Why Can't Speedrunners Break Pokemon Legends: Arceus?
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Speedrunning is known for insane glitches and incredible skips, but what happens when a game refuses to be broken? Today we look at one such story where no matter what glitch hunters have tried, the game remains wholly intact.
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00:00 - Intro
00:38 - Tutorial Skip
03:17 - Hyper Speed
04:26 - Out of Bounds
06:34 - Vertical Storage
07:32 - Why Can't This Be Broken?
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10:59 - Shorts Channel
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Gotta love how we have one sinnoh remake thats fragile and easily broken and another thats basically stainless steel. You can bend it a little. But breaking it is pretty hard
Buck Breaking 🥵
@BingBingWahoo consider this Wyrdeer = Broken
Guess which one was actually made by game freak
@@amiablereaper Since gamefreak made the incredibly broken gen 1 games, thats not an indicator :p
@@grundgutigertv6170 the gen I games were technical masterpieces. The exploits work because every bit of memory is doing double duty
The only glitch I've done in Arceus was disabling Pokemon spawns when I died as a distortion was ending. Probably nothing would come of it, but it was interesting.
20yrs later, the glitch that made pokemon not spawn during a distortion area ending made you able to teleport to the palkia fight
Sounds about right
@@user-eer555 it won't take a year
An off hand comment like this was how we managed to break Halo Infinite so the runners of Pokemon might make something of this
This happened to me too but on accident and I had actually stopped playing and came back the next day and noticed it and I was so confused.
It's the Great Plateau all over again.
Great plateau is breakeble
Breakable now, yeah. It took a while.
If this is as solid as getting to Hyrule Castle in Twilight Princess, this is going to be fun.
@@DigitalWolverine for you
@@gargarosking9165 I thought it took months to break Great Plateau but maybe I'm misremembering
From the most broken game in spedrunning to the most solid.
Inspiring.
I think bdsp are the worst games and pLA is the best lol
shows how far apart these 2 are
And the one that takes place far in the past is the solid one. Kind of an ironic twist on the old saying 'they don't make them like they used to', when the newer thing depicting an older time is better made than the older thing depicting a newer time.
Iirc the most broken game in speedrunning is some obscure game that can be beaten in like either 3 or 7 seconds due to a wrongwarp.
@@sythrus gen 1 can be done if you go full glitches in under a minute but it only takes that long because of Oak talking at the start
Honestly, props to game freak, if i can trust someone to tell me that a game is well programmed it's definitely a speedruner
kingdom hearts was like this since 15 years ago lol
I mean... several glitches are talked about through this video. Hardly well programmed
I understand what you meant but to clarify not having glitches to skip a section doesn't necessarily mean "well programmed"..
it just means that the game's progression system is not ideal for speedrunning..
@@vyor8837 Any game is guaranteed to have glitches. It's inevitable, but the thing is that there was clearly extensive glitch testing and debugging before releasing the game. This is in stark contrast to BDSP, where the seem to have skipped that phase. The few glitches that do happen all have extremely specific conditions, and both the glitches Abyssoft demonstrates happen when falling, so that must have been an oversight in the glitch testing. But Daruwuin is right, the presence/lack of glitches isn't the sole indicator of a game being "well programmed"
Being airtight against sequence breaks isn't necessarily good programming, since it means a higher potential for casual players to softlock the game. Many sequence breaks are the result of foresight into preventing softlocks and crashes, not a result of sloppiness.
This brings up an interesting question as someone on the outside: Does the speedrunning community PREFER glitchy games? Is it disappointing to find a game that resists breaking? Or is there like, a seperation in the community between people that like ultra broken any% glitch runs and those who prefer speed running more or less as it was intended to be played?
Here's the speed lawyer answer; it depends. Take a game like SM64, 70 star and 120 star have minimal uses of glitches, but 0 star and 16 star make use of heavy sequence breaks to make them possible. Both are fun to watch but for different reasons. I think when a game gets to a point that you're not using mechanics in the game to break it, things start to get a little "what is going on here" from a viewer perspective.
Don't get me wrong, I love things like Paper Mario x Ocarina of Time credits warp, and Hot Plate Glitch, but I think those are largely one and done sort of things because they are so unique, it requires a lot of explanation for an someone unfamiliar with what's happening to understand the how and why (which is why I make the videos!), but something like SM64 120 star you can just start watching and know immediately what's happening.
Side note, RPG's are notoriously long and grindy to run, so skips that cut out sections of the game are often received with open arms by community members and viewers.
@@Abyssoft Thanks for the detailed answer!
There is a separation yes!
It's the reason why there are multiple categories in a game.
Most of the time it comes down to personal preference.
