@@TheZenytram battle royale just means free for all in a map that progressively shrinks until a winner is found, it’s just that the most popular battle royale, i.e. pubg, fortnite, warzone, uses guns
@@dacheesebroker1105 Its BDO , its not some Japanese only no-one-knowing mmorpg. Nevertheless if you are a youtuber who creating videos for "TOP MMORPGS" and "Bad mmorpgs" there is not a damn chance you miss BDO
@@todorpiperkov4366 to be faiiiir, BDO has tarnished it's image IMMENSELY. with the auto-play, auto-battle, auto-quest mobile version's system, and the PTW aspect of both the mobile AND desktop versions, it's... not worth playing anymore.
@@jay-dh6zu Yeh man! I ran it on super low gfx for the free trial but my PC does need upgrading, it would be nice to utilise BDO's gfx to the full tho. I should've said 'to get the most out of it' at the end! :)
@@DavetheNord yeah ur right its definitely better with a good graphics card since the game looks insane, i misunderstood thinking u mean it only runs on high end pcs
At first I thought this was a squeaker kid making an incoherent comment that would end up on r/youngpeopleyoutube And then I got to the lore part and was like "Huh! Now I understand why"
The sad part about this is that Shadow Arena was a game mode in Back Desert Online. You would select it and then you were tossed in to the arena as black smoke balls ant had to find a class in the field. It was fun.
@@grenzviel4480 it's not that pay to win anymore, they give so many things that used to be cash shop only for free nowadays. And when it comes to being grindy, that is true, but not necessarily a bad thing, some people like a game that will fully allow them to get immersed by having to spend a lot of time on it. If you don't like that part about the game it's OK, it's just not for you.
@@Lyralye23 If a game used to be pay to win, and it starts giving away free stuff, chances are, the free stuff isn't any good. That or they'll psychologically manipulate you into thinking that you 'need' to keep coming back, in a form of dailies and shit. Devs introduce P2W because of 1 reason, money. And if they're throwing away money by releasing free stuff, trust me, they're getting their money back some other way. That's just the nature of it.
@@grenzviel4480 they make their money because whales will always exist. But what I am saying is that it's very easy to be a free to play player in BDO nowadays. I started a new account 5 months ago, which I've been playing since as 100% F2P, and I've been having a really good experience with the game, progressing really well.
"If this combat system was in a fully fledged MMO" The answer is BDO. Almost all the characters you can choose in Shadow Arena, are actual classes in BDo (which is an MMO). Igrid is the Guardian class for ex. Shadow Arena was part of BDO if I remember correctly, but it was separated into a whole new game. They transferred the characters, lore, the locations. In BDO Shadow arena had a story, lore, it was a pocket dimension certain characters were trapped in.
The thing about the first line of Igrid's Lore, is that it actually does make sense. It's implying that 'Igrid' is what she refers to herself as, but probably isn't her actual name; likely this name is that of the cursed warrior mentioned later on in the same paragraph, and one she has claimed for herself. While it seems strange at first, the context of the rest of her Lore does make it correct. That Ruler who ruled though, that was awful.
I think the only real issue with the "A woman calling herself 'Igrid'" bit is that most of the other text blurbs appeared to be done in objective descriptive style, and then hers suddenly switched to being written in third-person narrative style instead, for no apparent reason. It's a little jarring/amateurish to those who do notice such writing inconsistencies..
IGRID IS A FUCKING BEAST. Been watching your series for the past few weeks and this is the first one that made me go on my pc and comment lol. I was not expecting that ending
I’m late but this game mode was literally ripped out of BDO due to a widespread hacker issue. It was absolutely amazing and fun to play but BDO decided to stupidly rip it out and make it a pure standalone game for obvious greedy reasons along side the hacker issue.
First off, I don't see much hate, most people just find it kind of amusing and/or are asking him to make a video about BDO. The name of the series combined with the fact that he ignored the actual MMO and went straight to the derivative battle royale is kind of a letdown. Because he was obviously unaware of the circumstances about this game's relation to BDO at the time, it would be alright if he made a second video about the actual.. you know, MMO. But it's been about a year now and he has just completely ghosted BDO. Maybe some people want his opinion on it. Maybe some just want the publicity of a popular youtuber making a video on their favorite game. Either way, it's not unusual for people to ask a youtuber to make a video about something.
Listen, the Order of Apricots may not sound threatening, but I'm allergic to apricots, so my sorry ass is quivering at the thought of the stomach cramps they'll be giving me.
Igrid *IS* BDO's Guardian class, and they're basically a hyper-aggressive, hard hitting tank, basically think of them as what FFXIV's Warrior class would be like if it had the same combat as BDO. Also, you'll mock Alan as a name for a sorcerer, but not Dumbledore? I know he's a well known fictional wizard, but that name is just goofy sounding.
Ahh yes the bastard child of Black Desert Online which the devs had to off-shoot into it's own game because they couldn't stop cheaters from flooding the BDO economy with Shadow Arena winnings.
