It can be, but tbh what else are people to do, the average doctor doesn't know any better? The problem is that these people just stopped doing their own research as soon as they found something they liked. I too did my own research trying to cure my husbands diabetic type 2 and after a lot of wading through bullshit i eventually ended up at dr. mc Dougall, dr. Esselstyn and dr. Bulsiewicz. So the problem isn't that they did their own research but that they didn't do enough research. The truth is out there! as Mulder would say...
@@11235Aodh The issue is the vast majority of people lack the skills required to interpret studies. If you don't understand the technical details, the meaning is lost. Researching information provided by specialists/hospitals for patients can help, but reading studies is mostly just a game of confirmation bias. You could technically teach yourself, but it's going to take years.
It's worth adding that heart attacks cause significant declines in cholesterol. That is why people hospitalised with heart attacks appear to have lower than expected cholesterol levels. The low carb experts never mention this.
Probably because the body takes free cholesterol circulating in the bloodstream to manufacture new cells and repair damaged tissue. Cholesterol also goes down when we have infections like influenza and hepatitis. Presumably because the body uses that free cholesterol to create antibodies etc. It is, I assume, more efficient and quicker than synthesising cholesterol from scratch.
Makes sense as so many cells have been damaged through oxygen deprivation that materials will need to be sequestered to make new cells during mitosis. Good point.
that is correct. In fact, almost any illness will cause cholestrol level to drop. It's one reason why Eskimos who eat raw animal organs have a lower cholestrol than expected because eating raw organs means they're chronically infected with microbes. For this reason, when looking at epedimiological studies about cholestrol and mortality, it's important to note the age groups, because "old people" and "sick people" will skew the data (in favor of cholestrol) making one thinks that cholestrol is not important in mortality. ...But, do you really want to achieve low cholestrol by getting sick all the time? An alcholic also tends to have low cholestrol too, but do you want to be an alcoholic for that?
@@tomgoff7887 I thought it was partly to do with people who have had heart attacks were generally in poor health in the run up to it & have other health issues including cancer & liver damage, perhaps barely eating in the days/weeks leading up to it, last ditch attempt to change their ways after the warning signs.
Thanks for your response and for being respectful. I (Caitlynn) have watched several videos on your channel before because I want to get a well-rounded perspective. I remember watching your rebuttal to Dr Chaffees perspective “plants are trying to kill you”. And maybe you’ll be happy to know I (Cait) eat green vegetables … along with protein to keep me full. 😂 #ketovore I’ll look into more of the information you provided here, thanks for sharing your thoughts thoroughly. I’m curious about the all-cause mortality info you presented for low-carb diets. Will look into that more for sure. Thanks, Mic. Hope you have a good day. Nice editing btw (don’t know if you do that yourself, but it looked nice). Cait P.s. Why don’t you link the studies you cite in the description? Would be helpful for those trying to learn.
Hey, Cait. Usually Mic links those aforementioned studies. Must’ve forgotten this time. Anyway, you can find them online too and check them with Patrick. A low carb/keto/carnivore diet is the worst thing you can do to yourself, the planet and the animals. Do some more, better research and you’ll soon move on from that FAD. 😊
@@itsmedante.5325 “Dr”. Bart Kay?! Who is nothing but a 🤡 with no nutrition knowledge whatsoever?! That doesn’t cite any studies and it was debunked countless times?! 🤦🏼♂️ Here’s just one of them: ua-cam.com/video/kO71gOwkWgA/v-deo.htmlsi=_IrdvbR-MM73MMxK Cait, just look at ACTUAL science and not these so called “experts”. Their opinion is just that: an opinion!! No rigorous science but an anecdote. Wish you well.
"And maybe you’ll be happy to know I (Cait) eat green vegetables … along with protein to keep me full." Just pointing out that plants contain protein. Example, broccoli 8 gr protein/100 calories vs beef 11 gr protein/100 calories.
Cool video. I come from a family with heart disease and I’m the only one on a vegan diet and the only one not on meds for heart issues. It’s kind of scary how easily these carnivore diet propaganda spreads.
About 695,000 people in the United States died from heart disease in 2021-1 in every five deaths. Yet all conventional medicine fingers continue to point to LDL being the culprit. This hypothesis seems so weak that even Harvard acknowledges: “Yet, research has shown that about 75% of heart attack sufferers do not have dangerously high LDL levels.” So, if that is the case, why is the AHA still supporting the same worthless dietary guidance? Well, maybe they’re changing their minds on the DL…. Following the money… In 2018-2019, the AHA received 45 million dollars from Pharmaceutical and Biotech Companies, Medical Device Manufacturers and Health Insurance Providers* AHA may have incentives to help these companies make money by inventing medical devices, medications, etc. Healthy people don’t need those interventions, and they don't make the medical industry or pharma money. So what is the science telling us? LDL is present in arterial plaquing, but it’s not the direct cause of why it’s there. LDL has many vital functions: Helps your body make cell membranes and is a large component in nerve cells Essential for creating sex hormones (estrogen, testosterone) Vitamin D synthesis Bile acid synthesis Antioxidant-like properties* Similar to firemen being present at a fire, they did not cause the fire and they are there for damage control. LDL can be viewed the same way. Further, it is not the amount of LDL that seems to be the issue, but the type of subclass LDL. LDL consists of three sub classes - A, B, and I. The study found that having LDL made up of 60% A and 20% each of I and B was associated with the least damage to blood vessels, while having a high proportion of B compared with the other two sub classes was associated with the most damage. It’s my opinion that the AHA should have a big asterisk next to their public dietary fat recommendations to be more transparent about how their recommendations are, in fact, inconclusive.
My cousin is doing the carnivore diet and he’s already pre diabetic and has high blood pressure. He thinks it’s making him better but after a year on it he looks terrible and he keeps getting Covid and he’s sick all the time. His cholesterol is higher and his blood pressure is still high. I feel like he’s killing him self with this diet and wish he’d listen to me but he’s dead set that it’s the best way to eat. 😞I wish people would look at the science and not the fad.
My cousin did the same thing many years ago. He went full carnivore a few months after I went Vegan. We both were losing weight, but only one of us was able to maintain the diet. He lasted about 3 years, and did lose weight significantly. However, he wasn’t able to keep it going. Was having significant stomach issues, and constipation! The weight came back like a vengeance. Now almost 15 years later, I’m about 150lbs. Him at the same height is almost 300lbs. I rest my case. Screwed up his marriage though, and she was a good woman.
@@Mattycakes1 I wish he would then that would mean he’s following a good channel! But unfortunately his opinion of veganism is that it’s ridiculous. And the sad thing is my uncle his dad has Parkinson’s disease. I wish they’d just listen to a little bit of what science on the subject of eating plant based can do for you.
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 it’s very sad to watch someone you love do this to their body. I noticed a significant change in my cousin’s attitude as well. He’s more angry and defensive and his skin looks awful.
This is very common, a lot of people get easily mislead by the short term effects like weight loss, feeling good, etc but are completely ignorant to long term effects, diseases. It saddens me to see people being ignorant until they are hospitalized from a heart attack or it's too late like having a terminal case of stage 4 cancer...oof. These two seem like nice people, but the delusion high...yikes.
The problem also is that the online community spouts nonsense that bears any resemblance to actual scientific fact. It's like watching a slow mass suicide 😢
if you knew anything about human physiology and anthropology, then you'd realize that carnivore is the best way to go. this coming from a former vegan.
A cautionary tale: I wrote this in the comments before but the carnivore diet killed my Mom this year. At age 93 she found the carnivore diet on UA-cam and decided it was the way to go. Perks: she didn’t have to cook much, just put a roast in the slow cooker and eat off it for a few days. And she lost weight, which she needs to do. And she claimed she felt great, and that her poops were better than ever(in the beginning). As a vegan I was horrified. But she was an adult who gets to makes her own choices, especially at her age. So us vegan and vegetarian family members watched and wondered. About 6 months into this all meat diet she ended up in the emergency room with a bowel obstruction. She decided to not undergo the surgery and go into hospice instead. It was sort of death by meat. I can’t judge too hard because in life she was terrified of not being able to have assisted suicide as an option if she got a fatal disease(not legal in MI). So in a way she subconsciously chose her own death, and in hospice it was peaceful and fairly quick. We all believe she’d be alive still though if she was on a whole food plant based diet. Or even just a omnivore diet with plant foods included.
- what meat did she eat? bacon?? - did she include other animal products like milk? - was she truly 100% carnivore over those 6 months? how did you know? - what was her diet like before she started carnivore? you mentioned she was overweight to begin with. why is that?
@@DanteLikesRock pot roast, but I think she had some bacon too occasionally. I think she had half n half in her coffee. I believe she ate a few macadamia nuts. Her diet before was an omnivore diet. I don’t thin it was a tumor. She was constipated toward the end.
When people develop diseases as a result of their diet because they like simply like the taste and can’t be bothered to make healthier choices, I don’t feel too badly for them; it’s kind of like the chronic smoker with lung disease who never tried to quit. But when people turn to an unhealthy diet due to misinformation because they’re actually trying to make a healthy choice, it saddens me. Thank you, Mike, for continuing to set the record straight.
This is true, but they did stop searching for the truth at a comfortable point, because today with the internet (and also people that are native English and thus can access everything on the net). You can find the truth if you dig long enough and end up here, or with dr. Mc Dougall, or dr. Esselstyn or dr. Ornish or dr. Peter Rogers. There is SO MUCH information out there that carnivore isn't healthy and even more information on how it's completely destructive to our planet due to habitat loss and mass animal extinction that i have a hard time dealing with this excuse.