It's all about fun in the end, that's why some games like super Mario sunshine and Deadspace 2 Allow their runners to actually use hacks for their runs!
This is so they can skip the dreadful long unskippable intro cutscene so they can actually play their game.
There are people that prefer breaking their games as much as possible and there are that stay as close to a pure, non-glitched run as they can.
The most important is that they want to enjoy and have fun playing their game.
Personally I'm all about "Oh wow that looked really cool" speedruns no matter what the game is.
I'd also like to add ontop of whats already been said. Sometimes if a game ends up getting TOO broken TOO fast, like Halo Infinite as a prime recent example, it can lower times too fast and kill enthusiasm to run the whole category. So yeah its a bit of both, an ideal any% run would be rich in both technical execution of legitimate game functions and glitch abuse
The community is full of people who like to speed run with and without glitches, but by far doing it with glitches is the most popular choice because it's more interesting to watch and perform
I'm anticipating one week later a video titled: How Speedrunners Broke Pokemon Legends: Arceus
I'd love to make that video
@@Abyssoft I'd love to see that video
Summoning Salt: *Hold my beer*
@@Abyssoft a week is almost over. Tick. Tock
@@sheevpalpatine6139 *Final Hours from Majora's Mask begins to play*
I saw a Buneary spawn inside of a tree where it couldn't be caught, but I don't think that glitch will help us anytime soon
I saw that too on the path near the big tree in the first area. I wonder if she just has a small chance to spawn where the tree is located
same but it was an eevee for me
This happened to me with Zorua almost every single outbreak. It took me SO MANY outbreaks to find a shiny and it would happen almost every single time where at least one of them would spawn inside a rock. It could not get out and I could not lure it out or throw a ball at it. Imagine your shiny spawning in there...
Happened to me with a Golduck, though it didn't spawn directly into the tree, it got stuck there after escaping a pokeball
I had a Graveler spawn underneath Dialga statue's legs at Mt. Coronet ruins and it was the funniest shit ever because it was stuck rolling there. Managed to surprise hit me with rock slide in the aggro but it really couldn't do much else
Sounds like they did a good job, aside from the fact I'm softlocked because I flew down and fought Cresselia without knowing I was supposed to trigger a cutscene first.
So true. Really shows the downside to the programmers relying too much on the event flag triggers thing.
If you press Up+X+A on the title screen you can go to your previous save
Hopefully this works for you lol 😅
@@justarandomdood Thanks for trying to help, but I already saw this elsewhere. I tried it, but my game had already autosaved after I caught the moon turkey.
@@browncow5210 didnt one of the game updates mention fixing that bug? or does it still not solve your current problem?
@@browncow5210 that's rough buddy, I'm sorry to hear that
I've had two glitches: I accidentally caught Uxie twice which prevented me from catching Azelf (patched) and I couldn't catch Cherrim if it transformed (patched)
Yeah, that Cherrim glitch was a common problem. Really glad they fixed it.
I remember using like 20 ultra balls on a paralyzed 1 hp cherrim lol, that glitch was the worst
Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20
Revelation has been unfolding since Jesus died. The Popes have claimed to be equal to God and set themselves in Jesus' place (antichrist(s)). Vatican City (Which is its own nation BTW) have risen up to fulfill the role of the false prophet
Regarding the man of lawlessness or antichrist, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The restrainer that the Apostle Paul was referring to in 2 Thessalonians was the Western Roman Emperor, who held back the Popes from taking power. Once the last Western Roman Emperor was removed from power in 476 AD, the Pope was given civil and ecclesiastic authority over Rome; healing the deadly head wound of the beast in Revelation 13, as they took the Emperors title of Pontifex Maximus, leader of the church and state.
“We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Gregory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.)
Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.)
Pope Leo XIII declared, “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” (Source: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894)
The antichrist sea beast of Revelation points to the office of the papacy, the Popes of Rome, who controlled the Roman beast for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD.
Daniel 7:25 says “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” The Popes of Rome spoke against Elohim and proclaimed to be God. They reigned for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. during which they caused tens of millions of saints to be killed.
The Pope’s title is Vicar of Christ, which in Latin is ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’, and equates numerically to the number 666
I do appreciate the level of resilience in this game, but skipping the tutorial would be nice even for regular players and not only speedrunners
its not even 10 minutes just enjoy the game
true, they really need to add a skip feature if they're gonna make long tutorials with a lot of cut-scenes, the tutorial kills replay value, I was trying to do a ultra moon nuzlocke a while ago and gave up after 2 tries cause the stupid tutorial is so long
@@heterophobic it's almost 4 hours until you can go freely to open world
@@frangarcia1699 How did it take you four hours? its just catching a few pokemon and dialogue.
