Electric Arc Sport Full Tour & First Ride! Over 200kWh Of Boating Bliss
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- Jordan is in Long Beach checking out the Arc Sport! All-electric wake boat with over 200 kWh battery, 500 HP, and loads of fun.
00:00 Intro
01:53 What Is Arc?
07:12 Tour
08:53 Software
10:17 Powertrain
16:19 Quantifying Range
18:55 Continued Tour
20:49 Electric Boat Benefits
24:25 Wake Surfing
25:41 Testing & Development
28:44 Sound System
29:45 Adjustable Roof
31:29 More Technical Details
34:41 Charging
39:48 Final Thoughts
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The canopy makes a huge difference compared to the first model. I like being able to get out of the sun while on the water.
I was able to for a ride on the ARC Sport last month and can confirm it throws a great surf wake (or its a really good board). Acceleration at full ballast is class leading too. Its like a Rivian on the water.
It’s a water Tesla
Ahh yes something everyone has been wanting 😂
The idea that you can "fill it up" at home, is very attractive. Gas prices increase markedly in proximity to the marina.
This is an excellent point. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Yeah, but the 2 days plugged into your drier outlet for a few hours on the water is a big negative. And with that much battery in the hull, it is *not* going to be cheap. DC fast charging could be a few hours, but I'm not aware of *any* charging (DC or otherwise) built for anything being towed. Even a car with a travel trailer has to ditch the trailer.
It'd be nice to connect this as V2H so that it is providing some utility while not on the water and if you are able to store it at home.
I would like to see expandable and retractable solar arrays (the roof has static panels) for boats in the future. Something like 5-10 kW panels that can run auxiliary, provide emergency cruising range, or serve any additional use case. I like the idea of spending longer periods out on the water if the weather permits.
Don’t take any of this seriously. I know nothing about boats; I am just a solar enthusiast.
Was thinking the same. Solar for some emergency or trickle charging or r low voltage charging would make sense. I have a small solar panel on my RV for trickle charging the batteries, works flawless when I have the RV stored a couple month, then start it up.
I'm no expert but isn't 5-10kw panels pretty big?
@@Shelbyj13 yeah, it’s a decent size. However, if you have expandable boards, you can mount the arrays on them, which will expand the footprint of the boat.
10 kw of solar would be about 700 square feet of surface area, so you might as well hoist a sail 🙂
@@domen810 😂 10kw what I have on my home, it’s hard to translate that to the size a boat. I don’t know anything about boats, mate.
Technically it would run for about one hour, and less than that at full power. 300+ KW power and ~200KWh batteries.
My concern here is that there is enough batteries to build more than 4 cars (and 500 eBikes) for something that will see very little use.
One hour isn't going to cut it where I live 😂 20mins to where we ride, 20 mins back means less than 10 mins riding 👎
Not into boats personally, but that was really interesting. A lot of nuances when it comes to maritime engineering.
The last time I was at the Marine Stadium at Long Beach it was to record a speed test of a human powered hydrofoil boat. One of the few marinas in SoCal where speeds like you show are allowed. The pedal powered hydrofoil also went a good bit over the 5 mph limit seen in the rest of the marina but with nearly no wake at all. Good clean fun either way!
Jordan I appreciate your content on this channel. You’re really entertaining, knowledgeable, affable and quickly well-spoken. Kyle has all of that too, and it’s not super common. It's "authentic" and that's the difference well anyway thanks for another cool video and 40 minutes of my life you dudes are part of my weekly entertainment😁
Awesome review of a very cool boat! Great job.
As I understand it, for a low cycle count battery system (infrequent use), storage voltage will be _extremely_ important. Battery life will be severely reduced by them sitting around for weeks or months at (nearly) full charge all the time. You might not care as much about getting 8-10k cycles out of them (like a car), but them not holding a charge in just a few years is a law suit in the making. A 226kWh pack is very expensive!
