Is the Multiverse KILLING the MCU?
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We are living in the Multiverse Age--not just Marvel movies, either. DC, theater, TV shows, and last years best picture winner, "Everything Everywhere All At Once"--they're all focused on the multiverse. So why are we--and giant corporations obsessed with this idea? And is this concept weighting down shared universes and making people feel apathetic? We explain.
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Written by Colton Ogburn ( / coltonogburn )
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Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright, Randolf Nombrado, Andrew Finkenstaedt, and Lee Mazzio
#Multiverse #MCU
we aren’t just living in the Multiverse Saga of the MCU, we’re living in the multiverse saga of movies in general. The multiverse is everywhere, but why? I thnk understanding our culture;s obsession with the mutlievrse tells us a lot about the media we consume-which also tells us a lot about ourselves.
So e a closer look at why multiversal storytelling has been so popular as of late-why it's been hit and miss-how this genre has secretly been around for decades.
Multiverse appeal
Now the multiverse is nothing new. It’s been featured in comics, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Mr. Destiny, Rosanne, Fringe, Community-and even the classic Christmas movie, It’s a Wonderful Life. [clip]
Doug: Now say do what now?
Yeah, the writer Scot Roseann pointe dout that It’s a wonderful life is the first multiverse film-and it's the perfect example of what makes these films unique. It explored the concept of alternate realities, parallel universes, and how choices and one's own existence can drastically change life as we know it. [clip]
To understand why we’re in the multiverse age, we have to answer the questions: what’s so appealing about the multiverse in the first place? Why do we, as humans, wonder and dream about these parallel realites?
Things like nostalgia, 2nd chances, do-overs, and what-ifs are something we all ponder late at night when we’re trying to fall asleep. What if I’d studied a different major? What if my preferred political candidate had won? What if someone close to me hadn’t passed away? What would my life look like? [mr destiny clip] And all of those what-ifs essentially boil down to the same question-what if somewhere out there there’s a version of me who’s happier?
Doug: Wow that got heavy.
Well I mean think about it buddy, the past 8-ish years of real life have felt like we’re not living on “the main timeline.”
Doug: What do you mean?
Well think about it, the guy from Home Alone 2 became President. We had a global pandemic like something straight from a movie. The Capital was invaded by an extremist mob. The government is actually acknowledging the existence of UFO’s. Not to mention David Bowie, Prince, Harambe-
Doug: Okay I’m convinced, call the TVA, let's prune this thing.
Well hey don’t get me wrong, it hasn’t been all bad. But I do think that a large number of people are finding themselves looking back to what they view as simpler times.
Regardless of your political party, everyone seems to be unhappy in America right now, so the one thing wvevryone cam agree on is that we’re all wondering-what if?
This question, “what if,” is the central conceit of last year’s best picture winner, everything, everywhere, all at once. That film demonstrated that the multiverse could be an exceptional storytelling tool to explore character. But now, looking at the multiverse mess of the Flash and the MCU, it make sme wonder, what went wrong? Did they take it too far? [clip, I may have gone too far in a few places.]
Multiverse in hollywood
To some fans, the multiverse once felt like a fun new way to tell stories on an even grander scale-but is now becoming yet another Hollywood gimmick that audiences are growing tired of. [clip, everyones got a gimmick]
In film, we’ve always understood the concept of different cinematic universes. For example, audiences have always understood that Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield, and Tom Holland are all Peter Parker and Spider-Man. But we also understand that each are reimaginings of the character that exist separately from one another-well until now. [clip]
The introduction of multiversal storytelling makes anything possible. All three Peters Parker can swing around together, Patrick Stewart’s Professor X can meet Doctor Strange, Scott Lang can be a head in a jar in a zombie apocalypse. [clip] - Фільми й анімація
Multiverse isnt. But 💩 storytelling is
Lol what shit story telling? The only bad thing in this phase is the end of Secret Invasion
@@Last-Scar-5675Lol. She-Hulk and Quantumania as well
And the fan base is killing it
@@VoteBidentoSaveDemocracyquantimania was good, people act like phase 1-3 didn’t have bad movies too
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The real danger is that too much multiverse films could make you feel watching more of a menu of superheroes than an engaging trailblazer of a film.
