Fun fact Nvidia has drivers for Linux on ARM but not for Windows on ARM. Not like the Windows drivers are old are bad, they just don't exists. It's all thanks to AI, Linux on ARM is hugh for AI development. Nvidia is already working on Linux, they just need a bit more motivation.
They have had good Linux drivers for ages. People don't like them because of them being proprietary. I still remember that Nvidia were the first ones to have glx drivers. Also, they have supported Linux and BSD for longer than others. The problem is that AMD drivers are stuck / pinned to the kernel. You get new support for new GPUs only via kernel / mesa updates. Sure, they are open source, but they are still not always the best method for GPUs.
@@slaapliedje This has not been true for quite a while. Nviidia's drivers are generally functional on linux systems which utilize X11 display servers, but as that technology is being replaced with Wayland by more and more distros, Nvidia's proprietary driver has continued to lag the AMDGPU driver in all but video encoding and CUDA support. Even the latest releases still struggle with key aspects of utilizing Wayland effectively on the desktop while the driver is still basically unusable in gamescope Wayland sessions. Its for this reason I went from being entirely Nvidia or Intel on linux starting around 2004 (The Radeon firegl driver was always horrible) to moving over nearly entirely to AMD around 2019 on all but ultra low powered devices like the N100. Until Nvidia either gets their proprietary driver to a competent state on Linux, supporting modern technologies, which are being adopted very quickly these days, or allows the community to do it for them (Open source large portions of their driver) my position that Nvidia is simply not an option will persist. God knows their pricing structure sure doesn't incentivize me to buy team green... but their absolute failure to support modern tech is a disgrace.
Nvidia has drivers on Linux too, they just don't use DRM. Nvidia also has drivers for IBM Power and Itanium etc on Windows. The problem isn't all Nvidia's fault. Its up to Linux to make a driver model and solution that doesn't require Nvidia hand over private code or keys. Linux doesn't own the rights to Nvidia tech so if they want Nvidia, they need to fix DRM so it doesn't require private software to operate.
@@zezba9000 there is "a driver model and solution" to use proprietary drivers in Linux without "hand over private code or keys" ... that is what Nvidia is doing right now ... and it would be OK if they make an effort and make Linux drivers on pair with Windows - but they don't - there are many features that came to Linux "late" or not at all. Making drivers open-source would help solve this problem because there are many knowledgeable people in the community who would make things work-essentially, they would do NVidia work for free. So it is Nvidia's fault because they have 2 options to do it right (stay proprietary, but fully support Linux, or go Open-source and let the community to solve issues they can't). The second "Nvidia's fault", that Nvidia should do is fix this licensing so any distro can include drivers - when I can legally download/install drivers for products I own to my OS, I don't understand the stupidity of the decision to prohibit OS from doing it for me.
If Nvidia and valve are willing to work together probably a future steam machine can have an Nvidia GPU, which would mean better Linux support. I hope so! More hardware! The better!
@@techm0j0 are you daily driving bazzite? how good is it as a general purpose desktop operating system to use with keyboard and mouse? btw "GTX 4060", checks out given how demanding RT is for anything but high end GPUs
@ I am only using Bazzite as a Steam Deck PC to play my steam games. I have gone into Desktop mode a couple times for updates and things of that nature, but not using it as a full blown Windows replacement, so can't comment on its use or functionality. I do have a wireless keyboard with trackball attached and that works fine for my purposes.
You did notice that Linux doesn't show once in this announcement - so no, they didn't "acknowledge that Linux exists". They specifically say this Gforce Now App will release for Steam Deck - they don't mention it being released for Linux at all.
That's just not true. They did not had wayland support for long time and their support is still majorly lacking now. Even for non-gaming scenarios. Even linux desktop usage is a pain compared to having cheaper AMD card. Linus told them to F themselves not because of gaming.
@@MrBladejs woosh. You agree with him, but he's pointing out how Nvidia's putting real effort, which they indeed are and I can attest to this, but pretty much only because of AI, the reason why I can attest to this (I did some AI facial recognition PoC for work). Graphics is a second-class citizen for them nowadays, and in the list of things Nvidia cares, Linux graphics is at the bottom of it. It's worth pointing out that AMD isn't really better. Their GPUs are technically inferior, they open-sourced their drivers because they couldn't afford not to anymore, and Valve still had to write its own driver.
@@tosemusername I disagree completely: 1. "You agree with him" - No, I disagree with him. While Nvidia isn't neglecting all linux usecases like AIs or server, they are neglecting Linux desktop, gaming or not related. That's my disagreement. It would be one thing if gaming is not really working but development and desktop experiences are good. That's not the case, if Linux is your preferred development environment then Nvidia will provide you with an inferior development experience as you will probably still have to struggle with their inferior drivers when it comes to regular desktop usage during development. 2. "AMD isn't really better" - Yes, AMD is better. Not only did they open source their drivers, they had to write them essentially from scratch and integrate them into the Linux kernel which involved passing the Linux review process, which improved their drivers compared to Windows versions. AMD also wasn't a company named by Linus to be specifically difficult to work with. 3. "Their GPUs are technically inferior" - while that is true, it's not by much. 1-2 generations, which will change a little now because of their focus shift. However, nvidia drivers are much more inferior then the AMD ones (lacking features such as implicit sync, which AMD does have since 2012, many generations ago). Generally AMD is a very good expierience on Linux and if you are a Linux user you have to just accept that you won't be on the bleeding edge of gaming performance. 4. "they open-sourced their drivers because they couldn't afford not to anymore" - I find it very weird how people focus on guessing the intentions. At the end of the day, I don't really care, why should anyone? Those are companies, they work for profit, not from the goodness of their hard. What I care about is that I have a fluid and stable desktop experience and good performance in games, while being able to use my OS of choice. Why that is is really of no concern to me. What matters is Nvidia neglects Linux desktop users while AMD does not. 5. "Valve still had to write its own driver" - That's just false. You've read something online and scrambled it into your point of view. You're probably talking about ACO - Valve made user-space shader compiler, integrated into mesa. It's true that it is more performant than LLVM used in mesa before and the one used in AMDVLK. But that is still using kernel-space AMD driver.
Good day, I switched to Linux about 2 months ago and I'm honestly delighted. There are no stupid programs that just eat up RAM and CPU for no reason and similar nonsense. The only things that stop Linux are Nvidia drivers and compatibility with Windows applications, if they also become standard for Linux, I think about 40% of Windows users would switch to Linux, maybe even 50%.
My next GPU is going to be an AMD. I am goign back to AMD where i should have stayed since i used AMD CPU's since the 286 days and GPU's since before they were AMD. IT was ATI. I am not putting up with that nvidia BS anymore. Their drivers are making gaming on linux a freaking nightmare to deal with. Huge amounts of time I am wasting. SO not gonna fire up slot 2 M2 that has whatever the latest failed try at a distro that just might take the nvidia drivers. Notwasting my time anymore. Since xmas i have tried : Twister os, Mint, Ubuntu, cachyos, manjaro, monkajaro, Pop os, RegataOs, Nobara. The only distro that allowed me to even play a game before they dropped support for my 1060 card was nobara. Since then ive bought another SSD and slapped it into slot 2. I tried all the ones above on that ssd using a 3060. None of them worked. Not after wine installed. Not after proton GE, Steam's proton. Special kernels. Probably all has to do with nvdia.
