Does An Electric Boat Really Make Sense? I Water Ski To Find Out!

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  • @99unclebob
    @99unclebob 3 місяці тому +148

    Nice review Andre, people in the comments bring the same old non sense, and have listened and not heard what was said in the video, most marinas with luxury boats are wired with high power capacity, this boat is not aimed at the average consumer, it's a top end wake boat and is price competitive in that segment of the market , saltwater will do nothing to this boat ,in fact with a closed loop cooling set up, no issues there and it has a bilge pump like any other boat , i run a 24 foot houseboat on pontoons on a small lake with an electric trolling motor and 2 100 amp hour Li-ion batteries of the automotive design and on the lake for 6 hours and have no problems and i don't have to smell gas or oil , they recharge easily and in 4 hours again no problems 👍

    • @Gnosticware
      @Gnosticware 3 місяці тому +9

      What's needed is more marine electrification options. It's got a long history where the big boats use electric motor pods and huge generators (similar to trains). GM has a division on bringing Ultium to marine applications so we should see more of that.
      I've spent lots of time with outboards when I was younger, an electric boat would be so much more pleasant.

    • @stevey_z
      @stevey_z 3 місяці тому +4

      Have you considered adding solar ?

    • @GautamAtri
      @GautamAtri 3 місяці тому +1

      I like what you're doing. Pretty awesome

    • @rdlangston13
      @rdlangston13 3 місяці тому +2

      @@stevey_z the surface area on the top of that boat is not big enough to yield meaningful extension in range with solar panels.

    • @jamesbrown3358
      @jamesbrown3358 3 місяці тому +1

      Cool segment. I hope for more in the future so pricing will come down

  • @DSC800
    @DSC800 3 місяці тому +123

    Nice review but so little information on range per kwh, etc. At the beginning the CEO mentions a gas equivalent would only get 1 or 2 miles per gallon but I didn't hear what this boat gets. Then at 16:20 Andre says it used "15%" for something like "two hours of pulls and boating". Come on guys! From the beginning I was waiting to hear officially from the CEO what the kwh useage was, or later from Andre. It kinda seems like it's so bad they don't want us to know ???

    • @gotgarkala
      @gotgarkala 3 місяці тому +8

      Exactly

    • @TheAnnoyingBoss
      @TheAnnoyingBoss 3 місяці тому +14

      It uses a ton and the battery cost a fortune.

    • @ashleysullivan3411
      @ashleysullivan3411 3 місяці тому

      Exactly what?

    • @dandj8699
      @dandj8699 3 місяці тому +12

      This is a radical change in the sport boat market. It’s price competitive and capable. If you don’t like it fine, but stop tearing it down.

    • @TheWilber09
      @TheWilber09 3 місяці тому +6

      "500hp motor " would consume 373,000 watts at full power in one hour. The battery capacity was stated as 226,000 watts. But obviously, you won't be at full power all the time. So it definitely has its usage case for some people who makes sense. Annnnd this is all assuming I am mathing correctly.
      And approximately 34,000 watts in two hours assuming a full charge.

  • @IGmeanwell
    @IGmeanwell 3 місяці тому +122

    TFLBoat is on its way and Andrey gets his wish 😂

    • @TFLEV
      @TFLEV  3 місяці тому +16

      Woohoo!

  • @44beebe
    @44beebe 3 місяці тому +23

    I can't believe how ridiculous the comments are from people who clearly aren't very experienced with these type of wakeboarding/surfing boats. 15 percent battery life for a couple of hours of boating is great. So is the price when compared to similar new boats. I have been boating all my life. Usually it's just an afternoon for 2-3 hours tops (more than that gets to be pretty exhausting both for the boaters and the driver). In my opinion this boat seems better than the gasoline competition in almost every way....especially the new price.

    • @dirtrider88
      @dirtrider88 2 місяці тому +2

      he said they did a few pulls. this wasnt a couple hours of boating

    • @allegorx58
      @allegorx58 2 місяці тому +5

      Idk man I grew up wakeboarding and we would run our boats from sun up to sun down a lot of days…if not most of them.

    • @Deltathegoldenretriever
      @Deltathegoldenretriever 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@allegorx58 that's not the norm!

    • @allegorx58
      @allegorx58 2 місяці тому +2

      @@Deltathegoldenretriever i get it i mean we were tournament riders or whatever so it’s not really normal but i still think lots of people spend all day out on their boat whether they or riding or just kickin in. electric boats are getting there but just like cars man they can’t replace ices.

    • @44beebe
      @44beebe 2 місяці тому

      @@allegorx58 it's pretty normal for most people to spend only a couple hours boating at a time. I lived right next to the boat docks and went there nearly every day. Except for special events most people don't spend much time boating at any one time. I've probably been boating on a wakeboarding boat 300 or so times with many different families and groups besides my own. Only once did I ever stay on a boat for more than 3 hours....and that was for an all day party where 30+ people wanted to take a turn.

  • @Thebackson
    @Thebackson 3 місяці тому +20

    WAY out of my price range but I am excited to start seeing this. A smaller 5-7 person multi purpose boat like a deck boat would be great or even an electric pontoon boat with a solar roof would be awesome for putting around the lake peacefully.

  • @kyle8380
    @kyle8380 3 місяці тому +35

    Outkast ATLiens on the touch screen. Good jam.

  • @RasmussenStewartAuto
    @RasmussenStewartAuto 3 місяці тому +12

    Another excellent piece from TFL and TOTALLY unexpected...! Great job, Andre, hope our paths cross sometime (here in Colorado) and being a boater, your evaluation/delivery and conversation with CEO was top-notch and spot-on! Thank you.