@@Sweeney-nn2hythe mistake is “listening” as you say, as your primary source. You need to stop listening to people on the internet, and start digging into the studies yourself. Nothing wrong with watching a few videos to start your research, but you need to confirm what you’re hearing by looking at the studies, and learning how to read them properly and check biases etc
@@Sweeney-nn2hy You can always fact check what people are saying, when a doctor says something i haven't heard of i google it and see what that comes up with and how and if it agrees. Or what I've also had happen is dr. mc Dougall saying something and then later in one of dr. Peter Rogers biochemistry videos he's explaining how that what dr. mcDougall said works in practice on cellular level completely independently. Besides it helps to see first hand how low fat plant exclusive is helping my husband ditch his bloodpressure and diabetes meds.
@@Sweeney-nn2hy I watch plenty of youtube videos on nutrition and health, and some youtubers I trust more than others (e.g. NutrionMadeSimple), but when I need to know what the current best information on a topic is (e.g., one of my kids is having a medical problem), I read actual scientific studies, which can be found on PubMed for instance. Can we know that scientific studies are accurate? To begin, we need to be looking at the totality of the evidence, not a single studies. And there are many questions that there is only low-quality evidence on at this point. But for some questions, there are enough good quality studies supporting each other's conclusions, that we can have enough confidence in their claims to use them as the basis of health choices. For a variety of reasons, scientific papers can come to false conclusions, but that does not imply scientific studies are useless or that there is no way to evaluate the extent to which their conclusions should be relied upon.
@@Sweeney-nn2hyAnd the 50 year smoker in amazing health? There are outliers. One thing to consider is common sense. We're not obligate carnivores, so the idea that a carnivore diet would be optimal for humans makes no sense. A neighbor's boyfriend dropped dead of a heart attack yesterday. Sadly with these LDL deniers, they die suddenly and everyone else is left to deal with the aftermath.
Short attention spans means many people just read the headline of a study and form their own conclusions, rather than reading the entire paper or even the conclusions in the abstract.
@@travisporco LOL. clueless. Low-carb diets lead to perfect health markers across the human body. carbs lead to 99% of modern diseases: - diabetes (literally high blood sugar is the definition of diabetes) - obesity (carbs turn to fat in the liver) - tooth decay - CANCER. (learn something from Thomas Seyfried) - heart Disease/stroke (activation of the Randle Cycle) inform yourself better next time.
The most frustrating part of these kind of denial ideas, if when they say: "Studies have found that x is not THE greatest marker for disease y." and then conclude from that that x is not a relevant marker at all, even when they are in the deep dark red zone of statistical risk themselves. Thinking like this is an easy way of chronically misinterpreting signs until it may be too late, which is sad.
my dad is pretty much on a carnivore diet except for the bags of chips and his health is declining but he doesn’t seem to think it’s bc of the meat. he has high blood pressure and he already had a heart attack a couple years ago. he is so constipated that he’s popping laxatives like they’re candy probably destroying his digestive system. but he constantly insists that meat is helping him and it’s the only thing he can eat even though he’s never tried having a balanced diet. it’s sad and i know he’s probably heading toward an early grave but he’ll never do this kind of research to better his health because apparently meat is a miracle cure.
His diet is actually worse than yours, even though you’re probably vegan. Nobody listens to me anymore. But that’s ok. I can watch idiotic people suffer. I’m tired of helping those who will crumble without my presence. Rather, I prefer to hear them weep. “Laurajj” do not reply to this comment for your own sake. You already know the truth. I’m not gonna say it. Everyone knows what the truth is, deep down. But it takes a strong person to truly face the authentic version of them. This is the hardest battle you will ever fight in your entire life, and I shall not interject. I’m just here to remind you that the battle is still going on. Open wide, Ms. Laurajj, It’s time to Roar.
I'm not going to fault that woman for not being able to interpret a research paper correctly. I remember how hard it was to read those when I was studying Bio in college. It takes a lot of training and practice to be able to finally parse the lingo and interpret methods, findings, and data correctly. This is why I think public science education is so important. We need to give people more tools to empower themselves with. I also appreciate that you criticized the diet, not the people. They do seem very lovely, and I was in a similar situation about 20 years ago when I was desperate to find answers for my own health. Good for them for looking and trying things out, and hopefully they'll eventually cross paths with good information instead of misinformation. They seem very well-meaning and very interested in science, which is a great start!
APO B would be interesting levels to check in these people. A better predictor, but still, their LDL is VERY concerning as you are correct, "LDL is causal." Also, I am glad you mentioned your concern about their all-cause mortality risks including diabetes and cancer with their diet.
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
The carnivore and low carb dieters are really very misled, and it's sad, but Darwin won't "get them."" Charles Darwin hated "social Darwinism" and vehemently opposed his theories being misapplied to humans or our social structure. The idea of social Darwinism is used for racism, sexism, and as an excuse for not helping people who are below average in intelligence, or who have physical disabilities. I'm not trying to be mean or single you out. Many people joke about this topic, and there's even the Darwin Awards, which Charles Darwin would be appalled by were he alive. I'm always surprised at how pervasive social darwinism is and how most people who subscribe to it have no idea that Charles Darwin hated this misapplication of his theory. It's clear that this carnivore diet couple is doing something stupid, and it may, in fact, shorten their lives, but Darwinism doesn't apply to them. For one, while intelligence level is somewhat inherited, being on a carnivore diet is not genetic, so it can't be passed on to offspring. More importantly, Darwin's theory has to do with (mostly) physical characteristics that offer some advantage to overall survival of the species as a whole. If one single member of a species is very dumb, then yes, that individual might be left to die or simply won't be assisted or mated with if it is a crocodile or a hippo or something, but humans don't abandon people with lower levels of intelligence (for the most part). We have a social structure and higher minded ideals as well as love and a sense of community that makes us help those who are not as fortunate in some way. Sorry for the length. I do get what you mean, but I wish more people knew about the dark history of social darwinism and why it isn't part of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.
I will never tire of watching videos picking apart the Carnivore diet hehee! also looking fluffy Mic, love the hair getting a bit longer 😁that beard will keep you warm in the winter!
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023🤡
And I hate to say it but if they lost weight on the carnivore how enormous were they before because they sure aren’t at a good body weight . Plus maybe they feel ok now but they are super young . I guess what Covid didn’t wipe out stupidity will . Carnivore diet fans good luck reaching a few more decades . I literally have family AND friends ( yep drink with a 96 year old guy at the pub ) who aren’t that age and active by eating meat . Actually show me one single person in their 90s who is vibrant and active who is carnivore ….and has been more decades
I'am 53 years old and was born with the congenital heart condition Tetrology of Fallots and as a result I have had 4 heart surgeries. My last surgery was on the 20th December 2013 to replace my Aortic valve. Before this surgery I was at my heaviest weight 102kg or around 225 pounds, which was a surprise to me. Even though I knew I was overweight, I didn't realise how much, and as a result I decided to change my diet, and started to exercise. I ended up replacing the chips and other junk food with more meat and eggs which I thought was good for me and by the time I was ready for my hospital visit and surgery I had lost around 17kg or about 40 pounds. Then 8 months after the surgery I had enough of taking meds for my high cholesterol and not getting results. I did some research and decided to remove all animal products/by products from my diet and stop my meds and see what the result was. I was shocked with the results as about 6 weeks after starting this experiment I had my cholesterol checked and it was down 1.5 points. Fast foward 9 years and still not having any animal products/by products, though must admit my diet could be better. My cholesterol levels are currently the lowest/best it has ever been.
In 2009 I believe the cut off for "normal" levels of LDL was 130. Certainly not long before that. Mine hovered around 120 in those days and it was always in the "normal" column on my bloodwork reports and no doctor batted an eye. This is why so many folks had CV events with "normal "LDL.
If you're talking about UA-cam, the problem isn't me, it's the policies they have for getting more views that keep recommending similar content so they get profits of ads, irrespective of if those policies lead to radicalization of an individual who doesn't do enough research or is constantly aware of their conscious biases. Either way, that is part of the system.
It means Mic the Vegan is the biggest source of misinformation I've ever seen. The guy is not trained clinically, he has no idea how to use a graph. He misreads studies constantly, makes generalized statements as if they are specific, specific statements as if they are generalized, and constantly states his opinion as fact. He's a bonafide idiot.@@NiranjhanaNarayanan
It would be worse if misinformation was regulated though. Then the government gets to decide what is right and what is wrong and that would not be good..
@@Sweeney-nn2hy Carnivore people are barely surviving, not thriving. They are so sick they can only eat the most extreme elimination diet. There will never be a life long human carnivore centenarian. Long term carnivores would need a whole lot more supplements than vegans do, and still be worse off. As far as the medical business, what does that have to do with this? Are they making money off of whole plant foods? Quite the opposite, they make money off sick people who stuffed themselves with fattening foods and fiberless animal products that gave them diabetes and heart disease. I go to research studies and thousands of years of experience.
It is annoying that a doctor would prescribe statins rather than first recommending a healthy plant-based diet for lowering cholesterol. Maybe dude said that he was eating all meat and so statins were the best his doctor could do for him.
@@itsmedante.5325 Sorry, but my husband ditching his diabetes t2 meds for 80% and his bloodpressure meds 100% plus gaining back his virility at 53 is enough proof in the pudding for me.
I can imagine that guy in 15-20 years having a heart attack & saying to his partner in the ambulance "they are saying i'm having a heart attack, how crazy is that!".
These people unfortunately really want to find evidence their carnivore diet is great for them, and support their pre-existing beliefs. Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean it is unfortunately.
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023🤡
I can say the exact same thing for vegans, there is no science to support their claims whatsoever. Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it true.
@@itsmedante.5325 So far I've just seen a lot of claims from them without any good science to back them up, I'll keep looking through their vids but for now I'll stick with the tried and true science, for my own sake :)
Hi Mike. The youtube channel Nutrition Made Simple covers a lot of research on cholesterol including ApoB, which he states (MD, PhD scientist) is like knowing the total number of cars on the road rather than how many passengers there are. Apparently even larger lipoproteins can be as athrogenic as certain LDLs. He discusses this in his videos and interviews other MDs, and scientists on topics such as insulin resistance too. Check it out.