(I don't who makes these batteries or what chemistry they are, but ask your manufacturer what the optimal storage level and temperature are. They will have that data... unless you're buying the cheapest things you can find - we did that, have many metal balloons)
A boat or an RV with any kind of battery like this is 100% an awful idea. One lawsuit bankrupts the mfg and all of the "warranty" are dead. The biggest capital element is throwaway and non-serviceable when not if it breaks.
Your content vibe is just right, keep it up
These look really great - can’t wait to get a test ride on one someday.
I love how the paradigms are shifting as we incorporate battery electrics systems into more more traditionally gas powered products. Incredible to see how an efficient we have been, and how many benefits accrue from getting rid of the noisy engine, the leaky oil, the smoky gas, and all the other bowl that comes with gas and diesel powered vehicles.
also, I don’t know how many times I have gotten down to the water and the boat engine isn’t working, the fuel filter has algae stuck in it, the jet ski won’t start! Oh, and of course, we have to go to the field dock to fill up before we start our day. :-)
Now you can add "F...! I forgot to plug the boat in _last week_ to get it fully charged." This isn't something you can plug into the wall for a few hours to then go play. Even at a (difficult to find) 350k DC charger, it would take over an hour to fully charge, but half an hour would get you on the lake.
I cannot over stress: Never. Fully. Drain. It. (don't go below 50% in my book. we've run the Electrica down to "won't cross the road" a few times, and it takes an eternity (12+ hrs) to charge it.)
Lots of "claims" they are making that sound good to a salesman or politician. I have no desire to switch over. And once we start charging on the water somebody somewhere will die from electrical fault so don't assume they are foolproof. Reality is they are quite dangerous.
@@timdskibum Happens already, but it's rarely a newsworthy story. Lots of docks have power, but few ("none") are designed for 50A+ continuous (hours) loads. It's far more likely to be the source of fires, not electrocution. (properly installed systems have "GFCI" type leakage detection.)
Sick boat!!
love it!
I would love to see you guys cover some of the electric sailboat powertrains on the market. Not so much consumer advice, but like this video raising awareness.
Great video, this would be perfect for our Slovenian lakes ❤
The displays are very reminiscent of Rivian screens. Looks great. Retractable tower is pretty awesome. Would be nice to have a quiet boat.
Would be anyway for the boat be able to tell how much battery you would need to get back to the launch location. Or at least close enough to be towed by another boat that out on the water?
It needs foils like the Candela C8. Easily triples the range and makes the power requirement for top speed less than half for the same battery size.
It’s a wakesport boat, the point is to displace as much water as possible to create as big a wake as possible. It’s not supposed to be an efficient long distance cruising boat.
@@adamcarlson4922 Fair, though you can always still retract the foils when you want a large wake.
@@adamcarlson4922 he is posting this shit about Candela all the time...
Bloody great boat
Super super dope.. now I wish they’d make a ocean catamaran
Is ARC really the best name for an electric boat…?
good vid Jordon, those are what we need here in Minnesota, like he was saying so much easier to pack away for winter
Starting at $258,000 👀
That's actually less than I expected
Boats are expensive
True but put a Maybach next to it and you get alot more for your monay
Nautique G23 Paragon starts at $435k. Malibu m242 is $377k. Of course there's cheaper ones but boats of this sort can be extremely expensive.
@@Tech_Circuits you can get a comparable sized gas boat just like that for less than 75k
outta my price range. Love the concept, would be intrigued to see a pontoon variant, thats more consumer priced friendly with a solar canopy
I agree this seems like the Model S of boats, I hope they'll be able to expand into the less-sexy "workhorse" boats that are spewing pollution every day: fishing vessels, car ferries, water taxis etc. I think there will also be plenty of opportunity for retrofit.
Great rental boat.
Incredible performance and TOTAL QUIET on the water? This is a very competitive price. Impressive.
