This demonstration of Seisan is terrific. The focus of Sanchin to start leads to the ferocious display of tiger and crane to the mid-point. The battle mid way is awesome. Make sure attackers are down and out. A Sanchin regeneration leads to the final confrontation - power , speed, focus, and grace. Superb!
There is a difference between a kata performance for dojo training, and performance for tournament. IMHO, I felt this karateka did a really tremendous job performing this kata, but understand it's just a performance. Maybe he does the kata the way it was meant to be done at his dojo. Just to emphasize my point: There is way for kata to be done in the dojo, and also a way for it to be done for tournament.
How do you learn Kata for tournament? We're supposed to change the rythm the way we find it looks the best? Or are there standardized competition style Uechi-Ryu katas?
That was excellent and he looks like a teen-ager, with that yakyu team haircut. All these comment posting experts, talking sh1t about form, tradition, competition, dojo, timing and the like, please post up video of yourselves. That kid was fcuking excellent and it was a pleasure to watch, it was so good i watched it 5 times in a row and liked it. thank-you jesse. Keep up the good work.
Overall I'd say it was a very good competition form. Meaning, that there were certainly extended pauses for dramatic effect, crisp strikes and excellent balance. My comment would be that studying Uechi Ryu over 28 years, the stance itself was wider that traditionally taught as I was shown "shouder width," apart. Of course schools have different variations of the same exact kata especially if you are from the George Matteson lineage or the Okinawans Nakahoda and others. The thing that sticks out to me is the beat/tempo. As with our sanchin strikes I was taught to do the strike in "3" steps evenly paced. Other schools emphasized brning the arm back faster in as that is a defense move against a grab as well as keeping your elbow "one fist " distance from elbow to body. I like and enjoyed the form for what it howed, balance, poise, speed, strength, control, I would've have liked to heard a little more "Sanchin ," breathing but as I said, I know this was a competition form and most likely wouldn't be exact way he performed it on his own.
The level of speed, power, sharpness, and detailed technique, along with the focused mindset that this karateka developed in training for the tournament performance, can be a good foundation for him to build on in further practice. This is a very nice variation, not necessarily a wrong method.
I agree on your assessment of tournament judging of kata. They also can overemphasize speed and lots of "Kias".(see any kata performed by team XMA) I've seem kata done slowly by older practitioners(like myself), but the power is evident. Kata should feel relaxed and natural, like breathing. It seems simple enough, but unfortunately tournaments don't judge them that way. What good is speed if there is no power in the application?
well i love how the americans are commenting and criticizing, as a personal learner who had been learning from a very tradition and poor teacher that was well down, in Uechi - Ryu you all thing theres "spirit" and "perfection" in it....YOUR wrong, the point of these katas is different than what you think, its about memorizing how to fight, block, and punch/kick it teaches you how to fight.. That is the way how i learned it after 4-5 years + i live in Okinawa and Im half Asian/American
Nice job! I would love to have this guy as a student. I could do things with his natural speed. This is a tournament performance. Just like bodybuilding--not so much go, but fantastic show. And for the record, my wife was a competitive bodybuilder. I understand the nuance.
Muchas cosas (como pausas y velocidad) fueron cambiadas para hacerlo ver como un Kata de competencia común, Seisan no es así, me hace sentir como si fuera a vomitar. Mis disculpas. Many things (like pauses and timing) were changed to make it look like a regular competition kata, Seisan is not like this, this makes me feel like if I were about to throw out. Sorry.
It was impressive, you can tell how much time he must have dedicated to perfecting his technique but at the same time that is not Uechi-ryu as I know it.
For the most part, Uechi Ryu Kata are done the same throughout. The change in timing makes it almost look like a Goju Kata now. I am disappointed that this is the new age of Okinawan Karate Competition for Uechi Ryu.
IMO I feel that Uechi kata shouldn't be treated like Japanese competitive/tournament kata. Uechi is supposed to be half hard half soft, but in this demonstration here I'm not seeing harmony between the two. Uechi has a rhythm flow all of it's own. I could see that the competitor may be trying to adapt the kata to more mainstream tournament style... but since it's an "Okinawan" they shouldn't have to imitate the Japanese scene. But then again maybe this is a branch of Uechi style where this is the norm and has a different application of Uechi-Ryu. Someone let me know! OSS!
the flow of this kata is off but wow, you gotta respect that speed and power..can you imagine if he did let this kata flow? He'd be done in 10 seconds or less! Though I think his elbows are gonna be feeling that whole "lets lock every time we strike!" thing in a couple years...ouch.
Somewhat dramatic...but...all in all...I don't see how anyone can say this was not good. For those of you who are "Offended"...stop being an arrogant ass...Traditionally should it be smoother, less dramatic pauses?...well, yes...Could he Perform it smoothly with less pauses, almost certainly...but like it or not that is not "Tournament" type of way to do the Kata. Don't box yourself in a corner, the guy is good and if you don't like it then get voted to the "Okinawan Karate Championship" Board and propose change OR become a judge...OR shut up and appreciate what this guy can do.