    • @TFLEV
      @TFLEV  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you for watching and your kind words.

  • @saddist1Gtown
    @saddist1Gtown 3 місяці тому +14

    I agree with Andre, just like the cars they should send this boat to you for a full review in the real world. Yes, that is a lake but it is still under controlled conditions, most probably where it was developed.

  • @wesalexander2693
    @wesalexander2693 3 місяці тому +2

    Great review, Andrey. While I am still not an EV fan, at least not EV's for all applications, I can see where a boat of this size being electric makes a lot of sense. No gas vapors, a lot less maintenance, much cleaner on the water, instant torque, quieter operation, very nice! Maybe as they proliferate in the market prices will come down.

  • @duanermoyer
    @duanermoyer 3 місяці тому +9

    Really great complete redesign of a boat taking advantage of the efficiency and reliability of electric. Best of success ARC.

    • @allegorx58
      @allegorx58 3 місяці тому +1

      you must use a wonky definition of efficiency.

  • @ericlangenfeld1929
    @ericlangenfeld1929 3 місяці тому +12

    Awesome review. My family and I are big time boaters, but that really means once or twice a week in the summer. This would be perfect for that, and even 110V charging would keep it topped up I'm sure. Amazing tech.

    • @NomenClature-o8s
      @NomenClature-o8s 2 місяці тому

      Go buy one. It’s only $258,000.

    • @Skooozle
      @Skooozle 24 дні тому

      Seems like this would be an excellent use case for solar charging.

  • @corywilson3549
    @corywilson3549 3 місяці тому +26

    Being in the marine/boating industry, Yamaha master tech, this was a very intriguing video. I’ve been waiting for larger boats to incorporate electric powertrains. The barrier has always been battery tech and range. Looks like technology is finally getting there.

    • @TheScottishKayaker
      @TheScottishKayaker 3 місяці тому

      I have always wondered why larger ships don't use battery hybrid systems like you see making trains so efficient. Is there particular reasons they don't or do they and its just not reported much? Usually only hear of large ships burning really inefficient marine diesel

    • @corywilson3549
      @corywilson3549 3 місяці тому

      @@TheScottishKayaker I may be wrong but I think in most large ships the engines aren’t directly driving the propulsion, they are electric drives

    • @stinkwink695
      @stinkwink695 2 місяці тому

      @@TheScottishKayaker That is how many large ships do it. Newer ships even have several propulsion pods with the motor in them that can swivel 360 degrees and move the ship in any direction.

    • @polska905
      @polska905 2 місяці тому

      @@corywilson3549 most container and oil tankers use direct drive, cruise ships are diesel electric.

    • @polska905
      @polska905 2 місяці тому

      @@TheScottishKayaker trains get their efficiency from steel wheels on steel rails, they use diesel electric setup because mechanical transmissions don't last long in that application.

  • @sandshark5584
    @sandshark5584 3 місяці тому +3

    This is actually really cool. I can see a lot of practical uses especially the less maintenance for regular boat users that likely have them sitting for a long time.

  • @petemiller519
    @petemiller519 3 місяці тому +3

    Cool boat, I like how quiet it is. I wish you would have asked for it's range. I presume given the fact you did not tells me it is quite poor. Most marinas provide up to 50Amps @ 120V power. For a 50A circuit, continuous charging is at 80% of maximum, which is 40Amps. In one hour you get 40A x 120V = 4.8KWh of charge. That means a 230 KWh pack will charge for 230KWh / 4.8KWh/h = 48 hours, or two full days. Charging the battery does not happen "overnight", but two days instead.

  • @jakeringer3153
    @jakeringer3153 3 місяці тому +13

    "how much is this, this is ridiculously expensive right?" - yeah!

    • @zackriden79
      @zackriden79 3 місяці тому +1

      260 k it states on google

    • @zackriden79
      @zackriden79 3 місяці тому +4

      a yamaha jet boat thats some what the same 25 foot is 116k for prospective

  • @scubatrucker6806
    @scubatrucker6806 3 місяці тому +9

    I knew Andre had a boat but didn't know he could wake board .. Great job Andre 🤙🤙. If i had the money i would buy

  • @stevekniess3665
    @stevekniess3665 4 місяці тому +23

    Thank you Andre good job on the wake board

    • @TFLEV
      @TFLEV  3 місяці тому +4

      Any time!

  • @craig8638
    @craig8638 3 місяці тому +34

    For people who think this is comparatively expensive check out what these types of boats costs from manufacturers like Nautique. Their top model is $435,200.

    • @connorjohnson3291
      @connorjohnson3291 3 місяці тому +11

      The issue is that it’s not comparable whatsoever 😅 Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a good idea, but they missed the mark entirely in terms of target audience. Tesla Model 3s insanely popular because of how cheap they are compared to other EVs or even performance cars. This point is at the upper 85% price point of wake boats, but doesn’t have half the features and creature comforts as those boats. My Mastercraft X26, and it’s competitor the Nautique Paragon 25 both have 150+ more horsepower, at least double the amount of speakers, RGB lights all around the interior, exterior, and underneath the boats, heated seats, in boat heaters, mini refrigerators, life jacket heaters, rear facing lounge seats, and 2-3 more feet worth of boat length. And maybe they had their wave setting on a smaller level (which I don’t know who you would if you’re trying to show the boat of, but that wake surf wave was smaller than an entry level Mastercraft or Nautique that cost $100k. Higher priced Tesla’s have the credibility and selling point of being able to beat high performance sports cars in 0-60 and drag races. This boat doesn’t out luxury, or out wake surf capability its price bracket competition, so I’m not sure what the selling point really is other than if you like EVs over gas and engines. Should’ve either gone the low price model 3 path, or insane performance to justify price path as the model S Plaid

    • @plmn93
      @plmn93 3 місяці тому

      @@connorjohnson3291 Keep your party barge off my lakes, please.