A battery that big could run an average home for a week, I’d love to see home backup capabilities or grid storage, especially in places that it won’t be used for the winter months
Oh yeah(!) Working on my catamaran EV houseboat, with used[...'totaled'] EV parts(.) Congrats to ARC, but I'm looking at ~$150K all in, with 5kW solar and 10kW propane B/U. Well, maybe another $50K before I finish the furnishing ::))
I don't know about boats, but most warships quote a "cruise range", how many nautical miles they can do at cruise speed, which is the most economical speed. For example, 5000 miles at 16 knots, etc. I think it will provide much more clarity to the buyers if they can offer this number.
I think they said it could do 30+ hours at 5 kts.
Looks cool….how many docks have fast chargers?are they going to help build some?
They did mention that most docks already have power and can do a slower recharge in about 8 hours.
@@LouisDemeror add to your charge while you’re having lunch at the Marina.
I imagine if u don't go boating very often u could put solar on it and trickle charge it over a few days if ur dock has no power.
I’m wondering how far are we from being able to have sport fishing boats. Need a boat that can do 20 miles out and back at high speed cruise plus trolling at 2-5mph for ~10 hours.
Not enough battery to do what you explained.
Could you use it as a house backup source? At the dock and wired to your house, all the time you're not out on the water. 200kW powerwall....
Love the idea of an electric boat! Just maybe with not that big of a battery!
Great boat! The only thing I disagree with is your starting price of a 24 ft gas ski boat is $200k? Maybe in California but $100k can get you something nice. Am I wrong? Keep up the good work!
you are absolutely correct, 100k will get you a MUCH nicer 24ft gas boat than this one, whether or not it is worth spending another 150k for it to be electric is up to the buyers, but my guess is that people are pretty stupid if they choose that for the price. hopefully the technology catches up and these things can become cheaper
Speed boats in this class go for this much and more. Check it out. Sure, you can get cheaper. Nothing wrong with going for a $50k Mustang if that’s what you want, but also nothing wrong with going for a $200k Porsche instead, if that’s what you want. The Porsche buyer isn’t “stupid” for paying more for what he wants. Same here.
Wakeboard boats are expensive. Sure you can get some for less but 200k is more common than you think.
No view of storage under the seats, lockers, observer compartment? Would also like to see the batteries and power plant access. How much does the boat weigh? Does the tower even have board racks?
How dare you say that frunks didn't exist with I.C.E. cars. The classic Volkswagen Beetle had the storage space up front. 😜
It's WAY too much space to call it a "frunk". Frunks are places to keep a purse, or small stack of business cards.
Oh man at first I thought that's a huge battery. But it has to be for the discharge rate alone! That is an over 300 kW continuous load on a 200 kWh battery.
At these amounts of electricity, even the normal rule of thumb to slap solar on anything electric these days doesn't really apply anymore.
eBoats really do make sense. If you've ever heard that a boat is a hole in the water you pour money into...they're talking about maintenance and repairs. Power boats just are NOT reliable. Small boats maybe, but not power boats. Electrifying them will make maintenance a secondary thought.
So sick!
Great review, would love to flip out my Tige for one of these! Makes so much sense
More electric boats. Lets give some respect to Voltari
My main concern with owning this would be charging though. Being on a lake and being able to quickly fill up at any marina Is a huge plus
Most every boat slip has a 240 connection
Since marinas all run 240v, I wonder if they could offer a dual charger option. Two 48A OBCs would make a big difference to get the boat out again in the late afternoon after running it hard all morning into lunch time.
Check out Swedish Cadela as well, really next gen electric boats enabled by hydrofoiling ✈️
Those are inordinately expensive, aimed at only the Monaco class. Not to mention they are very much sea state limited. Consumer oriented foiling boats are only good in very calm conditions.
@@otm646 Yes still expensive, but not far from this product, and have a lot smaller batteries so might be possible to bring the price down in the future.
I have personally driven one in quite rough seas and was totally fine!