So to give you some context on this dumpster fire of a game. Shadow Arena was a battle royal mode that was apart of a larger game called Black Desert Online. Players loved this mode as it was considered the best pvp experience in the game. It was some of the only enjoyable group pvp and considered the most balanced. It was removed because Pearl Abyss could not figure out how to stop hackers from taking advantage of it. They removed it [much to the lament of the player base] and remade as a stand alone for console and pc. Combat was changed drastically and skills trimmed down. The original combat, at least according to it's players and myself is the best combat system in the mmo scene. It plays more like tekken with a bit of street fighter mixed in. No one that plays Black Desert Online actually likes the new version and PA has, for several months been trying to get streamers to play it, most of the time they are playing against bots it's so empty. The lore seems so bad because it's twice removed from the source. Since they did shadow arena as a stand alone, the lore itself has been rewritten twice in Serendia and Mediah and a new antagonist has been introduced. It also seems like bullshit because allot of the back story behind these characters are missing. These characters are actually very important to the story in Black Desert Online. Orwen is a half elf who's father was one of the first wizards [Wizards are basically. . space magicians. They come from other dimensions.] He was also the creature of Caphra Stones which is a powerful source of power in the game. He's also an evil bastard and fled to the land of the Ahib which are basically this game's dark elves. The reason why Orwen grew up alone is because half elves are shunned by elves. Elves worship a goddess known as Kamasylvia which is a giant tree. Kamasylvia is dying and so Orwen was meant to be sacrificed to the great tree to give it life. Now why this matters is because Shadow Arena is actually a place in the lore of BDO. Shadow Arena is where captured souls go to prove their worth. The reason Shadow Arena exists is because the Ahib have been fighting a great evil in their land, an evil that resides beneath the Kamasylvia Tree. Turns out the Kamasylvian tree is a beacon for Heedun, basically a space wizard that has conquered multiple dimensions. The ahib believe the best way to defend against this threat is to enslave souls, send them to the shadow arena and the winners go on to Heedun's realm to fight against that great threat. They explain none of that in the stand alone because they expect you to be a fan of BDO.
As an avid BDO player it was really interesting watching you play shadow arena. The version inside BDO was great, the standalone is ok but not as much fun as the original. Also there are hardly any players and (sorry to burst the bubble) but most of those "players" are just bots :(.
I play Black Desert Online currently. There have been a lot of major changes. If the comments on this video convinced you stay away from the actual mmo version, take another fresh look.
I can’t help but think Josh is being highly sarcastic, playing this while “pretending” to be completely unaware that this is Black Desert Battle Royale
My first thought was 'this literally looks like Pearl Abyss took the BDO engine and reskinned it into a battle royale game' which, honestly, doesn't sound too bad on the surface... but I'm sure there's some awful p2w mechanics in there somewhere
Guess you never played Black Desert Online, which this game is Battle Royale mode of. BDO is an actual MMORPG, and arguably a really good one with quite possible the best combat in any MMORPG. But you gotta keep in mind that it is a Korean game so there is a lot of grinding involved, but then again every MMORPG has some sort of a grind. As someone who has been playing BDO for years i recommend it, just gotta keep in mind that the game has a potential pitfall of spending a lot of money on its cash shop if you are not patient, but if you are you can earn everything in the game by just playing
In all honesty. I just had to say that even tho you wrote this a year ago. I actually don't mind grinding at all. Idk if it's just me or if everyone else is just lying to themselves. Like I play genshin rn. And I actually pull charakters (f2p) cause after grinding to level them up you factually want something new to level up and make stronger🤣. What people need to get is that no game on earth would survive with a solid playerbase for years without some kind of grind. No story on EARTH could get you so much into something that you play it on a daylie for multiple years. It's hard to accept yourself in a negative way. But that's only because grinding is viewed as a negative thing. In rrality it really isn't tho. It keeps most mmos alive actually. I also hate when people say "they only want your money" in gotchas or mmos. F yeah obviously. But then again I wouldn't even mind spending 50$ a year. Cause at the end of the day if I have 100 times the amount of time in a "free" game then I have in for example a horizon zero dawn or god of war or any other 60$ original price game. Then at some point it's actually not a respect thing but definetly not a kill to put 50$ a year in. I know people spend way more. But if you look at the cost of cinema tickets or tripple A games with campaign that has like 30 hours of playing time. Then all of a sudden you really shouldn't feel tricked if you put 50$ a year into something that entertains you for 1 or 2 hours a day for a whole year if that makes sense. And this is nothing against tripple A games obviously. People play games to calm down. That's why everyone is saying that they hate grinding. But they don't actually do. Cause sometimed it's just more relaxing listening to a youtube video and grind stuff then actually following a story if that makes sense. Of course sometimes you want to be entertained in a better way by what you play. But if you talk completly calming down. Then grinding isn't as bad as it's rep is if that makes sense.. So the people that ask "you did put 10$ into a free to play game, are you dumb?". They are actually not truly thinkin logically. Cause the honest answer should be. "Yeah it's free to play but I played it for 400+ hours this year...they updated it several times this year with completly new regions and minigames for absolutely free (genshins new locations for example have nothing to do with gotcha system, new story part new region for free again and again and again) updates ubisoft would take 15$ for per update. what are 10$ for that?"
I was watching this thinking...man this game looks really familiar....then after about 5 minutes i realised a lot of the assets in this game are from Black Desert Online....I imagine (after i realised that it was the same Devs/Publisher for BDO that made this) this was supposed to be a Battle Royale Game mode for BDO that they sliced off and just turned into its own game
Originally Shadow Arena was a game mode inside BDO, was pretty fun and rewarding, allowed people to finally do PVP stuff and be rewarded for it But then they decided to make it a standalone
I try to, but most of my time is taken up with making these videos. I do have old school runescape running often doing something less click intensive though.
Yeah lol the reason the description is like that is because it was a mode in Black Desert Online that was popular enough to get its own game. Lol. So the description basically is designed with those people in mind. Dumb, but that's how it is.