    • @Zee216
      @Zee216 3 місяці тому +4

      Yamaha wakeboats start at like 80k

    • @lewiswatchorn7239
      @lewiswatchorn7239 3 місяці тому +3

      How much does it weigh? Boats need to be pulled around and having this thing being twice the weight of a comparable gas boat could be an issue. Also, needs a range test. I’m not so much into spending $250k on a fake wave machine but I do like to go ocean fishing and range is important.

    • @craig8638
      @craig8638 3 місяці тому +1

      @@lewiswatchorn7239 I wonder how much it weighs as well. I don’t think anyone has mentioned it but with a 225 kW battery it’s going to be very heavy.

  • @Clam73
    @Clam73 3 місяці тому +35

    Seems like boats make the most sense for electric. There's usually electric at a marina dock if you leave your boat there, reliability out on the water, zero fuels into the water, quietness on the water, no fumes trailing you, etc.

    • @fastfed
      @fastfed 3 місяці тому +5

      Electric sport vehicles are literally the worst. Jet skis,boats, snowmobile,ATV. They are all terrible. Wtf you talking about

    • @MB-jz3uu
      @MB-jz3uu 3 місяці тому +4

      Plus solar panels are going to be more effective in the ocean where there is nothing blocking the sun but the possibility of clouds

    • @bubba9384
      @bubba9384 3 місяці тому +2

      Solar panels?
      Sure for charging your phone... but even with nothing else draining the battery, you would be lucky to get a couple miles from a full day of charging off solar.
      And an electric boat is much worse than an electric car...

    • @kristopherbuchanan974
      @kristopherbuchanan974 2 місяці тому

      @@fastfedit takes actual investment to make a good product. Sure there are bad products out there that are electric, but there are no huge hurdles to overcome really with the technology that exist already if you want a day on the lake. Sure if they want to install crap batteries and motors that are undersized then it will not be good. Make a good product that is fairly priced and it’s achievable.

    • @fastfed
      @fastfed 2 місяці тому

      @@kristopherbuchanan974 show me that product. Some of the best ev motorcycles has all this "tech" and "good product" yet you still get pitiful mileage and take too long to charge. Oh and no one is buying them.

  • @busboy262
    @busboy262 3 місяці тому +4

    I didn't know what to expect going into the video, but ended up interested. I don't have the income to be interested as a buyer, but seeing the execution. It appears to be done well.
    I think the bad news is that an electric boat doesn't yet have a place in the affordable range. That particular consumer demands longevity. Batteries get worse over time and eventually need to be replaced. I know a lot of people that live on the lake and some have had the same boat and power train for 20 years.

    • @boblatkey7160
      @boblatkey7160 3 місяці тому

      You're pretty much wrong there. These electric boats over the course of their entire lives are going to easily compete with traditional gasoline engine style boats. Just watch.

  • @rose415
    @rose415 3 місяці тому +27

    Trolling without exhaust fumes. Awesome….just came back from Copenhagen, there was small rental boats with huge electric trolling motors all over the canals there

  • @bcrumbs937
    @bcrumbs937 2 місяці тому +2

    That thing is beautiful and awesome! Why do people always have to be so salty because they can't afford it or don't understand it? You don't have to shit on everything to try and make yourself feel better. I can't afford it, either. That doesn't make it bad or stupid. EV's have come a long way and are here to stay.

  • @marksanko6138
    @marksanko6138 3 місяці тому +4

    As someone with a Tige that has 4 kids and wakeboard, water ski, and tube all day on the weekends all summer long, this boat can’t replace what we currently use. I can run through a tank or two on a full summer day. The kids and their friends spend all day on the boat. That electric boat would run out of juice quick, and then will need to charge a long time. Until an electric boat can replace a current wake boat in every way, it’s dead on arrival.

    • @boblatkey7160
      @boblatkey7160 3 місяці тому

      You're full of shit! Just wait and watch. Although I do understand that this boat may not work for you because it does not carry 13 cases of beer.

    • @allegorx58
      @allegorx58 3 місяці тому

      that’s why you buy two.

  • @valerianteritron4424
    @valerianteritron4424 3 місяці тому

    Wow, this is so great, and what we waited for so long! People in vacation areas want to relax and have fun! They don't want to hear fuel engine noises and also no exhaust fumes! I wish you and all such pionieers the best luck and a good business!

  • @frankkollar2278
    @frankkollar2278 Місяць тому +1

    This is pretty sweet. You should develop a trailer with enough solar to charge the boat in the time it sits between uses. Cheers!

  • @bytemark6508
    @bytemark6508 3 місяці тому +10

    Amazing video, thank Andre!
    And what's nice about electric boats, other than the low (or no) maintenance and fuel savings, is that there is no need to plan for winter. So no radiator or someting that keeps you hot while it's cold out. This is exclusively made for warm weather, which simplifies a lot the design.
    Also, I'm really surprised to see that they didn't add solar panels on top of the cover. That would make it self charging, at least partially, seeing that most people drive their boats only on weekends, leaving it in the dock during the rest of time. Unlike a car, the sitting time is really much longer than the driving time.

    • @kaseyc5078
      @kaseyc5078 3 місяці тому

      With outboard engines there is no need to plan for winter either

    • @TFLEV
      @TFLEV  3 місяці тому +1

      Thank you for watching.

  • @richardnottelmann58
    @richardnottelmann58 3 місяці тому +3

    This had to be one of the funnest videos you guys have made in a long time.
    Great job.