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
Oh it’s easy. Some areas of science have been heavily corrupted by politics, special interests, etc. And so your average Joe might know just enough (or maybe just suspect) that if the “experts” are wrong, or lying, in one field, they’re probably lying in others. And so they venture out onto the internet looking for alternative voices. I just wish they went a little bit further and taught themselves how to read scientific studies, and to read a lot of them, so they can at least not be so easily manipulated by snakeoil salesmen or wild shirtless chiropractor “doctors” living in Costa Rica.
Thanks for covering this, Mic. Appreciate all that you do! It'll be interesting to see how Patrick does with his future bloodwork results. All the best to them, I guess, but ignoring the preponderance of evidence on LDL while cherry picking certain studies to glean the results you want is unlikely to be a winning strategy over the long-term. But, I guess time will tell.
His LDL is over 200 and he's continuing to go forward with the "carnivore" diet (all the while looking for something on the internet that will fit what he wants to hear); wow
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
I was just discussing with my wife today how I haven't had any muscle pains for almost 5 years now. I used to sometimes wake up with a sore shoulder blade, backache or hip pain and sometimes it would take a week to fade but that looks to have been corrected with all of my other health issues.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Following carnivore dieters built on misinterpreted studies. And not just misinterpreted studies but cherry picked to completely ignore the outcome data
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
His Cholesterol is not that high for the Carnivore community, they routinely have people with Total Cholesterol over 400! But it's OK because rationalization of the day: Big Fluffy LDL, high HDL, or Low TGL... and now this new one low "Remnant Cholesterol"...
I don't really understand the appeal of carnivore diets for most people. Putting aside the cholesterol problems, prolonged periods of no fiber and drastically reduced gut bacteria diversity just doesn't make a lot of sense to me for long term health. I think most other diets can be done in a healthy way especially if you prepare most of the food yourself, but it's hard to see a healthy way to do carnivore.
how is it hard to see that eating the way humans have for 4.5 million years is healthy? the appeal of a carnivore diet is because it is literally encoded for in our evolutionary biology. fiber you say? one big myth. we don't need fiber. fiber is INDIGESTIBLE by the human colon. that alone should tell you something. I suggest you learn more. watch Bart Kay. get enlightened. this coming from a former vegan.
Understood that your focus is on dietary issues and specifically on giving us the scientific arguments for veganism and against diets like carnivore and keto, and you're doing a fantastic job of that...Nonetheless, it's extremely important for people on whatever diet to make sure they exercise properly. Even someone on a wrong-headed diet like carnivore can still be healthy, probably not optimally but quite acceptably, if they are on a good exercise program. Exercise is at least as important as diet!
I feel so sad for those people. You can see that they got concerned when getting the results and are now trying their hardest to find any hope that they're gonna be fine. 😢 The carnivore/pseudo-science gourous are just doing so much harm. They're actually killing people.
@@DanteLikesRockdid u even watch the video bro? Or are u too stuck up and brainwashed? Every study out there clearly states that carnivore diets are unhealthy
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos got nothing is more like it. carnivore is based on our species-specific way of eating. that is meat. not fruit nor starchy vegetables, those were invented not more than 200 years ago. humans have existed for 350,000 years. not grains of any kind. that was invented around 10,000 years ago. a blink of an eye when compared to our entire existence as a human race.
@@DanteLikesRock So it's a naturalistic fallacy. Instead of outcome data you speculate on how evolution works. Ignoring that evolution does not even try to optimise longevity or health but would trade any of it against short-term advances in evolutionary fitness. Long-term health especially is even something evolution optimises against (that's the reason non-external death is common among almost all species). Even if I ignore the strange beliefs about anthropology and accept that as true, I could just extrapolate from there that meat is likely harmful for long-term health because evolution has had a long time to find ways to get short-term advantages by sacrificing long-term health. And that extrapolation would be more informed on how evolution works and what its objective function is. Instead of story-telling I look at data. For example figure 2 in _Food groups and risk of all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies._ Story-telling is like theoretical physics just a model. Models have to be tested against real world data. That's where the predictive power (see statistical learning theory in mathematics) comes from.
@radovan739 no, vegan motivation is quite clear and his has nothing to do with health. Vegans exclude anything derived from animals which by default means everything else is okay. Just because something is not of animal origin doesn't mean it's healthy.
I think it's interesting that around the same time that NYT(?) article came out a few years ago, explaining that the meat and dairy industry contributed significantly to global warming and urging people to reduce their beef and dairy consumption... the carnivore diet became the new fad diet. I find it very hard to believe that this "fad" movement isn't completely astroturfed.
I appreciate your comments about the environmental damage of the carnivore diet. In my communications with various Carnivore channels, I get no response when I bring this subject up. Also, I often use the term "Ethical Veganism" in order to make room for animal rights and environmental responsibility. I have noticed some carnivore talkers have begun to use the term ethical veganism, though I don't think it is a compliment.🌻
The biggest risk factor for heart disease is type two diabetes. Why? Because they are metabolically unhealthy. They have high fasting insulin which causes high blood pressure, weight gain and numerous other health issues. A more important test for heart disease risk is fasting insulin.
I am amazed, that such a debate is not yet backed up by ApoB level, since that to me is without a debate most important for cholesterol levels in ones body, since there's no debate, that high ApoB is ever good for anybody, LDL can get higher, if ApoB is low, it's much less a problem. All bloodwork related to lipids should also check everyones ApoB.
i come from a family of high meat intake and heart disease is always the cause of death of family members outside of old age. it makes me so sad, because people like this couple are just trying to live a good life and get their health on track, but are being duped by the meat industry. i hope they do see your response and take it with an open mind. i wish them the best
Mic! Can you do a debunk video of Thomas DeLauer's latest claim that "solo" plant proteins are "worthless," please? I'm sick of his totally unscientific claims!
Solo plant proteins are amino acids, is the components the animal protein breaks down to after were done breaking it apart? it's like saying individual lego pieces are worthless only the lego house is ok, but only the red one!
@@11235Aodh Furthermore, the body recycles about 90g of amino acids back into our gut every day to be reabsorbed, as I posted in reply, but they are attacking me as an idiot. I want Mic to obliterate their arguments in a video.
Having high blood sugar , high triglycerides , being insulin resistant, A1c above 5.7 , an abundance of visceral fat , sedentary lifestyle and low HDL is the best way to get atherosclerosis.
@@konhi-xz5zv cholesterol isn't in your body to be super low. hate to break it to you, but it's there for a purpose surprisingly. i know right, shocking to think that our bodies would do anything for any good reason.
@@deslawson2662 getting into little spats with people on the internet isn't something I allocate time to. Have a good life and I hope you find happiness ❤️
@radovan739 All studies show that seed oils are protective compared to any saturated fat source like butter, I just did my research and will stop buying any saturated fat food, thank you
These people are scary. Remind me of the AIDS denialists, who are all dead. It just goes to show how these bad actors are operating in all areas. I don't blame the couple, people are easily misled.
People can do vegan keto it doesn’t mean scarfing down eggs bacon cheese and cholesterol plenty of healthy keto meals/ foods. Watermelon blueberries walnuts almonds most nuts avocado cauliflower cabbage. Some people have high diabetes risk/sugar sensitivity so it’s not a bad way to eat for those people as long as you’re not eating bacon wrapped fried cheese dipped in butter 🙄
Anyone can tell stories… My grandparents on both sides of my family live past 90, my mom and aunt are still alive and a brother who is 90 and all they were high fat sad diet all their lies, they were also heavy, smokers and drinkers. No one I know of was a vegetarian.
And I have a friend who drinks liters of beer many days a week, as his father during decades, and both are alive and with good health. They are freaks of nature with kidneys and liver of iron. Lucky or maybe it is very healthy to drink liters of beer
It's really tough seeing people being willfully stupid and endangering themselves and then spreading their stupid arguments to others who will then endanger themselves just as well.
@@DanteLikesRock Sure bro, somehow I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about, since you didn't even watch the video full of studies that disprove you.
@@somedudeok1451 Lol. "studies". stop putting so much faith in zero-sense articles written by payed-off writers. anybody who knows anything about science will know that you can get a study to show ANYTHING you want. it's really not that hard to skew statistics.
@@itsmedante.5325 You didn't check who wrote these studies and you didn't check if the conclusions make sense or not. You're just falling back on anti-science rethoric you've heard without understanding it. You also don't have any solutions, except believe the pro-meat voices you choose to believe and "do your own research", which as a layman often has terrible consequences.
Clearly another example of a conclusion in search of evidence - any evidence - which might support it. Of course, good science looks at the preponderence of evidence to reach conclusions rather than cherry picking outliers...
wrong. good science actually performs experiments in a controlled lab environment over a significant timeframe. this has not been done in human nutrition to any meaningful degree.
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
I thought that we’d established that the carnivore diet might work for weight loss in the short term, but it’s a disaster in the long run. Worse yet, you can eat the wrong stuff and give yourself gout or hemochromatosis in addition to high cholesterol. She shouldn’t be reassured that he’ll be ok.
@@torashi. hahahahahaha I know right- so funny, hahaha. But the funniest is knowing vegans deliberately put themselves at risk while ignoring the real data. I agree! funny af. LOL.
The major problem with keto, carnivoe, and low-carb dieters isn't that they're on that kind of diet, but they, like a majority of them, have ZERO training on how to interpret scientific evidence. Saving money on going to a register dietician should NOT be a replacement for online "research". And the "But look how much weight I lost, so therefore carnivore diets work" doesn't cut it either. When will they realize that weight loss shouldn't be the only indicator of good health.
Honestly, who would want to eat that way even if it was healthy? I love a good steak once in a while, but I wouldn't want to eat only meat for the rest of my life.
Omg the stroke lady had a total of four doctors. Three of them said carnivore could have caused her stroke and one doctor said carnivore didn’t cause her stroke. I could not believe how ridiculous she sounded.