With each video, you put so much more thought and effort into the MCU than the writers ever did
100%
And these writers want a raise lmfao
POV: Wondering if you were paid as poorly and worked in as bad of conditions as a lot of writers, would you do any better or feel the drive to write well. I can guarantee that most people aren’t going to give a crap about doing their job if they’re treated poorly. People are spiteful that way.
@JosiahCiepiel-eq5tj Let me lose my company billions, then I'll surely get a raise. Love the logic
It's not the writers. The writers submit their work, the executives get to change whatever they want because it's their IP.
Don't be reactionary and blame the writers. Learn how the process actually works and blame those responsible. The writers did nothing wrong.
The poor execution is killing multiverse stories in general
I should have watched the video before commenting lmao
Yep, too many sloppy shows and awkward movies, some even heavily reliant on bad shows like Dr Strange
To be honest,the multiverse storyline is just their another attempt on fan service. Take a look at Multiverse of Madness.
same bro we have seen 2 great examples of multiverse storytelling literally this year both movies did great spiderverse and everything everywhere at once proved its not so much the fatigue of superheroes or the multiverse concept it's the execution of it
This video just shows importance of writers. I’m more scared of what’s going to happen after the writers strike
The writers are the ones that got us in this repetitive mess to begin with.
the importance of *good* writers - and directors. you can't just throw poop at a wall, hoping it sticks. you need to know what you're doing first, and do it well.
Yeah... the so called "writers" with the MCU are standing on the shoulder of giants who already wrote most of this. Yet they can't even get it right.... it is handed on a silver plater.
I think the freedom that a multiverse gives actually made writers lazier and less creative. Even a multiverse should have an established rule and writers should never break those rules once established.
Award-winning author here. You're correct. Further, once Time-travel is introduced and absolutely no hard-coded rules are set, then ALL deaths, consequences, physics, etc. become utterly meaningless. That's a TERRIBLE thing in high stakes storytelling, too. Obviously! 😂 Nothing matters when you could simply wave your magic Wanda and teleport here, there, or anywhere. Strange too that after every film, a character's "already limitless" powers double or quadruple, and yet they are purported to have "no way to save the world" in the next film. Time travel is only feasible when it works for the "writers". Otherwise , the characters just... don't. 🤔 But then, an uneducated, snarky teenager invents "Super Duper Time Travel Plus" in their mom's basement (or in their bedroom, depending on the film's budget). Exemplary writing truly begins to take shape from there, folks! 🙄 Multiverses get Leeloo Dallas multPASSES. 🤮 Especially if the CEOs are filthy wealthy and godlike with their corporate power.
"YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWWAAAH!" --Bob Igerkin Skywalker, probably
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Well said. The thing the Disney+ shows have done best is deliver character deep dives...Wanda and her grief journey, Loki and Moonknight struggling with identity and Sam figuring out what it means for a black man to be Captain America in America. Secret Invasion started out as a deep dive into Fury's friendship with Talos, but the emotional weight was pulled out from under it by killing Talos and then changing the show's driving theme in the process(and ignoring Talos' death btw.) Notice I haven't even mentioned the multiverse, so I agree 100% the multiverse is a cool little touch when we get to see fun things like characters from past films that we love, but tell a character-driven narrative first, or we will check out and not care!!
Well said.
I also really hated how they ignored Talos' death. Smh
@lordsxman as a viewer we needed to see Fury, the protagonist affected by the loss. They built this theme of friendship for four episodes, and then we don't see our hero grieve the friend?! The bottom fell out when Talos was ignored. Fury should have at least screamed at the Prez on the phone at that the end.. Talos saved your life! Something.
100% - WandaVision and Moon Knight were among my favorites. I also think Ms. Marvel did a great job exploring the family dynamics and honestly, I enjoyed that more than the big bad stuff. Even She-Hulk was fine when it actually tried to be a silly 90s era lawyer sitcom (imo) - I would have loved to see more superhero law questions.
Yes me too @lisamarieligreci-newton7804 I enjoyed SheHulk, including the finale where she changed her own story, but it felt a bit unsatisfying because we didn't see her saving the day in court with her real superpower.. intelligence. She struggled the whole series with thinking "just jen" wasn't enough. How great would it have been to see her nail the baddies who stole her personal information, in court. Sure they got arrested but we cut right to the cute family barbecue. Jen winning the case in court, proving to herself that Jen is awesome and THEN bringing Matt Murdock to meet the family would have been more fulfilling. Win. Win.