What does it weigh? Nothing anywhere has the mass of the boat+trailer.
The sound issue cannot be underestimated. That is amazing. Always hated the noise of the boat. Hated it. I could only spend so much time on the boat due to the noise. This is game-changing, I would think. I’m not in the target market, but I see the electrification as a huge upgrade.
That high pitched squeal is worse than any boat I've ever been on 😂
This is super cool, but range was not quantified. Come on, give us *something*! For example, at 20mph on flat water with no wind, how far roughly can it go?
I'm pretty sure "all day on the water" doesn't mean 60mph for 4 hours out, and 4 hours back. I'm not saying that should be expected, it's just that I have no idea, except that I know it takes a tremendous amount of energy to push water out of the way.
Good point boats run in gallons per mile usually. And this has less than 7 gallons worth of marine diesel in total energy capacity.
The fact it gets anywhere with that little total energy available is already kinda awesome. 😀
Boats definetely need the semi solid state cells and solid state cells at 40-150% better energy density per kg. 👍🏻😎
It's a wakesport boat. Designed for that sport to create a large wake simulating a wave that a surfer can ride on without a tether to the boat. They are highly specialised boats and not a party cruise boat. So your question is irrelevant for this boat. Range is not an issue. They will probably go a short distance offshore to suitable water outside of any speed restrictions and just play around in that general area. Distance is not what they are about - just time on the water sufficient to satisfy a boarder's needs before stopping for a rest and drinks. That would probably be half an hour locating, then four half hour blasts with an hour slow cruising for lunch. then half an hour back to the marina. Four hours mixed use.
No boat gets good mpg unless its a sailboat. Even a small fishing boat with a 4 stroke outboard might get 12mpg when cruising at 20mph.
@@Hitstirrer Sure, we know what a wakesport boat is. And they get used in all kinds of ways, even to go places. Number of hours of unquantified activity is meaningless. A range rating at a given speed would be useful, even if that is not how the boat is typically used. It's a fundamental evasion of a key characteristic of the boat.
I love this idea, but I can't stop seeing that charger fall in the water on a regular basis
Only 500hp?
Going to watch more to see what the weight is with that huge battery. Wondering about the thrust to power ratio long term
Only thing they missed on this Boat was not having a Captain chair on the port side.
I'm seriously missing something here, but hasn't the electrification of ships/boats been around much longer than the automotive industry ? Electric ferries, , electric tugboats, electrified sailboats, solar electric catamarans, various DIY kits motor + battery for small fishing boats and rafts simply exist and are used. In recent years even short distance EV cargo boats have been built( Yara Birkeland ).
They’re rocket engineers and they use a prop propeller instead of jet propelled .😉
That's a BAB: Bad-ass boat.
I normally like the sound of an engine, but not on a boat. It gets so noisy under load you have to yell even on a newer 4 strokes. Once you get to a certain speed, wind noise will drown out everything anyway but until that electric sounds really nice.
One design flaw I see here is the charge port, that doesn't look very protected from rain even with the cover sort of hanging overhead. Wouldn't want any water in there corroding everything.
I see places for solar panels. Too bad they aren’t included as most boats sit outside.
will run for 1/2 hour at full power, or two hours 45 minutes at 100hp. based on 500hp being 375kW and having a 200kWh battery. In my mind it needs at least double the battery capacity. And that's assuming 100% efficiency, YMMV. Don't get me wrong, this is a gorgeous boat, with wonderful engineering, but needs a lot more battery and that is going to cost you!
Go design and build one. Seems like you know what you are doing. Count me in for your first deposit.
It’s almost never going full power, it’s going just fast enough to throw up a good wave out back. As you point out, it’ll do a half day of wakeboarding, no problem.
Until they sell one, and the owner actually test it, we're going to get their marketing "good speak". I know you want more power for more time, speed, etc., but 226kWh is already a massive battery pack. (best guess, nearly a ton, but they don't say jack about the pack, or show it) If there's more available volume, and it doesn't ruin weigh balance, maybe it could be doubled, but it's already insanely expensive.
