Wongel, what an excellent pan African diplomat. She didn't entertain divisive narratives. Very important stance to take because we need African Unity like yesterday.
She is a hypocrite. She supports a brutal trabilist regime in Ethiopia that is responsible for the massacre of hundreds of thousands of civilians. While posing as an enlightened Pan Africanist on the outside, Wongel is a savage tribalist inside.
There was NEVER a time in history where "Africa" was united. You are delusional. Wongel is "a pan-African" because she's ignorant and is a total pariah for us Ethiopians. "Pan-Africanism" is a foreign myth devised by Western slave descendants of West Africa. Ethiopia and the Horn of Africa have nothing to do with sub-Saharan Africa.
Does not help. YOu can sink your head in the sand, but it is not a secret that Ethiopians/horn of africans flock together in a way that makes them stand out from other Africans
Wongel is very intelligent and refreshing to listen too. As someone born in the States, I have to say Ethiopians I've met have been the most humble sweet welcoming people from New Orleans, New York, and Atlanta. Beautiful intelligent people. Can't wait to visit. We need more Wongel 🪷
Great video and discussion, guys. I was born in the Caribbean but live in the US ...we really need to all come together as ONE people for real. We need our own USA ...United States of Africa!
Thank you for sharing your perspective! Jamaica indeed has a unique history and culture, and it’s essential to recognize the contributions of different countries. While Africa faces challenges related to tribalism and differences, there are also efforts toward unity and progress. Let’s continue celebrating the rich diversity across the continent and work toward a more united future! 😊
I LOVE how Wongel answers these questions, she doesn’t try to speak to everyone’s experience and makes it clear what her experience was and makes the connection that maybe there are some Ethiopians that may have felt the same way. It’s very diplomatic. No blanket statements.
Quite late to the conversation but happy to stumble upon this. Thank you so much for hosting Wongel and for the open conversation. As a fellow Ethiopian married to a Kenyan for over 10 years, I share a lot of experiences with Wongel. It is actually as if we had the same experience. :) I respect her for her positive outlook and choosing to focus on her personal experience only but we have to acknowledge our shortcomings in order to move on. Despite the major language barrier and the cultural seclusion that the horn of Africa and specifically Ethiopia has, we have a huge problem with colorism and a very wrong superiority complex that comes from lack of exposure. That definitely does not apply to everyone but we have those problems in general that distort our views when it comes to integration (which doesn't necessarily mean marriage) with other African Nations and even just other Black People. Before we even go outside Ethiopia, the way we have looked down on the darker skin Ethiopians, in West and Southern Ethiopia is historically wrong. It is one thing to respect your culture and to choose to marry from your own community and it is another to do so because you think you are better. I bring this up not to dwell in these wrong ideas only but to acknowledge that this exists and we need to learn more about our neighbours, whom we have more in common than we think if we really want to talk about Pan Africanism. Not just hearsay on social media but true learning of who we are and who are our neighbours so we can work together.
The same here. What a small world. I see all the UA-cam Channels I'm subscribed to are all interconnected. Been following sister Wongel for awhile now. She's very genuine and I love her energy and her direction. Thanks Oshay for bringing her on. Much love.
@@Jazz-fg2dm It’s more or less the same reason, that the aristocratic tribes of the Great Lakes Tutsis and the Ugandan Hima don't interact much with Bantus in terms of marriage and business. These people are our cousins, the Cushites. The Habesha are basically Semitic-speaking but mostly Cushitic. The Afar, Somalis, Oromos, and Rendille in Ethiopia, Djibouti, and northern Kenya are Eastern Cushites, while the Hima Tutsi and Iraqw in the Great Lakes region are descendants of Southern Cushites. They are an ancient group of related people from the Savannah Nilotic culture that dominated the Horn of Africa and East Africa, extending as far south as South Africa. They spread their nomadic cattle and camel herding culture. They are genetically distinct and carry a Proto-Nilotic and Eurasian mix lineage that originated in Northeast Africa (Nile area). I’m Rwandan Tutsi myself, and my wife is Somali Kenyan-ethnically Somali but born in Kenya and raised in Paris. I think, overall, Africa and tribalism are part of our history. Prior to the Bantu expansion, Nilotics and Cushites were the original people of the land. The culture, genetics, history, and lifestyle are just very different from the agricultural West and Central African Bantu people who spread and now constitute the majority of Africa. The issue of "not being black" isn’t that deep because when did an African continent-wide identity reduce itself to a color? we never use to refer to ourselves as black, and if black refers to being negroid of Bantu or West African statute and pheontype, an Maasai, Tutsi, or Somali doesnt fit into that type of black. My people, the Tutsi, for the most part reject this term. We refer to ourselves by clan, nationality, and family lineage. The same goes for Somalis. Being labeled as "black" is a construct from Caucasian and Arab slave traders. You will never hear a dynastic Amhara Habesha in Ethiopia refer to themselves as black. African Americans and Caribbeans are black, black culture, black heritage, the word black was coined for them, and they embrace it. It has nothing to do with an Afar in Djibouti or an Ruling class BaHima in Western Uganda.
Agreed they used to talk about Ethiopia when I was I kid like it was the poorest country, then the internet showed us they have the most beautiful women in the world 😊
I totally agree with her theory. I'm from a country in central Africa, and married to an Ethiopian woman. They're not closed off, they just have a strong culture for historical reasons, and I love that. I did the Shimagilena ceremony, everything clean, in order, and we were fine 😅😘 . In the evening I was only shocked to eat the goat I brought alive in the morning 😢🤣😂
Fantastic lady, very beautiful lady. A great asset for Africa. It is always a great pleasure listening to her. Kwame Nkrumah would have been proud of her.
Her understanding of the racism from the African Americans dealing with it upfront and how they in Africa dealing with the invisible hand is the same example I used when Nigerians asked me the differences of dealing with them folk.
in Ethiopia we don't deal with racism. we don't interact with white people and have zero issues with them. She doesn't represent ethiopians at all. hardly anyone shares her sentiments, she is westernized
Congratulations Oshay that interview you did with Wongel was top notch I first saw an interview she did with Phil I love you guy’s Pan-Africanist views great interview and keep up the good work your questions were on point her answers were on point shout out to both of you !
For what it's worth, I'll share my opinion as an Ethiopian who lived in Kenya from the ripe age of 4 to 18 --and has been living in America for almost 20 years now.....majority of Ethiopians have a hard time assimilating with other cultures primarily due to colonial barriers (or lack thereof). For better or worse, most of our East African neighbors were colonized by the British and have a stronger command of the English language and adopted some Western sensibilities that can scale at both a regional and global level. And that's not even factoring Kiswahili which is shared by Kenyans, Tanzanians, some Ugandans and Rwandans We are the only country in Africa that was not colonized during the scramble for Africa. Also the only country in Africa to speak a language not spoken anywhere else in the world; which still has and utilizes it's own original alphabet system. Those things, among others, are a strong sense of pride that most Ethiopians point to and try to preserve.....and then couple that with a poor English curriculum that leaves most of the nation with barely any grasp of the English language. Ultimately, those are a lot of hurdles to overcome when Ethiopians migrate to another land. It ends up being a natural course of action to gravitate towards other Ethiopians first to get their bearings. By the time the bearings are gotten, a community is fostered and a comfort zone has been created. Its rare to find the first generation of Ethiopian immigrants mixing with others, but the second generation are different. I see it all the time here in the states now, even in my own extended family. There are more and more second generation Ethiopians mixing and marrying AAs, West Africans, Asians and Mexicans. The lack of colonial rule is a source of great pride, but its also left us a bit behind on some measurable scales...but we're catching up. Slowly but surely.
I have been following each of you through your respective channels. Although I barely comment, I have to say that the level of maturity and the genuine love you have for the people of Africa is remarquable; just the honesty if the both of you is unusual and very much appreciated. So, Keep fighting for Justice, against all sorts of discimination! Much Love from an African in Michigan.
I don’t see why people keep going on about Ethiopian’s not marrying outside of their culture. How many of them are from broken homes or divorced, not a lot! So they are doing something well 🤷🏾♀️ As long as they are not causing harm what’s the problem.
Please stop stereotyping because many blacks outside of Africa are married and children are doing well but when you believe what white media says then you will tend to have that mindset!
BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE PRIDE IN THEIR OWN. DUH. MARRIAGE IS A BIG DEAL WE ARE ORTHODOX TEWAHADOS ITS SERIOUS NOT A GAME WE DONT JUST COVERT OUT OF LUST.
Thanks Oshay for this great interview. Big up to your hard working of being Pro African and Uganda 🇺🇬. I’m glued to your Kenganda channel. Interesting points from Wongel, I am a fellow Pan African and would like to meet you one day in a free movement of Africa. Love from Namibia 🇳🇦
Awesome interview.. I've seen the lady's videos a bit and differed with her take on the rumor about us South Africans being involved in the Tigray conflict.. Overall, I must say she has a very engaging personality and she is eloquent enough to make you sit up and listen.. As a voracious reader I've followed Ethiopia from my study of the Bible to Graham Hancock's writings about the lost ark of the covenant, and the the way it is believed it might have been taken to Ethiopia anciently.. For this reason I am hoping to visit Ethiopia next year, and one very cute and favorite female Ethiopian vlogger of mine has made me desire to visit even more.. I am an older African man...but..🥰🥰.. I must say Ethiopian ladies are stunning... I guess you will agree brother..