Im really comforted to know that I'm not alone in the feeling that we're in the worst timeline and have been for at least 8 to 10 years. Things do feel really off.
At 1st I thought you were talking about the MCU, then I realized you were talking about life.😂
I'm old enough to say been there, done that. None of the "8 to 10" years is new. Maybe we're stuck in a loop lol.
Phase 4 was really off. None of the movies or shows really connected organically like the previous movies.
Yeah, I was talking about life in general but the MCU has been pretty crap since Endgame.
Although I think its always been pretty hit or miss, THOR 2, both villains from Ironman 2, 3, and Antman and the Wasp. None of them have been perfect but after Thanos, a near perfect villain, in two near perfect movies, are expectations are too high.
I thought Quantumania was pretty good for an Antman movie, Love and Thunder was pretty awful, MOM was disconnected, and the Disney+ other than Loki and Moonknight, were instantly forgettable.
@@katiearkie idk, he made some valid points, Game show pres, Aliens being acknowledged, turning 47, it all checks out as the worst timeline. ;)
I think the reason why the Multiverse isn’t working as a threat/concept is that it doesn’t really have an emotional/thematic anchor in the MCU.
In Everything, Everywhere, the Multiverse is a way to interrogate questions of life, what kind of paths in life we take, what kind of people we become, how important are connections to other people.
In Spiderverse, it’s a way to express the creative and cultural legacy of Spider-Man, in all of the character’s many forms, deconstructing the formula of the character.
In the MCU, the Multiverse is….just there. It doesn’t matter how many times Doctor Strange parrots about how the Multiverse is “in danger.” Why should we care that it’s in danger? What is our emotional attachment to the Multiverse? Why does this story *need* to be told as a part of a Multiverse, and not just stand on its own?
I don’t care if, at the end of the day, The Multiverse is just meant to be a big conceptual playground for characters from recognisable IPs to meet/fight each other. That’s fine. But make us care about the playground.
That's probably one of the reasons sure. But we don't even have an avengers team and we don't have anyone like robert downey jr to hold the universe together until the team is formed.
@@Aurelynboth of these are very good points
If there are infinite universes out there why care about any in particular? It's why Rick Sanchez is drunk all the time. Comics love to kill off alternate versions of heroes in a shocking way which only adds to inherent multiversal nihilism. If they show me it doesn't matter then why would I care?
@@Aurelyn Not having a big team up movie until Avengers 5 is killing the MCU at the moment. By the time that movie comes out whenever it comes out it will be at least 7 years or more since Endgame. Feige should have realized that is way to long for the next big team up movie considering we were used to not waiting more then 3 years at best. And the way the Avengers question has been handled since Phase 4 is just plain stupid at least have someone like Sam, Hulk or Antman address what happened and not act like no one wants to know.
Personally this is why marvels and I don't mean the MCU but the comics multiverse stories have always been rather weak. They're just there to have teams fight. DC comics does the multiverse better seeing heroes take different paths, different choices. Its why Flashpoint was so popular because 1 choice changed everything. The mcu is struggling with the multiverse because there is no emotional attachment. We aren't getting a movie with Tony stark not being a hero, etc. What if kind of filled the gap but its animated. No way home honored the legacy of the previous movies. But right now there is no emotional attachment to the multiverse we're not seeing heroes we know evolve differently. Instead its being used as fan service, oh professor x, black bolt, Reed Richard's. Like the doctor strange what if episode was amazing but it was short. Can you imagine the reaction if that was the plot of the doctor strange 2 movie? He desperately tries to save Christine, ends up tearing his universe apart. We feel emotional attachment. The current mcu multiverse just relies on fan service so we aren't emotionally attached to it as a whole
A Christmas Carol is the first multiverse story since Scrooge visits his alternative future if he does not change.
Somebody has been watching too many Chris and Jack sketches
Very on point about atonement. The main strong point I had for the What If series was Dr. Strange doing whatever it took to change his past yet it was all for nothing. It hits hard that even superheroes cannot save the ones they love.
I like some of the movies and shows from phases 4-5 as well, but I do feel like you've made the most compelling argument I've heard about the MCU in pandamic years. Finally, someone who can answer the question without blaming superhero fatigue, franchise fatigue, or, god forbid, wokeness!😑
Most movies have been shit storywise.
