I so hope these are made into camper vans! I live in Canada and we're constantly bombarded with these massively oversized beasts that never have the vibe of the original Westfalia. Good luck with the conversions!
They'll never sell it over here as a commercial vehicle or camper for the same reason we don't get the current California: The US Chicken Tax. It's such a massive pain, as the California would sell so well over here especially in BC.
but the charging is such a pain in the ass especially in winter thats excluding the crappy infastructure in canada and gonna be pain for winter camping with extreme conditions
By 2030 you’ll only have the choice of electric vans to convert anyway so best get on top early. The new eTransit, e-vivaro and relevant other makes by Stelantis group all making very good ev ranges with good load capabilities. They will be way less expensive than the VW variants.
@@stevessub I think that'll change pretty quickly, as large companies transition for financial reasons, 2nd hand ones will appear at decent prices a few years later. You're right though about the commercial charging - quite a few public charging points are behind height restriction gates, so that's going to a problem for larger vans
although they don’t have a raised transmission tunnel so you have a nice flat floor, EVs effectively have the entire floor as a transmission tunnel as its all raised to make space for the batteries. So it’ll always have a good chunk of lost headroom vs an ICE version which in the back can be just mostly a hollow box. That’ll be a big challenge - may need some innovative pop up roofs to mitigate that
You would have better luck with the Rivian Amazon van that maybe they will sell in the future, because you have ample head room to stand in the van, giving you way more options, and they will come out with a quite big one in the near future, the only thing i will say, if you want to make it into a full camper van, you would need the AWD version that will be available in the mountainous cold regions, also bigger batteries, but idk if Rivian will be open to sell the vans to the public after the Amazon Contract is mostly fulfilled.
We have a 2016 T6 that was converted in 2020 with an end kitchen, casette toilet, 4 passenger seats with belts and high roof with cental isle for ease of getting in and out of bed without having to shuffle down it as in the rock and roll version. We absolutely love it and the life of spontaneously exploring and discovering beautiful places. This is our second VW of that configuration, the last one being a 1995 T4 that we toured the UK in for 6 years (and we sold it for what we bought it for). As visually beautiful as it is, I think that VW have a long, long way to go before we would have confidence to change from diesel to electric. British caravan sites, both UK camping/motorhome/caravan clubs are going to have to install vehicle charging points on all pitches and that will be a long way off if it ever happens - will members be happy to pay for that, especially now that the cost of living has sky-rocketed? When we are in our van, I'm in no hurry to get to my destination. I want to take in the views. I want the freedom to turn off and explore tiny lanes, discover hidden beaches and panoramas without having to think where I can charge it. Once there are the same amount of charging places as fuel stations, we'll consider it, but by then, the VW Buzz as a camper will be unaffordable to most campervanners. And how will the range be affected towing a caravan or a trailer up and down some hills? As I say, for many of us, it's a long way off.
I have the original caddy camper made by VW. I like it loads better than their new california so I'm looking at the hybrid multivan or the buzz to possibly convert. I don't like pop tops - I know most people do but it makes my van cold and obvious so I don't - you should consider offering us campers who don't want a roof and definitely don't want a kitchen sink or an en-suite a very basic set up like this. My caddy is really my favourite van - though not to everyone's taste!
I agree that the VW line up is very limiting for campervan conversions. Ideally they would produce a SWB Crafter which would then enable a transverse bed and would be great competition for the Fiat Ducato and the Mercedes Sprinter.
I disagree with you humble, volkswagen made remote camping on budget fund plus more room for functionalities, EV, alternate power, manual transmission. What could you ever desire
What about the commercial van being developed between VW and Ford? Doesn't that fit the T6.1 replacement brief? They are planning a 100% electric version I think?
The Stelantis Eelcetric van is e.g. e-vivaro or equiverlent is the only viable elecric base veichle at the moment as I see it. I have an old Traffic based conversion with 213,000 miles on the clock and am seriously thinking abut what to do next. A custom conversion on one of the electric Stelantis vans is looking like what I am after. I have been driving the Traffic for the last 2 months pretending it was electric with a similar range and working out where I would go and charge it. For my typical usage at weekends with a 200-250 mile round trip it would need one charge. I often drive in the evening then eat before finding somewhere to stop. My eating stop would just need to be at a rapid charger somewhere close to the intended destination.