So this is what Pearl Abyss has been up to instead of fixing Black Desert.. I'm sure he knows by now, but this game is basically an asset grab from BDO with a few tweeks. It's quite fun, but the enchanting and gearing system rely too heavily on rng and is about as fun as chewing glass. Also, Guardian (Igrid) is monstrous and i love playing that class!
so my first exact impression when you got into the tutorial was "this looks alot like black desert, wait hold on i swear ive seen this spot IN black desert" and that is kinda what i took away from this, BDO but battle royale
you do realize SHadow Arena is just a game mode from Black Desert Online (a REAL MMORPG) that the devs decided to remove and make a stand-alone client for. You Should try BDO if you liked Shadow Arena's combat system!t
I just hope josh does a BDO review. It's tad impossible that he wouldn't know about BDO nowadays specially after that LoML ad push and content creators pushing it as well.
Tags on Steam are user-generated, not developer-generated. As an example, Atelier Ryza 2 has the "Hentai" tag, yet I highly doubt either Gust or TecmoKoei would've put that tag there, as there is nothing that remotely justify that tag in that game. The newest Bubsy game, Bubsy: The Woolies Strike Back also has the "Psychological Horror" tag, and the only horror-adjacent thing that game has is how bad it is.
Honestly, the devs should use Shadow Arena as a test bed for their projects, then spin the most successful sub-systems off into their own games. The giant bird-golem and stompy-golem? Could build a great game out of just piloting magical golem-mechs around and kicking the mana out of each other.
Wait wait wait, YOU compare shadow arena with Dark souls and then say "when you compare yourself to another game" like it was you that compared the game to dark souls????
As noted, this is the offshoot of BDO. And yes, Guardians in BDO (Igrid) are fun as hell to run! Even the starter chains (with the Stone Cold Stunner setup gut kick) are cool looking.
I never played the stand alone Shadow Arena client, but I played it extensively when it was still integrated into Black Desert Online. The month Shadow Arena first launched as a Red Battlefield alternative in Black Desert Online was one of the most hype MMO events I've ever experienced, and I've been daily MMO grinding since 1999 in UO. It was insanely populated, matches filled instantly, and it gave obscene amounts of loot. It was an excellent game mode to be inside a fully fledged MMORPG, this was meant to be more like WoW EBGs than a stand alone game. They ultimately decided to split the game mode off to a separate client for some logistical reason or another, and by that time I had been on break from BDO for some time and haven't picked it up seriously again enough to install their separate PVP arena client.
I was so disappointed trying it last week only to discover it isn't actually the same combat as BDO. I ADORE the tamer combat system, so seeing Heilang as a heal-dog broke my heart. Every time I pick BDO back up, however, I get reminded that I'm stuck grinding for a million mobs and just drop it again.
I have played BDO for a short time, but I've never heard of Shadow Arena. But a lot of the landscapes in the video reminded me of Black Desert and near the end it was clearly the path leading to the starting village. I'm surprised I still had such a clear picture of it in my mind, because I didn't play the game very long and haven't touched it in years.
As someone who played too much BDO back when it launched, and who was only barely aware of the existence of a battle royale spinoff (that I had long forgotten), I was only half paying attention to the visuals while listening and had no clue what to expect until you loaded in, at which point I INSTANTLY recognized not only what you were playing but also EXACTLY where they put you in the game world. So many memories from that little arena next to Heidel, man.
This man opens each video in this series by saying he has played countless MMOs. But did he just completely implode his MMORPG gamer "cred" by revealing his ignorance of Black Desert Online? 😅
This is the first time I've seen Black Desert combat without lag, especially in PvP. Wish I lived in Europe. A single server in that country is FAR better than in the United States, where most are on the west coast and screw over half the entire continent. There's almost no ping difference between a west coast US server and an EU server from where I am; that's how bad it is.
@@kareemwilliams3204 ..you know America is a gigantic country, right? You know latency HEAVILY varies on the location of your residence, right? I don't understand why people respond to things they're uneducated in.
Him: "This would be great if it was a story and had character development" Me: " Lemme tell you somethin lemme tell you somethin!!" *Runs to comments to tell him Black desert is an MMO i've never seen the battle royal version*
No way you made a list of mmos and put bdo in it then not realize this is battle Royal bdo. So you either lied on that list or you are kinda dense Josh.
Hey, can I recommend to you an MMO that I loved since I was a teenager? It's called Vindictus, a south Korean-based MMO with a pretty decent story that I enjoyed. I'll admit that admittedly does have some of the things I know you'll hate (mostly the enhancement system at +8 levels) and the "classes" are character-based and sorta gender-locked, but I think it has a really good fighting system. It's not open world, but it uses instance-based maps for missions and bosses. And I'd be happy to play it with you and help, but the early missions are fairly easy. I soloed the game up until Lv70-something so I doubt you'd need the help, but I just think you might like it.
I wouldn't call Vindictus an MMO. It's an instanced dungeon crawler. And it could be fun if it wasn't so horribly optimzied it lags even on a decent PC from today...
~10:00 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAH YES YESYESYESYESYES!!!!! THIS!! I need a new keyboard and mouse and monitor as I broke them clicking hard like on that. Someone who says it right!! At last! It's about narrative! Story! Building your own character!!!! It's not stats points for the mere sake of stat points! It is for the sake of building a character! SOMEONE!
Same, but it destroyed the economy and holy crap there were a lot of cheaters in there. I really wish they'd have kept it in BDO and removed a lot of silver incentives because I see Shadow Arena stand alone dying pretty fast despite being fun. I see most of the playerbase being people who already play and like BDO and want to play Shadow Arena again; but the problem is nobody who plays BDO is going to want to spend $40 AGAIN just to play the class they're already playing in BDO with the outfit they already bought in BDO.