I met a few Ethiopians last year through a fellowship program...and I was really surprised by the way we interacted which was contrary to the narrative that's ou tthere about them. And also seeing how isolated Ethiopians leave in Malawi, I always thought the narrative was true. The guys I met, very great and warm-hearted and we're still friends!
Greetings Shirleyhogue3853. You are so right. I had very positive interactions with the Ethiopian community in Washington DC overall. What's funny is that I had Ethiopians start speaking to me in Amharic when they meet me, and then switch to English when they saw that I didn't understand, lol.
Respectfully disagree. The relationship between Ethiopians and African Americans in DMV is ROCKY to say the least. Good luck trying to hook up with an Ethiopian woman in Skyline or Silver Spring. Ethiopians in DMV are a good and generous people but usually at a distance... if asked while some will identify as "black", plenty will identify as "Ethiopian" specifically to set themselves apart from African Americans. It takes WORK to break into the Ethiopian community as an outsider. Is it WORTH it? I'd like to think so and I have close Ethiopian friends but at the same time, I am usually THE ONLY AFRICAN AMERICAN in the Ethiopian circles I travel in... not because other African Americans wouldn't like to join but because it's not easy.
Like she said, people like familiarity. When you come to Minnesota, Liberians literally run Brooklyn Park. Brooklyn Park has the biggest population of Liberians than any other city in the US. Somalians are on the South side and the Ethiopians are most around West 7th Street in St. Paul. I moved here to Minnesota because of the large Liberian population. My aunt told me the population grew overtime because as people migrated from Liberia to the States, say if you knew that person, you encouraged them move here. I did that with 3 of my friends. When they came they were in Atlanta and I told them to move to Minnesota because there are opportunities here and lot of Liberians, it would feel like home. Because of the cold weather most people are surprised when they hear Minnesota has a large African population. The reason is economic. Minnesota has good paying jobs compared to most places that have good weather. Economic is the main reason Minnesota has lot of Africans.
I've spent the last 5 years living in Stockholm, Sweden and there is a large Somali/Ethiopian/Eritrean population here. I'm from the NYC area and never met a Somali in the over three decades that I lived there but, over here, many have family that live in Minnesota, specifically. I never knew that there was a connection between Liberians and Minnesota.
@@NOCDIB oh yea! We do have a huge population here. Im coming Sweeden soon. My homeboy lives out there. He just moved from Minnesota. He's based in Spain but spend time in Sweden a lot. I just got back from Madrid 3 weeks ago.
Why you keep push this habesha women narrative for views bro? For alogrithims? You causing alot of tension within and between communities for your personal gain!
@@KengandaWongel, you need to be fair . The reality is that everyone is just bad. You guys blame white people for everything and I don't like that. I don't. White are actually very, very good people. Wongel, black Americans will never accept you as their own. I have lived it. They will discriminate against if you are African. They will dehumanize you. They will call you dumb and uneducated. You have a way better chance of being treated better by white people. A black American told me to go back to Africa. Wongel, you are 100% wrong if you think black Americans would accept you. They say they are being treated harshly but then they turn around and treat other ppl like trash. Hypocrisy. When are they gonna get called out for their hypocrisy? When?
Great interview! it's sending such a positive message. That video Oshay put out about Meghan Good recently, very low vibrational. It makes no sense when ive just watched this video...
How does the family treat you? And did they disown your wife because she chose you? I ask because this is what me and my twin went through dating Ethiopian women in DC. And it still exists very much here in DC. But perhaps not as much as we move into 2025.
I'm African American married for 4 years been with my wife for 8, and I absolutely love my in-laws. I consider all of them to be my brothers and sisters from my other mother. However, I met my wife in Addis Ababa.
@@theblackcosmonaut2482 You're generally going to have problems in DC. The Ethiopians in DC are mostly "elite opportunists" compared to the ones in Ethiopia because American immigration (with the exception of the DV) filters out most "regular/average" Ethiopians. You can expect issues dating them for the same reason you might run into issues dating rich African Americans (or rich anyone else). That doesn't make them bad people necessarily. It just means that most of the time they aren't going to see you as one of them.
@@vmoney65 my aunt married an african american man in virginia. she's disowned and cut off from the family. Honestly, he's the nicest guy, more like a carlton banks nerdy dude, works for the gov't, straight arrow not some thug like 50 cent. Made no difference, aside from her sister, no one in the family talks to them. My uncle married a chinese woman in his 40s and everyone loved the girl/the family etc. everyone got along, the kids are loved by everybody and they're getting a home, land back home. My half african american cousins, nothing, i haven't even seen them in ages. Crazy how hip hop culture has ruined ya'll reputation. You can be educated, have a great job with the gov't etc. etc. and still everyone thinks, thug.
I am watching this video from South Africa 🇿🇦, west of Johannesburg. My brother I implore you to travel to africa, come experience how rich, open Africans are for yourself. It will do good for your own awakening journey. Thanks anyway for being bold by asking those questions. However the African world has moved 10 fold like the rest of the world. All of us must step out to experience each others world.
Ethiopians are VERY different and distinct culturally from other Black Africans. Did you even listen to anything Wongel said in the video?!? They are the only African country that was never colonized, which means their culture is a lot more insular and A LOT less Western influenced compared to many other Africans, and they are also a semetic people, so even though they are Black, there is significant Arab influence in their culture.
@Che-Guitarra They may have not been colonized directly, but they were definitely colonized indirectly by Arabs taking over their country, culture and genetics. You must be blind. They are visibly and genetically heavily mixed with Arab and some Italian. Their music, culture and traditions are heavy duplications of Arab culture. All that flat bread etc they eat. Their music doesn't sound African; it sounds middle eastern or indian, etc.They are the least African, in culture and phenotype, out of the Black dominated African countries. I also don't elrealistically cconsider them to be Black, but mixed. But keep lying to yourselves.
Let me share a real experience. I’m from U.S. but went to Ethiopia for 3 yrs., in 2010 thru 2013. Ethiopians were super nice and kind! I dated lovely Ethiopians and eventually married one and now have a 12 y.o. Son. In addition, I also remember a lovely Ethiopian lady married a young man from Kenya who was also living in Addis Ababa. Ethiopians are somewhat conservative, but typically your best chance of finding a lovely Ethiopian, would be visiting the country. As many ppl know once other races leave their native country, they change. Especially when they come to America.
Got my wife from Ethiopia we’re expecting our first child (daughter) in November will be headed back there for the birth will be staying for 4 months I live in Antioch CA but travel back and forth
I am an African American and as such I know there are "Some and Plenty" of African Americans that may not interfere with but will look side eye and perhaps even question an African American marrying anyone outside of our Black American Culture. Although I will admit that Black Americans are quick, sometimes too quick of accepting of others still there are many times when many other become confounded and skeptical of the idea of bringing others in who may think different from us.... Things being as such in all cultures and classes of people, I then ask, who are we as African American to question Ethiopians about their seclusion from other Africans when we as African Americans have our seclusionist also, in fact, all cultures and classes of people have those type that would like to live and socialize among their own
Here is what I would tell you: You are doing yourself a disservice if you allow the Ethiopians that you encounter in America to represent ALL Ethiopians everywhere including Ethiopia. The fact is that EVERYBODY MIXES depending upon circumstances and opportunities. This is a fact. Remember that KING SOLOMON was a JEWISH KING. By their definition MENELIK I would be considered a mixed child.
Beautiful lady! Well educated! Oshay is doing it! Very interesting interview. I don't agree with everything that was said, but I do believe that ALL Africans and African Americans need to come together as ONE. There's strength in numbers. We ALL have so much history and there's so much that we can ALL learn from each other.
Thank you for this interview Oshay. I've always enjoyed this Sister's channel videos. This was a good solid conversation 👌. I salute the both of y'all ❤
Well, all can be said but i believe it's not only about colonialism in other African countries that allow integration..i.e India was colonised by the British too but they are one of those communities that don't easly assimilate with other people even when they move to their countries. Thus Ethiopians/Eritreans / somalis etc have that in common. Even here in Canada in a country with multi culturalism these groups still live in their cultural norms. ''with due respect''its their way of life no execuses!
Ethiopians isn't an ethnicity Ethiopians isn't a race Ethopians are so diverses, linguistically, ethnically, phenoptypically, genotypically, religiously and culturally
I would like to bring up the topic of Ethiopia's initiative to plant 40 billion trees since 2019. They are doing an excellent job with this effort, and I’d appreciate your attention to it.
May YAH(GOD) continue to bless you Oshay, you putting in work for the community, for our people and it's been beautiful. Talking of beauty, Wongel Zelalem may you continue being blessed too
I get what Oshay was asking because I peeped that too in college. The Ethiopian & Eritrean females stuck with their own. Rarely you see them date outside their group. Which is understandable.
It's definitely not true. I have been overseas for years and dated quite a few of them, and alot of them are married to black dudes and white dudes back in the States. Probaly some of the easiest women to get with as for as the African nation.
East africans in general are more open to marrying other east africans than someone outside of east africa. But east africans marry within their tribe or culture. We in east africa have a very different demeanor quieter, reserved until we get comfortable around you. This is not only ethiopians but kenyans,rwandan,Uganda.
