ai and CNCmachining we may just go onto mars like if it was a taxi from New York to Montreal
Probably getting ready somewhere right now I'm sure it's going to be ready somewhere, whether it's Sandvik or Autodesk, and it's going to come out soon.
I think that he will not take the job of the machinist per se, however in decision-making in a cnc workshop, such as security measures, logistics measures in administrative information processing, he will undoubtedly take some other job, since a well done AI can make impartial decisions that are for the benefit of the company.
The true machinist has already been deleted. Now there is just human machane operators.
Just remanufactured thread locks for a 1910 Landis # 3 sewing machine. Using an Atlas shaper and Atlas lathe .
Ok very old school, but when the power goes out I can still get things done. Sorry to say but the weakness of AI is EMP
My question is. Will AI change my diaper when I’m in a nursing home or just grind me up into Soylent Green too feed the masses ??????😳
My job as a field machinist will not be replaced until having a job is obsolete. Sooner or later we will all be irrelevant to ai
Completely disagree with the entire assessment. CNC machining DID replace regular machinists and didn't just require them to learn a slightly different skillset. It's how 5 people can run 40 machines, that's at least 35 machinists having been replaced and considering the many axes of CNC machines, the speed etc it's probably more like a 4-5x of those 35.
And yes, ChatGPT is pretty bad at writing GCODE, it's also pretty bad at writing Python code and SVG code but the GPT family is basically just a tool to create an output with a correct syntax, there is no intent or targeted knowledge behind the responses. It literally just learned from reading examples. An AI specifically trained for CNC machining will easily outperform most machinists. Acting like somehow creative fixturing will be the saving grace is so absurd. Like an AI couldn't simulate a thousand ways to fixture something and all the stresses involved. It may even take into account real time pricing of materials, tools, power, demand etc. so it can choose a more tool-saving or a more material-efficient or the most time-efficient way to fixture or different toolspeeds. It will be able to learn from its own failures immediately and more importantly share those learning across multiple connected machine shops instantly.
That's not NOW but that is the future. Personally I am happy my actual job requires working with idiots because at least right now idiots and all their novel ways of being idiots are the only reason my job hasn't been automated and probably won't be automated for the foreseeable future.
What would Oppenheimer tell us? I am guessing he would tell us to stop.
Alright, I am now 20 secs in.
Before I continue, I'd like to say, that I absolutely LOVE the idea of AI.
What I don't love, is the current short-term profit oriented thinking.
Today, sadly a lot of CEOs think of new technologies as ever new ways to get rid of people to reduce the "cost" of working.
On the other hand, I believe new technologies - including AI - are always an opportunity to make work easier and safer for the workers involved.
To enable us to do more things in the same time frame, and even faster and better.
And, of course, to reduce outsourcing and get in-house knowledge again to maintain and more efficiently use said technologies.
And concerning the current state of the art:
Having the experts of today augment their processes with AI may actually be what enables the next breakthroughs towards a better world for every people of the world.
Better and more affordable tech for energy production and accumulation, water purification, reforestation, waste recycling, etc.
Having a neutral and completely open source AI replace governments may finally get rid of corruption and dispute.
Have the people define the world they want to live in, and the AI figure out the way to that goal.
One emp and there goes that. I’ve said it for years we have become to reliant on computers do work and it’s actually hurt our society because don’t use them for what they were created. Im happy having manual experience along with CNC. Another thing the more you replace boots on the floor you are taking money out of people’s pockets, and putting more into the bosses pockets. You want to honestly look at how to fix the world look at the big picture. We are all the same we are humans. It’s sad we can’t lay down our differences and coexist peacefully.
More like taking money out of people's pockets and putting more into vendors' pockets. That new equipment is expensive as hell, and you've got to replace it frequently to keep up. There's a reason Titan does so many New Machine Day videos.
We humans sure do like to destroy ourselves don’t we. We’ll see how this goes though
Don`t forget to give your machine some flowers on the AI day. Older CNC machines are moody enough geez.
Is a Pandora's Box
I’m a machinist and I’m learning to program Ai
Feed GPT4 all your training materials. More you teach it, more capable it comes.
I'm mot afraid of AI in general, and especially not in case of Open AI. Open AI (as it is) makes us aware of what is possible. Or AI integrated in engineering and production etc (especializad tool AI). The technology is there and it will evolve and there is an amazing potential in this.
I'm afraid of AI developed behind closed doors for surveillance, manipulation etc.
AI is only as good as the hearts and minds of those who are developing this new technology.
Since we all know that AI is being developed to make money, to increase one's influence and power in the world, we can rightly assume that AI is generally being developed by those who's greed and lust for power are a dominant factor over any kind of morality or just cause.
The only reason they want a halt is because they haven't figured out how to make money from it yet. Cynical? Who? Me?
they want in on it, I'm sure they already know how to make money with it but many want to invest in it.
Why is regulation of ai your concern? Are your machines regulated? Can you mill anything harmful. Or does your machine regulate what you can machine?
What's CNC Software doing about AI?
Can't wait for AI to iterate it self and upgrade, so it can upgrade it self to use CNC machine so it can built it self a body.
I hate the term AI. What it really is, is Machine Learning, ML. I consulted for a company which designs and builds automated production for the car industry. The use of big-data is enormous. PLC's, Programmable Logic Controllers are used to collect data from all over the system which goes into enormous data sets. At the end of the day CNC is just numbers, it's in the name, which creates a physical product. Companies such as Heller and Siemens have had R&D into doing this for several years. ML systems for CNC will come.
AI will never take over, it always needs a REAL HUMAN to setup and maintain running..
I mean honestly most people are going to be afraid of any change in general hell my wife hates trying new foods. But without “changes” and without innovation we literally go nowhere as a species. And that just sounds depressing. Besides there’s always going to be a problem to solve and a “Thing” to build and who better suited for a job of that description then a machinist. Just saying