Wonder why they didn't see the cargo version? - from photos the panelling in the back appears to give more space (width and height). I'd also like to know if the bulkhead can be removed easily from the cargo version.
Anyone know if the id buzz cargo bulkhead comes out? I’d like to mildly convert a cargo. But would need a seat or small bench in the back. Shame there’s no Kombi cargo
I am going to guess that things like water tanks are going to be a bit of an interesting issue, as they would normally be placed low (under the floor), but this space is taken up by the lithium battery, a thing which does NOT mix at all well with water.
electric cars don't lose that much (highway)range due to the weight unless u r traveling uphill, tho. i mean the Lucid Air is a heavy car but still has great consumption on the highway. if u r talking towing a trailor that is different since aerodynamics can effect the range quite a lot more than weight.
DOESNT bode at all well for a camperBuzz anytime soon. So there are really no ev camperban options in sight yet. Probably a ban with a chimney will have to do for the next few years but that sucks! Option seems to be perhaps an SUV like an Ariya with a camping kit but that has limitations and is minimalist. Sad really that things haven’t come into market faster.
If I wanted an e-camper the size of the ID Buzz I would've bought into the e-NV200 which has been around for a few years and has had some nice camper conversions made on it already. But I've already had one smaller van than my current T5, and I'm not convinced I want to go that way again. I'll be very interested to see future camper setups in the ID Buzz though... But - at the moment anyway - much more curious about Jerba's Crafter project!
When the buzz launched I though I’d caught them say that although the external dims were shorter, the internal were similar due to the better packaging / no engine. ?
4:06 there must be a reason 😳 Maybe because England does quite a lot of things different than the rest of Europe. Electric, measurements, driving position, currency, brexit,... don't know.... It is all about the money.
I thought they were having a panoramic roof on the Buzz🤔
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The ID buzz is an e-sharan. The market value of the transporter line was better so they tried to link them. The T7 Multivan was thrown together to have a transform model in between the old and the new design. Prices were mentioned for the id.buzz were all around and above the T7 Multivan prices. I assume the prices of the cargo will be around 60-70% of that. A few years ago there were some rumours about the T7 Transporter which would be a badge engeneering together with Ford. I am not sure about the model cycle of the Transit but I assume they will come together if it is true. The fact that they wont sell the bigger cargo in the UK makes it credible.
It's a good comparison but unfortunately it's a poor Sharan replacement, at least for those with 3 or more kids and a need to tow (I've never seen anyone with a Sharan that doesn't have at least 3 kids but of course it aint pretty or 'cool' so you probably only get one if you need one). The buzz doesn't appear to have 3 independent seats with isofix and there's no data regarding towing capacity that I can find. I've had a hybrid for 6 years but also a 2.0l tdi Sharan because towing capacities and loaded range have just not been viable. I'm disappointed this doesn't appear to be taking any significant strides forward in terms of that performance. It won't be a viable electric option for many who currently have Sharans and it's strange that it's being called a bus by many reviewers. Sorry, that was a bit of a rant and not directed at you, I just picked up on the Sharan comparison. Let's hope VW do indeed have a better plan.
It can work as a straight replacement if cost is no barrier, particularly the diesel option but I’m looking out for zero emission vehicles that offer what their current diesel siblings do. I’m not wedded to the ICE and have loved the 2 hybrid cars I’ve had. Probably 80% of my miles in those have been on pure electric so I’m supportive of change, just disappointed with the rate of development and ignorance of user need as well as infrastructure limitations. Maybe I should just sell the caravan and at least one child and embrace the electric revolution 😀.
I hope VW launch a bigger BUZZ... I only buy EVs these days.. but the small Buzz is not great. And 1T tow capacity is a deal breaker for many I would suspect. VW... I award you a Bronze Medal.. but way off the Gold im afraid!
Because phones don’t have to deal with aerodynamics. The bigger cars have significantly worse aerodynamics than the smaller one which hampers the range. Not to mention that they have to carry more weight because there is more interior as well as more batteries because you need more power for a bigger vehicle. All of those things affect the battery life. It’s actually quite a complicated process.
@@darkcircle899 makes sense, but bigger phones still have bigger displays, which are the main drain of a phone. But of course they don't necessarily need a bigger "motor".