I don't have a thumbs up button for your comment so I'm just saying I like it I don't teach this way nor was I taught this way I think it's silly but if you can't appreciate the ability that goes into what he's doing then shut your mouth
Ability is definitely there...but...I think the Art is losing it's Art to Drama...it's not the same thing...he is obviously talented...as Funakoshi said..."Kata is not a Dance"
Come on, it's OK if somebody wants to change a kata for winning a competition. He does nice tricks with incredible speed, and deserves all the prasing for such an effort. But the karate competition world is degenerating slowly for gaining adepts while agonizining because of the appearance of MMA and stuff like that. As I said for competition is OK, even if you want to invent a new kata because you think are so awsome, but the essence is lost. Where I live there are regional dances with more effective movements than the ones seen in this video. But yes, he moves fast, it's a good start.
This is a poor performance. It is robotic and has no flow. Do a search on Uechi Manei performing the same kata (Seisan) and you will see how the kata should be performed. It is too bad that the meaning of the kata has been lost by this practitioner.
I like the kata itself but not the performance. It's not that I don't like the performer, because he's performing the kata the way it must be performed to receive a good score what I don't like is how today's tournaments suck the life out of karate. The tournaments today promote robotic step by step movements and mistake that type of movement for "perfection". People should feel the emotions of the karateka and they should also get a feel of what the kata is about.
i think like you do... this is not a very good performance, im in dissapoint with the new way to do okinawa karate, its very "sport" (i dont know how to say this) im sad about this
Regardless of what others think, this man has the most crisp, hard, fast and ferocious form of Seisan that I’ve ever seen. His Kimi is unbelievable
This demonstration of Seisan is terrific. The focus of Sanchin to start leads to the ferocious display of tiger and crane to the mid-point. The battle mid way is awesome. Make sure attackers are down and out. A Sanchin regeneration leads to the final confrontation - power , speed, focus, and grace. Superb!
There is a difference between a kata performance for dojo training, and performance for tournament. IMHO, I felt this karateka did a really tremendous job performing this kata, but understand it's just a performance. Maybe he does the kata the way it was meant to be done at his dojo. Just to emphasize my point: There is way for kata to be done in the dojo, and also a way for it to be done for tournament.
How do you learn Kata for tournament? We're supposed to change the rythm the way we find it looks the best? Or are there standardized competition style Uechi-Ryu katas?
That was excellent and he looks like a teen-ager, with that yakyu team haircut.
All these comment posting experts, talking sh1t about form, tradition, competition, dojo, timing and the like, please post up video of yourselves.
That kid was fcuking excellent and it was a pleasure to watch, it was so good i watched it 5 times in a row and liked it. thank-you jesse. Keep up the good work.
Overall I'd say it was a very good competition form. Meaning, that there were certainly extended pauses for dramatic effect, crisp strikes and excellent balance.
My comment would be that studying Uechi Ryu over 28 years, the stance itself was wider that traditionally taught as I was shown "shouder width," apart.
Of course schools have different variations of the same exact kata especially if you are from the George Matteson lineage or the Okinawans Nakahoda and others.
The thing that sticks out to me is the beat/tempo. As with our sanchin strikes I was taught to do the strike in "3" steps evenly paced. Other schools emphasized brning the arm back faster in as that is a defense move against a grab as well as keeping your elbow "one fist " distance from elbow to body.
I like and enjoyed the form for what it howed, balance, poise, speed, strength, control, I would've have liked to heard a little more "Sanchin ," breathing but as I said, I know this was a competition form and most likely wouldn't be exact way he performed it on his own.
That Karateka has fast hand technique, and very fluid kata performance.
The level of speed, power, sharpness, and detailed technique, along with the focused mindset that this karateka developed in training for the tournament performance, can be a good foundation for him to build on in further practice. This is a very nice variation, not necessarily a wrong method.
Old wkf rules gone, would LOVE to see this being performed on the world stage now :)
...very "Japanese" (not so much Okinawan)
Yeah. He doesn't have any rhythm in his kata and just like a robot mimicking.
I agree on your assessment of tournament judging of kata. They also can overemphasize speed and lots of "Kias".(see any kata performed by team XMA) I've seem kata done slowly by older practitioners(like myself), but the power is evident. Kata should feel relaxed and natural, like breathing. It seems simple enough, but unfortunately tournaments don't judge them that way. What good is speed if there is no power in the application?
well i love how the americans are commenting and criticizing, as a personal learner who had been learning from a very tradition and poor teacher that was well down, in Uechi - Ryu you all thing theres "spirit" and "perfection" in it....YOUR wrong, the point of these katas is different than what you think, its about memorizing how to fight, block, and punch/kick it teaches you how to fight.. That is the way how i learned it after 4-5 years + i live in Okinawa and Im half Asian/American
What are you trying to say?
Absolutely awesome
Nice job! I would love to have this guy as a student. I could do things with his natural speed.
This is a tournament performance. Just like bodybuilding--not so much go, but fantastic show. And for the record, my wife was a competitive bodybuilder. I understand the nuance.
Very cool!