    • @TFLEV
      @TFLEV  3 місяці тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @andrewbismire6538
    @andrewbismire6538 3 місяці тому +33

    This is something that added battery weight would be an advantage. I hope real world usage hours match petrol powered boats

    • @peiguy1982
      @peiguy1982 3 місяці тому +1

      110 liter tank of gas equivalent.

    • @ZzHasbrozZ
      @ZzHasbrozZ 3 місяці тому +1

      It won’t

    • @Shabass
      @Shabass 3 місяці тому +2

      Like it's said, it's about like the same of having around 29 us gallons of gasoline.
      The efficency of the electric motor is pretty high vs the ice engine. That's why it's about like having that amout of gaz with a v8.

  • @samjennings8207
    @samjennings8207 3 місяці тому +3

    This makes a lot of sense for boats (not so much for yachts). Excited to see the prices come down as this becomes more mainstream.

    • @DrEd-th2lu
      @DrEd-th2lu 3 місяці тому

      It will never be mainstream…

  • @DrEd-th2lu
    @DrEd-th2lu 3 місяці тому +2

    I would not want that to get near salt water for long, or to go out far. Corrosion is a nightmare with one lead acid battery. Can’t call for a few gallons of fuel when a few miles out. We run about 6-8 hours a day without re-fueling. Nice novelty, but not at all practical, not to mention dangerous like any EV.

  • @Jeffro-n4d
    @Jeffro-n4d 2 місяці тому +3

    Cool! No water pollution! Can you add solar panels to the tower top?

  • @yournumberonepal
    @yournumberonepal 3 місяці тому +4

    That is a big battery! 😮 What would be cool is allowing for the boat battery to be used as a home battery in the off season. I could swear, boats didn't run $200k+ years ago. Something weird going on, I remember when they were $30-50k for a ski boat.

    • @allegorx58
      @allegorx58 3 місяці тому

      When I was young - very big into wakeboarding - the best of the best wake boats were $50-60k new.

    • @DrEd-th2lu
      @DrEd-th2lu 3 місяці тому

      Bidenflation is what happened. The US did uncontrolled spending screwing the world….

    • @kstorm889
      @kstorm889 3 місяці тому +1

      Supply and demand my guy. Plus, ski boats didn't have 600hp supercharged V8's they had simple carbureted small blocks, and no electronics and ballast and all that jazz

    • @willywonka2164
      @willywonka2164 Місяць тому +1

      When banks started writing mortgages for boats and people are dumb enough to pay them, the boat prices rocketed.

    • @Skooozle
      @Skooozle 24 дні тому +1

      You can ski behind a Jon boat with a strong outboard motor. If you want a chrome V8, a concert level sound system and touch screens, I guess you gotta scrape together another 1/4 million dollars.

  • @dingleyfarm
    @dingleyfarm 2 місяці тому +5

    Does it have regenerative waking???

    • @EXMORr
      @EXMORr Місяць тому

      😭😭

  • @boxherold1177
    @boxherold1177 21 день тому

    Wakeboarding is not easy. Nice job! I bet a remote control for this would be super useful for loading and unloading by yourself. I would love to have one of these.

  • @bob15479
    @bob15479 3 місяці тому +1

    my buddies and I make frequent trips to a nearby lake for 1-2hrs of boating. we have done the math and an electric truck + boat combo would save a LOT of money for us. we love the idea.

    • @rdlangston13
      @rdlangston13 3 місяці тому

      Could you make it there an back with an electric truck? I've looked into it and for me I could only make it one way towing my boat with an R1T or a Lightning, would have to find someplace to stop and kill a couple hours to recharge. Towing this you get even worse range because I am sure this weights more than my current boat.

    • @bob15479
      @bob15479 3 місяці тому

      @@rdlangston13 we are lucky to live relatively close, about 40 miles away. so yes we'd make it.

  • @jdfleetguy28
    @jdfleetguy28 3 місяці тому +8

    Aaaaaaahm I am telling Roman, Andre broke the no shorts on camera rule. Shame shame on you Andre. lol lol 😂😅😂😂😂😂
    All serious it was a great video guys!
    I know I would enjoy a TFL Floats Chanel if can ever get Roman to go for it.
    Enjoyed the video guys, looked like a really nice boat.

  • @alwaysplaythegame
    @alwaysplaythegame 2 місяці тому +2

    This is one of those cases where if you have to ask what the price is - you can't afford it.

    • @erezjr
      @erezjr 2 місяці тому

      Nope. It matters. That's what a broke person says.

    • @alwaysplaythegame
      @alwaysplaythegame 2 місяці тому

      ​@@erezjr It matters for your final decision, but people asking the question before looking at the boat aren't actually going to be interested. The number of people that can afford a $300k sport boat is exceptionally small.

  • @janet53589
    @janet53589 3 місяці тому +3

    Here is the issue, people. EVs rely on a trick of getting the average power right down low, even though peak power is allowed to be high for short periods. But, but. Boats cannot do this. They have a high average power, even worse than trailer towing. Thus, they are fully incompatible with electric battery drive. Ask him what the top speed is, and what the range is at top speed. Ask also what the range is at 30 mph cruise. You will find all these answers to be abysmal and unworkable. Boating needs hydrogen. It is the only way to get the total energy needed. Batteries are for toys only. The Green crusaders have butchered the technology and gone in the wrong direction entirely and wasted 20 years of development. What they need to do is a deal with Toyota, to use their superb Mirai power train. Toyota was right all along.

    • @peterwilliams1119
      @peterwilliams1119 2 місяці тому

      If Mirai is so good why are there millions of electric cars on the road and just a handful of hydrogen cars.