Were you looking at the external dimensions because from what I've seen elsewhere the internal space is the same as a swb T6 because the distance between wheels is the same as the T6. Crazy that they won't be launching the lwb., I can't see that decision lasting. Shame the interior is the same as the ID3 and ID4 though, b other MEB cars like the Audi and Škoda have much better interiors.
You all have to wait for 2024/2025 when the new Transporter of the joint venture from VW and Ford will come. A Transit from Turkey. So buy real VW T6.1 Transporters as long as you can.
Nisssan E-nv200 is not bigger, just an educated guss, but I'm pretty sure, and I've seen that as a camper (online). And the buzz is wider, so how they mean its smaller in the back I'm not shure, maybe the wide wheelbase make it look smaler just inside the talegate, or the nice panels, witch contains a subwofer, but is not wider than they need to and I hope isolates for noys and weather and seasons. But with that horizont sounds like one have to make doe for yourself your own way. And it comes to Norway this year, also as cargo version, and much is similar (but not all).
I so hope these are made into camper vans! I live in Canada and we're constantly bombarded with these massively oversized beasts that never have the vibe of the original Westfalia. Good luck with the conversions!
They'll never sell it over here as a commercial vehicle or camper for the same reason we don't get the current California: The US Chicken Tax. It's such a massive pain, as the California would sell so well over here especially in BC.
VW is planning a conversation themselves for 2025. It will be called ID.California
@@our_roadtrip can you link to VW actually confirming that and that it'll be sold on north America?
but the charging is such a pain in the ass especially in winter thats excluding the crappy infastructure in canada and gonna be pain for winter camping with extreme conditions
I wish there could be a custom high roof camper version, with default override for off road trips
Great design, root for 3
Very excited about this van 👍
A lifting roof and a stove in the back would already be enough for me for most trips. The ID Buzz is definitely bigger than the XBus camper version.
Looks like buying a T6.1 was a good decision.
By 2030 you’ll only have the choice of electric vans to convert anyway so best get on top early. The new eTransit, e-vivaro and relevant other makes by Stelantis group all making very good ev ranges with good load capabilities. They will be way less expensive than the VW variants.
No chance.. commercial diesel vans will be around for a lot longer than that. The UK does not have the infrastructure for commercial charging
@@stevessub I think that'll change pretty quickly, as large companies transition for financial reasons, 2nd hand ones will appear at decent prices a few years later. You're right though about the commercial charging - quite a few public charging points are behind height restriction gates, so that's going to a problem for larger vans
although they don’t have a raised transmission tunnel so you have a nice flat floor, EVs effectively have the entire floor as a transmission tunnel as its all raised to make space for the batteries. So it’ll always have a good chunk of lost headroom vs an ICE version which in the back can be just mostly a hollow box. That’ll be a big challenge - may need some innovative pop up roofs to mitigate that
You would have better luck with the Rivian Amazon van that maybe they will sell in the future, because you have ample head room to stand in the van, giving you way more options, and they will come out with a quite big one in the near future, the only thing i will say, if you want to make it into a full camper van, you would need the AWD version that will be available in the mountainous cold regions, also bigger batteries, but idk if Rivian will be open to sell the vans to the public after the Amazon Contract is mostly fulfilled.
We have a 2016 T6 that was converted in 2020 with an end kitchen, casette toilet, 4 passenger seats with belts and high roof with cental isle for ease of getting in and out of bed without having to shuffle down it as in the rock and roll version. We absolutely love it and the life of spontaneously exploring and discovering beautiful places. This is our second VW of that configuration, the last one being a 1995 T4 that we toured the UK in for 6 years (and we sold it for what we bought it for). As visually beautiful as it is, I think that VW have a long, long way to go before we would have confidence to change from diesel to electric. British caravan sites, both UK camping/motorhome/caravan clubs are going to have to install vehicle charging points on all pitches and that will be a long way off if it ever happens - will members be happy to pay for that, especially now that the cost of living has sky-rocketed? When we are in our van, I'm in no hurry to get to my destination. I want to take in the views. I want the freedom to turn off and explore tiny lanes, discover hidden beaches and panoramas without having to think where I can charge it. Once there are the same amount of charging places as fuel stations, we'll consider it, but by then, the VW Buzz as a camper will be unaffordable to most campervanners. And how will the range be affected towing a caravan or a trailer up and down some hills? As I say, for many of us, it's a long way off.