What makes good kat?.I saw power ,speed and timing.His stance was a little wide.I liked it.
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Uechi Nidan
Muchas cosas (como pausas y velocidad) fueron cambiadas para hacerlo ver como un Kata de competencia común, Seisan no es así, me hace sentir como si fuera a vomitar. Mis disculpas.
Many things (like pauses and timing) were changed to make it look like a regular competition kata, Seisan is not like this, this makes me feel like if I were about to throw out. Sorry.
wow!!!!!! terrific!!!!
Very different from the shorin ryu (sukunaihayashi-ryu) version of seisan that we practice.
It was impressive, you can tell how much time he must have dedicated to perfecting his technique but at the same time that is not Uechi-ryu as I know it.
Amazing speed and power!! Thats insane
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awesome speeds
For the most part, Uechi Ryu Kata are done the same throughout. The change in timing makes it almost look like a Goju Kata now. I am disappointed that this is the new age of Okinawan Karate Competition for Uechi Ryu.
Amazing. I'd personally like to see some slower movements in there, but i'm not one to judge because I'm definitely not that fast. Whew.
Of course, I meant Uechi Kanei not "Manei"
IMO I feel that Uechi kata shouldn't be treated like Japanese competitive/tournament kata. Uechi is supposed to be half hard half soft, but in this demonstration here I'm not seeing harmony between the two.
Uechi has a rhythm flow all of it's own. I could see that the competitor may be trying to adapt the kata to more mainstream tournament style... but since it's an "Okinawan" they shouldn't have to imitate the Japanese scene.
But then again maybe this is a branch of Uechi style where this is the norm and has a different application of Uechi-Ryu. Someone let me know! OSS!
I got beat for doing my kata like that. It was considered to lack power.
ahh man... that's not how the Uechi's wanted it to look like
SOOO INSANE. AWESOME SPEEDS. =P
This is the only kata I've seen with 1-2-3 timing that didn't look like shit. On the contrary, it's genius.
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the flow of this kata is off but wow, you gotta respect that speed and power..can you imagine if he did let this kata flow? He'd be done in 10 seconds or less! Though I think his elbows are gonna be feeling that whole "lets lock every time we strike!" thing in a couple years...ouch.
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wow!
Somewhat dramatic...but...all in all...I don't see how anyone can say this was not good. For those of you who are "Offended"...stop being an arrogant ass...Traditionally should it be smoother, less dramatic pauses?...well, yes...Could he Perform it smoothly with less pauses, almost certainly...but like it or not that is not "Tournament" type of way to do the Kata. Don't box yourself in a corner, the guy is good and if you don't like it then get voted to the "Okinawan Karate Championship" Board and propose change OR become a judge...OR shut up and appreciate what this guy can do.
Lol
People irritate me...i guess it just proves I have work to do and let it go...giggle
I don't have a thumbs up button for your comment so I'm just saying I like it I don't teach this way nor was I taught this way I think it's silly but if you can't appreciate the ability that goes into what he's doing then shut your mouth
Ability is definitely there...but...I think the Art is losing it's Art to Drama...it's not the same thing...he is obviously talented...as Funakoshi said..."Kata is not a Dance"
Come on, it's OK if somebody wants to change a kata for winning a competition. He does nice tricks with incredible speed, and deserves all the prasing for such an effort. But the karate competition world is degenerating slowly for gaining adepts while agonizining because of the appearance of MMA and stuff like that. As I said for competition is OK, even if you want to invent a new kata because you think are so awsome, but the essence is lost. Where I live there are regional dances with more effective movements than the ones seen in this video. But yes, he moves fast, it's a good start.
doesn't keep his fingers together or straight and doesn't keep his wrists straight making the double fists.
We were taught to jump back 8
To ten feet. Strange how training is different now. Also quickness isn’t power
This is a poor performance. It is robotic and has no flow. Do a search on Uechi Manei performing the same kata (Seisan) and you will see how the kata should be performed.
It is too bad that the meaning of the kata has been lost by this practitioner.
He had very sharp and strong techniques, but I feel like the rhythm of the kata was off.
a bit of spelling mistakes but im tired right now :P
Still well done 👍. I get laughed at for sticking to forms the kali guys joke with me
I like the kata itself but not the performance. It's not that I don't like the performer, because he's performing the kata the way it must be performed to receive a good score what I don't like is how today's tournaments suck the life out of karate. The tournaments today promote robotic step by step movements and mistake that type of movement for "perfection". People should feel the emotions of the karateka and they should also get a feel of what the kata is about.
There's no crying in baseball and no kia in Uechi-ryu. That's right just water it down and make it like the rest of "Karate" styles. duh
i think like you do... this is not a very good performance, im in dissapoint with the new way to do okinawa karate, its very "sport" (i dont know how to say this) im sad about this
Sanchin thrusts are way too high.
Wow that jump was amazing
Its VERY staccato as well. His speed is so crisp and blinding but his flavor is very bland.
no need to step through the middle backing up. lol
that jump back was awful. One jumps back not up lol
lol first thing he does is step out way too far. lol
OMG this is horrible