Hi. The explanation for it using more kerosene than diesel is the core temperature. The core temperature on these heaters is about 210 Degrees C. What i mean by that, is whatever heat setting you set the heater to, the core temp will always be about 210 Degrees. This is regulated by the fan speed and the pump pulse rate. The heater core does not run cooler if you turn it down, all that happens is the air flow is less. It needs about 210 degrees for combustion. Therefore, Kerosene was burning slightly cooler than Diesel so it needed to burn slightly more of it to maintain the core at 210 Degrees. You should be able to set your controls to show the core temp by pressing the settings button a few times, you will then see that even if you turn the heater right down the core temp should stay the same at 210 degrees. Only the pump rate and fan speed will change.
@@APatchworkCanvas Not really surprising? You are chasing through the same volume of air but firing with (20%?) less fuel. So a lot more hot gases going out of the exhaust - not a particularly efficient way to burn a fuel.🙂
@@markpennella These heaters are basically ‘parking heaters’ for automobile installation (for cab heating). The are (or should be) set up to burn diesel at peak efficiency (minimum CO with minimum excess combustion air). Most vehicles where the driver sleeps overnight in the cab, or where the vehicle is for other commercial use, are diesel fuelled. These heaters can be plumbed into the vehicle fuel line or diesel tank - hence why/how they are set up to burn diesel. The earlier/better/more expensive controllers are able to be re-programmed to burn kerosene more efficiently (left for burning diesel efficiently, there will be too much excess combustion air - thus losing efficiency by losing more heat via the exhaust for instance - but the newer, cheaper(?) controllers are not (easily) reprogrammed, if at all. Burning kerosene in these examples will mean running with more excess combustion air, which cools the flame temperature (resulting in a lower ‘core’ temperature and exhausting more heat through the exhaust. So a cleaner burn but with lower efficiency (less useful heat produced). A few degrees change in ‘core’ temperature is neither here nor there for the ‘ occasional’ user but would/could be more important to the serious operators that demand maximum efficiency. This is obvious from the reports, from many of the users, who simply say it is a cleaner burn. They are uninformed users.
This is exactly what we are trying to find out. Non of the other vids on this talk about running it on kerosene. Kerosene will make more heat and the unit and glow plug and combustion chamber will run cleaner. Large space heaters run on kero and work yr after yr with no trouble.
The pump works on back pressure not timed pulses this allows for turning the heat down from 6 to 1 setting which would burn less fuel for the run time. Heating oil is slightly thinner than diesel fuel and has a lower calorific value than that of diesel. I purchased 1500 litres of heating oil last summer at 23 pence per litre, current price is about 30 pence. Good info.
The energy density of diesel is greater than that of kerosene. So in a system that regulates the fuel intake, based on say a constant energy output, you should burn more kerosene to get the same amount of energy.
Yes that's why my home central heating boiler is a kerosene boiler and it doesn't burn diesel 🛢 it would cost me four times the price we use the cheapest form of fuel ⛽
@@BS-ql5nl how does this work if the pump is set up to pump the same amount of fuel no matter what fuel you put in it? doesnt it depend upon pump size and pump flow?
If any oil such as waste engine oil or brake fluid is burned how do we know which burns hoter the answer is the one that is cheapest because it is free or cheaper to burn than diesel and having tried these fuels diesel is the most expensive and kero at half or lower burns clean and hot.
Thanks for the video. I would recommend using Class 2 kerosene as the higher sulfur contents acts as a lubricant or class1 in a 50/50 mix with diesel as recommend by wobasto for winter uses
Kerosene is to expensive in the us I don't know were you live but for me diesel work great I only keep the heater temperature to about 65 degree frequency of 2
Remember if you use Kerosene over diesel to add a little oil (or do an 80/20 kerosene/diesel mix. It lubricates the pump and caps your burner temp as kerosene has a hotter core heat. The thinner the viscosity, the easier it passes through the nozzle so runs hotter. Mixing it with oil or diesel will keep that in check. Heater will run fine on Kerosene. I have household heating oil (kerosene)for my boiler and I just rob it from the big tank and add a little 2 stroke lawnmower oil (90/10). If mixing with diesel do 80/20. Still works out a lot cheaper and you will prolong the life of your burner and nozzle/pump
I put 10 litres of tesco diesel through my heater and it ran very very rough towards the end of the 10 litres. Very smokey on start up and would go out as fan ramped up. Just got 40 litres of kerosene and it burns so much better than the diesel. No smoke and smell has reduced
It's a much clearer fuel ... I drove from Chesterfield to St Ives Cornwall on BP I filled up in St Ives with tesco and I was in limp mode all the way home tesco is sh!t fuel
@@CARTALKUK so true. I use shell for when I go to Scotland if I used Tesco I would be flat out at Max 14mph. This is not a guess. I actually did this 4 years ago never would I buy any big food store fuel I have been use shell since that happened to me in my 6 berth MotorHome.