Dude wtf this is a rip off from black desert online. The UI, CITY , COMBAT ...exactly the same.....WHAT LAHN, IGRID....the fuck they stole the models from BDO!.....even the goddamn icon for armor...seriously is this still legal?
Top 10 anime plot twists... "MMO veteran who doesn't like Battle Royale games looks for terrible MMOs, finds battle royale game, actually likes it"
it is not shooting br
@@TheZenytram more like its about combat and not aggressively building lego houses at each other
@@TheZenytram battle royale just means free for all in a map that progressively shrinks until a winner is found, it’s just that the most popular battle royale, i.e. pubg, fortnite, warzone, uses guns
And doesn't know it's actually derived from an mmo
Fast forward to 2022 and in his first video of the year we see he's downloaded Naraka Bladepoint (essentially a much better version of this game)
you should do a video about how you played teh black desert spin off game without knowing what black desert was.. lol
Was fun to watch you playing Shadow Arena not knowing the existence of Black Desert. XD
I literally watched this thinking "this is BDO without combo system"
Is a MMORPG youtuber, never played one of the biggest MMOs of the decade. I cringed so hard watching this.
@@luizeduardo1375 Yeah imagine not playing every single MMO, smh what a poser.
@@dacheesebroker1105 Its BDO , its not some Japanese only no-one-knowing mmorpg. Nevertheless if you are a youtuber who creating videos for "TOP MMORPGS" and "Bad mmorpgs" there is not a damn chance you miss BDO
@@todorpiperkov4366 to be faiiiir, BDO has tarnished it's image IMMENSELY. with the auto-play, auto-battle, auto-quest mobile version's system, and the PTW aspect of both the mobile AND desktop versions, it's... not worth playing anymore.
i like the contrast between "i play these games so you dont have to" followed by "i had to endure this, so you do too"
"if this combat system was in a fully fledged mmo it would be great" okay hes fucking with us theres no way he doesnt know
It IS old bean. Black Desert Online is a quality MMO though you'll need a good gfx card.
@@DavetheNord i dont think you understood what was said.
@@DavetheNord he said that too, also you really don't need a good gfx card, can run on 60 on low fps with integrated graphics lol
@@jay-dh6zu Yeh man! I ran it on super low gfx for the free trial but my PC does need upgrading, it would be nice to utilise BDO's gfx to the full tho. I should've said 'to get the most out of it' at the end! :)
@@DavetheNord yeah ur right its definitely better with a good graphics card since the game looks insane, i misunderstood thinking u mean it only runs on high end pcs
Me: Has no friends
Me: Also bad at archery
Me: Huh! Now I understand why
At first I thought this was a squeaker kid making an incoherent comment that would end up on r/youngpeopleyoutube
And then I got to the lore part and was like "Huh! Now I understand why"
@@fitzchivalry728 and I’m going “Huh! Still don’t get it”
rofl "But it's not Igrid's Way, so I just charge in and don't care."
Igrid / 10 may be the best rating u have ever given a game
Guardian/Igrid is best waifu anyway
@@theEisbergmann therapy is pretty expensive
@@grilledleeks6514 look at em thighs and tell me you wouldn't wanna becrushed by em!
@@grilledleeks6514 but Igrid... is free-ish? With that playstyle I'd bet she is as expensive as therapy, if not more
And yet again "tall barbarian woman with stunlock" saves an entire game
The sad part about this is that Shadow Arena was a game mode in Back Desert Online. You would select it and then you were tossed in to the arena as black smoke balls ant had to find a class in the field. It was fun.
7:46 "If this combat system was in a fully fledged MMO, I'd have no complaints"
It's called Black Desert Online.
yea but it sucks. It's a second job and massively pay to win
@@grenzviel4480 it's not that pay to win anymore, they give so many things that used to be cash shop only for free nowadays.
And when it comes to being grindy, that is true, but not necessarily a bad thing, some people like a game that will fully allow them to get immersed by having to spend a lot of time on it.
If you don't like that part about the game it's OK, it's just not for you.
@@Lyralye23 If a game used to be pay to win, and it starts giving away free stuff, chances are, the free stuff isn't any good. That or they'll psychologically manipulate you into thinking that you 'need' to keep coming back, in a form of dailies and shit. Devs introduce P2W because of 1 reason, money. And if they're throwing away money by releasing free stuff, trust me, they're getting their money back some other way. That's just the nature of it.
@@grenzviel4480 they make their money because whales will always exist.
But what I am saying is that it's very easy to be a free to play player in BDO nowadays.
I started a new account 5 months ago, which I've been playing since as 100% F2P, and I've been having a really good experience with the game, progressing really well.
@@grenzviel4480 Many games have this "dailies" mechanic, including The Elder Scrolls Online and War Thunder.
I have to say I was on the edge of my seat with that Igrid match
Arousal and terror is such an awkward yet intriguing mix of emotions concocted while playing a game.
@L M I am pretty sure most people know that porn games aren't real sex.
@L M It's so clearly a joke, lmao. Chill.
Terroroused
@@badrequest5596 basically gaining boner while being chased by armed lady when described in a single word
Scaroused
You know you are out of good games to try when your watching a worst ever mmo series while considering to play a few of them haha.
lmao i was seriously considering playing tale of toast lol
i was about to play this game then i looked at the player charts
"14 players 24 hour peak"
"If this combat system was in a fully fledged MMO" The answer is BDO. Almost all the characters you can choose in Shadow Arena, are actual classes in BDo (which is an MMO). Igrid is the Guardian class for ex. Shadow Arena was part of BDO if I remember correctly, but it was separated into a whole new game. They transferred the characters, lore, the locations.