Didn't Nividia "open" their drivers a couple months ago? that also should be considered a step forward to the posibility of ditching windows to some of us who despise the way Microsoft make use of our hardware, spying, and wasting resources in unnecesary crap.
I am very new to Linux, since August 2024. I've used a few Linux Distros, Pop_Os!, Fedora, Unbuntu and they've all installed the NVIDIA drivers for me. I have also used more customized distributions that support NVIDIA drivers: EndeavorOS, NobaraOS, and my favorite that I am sticking with, CachyOS. I can game on Linux just fine. The main issue isn't NVIDIA any more. It's publications and devs that do not allow their anti-cheat to function on Linux. They WORK, but they actively block Linux systems from using them. GTA 5 worked until it didn't recently. There are games that do work and have anti-cheat: Marvel Rivals, HELLDIVERS 2, and The Finals, for example.
Well, I'm using CachyOS which is Arch based and there it's as simple as executing a single pacman command to install the latest fitting Nvidia drivers and it's been that way for quite a while I believe. But indeed, if the distro use are using doesn't offer them, you are screwed especially if it isn't mentioned on Nvidia's page. If it does feature Nvidia's closed drivers like Ubuntu but doesn't have recent versions which in turn are required for AI applications which are coming out in a fast pace, you also have to install the drivers manually. But if you do there's a high chance you will cause some kind of conflict in the packet management and that you may have to do a clean up and re-install the drivers again from scratch at some point. So despite there was an installation guide explicitly for Ubuntu, it got broken when I then updated Ubuntu later.
@@ZestyAsTech Yeah probably. Also you suggested that Valve might influence NVIDIA's behavior through financial means. However, Valve’s estimated worth of $6 to $8 billion is negligible compared to NVIDIA’s financial scale-it’s essentially a rounding error in their books. Over the years, it’s become evident that no financial investment Valve could offer would be significant enough to sway NVIDIA. If NVIDIA aligns with Valve’s mission, it’s likely for reasons other than financial incentives.
NVIDIA could put just a couple of their many thousands of millions of dollars into NVK (the NVIDIA Vulkan driver in Mesa), and it would make steam machines completely viable on NVIDIA. It's fair to mention that the drivers used by SteamOS on Radeon chips (RADV) are actually written by a team of third party developers, and originated outside of AMD. AMD and NVIDIA are in almost the same position now, with regard to drivers in Mesa. For Valve, they want to be able to work on the drivers, so NVIDIA's proprietary drivers are not viable for Valve to support. The more important steps in this direction over the past three years are: 1. releasing their GPU firmware under a license that allows it to be redistributed, and 2. Open sourcing the kernel driver that accompanies their proprietary driver. Number 1 solves the main reason open source NVIDIA drivers have stagnated: they couldn't upload the firmware into the cards, and so they couldn't reclock the cards. Number 2 is an opportunity to study and complete the upstream kernel drivers, despite the lack of documentation.
i use Linux Mint (21.3) and have (almost) no problems with my Nvidia gpu (i said „almost“, because rarely a wine-powered game doesnt switch resolution back when quitting)
Great video pacing, explained well. It's guess just the consumer side and desktop Linux, since many software companies and many vfx studios use NVIDIA with Linux - makes sense, since the money isn't in desktop Linux, why would they care more. Their new(ish) Open Kernel Modules are promising though.
It's all about money and interest. Project digits is a linux distro running nividia AI card. They just didn't see consumers buy nividia card and couple it with a linux distro. It didn't make sense. But with the success of steamOS and gaming on linux, they will probably support that one out of the bat with good drivers and everything. They need to see a value in their investment to improve the drivers and it's happening.
Gentoo user here (I also used arch in the past btw). The way it works on arch and gentoo is nvidia drivers are distributed as a package that downloads them from nvidia. I mean on gentoo you also need to accept the license and configure your useflags, and maybe reconfigure the kernel if you're running but that's the appeal of gentoo. It's not really a problem here. It's harder on something like debian or other pure foss distros (or pure foss adjecent like fedora). But again - that's their appeal. I axed nvidia from my system last year and I've been running a custom build of mesa with nvk for my gaming needs. It's honestly pretty good though the most recent game I played in 2024 is fallout london (mostly stable 60fps on 1650 ti, except for that one performance tanking grass field, per usual).
I always used linux with nvidia gpu. I think 7 years ago I had to download installer from Nvidia downloader and run with some args to get it when Desktop Environment was running. Now if you have at least GTX 1660 you have official nvidia open source kernel drivers. If you have older GPU or want proprietary driver you can just run drivers gui app wich is on most user friendly Linux distributions. And the last thing. If you use Gentoo you probably are more advanced Linux, so installing this drivers shouldn’t be a problem. If you running arch you just need to install package wich is described on arch wiki. So now installing nvidia is not something that hard.
Something important about the history is that when steam came to linux proprietary nvidia drivers were the only option for linux gaming. Nvidia historically had very good closed drivers but actively sabotaged the open source drivers. The good guy that supported open source drivers was intel. But intel had no good gpus. AMD had proprietary drivers that you needed for gaming but they sucked and they also did not support much the open source drivers so open source AMD drivers also sucked. But they did not sabotaged them like nvidia. So AMD was in the middle, having proprietary drivers that could offer better gaming than intel but sucked compared to nvidia and had much better open source drivers than nvidia but sucked compared to intel. AMD open source drivers starting becoming good around 2018 and became really competitive around 2020 so that something like steam deck could be a success, so they are quite recent development.
Yeah I Hope Nvidia will help support GTX 1xxx/RTX 2xxx+ and newer support for desktop PCs running steam os. Valve is one company who could get Nvidia to fully support steam os on desktop PCs. That is my hope. windows 11= is bloatware
If Valve could use their influence to improve NVIDIA support across Linux, it would be another great step in helping Linux eat away at Microsoft’s market share
@ZestyAsTech Hi, thanks for reply. Yeah that is my hope. A few other tech UA-camrs are saying/reporting steam os with Nvidia support will never happen, and only other distro like Bazzite and few others who have limited RTX Support. As I am still on GTX 1080ti. Can’t afford buy 6900xt here Canada Cus still anywhere $900 to $1200+ Canadian.
I seriously have never understood how people have issues with nvidia on Linux. I have been running them for decades, and always have more issues when I have switched to ATI/AMD. Also, Valve has little to do with nvidia wanting to have open drivers for Linux. I can bet it is all about AI.
@slaapliedje I’m Linux Noob. I Want too support Linux more, but know nothing about using it. As also said. Still running GTX 1080ti and I did check. It does have Vulkan 1.3 support. Might not have all newest features but should be good enough for older games I play. But Bazzite game mode don’t work on GTX 1xxx, not sure if driver issue or because Bazzite is using Valve game mode and not compatible older Nvidia? I don’t know. If Valve got Nvidia to officially help steam os it would help. But yes I know most Nvidia drivers for Linux are open source or community made. I’ve tried years ago the un official steam os and game made was horrible, half time wounding even load game mode, it get stuck in booting loop, crash and reboot again. When it did get game mode (or is game scope) pop up menu for shutdown/reboot/reboot desktop didn’t work/didn’t show. So couldn’t figure out how reboot desktop mode. When I did. Desktop mode was fine. Gams ran fine. Was just valves game mode that was buggy. Make sense since steam deck is only AMD Soc. (Zen 2/rdna2). I’ve seen few videos ppl trying run olde RTX 2xxx with Bazzite and they couldn’t get to work. Seen few other videos ppl trying other Linux distro with say GTX 1080 and couldn’t get it run very good. It’s known Linux and Nvidia is bad combination. And I don’t have $900 to $1200+ (Canadian) for RX 6900xt atm. Wish I could grab one.