@@Karth557 Maybe they mean by "freely" unlocking all the areas? That's my best guess at least..
It's a bit early to declare the game unbreakable. Sometimes it takes years to find the really juicy speedrunning glitches.
barrier skip flashbacks
Repent and follow Jesus my friend! Repenting doesn't mean confessing your sins to others, but to stop doing them altogether. Belief in Messiah alone is not enough to get you into heaven - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36). Contemplate how the Roman empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13. Revelation 17 confirms that it is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years to accomplish the religion of the Israelites C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate though because you can start a relationship with God and have proof. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life. - Revelation 3:20
Revelation has been unfolding since Jesus died. The Popes have claimed to be equal to God and set themselves in Jesus' place (antichrist(s)). Vatican City (Which is its own nation BTW) have risen up to fulfill the role of the false prophet
Regarding the man of lawlessness or antichrist, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 says “Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” The restrainer that the Apostle Paul was referring to in 2 Thessalonians was the Western Roman Emperor, who held back the Popes from taking power. Once the last Western Roman Emperor was removed from power in 476 AD, the Pope was given civil and ecclesiastic authority over Rome; healing the deadly head wound of the beast in Revelation 13, as they took the Emperors title of Pontifex Maximus, leader of the church and state.
“We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.” (Source: “Decretals of Gregory IX,” Book 1, chapter 3.)
Pope Pius V blasphemed, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” (Source: Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Cities Petrus Bertanous Chapter XXVII: 218.)
Pope Leo XIII declared, “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” (Source: Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894)
The antichrist sea beast of Revelation points to the office of the papacy, the Popes of Rome, who controlled the Roman beast for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD.
Daniel 7:25 says “And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” The Popes of Rome spoke against Elohim and proclaimed to be God. They reigned for 1,260 years, from 538-1798 AD. during which they caused tens of millions of saints to be killed.
The Pope’s title is Vicar of Christ, which in Latin is ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’, and equates numerically to the number 666
I love how even unbreakable games are just as interesting as completely breakable games in a speedrun setting. It's like a boss you can't defeat.
I love how alpharad had accidentally did a vertical storage glitch to get out of bounds on accident
You said accident twice
@@NatetheKindaOK hmm yes
@@NatetheKindaOK I think he accidentally wrote accident twice by accident my dude
His chat told him how to... it's in his video/vod
@@XXXEmpoleon thanks for telling me
My favorite glitch is bear hover. There are invisible walls you can collide with in area where guards block you from entering. If you run into them with deer boi and jump and immediately switch to bear, bear will hover
If there's one thing Game Freak ever learned from all the pokemon games it released...
...it's how to curb exploits at the door.
Just means it hasn't been found yet. SW/SH was recently broken in two, so...
@@vyor8837 bruh he's talking abou PLA not Sword/Sheild those games were realesed 2 years before this one
@@calebjmendoza6079 The point he's making is that PLA is a recent release and SwSh has been around for years. Obviously attempts at breaking PLA are going to take a bit, while SwSh has had plenty of time for Speedrunners to break it. We just need more time to find glitches and exploits
@@vyor8837
What about US/UM though, or even S/M and OR/AS?
Haven't heard any massive breaking in those games.
@@Brown95P all completely broken games
scares me to hear that skipping cutscenes can softlock you, because i walked past a cutscene in the ancient quarry in coronet highlands by running and jumping into a wall with wyrdeer and walking right past it. i was thinking about just continuing but wanted to see if there was even a cutscene there, so i walked back and triggered it
Luckily no. I did the same and explored nearly all the map except for inside the ancient quarry and didn't encounter any softlocks.
I was wondering why there wasn't much news about Pokemon: Legends Arceus! Makes sense now!
I enjoyed this long form explanation & analysis! Looking forward to more like it from you! Thanks for uploading!
Speedruns can still be interesting without a boatload of glitches
Game Freak is surprisingly good at making game that are hard to find glitches especially for speed running (BDSP was not make by Game Freak). The last main series Pokémon game made by Game Freak that had glitches that speed runner abused was Pokémon Platinum which was released in 2008. For all the complaints they get there are still one of the best at avoiding sequence breaking.
The sad thing is GF put strong obstacles for speed running but don't really make the game flawless in that same pursuit. Like look at why Lillie is in nearly every map in Sun and moon. And as mentioned in the video, sometimes exploits just don't save you time. Breaking a game is one thing, breaking a game in a way that makes you complete it/objectives faster is another.
This time though, I think they put a lot of their best into this game. I found leveling up star ranks easy but it's still gonna be a grind for speed runners. I hope they do find something, like the insane WW invisible wall break or item storage affected by the weirdest things. If you can item storage to work, it's theoretically possible to skip Cogita stuff to make the red chain and origin ball.