Here in the US off rd diesel is the red one have no tax is cheaper kerosene will burn faster because flame rate is higher and the price here is also hig and yes 3 hr liter is all you get but is about the same is propane and is safer I get 67 hr constantly running with 5 gallons of Diesel I have the 5 kw heater we like it
Diesel is 15% more expensive, consumption of Kerosene is 5% greater overall saving on Kerosene is 10%, not taking in account it runs 5c hotter, so you could run Kerosene on a lower settings, I think that makes sense or am I wrong
Where does everyone find Kerosene so cheap?!?!! I live in the fens, In cambridgeshire... and its basically £2 per litre!!!! Its literally cheaper to buy diesel at the pump. 😂
Because the kerosene is a thinner oil it moves through the pump and burner nozzle more easily and so you will use more in the time, probably why you have more heat too as there's more volume of oil being burned at any one time , just my opinion
Sorry, but your opinion is misleading to others similarly not ‘in the know’ about these heaters. The pump passes a fixed volume per stroke, so approx the same amount of either, pumped in over a period of time like this. Actually there is less heat available from kero than diesel. The ‘nozzle‘ is basically an open ended pipe. Jos Touw and Yoda B do know about these heaters, so follow their comments.😊
I use untaxed red diesel for farm vehicles here in the US. I buy in town at the local AGO gas station and it is going for about $2.20 to $2.50 a gallon as of January 19 2020. It's what I have been using in my chinese diesel heater. It has been running flawlessly this winter so far. I cleaned the heater last summer after running it all last winter also. In the US diesel is cheaper than K1 Kerosene. I think kerosene is going for I believe about $4 a gallon or so definitely not cheaper than untaxed diesel.
Just bought one and wanted to know if there are any long-term problems with colored dyed red diesel fuel, especially running dirtier for the glow plug? Any problems? Thanks
A bit unscientific it seems. Putting the thing on a scale would be better than marking it with a fat line. Kerosine runs cleaner, less dangerous than diesel, so, I am going to use kerosine.
Ueah it's bloody expensive, even with crude oil been at a very low price for the past couple of years. Personally I think that they are milking it while they can, until the country goes all electric, then watch the prices climb
Which ever is cheaper will be the better choice as there isn't much difference in BTU/litre (Energy per litre) and you won't notice the small difference, you will need a more accurate testing method to notice it altho kerosene is supposed to burn hotter.. The difference will be so small you won't even notice the difference..
Interesting. How about using both the exhaust and ht air to warm water instead of an electric geyser or alt least use as a pre-heater for water going into an electric geyser. This will be about 1 hour running(500ml), which can amount to 15 litres a month which can be offset against running the geyser full (i.e. warming water from as low as 3 degrees to 65 degrees max. Just thinking and would like your thinking on this
I watched another video testing the two fuels. His experience was you have to use lower grade kerosene or your heater fuel pump dies in a few days. The diesel and low grade kerosene lubricates the fuel piston. High grade Kerosene like you use in a lantern will destroy the fuel pump after a few days because of no lube. These are not diesel heaters, they are more oil heaters.
i've been using my diesel heater on kerosene for years and never had any problem with the pump. kerosene also burns cleaner and you don't have to clean the heater very often.
@@3dmixer552 what grade kerosene do you use? I personally haven't used it. Dont know much except there are two grades. I have only used diesel. Do you use it because it is cleaner? I am just trying to learn. Most people don't know you can burn both. I didn't until recently.
Kerosene will not lubricate the pump so you're pump may burn out prematuely is all. If kerosene is cheaper and works for you than by all means go ahead and burn it or maybe mix it half and half with diesel so your pump will be lubed a bit?
That was worth doing and answers my question about fuel usage. I was wondering about the viscosity of each fuel? Still, I would be happy to use either one now thank you. There is one question if you don’t mind. If I buy one of those units and use it during the winter months, should I service or strip it down each summer? 6 months use and 6 months switched off? Good video for sure!
You really don’t need to do much for summer storage. My Webasto unit does say to run once a month for 10 minutes or so during the summers months, but I think that’s more to keep fresh fuel in the lines and blow out any dust or dirt buildup on the fan. If you drain all the fuel out, I’d imagine it would be fine to store it for the summer
@@natebell5026 That's great thank you Nate. I was talking to my wife about these heaters and she asked me if we could use Linseed oil in the heater as I had quite a lot of it in the shed. I did ask another UA-camr if it was worth trying and he said that he thought it might be similar to vegie oil. I wonder if you have seen this at all? Thank you for responding Nate.
@@gordonmitchell729 look up a UA-cam video on how to make biodiesel you may be able to use that seed well as the vegetable oil ingredient you never know
@@avenger2.099 will do thank you. There are some scary outcomes with some of the heaters that the guys are burning different oils on. I'm learning a lot and enjoying it lol.
@@gordonmitchell729 I wouldnt put linseed oil in a diesel heater, Ive seen the damage it did to a motorbike once it gummed everything up. that stuff is for treating knots in wood not for fuel.
at current prices at this moment in the netherlands petroleum is € 2.159 per liter so would be 0.71 euro cent per hour diesel is € 1.978 per liter so would be 0.65 euro cent per hour natural gas is € 3,140 per m3 average use 3,39 m3 gas per day is 0.48 euro cent per hour average (for heating the whole house) this includes the price for having gas delivered to the house (the hookup) €275 per year 0.04 cents per hour running the clean type petroleum meant for the radiating heat stoves with one litre every 3 hours with the current price for a 20 litre yerrycan at the local diy store would come down to 1.10 euro an hour depending on how often you need to heat up the house a year and if youre cooking and using a gasboiler to heat water gas is still the cheapest fuel to heat
If you can buy 500lt (I put mine in 3 45gallon drums) you get it delivered via tanker. "Boiler Juice" can deliver that at 33p/lt plus VAT, vat is at 5%. Cheap as chips.
PS..... You can put kerosene in with deisel in tractors during the winter to stop it freezing, but always at much smaller percentages. Otherwise they can get too hot, also kerosene doesn't have the same lubrication qualities and can seize pumps. Much safer to use deisel in the long run.