Lmao. I did carnivore for 1 month. It was horrible!! I immediately switched to vegan and have been vegan ever since... over a year now. I will never go back to meat. I'm now raw vegan and know how to cure my diabetes. Granted I'm not cured yet but i will be.
The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. "Red meat intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in a prospective cohort study of United States females and males"
I am convinced that probiotics are a waste of money for people with an already healthy gut. And I am unsure that such bacteria won't cause indigestion through competition with natives. Or just fail to take root at all by getting outcompeted.
There's a guy, and his wife, on a podcast I listen to (not a diet podcast) who put themselves on a carni diet based upon some stuff his wife read. Fast forward a year... he ended up in the hospital, almost died, and it's still a MYSTERY as to why it happened, he still thinks it was some random mystery event. Uug.
@@itsmedante.5325 is it your first time getting into a dietary tussle? Vegan diets are superior in every way. Get your lethargic, acne prone, smelly stool self out of here.
@@thesuccessfulone absolute nonsense. very un-scientific reply on your part. (if anyone is lethargic it is you vegans with your high blood sugar, and none of those things you mentioned are true. you're clueless.)
I don’t know anyone doing the carnivore diet but I do have family that are following low carb diets due to metabolic disease. I’ve been a vegetarian (I ate dairy, no eggs since I was allergic) since I was 12 y/o and opted to cut out dairy about 13 years ago. My lipid profile has remained pretty consistent over the years, most recent numbers: total cholesterol 167, triglycerides 53, HDL 72 (75 is the top of normal for the lab that did the analysis), LDL 84.4. I’m 65 y/o. I think some of this is genetic (my dad had similar levels and his diet was a lot different from mine). I’ve never tried to argue with people over their dietary choices, but I do think it’s a cultural phenomenon that these kinds of choices have become the basis of identity and any questioning prompts such outrage. Sad that we all get locked into information silos. I will say that the health argument has never seemed to me to be the best foundation for choosing to go plant based. There are many more obvious and compelling reasons, some of which you’ve mentioned.
This couple saddens me actually, they seem really sweet and they seem to be a great subject for psychological study , specifically cognitive dissonance and dissociation. Genuinely concerning, she thinks she’s saving her husband but she is not.
It would be a curious thing to know more about this study, This isn't as clear cut as it seems. I wonder if it was peer reviewed... From the Mayo Clinic: Not all heart attacks are caused by blocked arteries. Other causes include: Coronary artery spasm. This is a severe squeezing of a blood vessel that's not blocked. The artery generally has cholesterol plaques or there is early hardening of the vessel due to smoking or other risk factors. Other names for coronary artery spasms are Prinzmetal's angina, vasospastic angina or variant angina. Certain infections. COVID-19 and other viral infections may cause damage to the heart muscle. Spontaneous coronary artery dissection (SCAD). This life-threatening condition is caused by a tear inside a heart artery. And there are risk factors: AGE- Men 45 or older. Women 55 or older, more likely than younger men and women. TABACCO USE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE FAMILY HISTORY OF HEART ATTACKS STRESS NOT ENOUGH EXERCISE Metabolic syndrome. This is a combination of at least three of the following things: enlarged waist (central obesity), high blood pressure, low good cholesterol, high triglycerides and high blood sugar. Having metabolic syndrome makes you twice as likely to develop heart disease than if you don't have it.
With vegan diet and some twitches from Dr. Greger book colesterol went down from 220 to 110, LDL, to 43 , sugar glycosylated to 5.0, eating whole food, complex carbohydrates grains nuts and all fruits at lybidum, meaning all I want, has lost 22 pounds of pure fat
“I did my own research” is code for “I googled what I wanted to be true”.
It can be, but tbh what else are people to do, the average doctor doesn't know any better? The problem is that these people just stopped doing their own research as soon as they found something they liked. I too did my own research trying to cure my husbands diabetic type 2 and after a lot of wading through bullshit i eventually ended up at dr. mc Dougall, dr. Esselstyn and dr. Bulsiewicz. So the problem isn't that they did their own research but that they didn't do enough research. The truth is out there! as Mulder would say...
See also medical advice from a chiropractor on UA-cam 😆
that's exactly it !
@@11235Aodh The issue is the vast majority of people lack the skills required to interpret studies. If you don't understand the technical details, the meaning is lost. Researching information provided by specialists/hospitals for patients can help, but reading studies is mostly just a game of confirmation bias. You could technically teach yourself, but it's going to take years.
Faaaaaaaaacts!
It's worth adding that heart attacks cause significant declines in cholesterol. That is why people hospitalised with heart attacks appear to have lower than expected cholesterol levels. The low carb experts never mention this.
That’s interesting - I never knew that. I wonder why that is.
Probably because the body takes free cholesterol circulating in the bloodstream to manufacture new cells and repair damaged tissue. Cholesterol also goes down when we have infections like influenza and hepatitis. Presumably because the body uses that free cholesterol to create antibodies etc. It is, I assume, more efficient and quicker than synthesising cholesterol from scratch.
Makes sense as so many cells have been damaged through oxygen deprivation that materials will need to be sequestered to make new cells during mitosis. Good point.
that is correct. In fact, almost any illness will cause cholestrol level to drop. It's one reason why Eskimos who eat raw animal organs have a lower cholestrol than expected because eating raw organs means they're chronically infected with microbes. For this reason, when looking at epedimiological studies about cholestrol and mortality, it's important to note the age groups, because "old people" and "sick people" will skew the data (in favor of cholestrol) making one thinks that cholestrol is not important in mortality.
...But, do you really want to achieve low cholestrol by getting sick all the time? An alcholic also tends to have low cholestrol too, but do you want to be an alcoholic for that?
@@tomgoff7887 I thought it was partly to do with people who have had heart attacks were generally in poor health in the run up to it & have other health issues including cancer & liver damage, perhaps barely eating in the days/weeks leading up to it, last ditch attempt to change their ways after the warning signs.
Thanks for your response and for being respectful. I (Caitlynn) have watched several videos on your channel before because I want to get a well-rounded perspective.
I remember watching your rebuttal to Dr Chaffees perspective “plants are trying to kill you”. And maybe you’ll be happy to know I (Cait) eat green vegetables … along with protein to keep me full. 😂 #ketovore
I’ll look into more of the information you provided here, thanks for sharing your thoughts thoroughly.
I’m curious about the all-cause mortality info you presented for low-carb diets. Will look into that more for sure.
Thanks, Mic. Hope you have a good day. Nice editing btw (don’t know if you do that yourself, but it looked nice).
Cait
P.s. Why don’t you link the studies you cite in the description? Would be helpful for those trying to learn.
Hey, Cait.
Usually Mic links those aforementioned studies.
Must’ve forgotten this time.
Anyway, you can find them online too and check them with Patrick.
A low carb/keto/carnivore diet is the worst thing you can do to yourself, the planet and the animals.
Do some more, better research and you’ll soon move on from that FAD. 😊
Cait... don't fall for it. watch professor Bart Kay.
@@itsmedante.5325
“Dr”. Bart Kay?!
Who is nothing but a 🤡 with no nutrition knowledge whatsoever?! That doesn’t cite any studies and it was debunked countless times?!
🤦🏼♂️
Here’s just one of them:
ua-cam.com/video/kO71gOwkWgA/v-deo.htmlsi=_IrdvbR-MM73MMxK
Cait, just look at ACTUAL science and not these so called “experts”.
Their opinion is just that: an opinion!!
No rigorous science but an anecdote.
Wish you well.
@@itsmedante.5325 You must be kidding, he's a lunatic.
"And maybe you’ll be happy to know I (Cait) eat green vegetables … along with protein to keep me full." Just pointing out that plants contain protein. Example, broccoli 8 gr protein/100 calories vs beef 11 gr protein/100 calories.
Cool video. I come from a family with heart disease and I’m the only one on a vegan diet and the only one not on meds for heart issues. It’s kind of scary how easily these carnivore diet propaganda spreads.
They eat a plant/grain based diet with some factory meat, any ‘diet’is better
People believe what they want to; high LDL is not dangerous, the election was stolen, Israel wants peace...
About 695,000 people in the United States died from heart disease in 2021-1 in every five deaths. Yet all conventional medicine fingers continue to point to LDL being the culprit.
This hypothesis seems so weak that even Harvard acknowledges: “Yet, research has shown that about 75% of heart attack sufferers do not have dangerously high LDL levels.” So, if that is the case, why is the AHA still supporting the same worthless dietary guidance? Well, maybe they’re changing their minds on the DL….
Following the money…
In 2018-2019, the AHA received 45 million dollars from Pharmaceutical and Biotech Companies, Medical Device Manufacturers and Health Insurance Providers*
AHA may have incentives to help these companies make money by inventing medical devices, medications, etc. Healthy people don’t need those interventions, and they don't make the medical industry or pharma money.
So what is the science telling us?
LDL is present in arterial plaquing, but it’s not the direct cause of why it’s there. LDL has many vital functions:
Helps your body make cell membranes and is a large component in nerve cells
Essential for creating sex hormones (estrogen, testosterone)
Vitamin D synthesis
Bile acid synthesis
Antioxidant-like properties*
Similar to firemen being present at a fire, they did not cause the fire and they are there for damage control. LDL can be viewed the same way. Further, it is not the amount of LDL that seems to be the issue, but the type of subclass LDL. LDL consists of three sub classes - A, B, and I. The study found that having LDL made up of 60% A and 20% each of I and B was associated with the least damage to blood vessels, while having a high proportion of B compared with the other two sub classes was associated with the most damage.
It’s my opinion that the AHA should have a big asterisk next to their public dietary fat recommendations to be more transparent about how their recommendations are, in fact, inconclusive.
if anything it's scary how this vegan nonsense propaganda spreads. meat/animal fat/cholesterol is NOT CAUSAL to heart disease. End of story.