@@RWAsur yeah, I would love it see this game be absolutely destroyed by the community; I believe it gives the game longevity in the speed running scene.
I'm sure they do an absolutely immense amount of QA work. Gen 1 Pokemon and BDSP show exactly what happens in a game with so many complex interactions if you don't.
I'm not sure if the glitches were used for speedrunning but in sword and shield there are some weird glitches of which a ton break things such as softlocking the player, duplicating pokemon, or straight up enabling out of bound access which allows to fly around on your bike..It's weird. Though most of the bugs effect competitive play or just the standard gameplay.
@@testerwulf3357 oh yeah I forgot about those lmao... yeah Gamefreak haven't actually put out a bug-free Pokemon game to my knowledge, but the degree of the bugs have definitely diminished over time
I’ve heard with how Arceus uses story flags, a few people have soft locked themselves post game by catching Cresselia by catching her before someone tells you to and then you can’t proceed after.
Oh I actually did that, it's pretty easy to get unstuck from it, you just talk to the guy again and then enter the arena when you're clearly flagged to do it. The animation plays but there's no Pokemon, and then it's like "you caught Cresselia! :D" and the quest ends, no problem.
@@FrenkTheJoy Yep. But that’s what it does now that they patched the game to fix this. It used to be you were just softlocked.
Knowing speedrunning it’s gonna be something dumb like, “the final battle area is accidentally loaded when doing the balloon popping mini game. It turns out the balloon popping mini game takes place in a parallel instance of the world.” I don’t know. Is there even a balloon popping game in that zone? If there isn’t then it was definitely removed because of this…
There is no balloon popping in the coronet highlands and there never was one on the day it came out
That speedrun stray sounds very much like Skyward Sword Any%, where you do activate the minigame of battling successive Imprisoned to get to a state where you are at the end of the game.
Were you thinking of that?
@@trent800 That's just it though. The coronet highlands is the only area where the local Ride Pokemon provides extra mobility, but there is no balloon course to teach you to use it. The suggestion is that there USED TO BE a balloon course in the area, but it was removed from the game PRIOR TO RELEASE for one reason or another.
The minigame takes place in the same “world”
I know this because my first random full odds shiny of the game was a paras that spawned during the minigame, and when I went back to get it after the time ran out it was still there
@@iantaakalla8180 I’ll be honest, I have no idea that’s a thing. Just that speedrunning has funny weirdness that follows some sort of logic.
i find it jarring how well made and stable legends arc is compared to bdsp
which is held together by duct tape
Like, the cheap dollar store duct tape.
Almost like handing a Pokemon game to a support studio that hadn't made their own game before wasn't a good idea
@@sayvionwashington1939 Yet people were pretending like Gamefreak not making the game was a good sign pre-BDSP launch, this fanbase is hella clownish...
@@SadMoribund They were probably the people who had not used Pokemon Home before. Both the idea and the execution are horrible.
Never underestimate duct tape
Fantastic video, was hoping too see some content like this for Arceus!
I really like watching the speedrunner actually play through the game rather than diving through the floor and into the next zone or whatever, so I don't mind this.
Glitchless speedruns exist.
@@avatarmew There's a nice middle ground
When things are broken but you aren't literally phasing through reality and skipping 50%
You don't have to be a PL:A
And you don't have to be Sonic boom either
You can be something like a Mario 1
Yeah you're going through walls and double jumping
But most mechanics are intact
I have the feeling that's what this lad is asking for
@@1stCallipostle yeah that's about what I was thinking thankyou!
@@avatarmew you're right about that
Thanks for the video! Playing it right now, and happy to hear how hard it is proving to be to break it!
If I’m not mistaken, even if you get an early level 5, you need to beat electrode to unlock Icelands, which holds braviary. Even if there is a skip to temple early, I don’t think you can skip to final battle main game since the the red chain is needed. And I think it’s a cutscene to palkia or dialga catch. But I could be mistaken. Anyways I wonder if gathering the 18 plates will become a category. Which is all post game minus arceus. Feel like that could be an interesting run
I can attest to this. I got to 5 star before going after Klevor, and you don't even get Wyrdeer until after some or all of Klevor's missions are complete.
Aswell as you need the origin ball, or whatever it's called.
@@kevinchapman9285 You get access to Wyrdeer after beating Lian (specifically, right after your following return to Jubilife - Mai will be at the gate and ask you to come to the Heights Camp with her, where you'll unlock Wyrdeer.