Nvidia will be at feature parity with AMD soon (when it gets multi monitor VRR on wayland), once this is implemented there will be basically no downside to using the proprietary nvidia drivers on linux.
ubuntu and popOs use the debian driver for nvidia. Any debian-based os has amdgpu and nvidia-driver available from the debian repository as long as you have non-free enabled
When did it get hard to install nvidia Arch drivers? :S The app is pretty much just a pass trough for playing on another device. So that will not change anything. But yes everything that we can get is nice from em.
I had one of the easiest install of NVIDIA drivers I've ever done on EndeavorOS. Drivers came preinstalled but even without them it's a simple 'nvidia-inst' and you're good to go. Only other DE I've tried that has a good install process is Mint.
NVIDIA has to change a lot of things if it wants to recover me as customer, starting to open the source code of its driver to implement its components in the standard graphics stack. I was an NVIDIA user for almost five years and the experience was a nightmare.
They will after the next gen of handhelds take off, the new steamdeck with the new AMD chip will make them decide to work on that. Its always money driven, they're not convinced of the potential yet
I don't understand what are the difficulties people have with Nvidia. I have an RTX3090 and never had issues, except on Wayland until plasma 6 released. Nowadays? Nvidia is smooth sailing. Also, a small correction, MacOS doesn't use Nvidia for a while, and the Apple support team was migrated to Linux. And nowadays we have Nvidia-Open drivers, at least on arch-based distros, and NVK is actually advancing pretty well as well. Noveau continues to be limited, that's a given, but the overall experience on Linux, at least for me, has been stellar.
Well, linus did say. Valve will save the Linux Desktop. even thou its not in a same if we're talking about the context of the original video. but the point still kinda stand.
Nvidia will never go open-source in a near future. I'm going to transition to linux this week and abandon windows definitely. My problem is nvidia, and I'll just sell my 3060 ti and buy an amd instead. Nvidia lost.
Nvidia was paid by Intel and Microsoft to not boost Linux gaming since that benefits their rivals, AMD and Linux itself. Not the firt time those two were found bribing to stop competition.
Damn. You got a lot of things half-true. Nvidia got the right dev a year ago, so now is the time where all updates are going to be rolled out. Nvidia support got way better and its not a big hassle to install them too anymore. Some Linux distros include install-script. The drivers do have an open source part, but its useless without the binary. Steam-Deck works only with AMD Cards right now, thought I hope this would change, so the AMD would get a competition in the Handheld space.
There are recent Nvidia drivers within the SteamOS kernel, so it's obvious that Valve is trying to get Nvidia cards working as best they can. Here's to hoping that Nvidia is working with them, because they're already close business partners.
Jensen likes to talk a lot about the wide possibilities of nvidia technology but in the end at least for what it look outside those CEOs heads, it is all tie to Windows, let see if that nvidia supposed promise of amazing potential can be used with other partners finally
If a drivers works, it is a good driver. I don't think it is about proprietary drivers, but market share and resources required. Look at gaming alone, the 3 main OS for desktop gaming are Win, Mac and Linux. With Win at 96%, Mac 1.6% and Linux 2.3%. Unless game dev using cross platform tools from the very beginning, it is very likely any game will be Win only.
"Acknowledging that Linux even exists" that's ridiculous, they're very well aware that Linux exists since more than two decades ago, when they're were the only ones providing a working and with good performance GPU driver. You talk about history but seems to have serious gaps in it.
If Nvidia doesn't improve the usability of their hardware on Linux, they could be handing AMD a way to reverse the GPU monopoly if gamers did switch away from windows in mass so they have to improve the support soon.
nRipia's support of Linux is bogus. I doubt they will ever open source like AMDumb. At least one of these anti-gamer companies is really supporting Linux. Thanks for all you do Valve and for Steam. Thanks.
I think proton is good, but is not exactly the way. We have to have more demand on games for linux... with linux binaries. And yep! We have that thing about nvidia drivers... yet.
1:41 I mean I get what you said overall in the video, but calling it 2nd class citizens just because the software is only provided as a binary is a bit of stretch when you compare it to Windows and macOS, Windows and macOS also had only binaries, so there you would be on the same class, and macOS shouldn’t almost be mentioned, only briefly was supported and since the ego of Apple and Nvidia faced to each other NVIDIAs GPUs were no more, and that was more than a decade ago. So, I get the inconveniences on Linux, but is not like NVIDIA behaved marvelously everywhere else
In Linux the kernel interfaces change constantly, Novidia or any other vendor not providing an open source driver for the kernel to control the "hardware" is a big thing for Linux users. Novidia doesn't need to open source anything but the part of the driver that drives the hardware. The community will do the rest.
@ not that big of a deal to be honest when you consider the frequency of updates of a video driver and that it will obviously give support to new Linux kernel versions. Don’t get me wrong I prefer them being open source, but I don’t agree with that making Linux a second class citizen, that will only do it the lack of features that the Linux driver may have. TL;DR (of the rest is down here): x86 and ARM are supported and the driver is updated frequently, so kernel changes are not going to be an issue, only RISC-V would be seriously benefited now, and there are almost none consumer RISC-V, and NVIDIA is open to support RISC-V in the future, I would like a complete but open source NVIDIA driver, but that’s not going to happen, they are not going to open for the world to see “their precious black box” and realistically for the end user not that big deal, would be cool for people to tweak the driver on the code level, but not a big deal What you say has only become more relevant nowadays more than due to kernel behavior but due to the interest in these last years on new architectures like ARM, and RISC-V, where is very very useful to simply be able to recompile a piece of software for a certain ISA that one may want to try. But if we’re being honest although it is a problem that certain popularity or interest would need to exist so NVIDIA bother to release their driver on another architecture, that is now less than a issue than ever before, NVIDIA has Linux ARM 64 bit drivers, that they are going to be in very good working order as they clearly created them over time due to the interest of NVIDIA on releasing ARM products, that on one side, on the other side today’s computing seems to have settled down from the fever of ISAs of the past, to x86, ARM and RISC-V, and right now they cover 2/3 of those, and come on, very few end users are tinkering with RISC-V computers capable of having connected an NVIDIA GPU, and given the incredibly fast pace RISC-V is going (with ARM took a lot longer for people to try to have full fledge ARM PCs and servers, while that was immediately the first priority of RISC-V) they have no plans for now to make a RISC-V driver but Jensen stated how would be open to it when the software ecosystem matures.