The pump in my heater has never give any trouble burning kerosene in the last lot of years so always thought if it did pack in I'd get one for a tenner on ebay so far so good and if you get your bulk kero delivered get a cube caged 1000 ltr tank they're cheap second hand.But kerosene is the way to go with these heaters at home or workshop just overhaul the carbon brushes and the crappy Chinese bearings in fan motor thats another story
Can anyone actually say their pump has packed in using kerosene my oil fired central heating boiler burns same oil and the pump in it lubricates runs ok so all this scare mongers tell me they're wong kero is oil parifin oil
Fair point with regard to the magnetic pump, but its definitely true with fuel pumps on tractors with roller pumps. My main concern was the hotter burn and heater lifespan, if red deisel is cheap and the heater was built for it, that's all I meant.
Yes again if you look at the make up of these heaters you'll see a heat sensor on the hottest part of the casting that tells if overheating is happening so puts a fault code up and shuts down heater and can happen if fan is faulty not spinning at correct speed to fuel input so they really can't burn hot on kero or diesel think about that.
I live in northern Canada, I uses a 1:1 ratio of kerosene and diesel in the winter, as the diesel will start to gel at -40. Propane does the same thing.
if he ran it for another 15 mins you wouldn't even see the difference in height level The only way to do it that way is a pint of fuel until it runs out ...period
It runs best. On diesel. And 1 gallon a day. And you want to save 33 more cents by working harder. Just use the thing and be happy. Lol. My cousin would drive across town to save 13 cents a gallon. But only get. 13 gallons. Lol. Time money . Energy. It’s the economy stupid. Lolz
Currently using kerosene in a 5kw Chinese diesel heater for about 20 hours and no problems. Going to go back to red diesel just in case. When you take into account the usage and the actual savings it's worth changing back for peace of mind not having the hassle of it dying in the cold and having to replace the fuel pump. Imho.
Some people have used kero for years in a chineese diesel heater with no problems, it all comes down to the cost ppl for me as it can get bloody expensive..
Kerosene is a thinner fuel so maybe it was able to pump more fuel because of that. And you need a smaller nozzle or a lower cc rate for the same time and heat?
You guys are lucky, I"m in the US and just got 2 gallons of 1-K and cost us $24, not sure what that translates to, but sure seems the US is tearing holes into our wallets for Kerosene since 2 gallons of Diesel here is about $7-8 US. Reason I got the kerosene is for a cleaning agent, heater been fluttering alot lately and experimenting to see if the Kerosene will help fix the problem.
@@CARTALKUK yep but they still get cheaper diesel than we do and still complain about it.😂 we pay £6.93 for a gallon our gallons are 4.5 litres they would be paying $8.81 dollars a gallon but they get less because they dont use imperial gallons, I think its about 3.785 litres a gallon in the US.
Currently in the USA midwest, at the fuel station pump, red diesel is about $1.30/gallon (£0.26/litre). Road diesel is about $2/gallon (£0.40/litre). Kerosene is about $3.50/gallon (£0.70/litre). Obviously, red diesel is fuel of choice here. Is kerosene still common for heating in the UK?
Hi. Im in Durham and been to a few garages but they will not sell me either red diesel or kerosene for my heater :( Just wondering where you get yours please
Kerosene is called paraffin in the UK. It used to be cheap when I had a Saturday job in a garage half a century ago, but I haven't seen it on sale for many years. Where do you buy it?
In Germany also cheap "Red" Diesel availabile, but it would be very... VERY expensive if you put it in a Vehicle and get cached from The Police... They also have Chemical test for fuelk, so they can detect fre drops of the cheap stuff in your tank. For a Heater it would work fine, but i stiol use Expensive Diesel, Becaus it Is Much cleaner and Better quality, in Winter time is is Prepared to burn even at - 15°C or Lower
if the Rozzers catch you here in the UK you can get your car crushed. have you never filterted it through dryed peat to get the red colour out? one of my neighbours used to years ago. saved him a packet on his campervan hols.
Here is my question. Would the injector or atomizer in the combustion chamber have anything to do with how these two different fuels burn?. Diesel is Oil as for kerosene is more of a solvent. I've seen these heaters torn apart many times but I havn't seen anyone talk about the fuel atomizers, or if there are different ones that can be installed in these heaters for using different fuels.
You might find the heater would work more efficient if it was adjusted to run on kerosene. As supplied, it's set up to use diesel, so the jet and feed pressure will be optimised for the viscosity and calorific value of diesel. It might need a change of jet and adjustment of pump pressure to get it to work optimally on kerosene. Usually, an oil heating engineer will adjust the pressure whilst monitoring the CO in the flue gas to get best efficiency and cleanest burn.
@@125brat it burns around the glowing mesh preheated by the glow plug fuel is fed to the mesh and mixed with air blown through it the resulting flame keeps the mesh glowing hot and the flame burning a temp sensor regulates the pump rate to prevent flame out.And diesel burns with heat or wick.
It does run my central heating boiler at home and has a pressure pump attached to the fan although it's 25 years old now but parafin oil lubricate s it the same way as my parking heater with no bother for the last 3 years it's the middle of the winter now and runs 24/7.