@@kevinchapman9285 i got 4 star because i wanted a alpha rapidash that i got lucky catching to listen for the most of the game that i cheesed. However you would need to find a optimal way to get 5 star as fast as possible
Giratina is the actual climax to the story, even if they do play the credits earlier on, so I'm sure that category will be a thing eventually. It would be a pretty long run though...
I think I found a glitch
If you quit out of a Mount Balloon Race mid Mount-switch, the glow still applies to the character upon properly quitting
That glitch was found a week ago
Us, on GDQ: "lmao who coded this, it's broken as hell the way we can open it up, they should QA better"
Devs: "okay we'll double and triple check these things next time so sequence breaks are far less likely"
Us: "not like that"
What's GDQ?
@@Jesse-ef2qf Games Done Quick I'm assuming by context
On my first playthrough I found a way to clip into the snowpoint temple but couldn't actually enter the temple itself (have a vid on my channel about it). This vid explained why that was the case so thanks.
Was here for the premiere but wanted to say sick vid once again
Great video man. You've got a new sub!
Cool as hell video, your content has been absolutely banging 👌
This is exactly like the game I speedrun, Fossil Fighters: Champions. So many cutscene triggers can be skipped over, but the next part to progress the story is unable to activate unless you've gone through that cutscene. It's so annoying, given it's now a 2.5 hour RNG-fest of mashing through dialogue and moving around as best you can. Though I have to say, it doesn't appear to be *as* long as Arceus.
FF:C is a W game.
I think it's kind of insane to see the difference in quality between this game and BDSP
2 diff developers. They had another company develop it. They underperformed lol
@@MindshiftProd True, however ILCA isn’t a full game dev team, they’re a support dev team and the first game (that I can find) that they, themselves made was Pokémon Home.
It's funny. This game is visibly jankier and you're more likely to see glitchy behaviour, but chose a core progression structure that is very break resistant. BDSP looks extremely solid on the surface but you can break it open easily. They're inverses of each other.
That's because gamefreak couldn't recycle their nearly 30 year old garbage coding techniques on this game. They actually had to do everything from scratch.
@@DisplayThisOkay Also maaayybe because BDSP wasn't actually made by gamefreak? Funny how most forget that! It was made by people who weren't that experienced in game making so it ended up a mess..They really should of gotten more capable people to make it.
Very well done video. Solid work.
fascinating!! thanks for the vid!😊
The speed glitch can be done with the ride pokemon too. I did it on accident at one point but I'm not sure exactly what caused it. I got on and back off again and it went back to normal walk speed.
By the way you explained the one here it seems fall damage may have been involved with it but I wasn't paying attention to the cause, I just got weirded out that I was running fast and my character wasn't turning at normal speed when I looked left or right. It seemed to match the speed of the Wyrdeer turn.
The only glitch that has happened to me was getting two uxies and being locked out of Mespirt lol
Good thing they fixed that in the last update. Maybe Mesprit will be in their cave now for you?
Its a lot like this in sly 2 and sly 3 speedrunning. Tons of poweful advanced movement techniques and glitches have been developed yet the majority of the games remain unbroken and lack major sequence breaks due to a heavy reliance on 'chain triggers' where new sequences aren't active until you have flags from the previous triggers.
That was neat, I feel good to have discovered some of the few glitches there are by myself. Though, taking damage while falling isn't exactly hard.
You can use skill somewhat to get further ahead than you should, but not by much...
I remember everyone thinking Pokémon Legends: Arceus was going to be broken and soulless to play and yet this is probably the only Pokémon game ever since the switch to 3D to be super enjoyable :D
In other words, this is what happens when Devs actually program progression correctly. It's amazing how developers doing their job right is the exception and not the rule these days.
I wish they would stop doing their job :(
@@zapking8209 soooo you want more swsh like games?
@@memey6978 no but as far as speed running goes. games without skips just aren’t nearly as fun so it makes sense
Yeah, Breath of the Wild is my favorite game because all of the big glitches were left alone, I was extremely upset to find that BDSP weren’t the same and that I couldn’t speedrun them
Yeh... Cause progression is all that matters in the end... Its not the fact you just skipped a cutscene or got out of bounds, or caught twice a supposed to be unique Pokemon in the world and that caused you to be softlocked from the rest of the game.
That vertical storage transition was very nice 👌
I was so expecting Take on Me to start playing in the background
I must say that I am both impressed at the game's resilience and disappointed that we don't have funny glitches.
I’m just gonna wait until SmallAnt defies all the odds & completes the game in less than an hour
Don't forget Werster too. He needs to get the world record at once so that he can continue to say, or at least have on his resume, that he's held the world record in every Pokemon game at one point.