I don't entirely agreed nvidia driver are not bad .they have had driver for linux and BSD , and linux arm , they are just proprietary, and they don't focus of linux edge technilogy like wayland. But i would not say they are bad, i think they driver are propritery and they are a PLETORA of linux to support with not real common way to do thing (Except for kernel) . So i think the real issue is : no model , no base , nothing to actually make this work , and linux only want nvidia open source/private code/secret key the total. So yea it was not gonna happen but despite all that i would not say nvidia driver are bad.... Most people today are gaming on linux with nvidia card totally fine , you just install propriataty driver and for 99% of people its done. if you didnt get i use arch with nvidia card , i have no problem no performance no issue. The only thing i see as a user is that wayland support is not there yet , top of my head that the single thing for me
VR on linux is already very sketchy. I have no AMD experience, but they aren't known for their VR performance, either. But that mainly comes from streaming VR users, not DPVR users. Add in game support and it isn't really worth the time or hassle :/ A lot of gaming on Linux boiled down to the time and hassle part, not to mention performance losses and software support.
I appreciate the feedback I will probably change the format in the future. The next video I’m releasing still has captions, but they’re not one word at a time like this
Nvidia has great linux support since linux runs on most servers, but if you use Nvidia desktop on linux, good luck. Also arch has easy Nvidia install also it's pronounced gentoo not ggentoo just like how it's generation not ggeneration.
I mean nvidia drivers are Open source the Firmware which contains the critical parts is Not though. And the Open Source amd drivers are iirc Full of undocumented blobs and acronyms which amd keeps to themselves. But the Development on nvidias Side has improved a Lot lately so time will tell
Someone might have to strap Jenson to a chair and threaten his beloved Leather Jacket before the he allows the drivers to be fully Open Source. That said, We're all for this. Gaming is great and all (no, really) but some of us have other needs. If AMD (and now Intel) had an answer to CUDA We wouldn't care a single lick about Nvidia, but they don't soooo...
I only use Intel graphic cards. I don't pray to anyone. Also, if appears any other GPU with open source driver it will be also my first choice, is not about the price, is about the open/libre source (the right to make it work in any place) at first priority, and the performance as second place priority (and still important). So far I see the Chinese upcoming GPU's are more willing to be that alternative, unless USA sanction Chinese companies to not be able to work with Linux Fundation.
Is Nvidia's Linux support a lost cause? As far as AI is concerned, not at all. Graphics, on the other hand, it's anybody's guess. Despite the recent improvements, there's no real incentive for them. Could the pressure make a difference? What pressure? Would they open-source their drivers? Wy? AMD did it because it would help with 2 of their problems: they couldn't maintain/support their drivers properly, and it would be a leg-up in a market historically and largely neglected by Nvidia for them to sell their GPUs/APUs. Nvidia doesn't need to care about the first reason, and they definitely don't care about the second, and besides, in the grand scheme of things, they're winning, so again, why? What this is Nvidia tapping Valve's efforts to expand their game streaming business, and the n. 1 rule of this business is to become ubiquitous as taught and learned from Spotify by everyone else. Nothing else. Another thing: the app will most likely be a CEF/Electron.js based PWA, such that Nvidia won't even really need to dabble with Linux itself for something other than testing to see if it works.
I’ve been going back and forth on using the full screen captions. Some people don’t like them, but retention time improves dramatically when I use them so a lot of people must prefer them. The voice is my own, not AI 😄
Please! I am tired of micro$oft! W7 was awesome W10 less awesome W11 is straight sh*t... yet they trying to push us to use that - I am anit touching it!!!!
@@mattheww797 fake news, anticheat only matter for multiplayer games. And only few of them. 80% of multiplayer games do work on linux without any problems. I can play Marvel Rivals, Owerwatch 2, almost any MMO, Diablo 4, Path of Exile, Etc. I can continue a lot with this. Anticheat does work on linux. EAC is fully supported. The only games that do no on Linux are those whos devs hellbend on using kernel level anticheat, and linux does not allow for that. Giving someone full access to your system is a no go.
There is no problems with support. Proton works out of the box 90% of the time. And there is extensive documentation for devs on how proton works and how can you adopt your game to work even better than on windows with it. Valve and linux community worked a lot together on making it work seamless and continue to do so.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. For several years now nvidia has had basically zero problems running on linux. The drivers are literally a one command install. There is no challenge. RTFM
I apologize for anything I got wrong. I am far from an expert when it comes to Linux but I collaborated with multiple experienced Linux users I trust in the making of this script.
FYI Nvidia & Valve always has been close since NVIDIA Shield days. The problem pretty much proprietary/open source with secret sauce, that's why trillion dollar companies
They have supported Linux forever... just because the drivers are not open sourced doesn't mean they don't work. Most distributions these days either detect and install the drivers by default, or it is a simple command to add them. Hell, even RHEL has an official Linux repository ran by nvidia.
they're not just closed source. They're often buggy, or not feature complete, and generally don't keep up with innovations in the Linux stack (they took a long time to get wayland support, for example)
Hate to be cringy, but I honestly love these videos! I just prefer they were longer. Podcasts like The WAN Show only update weekly so I don’t have as much tech (specifically PC and Linux) podcasts as I’d like. I’ll also take recommendations if you have any 🤍
Thank you so much! I’ve tried some longer videos that didn’t perform too well, so I’ve been trying to trim these as short as possible. Right now I’m experimenting with cutting long and short versions and putting the long version on my Patrion early. If I have my settings right, they should be publicly available on the page a few days after. Still figuring things out to be honest.
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Linux is starting to gain market share and I think Nividia doesn't want to leave it on the table, money talks.
That’s actually one of the biggest win for Linux. Giants like NVidia are thinking them as a potential future
The money is in AI nowadays and all the AIs out there are running on Linux.
@@digitaleswerken those GPU's, at least the serious ones are running on Quadro GPUs which have full linux support already
Fun fact Nvidia has drivers for Linux on ARM but not for Windows on ARM. Not like the Windows drivers are old are bad, they just don't exists.
It's all thanks to AI, Linux on ARM is hugh for AI development.
Nvidia is already working on Linux, they just need a bit more motivation.
The only thing that motivates a company like NVIDIA is money and thankfully Valve has very deep pockets
They have had good Linux drivers for ages. People don't like them because of them being proprietary. I still remember that Nvidia were the first ones to have glx drivers. Also, they have supported Linux and BSD for longer than others. The problem is that AMD drivers are stuck / pinned to the kernel. You get new support for new GPUs only via kernel / mesa updates. Sure, they are open source, but they are still not always the best method for GPUs.
@@slaapliedje This has not been true for quite a while. Nviidia's drivers are generally functional on linux systems which utilize X11 display servers, but as that technology is being replaced with Wayland by more and more distros, Nvidia's proprietary driver has continued to lag the AMDGPU driver in all but video encoding and CUDA support. Even the latest releases still struggle with key aspects of utilizing Wayland effectively on the desktop while the driver is still basically unusable in gamescope Wayland sessions.
Its for this reason I went from being entirely Nvidia or Intel on linux starting around 2004 (The Radeon firegl driver was always horrible) to moving over nearly entirely to AMD around 2019 on all but ultra low powered devices like the N100. Until Nvidia either gets their proprietary driver to a competent state on Linux, supporting modern technologies, which are being adopted very quickly these days, or allows the community to do it for them (Open source large portions of their driver) my position that Nvidia is simply not an option will persist. God knows their pricing structure sure doesn't incentivize me to buy team green... but their absolute failure to support modern tech is a disgrace.
Nvidia has drivers on Linux too, they just don't use DRM.
Nvidia also has drivers for IBM Power and Itanium etc on Windows.
The problem isn't all Nvidia's fault. Its up to Linux to make a driver model and solution that doesn't require Nvidia hand over private code or keys. Linux doesn't own the rights to Nvidia tech so if they want Nvidia, they need to fix DRM so it doesn't require private software to operate.