Aztec oil in bolsover as it just down the road from me where are you located as I may be able to point you in the right direction if you need to buy some
Viscosity is your reason for more consumption with the kerosene the kerosene the lighter fuel therefore the pump actually pumps more volume per pulse of kerosene than the diesel however this does say something that if you're going to be running it pretty much unload to medium more than high you're better off running kerosene that way you don't have as much filled up in the burn chamber but also if you're going to be running it at the high setting more often I would say run the diesel because at the high sending it might be too high of a temperature for the burn chamber overall long life blah blah blah blah I'm telling you this from experience
Im wondering the same thing mate.... Im in cambridgeshire fens.. and its currently £2 per litre for Kerosene!!!! Literally cheaper by 50p per litre, to just get normal diesel 😂
So the UK government has just today imposed a minimum buy on kerosene for home heating. You now must buy 300 liters minimum on a single purchase. So kerosene is now out of the picture for most people.😭
I don't know why your kerosene is so expenive I pay 40 pence at the pump or 300ltr delivered for £90.00 and kerosene is jet fuel and because jets aren't flying at the moment it is very cheap.I have never burned diesel in my heater but I would guess its just the same without the additives and my heater is a few years old and have no soot problems.
@@CARTALKUK Just look at oil prices in Ireland and I live in north it was as low 25 pence a ltr but gone up slightly and a 1200 ltr tank in the back garden for oil fired central heating and my diesel heater so 20ltrs drum run this for a week £6.00 beat that?
My reply would say that that in the last 12 months is that C2 is super cheap. Just not constant. Overall, would you let a first timer bray away using fuel that's not advised? I know c1 & c2 are different in refined. One can be used in an oil lamp (in the house), not the other.
@@CARTALKUK Boiler Juice operates nationwide. Minimum 500lt quotes. They use local operatives working via them. 205lt drums at the ready and you'll buy very cheap. Heating oil classified as deisel oil is currently 33p + vat (5%). Red deisel. Send a private so I can tell you properly
Bought a heater £1.30 a litre. Greedy government. But they need extra taxes to keep the illegals nice and warm in our hotels
Watching 2022 and wishing the those fuel prices 🤣. Nice upload
Watching in 2023 you ain't seen nothing yet...stay warm
Hi. The explanation for it using more kerosene than diesel is the core temperature. The core temperature on these heaters is about 210 Degrees C. What i mean by that, is whatever heat setting you set the heater to, the core temp will always be about 210 Degrees. This is regulated by the fan speed and the pump pulse rate. The heater core does not run cooler if you turn it down, all that happens is the air flow is less. It needs about 210 degrees for combustion. Therefore, Kerosene was burning slightly cooler than Diesel so it needed to burn slightly more of it to maintain the core at 210 Degrees. You should be able to set your controls to show the core temp by pressing the settings button a few times, you will then see that even if you turn the heater right down the core temp should stay the same at 210 degrees. Only the pump rate and fan speed will change.
I have two of these and they both change the core temp for h1-h6 settings and also if you put it on alpine mode it will burn 30 degrees cooler.
@@APatchworkCanvas Not really surprising? You are chasing through the same volume of air but firing with (20%?) less fuel. So a lot more hot gases going out of the exhaust - not a particularly efficient way to burn a fuel.🙂
@@oliver90owner I run mine wide open. I was just saying the op is wrong that the core temp does not change on these units.
Excellent explanation. So what fuel do you use?
@@markpennella These heaters are basically ‘parking heaters’ for automobile installation (for cab heating). The are (or should be) set up to burn diesel at peak efficiency (minimum CO with minimum excess combustion air). Most vehicles where the driver sleeps overnight in the cab, or where the vehicle is for other commercial use, are diesel fuelled. These heaters can be plumbed into the vehicle fuel line or diesel tank - hence why/how they are set up to burn diesel.
The earlier/better/more expensive controllers are able to be re-programmed to burn kerosene more efficiently (left for burning diesel efficiently, there will be too much excess combustion air - thus losing efficiency by losing more heat via the exhaust for instance - but the newer, cheaper(?) controllers are not (easily) reprogrammed, if at all. Burning kerosene in these examples will mean running with more excess combustion air, which cools the flame temperature (resulting in a lower ‘core’ temperature and exhausting more heat through the exhaust. So a cleaner burn but with lower efficiency (less useful heat produced). A few degrees change in ‘core’ temperature is neither here nor there for the ‘ occasional’ user but would/could be more important to the serious operators that demand maximum efficiency. This is obvious from the reports, from many of the users, who simply say it is a cleaner burn. They are uninformed users.
This is exactly what we are trying to find out.
Non of the other vids on this talk about running it on kerosene.
Kerosene will make more heat and the unit and glow plug and combustion chamber will run cleaner.
Large space heaters run on kero and work yr after yr with no trouble.
watch this guy hes having sucess on kerosene: ua-cam.com/video/QMnBq_DDpWY/v-deo.html
The pump works on back pressure not timed pulses this allows for turning the heat down from 6 to 1 setting which would burn less fuel for the run time. Heating oil is slightly thinner than diesel fuel and has a lower calorific value than that of diesel. I purchased 1500 litres of heating oil last summer at 23 pence per litre, current price is about 30 pence. Good info.
ok that makes sense then 👍
The energy density of diesel is greater than that of kerosene. So in a system that regulates the fuel intake, based on say a constant energy output, you should burn more kerosene to get the same amount of energy.
Yes that's why my home central heating boiler is a kerosene boiler and it doesn't burn diesel 🛢 it would cost me four times the price we use the cheapest form of fuel ⛽
I'm guess the corporations already have the caloric values figured and all are priced based on their caloric value??
@@BS-ql5nl how does this work if the pump is set up to pump the same amount of fuel no matter what fuel you put in it? doesnt it depend upon pump size and pump flow?