Andrew Garfield's redemption moment makes me cry every time too. AND YOU PUT THAT CLIP IN HERE TWICE! The feels man.
Ok fair point; I feel like that is one of the few exceptions that worked very well. I'm not even particularly a fan of the Garfield films, but in the second film, when Peter grieves and stands by the tombstone while time goes by; just typing this I'm feeling it, good Lord what a scene.
So him going full circle and saving MJ in the multiverse, and when she says, "Are you ok?" - agreed, the feels, the pure feels.
It was a great way to resolve a character's story line and show character growth all in one movie that had maybe a 5th of screen time of the old Spider-Mans. And Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man stepping up into a real mentor role.
That shiz was lame
I like how in GotG Gamora doesn't have the memories as the Gamora that Peter knew and that made it mean something to lose her. The story between them in GotG 3 was really well done. That was a good ass movie.
Loki season two is fast approaching and I am absolutely pumped! The first season was so excellent I watched the whole season numerous times. I am hopeful season two will be as good as the first if not even better! Tom Hiddleston Loki has become my favorite Marvel character!
Loki season 2 has my remaining faith in MCU
Second this!
Same here
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Loki was mid at best.. you just to used to watching junk now
I think people’s obsession with the concept of multiverses in real life is because of their want to believe that they did something different in another universe because they’re not happy with their life, it’s a way people can go well I wonder if in this other life I didn’t make that decision and I’d be rich now, making them constantly unhappy in their life
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It's not always about the individual. The actions you take can have a profound effect on others. It isn't always about looking back in regret but imagining that if another version of a person did things differently, then they could have been better, and instead of thinking how you made mistakes, thinking about how they didn't.
It isn't all about you (The individual)
your videos are so well-researched. i appreciate the time it must take to write, film, and edit these--especially in the current style, with reaction cutaways...thank you for these videos ~
Sliders was one of my favorites. Even if the writing/acting went off course. Fun concept.
Fuck yeah
The death of Vision and the grief it causes are the best writing in recent Marvel stories, imo.
Wanda’s story effectively connects TV/streaming with the films, because it took its time developing over several projects, and it’s not even complete yet!
In the medium jump (film to tv and back to film) it takes experimentalism in production/writing to make it work (Wandavision).
By the way, the shot where Wanda breaks the 4th wall and looks at “us” is (at least close to) my favorite moment in the MCU. It includes “us” in the multiverse story and took the fricking genius of Sam Raimi to pull it off.
Finally, any long form story that takes many writers to complete will vary in quality from chapter to chapter. This is fundamental to comics, particularly. If there was a “bad” issue of a comic, when I was collecting in the 80s, it didn’t matter. I never asked “is Marvel dying?”! No way. For us and our short attention spans to mire a creative project like the MCU with our hangups would be pointless.
The problem isn't super hero movies, the problem is mid/bad super hero movies as a result of flooding the market. This year Spider-Verse, Guardians Vol 3, and TMNT: Mutant Mayhem have all been great.
Across the Everything everywhere all at Spider-Verse.
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Seeing the 2012 TMNT series made me smile a bit. 😅 A surprise to he sure, but a welcomed one.
Atonement being the theme of the multiverse saga does sound like a really grounded and relatable theme. Hopefully a writer brings this up to Kevin Feige when the WGA-SAG strikes end.
I think a writer just did.
Ryan, hope you get an opportunity.
The multiverse has always been a part of media but its more common now because the people that grew up with it are now creating media
Instead of "It's a Wonderful Life." can we argue that the future visions for Scrooge in "Christmas Carol" were the first multiverse?
This was a great take on the multiverse films. Storytelling has to be compelling to be enjoyable and the concepts should be thoroughly fleshed out. And we should care about the characters while following their journeys.
The What If Dr. Strange episode was so much better than what we got in MoM. It hit all the points of what you mentioned about what happens when you try to change the past and force a perfect reality.
Man, I love your videos! thanks for the hard work all involved :)
Multiversal concepts are inherently fine. The problem is a combination of rushed projects and sacrificing strong, standalone stories for the sake of a grander, interconnected cinematic universe. I'm not a fan of Avengers (2012) but phase 1 almost perfectly set it up with stingers and easter eggs.