From my experience, East Africans in general are more welcoming than West Africans. I have always had good times with Ethiopians, Somalians, Kenyans. West Africans have been hit and miss. I know some cool Nigerians and people from Sierra Leone, but I've also met some real shady Nigerians and Senegalese.. Good interview, I'm glad you're back doing the long form conversations. I see her on the African Diaspora News Channel and she provides good content..
@AfricanMaverick That is an over generalization. West Africans have a huge Chriatuan population. It is not mostly Muslim. That would depend on the country.
@@AfricanMaverickYou misinterpreted what he said. He stated that East Africans are more welcoming to other Blacks, whereas West Africans tend to be hit or miss towards other Blacks. You also stated that East Africans are more Westernized, which is not the case given that Ethiopia tends to be more closed of to other cultures given that they were never colonized by Westerners and you do know that Christianity didn't start in Europe right? The oldest Christian Church is the Egyptian Orthodox Church in Alexandria, Egypt founded in 42 AD, followed by the Ethiopian Tewodros Orthodox Church. Two Churches that predates every Church in Europe.
I am a Black American. Every Ethiopian I have met in the U.S. has been extremely friendly. A man who worked in the local convenience store invited me to go with him to Ethiopia. I believe her about the language barrier because once they speak English they are open.
Every time when you walk around the streets of Africa.. All you see are beautiful black ⚫️ people going about their daily business and beautiful smiles 😂on their faces... For they don't know racism.. They don't know colorism.. For they are just very happy to be in a wonderful God given Continent..
When expressing your views or perspective, realize it is exactly that...."your View, and your perspective"...and possibly not others, and the other just might not give a dame about your view or perspective.
I have never seen an Ethiopian so much passionate about african issues like this girl. I always wondered what the reason might be. Now I know. She is married to a kenyan man and lives in kenya. One thing is clear she is not your typical ethiopian but I like her passion for africa.
Yes, I was also surprised when I first watched Wongel’s channel that she is pan African and normally Ethiopians don’t seem to care about African issues.
As someone who married an Ethiopian who I met in Addis Ababa and as someone who dated several Ethiopians in America, the main difference as far as I can tell is socioeconomic. Immigration is primarily an elite activity made more elite by the fact that America (with the exception of the DV) only allows "rich" _Africans_ in. That Ethiopian that you meet in college (education visa) or at your job (h1 visa) usually represent a higher socioeconomic class who came to America to exploit opportunities that weren't available to them in Ethiopia. Elite people usually keep to their own. In contrast, when an African American meets an Ethiopian in Ethiopia, he's meeting the regular population. I don't think that the "average" African American has much of a chance with an Ethiopian woman in AMERICA, an "elite" African American (abnormally successful) might. In all cases, it will help to learn about Ethiopian culture/history and to at least try to speak Amharic. (sometimes extra points for Oromingya where it applies) In America, I also think you'll find that successful marriage to Ethiopian women varies with the type of visa: DV being the most likely, family based being less likely, education or work being the least likely. I came to this conclusion from when I visited my American Ethiopian friends' homes in Addis. As Americans we see typically all Ethiopians as "the same" but in Ethiopia the economic "contrast" between elite and average economic classes can be stark. Most of my wife's friends would easily marry an American if he were a good person. I don't think any of my American Ethiopian friends would ever marry an American except maybe a white one (economics over race). At first I would attribute this to culture/religion but the Ethiopians in Ethiopia are every bit as culturally/religiously Ethiopian as the ones that have "made it" to America. The complimentary interview to watch relative to this subject is the interview Dynas Amir did with Ezra Berry, an African American who met and married his wife in Ethiopia. Lastly, all of these observations only apply to Ethiopian women. I have only met one Ethiopian man who married "outside" (of habesha) and that was to a German white woman.
She's "up live gorgeous"; not "drop dead gorgeous". I also hate when we people say; I will love you to death, but they need to say, I will love you for LIFE! There is a difference.
Oshay it's so sad how so many non-Ethiopians are concerned about who Ethiopians are marrying to the point where they have to guilt trip ethiopians into accepting them. It's honestly pathetic.
@delzi37 it's sad because a lot of AA women and West African women support this and they don't even realize they're being replaced in their own communities.
She's quite informed and knowledgeable. It's a survival trait. People tend to orientate themselves to people who look like them and repulse those who look different. On the extreme, it encourages tribalism, xenophobia, racism, homophobia, etc. Cultural in-groups. Even in universities we initially grouped ourselves in tribes but as our perspectives expanded with more interactions, we started making friends and even dating from outside. When people from my community move to the US, they tend to go Minnesota and Dallas, Texas because it makes it easier for them to settle and maintain "culture". Ethiopia may look more conservative because their history is very unique in the region. The Habeshas especially have been "enclosed" for years and successfully resisting colonization meant that their cultures weren't interfered with against their will.
We are told from a very young age not to bring any foreigners into the family. Ethiopians, for the most part only marry within their own culture. They may date outside of their culture for fun, but when it comes to marriage we will choose our own. There is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve your own culture and identify.
My Dad(Uganda) married an Ethiopian and had my Sister. Nobody had any issues with it. I think as Africans we are one people consindering humanity started in Africa so we are all interconnected
@@antiyttrad Bismilah. Your comment has a negative tone. I don't even think you're black. We're all black and from the same ancestry is the meaning if I may. We're not thousands of different peoples/ethnicities.
@@Abufaiq that's what white supremacists say to deny our diversity. AFrica is a continent with beautiful diversity. we are have the most diverse dna, africa is home to 2000 ethnicities and 3000 languages. why do you hate african diversity?.
Pan Africanism does not mean you have to breed yourself out of your own cultures and bloodlines. All self respecting peoples around the world marry within their culture and people for familiarity, comfort and to continue their ethnic group into the future. Just being black or African is not enough! We can’t help it if other black groups do not feel a sense of cultural pride and a need for self preservation.
You are right. Pan Africanism is about freedom, choice, and cooperation in the face of white supremacy. That said this is only a topic between African Americans and Ethiopians in America. In, UAE, in Bahrain, and in Ethiopia people just date the Ethiopians willing to date them back.
@@vmoney65 This is not just about people in America. This is how normal people operate everywhere in the world. Why would those places be any different?
@@solomonhaile4359 In the end, all I am saying is that mixing has occurred between different designations of humans for as long as humans have existed. Why is this controversial? People marry who they want to marry whether of their own group or of another group. Why does anyone think anyone _truly_ cares if some Ethiopians marry their own? No one is pressuring Ethiopians to marry anyone they don't want to marry but you wouldn't get that impression reading these comments. Just a quick reminder: King Solomon was a Jewish King. Makeda (the Queen of Sheba or whatever you call her) married out.
@@vmoney65 I’m actually trying to understand why people like African American men “truly care” about this topic myself. It seems they are always the ones bringing it up and making videos about it. All I’m saying is marrying within your own community is far more common. That’s the norm.
@@solomonhaile4359 I don't think they do because the reality is that most Americans black or otherwise cannot find Ethiopia on a map and outside of the communities with a large Ethiopian population, they are almost never mentioned at all. I think it is a popular topic in these circles for two reasons: 1) Haile Selassie is internationally recognized as one of the head on the Mt. Rushmore of Pan Africanists and 2) Beyond the beauty of Ethiopian women (because there are Beautiful women all over Africa) Ethiopians have earned themselves the reputation for not identifying as black especially in places such as America and South Africa where their prospects for success were established, enabled, and are maintained by _black_ people. The flaw in African American thinking that I see is that my community makes the mistake of judging all Ethiopians by the ones they encounter in America which are specifically the opportunists who left their friendlier more accepting, more welcoming, more generous countrymen back in Ethiopia. The truth of my experience is that if one goes to Ethiopia and expresses a genuine interest in its people and culture, they will actually HELP you integrate into it. That is a far cry from the standoffish, insular reports we get in conversations like this one. I am SURE that Wongel was one of the Ethiopians I describe and not so much one of the Ethiopians popularly described here. Furthermore a lot of men meet their Ethiopian wives in places like Bahrain, UAE or Saudi Arabia and I'm like: OF COURSE THEY DO because the Ethiopians in Bahrain, UAE and Saudi Arabia are WORKING CLASS. Those countries bring them in to work. America and the west do their best to keep those kind of Ethiopians out of our countries. For this reason, I tell Americans (unless they are white) not to expect to get anywhere with Ethiopians here although obviously some of you are still our genuine brothers and we thank and celebrate you as family.
I personally don't blame Ethiopians and other "horn " Africans for keeping to themselves; because they seem to have more SELF LOVE, and less need for validation and acceptance then other Africans.
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Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks
Did you delete my comments?
or did GGF7 delete my comment?
Anyways, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, l need you to do a video on some FBAs, profiting financially off promoting discord between FBAs and Africans via the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal Wars Beefs.
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, you reside in UG and you travel across East Africa and many Africans countries alot, so you know first hand that, FBAs reside in African countries.
However, some self interest FBAs on UA-cam, are spreading lies to FBAs in America that, all Africans in the continent are 🦝 and how all Africans hate FBAs (you know this is an outright lie, don't you Dr Oshay?).
Any rational Bl@©k persons knows, This is a false position.
There are 🦝 and undesirable elements in all branches of the African family Tree on earth.