Can’t wait for alpharad to find another funny glitch to make it possible too
@@LucianDevine has Werster had a wr for any of the Mystery Dungeon or Rangers games? or do you just mean the main series?
@@wolfekupo5651 Those ones I don't know, but he did have the WR for all of the main series games and the Pokemon stadiums.
I know it’s probably unintentional and the sentence was about the story sequence stability, but I love the irony of Abyss saying “a game so expertly crafted its unbreakable” while on screen there are very obvious glitches going on
I remember the first thing i wanted to do was do the first skip mentioned and doing it for 30 minutes only to realize that in the end, i cant do anything after the skip
A lot of games stayed unbroken for years or decades, until finally being smashed open.
Speedrunners: Come on, I don't wanna play the game normally !!!
They didn't sign up for this!
It really is interesting, it almost makes you wonder if the flags and triggers were like that from the beginning or if they spent a lil extra time after all the exploits that were found for BDSP.
Nicely job
I find it hilarious the Legends: Arceus is this robust. You can say a lot about the game and its underwhelming graphics at times (Remoraid in the water...), but it's a solid game. Both in terms of mechanics and code. And I love that.
Did you watch the same video I did? There's nothing robust about the game.. simply fast travelling can get you out of the map. All they did was force things to be done in a certain order
With out of bounds being found this quickly i dont think you can call the code solid lol. It has linearly sequenced event flags which take like minutes to implement in a linear progression game.
@@Lilybun As a game dev, I honestly can't believe that linear flags are so effective at deterring speedrunners, and I'm even more suprised why this kind of flag system isn't in every game.
It does take a ginormogantuan amount of switch statements, but at the end of the day, it's too damn bulletproof.
@@MDLuffy1234YT probably because most games arent as linear as pokemon and arent produced the same way.
Also why would you use a gargantuan list of if statements when you can simply iterate a single value or if you want a more robust system you can set and check for flags with a bit mask (or use an array if bits are confusing)? Big list of if statements is how you get yandere dev code ;P
No gyms, no battle tower, no multiplayer, no end game activities. It is very interesting how you kids think graphics it is the only thing that drives the backlash to this. The battle system seems like an step somewhere not necessarily forward alone, like a diagonal progress, cause the battle system needed more complexity not a full action rpg take. I would argue that they needed to copy Monster Hunter Stories than Grandia and even then Grandia do have RTA structure.
Also the only way this is showing "unbreakable" structure is cause its damn structure is a long repetitive mapped texture with nothing else in it than the pseudo puzzles and the NPCs.
Legends Arceus is so well designed that speedrunning is basically impossible. DUDE. That’s a good sign for the future of the series honestly.
Most pokemon games don't have sequence breaks, in fact they have been well designed since Gen 3. Its just that BDSP is a very special case, as broken as Gen 1 perhaps because it was ILCA's first game?
@@UltraAryan10 they haven’t been well designed since gen 3 because dp have the same glitches as the remakes and xy had that glitch where you could not play the game if you saved near a taxi
Its not THAT well designed. Multiple glitchs are being found, some even softlock you from progressing.
Just cause the game forces you to complete story beats in order to progresss doesnt mean its well designed at all.
@@walaceandrade4046 Its VERY well designed in comparison to BDSP specially since this was Game Freak's first time with this complex movement options.
@@UltraAryan10 you mean the movement options that are still grid based? Or the robotoc head motion
Great video
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Commander komado: who the heck is this random person that just casually walked into our base of operation
I like to imagine speedrunners going "gosh darn it this game is really well made there's barely any exploitable glitches"
The game just released guys. Come back in 2 years to see how broken he'll be.
BDSP was broken in a matter of hours, when they fixed the glitches it took less than a day to find another way to do it.
you might want to look into astral chain speedruns, it is remarkably similar to what happens in arceus
there is a lot of cool movement and out of bound options, but the moment you skip something you are basically stuck
Never expected this game to be so tight under the hood, considering the series track record
Only glitch I've done is approaching an npc too fast and clipping through them for a while, the other is crashing the game by fighting a Psyduck for no reason.
I had a shiny pop up once and my game crashed when it made the sparkles. I was like. I guess it’s too powerful. I did catch it after reloading but it was funny.
@@trevorcraft6542 I had a shiny in a mass outbreak. I flubbed catching it and when I reloaded my save, outbreak over, sucks to suck, me.
Mine crashed when i teleported to a camp. Just walked around for a few seconds and whoop
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I actually like that Arceus is hard to break. The glitchless run has a lot of agency to it with how you complete research tasks and I think optimizing the route will be a task hopefully as difficult as finding a skip
Honestly, optimization for glitchless runs is many many many times harder than finding glitches. With the nature of pokemon especially, in which nothing is meant to be guaranteed, this may actually push a good chunk of speedrunning away. Even "glitchless" speedruns use exploits for the most part. Such as Dark Souls and door animation skipping via reloading.