@@zezba9000 there is "a driver model and solution" to use proprietary drivers in Linux without "hand over private code or keys" ... that is what Nvidia is doing right now ... and it would be OK if they make an effort and make Linux drivers on pair with Windows - but they don't - there are many features that came to Linux "late" or not at all.
Making drivers open-source would help solve this problem because there are many knowledgeable people in the community who would make things work-essentially, they would do NVidia work for free.
So it is Nvidia's fault because they have 2 options to do it right (stay proprietary, but fully support Linux, or go Open-source and let the community to solve issues they can't).
The second "Nvidia's fault", that Nvidia should do is fix this licensing so any distro can include drivers - when I can legally download/install drivers for products I own to my OS, I don't understand the stupidity of the decision to prohibit OS from doing it for me.
I solved my Nvidia problems by just buying AMD on my Linux system. Just a better experience and I save a ton of money.
I can't wait for AMD cards to catch up on AI (at least inference) performance so I can ditch Nvidia.
Yep... I guess intel is becoming viable too. Just anything that has drivers in the mainline kernel and uses the mesa stack. Ngreedia can piss off.
If Nvidia and valve are willing to work together probably a future steam machine can have an Nvidia GPU, which would mean better Linux support. I hope so! More hardware! The better!
If my control center doesn't look older than me then I'm down for it.m
Bazzite has beta Nvidia support now (since Jan 6th). I'm running a GTX 4060 and have Steam with Gamescope running successfully.
@@techm0j0 are you daily driving bazzite? how good is it as a general purpose desktop operating system to use with keyboard and mouse? btw "GTX 4060", checks out given how demanding RT is for anything but high end GPUs
@ I am only using Bazzite as a Steam Deck PC to play my steam games. I have gone into Desktop mode a couple times for updates and things of that nature, but not using it as a full blown Windows replacement, so can't comment on its use or functionality. I do have a wireless keyboard with trackball attached and that works fine for my purposes.
@@kajojo2399 And I meant RTX 4060 btw... it's the low profile variant as I'm running a small form factor setup.
You did notice that Linux doesn't show once in this announcement - so no, they didn't "acknowledge that Linux exists". They specifically say this Gforce Now App will release for Steam Deck - they don't mention it being released for Linux at all.
Nvidia isn't neglecting Linux, they are neglecting Linux gaming
That's just not true. They did not had wayland support for long time and their support is still majorly lacking now. Even for non-gaming scenarios. Even linux desktop usage is a pain compared to having cheaper AMD card.
Linus told them to F themselves not because of gaming.
@MrBladejs They only did drivers for AI as expected
@@MrBladejs woosh. You agree with him, but he's pointing out how Nvidia's putting real effort, which they indeed are and I can attest to this, but pretty much only because of AI, the reason why I can attest to this (I did some AI facial recognition PoC for work). Graphics is a second-class citizen for them nowadays, and in the list of things Nvidia cares, Linux graphics is at the bottom of it.
It's worth pointing out that AMD isn't really better. Their GPUs are technically inferior, they open-sourced their drivers because they couldn't afford not to anymore, and Valve still had to write its own driver.
@@tosemusername Doesn't the Steam Deck just use the mesa driver like every other PC with an AMD video card?
@@tosemusername I disagree completely:
1. "You agree with him" - No, I disagree with him. While Nvidia isn't neglecting all linux usecases like AIs or server, they are neglecting Linux desktop, gaming or not related. That's my disagreement.
It would be one thing if gaming is not really working but development and desktop experiences are good. That's not the case, if Linux is your preferred development environment then Nvidia will provide you with an inferior development experience as you will probably still have to struggle with their inferior drivers when it comes to regular desktop usage during development.
2. "AMD isn't really better" - Yes, AMD is better. Not only did they open source their drivers, they had to write them essentially from scratch and integrate them into the Linux kernel which involved passing the Linux review process, which improved their drivers compared to Windows versions.
AMD also wasn't a company named by Linus to be specifically difficult to work with.
3. "Their GPUs are technically inferior" - while that is true, it's not by much. 1-2 generations, which will change a little now because of their focus shift. However, nvidia drivers are much more inferior then the AMD ones (lacking features such as implicit sync, which AMD does have since 2012, many generations ago). Generally AMD is a very good expierience on Linux and if you are a Linux user you have to just accept that you won't be on the bleeding edge of gaming performance.
4. "they open-sourced their drivers because they couldn't afford not to anymore" - I find it very weird how people focus on guessing the intentions. At the end of the day, I don't really care, why should anyone? Those are companies, they work for profit, not from the goodness of their hard. What I care about is that I have a fluid and stable desktop experience and good performance in games, while being able to use my OS of choice. Why that is is really of no concern to me. What matters is Nvidia neglects Linux desktop users while AMD does not.
5. "Valve still had to write its own driver" - That's just false. You've read something online and scrambled it into your point of view. You're probably talking about ACO - Valve made user-space shader compiler, integrated into mesa. It's true that it is more performant than LLVM used in mesa before and the one used in AMDVLK. But that is still using kernel-space AMD driver.
Good day, I switched to Linux about 2 months ago and I'm honestly delighted. There are no stupid programs that just eat up RAM and CPU for no reason and similar nonsense. The only things that stop Linux are Nvidia drivers and compatibility with Windows applications, if they also become standard for Linux, I think about 40% of Windows users would switch to Linux, maybe even 50%.
My next GPU is going to be an AMD. I am goign back to AMD where i should have stayed since i used AMD CPU's since the 286 days and GPU's since before they were AMD. IT was ATI. I am not putting up with that nvidia BS anymore. Their drivers are making gaming on linux a freaking nightmare to deal with. Huge amounts of time I am wasting. SO not gonna fire up slot 2 M2 that has whatever the latest failed try at a distro that just might take the nvidia drivers. Notwasting my time anymore.
Since xmas i have tried :
Twister os, Mint, Ubuntu, cachyos, manjaro, monkajaro, Pop os, RegataOs, Nobara.
The only distro that allowed me to even play a game before they dropped support for my 1060 card was nobara. Since then ive bought another SSD and slapped it into slot 2. I tried all the ones above on that ssd using a 3060. None of them worked. Not after wine installed. Not after proton GE, Steam's proton. Special kernels. Probably all has to do with nvdia.
Didn't Nividia "open" their drivers a couple months ago? that also should be considered a step forward to the posibility of ditching windows to some of us who despise the way Microsoft make use of our hardware, spying, and wasting resources in unnecesary crap.
I am very new to Linux, since August 2024.
I've used a few Linux Distros, Pop_Os!, Fedora, Unbuntu and they've all installed the NVIDIA drivers for me.
I have also used more customized distributions that support NVIDIA drivers: EndeavorOS, NobaraOS, and my favorite that I am sticking with, CachyOS. I can game on Linux just fine.
The main issue isn't NVIDIA any more. It's publications and devs that do not allow their anti-cheat to function on Linux. They WORK, but they actively block Linux systems from using them. GTA 5 worked until it didn't recently. There are games that do work and have anti-cheat: Marvel Rivals, HELLDIVERS 2, and The Finals, for example.