Spreading lies by all sides, engaging in this WS sponsored anti-Bl@©k racist Disporal War Beefs, does nothing positive but sow discord among
Bl@©k folks from different branches of the African family Tree, globally.
Also, the amount of nonsense on UA-cam being spouted by these Disporal War Beefs cretins, about Bl@©k British folks (with regards to the N@zis riots in the UK) was pure lies and driven by Disporal Wars Beefs hatred of Bl@©k Britons in the UK, by some FBAs on UA-cam for financial gains.
This WS divide and conquer tactics, which many Bl@©k folks fall for, need to stop and you, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, are in a very good position to educate FBA folks (not unless, you intend to join the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal War Beef and profit off it, financially too).
WS GGF7 often delete my posts, every time, l post comment about Bl@©k unity and oppose WS anti-Bl@©k r@cism agenda against us as Africans descendants folks, globally.
@Kenganda
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks
Did you delete my comments?
or did GGF7 delete my comment?
Anyways, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, l need you to do a video on some FBAs, profiting financially off promoting discord between FBAs and Africans via the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal Wars Beefs.
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, you reside in UG and you travel across East Africa and many Africans countries alot, so you know first hand that, FBAs reside in African countries.
However, some self interest FBAs on UA-cam, are spreading lies to FBAs in America that, all Africans in the continent are 🦝 and how all Africans hate FBAs (you know this is an outright lie, don't you Dr Oshay?).
Any rational Bl@©k persons knows, This is a false position.
There are 🦝 and undesirable elements in all branches of the African family Tree on earth.
Spreading lies by all sides, engaging in this WS sponsored anti-Bl@©k racist Disporal War Beefs, does nothing positive but sow discord among
Bl@©k folks from different branches of the African family Tree, globally.
Also, the amount of nonsense on UA-cam being spouted by these Disporal War Beefs cretins, about Bl@©k British folks (with regards to the N@zis riots in the UK) was pure lies and driven by Disporal Wars Beefs hatred of Bl@©k Britons in the UK, by some FBAs on UA-cam for financial gains.
This WS divide and conquer tactics, which many Bl@©k folks fall for, need to stop and you, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, are in a very good position to educate FBA folks (not unless, you intend to join the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal War Beef and profit off it, financially too).
WS GGF7 often delete my posts, every time, l post comment about Bl@©k unity and oppose WS anti-Bl@©k r@cism agenda against us as Africans descendants folks, globally.
@Kenganda
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks
Did you delete my comments?
or did GGF7 delete my comment?
Anyways, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, l need you to do a video on some FBAs, profiting financially off promoting discord between FBAs and Africans via the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal Wars Beefs.
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, you reside in UG and you travel across East Africa and many Africans countries alot, so you know first hand that, FBAs reside in African countries.
However, some self interest FBAs on UA-cam, are spreading lies to FBAs in America that, all Africans in the continent are 🦝 and how all Africans hate FBAs (you know this is an outright lie, don't you Dr Oshay?).
Any rational Bl@©k persons knows, This is a false position.
There are 🦝 and undesirable elements in all branches of the African family Tree on earth.
Spreading lies by all sides, engaging in this WS sponsored anti-Bl@©k racist Disporal War Beefs, does nothing positive but sow discord among
Bl@©k folks from different branches of the African family Tree, globally.
Also, the amount of nonsense on UA-cam being spouted by these Disporal War Beefs cretins, about Bl@©k British folks (with regards to the N@zis riots in the UK) was pure lies and driven by Disporal Wars Beefs hatred of Bl@©k Britons in the UK, by some FBAs on UA-cam for financial gains.
This WS divide and conquer tactics, which many Bl@©k folks fall for, need to stop and you, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, are in a very good position to educate FBA folks (not unless, you intend to join the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal War Beef and profit off it, financially too).
WS GGF7 often delete my posts, every time, l post comment about Bl@©k unity and oppose WS anti-Bl@©k r@cism agenda against us as Africans descendants folks, globally.
@Kenganda
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks
Did you delete my comments?
or did GGF7 delete my comment?
Anyways, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, l need you to do a video on some FBAs, profiting financially off promoting discord between FBAs and Africans via the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal Wars Beefs.
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, you reside in UG and you travel across East Africa and many Africans countries alot, so you know first hand that, FBAs reside in African countries.
However, some self interest FBAs on UA-cam, are spreading lies to FBAs in America that, all Africans in the continent are 🦝 and how all Africans hate FBAs (you know this is an outright lie, don't you Dr Oshay?).
Any rational Bl@©k persons knows, This is a false position.
There are 🦝 and undesirable elements in all branches of the African family Tree on earth.
Spreading lies by all sides, engaging in this WS sponsored anti-Bl@©k racist Disporal War Beefs, does nothing positive but sow discord among
Bl@©k folks from different branches of the African family Tree, globally.
Also, the amount of nonsense on UA-cam being spouted by these Disporal War Beefs cretins, about Bl@©k British folks (with regards to the N@zis riots in the UK) was pure lies and driven by Disporal Wars Beefs hatred of Bl@©k Britons in the UK, by some FBAs on UA-cam for financial gains.
This WS divide and conquer tactics, which many Bl@©k folks fall for, need to stop and you, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, are in a very good position to educate FBA folks (not unless, you intend to join the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal War Beef and profit off it, financially too).
WS GGF7 often delete my posts, every time, l post comment about Bl@©k unity and oppose WS anti-Bl@©k r@cism agenda against us as Africans descendants folks, globally.
@Kenganda
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks
Did you delete my comments?
or did GGF7 delete my comment?
Anyways, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, l need you to do a video on some FBAs, profiting financially off promoting discord between FBAs and Africans via the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal Wars Beefs.
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, you reside in UG and you travel across East Africa and many Africans countries alot, so you know first hand that, FBAs reside in African countries.
However, some self interest FBAs on UA-cam, are spreading lies to FBAs in America that, all Africans in the continent are 🦝 and how all Africans hate FBAs (you know this is an outright lie, don't you Dr Oshay?).
Any rational Bl@©k persons knows, This is a false position.
There are 🦝 and undesirable elements in all branches of the African family Tree on earth.
Spreading lies by all sides, engaging in this WS sponsored anti-Bl@©k racist Disporal War Beefs, does nothing positive but sow discord among
Bl@©k folks from different branches of the African family Tree, globally.
Also, the amount of nonsense on UA-cam being spouted by these Disporal War Beefs cretins, about Bl@©k British folks (with regards to the N@zis riots in the UK) was pure lies and driven by Disporal Wars Beefs hatred of Bl@©k Britons in the UK, by some FBAs on UA-cam for financial gains.
This WS divide and conquer tactics, which many Bl@©k folks fall for, need to stop and you, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, are in a very good position to educate FBA folks (not unless, you intend to join the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal War Beef and profit off it, financially too).
WS GGF7 often delete my posts, every time, l post comment about Bl@©k unity and oppose WS anti-Bl@©k r@cism agenda against us as Africans descendants folks, globally.
Wongel, what an excellent pan African diplomat. She didn't entertain divisive narratives. Very important stance to take because we need African Unity like yesterday.
She is a hypocrite. She supports a brutal trabilist regime in Ethiopia that is responsible for the massacre of hundreds of thousands of civilians. While posing as an enlightened Pan Africanist on the outside, Wongel is a savage tribalist inside.
There was NEVER a time in history where "Africa" was united. You are delusional. Wongel is "a pan-African" because she's ignorant and is a total pariah for us Ethiopians. "Pan-Africanism" is a foreign myth devised by Western slave descendants of West Africa. Ethiopia and the Horn of Africa have nothing to do with sub-Saharan Africa.
Does not help. YOu can sink your head in the sand, but it is not a secret that Ethiopians/horn of africans flock together in a way that makes them stand out from other Africans
Wongel, በጣም ደስ የሚል ነገር ነው እያረግሽ ያለሸው ነገር ተባረኪ የኔ ዉድ.
God bless our sister and ethopia
We as Africans should always stand with Ethiopian people. God
Loves them
Wongel is very intelligent and refreshing to listen too. As someone born in the States, I have to say Ethiopians I've met have been the most humble sweet welcoming people from New Orleans, New York, and Atlanta. Beautiful intelligent people. Can't wait to visit. We need more Wongel 🪷
I’m proud of you brother oshay. Good to see you building your empire.
haha thanks!
Brilliant young lady! Thoroughly enjoyed this talk!
As soon as I sen Wongel, I had to click my brotha.
Great video and discussion, guys. I was born in the Caribbean but live in the US ...we really need to all come together as ONE people for real. We need our own USA ...United States of Africa!
This is an excellent conversation. I mean Dope. A King African American man and a Queen from Ethiopia talking these differences. Need more
Thank you for sharing your perspective! Jamaica indeed has a unique history and culture, and it’s essential to recognize the contributions of different countries. While Africa faces challenges related to tribalism and differences, there are also efforts toward unity and progress. Let’s continue celebrating the rich diversity across the continent and work toward a more united future! 😊
You meant to say Ethiopia right, not Jamaica?
I have watched this fabulous lady grow. She is the future of Africa.
No, she is not. She may pretend to be a pan Africanist to you, but for us she is evil. She supports the brutal Oromo tribalist regime of Abiy Ahmed.
@@daaam-fy9lzwhat ?????? Wongel is evil ??????
