I just had made reference to allegory of the cave after reading chapter X for my history of modern art class. I really love to see this video posted your UA-cam teaching is amazing please keep it up!
@@PhiloofAlexandria I greatly appreciate that Mr.B !! 🤠👌 You’re doing the world a huge favor with your videos your enthusiasm towards philosophy is truly inspiring & I’m glad you’re here to share it with us please keep doing what you do !
Brilliant exposition. Only two powers are missing: the intellectus and grace. Dr Bonevac might have gone into the crucial distinction between the intellectus and the ratio, or the nous and dianoia. The intellectus is what he calls the eye of the mind or heart, dormant in most humans but emanating from their spiritual nature of humanity made in the image of God, to use Christian metaphors. It is awakened by the intellect opening itself to Divine grace, which enables it to break the chains of some of the prisoners and turn round to begin to see the truth behind the shadows. Plato is in fact silent about how exactly these break loose and start the conversio,, or who drags them uphill when they feel reluctant to climb out. And Kudos to Bonevac for humbly admitting he does not know how we apprehend the forms, echoing Plato. But we must admit that Plato’s written works are not the whole story of his philosophy, which he practiced as a way of life, a mystical discipline that gave him a direct and experiential enlightenment that is reflected in his written corpus. The Spirit bloweth where it listeth !
Thanks. I agree-there's a gap in the view expressed in the Republic that isn't filled explicitly until Philo, Origen, Augustine, and others develop this in a religious context.
@@PhiloofAlexandria I agree about the gap, but I believe that the Logos that enlightens every man (as per St John’s Gospel) was already working in the Greek philosophical miracle before he fully revealed Himself in the Incarnation. That is why Greek philosophy providentially became the intellectual underpinning of Christian thought and contributed to what we now call Western Civilization. Thanks again for your lectures, they are wonderful and eloquent articulations of the Good.
Would the theory of forms be directly related to how the doctrine of the Logos is perceived? That the Forms are the Logos and the Logos being the mind of God?
reading republic gave a different impression to me, the purpose of this section appears to consolidate the fact that how people will perceive the unknown and will not trust the reality even if they are informed. Anyway, you know better.
I don’t think you’re wrong. What makes Plato great is partly that there are many dimensions of what he’s saying. I’m focusing on one aspect; you’re seeing another.
It might be a good idea to release new videos just before your intended audience gets off work or finished classes for the day. Releasing new videos at night after they've already gone to bed may not be the best time. That said, as a grad student, I'm typically awake around this time :)
the content on this channel is what the earth needs in this hour. Dr. Bonevac needs to be shared far and wide. i'm doing my part.
I wake up every day, and watch one of your videos. Thank you for what you do! Love it
This is the type of content that the world needs!
Loving these lectures, keep them coming!
Thank you Sir really appreciated 🙏
I just had made reference to allegory of the cave after reading chapter X for my history of modern art class. I really love to see this video posted your UA-cam teaching is amazing please keep it up!
This is gold, literally breaking out the popcorn. Plato's man cave lol!
I can listen to you all day! Thank you sir !
When taught this in high school the teacher could not understand a flipping bit of it...and i never went back to look into till now..70 plus years
Thank you professor. I truly enjoyed your presentation of this famous allegory.
I shared this on FB.
Thank you
You're welcome!
Excellent lecture thank you Doc
Thank you so much Dan! Do you have a video on the chariot allegory yet?!
Coming soon!
Actually, at your request, tomorrow!
@@PhiloofAlexandria I greatly appreciate that Mr.B !! 🤠👌 You’re doing the world a huge favor with your videos your enthusiasm towards philosophy is truly inspiring & I’m glad you’re here to share it with us please keep doing what you do !
Ivan definitely see the influence of Plato on Augustine.
Brilliant exposition. Only two powers are missing: the intellectus and grace. Dr Bonevac might have gone into the crucial distinction between the intellectus and the ratio, or the nous and dianoia. The intellectus is what he calls the eye of the mind or heart, dormant in most humans but emanating from their spiritual nature of humanity made in the image of God, to use Christian metaphors. It is awakened by the intellect opening itself to Divine grace, which enables it to break the chains of some of the prisoners and turn round to begin to see the truth behind the shadows. Plato is in fact silent about how exactly these break loose and start the conversio,, or who drags them uphill when they feel reluctant to climb out. And Kudos to Bonevac for humbly admitting he does not know how we apprehend the forms, echoing Plato. But we must admit that Plato’s written works are not the whole story of his philosophy, which he practiced as a way of life, a mystical discipline that gave him a direct and experiential enlightenment that is reflected in his written corpus. The Spirit bloweth where it listeth !
Thanks. I agree-there's a gap in the view expressed in the Republic that isn't filled explicitly until Philo, Origen, Augustine, and others develop this in a religious context.
@@PhiloofAlexandria I agree about the gap, but I believe that the Logos that enlightens every man (as per St John’s Gospel) was already working in the Greek philosophical miracle before he fully revealed Himself in the Incarnation. That is why Greek philosophy providentially became the intellectual underpinning of Christian thought and contributed to what we now call Western Civilization. Thanks again for your lectures, they are wonderful and eloquent articulations of the Good.
Would the theory of forms be directly related to how the doctrine of the Logos is perceived? That the Forms are the Logos and the Logos being the mind of God?
reading republic gave a different impression to me, the purpose of this section appears to consolidate the fact that how people will perceive the unknown and will not trust the reality even if they are informed. Anyway, you know better.
I don’t think you’re wrong. What makes Plato great is partly that there are many dimensions of what he’s saying. I’m focusing on one aspect; you’re seeing another.
God knows best.
It might be a good idea to release new videos just before your intended audience gets off work or finished classes for the day. Releasing new videos at night after they've already gone to bed may not be the best time. That said, as a grad student, I'm typically awake around this time :)
Great explanation and rare Enthusiasm for a philosophy professor!
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