Are they carnivore or SAD
My cousin is doing the carnivore diet and he’s already pre diabetic and has high blood pressure. He thinks it’s making him better but after a year on it he looks terrible and he keeps getting Covid and he’s sick all the time. His cholesterol is higher and his blood pressure is still high. I feel like he’s killing him self with this diet and wish he’d listen to me but he’s dead set that it’s the best way to eat. 😞I wish people would look at the science and not the fad.
feel like he is killing himself? No doubt about it! Less Filling Tastes Great!
My cousin did the same thing many years ago. He went full carnivore a few months after I went Vegan. We both were losing weight, but only one of us was able to maintain the diet.
He lasted about 3 years, and did lose weight significantly. However, he wasn’t able to keep it going. Was having significant stomach issues, and constipation!
The weight came back like a vengeance. Now almost 15 years later, I’m about 150lbs. Him at the same height is almost 300lbs. I rest my case.
Screwed up his marriage though, and she was a good woman.
It's pure ego, sorry to hear.
I have fam that all do similar in other ways
@@Mattycakes1 I wish he would then that would mean he’s following a good channel! But unfortunately his opinion of veganism is that it’s ridiculous. And the sad thing is my uncle his dad has Parkinson’s disease. I wish they’d just listen to a little bit of what science on the subject of eating plant based can do for you.
@@hardcoreherbivore4730 it’s very sad to watch someone you love do this to their body. I noticed a significant change in my cousin’s attitude as well. He’s more angry and defensive and his skin looks awful.
Mic looking more like a 70's pop star everyday. Keep it up my guy!
love it
😍 😊
but likes to promote BS!
@@vrado441 ah fat meat eaters justifying their favorite food. its all fun and games until yer chest gets cracked open son
This is very common, a lot of people get easily mislead by the short term effects like weight loss, feeling good, etc but are completely ignorant to long term effects, diseases. It saddens me to see people being ignorant until they are hospitalized from a heart attack or it's too late like having a terminal case of stage 4 cancer...oof. These two seem like nice people, but the delusion high...yikes.
Just like the short term of effects of another radical diet... I just can't help to remmember the name...🤔🤔🤔😅
@@gryphoncroatyup so radical all the places that have the oldest living people with no alzheimer's or dementia share it!
The problem also is that the online community spouts nonsense that bears any resemblance to actual scientific fact. It's like watching a slow mass suicide 😢
if you knew anything about human physiology and anthropology, then you'd realize that carnivore is the best way to go. this coming from a former vegan.
Just gotta keep studying microbiology 🤷🎃👻
A cautionary tale: I wrote this in the comments before but the carnivore diet killed my Mom this year. At age 93 she found the carnivore diet on UA-cam and decided it was the way to go. Perks: she didn’t have to cook much, just put a roast in the slow cooker and eat off it for a few days. And she lost weight, which she needs to do. And she claimed she felt great, and that her poops were better than ever(in the beginning).
As a vegan I was horrified. But she was an adult who gets to makes her own choices, especially at her age. So us vegan and vegetarian family members watched and wondered. About 6 months into this all meat diet she ended up in the emergency room with a bowel obstruction. She decided to not undergo the surgery and go into hospice instead. It was sort of death by meat.
I can’t judge too hard because in life she was terrified of not being able to have assisted suicide as an option if she got a fatal disease(not legal in MI). So in a way she subconsciously chose her own death, and in hospice it was peaceful and fairly quick.
We all believe she’d be alive still though if she was on a whole food plant based diet. Or even just a omnivore diet with plant foods included.
- what meat did she eat? bacon??
- did she include other animal products like milk?
- was she truly 100% carnivore over those 6 months? how did you know?
- what was her diet like before she started carnivore? you mentioned she was overweight to begin with. why is that?
also, what kind of "bowel obstruction" was this? a tumour?
@@DanteLikesRock pot roast, but I think she had some bacon too occasionally. I think she had half n half in her coffee. I believe she ate a few macadamia nuts. Her diet before was an omnivore diet. I don’t thin it was a tumor. She was constipated toward the end.
@@sidilicious11 how much fatty meat did she eat? was she one of those that preferred leaner meats like chicken?
Sorry for your lost
She started the Carnivore diet at age 93, but at what age did she pass away if you don’t mind my asking?
When people develop diseases as a result of their diet because they like simply like the taste and can’t be bothered to make healthier choices, I don’t feel too badly for them; it’s kind of like the chronic smoker with lung disease who never tried to quit. But when people turn to an unhealthy diet due to misinformation because they’re actually trying to make a healthy choice, it saddens me. Thank you, Mike, for continuing to set the record straight.
This is true, but they did stop searching for the truth at a comfortable point, because today with the internet (and also people that are native English and thus can access everything on the net). You can find the truth if you dig long enough and end up here, or with dr. Mc Dougall, or dr. Esselstyn or dr. Ornish or dr. Peter Rogers. There is SO MUCH information out there that carnivore isn't healthy and even more information on how it's completely destructive to our planet due to habitat loss and mass animal extinction that i have a hard time dealing with this excuse.
@@Sweeney-nn2hythe mistake is “listening” as you say, as your primary source. You need to stop listening to people on the internet, and start digging into the studies yourself. Nothing wrong with watching a few videos to start your research, but you need to confirm what you’re hearing by looking at the studies, and learning how to read them properly and check biases etc
@@Sweeney-nn2hy You can always fact check what people are saying, when a doctor says something i haven't heard of i google it and see what that comes up with and how and if it agrees. Or what I've also had happen is dr. mc Dougall saying something and then later in one of dr. Peter Rogers biochemistry videos he's explaining how that what dr. mcDougall said works in practice on cellular level completely independently. Besides it helps to see first hand how low fat plant exclusive is helping my husband ditch his bloodpressure and diabetes meds.
@@Sweeney-nn2hy I watch plenty of youtube videos on nutrition and health, and some youtubers I trust more than others (e.g. NutrionMadeSimple), but when I need to know what the current best information on a topic is (e.g., one of my kids is having a medical problem), I read actual scientific studies, which can be found on PubMed for instance.
Can we know that scientific studies are accurate? To begin, we need to be looking at the totality of the evidence, not a single studies. And there are many questions that there is only low-quality evidence on at this point. But for some questions, there are enough good quality studies supporting each other's conclusions, that we can have enough confidence in their claims to use them as the basis of health choices.
For a variety of reasons, scientific papers can come to false conclusions, but that does not imply scientific studies are useless or that there is no way to evaluate the extent to which their conclusions should be relied upon.
@@Sweeney-nn2hyAnd the 50 year smoker in amazing health? There are outliers. One thing to consider is common sense. We're not obligate carnivores, so the idea that a carnivore diet would be optimal for humans makes no sense. A neighbor's boyfriend dropped dead of a heart attack yesterday. Sadly with these LDL deniers, they die suddenly and everyone else is left to deal with the aftermath.
why do people always read the opposite of what the study says
Confirmation bias?
Many of them are probably functionally illiterate. They have a hard time understanding basic sentences but think they can understand these studies.
She probably didn't read it/doesn't know how to read studies and quoted and took the info straight from the cholesterol promoting cults. 🤔
Short attention spans means many people just read the headline of a study and form their own conclusions, rather than reading the entire paper or even the conclusions in the abstract.
@@broddrYep. Intellectually lazy as fuck.
when you're young and healthy you can BS yourself into things that don't work, but there is payday someday...there is no substitute for being right
Yes being a vegan takes it's toll.
@@smurfvolvo it's lowcarb that shortens your life
@@travisporco how? explain if you think you know so much.
@@DanteLikesRock low carb diets are linked to higher mortality, several studies, including the one that made Mercola change his mind. For example.
@@travisporco LOL. clueless. Low-carb diets lead to perfect health markers across the human body.
carbs lead to 99% of modern diseases:
- diabetes (literally high blood sugar is the definition of diabetes)
- obesity (carbs turn to fat in the liver)
- tooth decay
- CANCER. (learn something from Thomas Seyfried)
- heart Disease/stroke (activation of the Randle Cycle)
inform yourself better next time.
The most frustrating part of these kind of denial ideas, if when they say: "Studies have found that x is not THE greatest marker for disease y." and then conclude from that that x is not a relevant marker at all, even when they are in the deep dark red zone of statistical risk themselves.
Thinking like this is an easy way of chronically misinterpreting signs until it may be too late, which is sad.
my dad is pretty much on a carnivore diet except for the bags of chips and his health is declining but he doesn’t seem to think it’s bc of the meat. he has high blood pressure and he already had a heart attack a couple years ago. he is so constipated that he’s popping laxatives like they’re candy probably destroying his digestive system. but he constantly insists that meat is helping him and it’s the only thing he can eat even though he’s never tried having a balanced diet. it’s sad and i know he’s probably heading toward an early grave but he’ll never do this kind of research to better his health because apparently meat is a miracle cure.
Tell him to fuck off with the laxatives and just drink more water..
tell him to stop eating processed junk carbs and eat only meat. watch his health improve.
So he’s pretty much not carnivore then if he’s eating chips. Not even close to carnivore.
well if meat is the only thing he eats besides the once a day snack i'd say its pretty damn close. i don't think it makes much of a difference.
His diet is actually worse than yours, even though you’re probably vegan. Nobody listens to me anymore. But that’s ok. I can watch idiotic people suffer. I’m tired of helping those who will crumble without my presence. Rather, I prefer to hear them weep. “Laurajj” do not reply to this comment for your own sake. You already know the truth. I’m not gonna say it. Everyone knows what the truth is, deep down. But it takes a strong person to truly face the authentic version of them. This is the hardest battle you will ever fight in your entire life, and I shall not interject. I’m just here to remind you that the battle is still going on. Open wide, Ms. Laurajj, It’s time to Roar.
I'm not going to fault that woman for not being able to interpret a research paper correctly. I remember how hard it was to read those when I was studying Bio in college. It takes a lot of training and practice to be able to finally parse the lingo and interpret methods, findings, and data correctly. This is why I think public science education is so important. We need to give people more tools to empower themselves with. I also appreciate that you criticized the diet, not the people. They do seem very lovely, and I was in a similar situation about 20 years ago when I was desperate to find answers for my own health. Good for them for looking and trying things out, and hopefully they'll eventually cross paths with good information instead of misinformation. They seem very well-meaning and very interested in science, which is a great start!