I'm happy there's a community of people that like to beat games as fast as possible, but to be honest it's kinda fun to see them fail.
Ive done one glitch so far.
I had thrown Typhlosion at a tree, then spun around and attacked an attacking monster.
The battle started and Typhlosion was stuck in his blue ball return sparkle state and was unusable in battle or the field. I didn't get him back until I triggered a loading sequence the entire time he was just stuck in his blue return sparkle effect next to the tree hed knocked berries down from.
This makes me happy.
The game is solid. Good programming. And while yes it has glitches so does every game.
I wish there was a way to skip to Alabaster Icelands since it has good pokemon such as Hisuan Zoroark. Oh well, at least I can get Goomy early...
10:50. That electrode looks like Koro Sensei.
I found an interesting but useless camera glitch, if you seen the videos of the two easiest alpha pokemon spots and go to snow point temple, when you fail doing the braivery up glitch and get stuck in the in the roof next to the pillar with the perspective of the player facing the temple. When you fail going onto the roof and keep doing that sequence it breaks the camera making it go father away from the character.
I like how the reason the tutorial skip doesnt work boils down to 'The game makes sense'. Its described here as "The game expects you you to have completed earlier objectives before you can do later ones." So this is a game that understands the linear nature of time.
Game: is easy to sequence break
Community: "this game is horrible its so broken"
Game: is impossible to sequence break
Community: "why don't they let us break the game?"
The people with negative thoughts are always the loudest lol I'm sure the Pokemon community as a whole doesn't care either way
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A game is only horrible or broken if it does not gracefully recover from a sequence break. On the one hand, I would argue that this game, while it does not fail due to a sequence break, technically does not recover from them, either.
I think the problem with BDSP is that breaking it is WAY too easy for a normal player.
So it uses the Xenoblade style of story progression. In that game too, each quest marker being completed sets a flag for the next, so it's pretty much impossible to skip anything. Cool video!
I went out of bounds accidently while playing in a waterfall. I found it funny that in the waterfall, the pokemon can get inside the rocks when thrown out. I then flew whit the braviary and somehow got inside the waterfall
Only major glitch I’ve found in my 54 hours of playtime is a permanent Pokémon soft lock, if you hit a poke ball in a certain way the Pokémon will be trapped and you won’t be able to rescue it no matter what you do. (Not even fast traveling fixes it you have to fully leave the area).
The first thought I had was, “oh poor shiny” if it’s a certain way the a shiny could be stuck.
"BDSP is so broken lol"
Game Freak: I'm about to end the speedrunning community's entire career.
BDSP wasn't game freak
The only real glitches I know of in this game are just that sometimes Pokemon will be in a tree? It's usually Bidoof specifically. If you move the wrong way the Pokemon will suddenly just be on the tree.
And sometimes Pokemon or even the player character will be what looks like a foot or two off the ground.
Metroid fusion was also deemed almost unskipable for decades because of the flag system but due memory corruption speedruners were able to enable flags and reach the end of the game.
In pokemon emerald with the pomeg berry glitch you can enable flags to activate special events so it is something pokemon games have also a history of it.
Memory corruption tends to be found many years later due to the knowledge requied to make it work, but if everything else fails theres always it as some sort of final resort.
I think this is much cooler than broken pearl/glitched diamond. An actual game that doesn't take like 15 minutes.
Gamefreak failed so hard that they had to make there next game Bulletproof.
The only think that i can kinda a call a glitch is when on the first zone i seen a magicarp down a cliff that could't get capture because i was to hight so i drowned 1000 time to find the spot in the cliff that i can stand on long enough to trow a pokeball but worted it
I don't think I've ever seen a game that is not speedrun-able, ESPECIALLY a Pokemon game. Very interesting to see that despite finding glitches and skips that would help tremendously in many other games, that is not the case here given the way the game works.
I mean, the game hasn't been out for that long. Some games take many years to break open, so it could happen eventually.
I can’t wait to see a Reverse BiTMagic equivalent on Legends: Arceus, as that is clearly what it will take to skip various sections of the game.
@@iantaakalla8180 A glitch only possible by a photon passing through your switch at the right angle on tuesday november 26 2058
Expertly programmed Pokémon game? Never heard of it
I found a cutscene skip in my playthrough. It was just you get into battle and you can walk through cutscene areas
I once got the alpha gallade in the regi temple to clip itself into the wall where it couldn’t attack me or be caught
When it comes to glitches for single-player games my opinion on whether they should be kept runs on a few variables.