I have the original caddy camper made by VW. I like it loads better than their new california so I'm looking at the hybrid multivan or the buzz to possibly convert. I don't like pop tops - I know most people do but it makes my van cold and obvious so I don't - you should consider offering us campers who don't want a roof and definitely don't want a kitchen sink or an en-suite a very basic set up like this. My caddy is really my favourite van - though not to everyone's taste!
Maybe start with how far can it travel…as I suspect most time would be spent charging it and trying to get anywhere…oh and never going off grid.
I agree that the VW line up is very limiting for campervan conversions. Ideally they would produce a SWB Crafter which would then enable a transverse bed and would be great competition for the Fiat Ducato and the Mercedes Sprinter.
I disagree with you humble, volkswagen made remote camping on budget fund plus more room for functionalities, EV, alternate power, manual transmission. What could you ever desire
It'd be interesting to see the comparison of internal cargo space between Ben Ponn's original design of thr microbus vs the ID buzz
What about the commercial van being developed between VW and Ford? Doesn't that fit the T6.1 replacement brief? They are planning a 100% electric version I think?
We’re hoping that will be the one, but no news on it yet other than we know it’s happening.
Can’t wait to see what you’re doing with the Crafter!
The Stelantis Eelcetric van is e.g. e-vivaro or equiverlent is the only viable elecric base veichle at the moment as I see it. I have an old Traffic based conversion with 213,000 miles on the clock and am seriously thinking abut what to do next. A custom conversion on one of the electric Stelantis vans is looking like what I am after. I have been driving the Traffic for the last 2 months pretending it was electric with a similar range and working out where I would go and charge it. For my typical usage at weekends with a 200-250 mile round trip it would need one charge. I often drive in the evening then eat before finding somewhere to stop. My eating stop would just need to be at a rapid charger somewhere close to the intended destination.
Wonder why they didn't see the cargo version? - from photos the panelling in the back appears to give more space (width and height). I'd also like to know if the bulkhead can be removed easily from the cargo version.
Anyone know if the id buzz cargo bulkhead comes out? I’d like to mildly convert a cargo. But would need a seat or small bench in the back. Shame there’s no Kombi cargo
Need that longer wheelbase and range that’s coming to USA for a conversion.
Is this convertible to fully wheelchair accessible car, meaning the entire wheelchair has to go inside with passenger
I am going to guess that things like water tanks are going to be a bit of an interesting issue, as they would normally be placed low (under the floor), but this space is taken up by the lithium battery, a thing which does NOT mix at all well with water.
electric cars don't lose that much (highway)range due to the weight unless u r traveling uphill, tho. i mean the Lucid Air is a heavy car but still has great consumption on the highway. if u r talking towing a trailor that is different since aerodynamics can effect the range quite a lot more than weight.
Hi have you got anywhere with the design yet? Sounds like it would be interesting
What about the id Buzz Cargo which is showing on VW’s site as coming soon?
Only in short wheel base. That is what we will convert if we can
DOESNT bode at all well for a camperBuzz anytime soon. So there are really no ev camperban options in sight yet. Probably a ban with a chimney will have to do for the next few years but that sucks! Option seems to be perhaps an SUV like an Ariya with a camping kit but that has limitations and is minimalist. Sad really that things haven’t come into market faster.
The ID buzz costs more to buy than buying a older one and get a electric conversion
Love the ID Buzz buts it's not a Transporter replacement imo. Maybe a SWB low roof Crafter makes more sense for converters?
Of course not, it's the size of an ID.4! But it's probably a good choice in the segment of smaller vans.
If I wanted an e-camper the size of the ID Buzz I would've bought into the e-NV200 which has been around for a few years and has had some nice camper conversions made on it already. But I've already had one smaller van than my current T5, and I'm not convinced I want to go that way again. I'll be very interested to see future camper setups in the ID Buzz though... But - at the moment anyway - much more curious about Jerba's Crafter project!
e-NV lacks a usable battery. Almost half of ID. BUZZ at its smaller form. The LWB version will have 100+kWh battery
When the buzz launched I though I’d caught them say that although the external dims were shorter, the internal were similar due to the better packaging / no engine. ?
I'm not sure about the ID. Buzz. But that's definitely the case with the T7.