APO B would be interesting levels to check in these people. A better predictor, but still, their LDL is VERY concerning as you are correct, "LDL is causal." Also, I am glad you mentioned your concern about their all-cause mortality risks including diabetes and cancer with their diet.
LDL is NOT causal. False. It has never once been proven to be causal in a controlled lab environment.
and ApoB is completely irrelevant.
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
Apo-B = completely irrelevant.
Darwin will get people man, Darwin always wins.
The carnivore and low carb dieters are really very misled, and it's sad, but Darwin won't "get them."" Charles Darwin hated "social Darwinism" and vehemently opposed his theories being misapplied to humans or our social structure. The idea of social Darwinism is used for racism, sexism, and as an excuse for not helping people who are below average in intelligence, or who have physical disabilities. I'm not trying to be mean or single you out. Many people joke about this topic, and there's even the Darwin Awards, which Charles Darwin would be appalled by were he alive. I'm always surprised at how pervasive social darwinism is and how most people who subscribe to it have no idea that Charles Darwin hated this misapplication of his theory.
It's clear that this carnivore diet couple is doing something stupid, and it may, in fact, shorten their lives, but Darwinism doesn't apply to them. For one, while intelligence level is somewhat inherited, being on a carnivore diet is not genetic, so it can't be passed on to offspring.
More importantly, Darwin's theory has to do with (mostly) physical characteristics that offer some advantage to overall survival of the species as a whole. If one single member of a species is very dumb, then yes, that individual might be left to die or simply won't be assisted or mated with if it is a crocodile or a hippo or something, but humans don't abandon people with lower levels of intelligence (for the most part). We have a social structure and higher minded ideals as well as love and a sense of community that makes us help those who are not as fortunate in some way.
Sorry for the length. I do get what you mean, but I wish more people knew about the dark history of social darwinism and why it isn't part of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.
Yeah because darwinian evolution involved avoiding animal products 😂
indeed he will.👍🏻😋🥩🥩🥩
I will never tire of watching videos picking apart the Carnivore diet hehee! also looking fluffy Mic, love the hair getting a bit longer 😁that beard will keep you warm in the winter!
Have you seen lifting vegan logics latest vids?? 😂
@ejRecording no I havnt, I'll have to check it out lol
@@ejRecording These are great!
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023🤡
So sad for this couple- I was in that cult, so glad I’m not anymore, thanks in part to @plantchompers and @micthevegan!
vegan diet is for misinformed and brain dead!
Lol and now your in this cult.... You seem gullible
And I hate to say it but if they lost weight on the carnivore how enormous were they before because they sure aren’t at a good body weight . Plus maybe they feel ok now but they are super young . I guess what Covid didn’t wipe out stupidity will .
Carnivore diet fans good luck reaching a few more decades .
I literally have family AND friends ( yep drink with a 96 year old guy at the pub ) who aren’t that age and active by eating meat .
Actually show me one single person in their 90s who is vibrant and active who is carnivore ….and has been more decades
plant chomper and Mic.... two of the biggest frauds out there.
I'am 53 years old and was born with the congenital heart condition Tetrology of Fallots and as a result I have had 4 heart surgeries. My last surgery was on the 20th December 2013 to replace my Aortic valve. Before this surgery I was at my heaviest weight 102kg or around 225 pounds, which was a surprise to me. Even though I knew I was overweight, I didn't realise how much, and as a result I decided to change my diet, and started to exercise. I ended up replacing the chips and other junk food with more meat and eggs which I thought was good for me and by the time I was ready for my hospital visit and surgery I had lost around 17kg or about 40 pounds. Then 8 months after the surgery I had enough of taking meds for my high cholesterol and not getting results. I did some research and decided to remove all animal products/by products from my diet and stop my meds and see what the result was. I was shocked with the results as about 6 weeks after starting this experiment I had my cholesterol checked and it was down 1.5 points. Fast foward 9 years and still not having any animal products/by products, though must admit my diet could be better. My cholesterol levels are currently the lowest/best it has ever been.
Happy for you ! Keep spreading the good plant based word!
In 2009 I believe the cut off for "normal" levels of LDL was 130. Certainly not long before that. Mine hovered around 120 in those days and it was always in the "normal" column on my bloodwork reports and no doctor batted an eye. This is why so many folks had CV events with "normal "LDL.
They give a table for healthy cholesterol level by age and sex. Higher number for men, and higher numbers as age increases.
@@perfecttenk8744 But the evidence is clear that the bottom of the "normal" LDL range is too high.
Yes, well 'normal' doesn't mean 'optimal' it just means 'average'.
I feel sad for these people and angry about the system that allows doctors to spread misinformation.
.... And your watching this site lol....
What does that mean?
If you're talking about UA-cam, the problem isn't me, it's the policies they have for getting more views that keep recommending similar content so they get profits of ads, irrespective of if those policies lead to radicalization of an individual who doesn't do enough research or is constantly aware of their conscious biases. Either way, that is part of the system.
It means Mic the Vegan is the biggest source of misinformation I've ever seen. The guy is not trained clinically, he has no idea how to use a graph. He misreads studies constantly, makes generalized statements as if they are specific, specific statements as if they are generalized, and constantly states his opinion as fact. He's a bonafide idiot.@@NiranjhanaNarayanan
It would be worse if misinformation was regulated though. Then the government gets to decide what is right and what is wrong and that would not be good..
If that couple were sensible, they would listen to this, and let you possibly save their lives.
@@Sweeney-nn2hy Carnivore people are barely surviving, not thriving. They are so sick they can only eat the most extreme elimination diet. There will never be a life long human carnivore centenarian. Long term carnivores would need a whole lot more supplements than vegans do, and still be worse off.
As far as the medical business, what does that have to do with this? Are they making money off of whole plant foods? Quite the opposite, they make money off sick people who stuffed themselves with fattening foods and fiberless animal products that gave them diabetes and heart disease.
I go to research studies and thousands of years of experience.
It is annoying that a doctor would prescribe statins rather than first recommending a healthy plant-based diet for lowering cholesterol. Maybe dude said that he was eating all meat and so statins were the best his doctor could do for him.
I also heard that doctors just don't advise this because "people won't do it anyways".. which is just insane to me tbh
"healthy plant based diet" false statement. no such thing.
@@itsmedante.5325 Sorry, but my husband ditching his diabetes t2 meds for 80% and his bloodpressure meds 100% plus gaining back his virility at 53 is enough proof in the pudding for me.
@@itsmedante.5325robot
I can imagine that guy in 15-20 years having a heart attack & saying to his partner in the ambulance "they are saying i'm having a heart attack, how crazy is that!".
And then their followers will blame the vaccine. That’s what all the comments were on the video of the carnivore woman who had a stroke 🤦🏻
Then she'll Google "heart attack isn't bad" and will find what she's looking for to feel better about it.
straw-man.
that's all you vegans can do, give straw-mans and avoid actual scientific discussion.
@@itsmedante.5325 Says the guy who follows Bart Kay 🤣🤣🤣
I honestly don't see the point in talking about Carnivores. The whole thing is totally nuts.
They literally think apples and kale are killing us but eating 3 steaks a day is healthy. It is BEYOND madness.
@@mp48930 Good point, i was wrong to say the whole thing is totally nuts, the whole thing is totally steaks.
@@N330AA😂staaaap
@@mp48930 Yup and even obligatory meat eaters like lions are more prone to cancer than herbivorous animals.
Good lord we need better health education in schools.
Many of those carnivore are doctors. Some people don't want to be educated.
Its sad but people skip that class cause its always an easy A 💀
don't count on it. School lunch programs are hijacked by the fast food delivery.
These people unfortunately really want to find evidence their carnivore diet is great for them, and support their pre-existing beliefs. Just because you want something to be true doesn't mean it is unfortunately.
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023🤡
I can say the exact same thing for vegans, there is no science to support their claims whatsoever. Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it true.
The highest turtle 🐢 joke was peak humor
Yes 😂😂😂
Just got my blood test back a couple days ago, LDL is at 47 :) total cholesterol is at 106 :) vegan for over 3 years woooooooo
And what are your triglycerides?
@@Manskeeeee 81 :)
learn a thing or 2 about LDL from Dr David Diamond and professor Bart Kay... for your own sake.
@@itsmedante.5325 I'll check them out
@@itsmedante.5325 So far I've just seen a lot of claims from them without any good science to back them up, I'll keep looking through their vids but for now I'll stick with the tried and true science, for my own sake :)
Hi Mike. The youtube channel Nutrition Made Simple covers a lot of research on cholesterol including ApoB, which he states (MD, PhD scientist) is like knowing the total number of cars on the road rather than how many passengers there are. Apparently even larger lipoproteins can be as athrogenic as certain LDLs. He discusses this in his videos and interviews other MDs, and scientists on topics such as insulin resistance too. Check it out.
None or most of his videos are pure bullshit based on "not knowing and misinformation"!
ApoB and LDL are irrelavent to CVD outcomes.
@@DanteLikesRocklol
@@seodreamteam I know right? it's extremely hilarious knowing that vegans put themselves at risk and are so clueless on the actual data.
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
"Hey it's Mic here and my eyes are continually getting more sunken because I'm starving myself of any actual proper nutrition."
His eyes look the same as years ago and sunken eyes are not only caused by lack of nutrition.
hahah- he looks like a corpse💀 lol.
Dude is not the sharpest pencil. Due to the fact that for 80 years it has been proven science. I do not get how people can not see the truth?
Oh it’s easy. Some areas of science have been heavily corrupted by politics, special interests, etc. And so your average Joe might know just enough (or maybe just suspect) that if the “experts” are wrong, or lying, in one field, they’re probably lying in others. And so they venture out onto the internet looking for alternative voices.