Does it make the game unplayable?
Yes: Remove it.
No: Do casual players commonly experience it on accident and does it hurt their enjoyment?
Yes: Do Speedrunners use it in their runs?
Yes: Make it harder to encounter.
No: Remove it.
No: Do Speedrunners use it in their runs?
Yes: It stays.
No: I don't care at this point.
What's funny is some games, a glitch will come out and be presumably useless but then someone else finds a separate glitch that coupled with a previously "useless" one makes it useful and thus, worth doing
I respect speedrunners for their grinding to break video games but i also like times like this when there is no exploits and you legit just have to be faster even if its hours and involves rng. Good on you gamefreak for making a solid game lol.
Alpharad found the vertical storage glitch on complete accident and fell through the world. Was funny.
finally a speedrun i can participate in then
If you can't sequence break, what about glitches or exploits that speed up the research process? Is there a way to, say, duplicate a catch to have it count twice or to force an outbreak of a particular Pokemon? For as much as we dunk on GameFreak for the tree in SwSh, or the collisionless tree in B2/W2, or the tree you can use to break out of bounds with in BDSP (Just saying these 3 makes me realize GameFreak has a problem with trees), but we can't really say that about PLA. PLA has it's fair share of glitches, but at least the game seems built well enough that such glitches won't mess something up.
Well, that's one of the things he proposed that they might try to go for if it's genuinely impossible to sequence break at all, in which case it's a whole other can of worms as that would probably take a new branch of research into what can and can't be broken in that system
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A pokemon game that's not a pile of broken code? This can not be!
Only bug I've personally witnessed is a text bug where Canala's dialogue bubble is labeled as Sanqua, though I have heard of a bug where if you caught Cresselia before talking to Melli you couldn't turn in the associated quest, which renders you unable to catch Giratina (which means you can't complete the Pokedex and get Arceus). The Cresselia bug was patched; the text bug is still there though
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Thought my computer was shutting off.
The harder a game is to break the more broken it inevitably becomes
Not really.
Just look to Skyward Sword runs over the years for evidence of this.
Sticker Star isn’t that broken, but that’s because no one wants to run it.
Shadows of Almia is more played, but it too is not as broken.
This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20.
Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God.
Can't get a response from God? Fasting can help increase your perception and prayer can help initiate events. God will ignore you if your prayer does not align with His purpose (James 4:3) or if you are approaching Him when "unclean" (Isaiah 1:15, Isaiah 59:2, Micah 3:4). Stop eating food sacrificed to idols (McDonald's, Wendy's etc) stop glorifying yourself on social media or making other images of yourself (Second Commandment), stop gossiping about other people, stop watching obscene content etc. Have a blessed day!
I’ve never been a particularly big fan of speedruns that break the game wide open, so it’s refreshing to see a game that’s relatively glitch free for more than a couple of weeks
Well, I'd hardly call Pokemon Legends Arceus glitch free. As you saw in the video, it showcased some pretty major ones that can be done easily. The game does have a strict progression system though so sequence breaking the game has proven to be futile. However just like the video said, never say never. Even the most solid games can be broken.
The one glitch I had was when I tried to jump out of water on basculeigon as I got to land, and then when I ended up on wyrdeer I could phase through people and couldn't interact with them. EventuallyI tried getting off wyrdeer but that stopped it. I also couldn't get it to work again.
Masuda be like "ah yes, let them struggle to speedrun it"
A game working as intended? Great!
Side Note: “Grinding” star levels was never much of an issue for me whilst playing normally. Just kinda happened naturally.
Yes but speedrunners are not casually going at a.. casual pace.. they are trying to go fast so aren't naturally catching lots of mons and getting back strikes and stuff since those take time they want to shave off
@@BaconNuke obviously.
Just saying that the game’s design when not speed running is really tight and there isn’t many issues.
"The game remains relatively unbroken"
moonwalking flash on screen: am I a joke to you?
Also the fact that this game was somehow made so well that it's avoiding serious speedrunning glitches and all you get is an out of bounds that resets you in the map, and a fast run glitch that becomes irrelevant after an early unlock, is just beautiful.
let's not forget all of the other ones caused by accident that's not helpful for either the casuals or speedrunners
I assume the only way to break this would be to somehow trick the game into thinking you've checked those flags, but given how few of these glitches are really exploitable that's gonna be hard
I found a weird glitch that I don’t think would help the speed runners but is cool, when you trade Pokémon, for whatever reason it thinks you caught the Pokémon. So basically if I traded a spiritomb to my friend so he can get it in his Pokédex and gave it back to me it believes I caught the spiritomb again, basically adding a free catch to my research task