    • @janet53589
      @janet53589 2 місяці тому

      @@peterwilliams1119 Because Evs have until now got a free ride on energy systems built at others' cost. But not everyone can be a leech. As soon as EVs are forced to pay their own way, they will be highly expensive and problematic. It is beginning to happen already.

  • @tommycollier9172
    @tommycollier9172 3 місяці тому +1

    I feel so fortunate To have live long enough to see this Thanks for sharing

  • @1tubeleo
    @1tubeleo 3 місяці тому

    Andre, surprised you didn't mention that Electric+High Altitude=No Power Loss. I'm even older than you and on our summer Ski Camping trips to Blue Mesa it definitely was harder to get pulled up on a Slalom Ski. Good video

  • @smallfgb
    @smallfgb 28 днів тому

    Great review. I’m gonna be lugging down 70 gallons of gas to the boathouse later today. I love this idea. The wakesurf wake looks smaller and shorter than the competing. 200k boats. What was the wakeboard pull speed? The lip looked washed out and wasn’t sure if just going to slow or hull/ballast issue. Were the ballasts full for surfing?

  • @chrislodholm7034
    @chrislodholm7034 3 місяці тому +3

    I love how you said a couple of runs, and it's already down 15%, and when it needs to be charged after a couple of hours of boarding they didn't even mention how long it would take to charge! Probably all night!! Waste of money!!!

  • @wrenchboostboi8994
    @wrenchboostboi8994 3 місяці тому +1

    It’s definitely interesting… i can see the allure for a lot of people, but definitely not even close to everyone. Gas still has its convenience, like refueling takes 5 minutes and you can carry extra fuel tanks on board. Electric you have those limitations. I like the quiet of the motor, but honestly I also enjoy the roar of an engine lol the fumes I can go without though, that always bugged me - especially with 2 strokes. I like the functionality of the interior though, they did an excellent job there. The extending hard top is awesome. Still gotta hear those numbies tho budd!

    • @ct1762
      @ct1762 2 місяці тому

      what "fumes"??? have you not been on a modern 4 stroke outboard boat? actually for the last 30+ years they have been near silent with no gas smell. but love the 2 strokes . cant be beaten for power/price ratio even today

    • @wrenchboostboi8994
      @wrenchboostboi8994 2 місяці тому

      @@ct1762that’s why i kinda added the whole stroke thing after i stated that

  • @kbous692
    @kbous692 3 місяці тому +2

    Thank you, Andre, for a great video. Didn’t know you’re a boater and surfer!

    • @TFLEV
      @TFLEV  3 місяці тому

      No worries!

  • @davemurphy2356
    @davemurphy2356 4 місяці тому +5

    Great story Andre. Looks like a fantastic boat.

    • @TFLEV
      @TFLEV  3 місяці тому

      Many thanks!

    • @billybobbob3003
      @billybobbob3003 3 місяці тому

      @@TFLEV This boat is a big heavy expensive ewaste turd. My 1960s starcraft runabout all aluminum wont get stuck on sandbars like this thing would. I can just drive right up on sandbar or beach push it right off. Plus much more range with couple tanks. I got rid of a thunderbird cathedral hull 18 ft fiberglass boat which is still better than this electric boat for the very same kinda reasons. Runabouts/aluminum boats are the best take them anywhere lakes,rivers, bays and oceans.

    • @corywilson3549
      @corywilson3549 3 місяці тому

      But not for wake sports.

    • @billybobbob3003
      @billybobbob3003 3 місяці тому

      @@corywilson3549 u can do it any boat.

  • @paulwicklund5044
    @paulwicklund5044 3 місяці тому +4

    Will they make small fishing boats to compete with LUND boats.

  • @bob15479
    @bob15479 3 місяці тому +1

    not to be a downer but at 200kwh doesn't a level 2 charger struggle to do that overnight?

  • @mikeiva3896
    @mikeiva3896 3 місяці тому +2

    Very cool ! can’t wait to see the next couple models 😆Thanks for Sharing 👋🏻

  • @kennyfordham6208
    @kennyfordham6208 3 місяці тому +2

    Ok, now tell us how far you can travel, on a single charge. Then tell us how long we have to wait, until it recharges. 😏

    • @glenramsey73
      @glenramsey73 Місяць тому

      pack is n3 times the size of a Tesla and they go over 300 miles so easily would last for days not a problem at all and recharges overnight like he said

  • @bryanciacco4181
    @bryanciacco4181 3 місяці тому +4

    Why doesn't the massive hard top have solar panels

    • @Derkenblosh2
      @Derkenblosh2 3 місяці тому

      Because math... nobody cares about waiting an entire month to get 5% charge.
      Solar on electric cars = gimmicky crap for sales people to point at

  • @reinhardtkk
    @reinhardtkk 3 місяці тому +3

    So going all out the battery might last about 30minutes at best

    • @Kingmx912
      @Kingmx912 3 місяці тому

      What makes you assume that?

    • @DrEd-th2lu
      @DrEd-th2lu 3 місяці тому +2

      @@Kingmx912EV’s can’t last long pulling anything. Look at all the failed EV trucks. Water has the greatest resistance of any transport medium. You can’t change the law of physics… Cute novelty, but not practical. The boat market will never have many EV’s.

    • @NomenClature-o8s
      @NomenClature-o8s 2 місяці тому

      @@Kingmx912Because boats unlike cars typically run 3/4 throttle or more. Electric vehicles consume electricity very quickly at 3/4 or wide open throttle.

  • @FuzTheCat
    @FuzTheCat 3 місяці тому +1

    That's a lot of money. However, I like that the price includes all the bells and whistles.