In BDO Shadow arena had a story, lore, it was a pocket dimension certain characters were trapped in.
Except, the combat in Shadow Arena is slightly different and not pay to win...
Yeah but BDO is shit so there is that
@@iasbi8512 BDO is no longer pay to win, either. Thanks for knowing what you're talking about.
@@chadrickesp6063 Pay to Win is subjective. I agree to disagree that it isn't pay to win "any longer".
@@iasbi8512 Indeed. Not any longer it isn't.
The thing about the first line of Igrid's Lore, is that it actually does make sense. It's implying that 'Igrid' is what she refers to herself as, but probably isn't her actual name; likely this name is that of the cursed warrior mentioned later on in the same paragraph, and one she has claimed for herself.
While it seems strange at first, the context of the rest of her Lore does make it correct.
That Ruler who ruled though, that was awful.
The whole "she calls herself Igrid" thing makes sense to me. It's the name she goes by, even if it isn't the name she was born with.
Maybe "the ruler who ruled" references those who are rulers in name only.
I think the only real issue with the "A woman calling herself 'Igrid'" bit is that most of the other text blurbs appeared to be done in objective descriptive style, and then hers suddenly switched to being written in third-person narrative style instead, for no apparent reason. It's a little jarring/amateurish to those who do notice such writing inconsistencies..
@Dan No, he was clearly a measuring stick who had amassed followers.
@@leow637 This is what I thought as well. Thanks for articulating it so well xD
"Igrid is a MACHINE" yeah that about also sums up the actual Guardian class in BDO
They really did go and make newer classes play themselves lol
IGRID IS A FUCKING BEAST. Been watching your series for the past few weeks and this is the first one that made me go on my pc and comment lol. I was not expecting that ending
Igrid was obviously going to be the best, we know asian characters are usually ranked by bust size.
“Wow, that guy’s popular. He must be amazing at archery” This is why I keep coming back to this series
Shiro emia would like to knkw your location
@@nicktheninja3166 Literally my first thought too... xD
"King of the Hill mode next which is basically-" a man on a hill shouts at you about propane
And propane accessories.
Finally. A game for people like me.
I dont understand all the hate in the comments. You clearly said multiple times this a battle Royale and so what if its spin off BDO? This isn't BDO.
lots of people comment before watching the video, probably don't even know the youtuber
I’m late but this game mode was literally ripped out of BDO due to a widespread hacker issue. It was absolutely amazing and fun to play but BDO decided to stupidly rip it out and make it a pure standalone game for obvious greedy reasons along side the hacker issue.
@@DemMyHouser I thought it was! I used to play BDO and recall seeing Shadow Arena in the menus.
First off, I don't see much hate, most people just find it kind of amusing and/or are asking him to make a video about BDO.
The name of the series combined with the fact that he ignored the actual MMO and went straight to the derivative battle royale is kind of a letdown. Because he was obviously unaware of the circumstances about this game's relation to BDO at the time, it would be alright if he made a second video about the actual.. you know, MMO. But it's been about a year now and he has just completely ghosted BDO. Maybe some people want his opinion on it. Maybe some just want the publicity of a popular youtuber making a video on their favorite game.
Either way, it's not unusual for people to ask a youtuber to make a video about something.
"If this combat system was in a full mmo I'd have no complaints" well, it is... And even better, its called black desert online
BDO is garbage
LOL
@@Rizzbulla It is garbage but you can't deny it has one the best combats of all mmos
@@Kobugo You're right, i think the only one that it's better than BDO is Blade & Soul, too bad that both games have garbage devs and publishers.
@@CrisHermetica BDO WILL start being self published by pearl abyss starting next month
Listen, the Order of Apricots may not sound threatening, but I'm allergic to apricots, so my sorry ass is quivering at the thought of the stomach cramps they'll be giving me.
This is BDO Battle Royal I remember this.
😳 wow
"Now I can get started!"
Last words of Igrid, who calls herself Igrid. -2020
I think I just fell in love with Igrid...
Does he know that this game comes from an actual mmorpg called Black Desert Online?
BDOBR
XD
he's pretty bad with google, and everything else he does, mostly.
@@ClaudelGFX good at getting comments though.
@@JoshStrifeHayes With a delay of about 4 weeks.
@@trocer2235 sorry, i was busy
Igrid *IS* BDO's Guardian class, and they're basically a hyper-aggressive, hard hitting tank, basically think of them as what FFXIV's Warrior class would be like if it had the same combat as BDO.
Also, you'll mock Alan as a name for a sorcerer, but not Dumbledore? I know he's a well known fictional wizard, but that name is just goofy sounding.
Ahh yes the bastard child of Black Desert Online which the devs had to off-shoot into it's own game because they couldn't stop cheaters from flooding the BDO economy with Shadow Arena winnings.
Servers are shut down now, so I'm glad you at least got to document this game. Looked like it could have been pretty fun.
Watching someone review this game, compare it to others, and not mention black desert is really disconcerting
Not a proper youtuber after all
He always talks about how he plays all the MMOs..... but yet has no idea of Black Desert.
@@zBones762 he only says he played the best MMOs, not all of them
@@zBones762 But he does know. He added it to his top MMO list video he released like 2 months before this. lol.
He could of treated this as a stand alone game, which is what it is, doesn't need to mention BDO
"Exciting, brutal, somewhat sexy" -- I know you are, but what am I?