I just wish they went a little bit further and taught themselves how to read scientific studies, and to read a lot of them, so they can at least not be so easily manipulated by snakeoil salesmen or wild shirtless chiropractor “doctors” living in Costa Rica.
Delusional thinking.
I do not get how you vegans can't see the truth and see past Mic's awful excuses for evidence.
Thanks for covering this, Mic. Appreciate all that you do! It'll be interesting to see how Patrick does with his future bloodwork results. All the best to them, I guess, but ignoring the preponderance of evidence on LDL while cherry picking certain studies to glean the results you want is unlikely to be a winning strategy over the long-term. But, I guess time will tell.
I was thinking that too 👍
Thank you.❤ much love from Canada
His LDL is over 200 and he's continuing to go forward with the "carnivore" diet (all the while looking for something on the internet that will fit what he wants to hear); wow
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
so what.
@@Enhancedgenetics yes, whats your point? sugars in excess are also bad.
I was just discussing with my wife today how I haven't had any muscle pains for almost 5 years now. I used to sometimes wake up with a sore shoulder blade, backache or hip pain and sometimes it would take a week to fade but that looks to have been corrected with all of my other health issues.
Fun fact: the Harbor UCLA Cardiac Research Center has plant-based doctor interviews playing on the TV in their waiting room.
brainwashing.👍🏻
I think you hit the nail on the head. Following carnivore dieters built on misinterpreted studies. And not just misinterpreted studies but cherry picked to completely ignore the outcome data
Mike, thank you for the hours of research and breaking it down for us ❤
Love that pic of Lindy 😍
yes,bullshit research!
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
Wrong.
Thanks for another great one.
LDL-C levels decrease significantly after an acute MI
*myocardial infarction if you were wondering- this comment is witty, I like it 😂😂😂
Yeah surprised he didn't mention low LDL-C was common post MI as he criticised this couple. I thought that was fairly common knowledge.
His Cholesterol is not that high for the Carnivore community, they routinely have people with Total Cholesterol over 400! But it's OK because rationalization of the day: Big Fluffy LDL, high HDL, or Low TGL... and now this new one low "Remnant Cholesterol"...
I don't really understand the appeal of carnivore diets for most people. Putting aside the cholesterol problems, prolonged periods of no fiber and drastically reduced gut bacteria diversity just doesn't make a lot of sense to me for long term health. I think most other diets can be done in a healthy way especially if you prepare most of the food yourself, but it's hard to see a healthy way to do carnivore.
how is it hard to see that eating the way humans have for 4.5 million years is healthy? the appeal of a carnivore diet is because it is literally encoded for in our evolutionary biology. fiber you say? one big myth. we don't need fiber. fiber is INDIGESTIBLE by the human colon. that alone should tell you something.
I suggest you learn more. watch Bart Kay. get enlightened. this coming from a former vegan.
the appeal is simply eating a species-specific diet for humans.
Understood that your focus is on dietary issues and specifically on giving us the scientific arguments for veganism and against diets like carnivore and keto, and you're doing a fantastic job of that...Nonetheless, it's extremely important for people on whatever diet to make sure they exercise properly. Even someone on a wrong-headed diet like carnivore can still be healthy, probably not optimally but quite acceptably, if they are on a good exercise program. Exercise is at least as important as diet!
I feel so sad for those people. You can see that they got concerned when getting the results and are now trying their hardest to find any hope that they're gonna be fine. 😢
The carnivore/pseudo-science gourous are just doing so much harm. They're actually killing people.
false. carnivore is not pseudo science. far from it. if you knew anything about human physiology and anthropology you'd know this.
@@DanteLikesRock
So carnivore is based on a naturalistic fallacy with little knowledge of anthropology to begin with. Got it.
@@DanteLikesRockdid u even watch the video bro? Or are u too stuck up and brainwashed?
Every study out there clearly states that carnivore diets are unhealthy
@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos got nothing is more like it.
carnivore is based on our species-specific way of eating. that is meat. not fruit nor starchy vegetables, those were invented not more than 200 years ago. humans have existed for 350,000 years.
not grains of any kind. that was invented around 10,000 years ago. a blink of an eye when compared to our entire existence as a human race.
@@DanteLikesRock So it's a naturalistic fallacy.
Instead of outcome data you speculate on how evolution works.
Ignoring that evolution does not even try to optimise longevity or health but would trade any of it against short-term advances in evolutionary fitness. Long-term health especially is even something evolution optimises against (that's the reason non-external death is common among almost all species).
Even if I ignore the strange beliefs about anthropology and accept that as true, I could just extrapolate from there that meat is likely harmful for long-term health because evolution has had a long time to find ways to get short-term advantages by sacrificing long-term health.
And that extrapolation would be more informed on how evolution works and what its objective function is.
Instead of story-telling I look at data.
For example figure 2 in
_Food groups and risk of all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies._
Story-telling is like theoretical physics just a model. Models have to be tested against real world data. That's where the predictive power (see statistical learning theory in mathematics) comes from.
2:35 "I really had to dive in a whole lot and one of the studies I found...." yep that's how science works 100%
@radovan739 meat eaters that only listen to what they want to hear are really using the 'ol noodle ! !
@@buckmurdock2500 clueless.
@radovan739 no, vegan motivation is quite clear and his has nothing to do with health. Vegans exclude anything derived from animals which by default means everything else is okay. Just because something is not of animal origin doesn't mean it's healthy.
“Vegan diet is too extreme” *proceeds to eat nothing but animal flesh*
Eggs and Steak, so extreme.
@@andreimaxwell4455agreed
I remember them. I put a 'do not recommend' on them immediately, but I do remember them :-)
I think it's interesting that around the same time that NYT(?) article came out a few years ago, explaining that the meat and dairy industry contributed significantly to global warming and urging people to reduce their beef and dairy consumption... the carnivore diet became the new fad diet. I find it very hard to believe that this "fad" movement isn't completely astroturfed.
you won't find anything hard once you learn a thing or 2 about human physiology. learn from professor Bart Kay.
They should watch this and they also should follow Nutrition Made Simple
he's confused at best, charlatan at worst.
I appreciate your comments about the environmental damage of the carnivore diet. In my communications with various Carnivore channels, I get no response when I bring this subject up. Also, I often use the term "Ethical Veganism" in order to make room for animal rights and environmental responsibility. I have noticed some carnivore talkers have begun to use the term ethical veganism, though I don't think it is a compliment.🌻
You are really doing a great service with your information. Thank you.
no he is not, yes if you believe in bullshit!
Dis information more like it.
Its all in the eyes as RZA said
The biggest risk factor for heart disease is type two diabetes. Why? Because they are metabolically unhealthy. They have high fasting insulin which causes high blood pressure, weight gain and numerous other health issues. A more important test for heart disease risk is fasting insulin.
I am amazed, that such a debate is not yet backed up by ApoB level, since that to me is without a debate most important for cholesterol levels in ones body, since there's no debate, that high ApoB is ever good for anybody, LDL can get higher, if ApoB is low, it's much less a problem. All bloodwork related to lipids should also check everyones ApoB.
No. WITH a debate. Apo-B = completely irrelevant. (imagine listening to Peter Attia.)
i come from a family of high meat intake and heart disease is always the cause of death of family members outside of old age. it makes me so sad, because people like this couple are just trying to live a good life and get their health on track, but are being duped by the meat industry. i hope they do see your response and take it with an open mind. i wish them the best
are they pure carnivore? or eating carbs along with meat? because then that is not carnivore.
it is so sad that people still don't understand cholesterol and worse yet they still spreading the fear....
Mic! Can you do a debunk video of Thomas DeLauer's latest claim that "solo" plant proteins are "worthless," please? I'm sick of his totally unscientific claims!
Solo plant proteins are amino acids, is the components the animal protein breaks down to after were done breaking it apart? it's like saying individual lego pieces are worthless only the lego house is ok, but only the red one!
@@11235Aodh Furthermore, the body recycles about 90g of amino acids back into our gut every day to be reabsorbed, as I posted in reply, but they are attacking me as an idiot. I want Mic to obliterate their arguments in a video.
@@elephantintheroom5678 I'd like to see that too.
thomas deLiar has been debunked many times as being a clueless internet marketer.
Having high blood sugar , high triglycerides , being insulin resistant, A1c above 5.7 , an abundance of visceral fat , sedentary lifestyle and low HDL is the best way to get atherosclerosis.
Meanwhile my results on whole-food plant base diet for 2 months:
⭐ Triglicerides: 49.9
⭐ LDL: 63.4
⭐ HDL: 41.2
⭐ Total: 112
⭐ Unnecessary slaughter of sentient beings: ❌
and what is your fasting blood sugar?
@@DanteLikesRock glucose is 83.8 (mg/dl) with ~12 hours from last meal
Your total cholesterol is 112? That is NOT good.
@@residentjess Elaborate. HDL, LDL, and Triglicerides are very optimal, and it (by definition) results in low total cholesterol.
@@konhi-xz5zv cholesterol isn't in your body to be super low. hate to break it to you, but it's there for a purpose surprisingly. i know right, shocking to think that our bodies would do anything for any good reason.
They didn't do research. They did reading.
Like you know anything about research whatsoever.
@@deslawson2662 getting into little spats with people on the internet isn't something I allocate time to. Have a good life and I hope you find happiness ❤️
@@deslawson2662 not like you know anything about "research" either if you're buying what mic has to say.
@@itsmedante.5325 Sorry, I thought you were pro Mic.
@@deslawson2662 whoops lol. I think that was my mistake actually.
There needs to be more push back against anti science misinformation about health and diets. Mic the Vegan does it better than anyone.
@radovan739Uh, bullshit is an animal product so it's better suited for carnivores.
