"You would make a ship sail against the winds and currents by lighting a bon-fire under her deck? I have no time for such nonsense." - Napoleon, on Robert Fulton's Steamship
@@raulnunezvazquez101 Yes, it is a super heavy unique ship from spain, way more powerful them The British one, HMS Victory still in service today. I recall the Santissima Trinidad (father, Son and the holy spirit) sunk after capture and was sailing to Britain. Too much battle damage.
@@roblewis9235 dude, just use it as first ship of the line, the one that will soak out most of the damage, not reasonable to have the most expensive ship in the game, paying upkeep and not using them! Old captured galeons (because Britain can't build) are always able to be placed on trade nodes.
The Trinidad had a crew of novices and was not fully armed. Despite this, she fought with honour at Trafalgar. A British boarding party who tried to board her, believing her to be surrendered, were courteously escorted back to their boats. The firing was halted until these British men returned to their ships. It was a different kind of war and a different kind of man.
@@matthaeusdecuiavia8637 FIGHTING SAIL by A.B.C.WHIPPLE "Another surrender ceremony turned out to be premature. The giant Santísima Trinidad, with her 130-gun decks, was a formidable fighter, but an easy target, and half a dozen British ships were launched on her. When her ensign flew and her guns fell silent, Captain Henry Digby of the Africa sent an officer to accept her surrender. The British officer discovered that Vice-Admiral Don Hidalgo de Cisneros had been wounded, along with his two senior officers. But another polite Spanish officer informed the British emissary that the Santísima Trinidad had not yet given up the fight. The British officer was politely escorted back to his boat, and the Santísima's gunners held their fire until he was safely aboard the Africa. He then resumed firing."
Think naval battles are far harder to judge with 1v1s as who wins can depend a lot on tactics. Think the Trinidad could have won, if early on the player used the wind to cut-off the Ironclad and quickly board. Assume the Trinidad would win in a boarding with its bigger crew.
Absolutely brutal, its nuts to think that ships fought like this in real life, and the men serving had to man their posts even when knowing a full broadside of cannon fire was immanent.
@@ronanwaring3408 at least you can retreat in a field battle, you may be able to desert later, etc. On sea you are stuck on a slow ass piece of wood that is subjected to the whim of the winds and waves.
@@bloodangel19 You usually saw less action though i'd rather be on a boat that was quite well protected by a double hull as was standard practive during this time than to walk slowly towards musket and cannon fire with nothing between you but maybe the guy infront if your lucky
Yes it is an "IRONCLAD" and Victoria was born in 1819 Napoleon had long lost the war and was on Saint Helena by then so no it's not a Victorian era ship yes it's a wooden ship but some of the decks actually was clad in iorn on the inside of the ship. The iornclads your thinking off like the USS monitor and HMS Warrior well there inventors where probably not even born yet
@@ronanwaring3408 No, it was not an Ironclad. They came later. The first true British Iron Clad was HMS Warrior, commissioned into the Royal Navy in 1860. France commissioned the Gloire in 1859. The ships in Total War: Empire are wooden hulled, not iron hulled. Early experiments in cladding ships in iron were abandoned for multiple reasons, including but not unlimited to: Difficulty in the early 19th Century in producing the size and thicknesses of iron plate required. The iron tended to shatter when hit by cannon ball as the metallurgy was not up to the task they required. Due to various reactions with sea water the iron corroded VERY quickly, and so on. They did not get those issues sorted out until the late 1850's. The term Ironclad is reserved not for ships with some iron deck armour, but ships whose entire hulls were covered in iron armour. Earlier ships were generally simply referred to as Steam Frigates as most of them had a single main gun deck.
The same battle with the same player but at the opposite side will give different results... it is not Santisima Trinidad vs Ironclad.. it is player vs AI..It is about the tactics. Sorry but using the wind like that and trying to turn under continous fire made me to write this :)
Okay bro. Actually my video is not about tactics or strategy guide. It's mainly for fun and entertain :D Who the winner, who the loser is not really important.