So to give you some context on this dumpster fire of a game. Shadow Arena was a battle royal mode that was apart of a larger game called Black Desert Online. Players loved this mode as it was considered the best pvp experience in the game. It was some of the only enjoyable group pvp and considered the most balanced. It was removed because Pearl Abyss could not figure out how to stop hackers from taking advantage of it. They removed it [much to the lament of the player base] and remade as a stand alone for console and pc. Combat was changed drastically and skills trimmed down. The original combat, at least according to it's players and myself is the best combat system in the mmo scene. It plays more like tekken with a bit of street fighter mixed in.
No one that plays Black Desert Online actually likes the new version and PA has, for several months been trying to get streamers to play it, most of the time they are playing against bots it's so empty.
The lore seems so bad because it's twice removed from the source. Since they did shadow arena as a stand alone, the lore itself has been rewritten twice in Serendia and Mediah and a new antagonist has been introduced. It also seems like bullshit because allot of the back story behind these characters are missing. These characters are actually very important to the story in Black Desert Online. Orwen is a half elf who's father was one of the first wizards [Wizards are basically. . space magicians. They come from other dimensions.] He was also the creature of Caphra Stones which is a powerful source of power in the game. He's also an evil bastard and fled to the land of the Ahib which are basically this game's dark elves. The reason why Orwen grew up alone is because half elves are shunned by elves. Elves worship a goddess known as Kamasylvia which is a giant tree. Kamasylvia is dying and so Orwen was meant to be sacrificed to the great tree to give it life.
Now why this matters is because Shadow Arena is actually a place in the lore of BDO. Shadow Arena is where captured souls go to prove their worth. The reason Shadow Arena exists is because the Ahib have been fighting a great evil in their land, an evil that resides beneath the Kamasylvia Tree. Turns out the Kamasylvian tree is a beacon for Heedun, basically a space wizard that has conquered multiple dimensions. The ahib believe the best way to defend against this threat is to enslave souls, send them to the shadow arena and the winners go on to Heedun's realm to fight against that great threat.
They explain none of that in the stand alone because they expect you to be a fan of BDO.
As an avid BDO player it was really interesting watching you play shadow arena. The version inside BDO was great, the standalone is ok but not as much fun as the original. Also there are hardly any players and (sorry to burst the bubble) but most of those "players" are just bots :(.
I play Black Desert Online currently. There have been a lot of major changes. If the comments on this video convinced you stay away from the actual mmo version, take another fresh look.
Black Desert Online is the full mmo. This is a battle royal spin-off using the same engine.
That explains this game being oddly good ^^
THat was awesome! I'm glad that you and Igrid won.
I can’t help but think Josh is being highly sarcastic, playing this while “pretending” to be completely unaware that this is Black Desert Battle Royale
"If this combat system was in a fully fledged mmo I'd have no complaints"
WHY DONT YOU KNOW WHAT BLACK DESERT IS
It's hilarious watching everyone mald out about this being from BDO. Amazing trolling in the review sidestepping any possible reference to BDO
Imagine my confusion when I accidentally glanced at my second monitor and seen Josh playing Black Desert... While it also wasn't Black Desert
this video made me go and start downloading the game.
Igrid is a glorious, amazing victory machine.
Its official, Igrid is the waifu of this chanel. Long live Igrid!
When he said "I am both aroused and terrified..." I just laughed so hard I spilled my coffee.
scaroused
Josh went from calling her "Giant boob lady" to "Ma'am" and I love that
This was great when it was just an event in BDO, it doesn't really hold up so well as a standalone game.
My first thought was 'this literally looks like Pearl Abyss took the BDO engine and reskinned it into a battle royale game' which, honestly, doesn't sound too bad on the surface... but I'm sure there's some awful p2w mechanics in there somewhere
Bdo is not pay to win at all anymore lol. Making 400m an hour hunting with the p2w tent and all free pets
I dobt think people really know what pay to win means anymore
Me clicking on this: "Shadow arena isn't an mmo, is it?"
Josh Hayes: "Shadow arena is not an mmo."
Me: "Oh, well thank you."
It's not an MMO? So you're saying you can't Raid Shadow Arena?
Is. Is Igrid/10 a High mark? That sounds like a really high score in your system
I'm pretty sure it is. Hell, it got my blood pumping just watching him absolutely body everything around him
Guess you never played Black Desert Online, which this game is Battle Royale mode of. BDO is an actual MMORPG, and arguably a really good one with quite possible the best combat in any MMORPG. But you gotta keep in mind that it is a Korean game so there is a lot of grinding involved, but then again every MMORPG has some sort of a grind. As someone who has been playing BDO for years i recommend it, just gotta keep in mind that the game has a potential pitfall of spending a lot of money on its cash shop if you are not patient, but if you are you can earn everything in the game by just playing
In all honesty. I just had to say that even tho you wrote this a year ago. I actually don't mind grinding at all. Idk if it's just me or if everyone else is just lying to themselves. Like I play genshin rn. And I actually pull charakters (f2p) cause after grinding to level them up you factually want something new to level up and make stronger🤣. What people need to get is that no game on earth would survive with a solid playerbase for years without some kind of grind. No story on EARTH could get you so much into something that you play it on a daylie for multiple years. It's hard to accept yourself in a negative way. But that's only because grinding is viewed as a negative thing. In rrality it really isn't tho. It keeps most mmos alive actually. I also hate when people say "they only want your money" in gotchas or mmos. F yeah obviously. But then again I wouldn't even mind spending 50$ a year. Cause at the end of the day if I have 100 times the amount of time in a "free" game then I have in for example a horizon zero dawn or god of war or any other 60$ original price game. Then at some point it's actually not a respect thing but definetly not a kill to put 50$ a year in. I know people spend way more. But if you look at the cost of cinema tickets or tripple A games with campaign that has like 30 hours of playing time. Then all of a sudden you really shouldn't feel tricked if you put 50$ a year into something that entertains you for 1 or 2 hours a day for a whole year if that makes sense. And this is nothing against tripple A games obviously. People play games to calm down. That's why everyone is saying that they hate grinding. But they don't actually do. Cause sometimed it's just more relaxing listening to a youtube video and grind stuff then actually following a story if that makes sense. Of course sometimes you want to be entertained in a better way by what you play. But if you talk completly calming down. Then grinding isn't as bad as it's rep is if that makes sense..