Well, I'm using CachyOS which is Arch based and there it's as simple as executing a single pacman command to install the latest fitting Nvidia drivers and it's been that way for quite a while I believe. But indeed, if the distro use are using doesn't offer them, you are screwed especially if it isn't mentioned on Nvidia's page. If it does feature Nvidia's closed drivers like Ubuntu but doesn't have recent versions which in turn are required for AI applications which are coming out in a fast pace, you also have to install the drivers manually. But if you do there's a high chance you will cause some kind of conflict in the packet management and that you may have to do a clean up and re-install the drivers again from scratch at some point. So despite there was an installation guide explicitly for Ubuntu, it got broken when I then updated Ubuntu later.
AI = Linux + Nivida = Money, Gaming doesn't fit in this calculation.
The moment I saw his jacket, I knew something was up.
Jacket envy is real
"one of the world's biggest names in GPU's" I mean that's one way to put it... 3.26 trillion USD
I think “THE name in GPU’s” would have been a better way to put it 😄
@@ZestyAsTech Yeah probably. Also you suggested that Valve might influence NVIDIA's behavior through financial means. However, Valve’s estimated worth of $6 to $8 billion is negligible compared to NVIDIA’s financial scale-it’s essentially a rounding error in their books. Over the years, it’s become evident that no financial investment Valve could offer would be significant enough to sway NVIDIA. If NVIDIA aligns with Valve’s mission, it’s likely for reasons other than financial incentives.
this comes out, just after i spend the whole last saturday installing nvidia proprietary drivers and nvidia prime on my garuda linux sistem
NVIDIA could put just a couple of their many thousands of millions of dollars into NVK (the NVIDIA Vulkan driver in Mesa), and it would make steam machines completely viable on NVIDIA.
It's fair to mention that the drivers used by SteamOS on Radeon chips (RADV) are actually written by a team of third party developers, and originated outside of AMD.
AMD and NVIDIA are in almost the same position now, with regard to drivers in Mesa.
For Valve, they want to be able to work on the drivers, so NVIDIA's proprietary drivers are not viable for Valve to support.
The more important steps in this direction over the past three years are: 1. releasing their GPU firmware under a license that allows it to be redistributed, and 2. Open sourcing the kernel driver that accompanies their proprietary driver.
Number 1 solves the main reason open source NVIDIA drivers have stagnated: they couldn't upload the firmware into the cards, and so they couldn't reclock the cards. Number 2 is an opportunity to study and complete the upstream kernel drivers, despite the lack of documentation.
Nvidia and Steam always had been close through Valves Games like Portal RTX
It’s just good to see them extending that to Valve’s Linux based platform as well instead of just a traditional game developer partnership.
i use Linux Mint (21.3) and have (almost) no problems with my Nvidia gpu (i said „almost“, because rarely a wine-powered game doesnt switch resolution back when quitting)
..steam (proton-based) games run well, though.
(except very few, like Terraria)
Thanks Gabe, always seeing forward for the community and market at all... instead of gates, who left his head inside a toilet for too many time.
Great video pacing, explained well. It's guess just the consumer side and desktop Linux, since many software companies and many vfx studios use NVIDIA with Linux - makes sense, since the money isn't in desktop Linux, why would they care more. Their new(ish) Open Kernel Modules are promising though.
Thanks to the AI boom and the new Nvidia Open Source drivers every 3xxx and newer Nvidia GPU works just fine on any Linux distro.
i mean valve is the reason why linux gaming is possible that easy
It's all about money and interest. Project digits is a linux distro running nividia AI card.
They just didn't see consumers buy nividia card and couple it with a linux distro. It didn't make sense.
But with the success of steamOS and gaming on linux, they will probably support that one out of the bat with good drivers and everything. They need to see a value in their investment to improve the drivers and it's happening.
Gentoo user here (I also used arch in the past btw). The way it works on arch and gentoo is nvidia drivers are distributed as a package that downloads them from nvidia. I mean on gentoo you also need to accept the license and configure your useflags, and maybe reconfigure the kernel if you're running but that's the appeal of gentoo. It's not really a problem here. It's harder on something like debian or other pure foss distros (or pure foss adjecent like fedora). But again - that's their appeal.
I axed nvidia from my system last year and I've been running a custom build of mesa with nvk for my gaming needs. It's honestly pretty good though the most recent game I played in 2024 is fallout london (mostly stable 60fps on 1650 ti, except for that one performance tanking grass field, per usual).
I always used linux with nvidia gpu. I think 7 years ago I had to download installer from Nvidia downloader and run with some args to get it when Desktop Environment was running. Now if you have at least GTX 1660 you have official nvidia open source kernel drivers. If you have older GPU or want proprietary driver you can just run drivers gui app wich is on most user friendly Linux distributions. And the last thing. If you use Gentoo you probably are more advanced Linux, so installing this drivers shouldn’t be a problem. If you running arch you just need to install package wich is described on arch wiki. So now installing nvidia is not something that hard.
Something important about the history is that when steam came to linux proprietary nvidia drivers were the only option for linux gaming. Nvidia historically had very good closed drivers but actively sabotaged the open source drivers. The good guy that supported open source drivers was intel. But intel had no good gpus. AMD had proprietary drivers that you needed for gaming but they sucked and they also did not support much the open source drivers so open source AMD drivers also sucked. But they did not sabotaged them like nvidia. So AMD was in the middle, having proprietary drivers that could offer better gaming than intel but sucked compared to nvidia and had much better open source drivers than nvidia but sucked compared to intel. AMD open source drivers starting becoming good around 2018 and became really competitive around 2020 so that something like steam deck could be a success, so they are quite recent development.
Yeah I Hope Nvidia will help support GTX 1xxx/RTX 2xxx+ and newer support for desktop PCs running steam os. Valve is one company who could get Nvidia to fully support steam os on desktop PCs. That is my hope. windows 11= is bloatware
If Valve could use their influence to improve NVIDIA support across Linux, it would be another great step in helping Linux eat away at Microsoft’s market share
@ZestyAsTech
Hi, thanks for reply. Yeah that is my hope. A few other tech UA-camrs are saying/reporting steam os with Nvidia support will never happen, and only other distro like Bazzite and few others who have limited RTX Support. As I am still on GTX 1080ti. Can’t afford buy 6900xt here Canada Cus still anywhere $900 to $1200+ Canadian.
I seriously have never understood how people have issues with nvidia on Linux. I have been running them for decades, and always have more issues when I have switched to ATI/AMD. Also, Valve has little to do with nvidia wanting to have open drivers for Linux. I can bet it is all about AI.
@slaapliedje
I’m Linux Noob. I Want too support Linux more, but know nothing about using it. As also said. Still running GTX 1080ti and I did check. It does have Vulkan 1.3 support. Might not have all newest features but should be good enough for older games I play. But Bazzite game mode don’t work on GTX 1xxx, not sure if driver issue or because Bazzite is using Valve game mode and not compatible older Nvidia? I don’t know.
If Valve got Nvidia to officially help steam os it would help. But yes I know most Nvidia drivers for Linux are open source or community made.
I’ve tried years ago the un official steam os and game made was horrible, half time wounding even load game mode, it get stuck in booting loop, crash and reboot again. When it did get game mode (or is game scope) pop up menu for shutdown/reboot/reboot desktop didn’t work/didn’t show. So couldn’t figure out how reboot desktop mode. When I did. Desktop mode was fine. Gams ran fine. Was just valves game mode that was buggy. Make sense since steam deck is only AMD Soc. (Zen 2/rdna2).