Seriously. Starting the battle by letting the enemy cross your T 3 times in a row only to the start a broadside duel instead of trying to cross their T is more or less guarantueed defeat.
it's steam powered, 60 years of difference, started on an absolute advantage position wise and out of ST's role, which was either ship of the line or floating battery, ofc El Ponderoso (Spanish mock nickname for the Trinidad because of how poorly she sailed, often requiring towing) isn't fitted for 1v1, but even then the other guy set the battle in a way it nerfed ST even further
Basta ver la primera virada que ha hecho contra el viento, solamente con eso ya ha recibido 3 andanadas completas del barco inglés antes de hacer la primera
press "insert", to enable first person mode. Works in Empire/Napoleon/Shogun in the field and naval battle. PgUp and PgDown it seems to switch the camera view
this went very badly for the santisima trinidad when you made this horrible maneuver at 2:22, you turned to the direction where the wind would blow against you and gave the ironclad a chance to position itself to stern rake you, had you kept sailing in the same direction you would've been able to stern rake the ironclad and then turn right so that you'd be sailing upwind and be able to keep up with ironclad and fire more salvos at it.
UK (as navy) build shorter, more moblie and flexible units, and more of them than anyone. You can see on film(and films before) that faster but less armed ship win.
Sir, you are wrong! British fleet had the most powerful ships from Mary Rose (90 guns) to Victory (106 guns), Warrior (maximum guns among Shogun 2 ships), Dreadnought (and his concept of "only big guns"), Nelson had 9x406mm guns, and King George 5 had 10x356mm... And if it seems to you that "the speed is your armor", the absolute advantage of the ship. Ask what happened to Admiral Beatty's "cats" and the glorious battlecruiser Hood!
@@АлександрБондарчук-э2я I say about navy as all. They had big ships, but doctrine was "smaller and mass production", ships that were more armed than small ships, and faster and more agile than big ships. Cronwell idea used for next 200 years.
the british ships were often inferior to the french and spanish, particularly the french made the best, most technologically advanced ships. They won because they officers were meritocratic excellence and their sailors very well drilled, they shot of about 6 times faster than their counterparts.
As I recalled, Trinidad didn't have a good defensive stats. I've captured it once on British campaign, put it in a fleet and agage the enemy as usual. Trinidad is one of the first ship crumble due to high amount of hull damage.... To me, that ship is a pirze and collection item more than a practical war asset, better charge in with HMS Victory
"Would you make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck? I pray you, excuse me, I have not the time to listen to such nonsense." - Napoleon Bonaparte, after hearing of Robert Fulton's steamship. While largescale adoption of steam warships weren't widespread, there was absolutely experimental models and even some commercial adoption of steamships in the late Napoleonic era. Heck, Fulton himself even designed and produced an actual submarine for the French republic in 1800, and even developed early torpedoes. Were things adopted this early? Absolutely not: it was far too expensive and inefficient to do versus using conventional sail and rig ships. But there were absolutely exceptions to this general rule of thumb; it was a really exciting era for early modern technology. Generally I'd suggest looking up the works of Robert Fulton, the dude was super revolutionary in terms of the technology he was developing. Super interesting stuff :)
@@MustardOligarch Ironclads were first commissioned in the 1850s, they were not steam powered ships of the line --- the first ironclads were metal boxes with a lot of cannons and underpowered engines, they had to be towed to their engagements. Technology was advancing quickly at the time, there were a lot of procedural improvements in steam engines, materials, and mechanisms. I don't think the naval industry at the time was capable of jumping 40 years into the future, the results would have just been underwhelming.
Ironclad: *turns* Santisima Trinidad: *Turns but noticing they cant turn as Much faster than the Ironclad* Also Santisima Trinidad: Quick turn the sails! do anything you can to turn!!
The British Crown: we have a long sea tradition, our ships and our marinesmen are the best. Only with a trained spirit and a high moral we will win through any battle! The Spanish Crown: Muchos cañones=mucho damage
No good idea to sail vs a steam boad againt the wind and show your full broadside all the time. Better to come in fire range and dodging her shots from distance while sailing with the wind
bruh I just reslized that this ship battle better and much more realistic than every other ship-pirate game I have ever playad😂 Imagine AAA game company makes ship and piracy games at 2020-2024 for prize 40-60$ range and still one of the old random total war game’s one battle scene smash their asses HARD muahahahahah Im gonna play it instead of current noob games
"You would make a ship sail against the winds and currents by lighting a bon-fire under her deck? I have no time for such nonsense." - Napoleon, on Robert Fulton's Steamship
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Thats what they all say
I wonder if he live enough to see how far the Steamships would go..