  • @DMaN333v
    @DMaN333v 3 місяці тому +1

    I love boats, especially wakeboard boats and fishing boats, you should do a jet ski and an outboard one as well!

  • @derekl9702
    @derekl9702 3 місяці тому +1

    It would be nice to know the storage profile. Also noticed the electric whine was pretty loud even if the engine was quiet. . I hope they can reduce that a little bit. Side note It seems like you could have a boat that was maybe half that battery size size for a non-wakeboard boat. I would look forward to that and the non-foundational price.

  • @SAPPER235PUNISHER
    @SAPPER235PUNISHER 20 днів тому

    I missed the part about charge time vs time on the water an range. Anybody catch That? Im not a big fan of the electric movement but these guys did a great job. Love the idea af a low to no maintenace system

  • @houstonbrice12
    @houstonbrice12 Місяць тому

    ELEVATORS!!! What a jam! Only the real ones know

  • @roman9762
    @roman9762 Місяць тому

    If they can get the price point to 180-200k, they will sell the crap out of them. At the current price, it's a novelty. I like where it's headed, especially for recreational boating on lakes electric makes sense.

  • @ATLOffroad
    @ATLOffroad 3 місяці тому

    Very cool review. I’m skeptical of electric boats (mainly endurance) but it is always fun to watch a boat review.

  • @benrupp04
    @benrupp04 3 місяці тому +2

    My boat wouldn’t start yesterday when we tried to use it after being in storage all winter so I can definitely see a case for an electric boat. It would take a lot of the hassle out of boating.

  • @tf810
    @tf810 3 місяці тому +2

    I wonder what battery chemistry is. Do you leave it at 100% for the winter? Does it need to be plugged in while in long term storage?

    • @boblatkey7160
      @boblatkey7160 3 місяці тому

      Probably quite quite similar to an electric car, all very easy.

  • @r0guestorm964
    @r0guestorm964 3 місяці тому +12

    I was expecting solar panels on the tower. I guess that will be the next version?

    • @KillaninjaFC
      @KillaninjaFC 3 місяці тому +2

      I would prefer prewire or tie-in points for bringing my own solar kit and deploying it in the field when needed. Longevity and maintenance/cleaning of a fully integrated kit would be a concern in a marine environment

    • @DSC800
      @DSC800 3 місяці тому +16

      Any solar panels on the boat would take a month of sun to get 30 minutes of board time.

    • @Stuka87
      @Stuka87 3 місяці тому +5

      @@DSC800 Most people only go boating 1-2 times a month. So even if it took 30 days, that would be fine for most people.

    • @boblatkey7160
      @boblatkey7160 3 місяці тому +2

      That wouldn't even provide a fraction of what the battery needs!

    • @DSC800
      @DSC800 3 місяці тому +2

      @@Stuka87 really? So they go 1-2 times a month just for 15 minutes a time? lol. The boat would need to parked out in the sun, no cover or shade, kept clean and oriented correctly. So, no, not meaningful at all.

  • @ShaneZertuche
    @ShaneZertuche Місяць тому

    $30-$40 for a day on the water is pretty cheap if your using a full 232kWH I think between the fuel cost and maintenance this is where the electric boats will shine and makes a lot of sense.

  • @zaxwolfgang7143
    @zaxwolfgang7143 3 місяці тому +15

    Soo.. what’s the range???

    • @enigma9789
      @enigma9789 3 місяці тому +2

      5 surf sessions.

    • @kstorm889
      @kstorm889 3 місяці тому +1

      That's like asking the range of a gas boat. You can get 1.5mpg in a 60' trawler, and you can also get 1mpg in a 24' surf boat. You can also cruise along and get 10mpg.

    • @enigma9789
      @enigma9789 3 місяці тому +1

      @@kstorm889 hahaha. no boat is getting 10mpg

    • @kstorm889
      @kstorm889 3 місяці тому

      @@enigma9789 there are so many boats that will get 10mpg at under 5 knots.

    • @enigma9789
      @enigma9789 3 місяці тому +1

      @@kstorm889 So no wake speed? Thats not cruising speed. Hell thats slower than surf speed. You are out of your mind.

  • @bhosterman
    @bhosterman 3 місяці тому

    Seems like the appropriate use for BEV. But how long does it take to charge? How long does it last? Do you get one full use a day? Omitting that info leaves the impression that the numbers are not really that great. "in the morning you're ready to go..."

  • @AgentSmith911
    @AgentSmith911 3 місяці тому

    The instant and massive torque of electric motors are always awesome, and perfect for getting a heavy boat on plane. The batteries need improvement though, and not sure if I enjoy the whining sound in the long term.

  • @timothygrable2099
    @timothygrable2099 3 місяці тому

    Electric can be competitive in this market I believe. When you look at the cost of outboards or in boards, battery packs cost the same. My Yamaha f250 plus rigging easily hits 28k new. Curios at the cost comparison of a 250 HP electric with similar 60 gallon gas range.

  • @stephtraveler7378
    @stephtraveler7378 3 місяці тому +2

    Interesting with a couple concerns. Finding good boat servicing is tough as it is. I can't imagine calling around trying to find someone that can work on an electric motor...
    Secondly, high voltage and salt water dont make a good mix. Go watch the footage of all the burning Teslas after hurricane IAN hit south Florida.
    Finally, where are the on-water battery chargers????

  • @piranha7719
    @piranha7719 3 місяці тому +1

    Very cool! I love one of these when I lived near the water.

  • @LearningFast
    @LearningFast 3 місяці тому +1

    That’s a really nice boat. Looks great to me.