If any oil such as waste engine oil or brake fluid is burned how do we know which burns hoter the answer is the one that is cheapest because it is free or cheaper to burn than diesel and having tried these fuels diesel is the most expensive and kero at half or lower burns clean and hot.
from Kentucky USA nice video
Would love to visit America one day 🇺🇸
Thanks for the video.
I would recommend using Class 2 kerosene as the higher sulfur contents acts as a lubricant or class1 in a 50/50 mix with diesel as recommend by wobasto for winter uses
Kerosene is to expensive in the us I don't know were you live but for me diesel work great I only keep the heater temperature to about 65 degree frequency of 2
We are in the uk and diesel isn't cheap unfortunately 😕
makes sense the 50/50
@@CARTALKUK Kero is cheaper though £1.00 per litre currently
Remember if you use Kerosene over diesel to add a little oil (or do an 80/20 kerosene/diesel mix. It lubricates the pump and caps your burner temp as kerosene has a hotter core heat. The thinner the viscosity, the easier it passes through the nozzle so runs hotter. Mixing it with oil or diesel will keep that in check. Heater will run fine on Kerosene. I have household heating oil (kerosene)for my boiler and I just rob it from the big tank and add a little 2 stroke lawnmower oil (90/10). If mixing with diesel do 80/20. Still works out a lot cheaper and you will prolong the life of your burner and nozzle/pump
I put 10 litres of tesco diesel through my heater and it ran very very rough towards the end of the 10 litres. Very smokey on start up and would go out as fan ramped up. Just got 40 litres of kerosene and it burns so much better than the diesel. No smoke and smell has reduced
It's a much clearer fuel ... I drove from Chesterfield to St Ives Cornwall on BP I filled up in St Ives with tesco and I was in limp mode all the way home tesco is sh!t fuel
@@CARTALKUK so true. I use shell for when I go to Scotland if I used Tesco I would be flat out at Max 14mph. This is not a guess. I actually did this 4 years ago never would I buy any big food store fuel I have been use shell since that happened to me in my 6 berth MotorHome.
Great experiment and video, thanks 👌
Here in the US off rd diesel is the red one have no tax is cheaper kerosene will burn faster because flame rate is higher and the price here is also hig and yes 3 hr liter is all you get but is about the same is propane and is safer I get 67 hr constantly running with 5 gallons of Diesel I have the 5 kw heater we like it
The fuel use will be the same as each injection of that fuel pump is 0.022ml. The heat out might be different though
Kerosene doesn't burn as hot as diesel, your right, there is a difference in BTU's
Kerosene doesn't burn as hot as diesel, your right, there is a difference in BTU's
Diesel is 15% more expensive, consumption of Kerosene is 5% greater overall saving on Kerosene is 10%, not taking in account it runs 5c hotter, so you could run Kerosene on a lower settings, I think that makes sense or am I wrong
It's definitely a cleaner fuel aswell
ive just being looking for some kerosene and the cheapest i could find was £38. for 20L or £35.60 for 20L diesel from the pump :(
Where does everyone find Kerosene so cheap?!?!!
I live in the fens, In cambridgeshire... and its basically £2 per litre!!!!
Its literally cheaper to buy diesel at the pump. 😂
Set the heater to the lowest setting 0.8mg.
I run my heater all night when it's cold, loads of heat and costs around £1 per night 😁
Very informative, thanks for sharing.
Because the kerosene is a thinner oil it moves through the pump and burner nozzle more easily and so you will use more in the time, probably why you have more heat too as there's more volume of oil being burned at any one time , just my opinion
Kero has a longer burn time, it's measured in seconds, off the top of head diesel is 28s and kero is 34s
The oil gets dribbled over the heater mesh not sprayed.
@@jostouw4366you're right..... so much misinformation around the comments section!
@@brumarly Wrong. Kerosene (central heating oil in the UK) has a viscosity of 28s Redwood.
Sorry, but your opinion is misleading to others similarly not ‘in the know’ about these heaters. The pump passes a fixed volume per stroke, so approx the same amount of either, pumped in over a period of time like this. Actually there is less heat available from kero than diesel. The ‘nozzle‘ is basically an open ended pipe. Jos Touw and Yoda B do know about these heaters, so follow their comments.😊
I use untaxed red diesel for farm vehicles here in the US. I buy in town at the local AGO gas station and it is going for about $2.20 to $2.50 a gallon as of January 19 2020. It's what I have been using in my chinese diesel heater. It has been running flawlessly this winter so far. I cleaned the heater last summer after running it all last winter also. In the US diesel is cheaper than K1 Kerosene. I think kerosene is going for I believe about $4 a gallon or so definitely not cheaper than untaxed diesel.
In the uk where I am its cheaper than red diesel
Just bought one and wanted to know if there are any long-term problems with colored dyed red diesel fuel, especially running dirtier for the glow plug? Any problems? Thanks
A bit unscientific it seems.
Putting the thing on a scale would be better than marking it with a fat line.
Kerosine runs cleaner, less dangerous than diesel, so, I am going to use kerosine.
You should mix them together:-) thanks for the upload
Diesel round my way is £1.40 😭 anyway brilliant video 👍
Ueah it's bloody expensive, even with crude oil been at a very low price for the past couple of years.
Personally I think that they are milking it while they can, until the country goes all electric, then watch the prices climb
A year later and we're at £1.76 at my local garage.
Which ever is cheaper will be the better choice as there isn't much difference in BTU/litre (Energy per litre) and you won't notice the small difference, you will need a more accurate testing method to notice it altho kerosene is supposed to burn hotter..
The difference will be so small you won't even notice the difference..
Why did you connect the two hoses on the kerosene part off the test?