If they can make a 280 hp version for $70K they will sell all day long.
It's not about HP. TORQUE is what you want to see. Electric motors are very good for torque. (that's why many gas boat engines run at pretty high RPMs to be geared down to hundreds/dozens at the propeller.)
Boat looks amazing. The question is, will people go to an electric boat over gas? 🤔
Boat owners would switch to electric in a heartbeat if it met their needs. Salmon sport fisherman out in Puget Sound or in Alaska that goes out for 12-14 hours? Nope.
Lake front vacation home for mornings of water skiing and evenings of booze cruising? Absolutely.
I just want a ~20ft displacement hull, speed ~5 knots maybe max 10 knots
buy and old pontoon and put a 86lb thrust 24v trolling motor on it rigged to a group of lfp batteries. Heck you could cover the top with solar panels.
What battery chemistry is it?!
Well, I think we can throw out LFP since the mentioned having a storage charge limit
If I lived on or near water, I would have an electric boat. There is no reason to put up with gas boat's issues any more. But like cars, the price needs to come down, not everyone wants, or can afford a quarter of a million dollar boat.
This is not your middle class recreational activity. The ARC Sport is clearly aimed at the wakeboard & ski enthusiast crowd who already pay six-figures for their boat, rigs, and equipment.
This thing is absolutely sick. If I had the cash, I’d get one yesterday.
You could build your own. It's not even that hard to do... buy boat, fill hull with 200k$ worth of batteries, profit! (motor + controller will run around 4-5k these days. Sadly, HPEVS no longer makes their marine (sealed) motors.)
👍🌟👍
It better be good for $260,000(price could rise depending on where the batteries are made)
It’s a wake ski boat which runs at a pretty specific speed and the power draw should be a very straight forward answer
It won’t be that good because wake boats our a high DRAG design to create the mountain of water
Any naval architects on the team?
Dont try to ask a too smart and complicated question. Simply a short and straight one...-
Range: no good answer.(" Hrs....") simply tell us the ranges for different speeds, simple as that
I’d be curious to know how much power it takes to get it up on a plane and do 20-25mph and how long it can sustain that. I think he said in this or an earlier interview that it would do 30+ hours at 5 mph (or maybe kts).
What about a jet electric boat no prop to worry about
Jets are much less efficient
Plus with Eboat, you don't need to flush out the cooling system every time you trailer it.
I love everything about this boat, but you have to challenge his comment about how much it costs to operate. Tens of dollars to recharge a 200 battery. I have very cheap residential off-peak charging eight cents per kilowatt. Even at that rate full charge would cost me $16. It’s unlikely in a commercial setting marina something like that you’re gonna get charge that shirt however I will concede that it’s still gonna be way cheaper than gas.
That price makes my eyes water but it sounds competing to the other premium options on the market which is what matters. Just seems like so much for so little. (Not trying to talk down there engineering team, just shocked at the market).
High end boats are expensive.
@@jysmtl I never realized it but if that’s the market then that’s the market.
As a car guy, I’ve always thought boats are crazy crazy expense. It is what it is. I do like what I see in this electric boat.
Electric Boats 👌
shouldve asked about NACS
Do the Boats have solar panels on them ? if not why not
The power required to move that boat is immense. Even if the entire roof was comprised of the best solar panels on the market it would make negligible difference and just increase the cost
@@douglasdangelo6755 More range would work out cheaper in the end ?
How much does this thing weight? That has to be taken into consideration when towing. I bet you need at least a 3/4 or 1 ton truck to tow it. Most ICE ski boats like this can towed with a 1/2 ton truck.
The hard top is cool, but otherwise they are loony with the price point.
I think it’s funny when talking about the range of the boat he says. measuring it by miles is a bad representation but when talking about gas boats he measures its efficiency in mpg not a good representation of gas boats wouldn’t you say?