  • @profjohnfrinks
    @profjohnfrinks 3 місяці тому +4

    We paid around 80k for our 2011 Mastercraft. It is not a bare bones boat. Upgraded stereo, power lifting tower, heater, etc... it is shocking how prices have tripled - quadrupled in such a short span of time... whether a regular gas boat or what we see here... 😮

    • @ashleysullivan3411
      @ashleysullivan3411 3 місяці тому

      What? You think inflation has been at a standstill all these years

    • @Tallnerdyguy
      @Tallnerdyguy 3 місяці тому

      13 years ago comparing prices to today?

    • @profjohnfrinks
      @profjohnfrinks 3 місяці тому

      @@Tallnerdyguy When else would I compare to? That's when I last bought a boat. Before that was 2001, for 55k. Then my dad before that in 87 for 35k. Increases of around 45-55%. Now the increase is at a minimum of 200% and going to 3 and 400% for a similar span of time. All we have is the past to compare with and its completely reasonable to do. Pay scale hasn't increased at such rates. It doesn't look pretty.

  • @paial
    @paial 3 місяці тому

    500hp = 372kw
    226kwh
    At WoT: 36 min
    At 50%: 1:12 min
    A 24ft ballasted wakeboard boat uses at least 200hp (150kw) to keed doing at a descent speed...
    At 150kw it will run empty at 1:30h ... Unfortunately not close to enough for most people... And it is VERY unlikely that we will have high speed chargers at marinas any time soon

    • @polska905
      @polska905 3 місяці тому +1

      And that's assuming 100% efficiency with zero loss at the controller and motor... 😂😂😂

  • @christianglaude6659
    @christianglaude6659 3 місяці тому +5

    With the experience I've seen people beginners problem having with the "Foundation" series of most startup company, I'd wait a few years for the bugs to be cleaned out and the price going dooooown
    But I love the idea, just a major problem is that accidents are bound to happen due to it being so quiet, perhaps im wrong about that.

    • @papasquat355
      @papasquat355 3 місяці тому +1

      Just like in the EV sector, very few start-ups will make it. Then you're stuck with a bespoke boat and no support. Hopefully an entrepreneur will realize that building off the shelf electric drivetrains that these start-ups can just stick in their boat is the better play. One company to provide service and spare parts.

    • @plmn93
      @plmn93 3 місяці тому

      @@papasquat355 Many boats on the water are old. Mine is 20 years old and still looks and works great. Just like with cars, a big issue with these will be that when the batteries die in 10 years of so it will be ridiculously expensive to replace them, if they even can be replaced, which is not a sure thing. That is going to more than offset any fuel and maintenance savings for most people.

    • @dandj8699
      @dandj8699 3 місяці тому

      No one yet knows how expensive battery replacement will be. The technology and processes for doing so is moving forward everyday. And battery recycling will be available in another couple of years. So costs are coming down as we write this.

  • @THE.MICHAEL.ANGELO
    @THE.MICHAEL.ANGELO 3 місяці тому

    I LOVE THIS!!! TFL not being ONLY about EV autos but also aqua!!!!! This is so AWESOME!!! More please!!!!! And way to go Andre!!

    • @Crusader1984
      @Crusader1984 3 місяці тому

      screw EVs

    • @THE.MICHAEL.ANGELO
      @THE.MICHAEL.ANGELO 3 місяці тому

      @@Crusader1984 Who asked you? LOL. In all seriousness, for what I do for work, and the amount of travels per week, I'll take any option that saves me gas, and EV cars are the way to go for me. As for the boats, I've ridden and driven boats all my life. I don't mind change.

  • @adambaddass
    @adambaddass 3 місяці тому +2

    That’s cool, would love to see an electric fishing boat. How far can you go on a charge? That battery size should go a long way.

  • @misterbulger
    @misterbulger 3 місяці тому

    At Chatfield today, my electric fishing boat was no match for that wind. I had to abort with no fish. I could carry a lot of lithium for the weight of my big deep cycle tho. An electric outboard on my 1956 skiff would be pretty cool.

  • @niceguyrides
    @niceguyrides 3 місяці тому +2

    Love this like I do premium electric Catamarans…. From a distance because I am not wealthy enough to afford one.

  • @thatkidsean1
    @thatkidsean1 3 місяці тому +1

    Awesome boat. Electric does make a lot of sense. Did they tell you how much it weighs?

  • @Gary_Walker90
    @Gary_Walker90 3 місяці тому

    Man that's nice. I love the screen SW coming from a Tesla. I've always wanted a boat and probably if I could afford it that would be a contender for a purchase for sure. The ease of use and low maintenance would be the selling point especially since we're already a ev household.

  • @sparkplug0000
    @sparkplug0000 3 місяці тому +2

    In my youth I did a lot of slalom skiing. At 6’5” and 275 lbs. (and it was muscle back then) the only boat that would get me up on a competition ski was my brother’s Barefoot Nautique with a 454 ci truck motor. Most other boats I could nearly stop dead in the water. I would have loved to have tried this thing with its instant torque and 500 hp. I think I’d have drank a lot less of the lake.

  • @justanotherproject2day
    @justanotherproject2day 3 місяці тому

    Best suited for a freshwater lake house somewhere. If used and stored around saltwater, it will start having electrical problems quickly. Saltwater is the Devil's Spit!! It gets everywhere on a boat, especially when wakeboarding.

  • @Proviron_God
    @Proviron_God 2 місяці тому +1

    What a beautiful boat, I wish I could get one!

  • @PhotoJohn80
    @PhotoJohn80 3 місяці тому +3

    As a fisherman I despise these wake board boats…. So annoying to have giant wakes go across the lake and the wake boat just riding in circles. So annoying.