Interesting. How about using both the exhaust and ht air to warm water instead of an electric geyser or alt least use as a pre-heater for water going into an electric geyser. This will be about 1 hour running(500ml), which can amount to 15 litres a month which can be offset against running the geyser full (i.e. warming water from as low as 3 degrees to 65 degrees max. Just thinking and would like your thinking on this
I watched another video testing the two fuels. His experience was you have to use lower grade kerosene or your heater fuel pump dies in a few days. The diesel and low grade kerosene lubricates the fuel piston. High grade Kerosene like you use in a lantern will destroy the fuel pump after a few days because of no lube. These are not diesel heaters, they are more oil heaters.
i've been using my diesel heater on kerosene for years and never had any problem with the pump. kerosene also burns cleaner and you don't have to clean the heater very often.
@@3dmixer552 what grade kerosene do you use? I personally haven't used it. Dont know much except there are two grades. I have only used diesel. Do you use it because it is cleaner? I am just trying to learn. Most people don't know you can burn both. I didn't until recently.
@@Irideonandon it's also called 28 sec oil. The red diesel is 35 sec
@@Irideonandon I uset because it's cleaner and nearly third price of the normal diesel
I saw this comment and left it a year ... and after a year it still works perfectly fine
I wish you could still get Red Diesel here in the UK.
Kerosene will not lubricate the pump so you're pump may burn out prematuely is all. If kerosene is cheaper and works for you than by all means go ahead and burn it or maybe mix it half and half with diesel so your pump will be lubed a bit?
I would use kero for startup and shutdown, and filtered, used veg oil as main fuel.
That was worth doing and answers my question about fuel usage. I was wondering about the viscosity of each fuel? Still, I would be happy to use either one now thank you. There is one question if you don’t mind. If I buy one of those units and use it during the winter months, should I service or strip it down each summer? 6 months use and 6 months switched off? Good video for sure!
You really don’t need to do much for summer storage. My Webasto unit does say to run once a month for 10 minutes or so during the summers months, but I think that’s more to keep fresh fuel in the lines and blow out any dust or dirt buildup on the fan. If you drain all the fuel out, I’d imagine it would be fine to store it for the summer
@@natebell5026 That's great thank you Nate. I was talking to my wife about these heaters and she asked me if we could use Linseed oil in the heater as I had quite a lot of it in the shed. I did ask another UA-camr if it was worth trying and he said that he thought it might be similar to vegie oil. I wonder if you have seen this at all? Thank you for responding Nate.
@@gordonmitchell729 look up a UA-cam video on how to make biodiesel you may be able to use that seed well as the vegetable oil ingredient you never know
@@avenger2.099 will do thank you. There are some scary outcomes with some of the heaters that the guys are burning different oils on. I'm learning a lot and enjoying it lol.
@@gordonmitchell729 I wouldnt put linseed oil in a diesel heater, Ive seen the damage it did to a motorbike once it gummed everything up. that stuff is for treating knots in wood not for fuel.
meanwhile in australia kerosene is expensive actually everything is expensive especially if its against the soymilk greens.
at current prices at this moment in the netherlands
petroleum is € 2.159 per liter so would be 0.71 euro cent per hour
diesel is € 1.978 per liter so would be 0.65 euro cent per hour
natural gas is € 3,140 per m3 average use 3,39 m3 gas per day is 0.48 euro cent per hour average (for heating the whole house)
this includes the price for having gas delivered to the house (the hookup) €275 per year 0.04 cents per hour
running the clean type petroleum meant for the radiating heat stoves with one litre every 3 hours with the current price for a 20 litre yerrycan at the local diy store would come down to 1.10 euro an hour
depending on how often you need to heat up the house a year and if youre cooking and using a gasboiler to heat water gas is still the cheapest fuel to heat
If you can buy 500lt (I put mine in 3 45gallon drums) you get it delivered via tanker.
"Boiler Juice" can deliver that at 33p/lt plus VAT, vat is at 5%.
Cheap as chips.
PS.....
You can put kerosene in with deisel in tractors during the winter to stop it freezing, but always at much smaller percentages. Otherwise they can get too hot, also kerosene doesn't have the same lubrication qualities and can seize pumps.
Much safer to use deisel in the long run.
The pump in my heater has never give any trouble burning kerosene in the last lot of years so always thought if it did pack in I'd get one for a tenner on ebay so far so good and if you get your bulk kero delivered get a cube caged 1000 ltr tank they're cheap second hand.But kerosene is the way to go with these heaters at home or workshop just overhaul the carbon brushes and the crappy Chinese bearings in fan motor thats another story
Can anyone actually say their pump has packed in using kerosene my oil fired central heating boiler burns same oil and the pump in it lubricates runs ok so all this scare mongers tell me they're wong kero is oil parifin oil
Fair point with regard to the magnetic pump, but its definitely true with fuel pumps on tractors with roller pumps.
My main concern was the hotter burn and heater lifespan, if red deisel is cheap and the heater was built for it, that's all I meant.
Yes again if you look at the make up of these heaters you'll see a heat sensor on the hottest part of the casting that tells if overheating is happening so puts a fault code up and shuts down heater and can happen if fan is faulty not spinning at correct speed to fuel input so they really can't burn hot on kero or diesel think about that.
Hi,
Where did you buy your heater?
My heater it looks absolutely the same,but spend much more diesel...
Thank you
The viscosity is different , maybe that affected the pump frequency?
I live in northern Canada, I uses a 1:1 ratio of kerosene and diesel in the winter, as the diesel will start to gel at -40. Propane does the same thing.