Thank you sister for the great explanations about our culture, proud to be African and Ethiopian
I LOVE how Wongel answers these questions, she doesn’t try to speak to everyone’s experience and makes it clear what her experience was and makes the connection that maybe there are some Ethiopians that may have felt the same way. It’s very diplomatic. No blanket statements.
Quite late to the conversation but happy to stumble upon this. Thank you so much for hosting Wongel and for the open conversation. As a fellow Ethiopian married to a Kenyan for over 10 years, I share a lot of experiences with Wongel. It is actually as if we had the same experience. :) I respect her for her positive outlook and choosing to focus on her personal experience only but we have to acknowledge our shortcomings in order to move on. Despite the major language barrier and the cultural seclusion that the horn of Africa and specifically Ethiopia has, we have a huge problem with colorism and a very wrong superiority complex that comes from lack of exposure. That definitely does not apply to everyone but we have those problems in general that distort our views when it comes to integration (which doesn't necessarily mean marriage) with other African Nations and even just other Black People. Before we even go outside Ethiopia, the way we have looked down on the darker skin Ethiopians, in West and Southern Ethiopia is historically wrong. It is one thing to respect your culture and to choose to marry from your own community and it is another to do so because you think you are better. I bring this up not to dwell in these wrong ideas only but to acknowledge that this exists and we need to learn more about our neighbours, whom we have more in common than we think if we really want to talk about Pan Africanism. Not just hearsay on social media but true learning of who we are and who are our neighbours so we can work together.
❤ Thanks for the beautiful discussion, so very true again thank you very much.
Excellent guest. She is no stranger to me.
The same here.
What a small world. I see all the UA-cam Channels I'm subscribed to are all interconnected.
Been following sister Wongel for awhile now. She's very genuine and I love her energy and her direction.
Thanks Oshay for bringing her on.
Much love.
@@Jazz-fg2dmhow are you doing in Belgium?
@@Jazz-fg2dm It’s more or less the same reason, that the aristocratic tribes of the Great Lakes Tutsis and the Ugandan Hima don't interact much with Bantus in terms of marriage and business. These people are our cousins, the Cushites. The Habesha are basically Semitic-speaking but mostly Cushitic. The Afar, Somalis, Oromos, and Rendille in Ethiopia, Djibouti, and northern Kenya are Eastern Cushites, while the Hima Tutsi and Iraqw in the Great Lakes region are descendants of Southern Cushites.
They are an ancient group of related people from the Savannah Nilotic culture that dominated the Horn of Africa and East Africa, extending as far south as South Africa. They spread their nomadic cattle and camel herding culture. They are genetically distinct and carry a Proto-Nilotic and Eurasian mix lineage that originated in Northeast Africa (Nile area).
I’m Rwandan Tutsi myself, and my wife is Somali Kenyan-ethnically Somali but born in Kenya and raised in Paris. I think, overall, Africa and tribalism are part of our history. Prior to the Bantu expansion, Nilotics and Cushites were the original people of the land. The culture, genetics, history, and lifestyle are just very different from the agricultural West and Central African Bantu people who spread and now constitute the majority of Africa.
The issue of "not being black" isn’t that deep because when did an African continent-wide identity reduce itself to a color? we never use to refer to ourselves as black, and if black refers to being negroid of Bantu or West African statute and pheontype, an Maasai, Tutsi, or Somali doesnt fit into that type of black. My people, the Tutsi, for the most part reject this term. We refer to ourselves by clan, nationality, and family lineage. The same goes for Somalis. Being labeled as "black" is a construct from Caucasian and Arab slave traders. You will never hear a dynastic Amhara Habesha in Ethiopia refer to themselves as black.
African Americans and Caribbeans are black, black culture, black heritage, the word black was coined for them, and they embrace it. It has nothing to do with an Afar in Djibouti or an Ruling class BaHima in Western Uganda.
@@Jazz-fg2dm nice I live in the states. I’m in Iowa . I live in a small town called storm Lake. It’s a Nice cool area.
WOW! Sister Wongel is highly smart, intelligent, and gorgeous! AMEN-ASE!
Ethiopian women are top tier in gorgeousness
Stop simpin
Agreed they used to talk about Ethiopia when I was I kid like it was the poorest country, then the internet showed us they have the most beautiful women in the world 😊
Some are some ain't.😂
@@P_Crizzy360would you still say that if they were 7 shades darker?😂
@@Negrossiahwhen you mature and become a man you will start to appreciate the beauty of a woman
I totally agree with her theory. I'm from a country in central Africa, and married to an Ethiopian woman. They're not closed off, they just have a strong culture for historical reasons, and I love that. I did the Shimagilena ceremony, everything clean, in order, and we were fine 😅😘 . In the evening I was only shocked to eat the goat I brought alive in the morning 😢🤣😂
😅😅😅😂
If you and your wife are happy together, the only thing anyone else should be is happy for you. Count me among your congratulators.
@Ãbđī-v7q And there is nothing you can do about it 😘
You are level headed, I respect that ❤️
Fantastic lady, very beautiful lady. A great asset for Africa. It is always a great pleasure listening to her. Kwame Nkrumah would have been proud of her.
I absolutely love this episode. The African Diaspora is a beautiful thing. ONE LOVE PEOPLE. ✊🏾 🌍
Great interview. Congrats and Thanks. 👍🏽👏🏽
Her understanding of the racism from the African Americans dealing with it upfront and how they in Africa dealing with the invisible hand is the same example I used when Nigerians asked me the differences of dealing with them folk.
This comment! 💯
But in Nigeria i taught tribalism was the big enemy
in Ethiopia we don't deal with racism. we don't interact with white people and have zero issues with them. She doesn't represent ethiopians at all. hardly anyone shares her sentiments, she is westernized
What do you define as Tribalism?
Also, do you know the history of so called nigeria (which isn't a country in the first place)?
@@gibson2675
Try telling nigerians that
Congratulations Oshay that interview you did with Wongel was top notch I first saw an interview she did with Phil I love you guy’s Pan-Africanist views great interview and keep up the good work your questions were on point her answers were on point shout out to both of you !
Thank you so much
This lady is so smart. I’m subscribing to your channel. Thanks for the positivity
For what it's worth, I'll share my opinion as an Ethiopian who lived in Kenya from the ripe age of 4 to 18 --and has been living in America for almost 20 years now.....majority of Ethiopians have a hard time assimilating with other cultures primarily due to colonial barriers (or lack thereof). For better or worse, most of our East African neighbors were colonized by the British and have a stronger command of the English language and adopted some Western sensibilities that can scale at both a regional and global level. And that's not even factoring Kiswahili which is shared by Kenyans, Tanzanians, some Ugandans and Rwandans
We are the only country in Africa that was not colonized during the scramble for Africa. Also the only country in Africa to speak a language not spoken anywhere else in the world; which still has and utilizes it's own original alphabet system. Those things, among others, are a strong sense of pride that most Ethiopians point to and try to preserve.....and then couple that with a poor English curriculum that leaves most of the nation with barely any grasp of the English language.
Ultimately, those are a lot of hurdles to overcome when Ethiopians migrate to another land. It ends up being a natural course of action to gravitate towards other Ethiopians first to get their bearings. By the time the bearings are gotten, a community is fostered and a comfort zone has been created. Its rare to find the first generation of Ethiopian immigrants mixing with others, but the second generation are different. I see it all the time here in the states now, even in my own extended family. There are more and more second generation Ethiopians mixing and marrying AAs, West Africans, Asians and Mexicans.
The lack of colonial rule is a source of great pride, but its also left us a bit behind on some measurable scales...but we're catching up. Slowly but surely.
I am proud of ethiopians because they ended famine
Excellent explanation
It's mainly the women mixing not the men. The women don't value their culture as much.
Thanks for the history lesson and explanation. Well said.
If you happen to be black there are many other things you should be proud about Ethiopia. BTW there is still hunger and insecurity in Ethiopia.
I have been following each of you through your respective channels. Although I barely comment, I have to say that the level of maturity and the genuine love you have for the people of Africa is remarquable; just the honesty if the both of you is unusual and very much appreciated.
So, Keep fighting for Justice, against all sorts of discimination!
Much Love from an African in Michigan.
I am Black American and my wife is Eritrean/Ethiopian. We have been married for 20 years. We live in NYC.
Did you guys meet in NYC?
@@worldtraveler3560 Yes . NYC is a melting pot. So the chances of different cultures connecting are greater.
@@tre2000 I'm am in LA. Maybe I should try to meet an Ethopian sista here. We have Little Ethopia. Nevertheless, congrats brotha!
Eritrean or Ethiopian? You put both up
@@BBGL02maybe she has 1 parent from each country 😊
I don’t see why people keep going on about Ethiopian’s not marrying outside of their culture. How many of them are from broken homes or divorced, not a lot! So they are doing something well 🤷🏾♀️ As long as they are not causing harm what’s the problem.
@@soulspirationgoddess you do understand why right?
This
Please stop stereotyping because many blacks outside of Africa are married and children are doing well but when you believe what white media says then you will tend to have that mindset!
@@cush5147 did I mention Black Americans
BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE PRIDE IN THEIR OWN. DUH. MARRIAGE IS A BIG DEAL WE ARE ORTHODOX TEWAHADOS ITS SERIOUS NOT A GAME WE DONT JUST COVERT OUT OF LUST.