  • @adamriale9065
    @adamriale9065 3 місяці тому +5

    Capacity of 15?? 15 people on a 23’ boat dose not sound like a good time, let alone possible with all the extra battery weight

    • @zacharymorris9917
      @zacharymorris9917 3 місяці тому

      24' not 23'
      I've had 12-15 people on a 23' Supra numerous times.

    • @adamriale9065
      @adamriale9065 3 місяці тому

      @@zacharymorris9917 your boat is electric with batteries too? Batteries are a lot heavier than gasoline

    • @zacharymorris9917
      @zacharymorris9917 2 місяці тому

      @adamriale9065 batteries definitely don't weigh more than water and I carry more water than I do the boat weight and passengers combined. I'm guessing you are not familiar with wake boats?

    • @zacharymorris9917
      @zacharymorris9917 2 місяці тому

      @adamriale9065 ironically, I have a ton of batteries too. They run the audio so I don't have to run the engine.

    • @adamriale9065
      @adamriale9065 2 місяці тому

      @@zacharymorris9917 everything mentioned the electric boat also has. The Ev Boat also has separate batteries to run the audio system. Gonna nerd out here but a gallon of battery acid is heavier than a gallon of water. Ev motor is heavier than an outboard. Batteries are heavier than gasoline. Plus all the electronics to operate the electrical systems. A EV boat will always be heavier than a gas boat. (Lighting vs f150).

  • @TheNotimprezed
    @TheNotimprezed 3 місяці тому +2

    Would have liked to see more on operating hours per charge as well as ballast system and forming waves. Why stretch for this when a Heyday or even a Yamaha is half price. And at this price might as well get something from Nautique.

    • @DSC800
      @DSC800 3 місяці тому

      Exactly. It's as if they didn't want to tell us the official kwh usage, just vagarities. I mean if it could get 6 hours of normal usage out of ~150kwh of cheap Florida electricity that would save a ton and would be great to know.

  • @bem001
    @bem001 3 місяці тому +2

    Love it, but the question remains… if it starts sinking, do I choose electrocution or getting eaten by sharks?

  • @mikeandroi2698
    @mikeandroi2698 3 місяці тому +4

    $320,000. no specs on range/usage time. At that price people who buy these aren't sensitive to cost of gas. They had the ability to use a motor that could be pivoted in and out of the water but instead went for an inboard/outboard type shaft?!?!?! they could have kept the hull completely sealed from the water had they just used a pivoting/outboard style stern prop.
    Also can seat 15 people but no toilet? for over 1/4 million?

  • @DSC800
    @DSC800 3 місяці тому +2

    Yeah it's expensive, but don't forget the EV $7500 tax credit (EV= electric "vehicle").

    • @dansanger5340
      @dansanger5340 3 місяці тому

      Seems like very few people who could afford this boat would qualify for the tax credit, unless they were able to afford some creative accounting, which is certainly possible.

  • @mitchellsteindler
    @mitchellsteindler 3 місяці тому

    Very cool. I love hearing a v8 boat from across the lake, but i would rather be on this one.

  • @WillWallace2
    @WillWallace2 3 місяці тому +1

    What’s the range and the weight? You forgot to mention

  • @James-kd2cm
    @James-kd2cm 3 місяці тому

    Very cool boat. I’m not in the premium boat price range but I like this setup.

  • @holeeshietpyro4072
    @holeeshietpyro4072 3 місяці тому

    center console with solar panels on the t-top pls. you can sneak up on fish with this a little better with less noise

  • @craigmack420
    @craigmack420 3 місяці тому

    So a couple questions whats the replacement cost of the battery what is the charge time from 30 amp shore power connection where do u find a level 3 charger on the water 480 volt seems like u gonna have to trailer your boat to charge a deecent Rate of charge seems like you smoking the good stuff

  • @Spatial_Computer
    @Spatial_Computer 3 місяці тому

    Sport boats used to be $70,000 for high-end. It would be nice to push the prices back down. No gas boat makes more sense though.

  • @derricklaw1
    @derricklaw1 3 місяці тому

    Great video! More summer boating and boat test videos please! I live at both really high altitude (ski lakes at 6,000 to 7,000 ft - shorter local ski season) and in really cold weather in the winter. Electric boats are going to be great for my use case in the future. I'll probably be waiting for modular conversion kits or something that can go into existing hulls or mass produced lower cost run-abouts. I'll never be able to justify that much for a sport boat that I can only use 3 months of the year.

    • @janet53589
      @janet53589 3 місяці тому

      Just get a Seadoo.

  • @MultiFishslayer
    @MultiFishslayer 3 місяці тому

    Wow I love this boat! Very good review! keep up the good work!

  • @cartopia6161
    @cartopia6161 3 місяці тому

    How long to charge? How long will it run with ballast? What about pulling a tube? Screens don’t look covered enough to prevent glare or reflection. How was the sound system?

  • @spcneary
    @spcneary 3 місяці тому

    People who have money for boats this expensive usually have a dock and go out for a couple hours, this boat would make perfect sense for that use case. 48A lvl 2 charging would be all you would need to use this boat for a couple hours a day or several hours on the water 1 or 2 times a week. Running a boat wide open on a lake for more than a few min a time is not usually possible due to conditions or traffic.

  • @brandonfasan
    @brandonfasan 3 місяці тому +4

    Does it come in mens/gas?

    • @russphillips3732
      @russphillips3732 3 місяці тому

      Lol I actually like the ev boat but that’s funny

  • @clistowent8034
    @clistowent8034 Місяць тому

    But Dad, we were just starting to have fun! We've only been out for two hours! Well, we can do another 2 hours tomorrow. LOL.

  • @LamarMK
    @LamarMK 3 місяці тому +1

    This is very nice! They should try to add a solar roof to it. 👍