It can't use more Kerosene than diesel. every pulse is 0.022ml/s so if it was runnig at the same pulse rate it should be the same
if he ran it for another 15 mins you wouldn't even see the difference in height level The only way to do it that way is a pint of fuel until it runs out ...period
I agree with you. Marking the tank is not very accurate.
@@JohnSmith-fe7nf He's not a scientist!
Just my opinion kerosene is lighter fuel burns faster and hotter.? As it thinner than diesel. Hence burns more quickly.?
have a go with jet fuel, it is cheaper, used it in a kerro 8 wick stove, it gets a bit hot , but works
As of right now kerosene at my Walmart for 1 quart is 6$ so basically 24$ a gallon and diesel is 5.50 a gallon
It runs best. On diesel. And 1 gallon a day. And you want to save 33 more cents by working harder. Just use the thing and be happy. Lol. My cousin would drive across town to save 13 cents a gallon. But only get. 13 gallons. Lol. Time money . Energy. It’s the economy stupid. Lolz
Love the test , but dont use this to heat your house . Wood is much safer . :P
It's just for the garage ... we use gas and electricity for the house 🏠
Currently using kerosene in a 5kw Chinese diesel heater for about 20 hours and no problems. Going to go back to red diesel just in case. When you take into account the usage and the actual savings it's worth changing back for peace of mind not having the hassle of it dying in the cold and having to replace the fuel pump. Imho.
User kero with a little 2 stroke oil to grease the pump.
All the time I have used it and I working fine with no oil
Some people have used kero for years in a chineese diesel heater with no problems, it all comes down to the cost ppl for me as it can get bloody expensive..
@@evelbsstudio good to know thanks 😊
right now in US kero is 4.50/gal lowest and diesl is 5.80/gal in most places.
Kerosene is a thinner fuel so maybe it was able to pump more fuel because of that. And you need a smaller nozzle or a lower cc rate for the same time and heat?
I believe viscosity of fuel is definitely responsible alone. Add engine oil, less burn, add petrol, more burn.
Where do you buy Kerosene from?
Where can I buy red diesel to power my diesel heater?
Kerosene is thinner I think so the pump could pump it faster the amp use rate would be good info to know
You guys are lucky, I"m in the US and just got 2 gallons of 1-K and cost us $24, not sure what that translates to, but sure seems the US is tearing holes into our wallets for Kerosene since 2 gallons of Diesel here is about $7-8 US. Reason I got the kerosene is for a cleaning agent, heater been fluttering alot lately and experimenting to see if the Kerosene will help fix the problem.
I don't want to bring politics in to this channel but I have been seeing you guys have higher fuel bills
Same in Canada, Kerosene is approximately twice the price of diesel. Kero is about $3.50/ltr compared to $1.60/ltr for diesel.
@@CARTALKUK yep but they still get cheaper diesel than we do and still complain about it.😂 we pay £6.93 for a gallon our gallons are 4.5 litres they would be paying $8.81 dollars a gallon but they get less because they dont use imperial gallons, I think its about 3.785 litres a gallon in the US.
Where would you buy kerosene ?
down south, red diesel near me is currently £1.60 :(
Yeah in America we have red diesel they make it off road use only
Same for the UK which is why if you put it in your car it gets crushed if caught
If you use kero should you use a lube additive? 200ml treats 5000 litres at £15 for the 200ml. Peanuts cost.
The fuel pump is metal on metal which relies on diesel oil as lubricant, so prolonged use could possibly cause wear.
Currently in the USA midwest, at the fuel station pump, red diesel is about $1.30/gallon (£0.26/litre). Road diesel is about $2/gallon (£0.40/litre). Kerosene is about $3.50/gallon (£0.70/litre).
Obviously, red diesel is fuel of choice here. Is kerosene still common for heating in the UK?
Its a mix some people find it easy to get diesel some find kerosene easy to get
Hi. Im in Durham and been to a few garages but they will not sell me either red diesel or kerosene for my heater :( Just wondering where you get yours please
Go to simspons fuels Copley you can buy it off the pump, red and Kero.
Use kerosene with dipetane and it lasts far longer
Yeah around 500ML per hour :)
Kerosene is called paraffin in the UK. It used to be cheap when I had a Saturday job in a garage half a century ago, but I haven't seen it on sale for many years. Where do you buy it?
In the UK you Oder it online either eBay or Amazon “ not as cheep as it used to be”
Paraffin is not Kerosine it burns cleaner!
@@jostouw4366 paraffin is more refined and has a less offensive smell when burned, but otherwise they are very similar.
I'm a oil boiler technician, kerosene in the UK is still kerosene. Not the same as paraffin.
In Germany also cheap "Red" Diesel availabile, but it would be very... VERY expensive if you put it in a Vehicle and get cached from The Police... They also have Chemical test for fuelk, so they can detect fre drops of the cheap stuff in your tank.
For a Heater it would work fine, but i stiol use Expensive Diesel, Becaus it Is Much cleaner and Better quality, in Winter time is is Prepared to burn even at - 15°C or Lower
if the Rozzers catch you here in the UK you can get your car crushed. have you never filterted it through dryed peat to get the red colour out? one of my neighbours used to years ago. saved him a packet on his campervan hols.
Straight Kero will kill the pumps that come with these.
Mines still working fine 🙂 over a year running
Can you use in these paraffin heaters ?
Use kerosene in a paraffin heater?
80p per litre, those were the days. Now £1.40 and rising, happy days.
Where i live, In the fens.... Kerosene Is £2 per litre!!!!