I’ve seen few videos ppl trying run olde RTX 2xxx with Bazzite and they couldn’t get to work. Seen few other videos ppl trying other Linux distro with say GTX 1080 and couldn’t get it run very good. It’s known Linux and Nvidia is bad combination. And I don’t have $900 to $1200+ (Canadian) for RX 6900xt atm. Wish I could grab one.
I feel like it's working pretty well as is, just behind on some of the best features.
Nvidia will be at feature parity with AMD soon (when it gets multi monitor VRR on wayland), once this is implemented there will be basically no downside to using the proprietary nvidia drivers on linux.
ubuntu and popOs use the debian driver for nvidia. Any debian-based os has amdgpu and nvidia-driver available from the debian repository as long as you have non-free enabled
When did it get hard to install nvidia Arch drivers? :S The app is pretty much just a pass trough for playing on another device. So that will not change anything. But yes everything that we can get is nice from em.
pacman -Sy nvidia 😅😅 hard!!!!!!
I had one of the easiest install of NVIDIA drivers I've ever done on EndeavorOS. Drivers came preinstalled but even without them it's a simple 'nvidia-inst' and you're good to go. Only other DE I've tried that has a good install process is Mint.
NVIDIA has to change a lot of things if it wants to recover me as customer, starting to open the source code of its driver to implement its components in the standard graphics stack.
I was an NVIDIA user for almost five years and the experience was a nightmare.
They will after the next gen of handhelds take off, the new steamdeck with the new AMD chip will make them decide to work on that. Its always money driven, they're not convinced of the potential yet
I don't understand what are the difficulties people have with Nvidia. I have an RTX3090 and never had issues, except on Wayland until plasma 6 released. Nowadays? Nvidia is smooth sailing. Also, a small correction, MacOS doesn't use Nvidia for a while, and the Apple support team was migrated to Linux. And nowadays we have Nvidia-Open drivers, at least on arch-based distros, and NVK is actually advancing pretty well as well. Noveau continues to be limited, that's a given, but the overall experience on Linux, at least for me, has been stellar.
you shouldve talked about the open source NVK driver thats being developed!
Well, linus did say. Valve will save the Linux Desktop. even thou its not in a same if we're talking about the context of the original video. but the point still kinda stand.
Nvidia will never go open-source in a near future. I'm going to transition to linux this week and abandon windows definitely. My problem is nvidia, and I'll just sell my 3060 ti and buy an amd instead. Nvidia lost.
Nvidia was paid by Intel and Microsoft to not boost Linux gaming since that benefits their rivals, AMD and Linux itself. Not the firt time those two were found bribing to stop competition.
the title of this video made me chuckle outloud.
Damn. You got a lot of things half-true. Nvidia got the right dev a year ago, so now is the time where all updates are going to be rolled out. Nvidia support got way better and its not a big hassle to install them too anymore. Some Linux distros include install-script.
The drivers do have an open source part, but its useless without the binary. Steam-Deck works only with AMD Cards right now, thought I hope this would change, so the AMD would get a competition in the Handheld space.
Steam will change the game
I sure hope so
There are recent Nvidia drivers within the SteamOS kernel, so it's obvious that Valve is trying to get Nvidia cards working as best they can.
Here's to hoping that Nvidia is working with them, because they're already close business partners.
Jensen likes to talk a lot about the wide possibilities of nvidia technology but in the end at least for what it look outside those CEOs heads, it is all tie to Windows, let see if that nvidia supposed promise of amazing potential can be used with other partners finally
If a drivers works, it is a good driver. I don't think it is about proprietary drivers, but market share and resources required. Look at gaming alone, the 3 main OS for desktop gaming are Win, Mac and Linux. With Win at 96%, Mac 1.6% and Linux 2.3%. Unless game dev using cross platform tools from the very beginning, it is very likely any game will be Win only.
"Acknowledging that Linux even exists" that's ridiculous, they're very well aware that Linux exists since more than two decades ago, when they're were the only ones providing a working and with good performance GPU driver. You talk about history but seems to have serious gaps in it.
If Nvidia doesn't improve the usability of their hardware on Linux, they could be handing AMD a way to reverse the GPU monopoly if gamers did switch away from windows in mass so they have to improve the support soon.
nRipia's support of Linux is bogus. I doubt they will ever open source like AMDumb. At least one of these anti-gamer companies is really supporting Linux. Thanks for all you do Valve and for Steam. Thanks.
I think proton is good, but is not exactly the way.
We have to have more demand on games for linux... with linux binaries.
And yep! We have that thing about nvidia drivers... yet.
I like AMD more, but I wish that Nvidia users have a good driver support for desktop Linux :)
1:41 I mean I get what you said overall in the video, but calling it 2nd class citizens just because the software is only provided as a binary is a bit of stretch when you compare it to Windows and macOS, Windows and macOS also had only binaries, so there you would be on the same class, and macOS shouldn’t almost be mentioned, only briefly was supported and since the ego of Apple and Nvidia faced to each other NVIDIAs GPUs were no more, and that was more than a decade ago.
So, I get the inconveniences on Linux, but is not like NVIDIA behaved marvelously everywhere else
In Linux the kernel interfaces change constantly, Novidia or any other vendor not providing an open source driver for the kernel to control the "hardware" is a big thing for Linux users. Novidia doesn't need to open source anything but the part of the driver that drives the hardware. The community will do the rest.
@ not that big of a deal to be honest when you consider the frequency of updates of a video driver and that it will obviously give support to new Linux kernel versions.
Don’t get me wrong I prefer them being open source, but I don’t agree with that making Linux a second class citizen, that will only do it the lack of features that the Linux driver may have.
TL;DR (of the rest is down here): x86 and ARM are supported and the driver is updated frequently, so kernel changes are not going to be an issue, only RISC-V would be seriously benefited now, and there are almost none consumer RISC-V, and NVIDIA is open to support RISC-V in the future, I would like a complete but open source NVIDIA driver, but that’s not going to happen, they are not going to open for the world to see “their precious black box” and realistically for the end user not that big deal, would be cool for people to tweak the driver on the code level, but not a big deal
What you say has only become more relevant nowadays more than due to kernel behavior but due to the interest in these last years on new architectures like ARM, and RISC-V, where is very very useful to simply be able to recompile a piece of software for a certain ISA that one may want to try.
But if we’re being honest although it is a problem that certain popularity or interest would need to exist so NVIDIA bother to release their driver on another architecture, that is now less than a issue than ever before, NVIDIA has Linux ARM 64 bit drivers, that they are going to be in very good working order as they clearly created them over time due to the interest of NVIDIA on releasing ARM products, that on one side, on the other side today’s computing seems to have settled down from the fever of ISAs of the past, to x86, ARM and RISC-V, and right now they cover 2/3 of those, and come on, very few end users are tinkering with RISC-V computers capable of having connected an NVIDIA GPU, and given the incredibly fast pace RISC-V is going (with ARM took a lot longer for people to try to have full fledge ARM PCs and servers, while that was immediately the first priority of RISC-V) they have no plans for now to make a RISC-V driver but Jensen stated how would be open to it when the software ecosystem matures.