4:06 there must be a reason 😳 Maybe because England does quite a lot of things different than the rest of Europe. Electric, measurements, driving position, currency, brexit,... don't know.... It is all about the money.
I’ll bet the camper van version will be over $100,000+
I thought they were having a panoramic roof on the Buzz🤔
The ID buzz is an e-sharan. The market value of the transporter line was better so they tried to link them. The T7 Multivan was thrown together to have a transform model in between the old and the new design.
Prices were mentioned for the id.buzz were all around and above the T7 Multivan prices. I assume the prices of the cargo will be around 60-70% of that.
A few years ago there were some rumours about the T7 Transporter which would be a badge engeneering together with Ford. I am not sure about the model cycle of the Transit but I assume they will come together if it is true. The fact that they wont sell the bigger cargo in the UK makes it credible.
Spot on, thanks for this!
It's a good comparison but unfortunately it's a poor Sharan replacement, at least for those with 3 or more kids and a need to tow (I've never seen anyone with a Sharan that doesn't have at least 3 kids but of course it aint pretty or 'cool' so you probably only get one if you need one). The buzz doesn't appear to have 3 independent seats with isofix and there's no data regarding towing capacity that I can find. I've had a hybrid for 6 years but also a 2.0l tdi Sharan because towing capacities and loaded range have just not been viable. I'm disappointed this doesn't appear to be taking any significant strides forward in terms of that performance. It won't be a viable electric option for many who currently have Sharans and it's strange that it's being called a bus by many reviewers. Sorry, that was a bit of a rant and not directed at you, I just picked up on the Sharan comparison. Let's hope VW do indeed have a better plan.
@@stuartlowrie1550 how do you feel about the T7 Multivan? Similarly let down as a sharan comparison?
It can work as a straight replacement if cost is no barrier, particularly the diesel option but I’m looking out for zero emission vehicles that offer what their current diesel siblings do. I’m not wedded to the ICE and have loved the 2 hybrid cars I’ve had. Probably 80% of my miles in those have been on pure electric so I’m supportive of change, just disappointed with the rate of development and ignorance of user need as well as infrastructure limitations. Maybe I should just sell the caravan and at least one child and embrace the electric revolution 😀.
I hope VW launch a bigger BUZZ...
I only buy EVs these days.. but the small Buzz is not great. And 1T tow capacity is a deal breaker for many I would suspect.
VW... I award you a Bronze Medal.. but way off the Gold im afraid!
When phones got larger, they also got more battery time.. why isn't this happening with electric vehicles?
Because phones don’t have to deal with aerodynamics. The bigger cars have significantly worse aerodynamics than the smaller one which hampers the range. Not to mention that they have to carry more weight because there is more interior as well as more batteries because you need more power for a bigger vehicle. All of those things affect the battery life. It’s actually quite a complicated process.
@@darkcircle899 makes sense, but bigger phones still have bigger displays, which are the main drain of a phone. But of course they don't necessarily need a bigger "motor".
Were you looking at the external dimensions because from what I've seen elsewhere the internal space is the same as a swb T6 because the distance between wheels is the same as the T6. Crazy that they won't be launching the lwb., I can't see that decision lasting. Shame the interior is the same as the ID3 and ID4 though, b other MEB cars like the Audi and Škoda have much better interiors.
As far as I know the lwb will come. But as usual the car manufacturer rolls out all the models step by step. So you will have to wait a bit.
V2L?
You all have to wait for 2024/2025 when the new Transporter of the joint venture from VW and Ford will come. A Transit from Turkey. So buy real VW T6.1 Transporters as long as you can.
You are better off creating a conversion that is more like a California beach!!!
It looks very small to replace the T6.1 ... too small for a camper
Nisssan E-nv200 is not bigger, just an educated guss, but I'm pretty sure, and I've seen that as a camper (online). And the buzz is wider, so how they mean its smaller in the back I'm not shure, maybe the wide wheelbase make it look smaler just inside the talegate, or the nice panels, witch contains a subwofer, but is not wider than they need to and I hope isolates for noys and weather and seasons. But with that horizont sounds like one have to make doe for yourself your own way. And it comes to Norway this year, also as cargo version, and much is similar (but not all).
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"Nothing made of animal products"
ie. Everything is made from petroleum-based carbon. OMG.
Looks to small to do anything with.
Too small
Too smalll wtf