I mentioned this to my family and my sister asked - wouldn’t A Christmas Carol (released 8 years prior to IAWL) be the first Multiversal film? It uses the same themes of “What if” that IAWL does right?
I don't know about that, since Scrooge is seeing past versions of his life, the present lives of Bob Cratchit and his family, and a possible future outcome of his life, rather than seeing other possible outcomes from the choices he made. It's about learning from the mistakes of his past and fearing his death. Also, he's a passive observer for most of his journey, only interacting with the spirits rather than the world around him so I don't think it would count as a multiverse movie. Though I wouldn't disagree if you claimed A Christmas Carol was a time travel story.
I think the multi-verse is just starting it’s done right they can use it to tell so many stories. The options are endless. You can reboot or soft reboot with the multi-verse, keeping the infinity saga close to everyone’s heart while trying to sell another story if done, right
Excellent video, thank you all for putting in such great work!
Would’ve personally preferred if the Multiverse Saga incorporated the multiverse more aside from like just five main realities. Like imagine instead of the Mavel Zombies What If continuation we got a Marvel Zombies movie directed by Sam Raimi with Tobey, Snipes, and Hugh Jackman as the main trio? And then eventually all of these different movies taking place in different universes (including some of the main MCU variants) then collided when Battle World takes place in Secret Wars?
That’s sounds way more interesting. Kinda like “What if” but on a bigger scale. Make a couple movies taking place in different universes with different versions of characters we know or new characters we haven’t seen before but on different universes(the X-men and fantastic four come to mind), that could even help to simplify their origin stories without having to tie them to the main mcu continuity with the blip and all of that stuff. And then at the end of some of these movies, have the characters get transported to the main timeline (or battle world). Leaving the audience like “wow that character is now in the timeline we know, can’t wait to see how that unfolds”. Would’ve help to create expectations for future stuff, also to give the timeline we have been seeing a like break after endgame.
15:21 that’s the surface-view/thought people have, but don’t understand that every individual universe got its thing going, it’s not pointless or meaningless, it just got multiple meanings/reasons all coexisting.
DC, I think, started the multiverse in the Comics to have multiple Earths to handle the length of time that had gone on, since the characters weren't aging. And it took them many issues to describe the story. I loved Earth-1, Earth-2 stories when I was younger. I loved the JSA and each had a Superman, Batman and several other characters. But it took them a good while to explain the Multiverse. The movies are trying to make you understand in 15 minutes (so to speak.) I agree, they need to tell better stories.
Incredible use of the grand tour. Well done
A Very well written piece. Have to applaud the work that went into this and other videos you’ve done. There’s a depth to the work that isn’t often present in other similar channels. Thanks for the quality!
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Yes it is. When you introduce time travel and a multiverse there is no reason to care about the characters and no reason to trust anything. Like Rick Sanchez said, nothing matters because there are infinite possibilities. If Spiderman dies we can just get another
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Yondu's death hit hard, the snap did not.
Is the Multiverse Saga working?
*No*
*Multiverse is working but the saga is not working*
Yes
Not yet.
*Multiverse is working but the saga is not working*
Not with their current quality
Your content is unbelievably in touch and highly intelligent. I'm glad I stumbled on to your channel.
This is the best video from you that I've seen! Great work!
Ok hear me out (cause I LOVE this channel): but I think it would be super insightful if you guys made a video about what role social media reviewers like yourselves play in the "downfall of the MCU". There are so many instances where the pondering and theorizing over these movies leads to unrealistic expectations (mephisto or the fantasric 4 not being in wandavision for example) for regular moviegoing fans. I went back and watched multiverse of madness, and realized it's a perfectly fine movie ..but all the expectations around it at the time made it hard to ever feel satisfied. Anyway ..it's just a thought and I think this channel would be the only group I think could have that discussion properly and without bias.
My friends and I use to do this to ourselves before access to the internet was widely available. People who allow themselves to get hyped up over someone else's made up speculations have no one to blame but themselves.
Great point, would be a great video topic!
You Basically read my mind with this bro
The amount of theories before movies come is just hard to even catch up with on social media
They get you excited you end up forgetting that the people making these theories are not the people Makin this movies so u end up thinking they are actually part of movie making and the movie will definitely be similar
and when it doesn't you go back to social media you find a review that has the title "did marvel mess up ?"