@@sebaaullador1292 He died in like the 1830s or 1820s. So he might of heard about steam ships.
@@No-dy3zk 1821.
Capturing the Santissima Trindad is something I always do as Britain, in empire and Napoleon
Does it appear in Empire?
@@raulnunezvazquez101 Yes, it is a super heavy unique ship from spain, way more powerful them The British one, HMS Victory still in service today. I recall the Santissima Trinidad (father, Son and the holy spirit) sunk after capture and was sailing to Britain. Too much battle damage.
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Same, in my current empire darth mod play through as Britain, I have condemned the Trindad to rot in cork port.
@@roblewis9235 dude, just use it as first ship of the line, the one that will soak out most of the damage, not reasonable to have the most expensive ship in the game, paying upkeep and not using them! Old captured galeons (because Britain can't build) are always able to be placed on trade nodes.
The Trinidad had a crew of novices and was not fully armed. Despite this, she fought with honour at Trafalgar. A British boarding party who tried to board her, believing her to be surrendered, were courteously escorted back to their boats. The firing was halted until these British men returned to their ships. It was a different kind of war and a different kind of man.
Thanks for the info!
This ships fought against 3 ships at the same time and also had good fights through its history.
@@zamirroa The crews failed, brave but poorly trained.
Any source of that Info? I'd like to study it further, since I didn't know about that.
@@matthaeusdecuiavia8637 FIGHTING SAIL by A.B.C.WHIPPLE
"Another surrender ceremony turned out to be premature. The giant Santísima Trinidad, with her 130-gun decks, was a formidable fighter, but an easy target, and half a dozen British ships were launched on her. When her ensign flew and her guns fell silent, Captain Henry Digby of the Africa sent an officer to accept her surrender. The British officer discovered that Vice-Admiral Don Hidalgo de Cisneros had been wounded, along with his two senior officers. But another polite Spanish officer informed the British emissary that the Santísima Trinidad had not yet given up the fight. The British officer was politely escorted back to his boat, and the Santísima's gunners held their fire until he was safely aboard the Africa. He then resumed firing."
Think naval battles are far harder to judge with 1v1s as who wins can depend a lot on tactics.
Think the Trinidad could have won, if early on the player used the wind to cut-off the Ironclad and quickly board. Assume the Trinidad would win in a boarding with its bigger crew.
Yeah, so I made this battle mainly for fun and entertain. Why don't we want to see 2 most powerful ships in the game fighting each other? 😈
Realistically the ironclad would win by the sheer armour it has. Armour plating was incredibly effective against the cannons at the time.
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I would have boarded the ironclad and won that way. Cannon for cannon, the Santisima would lose most of the time IMHO.
@@almightybogza not if the Trinidad boards her.
Absolutely brutal, its nuts to think that ships fought like this in real life, and the men serving had to man their posts even when knowing a full broadside of cannon fire was immanent.
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Same with Line infantry imagine walking in a line at a bunch of people fireing at you
@@ronanwaring3408 at least you can retreat in a field battle, you may be able to desert later, etc. On sea you are stuck on a slow ass piece of wood that is subjected to the whim of the winds and waves.
@@bloodangel19 You usually saw less action though i'd rather be on a boat that was quite well protected by a double hull as was standard practive during this time than to walk slowly towards musket and cannon fire with nothing between you but maybe the guy infront if your lucky
@@bloodangel19 plus most sailors couldn't swim, remember that
This is NOT an "IRONCLAD", it's a steam powered wooden ship of the line from the Victorian era!
Well in game it named "IRONCLAD"
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OK thanks!
But the name is confusing.
Better would be a real name, like "H.M.S. Hannibal" as an example, by the way.
@@harrylor66 Type of ship - IRONCLAD
Name they too have but random.
Yes it is an "IRONCLAD" and Victoria was born in 1819 Napoleon had long lost the war and was on Saint Helena by then so no it's not a Victorian era ship yes it's a wooden ship but some of the decks actually was clad in iorn on the inside of the ship. The iornclads your thinking off like the USS monitor and HMS Warrior well there inventors where probably not even born yet
@@ronanwaring3408 No, it was not an Ironclad. They came later. The first true British Iron Clad was HMS Warrior, commissioned into the Royal Navy in 1860. France commissioned the Gloire in 1859.