@radovan739 All studies show that seed oils are protective compared to any saturated fat source like butter, I just did my research and will stop buying any saturated fat food, thank you
He had absolutely no idea what he's talking about. His understanding of science is laughable at best. Completely dangerous at worst
That picture os Lindy is so beautiful. Hits me every time! 😍
These people are scary. Remind me of the AIDS denialists, who are all dead. It just goes to show how these bad actors are operating in all areas. I don't blame the couple, people are easily misled.
too bad AIDS isn't part of our human evolution.
People can do vegan keto it doesn’t mean scarfing down eggs bacon cheese and cholesterol plenty of healthy keto meals/ foods. Watermelon blueberries walnuts almonds most nuts avocado cauliflower cabbage. Some people have high diabetes risk/sugar sensitivity so it’s not a bad way to eat for those people as long as you’re not eating bacon wrapped fried cheese dipped in butter 🙄
Vegetarian may have a higher risk of strokes and heart attacks...
According to a recent study published by CNN😅...
Triglycerides have a much higher correlation to CVD than cholesterol. 80% vs 30%
CVD has ~93% correlation with diabetes.
Saving lives by critiquing the carnists.
Anyone can tell stories… My grandparents on both sides of my family live past 90, my mom and aunt are still alive and a brother who is 90 and all they were high fat sad diet all their lies, they were also heavy, smokers and drinkers. No one I know of was a vegetarian.
And I have a friend who drinks liters of beer many days a week, as his father during decades, and both are alive and with good health. They are freaks of nature with kidneys and liver of iron. Lucky or maybe it is very healthy to drink liters of beer
It's really tough seeing people being willfully stupid and endangering themselves and then spreading their stupid arguments to others who will then endanger themselves just as well.
get some real information instead following bullshiter?
now you tell me smart guy, how are they endangering themselves? because i can assure you, carnivore is way healthier than vegan.
@@DanteLikesRock Sure bro, somehow I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about, since you didn't even watch the video full of studies that disprove you.
@@somedudeok1451 Lol. "studies". stop putting so much faith in zero-sense articles written by payed-off writers. anybody who knows anything about science will know that you can get a study to show ANYTHING you want. it's really not that hard to skew statistics.
@@itsmedante.5325 You didn't check who wrote these studies and you didn't check if the conclusions make sense or not. You're just falling back on anti-science rethoric you've heard without understanding it. You also don't have any solutions, except believe the pro-meat voices you choose to believe and "do your own research", which as a layman often has terrible consequences.
If people don’t want to hear something, they won’t. You can only do so much.
Clearly another example of a conclusion in search of evidence - any evidence - which might support it. Of course, good science looks at the preponderence of evidence to reach conclusions rather than cherry picking outliers...
wrong. good science actually performs experiments in a controlled lab environment over a significant timeframe. this has not been done in human nutrition to any meaningful degree.
Thanks mike❤️
Another superb video Mic, we appreciate your work!
However, sugar also has an impact. It may raise your total cholesterol and affect the balance of LDL and HDL. “Diets high in sugar cause the liver to create more LDL, and diets high in sugar also lower HDL cholesterol,” says Eric Ascher, D.O., a family medicine physician at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City.May 2, 2023
I thought that we’d established that the carnivore diet might work for weight loss in the short term, but it’s a disaster in the long run.
Worse yet, you can eat the wrong stuff and give yourself gout or hemochromatosis in addition to high cholesterol.
She shouldn’t be reassured that he’ll be ok.
Might just be that that carnivore cardiologist doesn't operate on people with high LDL because maybe they're just dropped dead.
Haha! Speak to Bart Kay! He'll put you right - why not contact him for advice?
Mic is scared.
Please keep making for of these videos about Carnivore diet, so many good people are falling prey to the quacks promoting it :(
because the carnivore diet is the biologically correct diet. this coming from a former vegan.
@@DanteLikesRockfr? Lmao!!!
@@torashi. yep. I learned so much from watching Bart Kay.
@@DanteLikesRock hahahhahaha
@@torashi. hahahahahaha I know right- so funny, hahaha. But the funniest is knowing vegans deliberately put themselves at risk while ignoring the real data. I agree! funny af. LOL.
The major problem with keto, carnivoe, and low-carb dieters isn't that they're on that kind of diet, but they, like a majority of them, have ZERO training on how to interpret scientific evidence. Saving money on going to a register dietician should NOT be a replacement for online "research". And the "But look how much weight I lost, so therefore carnivore diets work" doesn't cut it either. When will they realize that weight loss shouldn't be the only indicator of good health.
they don't need to. There's enough beef industry shills on the internet so they can be brain dead and follow low-carb, keto, carnivore.
Honestly, who would want to eat that way even if it was healthy? I love a good steak once in a while, but I wouldn't want to eat only meat for the rest of my life.
👍WF omni. is keeping my "machinery" happy. Mediterranean Blue Zones seem to support its health credentials, so why restrict?
Omg the stroke lady had a total of four doctors. Three of them said carnivore could have caused her stroke and one doctor said carnivore didn’t cause her stroke. I could not believe how ridiculous she sounded.
Lmao. I did carnivore for 1 month. It was horrible!! I immediately switched to vegan and have been vegan ever since... over a year now. I will never go back to meat. I'm now raw vegan and know how to cure my diabetes. Granted I'm not cured yet but i will be.
there is a big difference between a heart surgeon and a cardiologist. A cardiologist is generally better educated in the etiology of heart disease.
The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. "Red meat intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in a prospective cohort study of United States females and males"
My cousin has been vegan for 40 years and had a stroke on the golf course last week so not sure what you’re trying to prove
Hpw old where they?
@@spectrepar2458older than 40 for sure probably in their 50s or 60s
I am convinced that probiotics are a waste of money for people with an already healthy gut. And I am unsure that such bacteria won't cause indigestion through competition with natives. Or just fail to take root at all by getting outcompeted.
There's a guy, and his wife, on a podcast I listen to (not a diet podcast) who put themselves on a carni diet based upon some stuff his wife read. Fast forward a year... he ended up in the hospital, almost died, and it's still a MYSTERY as to why it happened, he still thinks it was some random mystery event. Uug.
ended up in the hospital because of what.
I'm sure many vegans have ended up in a hospital after taking upon their diet. your point?
The hoops carnivores will leap through just to keep eating bacon
the hoops vegans will leap through just to deny human anthropology and physiology.
@@itsmedante.5325 is it your first time getting into a dietary tussle? Vegan diets are superior in every way. Get your lethargic, acne prone, smelly stool self out of here.
@@thesuccessfulone absolute nonsense. very un-scientific reply on your part. (if anyone is lethargic it is you vegans with your high blood sugar, and none of those things you mentioned are true. you're clueless.)
Great video!
The absolute arrogance to refuse to let your doctor keep you alive....
Maybe she has a big life insurance policy on him.
I don’t know anyone doing the carnivore diet but I do have family that are following low carb diets due to metabolic disease. I’ve been a vegetarian (I ate dairy, no eggs since I was allergic) since I was 12 y/o and opted to cut out dairy about 13 years ago. My lipid profile has remained pretty consistent over the years, most recent numbers: total cholesterol 167, triglycerides 53, HDL 72 (75 is the top of normal for the lab that did the analysis), LDL 84.4. I’m 65 y/o. I think some of this is genetic (my dad had similar levels and his diet was a lot different from mine). I’ve never tried to argue with people over their dietary choices, but I do think it’s a cultural phenomenon that these kinds of choices have become the basis of identity and any questioning prompts such outrage. Sad that we all get locked into information silos. I will say that the health argument has never seemed to me to be the best foundation for choosing to go plant based. There are many more obvious and compelling reasons, some of which you’ve mentioned.
hahaha! The turtle
😉😉😉 💚👍
LDL is a marker for extreme longevity. Carnivore is the proper human diet.
Ok we will just take ur word for it. Nah how about a source. Prediction...no reply.
@@mbrum3230 ua-cam.com/users/liveoYeKjLchl68?si=gZ26lyfgOVHjSYh8
People that read studies aren't "doing their own research", they're interpreting other peoples research which is called studying 😂.
This couple saddens me actually, they seem really sweet and they seem to be a great subject for psychological study , specifically cognitive dissonance and dissociation. Genuinely concerning, she thinks she’s saving her husband but she is not.
Mic looking JACKED.
What causes the sunken eyes and dark eye circles on a vegan diet ?
Lack of essential nutrients. malnourishment in its purest form.
Lack of essential nutrients. (being vegan is SO healthy!)
I know people who had sunken eyes and dark circles on all their diets ever since they were children. It's not nutrition.
It would be a curious thing to know more about this study, This isn't as clear cut as it seems. I wonder if it was peer reviewed...
From the Mayo Clinic:
Not all heart attacks are caused by blocked arteries. Other causes include:
Coronary artery spasm. This is a severe squeezing of a blood vessel that's not blocked. The artery generally has cholesterol plaques or there is early hardening of the vessel due to smoking or other risk factors. Other names for coronary artery spasms are Prinzmetal's angina, vasospastic angina or variant angina.
Certain infections. COVID-19 and other viral infections may cause damage to the heart muscle.
Spontaneous coronary artery dissection (SCAD). This life-threatening condition is caused by a tear inside a heart artery.
And there are risk factors:
AGE- Men 45 or older. Women 55 or older, more likely than younger men and women.
TABACCO USE
HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE
FAMILY HISTORY OF HEART ATTACKS
STRESS
NOT ENOUGH EXERCISE
Metabolic syndrome. This is a combination of at least three of the following things: enlarged waist (central obesity), high blood pressure, low good cholesterol, high triglycerides and high blood sugar. Having metabolic syndrome makes you twice as likely to develop heart disease than if you don't have it.
For God’s sake man get some sun, lift some weights and eat a steak. I must say you’re the perfect spokesperson for a weed eating diet.
With vegan diet and some twitches from Dr. Greger book colesterol went down from 220 to 110, LDL, to 43 , sugar glycosylated to 5.0, eating whole food, complex carbohydrates grains nuts and all fruits at lybidum, meaning all I want, has lost 22 pounds of pure fat