Thank you sis for representing us very well
Thanks Oshay for this great interview. Big up to your hard working of being Pro African and Uganda 🇺🇬. I’m glued to your Kenganda channel.
Interesting points from Wongel, I am a fellow Pan African and would like to meet you one day in a free movement of Africa.
Love from Namibia 🇳🇦
Always a pleasure to hear Wongel speak, thanks for sharing
Awesome interview.. I've seen the lady's videos a bit and differed with her take on the rumor about us South Africans being involved in the Tigray conflict.. Overall, I must say she has a very engaging personality and she is eloquent enough to make you sit up and listen.. As a voracious reader I've followed Ethiopia from my study of the Bible to Graham Hancock's writings about the lost ark of the covenant, and the the way it is believed it might have been taken to Ethiopia anciently.. For this reason I am hoping to visit Ethiopia next year, and one very cute and favorite female Ethiopian vlogger of mine has made me desire to visit even more.. I am an older African man...but..🥰🥰.. I must say Ethiopian ladies are stunning... I guess you will agree brother..
Good on you both. Nice interview. Following from Kenya.
I met a few Ethiopians last year through a fellowship program...and I was really surprised by the way we interacted which was contrary to the narrative that's ou tthere about them. And also seeing how isolated Ethiopians leave in Malawi, I always thought the narrative was true. The guys I met, very great and warm-hearted and we're still friends!
We will unite as a people. Great discussion.
No thanks Ethiopia will continue as a nation we have stood for thousands of years we're not stopping that for other Africans/blacks to feel relevant!
As an Eritrean, I care only about the horn of Africa. We don't want your unity.
@@jhonywalker1168 💯💯💯💯
This was a great interview. The woman looks very professional and her point of view came across perfect. 👍🏾 Great episode Oshay. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I love Wongel... she is so sweet. ❤️ I wish more Ethiopians were like her.
She always brings good news insight on the African Diaspora News Channel. Very lovely woman!
Excellent content. Keep up the extraordinarily work.🦁
Beautiful Ethiopian Women Are Royal & Loyal So Pleasing 2 The Eyes 👑💕🖤💚🔥🌍😍
Can’t co-sign loyal but they definitely are top-tier
The way she shuts down his prejudices is too classy for the brother 😅. He doesn’t even realize it 😅😅
it is not an indepth interview
This is much better than celebrity gossip. This is educational!
Wonderful insights into the life of one of our favorite YT Pan-African reporters. Good job to you both!
Ethiopians in Washington DC are the kindest most loving people.
Oh please
Greetings Shirleyhogue3853. You are so right. I had very positive interactions with the Ethiopian community in Washington DC overall. What's funny is that I had Ethiopians start speaking to me in Amharic when they meet me, and then switch to English when they saw that I didn't understand, lol.
@Arif-v9q how so?
You know the USA heavily vets what type of African people come to America and more than likely it's the fall inline get along type
Respectfully disagree. The relationship between Ethiopians and African Americans in DMV is ROCKY to say the least. Good luck trying to hook up with an Ethiopian woman in Skyline or Silver Spring. Ethiopians in DMV are a good and generous people but usually at a distance... if asked while some will identify as "black", plenty will identify as "Ethiopian" specifically to set themselves apart from African Americans. It takes WORK to break into the Ethiopian community as an outsider. Is it WORTH it? I'd like to think so and I have close Ethiopian friends but at the same time, I am usually THE ONLY AFRICAN AMERICAN in the Ethiopian circles I travel in... not because other African Americans wouldn't like to join but because it's not easy.
Like she said, people like familiarity. When you come to Minnesota, Liberians literally run Brooklyn Park. Brooklyn Park has the biggest population of Liberians than any other city in the US. Somalians are on the South side and the Ethiopians are most around West 7th Street in St. Paul. I moved here to Minnesota because of the large Liberian population. My aunt told me the population grew overtime because as people migrated from Liberia to the States, say if you knew that person, you encouraged them move here. I did that with 3 of my friends. When they came they were in Atlanta and I told them to move to Minnesota because there are opportunities here and lot of Liberians, it would feel like home. Because of the cold weather most people are surprised when they hear Minnesota has a large African population. The reason is economic. Minnesota has good paying jobs compared to most places that have good weather. Economic is the main reason Minnesota has lot of Africans.
You are 2000% right. I lived in Minnesota for over 20 years.
I've spent the last 5 years living in Stockholm, Sweden and there is a large Somali/Ethiopian/Eritrean population here. I'm from the NYC area and never met a Somali in the over three decades that I lived there but, over here, many have family that live in Minnesota, specifically. I never knew that there was a connection between Liberians and Minnesota.
@@NOCDIB oh yea! We do have a huge population here. Im coming Sweeden soon. My homeboy lives out there. He just moved from Minnesota. He's based in Spain but spend time in Sweden a lot. I just got back from Madrid 3 weeks ago.
Yeah lol! That’s why I go to Brooklyn park to get jollof rice 🤣🇩🇯
Really enjoyed this ODJ, she is a great guest. Do a part #2.
Great interview and I’m proud of Wongel. She’s come a mighty long way 😂. I’m proud of your development also Oshay. What kind of wine are you drinking?
RED DRY!!! LOL
Mad Dog 20/20 imported from the south of Oakland.
Why you keep push this habesha women narrative for views bro? For alogrithims? You causing alot of tension within and between communities for your personal gain!
@@KengandaWongel, you need to be fair . The reality is that everyone is just bad. You guys blame white people for everything and I don't like that. I don't. White are actually very, very good people. Wongel, black Americans will never accept you as their own. I have lived it. They will discriminate against if you are African. They will dehumanize you. They will call you dumb and uneducated. You have a way better chance of being treated better by white people. A black American told me to go back to Africa.
Wongel, you are 100% wrong if you think black Americans would accept you. They say they are being treated harshly but then they turn around and treat other ppl like trash. Hypocrisy. When are they gonna get called out for their hypocrisy? When?
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Wongel, we love you, from Congo
Great interview! it's sending such a positive message. That video Oshay put out about Meghan Good recently, very low vibrational. It makes no sense when ive just watched this video...
I’m African American married to an Ethiopian now for 2 yrs
How does the family treat you? And did they disown your wife because she chose you? I ask because this is what me and my twin went through dating Ethiopian women in DC. And it still exists very much here in DC. But perhaps not as much as we move into 2025.
I'm African American married for 4 years been with my wife for 8, and I absolutely love my in-laws. I consider all of them to be my brothers and sisters from my other mother. However, I met my wife in Addis Ababa.
@@theblackcosmonaut2482 You're generally going to have problems in DC. The Ethiopians in DC are mostly "elite opportunists" compared to the ones in Ethiopia because American immigration (with the exception of the DV) filters out most "regular/average" Ethiopians. You can expect issues dating them for the same reason you might run into issues dating rich African Americans (or rich anyone else). That doesn't make them bad people necessarily. It just means that most of the time they aren't going to see you as one of them.
@@theblackcosmonaut2482 why not just date your own women? why do you hate your own women so much?
@@vmoney65 my aunt married an african american man in virginia. she's disowned and cut off from the family. Honestly, he's the nicest guy, more like a carlton banks nerdy dude, works for the gov't, straight arrow not some thug like 50 cent. Made no difference, aside from her sister, no one in the family talks to them.
My uncle married a chinese woman in his 40s and everyone loved the girl/the family etc. everyone got along, the kids are loved by everybody and they're getting a home, land back home.
My half african american cousins, nothing, i haven't even seen them in ages.
Crazy how hip hop culture has ruined ya'll reputation. You can be educated, have a great job with the gov't etc. etc. and still everyone thinks, thug.
I am watching this video from South Africa 🇿🇦, west of Johannesburg. My brother I implore you to travel to africa, come experience how rich, open Africans are for yourself. It will do good for your own awakening journey. Thanks anyway for being bold by asking those questions. However the African world has moved 10 fold like the rest of the world. All of us must step out to experience each others world.
He lives in Africa lol. Uganda
Always thought Ethiopian women were gorgeous. She's no exception.
Wegelye🥰 u are a genuine and smart girl, much love from Addis❤
she speaks so well. I love her energy
Kenya is the United States of Africa. Am a Liberian who will be moving to Kenya from America. I just love my Kenyans people
I advise you to move to Liberia or any other country in West Africa you will fit and get along well with your people
Nairobi is one of the best cities on the continent. Top tier nightlife, Safari, Friendly women, Tech boom, plus you have islands like Lamu Island
I disagree. South Africa is the "United States of Africa". Kenya would definitely be the next in line for that title, though.
@wisdomwisdom8882 😂 so what you gonna do if he doesn't.
@@Che-GuitarraLol, most South Africans are xenophobic. Kenyans are welcoming and embrace all Africans. There are truly the United states of Africa.
Fantastic interview well done❤.
I think most African communities are conservative in their own ways, Ethiopians are not different from the other Africans.
Exactly 💯
❤️❤️❤️
Ethiopians are VERY different and distinct culturally from other Black Africans. Did you even listen to anything Wongel said in the video?!? They are the only African country that was never colonized, which means their culture is a lot more insular and A LOT less Western influenced compared to many other Africans, and they are also a semetic people, so even though they are Black, there is significant Arab influence in their culture.
Very very very different.