That is 100% accurate. The expectations leave people dissatisfied.
Don't get me wrong, I love speculating and thinking about what could happen. But there has to be a better way for us all to not throw tantrums every time nova, Galactus, or dr. Doom don't show up in a film. I just wish there was more "wouldn't it be cool if?..." Talk as opposed to "GUESS who is DEFINITELY going to be in the next ____ movie..and here's proof!" Videos
So one of the universes in the multiverse is at risk, and you try to save it.
You succeed!
And in another timeline you fail.
It makes it so nothing matters. Which is why Everything Everywhere All at Once was so amazing: it addressed this issue.
Videos like this are why I’m subscribed to your channel. Great work!!
I really enjoy your videos and the points you make keep up the good work
The MCU should have gone with a full reset TBH
THANKS for this, Doug and Ryan!!!! Some of your chyrons are wrong ("Adventures of Superman" TV show date, "Crisis on *Infinite Earths* " ), but I like the very accurate and interpretative things you've both said here! And a special thanks for remembering the greatness of the 1990s animated "Spider-Man" finale!!!
Great video Ryan! You really hit at the core of what it means to be a human with regrets. This is probably my favorite video from you to date. 😢👍🏿
Wow! What a great video. I really love this team’s ability to unpack these themes and to give such insight! Keep it up!
Keep making these! You are amazing!
Marvel is laying out the rules and mechanics in many of their projects that create stakes and challenges for the multiverse . They already made clear multiverse hopping can drastically alter timelines and create incursions. Those are the stakes.
It's exactly what you said, greedy executives trying to raise the stock. If writers & the entire team were given more time, we'd have better quality. Executives don't see it like that for fear of missing out on billions of potential dollars. Shows like "Dark"on Netflix did a really great job of time travel storytelling. Given the proper time to put out a quality product and chances are you'll actually make MORE money.
To date, the best standalone multiverse story that the MCU has told so far has been episode 4 of What If, the Dr. Strange loses his heart episode. In my opinion it is still the best project in the MCU that makes effective use of its runtime to tell a personal character based story with a scope that affects the multiverse, expands on ideas of how the multiverse works (absolute points in time), and comes back to tie into other storylines (his return for the Infinite Ultron arc). Loki hits all three too, personal character story, expands on the multiverse via variants, apocalypse theory, & Kang, and ties into other stories via Kang, but I don’t think it made as effective use of its runtime as the Dr. Strange episode of What If did. No other multiverse story in the MCU (not including Sony animated Spiderverse), was even close to hitting all three, and that includes No Way Home despite that being a fun movie.
Interestingly, I just read the book The Midnight Library and in it they do exactly what you were describing. It’s about one woman who realizes her life‘s regrets, so she tries out different lives to see if she is happier and if those lives are better. But, the reason it works is because she is the main character. Every alternate choice is based around her, though it has far reaching consequences for the other people in her life as well, some choices making their lives seemingly better, but in other cases making their lives worse. I think that’s why it’s difficult to tell a multi-versal story with several different characters. A change to Wanda’s life may ruin Strange’s life, or a change to Peter’s life ruined May’s life, but the overall consequences have felt small, like it’s just that group who has been affected, rather than sweeping, like the fall of SHIELD or Thanos’s snap, which would make us all feel it so much more.
great video! thanks Ryan!
I think most if not all of these stories look great on paper. One of jobs of a great producer and director is to envision whether the story will continue to be great on film. With marvel getting as huge as it has with the MCU a I think it’s easy to loose track of what works and fits into a connected storyline and what doesn’t. WB and the DC people(excluding Nolan and Snyder) are just not good at this and was time for them to go.
Bro, your charisma & Doug made this my favorite channel
Ryan, this is THE BEST breakdown of how many of us feel about the current MCU. Hell, you brought up points that I didn't even know I had. Can someone send this to Marvel Entertainment.
Ryan, you and Doug slay me like dragon, every time! Thanks for another great video!! Character first!!!
There's never a simpler time. When we're adults it does get very hard. We shouldn't have to be living in the past all the time. It doesn't make us grow. Children don't have to worry about what's going on until they graduate from high school. Will always have these issues in our society.
I called this at the end of Endgame... The multiverse was going to be too complicated and too confusing for casual fans and will not be as successful as the Infinity Saga...