Literally cheaper just to get diesel from garage, at £1.56 a litre.. 😂
Here is my question. Would the injector or atomizer in the combustion chamber have anything to do with how these two different fuels burn?. Diesel is Oil as for kerosene is more of a solvent. I've seen these heaters torn apart many times but I havn't seen anyone talk about the fuel atomizers, or if there are different ones that can be installed in these heaters for using different fuels.
That sounds like you can mix the diesel and the kero half and half.
You might find the heater would work more efficient if it was adjusted to run on kerosene. As supplied, it's set up to use diesel, so the jet and feed pressure will be optimised for the viscosity and calorific value of diesel. It might need a change of jet and adjustment of pump pressure to get it to work optimally on kerosene. Usually, an oil heating engineer will adjust the pressure whilst monitoring the CO in the flue gas to get best efficiency and cleanest burn.
@@125brat The oil gets dribbled over the heater mesh not sprayed.
@@jostouw4366 Ok, I didn't think diesel would burn unless it was atomised? That seems a curious way of burning it.
@@125brat it burns around the glowing mesh preheated by the glow plug fuel is fed to the mesh and mixed with air blown through it the resulting flame keeps the mesh glowing hot and the flame burning a temp sensor regulates the pump rate to prevent flame out.And diesel burns with heat or wick.
karosene is supposed to burn hotter than white diesel according to my mechanic
Kerosene is a dry burning fuel, that is why they use it in jet engines with additives. Did I say additives.
It does run my central heating boiler at home and has a pressure pump attached to the fan although it's 25 years old now but parafin oil lubricate s it the same way as my parking heater with no bother for the last 3 years it's the middle of the winter now and runs 24/7.
Where do you buy kerosene?
Aztec oil in bolsover as it just down the road from me where are you located as I may be able to point you in the right direction if you need to buy some
@@CARTALKUK North London area? Great video. Very informative with the statistics. Diesel now at £1.80 down the road 🤣
Viscosity is your reason for more consumption with the kerosene the kerosene the lighter fuel therefore the pump actually pumps more volume per pulse of kerosene than the diesel however this does say something that if you're going to be running it pretty much unload to medium more than high you're better off running kerosene that way you don't have as much filled up in the burn chamber but also if you're going to be running it at the high setting more often I would say run the diesel because at the high sending it might be too high of a temperature for the burn chamber overall long life blah blah blah blah I'm telling you this from experience
Not valid, you must use combustion analyzer to adjust fuel air.
Where do you buy red Diesel for it buddy kind regards
You can buy red online and have it delivered to your house, or plant hire shops.
Some petrol stations sell it on the pumps up north.
@@wishfix can you send me a link for online ones and for pick up I cannot find any please kind regards derby
Where is the best place to get kerosene for my diesel heater? Anyone? U.K.
Im wondering the same thing mate.... Im in cambridgeshire fens.. and its currently £2 per litre for Kerosene!!!!
Literally cheaper by 50p per litre, to just get normal diesel 😂
So I got to tell you is that an kerosene is a less of a lubricant and eventually the pump will and go
Yet i've been running mine for 3 years straight on kerosene with no problems.. ?
Where are getting your kerosene from? I cannot for no love no money find it for less than £1 per litre
Aztec oil in bolsover or peak oil in Chesterfield also they do run on heating oil aswell
Diesel it weighs more per gallon means more stored energy
So the UK government has just today imposed a minimum buy on kerosene for home heating.
You now must buy 300 liters minimum on a single purchase.
So kerosene is now out of the picture for most people.😭
Wow, that has blown my mind, thanks for the info, that government are bastards.
It’s available by the litre at some farm stores
Especially around Birmingham
There's a texaco by me where there's a pump for kerosene. And it was like £1 a litre last I checked
I'm hearing 20ltrs kero +2ltrs veg oil mixed for lube works great, anyone done this????
I think a lot of people would add engine oil to kerosene although I'm not sure of the rare. Maybe Google it .
I think kerosene should burn hotter
1.54 now :( thank god for cherry
I don't know why your kerosene is so expenive I pay 40 pence at the pump or 300ltr delivered for £90.00 and kerosene is jet fuel and because jets aren't flying at the moment it is very cheap.I have never burned diesel in my heater but I would guess its just the same without the additives and my heater is a few years old and have no soot problems.
Where in the country are you? I'm in bolsover area as the cheapest I have found is 70p
@@CARTALKUK
Just look at oil prices in Ireland and I live in north it was as low 25 pence a ltr but gone up slightly and a 1200 ltr tank in the back garden for oil fired central heating and my diesel heater so 20ltrs drum run this for a week £6.00 beat that?
That's fine then, it's not a competition. Just trying to help and get cheap heat?
My reply would say that that in the last 12 months is that C2 is super cheap. Just not constant.
Overall, would you let a first timer bray away using fuel that's not advised?
I know c1 & c2 are different in refined. One can be used in an oil lamp (in the house), not the other.
@@CARTALKUK
Boiler Juice operates nationwide. Minimum 500lt quotes.
They use local operatives working via them. 205lt drums at the ready and you'll buy very cheap. Heating oil classified as deisel oil is currently 33p + vat (5%). Red deisel.
Send a private so I can tell you properly
you shoud change the pump if you use kerosine tis is a non lubricaated fuel that makes your normal pump live span not that great
After a year and it still runs fine I'll take my chances for the sake of £12 on a new pump
@@CARTALKUK alright you do you if it stil runs great
Its bullshit people are running straight kerosene for over 2 years no problems
I find my pump runs faster when using kerosene.