@Che-Guitarra They may have not been colonized directly, but they were definitely colonized indirectly by Arabs taking over their country, culture and genetics. You must be blind. They are visibly and genetically heavily mixed with Arab and some Italian. Their music, culture and traditions are heavy duplications of Arab culture. All that flat bread etc they eat. Their music doesn't sound African; it sounds middle eastern or indian, etc.They are the least African, in culture and phenotype, out of the Black dominated African countries. I also don't elrealistically cconsider them to be Black, but mixed. But keep lying to yourselves.
This lady is one of the best journalist on panafricanist issues
GREAT questions Oshay my man! Your interview skills are leveling up!
Too much race question. We have adapted the culture for thousands of years.
Let me share a real experience. I’m from U.S. but went to Ethiopia for 3 yrs., in 2010 thru 2013. Ethiopians were super nice and kind! I dated lovely Ethiopians and eventually married one and now have a 12 y.o. Son. In addition, I also remember a lovely Ethiopian lady married a young man from Kenya who was also living in Addis Ababa. Ethiopians are somewhat conservative, but typically your best chance of finding a lovely Ethiopian, would be visiting the country. As many ppl know once other races leave their native country, they change. Especially when they come to America.
That's amazing how is the food, is it all raw and will they be offended if you refuse to eat?
Excellent interview,....a glimpse into the culture we rarely see...
🫡great interview. I love Wongel she is very cool and informative!
Got my wife from Ethiopia we’re expecting our first child (daughter) in November will be headed back there for the birth will be staying for 4 months I live in Antioch CA but travel back and forth
I am an African American and as such I know there are "Some and Plenty" of African Americans that may not interfere with but will look side eye and perhaps even question an African American marrying anyone outside of our Black American Culture. Although I will admit that Black Americans are quick, sometimes too quick of accepting of others still there are many times when many other become confounded and skeptical of the idea of bringing others in who may think different from us.... Things being as such in all cultures and classes of people, I then ask, who are we as African American to question Ethiopians about their seclusion from other Africans when we as African Americans have our seclusionist also, in fact, all cultures and classes of people have those type that would like to live and socialize among their own
Here is what I would tell you: You are doing yourself a disservice if you allow the Ethiopians that you encounter in America to represent ALL Ethiopians everywhere including Ethiopia. The fact is that EVERYBODY MIXES depending upon circumstances and opportunities. This is a fact. Remember that KING SOLOMON was a JEWISH KING. By their definition MENELIK I would be considered a mixed child.
Bro no we dont your so weird and cringe leave us alone with that fairy tale.
@@vmoney65King Solomon was an Israelite. Queen of Sheba was an Israelite. Ménélik was an Israelite.
Let us as Africans and African descendants change the narrative and unite .
PAN Africanism and educating our fellow Africans.
@@ronaldbuke5775 your people are saying they are not African descendants. Start from there
Beautiful lady! Well educated! Oshay is doing it! Very interesting interview. I don't agree with everything that was said, but I do believe that ALL Africans and African Americans need to come together as ONE. There's strength in numbers. We ALL have so much history and there's so much that we can ALL learn from each other.
Thank you for this interview Oshay. I've always enjoyed this Sister's channel videos.
This was a good solid conversation 👌.
I salute the both of y'all ❤
Well, all can be said but i believe it's not only about colonialism in other African countries that allow integration..i.e India was colonised by the British too but they are one of those communities that don't easly assimilate with other people even when they move to their countries. Thus Ethiopians/Eritreans / somalis etc have that in common. Even here in Canada in a country with multi culturalism these groups still live in their cultural norms. ''with due respect''its their way of life no execuses!
Ethiopians isn't an ethnicity
Ethiopians isn't a race
Ethopians are so diverses, linguistically, ethnically, phenoptypically, genotypically, religiously and culturally
Someone understands us well. Smart man posted this comment.
I would like to bring up the topic of Ethiopia's initiative to plant 40 billion trees since 2019. They are doing an excellent job with this effort, and I’d appreciate your attention to it.
Very interesting interview. I love the energy and the vision to bring the community together.
May YAH(GOD) continue to bless you Oshay, you putting in work for the community, for our people and it's been beautiful. Talking of beauty, Wongel Zelalem may you continue being blessed too
thanks so much brother!
Most enjoyable interaction- Interview, en fact, Ms. Wongel is an excellent commentator and communicator! 👍🏽
I enjoyed the interview!
I get what Oshay was asking because I peeped that too in college. The Ethiopian & Eritrean females stuck with their own. Rarely you see them date outside their group. Which is understandable.
not true. i saw alot of them with white guys in Europe and U.S. .
Not true? Or do you mean you had a different experience. @nathankenny9278
It's definitely not true. I have been overseas for years and dated quite a few of them, and alot of them are married to black dudes and white dudes back in the States. Probaly some of the easiest women to get with as for as the African nation.
I know a Ethiopian that's pregnant with a black dude. Shes a 9 in the face. No bullshit at all
@young_ottiwu, you seem angry, why? Some black men can’t handle when they are pushed away!
East africans in general are more open to marrying other east africans than someone outside of east africa. But east africans marry within their tribe or culture. We in east africa have a very different demeanor quieter, reserved until we get comfortable around you. This is not only ethiopians but kenyans,rwandan,Uganda.
Wongel is a beautiful person both inside and outside; I love her spirit.
Nah, she is a pretender. She supports a brutal tribalist Oromo regime in Ethiopia while masquerading as a pan-Africanist.
Great show. Thank you Wongel you are amazing 🤩
From my experience, East Africans in general are more welcoming than West Africans. I have always had good times with Ethiopians, Somalians, Kenyans. West Africans have been hit and miss. I know some cool Nigerians and people from Sierra Leone, but I've also met some real shady Nigerians and Senegalese.. Good interview, I'm glad you're back doing the long form conversations. I see her on the African Diaspora News Channel and she provides good content..
That's right. We West Africans are Muslim and conservative, while East Africans are Christian and Westernized. We prefer to mingle with our own.
@AfricanMaverick That is an over generalization. West Africans have a huge Chriatuan population. It is not mostly Muslim. That would depend on the country.
How many West African nations have you been to? Or are you saying meeting them outside of their countries?
@@AfricanMaverickYou misinterpreted what he said. He stated that East Africans are more welcoming to other Blacks, whereas West Africans tend to be hit or miss towards other Blacks. You also stated that East Africans are more Westernized, which is not the case given that Ethiopia tends to be more closed of to other cultures given that they were never colonized by Westerners and you do know that Christianity didn't start in Europe right? The oldest Christian Church is the Egyptian Orthodox Church in Alexandria, Egypt founded in 42 AD, followed by the Ethiopian Tewodros Orthodox Church. Two Churches that predates every Church in Europe.
@@tkctkc5805 I see. Thanks for clarifying.
I am a Black American. Every Ethiopian I have met in the U.S. has been extremely friendly. A man who worked in the local convenience store invited me to go with him to Ethiopia. I believe her about the language barrier because once they speak English they are open.
@@Miss-Ann-Thrope the same once you speak a little Amharic
Every time when you walk around the streets of Africa.. All you see are beautiful black ⚫️ people going about their daily business and beautiful smiles 😂on their faces...
For they don't know racism..
They don't know colorism..
For they are just very happy to be in a wonderful God given Continent..
Salute to Wongel! Her spirit guided her to watch the right videos. She could have spent that time watching cats or music videos. Chosen.
When expressing your views or perspective, realize it is exactly that...."your View, and your perspective"...and possibly not others, and the other just might not give a dame about your view or perspective.
I have never seen an Ethiopian so much passionate about african issues like this girl. I always wondered what the reason might be. Now I know. She is married to a kenyan man and lives in kenya. One thing is clear she is not your typical ethiopian but I like her passion for africa.
Yes, I was also surprised when I first watched Wongel’s channel that she is pan African and normally Ethiopians don’t seem to care about African issues.
she is westernized and hardly ethiopian in her being.
she's a fraud that's why
GIRL? She's a classy, beautiful, wise, and intelligent LADY!
I was also surprised by her perspective so refreshing and hopeful for Africa
Wongel was one of my crushes til I found out she was married 😔😄
To white or another black man?!!!
To a brotha or a Yt man?
@@HulkMode365days she's married to a kenyan
why don't you like black american women?
@@Ed-xv4sycause they’re always angry and argumentative plus they act like men.
As someone who married an Ethiopian who I met in Addis Ababa and as someone who dated several Ethiopians in America, the main difference as far as I can tell is socioeconomic. Immigration is primarily an elite activity made more elite by the fact that America (with the exception of the DV) only allows "rich" _Africans_ in. That Ethiopian that you meet in college (education visa) or at your job (h1 visa) usually represent a higher socioeconomic class who came to America to exploit opportunities that weren't available to them in Ethiopia. Elite people usually keep to their own. In contrast, when an African American meets an Ethiopian in Ethiopia, he's meeting the regular population. I don't think that the "average" African American has much of a chance with an Ethiopian woman in AMERICA, an "elite" African American (abnormally successful) might. In all cases, it will help to learn about Ethiopian culture/history and to at least try to speak Amharic. (sometimes extra points for Oromingya where it applies)
In America, I also think you'll find that successful marriage to Ethiopian women varies with the type of visa: DV being the most likely, family based being less likely, education or work being the least likely. I came to this conclusion from when I visited my American Ethiopian friends' homes in Addis. As Americans we see typically all Ethiopians as "the same" but in Ethiopia the economic "contrast" between elite and average economic classes can be stark. Most of my wife's friends would easily marry an American if he were a good person. I don't think any of my American Ethiopian friends would ever marry an American except maybe a white one (economics over race). At first I would attribute this to culture/religion but the Ethiopians in Ethiopia are every bit as culturally/religiously Ethiopian as the ones that have "made it" to America.