Nvidia will never open source drivers, their half baked attempt does not count. it will forever be a hurdle. regardless of anything valve tries
Why are there no subtitles in this video 🤔
I’ll be sure to make them bigger next time 😄
yeah nvidia always been an issue with linux linus even gave him the bird at one point lmao
Basically windows is dying...Mac and Linux, steamdeck(all similar) ...etc is the future of operating systems
An app from Nvidia, to stream from their servers. It’s not driver support.
Year of gaming on linux with NVIDIA!!
Screw Nvidia!
great video, but i cant stand being forced to read the large text over the screen. CC exists for a reason
I will be changing it for future videos
I don't entirely agreed nvidia driver are not bad .they have had driver for linux and BSD , and linux arm , they are just proprietary, and they don't focus of linux edge technilogy like wayland. But i would not say they are bad, i think they driver are propritery and they are a PLETORA of linux to support with not real common way to do thing (Except for kernel) .
So i think the real issue is : no model , no base , nothing to actually make this work , and linux only want nvidia open source/private code/secret key the total. So yea it was not gonna happen but despite all that i would not say nvidia driver are bad.... Most people today are gaming on linux with nvidia card totally fine , you just install propriataty driver and for 99% of people its done.
if you didnt get i use arch with nvidia card , i have no problem no performance no issue. The only thing i see as a user is that wayland support is not there yet , top of my head that the single thing for me
If such a thing happens between Nvidia and Team, it will be restricted to Steam only and perhaps the Steam OS that they plan to roll out
There is no way to restrict that. Thats not how linux works. Everything that can wok on one dystro, will work on the others too.
im debating trying to sell my Nvidia 4070 Super to get an AMD GPU so i can play VR on my linux computer with my old index. is it worth it?
VR on linux is already very sketchy. I have no AMD experience, but they aren't known for their VR performance, either. But that mainly comes from streaming VR users, not DPVR users. Add in game support and it isn't really worth the time or hassle :/
A lot of gaming on Linux boiled down to the time and hassle part, not to mention performance losses and software support.
Dude, if you want my opinion, text in the middle of the screen is annoying, especially so fast. Make subtitles if you want.
I appreciate the feedback I will probably change the format in the future. The next video I’m releasing still has captions, but they’re not one word at a time like this
Nvidia has great linux support since linux runs on most servers, but if you use Nvidia desktop on linux, good luck. Also arch has easy Nvidia install also it's pronounced gentoo not ggentoo just like how it's generation not ggeneration.
I mean nvidia drivers are Open source the Firmware which contains the critical parts is Not though.
And the Open Source amd drivers are iirc Full of undocumented blobs and acronyms which amd keeps to themselves. But the Development on nvidias Side has improved a Lot lately so time will tell
Someone might have to strap Jenson to a chair and threaten his beloved Leather Jacket before the he allows the drivers to be fully Open Source. That said, We're all for this. Gaming is great and all (no, really) but some of us have other needs. If AMD (and now Intel) had an answer to CUDA We wouldn't care a single lick about Nvidia, but they don't soooo...
I can't believe I got through the entire video without mentioning his jacket
I only use Intel graphic cards.
I don't pray to anyone.
Also, if appears any other GPU with open source driver it will be also my first choice,
is not about the price, is about the open/libre source (the right to make it work in any place) at first priority,
and the performance as second place priority (and still important).
So far I see the Chinese upcoming GPU's are more willing to be that alternative,
unless USA sanction Chinese companies to not be able to work with Linux Fundation.
Is Nvidia's Linux support a lost cause? As far as AI is concerned, not at all. Graphics, on the other hand, it's anybody's guess. Despite the recent improvements, there's no real incentive for them.
Could the pressure make a difference? What pressure?
Would they open-source their drivers? Wy? AMD did it because it would help with 2 of their problems: they couldn't maintain/support their drivers properly, and it would be a leg-up in a market historically and largely neglected by Nvidia for them to sell their GPUs/APUs. Nvidia doesn't need to care about the first reason, and they definitely don't care about the second, and besides, in the grand scheme of things, they're winning, so again, why?
What this is Nvidia tapping Valve's efforts to expand their game streaming business, and the n. 1 rule of this business is to become ubiquitous as taught and learned from Spotify by everyone else. Nothing else. Another thing: the app will most likely be a CEF/Electron.js based PWA, such that Nvidia won't even really need to dabble with Linux itself for something other than testing to see if it works.
So you are gonna push forward with that horrible design choice, to have a rolling script on screen that displays one word at a time?
Tried it a few times but am for sure leaving it behind now. You can check out my latest video on the steam deck to see the new format going forward
can you please disable the auto-translation? this ai voice almost killed me
I’ve been going back and forth on using the full screen captions. Some people don’t like them, but retention time improves dramatically when I use them so a lot of people must prefer them. The voice is my own, not AI 😄
TikTok aah video
Just don't buy Nvidia.
Please!
I am tired of micro$oft!
W7 was awesome
W10 less awesome
W11 is straight sh*t... yet they trying to push us to use that - I am anit touching it!!!!
Problem is, from a market perspective, gaming on Linux doesn't matter. Linux's share on game sales is miniscule and the support is challenging.
game companies dont want to support multiplayer on linux cause of anticheat
@@mattheww797 fake news, anticheat only matter for multiplayer games. And only few of them. 80% of multiplayer games do work on linux without any problems. I can play Marvel Rivals, Owerwatch 2, almost any MMO, Diablo 4, Path of Exile, Etc. I can continue a lot with this. Anticheat does work on linux. EAC is fully supported. The only games that do no on Linux are those whos devs hellbend on using kernel level anticheat, and linux does not allow for that. Giving someone full access to your system is a no go.
There is no problems with support. Proton works out of the box 90% of the time. And there is extensive documentation for devs on how proton works and how can you adopt your game to work even better than on windows with it. Valve and linux community worked a lot together on making it work seamless and continue to do so.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. For several years now nvidia has had basically zero problems running on linux. The drivers are literally a one command install. There is no challenge. RTFM
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I'm on arch with a 4070 and it was as easy as "sudo pacman -S nvidia-open" and then restarting
Half of this video is fiction. Linux distros don't need to pay to include Nvidia drivers 😂
I apologize for anything I got wrong. I am far from an expert when it comes to Linux but I collaborated with multiple experienced Linux users I trust in the making of this script.
FYI Nvidia & Valve always has been close since NVIDIA Shield days.
The problem pretty much proprietary/open source with secret sauce, that's why trillion dollar companies
Good video.
Thank you!
They have supported Linux forever... just because the drivers are not open sourced doesn't mean they don't work. Most distributions these days either detect and install the drivers by default, or it is a simple command to add them. Hell, even RHEL has an official Linux repository ran by nvidia.
they're not just closed source. They're often buggy, or not feature complete, and generally don't keep up with innovations in the Linux stack (they took a long time to get wayland support, for example)
Hate to be cringy, but I honestly love these videos! I just prefer they were longer. Podcasts like The WAN Show only update weekly so I don’t have as much tech (specifically PC and Linux) podcasts as I’d like. I’ll also take recommendations if you have any 🤍
Thank you so much! I’ve tried some longer videos that didn’t perform too well, so I’ve been trying to trim these as short as possible. Right now I’m experimenting with cutting long and short versions and putting the long version on my Patrion early. If I have my settings right, they should be publicly available on the page a few days after. Still figuring things out to be honest.