2-3 years ago, I was saying that we need electric boats, and here we are. This is a great start!
I said that 15 years ago.
Another advantage is not breathing all the gas fumes while getting dragged behind the boat
Great to see the electric motors will not stop at cars, but are already make progress in the Air and See space!
I can see the benefits as far as not polluting the water, but what is the payoff point as far as carbon release for the manufacture of the 200 KWH battery 🔋?? Considering average use maybe once a month?
Electric makes sense for boats. Noise of a boat can defo kill the vibe, become annoying. And the rest he mentions.
CEO is avoiding “range/hours of use” question again. 😅😂🙈🤷♂️
Hard to estimate the range, but he can tell you a gas boat gets exactly 1 to 2 mpg, but can't tell you how many miles it gets per kw 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 when ever someone beats around the bush like this you know the answer isn't good...
Nice boat. Just in from the Council on the Prevention of Language Chaos and the word Learning: learning is not a noun. Learning is a verb. You don’t learn a learning. You learn a lesson. Learnings is a non-word always used in corporate mumbo speak to sound smarter(?) by using not a word. The word you are searching for is “lessons”. YW
Where is a kill switch for roll over ?😎
I know that Out of Spec is into the long format videos, but anyone who's buying ANY kind of wake boat wants to know surfing specific information, and I found this VERY lacking sadly. You barely covered the cameras, and completely skipped through how surf modes and cruise control works, what kind of ballast system they have for shaping a wave, how or if they use hull gates or hull tabs, power wedges, etc. Anybody buying ANY kind of boat wants to know about storage, the controls at the pilots station, lighting, navigation (does this thing have GPS?), and you only showed storage below a single seat cushion? THEN you can get into things like "does this thing do OTA updates like a Tesla?" and "what are the powertrain warranties?".
I appreciate the dialogue about how long it took to bring to market, but can you do that AFTER you've covered the fundamentals?
4 to 6 hours is very misleading, to get 6 hours you need to average 33kw which is equivalent to 44hp, Im pretty sure you are going to use a hell of a lot more then 44hp to throw a wake on a boat that heavy...
lol $258,000??
Shop other premium 24’ wakesport boats (Malibu, MasterCraft, Nautique) and as unfortunate as it is, that’s actually a competitive price.
Comparable to ice wake boats of this size&power level. Many other reviews already mentioned this simple FACT. 👍🏻😎
258! What are these people doing to afford that?!
25w to a 98dB speaker is as loud as 400w to an 86dB speaker. If anyone asks "how many watts" to compare speakers, they don't know what they are talking about even if they think they "to geek out about speakers".
Not that it's important to know speakers for an EV channel, but that is very basic knowledge.
Another test is, if someone thinks that Bose makes quality speakers, they generally have no real Clue and are just parroting good marketing.
I just don't understand boat pricing at all.
There is no such thing as a boat for the masses. If you have a boat, you are wealthy.
Obviously not for the average person’s bank account to my way of thinking. $250,000.00+ in U.S. currency add at least 20% up here in the Great White North. I’ll have to stick with my inflatable.😳🙄👍👍🇨🇦. It’s a great boat but…….💰💰
No regen from the water or wind when running to regharge the battery pack???? ;-(
“Flagship boat” 💀💀💀
As for the range question, just give us a range at 5 miles an hour 10 miles an hour 20 miles an hour and 30 miles an hour.
The hours of use just not usable metric at all .
So what's the range? Lol
The motor is a 500 hp motor which at peak would consume 372 kw/h. With 200 available that is full power for around half an hour. On their website the Arc one top speed is 40 mph.
So you could go 20 miles at top speed and then crawl back if that top speed is the same. As they stated they leave a buffer to make it back at slow speed if the battery is empty.
You could travel dramatically farther at slower speeds. He stated at the lowest speed you could go for over 24 hours with the last 5%.