The complimentary interview to watch relative to this subject is the interview Dynas Amir did with Ezra Berry, an African American who met and married his wife in Ethiopia. Lastly, all of these observations only apply to Ethiopian women. I have only met one Ethiopian man who married "outside" (of habesha) and that was to a German white woman.
I'm also married to an Ethiopian, and I'm friends with Ezra Berry as well, and I agree 100% with your analysis.
None of your relationships will be accepted in the habesha community.
Slave Mentality
@@jnorm888how is the food is it raw and where did you guys meet your wives
Love , love, love the way she thinks. Very articulate. Love u my African sis❤
shoutout to Oshay for loving EastAfrica, we appreciate the good work you are doing in the region
Wongel is drop dead gorgeous
She’s pretty not drop dead tho because you’re still living😂😂😂Stop being desperate.
She's "up live gorgeous"; not "drop dead gorgeous". I also hate when we people say; I will love you to death, but they need to say, I will love you for LIFE! There is a difference.
@@NubianKing-y3y 😂😂😂
@@massdisruption3437oh my, is everything good at home?
Hahahahaha @@aledomer6805
Hey sister Wongel !
YOUR BOY IS OUT HERE TRYING TO BUILD IT UP!
@@KengandaI see you
Dr Oshay D💩💩kie Jacks, you cheek clapping KG.
On the real though, nice interview, having her on.
@@Kenganda
@@RoderickSpode we trying!
@@Kenganda
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks
Did you delete my comments?
or did GGF7 delete my comment?
Anyways, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, l need you to do a video on some FBAs, profiting financially off promoting discord between FBAs and Africans via the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal Wars Beefs.
Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, you reside in UG and you travel across East Africa and many Africans countries alot, so you know first hand that, FBAs reside in African countries.
However, some self interest FBAs on UA-cam, are spreading lies to FBAs in America that, all Africans in the continent are 🦝 and how all Africans hate FBAs (you know this is an outright lie, don't you Dr Oshay?).
Any rational Bl@©k persons knows, This is a false position.
There are 🦝 and undesirable elements in all branches of the African family Tree on earth.
Spreading lies by all sides, engaging in this WS sponsored anti-Bl@©k racist Disporal War Beefs, does nothing positive but sow discord among
Bl@©k folks from different branches of the African family Tree, globally.
Also, the amount of nonsense on UA-cam being spouted by these Disporal War Beefs cretins, about Bl@©k British folks (with regards to the N@zis riots in the UK) was pure lies and driven by Disporal Wars Beefs hatred of Bl@©k Britons in the UK, by some FBAs on UA-cam for financial gains.
This WS divide and conquer tactics, which many Bl@©k folks fall for, need to stop and you, Dr Oshay Dookie Jacks, are in a very good position to educate FBA folks (not unless, you intend to join the WS anti-Bl@©k rac1st sponsored Disporal War Beef and profit off it, financially too).
WS GGF7 often delete my posts, every time, l post comment about Bl@©k unity and oppose WS anti-Bl@©k r@cism agenda against us as Africans descendants folks, globally.
Oshay it's so sad how so many non-Ethiopians are concerned about who Ethiopians are marrying to the point where they have to guilt trip ethiopians into accepting them. It's honestly pathetic.
So true like especially west African men and AA
@delzi37 it's sad because a lot of AA women and West African women support this and they don't even realize they're being replaced in their own communities.
A.A's & W.A's are self haters thats why.
When did west African men become concerned? It's mostly AAs
@adjoa-anima LOL west African men are all over social media lusting after habesha women
Awesome podcast both of you guys are doing an amazing job. God blessed you both.👑👑👑🙏🙏💪💪🥰
thank u!
So good to see the two of you together as a couple of my interesting subscribers. I gotta say bro I prefer watching her . 😆😆😆
She's quite informed and knowledgeable. It's a survival trait. People tend to orientate themselves to people who look like them and repulse those who look different. On the extreme, it encourages tribalism, xenophobia, racism, homophobia, etc. Cultural in-groups. Even in universities we initially grouped ourselves in tribes but as our perspectives expanded with more interactions, we started making friends and even dating from outside. When people from my community move to the US, they tend to go Minnesota and Dallas, Texas because it makes it easier for them to settle and maintain "culture". Ethiopia may look more conservative because their history is very unique in the region. The Habeshas especially have been "enclosed" for years and successfully resisting colonization meant that their cultures weren't interfered with against their will.
Race and homophobia are not the same thing. Keep Africa Moral.
@@Comfy8443 keep Africa moral 😂🤔 Same Africa where we have to bribe for everything! Morality shouldn't be one sided.
We are told from a very young age not to bring any foreigners into the family. Ethiopians, for the most part only marry within their own culture. They may date outside of their culture for fun, but when it comes to marriage we will choose our own. There is nothing wrong with wanting to preserve your own culture and identify.
My Dad(Uganda) married an Ethiopian and had my Sister. Nobody had any issues with it. I think as Africans we are one people consindering humanity started in Africa so we are all interconnected
@@ofafrica2186 no africans are not 1 people. africa is the most diverse continent with thousands of different people/ethnicities
@@antiyttrad Bismilah. Your comment has a negative tone. I don't even think you're black. We're all black and from the same ancestry is the meaning if I may. We're not thousands of different peoples/ethnicities.
@@Abufaiq that's what white supremacists say to deny our diversity. AFrica is a continent with beautiful diversity. we are have the most diverse dna, africa is home to 2000 ethnicities and 3000 languages. why do you hate african diversity?.
i agree keep to yourselves and preserve your culture marry your own for sure
Sis Now I’m not surprised about your work and the outfit you work for … stay safe and keep that feeling… kudos to your hubby
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Pan Africanism does not mean you have to breed yourself out of your own cultures and bloodlines. All self respecting peoples around the world marry within their culture and people for familiarity, comfort and to continue their ethnic group into the future. Just being black or African is not enough! We can’t help it if other black groups do not feel a sense of cultural pride and a need for self preservation.
You are right. Pan Africanism is about freedom, choice, and cooperation in the face of white supremacy. That said this is only a topic between African Americans and Ethiopians in America. In, UAE, in Bahrain, and in Ethiopia people just date the Ethiopians willing to date them back.
@@vmoney65 This is not just about people in America. This is how normal people operate everywhere in the world. Why would those places be any different?
@@solomonhaile4359 In the end, all I am saying is that mixing has occurred between different designations of humans for as long as humans have existed. Why is this controversial? People marry who they want to marry whether of their own group or of another group. Why does anyone think anyone _truly_ cares if some Ethiopians marry their own? No one is pressuring Ethiopians to marry anyone they don't want to marry but you wouldn't get that impression reading these comments.
Just a quick reminder: King Solomon was a Jewish King. Makeda (the Queen of Sheba or whatever you call her) married out.
@@vmoney65 I’m actually trying to understand why people like African American men “truly care” about this topic myself. It seems they are always the ones bringing it up and making videos about it. All I’m saying is marrying within your own community is far more common. That’s the norm.
@@solomonhaile4359 I don't think they do because the reality is that most Americans black or otherwise cannot find Ethiopia on a map and outside of the communities with a large Ethiopian population, they are almost never mentioned at all. I think it is a popular topic in these circles for two reasons: 1) Haile Selassie is internationally recognized as one of the head on the Mt. Rushmore of Pan Africanists and 2) Beyond the beauty of Ethiopian women (because there are Beautiful women all over Africa) Ethiopians have earned themselves the reputation for not identifying as black especially in places such as America and South Africa where their prospects for success were established, enabled, and are maintained by _black_ people.
The flaw in African American thinking that I see is that my community makes the mistake of judging all Ethiopians by the ones they encounter in America which are specifically the opportunists who left their friendlier more accepting, more welcoming, more generous countrymen back in Ethiopia.
The truth of my experience is that if one goes to Ethiopia and expresses a genuine interest in its people and culture, they will actually HELP you integrate into it. That is a far cry from the standoffish, insular reports we get in conversations like this one. I am SURE that Wongel was one of the Ethiopians I describe and not so much one of the Ethiopians popularly described here.
Furthermore a lot of men meet their Ethiopian wives in places like Bahrain, UAE or Saudi Arabia and I'm like: OF COURSE THEY DO because the Ethiopians in Bahrain, UAE and Saudi Arabia are WORKING CLASS. Those countries bring them in to work. America and the west do their best to keep those kind of Ethiopians out of our countries. For this reason, I tell Americans (unless they are white) not to expect to get anywhere with Ethiopians here although obviously some of you are still our genuine brothers and we thank and celebrate you as family.
I personally don't blame Ethiopians and other "horn " Africans for keeping to themselves; because they seem to have more SELF LOVE, and less need for validation and acceptance then other Africans.
Yes our favourite people who are our own. Not Arabs, Europeans, North Africans or any other african groups within the continent.
❤
Your getting to the root of the problem
this is insluting to think africans don't love their "own" lol.....