So the people that ask "you did put 10$ into a free to play game, are you dumb?". They are actually not truly thinkin logically. Cause the honest answer should be. "Yeah it's free to play but I played it for 400+ hours this year...they updated it several times this year with completly new regions and minigames for absolutely free (genshins new locations for example have nothing to do with gotcha system, new story part new region for free again and again and again) updates ubisoft would take 15$ for per update. what are 10$ for that?"
I was watching this thinking...man this game looks really familiar....then after about 5 minutes i realised a lot of the assets in this game are from Black Desert Online....I imagine (after i realised that it was the same Devs/Publisher for BDO that made this) this was supposed to be a Battle Royale Game mode for BDO that they sliced off and just turned into its own game
Igrid out of 10, that's the highest rating I've seen so far!
Thank you for being honest the showcase of this game showed me even though it isn't a mmo it's what I wanted. I've been playing it since I watched. Ty
go look up black desert online please
"This video is in 1080!"
- UA-cam loads video at 720 anyway
/facepalm Get your act together, UA-cam.
Stop whining you big baby
@@1Ashram Insulting people who are joking around only makes you look bad.
@@skyesfury8511 The whining never ends with this one.
@@1Ashram Then you should stop whining.
So Pearl Abyss just copy-pasted their Black Desert project folder and turned it into a Battle Royale huh
Practically yes.
Originally Shadow Arena was a game mode inside BDO, was pretty fun and rewarding, allowed people to finally do PVP stuff and be rewarded for it
But then they decided to make it a standalone
"it basically is just flashier anime dark souls" sir, that is called Code Vein
Just wondering, do you still actually play mmo's consistently off-camera?
Brilliant video btw, as always!
I try to, but most of my time is taken up with making these videos. I do have old school runescape running often doing something less click intensive though.
Was there any moment while playing this that it rang any bells or did it being a spin off from BDO just not come to you?
Yeah lol the reason the description is like that is because it was a mode in Black Desert Online that was popular enough to get its own game. Lol. So the description basically is designed with those people in mind. Dumb, but that's how it is.
You know the greatest thing about Shadow Arena?
If it still existed, people would be fighting Drakania. Let's all thank the sun that didn't happen.
Honestly if you invested your skill points you wouldve shredded them even faster. Ingrid is insane.
So this is what Pearl Abyss has been up to instead of fixing Black Desert.. I'm sure he knows by now, but this game is basically an asset grab from BDO with a few tweeks. It's quite fun, but the enchanting and gearing system rely too heavily on rng and is about as fun as chewing glass.
Also, Guardian (Igrid) is monstrous and i love playing that class!
so my first exact impression when you got into the tutorial was "this looks alot like black desert, wait hold on i swear ive seen this spot IN black desert"
and that is kinda what i took away from this, BDO but battle royale
It is BDO. All the characters are somewhat important NPCs of the game.
from what i read in these comments: this was briefly in bdo but they desided to make it into own game because cheaters brought wins to actual bdo.
you do realize SHadow Arena is just a game mode from Black Desert Online (a REAL MMORPG) that the devs decided to remove and make a stand-alone client for. You Should try BDO if you liked Shadow Arena's combat system!t
This combat system is in BDO, as others have mentioned... I wouldn't necessarily call it a "fully fledged MMO" though.
I just hope josh does a BDO review. It's tad impossible that he wouldn't know about BDO nowadays specially after that LoML ad push and content creators pushing it as well.
Looks like Pearl Abyss is making a fun BR game! They should knock RPG off that description though.
Tags on Steam are user-generated, not developer-generated. As an example, Atelier Ryza 2 has the "Hentai" tag, yet I highly doubt either Gust or TecmoKoei would've put that tag there, as there is nothing that remotely justify that tag in that game. The newest Bubsy game, Bubsy: The Woolies Strike Back also has the "Psychological Horror" tag, and the only horror-adjacent thing that game has is how bad it is.
How did you not recognize Heidel in BDO in the first 10 seconds. Or the Black Spirit? Or the UI, or Buttons HAHA
Honestly, the devs should use Shadow Arena as a test bed for their projects, then spin the most successful sub-systems off into their own games. The giant bird-golem and stompy-golem? Could build a great game out of just piloting magical golem-mechs around and kicking the mana out of each other.
The fact you never talked about the fact that Shadow Arena is just a PvP only version of Black Desert Only triggered me so much xD
omg this is so hard to watch, he did not know about Black Desert and the things he said... xDD nice video
Wait wait wait, YOU compare shadow arena with Dark souls and then say "when you compare yourself to another game" like it was you that compared the game to dark souls????
As noted, this is the offshoot of BDO. And yes, Guardians in BDO (Igrid) are fun as hell to run! Even the starter chains (with the Stone Cold Stunner setup gut kick) are cool looking.
I'm sure you've realized by now, but user-defined tags on Steam are user-defined haha... Love the videos regardless!
2:08 You've summoned Justin Bieber
1:56 holy shit that looks *just* like me.