The ships in Total War: Empire are wooden hulled, not iron hulled. Early experiments in cladding ships in iron were abandoned for multiple reasons, including but not unlimited to: Difficulty in the early 19th Century in producing the size and thicknesses of iron plate required. The iron tended to shatter when hit by cannon ball as the metallurgy was not up to the task they required. Due to various reactions with sea water the iron corroded VERY quickly, and so on.
They did not get those issues sorted out until the late 1850's. The term Ironclad is reserved not for ships with some iron deck armour, but ships whose entire hulls were covered in iron armour. Earlier ships were generally simply referred to as Steam Frigates as most of them had a single main gun deck.
the gall of this guy to give the steamship the several opener volleys at raking angle
The same battle with the same player but at the opposite side will give different results... it is not Santisima Trinidad vs Ironclad.. it is player vs AI..It is about the tactics. Sorry but using the wind like that and trying to turn under continous fire made me to write this :)
Okay bro. Actually my video is not about tactics or strategy guide. It's mainly for fun and entertain :D
Who the winner, who the loser is not really important.
Seriously. Starting the battle by letting the enemy cross your T 3 times in a row only to the start a broadside duel instead of trying to cross their T is more or less guarantueed defeat.
@@hafor2846 It's mainly for fun and entertain :D
Who the winner, who the loser is not really important.
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Yes. And I have fun poimting out why it's not an accurate result 🤷♀️
@@hafor2846 Okay bro, I'll do better next videos :D.
the spanish ship seems bigger and with straight up more firepower but the british ship has the faster reload speed and is more maneuverable
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Pues claro tienen como 60 años de diferencia
and the user has 0 naval Skills.
it's steam powered, 60 years of difference, started on an absolute advantage position wise and out of ST's role, which was either ship of the line or floating battery, ofc El Ponderoso (Spanish mock nickname for the Trinidad because of how poorly she sailed, often requiring towing) isn't fitted for 1v1, but even then the other guy set the battle in a way it nerfed ST even further
La Santísima Trinidad de 10 combates contra cualquier barco gana 9 y siendo generoso...se ve que este usuario quería que perdiera España.
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Basta ver la primera virada que ha hecho contra el viento, solamente con eso ya ha recibido 3 andanadas completas del barco inglés antes de hacer la primera
Spain cope
press "insert", to enable first person mode. Works in Empire/Napoleon/Shogun in the field and naval battle. PgUp and PgDown it seems to switch the camera view
Thank you bro! I'll try.
Or you can use your mouse wheel instead of PgUp/Down
@@kesk5619 Yup! Thanks.
this went very badly for the santisima trinidad when you made this horrible maneuver at 2:22, you turned to the direction where the wind would blow against you and gave the ironclad a chance to position itself to stern rake you, had you kept sailing in the same direction you would've been able to stern rake the ironclad and then turn right so that you'd be sailing upwind and be able to keep up with ironclad and fire more salvos at it.
Okay! Thanks for your feedback.
UK (as navy) build shorter, more moblie and flexible units, and more of them than anyone.
You can see on film(and films before) that faster but less armed ship win.
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Sir, you are wrong!
British fleet had the most powerful ships from Mary Rose (90 guns) to Victory (106 guns), Warrior (maximum guns among Shogun 2 ships), Dreadnought (and his concept of "only big guns"), Nelson had 9x406mm guns, and King George 5 had 10x356mm...
And if it seems to you that "the speed is your armor", the absolute advantage of the ship. Ask what happened to Admiral Beatty's "cats" and the glorious battlecruiser Hood!
@@АлександрБондарчук-э2я I say about navy as all. They had big ships, but doctrine was "smaller and mass production", ships that were more armed than small ships, and faster and more agile than big ships.
Cronwell idea used for next 200 years.
@@АлександрБондарчук-э2я "Hood" was very unlucky. the same "Lion".
the british ships were often inferior to the french and spanish, particularly the french made the best, most technologically advanced ships. They won because they officers were meritocratic excellence and their sailors very well drilled, they shot of about 6 times faster than their counterparts.
The AI always kills around 5 cannons per volley on the player's ship, while the player barely kills any cannons against an AI ship. So unfair
Look at the hull strength bro. It's the reason.
As I recalled, Trinidad didn't have a good defensive stats.
I've captured it once on British campaign, put it in a fleet and agage the enemy as usual.
Trinidad is one of the first ship crumble due to high amount of hull damage....
To me, that ship is a pirze and collection item more than a practical war asset,
better charge in with HMS Victory
@@suaowilliam Me too. Why don't we want to get the biggest ship in the game 😈
Steam engine Ironclad in Napoleon era? I miss some page from history book?
I was sure units like this UK sterted use after 1840.
It wasnt impossible.
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"Would you make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck? I pray you, excuse me, I have not the time to listen to such nonsense." - Napoleon Bonaparte, after hearing of Robert Fulton's steamship.
While largescale adoption of steam warships weren't widespread, there was absolutely experimental models and even some commercial adoption of steamships in the late Napoleonic era. Heck, Fulton himself even designed and produced an actual submarine for the French republic in 1800, and even developed early torpedoes.
Were things adopted this early? Absolutely not: it was far too expensive and inefficient to do versus using conventional sail and rig ships. But there were absolutely exceptions to this general rule of thumb; it was a really exciting era for early modern technology.
Generally I'd suggest looking up the works of Robert Fulton, the dude was super revolutionary in terms of the technology he was developing. Super interesting stuff :)
@@MustardOligarch Interesting. This game is total war wtf time line on sea, because leta game units are 50 years in the future,
@@MustardOligarch Ironclads were first commissioned in the 1850s, they were not steam powered ships of the line --- the first ironclads were metal boxes with a lot of cannons and underpowered engines, they had to be towed to their engagements. Technology was advancing quickly at the time, there were a lot of procedural improvements in steam engines, materials, and mechanisms. I don't think the naval industry at the time was capable of jumping 40 years into the future, the results would have just been underwhelming.
Could you please do more of these?
Yeah, of course!
I love these battles
Thank you!
the trolling motor on the Trinidad is working overtime
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Love how they run away as the enemy is starting to badly list
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Ironclad: *turns*
Santisima Trinidad: *Turns but noticing they cant turn as Much faster than the Ironclad*
Also Santisima Trinidad: Quick turn the sails! do anything you can to turn!!
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Why can't I hire this ship when playing as Spain?
this game needs a mod to add more ships and pirate ships.
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5:50 They went ramming speed lol
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The britain Iron Clad is much more accuracy and also better reload
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nice video
Thank you bro!
The British Crown: we have a long sea tradition, our ships and our marinesmen are the best. Only with a trained spirit and a high moral we will win through any battle!
The Spanish Crown: Muchos cañones=mucho damage
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I don't like to be that guy but ship's name is Santísima Trinidad. No double 's'
Okay bro! I edited it.
No good idea to sail vs a steam boad againt the wind and show your full broadside all the time. Better to come in fire range and dodging her shots from distance while sailing with the wind
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Hình như game ghi sai, Santísima Trinidad mới đúng. Tàu Ba Ngôi Cực Thánh 140 pháo huyền thoại của Tây Ban Nha
Ok bác, tôi không rành cái này.
The worst movements to the Santisima Trinidad 😄, Did you want to lose, right? lol
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that tactics trigger me lol
I have to do the same thing as the AI for fair 😈
Damn actually doing this seems jard AF
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Arriba España :3
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Random german peeping at this through his periscope. Who forgot to turn of the diesels again 🤣
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Horribly played
Yeah, nothing surprised here because I wanted to play the same as the AI for fair.
Mi pobre niña
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Bad player, bad game 😅
Okay 😈
bruh I just reslized that this ship battle better and much more realistic than every other ship-pirate game I have ever playad😂 Imagine AAA game company makes ship and piracy games at 2020-2024 for prize 40-60$ range and still one of the old random total war game’s one battle scene smash their asses HARD muahahahahah Im gonna play it instead of current noob games
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Ever heard of naval action my friend?
More likely the ironclad would win because santisima trinidad was very unstable so she was idle for most of the time
Yeah, Ironclad would win due to their superior speed and maneuver.
Before size matters in battle but now speed and maneuver matters
Kamikaze attack
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