I do have come to bed eyes.. but that's not a bad thing. I'm also not a KPop singer :/
I never played the stand alone Shadow Arena client, but I played it extensively when it was still integrated into Black Desert Online. The month Shadow Arena first launched as a Red Battlefield alternative in Black Desert Online was one of the most hype MMO events I've ever experienced, and I've been daily MMO grinding since 1999 in UO. It was insanely populated, matches filled instantly, and it gave obscene amounts of loot. It was an excellent game mode to be inside a fully fledged MMORPG, this was meant to be more like WoW EBGs than a stand alone game. They ultimately decided to split the game mode off to a separate client for some logistical reason or another, and by that time I had been on break from BDO for some time and haven't picked it up seriously again enough to install their separate PVP arena client.
has he not played or heard of black desert?
I was so disappointed trying it last week only to discover it isn't actually the same combat as BDO. I ADORE the tamer combat system, so seeing Heilang as a heal-dog broke my heart. Every time I pick BDO back up, however, I get reminded that I'm stuck grinding for a million mobs and just drop it again.
I have played BDO for a short time, but I've never heard of Shadow Arena. But a lot of the landscapes in the video reminded me of Black Desert and near the end it was clearly the path leading to the starting village. I'm surprised I still had such a clear picture of it in my mind, because I didn't play the game very long and haven't touched it in years.
From today ill associate popular, sociable people with being good archers
As someone who played too much BDO back when it launched, and who was only barely aware of the existence of a battle royale spinoff (that I had long forgotten), I was only half paying attention to the visuals while listening and had no clue what to expect until you loaded in, at which point I INSTANTLY recognized not only what you were playing but also EXACTLY where they put you in the game world. So many memories from that little arena next to Heidel, man.
Honestly I don't understand why this exists. It's just a really,really bad version if BDO
I Nailed the final score at the Character backgrounds :D
This looks like black desert with LoL level/ gear progression and forynite slapped in.
Thanks I hate it
Would love to play a console version... BDO is on consoles, so this could work!
This man opens each video in this series by saying he has played countless MMOs. But did he just completely implode his MMORPG gamer "cred" by revealing his ignorance of Black Desert Online? 😅
This is the first time I've seen Black Desert combat without lag, especially in PvP.
Wish I lived in Europe. A single server in that country is FAR better than in the United States, where most are on the west coast and screw over half the entire continent. There's almost no ping difference between a west coast US server and an EU server from where I am; that's how bad it is.
I play black desert and also live in America it runs completely find for me maybe your WIFI isn't good
@@kareemwilliams3204 ..you know America is a gigantic country, right? You know latency HEAVILY varies on the location of your residence, right?
I don't understand why people respond to things they're uneducated in.
this looks like, and plays like black desert, what's the diff? aside from being a battle arena?
"... the great sorcerer Alan."
Yes and? Far more respectable chap than Tim the Enchanter.
At least Tim know what the burrows hide
See, they "call" her Igrid, but her real name is Josh Strife Hayes.
Him: "This would be great if it was a story and had character development"
Me: " Lemme tell you somethin lemme tell you somethin!!" *Runs to comments to tell him Black desert is an MMO i've never seen the battle royal version*
No way you made a list of mmos and put bdo in it then not realize this is battle Royal bdo. So you either lied on that list or you are kinda dense Josh.
I feel like the opportunity was missed to name this "Fort-Knight"
"Both aroused and terrified" that is peak sexy woman warrior design, then ?
Hey, can I recommend to you an MMO that I loved since I was a teenager? It's called Vindictus, a south Korean-based MMO with a pretty decent story that I enjoyed. I'll admit that admittedly does have some of the things I know you'll hate (mostly the enhancement system at +8 levels) and the "classes" are character-based and sorta gender-locked, but I think it has a really good fighting system. It's not open world, but it uses instance-based maps for missions and bosses.
And I'd be happy to play it with you and help, but the early missions are fairly easy. I soloed the game up until Lv70-something so I doubt you'd need the help, but I just think you might like it.
I wouldn't call Vindictus an MMO. It's an instanced dungeon crawler. And it could be fun if it wasn't so horribly optimzied it lags even on a decent PC from today...
Just got this in recommended, and it's funny how he says he's spent years playing MMO's (and making content on them) and yet has never heard of BDO
~10:00 YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAH YES YESYESYESYESYES!!!!! THIS!! I need a new keyboard and mouse and monitor as I broke them clicking hard like on that.
Someone who says it right!! At last! It's about narrative! Story! Building your own character!!!! It's not stats points for the mere sake of stat points! It is for the sake of building a character! SOMEONE!
People saying he dont know bdo, im more sad that nobody get the futurama reference
You know you HAVE to do a video on BDO now you cant sell yourself as a MMO player and completely let BDO fly over your head
igrid is so not a gentle lover
i miss shadow arena, it was so EZ to get cronstones, memes and money ...
Same, but it destroyed the economy and holy crap there were a lot of cheaters in there. I really wish they'd have kept it in BDO and removed a lot of silver incentives because I see Shadow Arena stand alone dying pretty fast despite being fun.
I see most of the playerbase being people who already play and like BDO and want to play Shadow Arena again; but the problem is nobody who plays BDO is going to want to spend $40 AGAIN just to play the class they're already playing in BDO with the outfit they already bought in BDO.
Dude wtf this is a rip off from black desert online. The UI, CITY , COMBAT ...exactly the same.....WHAT LAHN, IGRID....the fuck they stole the models from BDO!.....even the goddamn icon for armor...seriously is this still legal?
It's made by the same company.