True comic fans and "nerds" will like it, but casuals won't like it as much... Add the shotty story telling, and here we are...
I think that the Multiverse will explode in phase six, it will be so great, every project will be focused to fix this mess. People thought that infinity war would be complicated, reuniting so many heroes seemed a crazy move and Marvel showed us how it was possible. I believe that they will be able to connect every reality in one big story, with many paths that will end in a satisfying conclussion.
Hang on Ryan. It seems like the MCU phases 4-5 have all been about the heroes grappling with their past and all that ending stuff you just said. So…there is a connective tissue? 🤔✌️Great video 👍Thanks
Had an ad at 12:59. What i heard was "she told me that with great power, get 50% off at domino's." 😁
Thank you for answering my request about Everything everywhere at once breakdown..
I'm not one for BetterHelp ads (or ads in general) but MAN it would've been a great sponsor for this video. When Doug says "prune it all, I don't wanna exist anymore" I was like "oh my god, here he goes, Ryan got me on this one..." but it WASN'T YOUR AD READ
Can we all just appreciate that He Who Remains had this ish running smooth! Thanks Sylvie!
the little dog is too adorable, i have to like all the videos
Great watch after our conversation last week. Theme must be front and center or else the entire experience is hollow. These films need to figure out what they want to say with the multiverse, because attempting general "who will die" stakes when infinite variants exist or "the whole multiverse will end" being impossible for audiences to anchor themselves to emotionally.
Thank you Colton Ogburn & Ryan
Great video and very valid points. It’s nice to see different variants or cameos but that doesn’t make the movie. The underlying story and being able to relate to characters.
The other thing is some characters are better off just being in team up movies instead of getting their own solo films. If everyone in a team up gets a solo film, fatigue will definitely happen. But doing some duos makes sense. Thor Ragnorak was a great example.
Dickens Christmas Carol explored alternate reality before It's A Wonderful Life. Scrooge got to see what would happen if he died before he reformed with Christmas Future.
One thing all these videos are missing is that this is SUPPOSED to kill the MCU. They are copy/pasting Secret Wars from the comics, which ended up in almost EVERYONE dying, and the entire thing rebooted. That is the goal here. They have to introduce all these throwaway character because they are all gonna die. They have to show all these alternate realities so that when their reality collides with the mainline MCU, and only one can remain, we stick with OUR guys, though a few variants will inevitably join the mainline universe.
This is all as intended. Does that mean it’s good? No. It just means that the MCU has painted themselves into a corner just like the comics did, and this is the only way out.
I f*kn love your interactions with Doug. Those bits are hilarious, keep it up. I'm soooooo glad you started integrating more of them in the episodes🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯🔥
I’ve been watching a lot your videos on the multiverse and more Detain on marvel comics comparing to the movies but my question to ask is Do you believe that the celestials worked with kang to bring on multiverse war if the celestials technically were the start of existence
I'd be happy with a Marvel/DC crossover with Henry Cavill as Superman 😅
Loved this video. Great explanation
The film "It's A Wonderful Life" (1940s) is loosely based on the novel "A Christmas Carol" (1840s), which is actually the first "multiverse" (alternate history, really) work of fiction.
I think we’ll keep having highs and lows till phase 6 then I think the mcu is going to start hitting their stride again
Glad you mentioned Rick and Marty.
Doug was unhinged in this video
Exactly! We are missing that deeper connection now a days 😞
It took three phases to get to the connection. People now want every movie to be an Avengers or Endgame, that took time to build.
I feel like that has always been the argument, but ppl wanted to assume it was because our expectations weren’t met or some gender thing… just tell a good story, make it make sense within context to the story, and make sure that story is being shown and not told…oh and keep celebs out of politics
You made me cry, Ryan Aree
I’m enjoying it and I’m sick of listening to people complain about it.
“I don’t want to exist anymore!” My thoughts exactly.
When I was a kid a billion years ago we fantasized about crossover battles. I for one love the multiverse concept. Problem is Kevin Feige is giving us Crayons when Jeph Loeb gave us inks and pencils. They fired that lady last year so maybe things will get better after Iron Heart ( her last project with Marvel )
Juxtaposing the moment Andrew Garfield comes through the portal with his redemption moment saving MJ was just a chef's kiss nailed it.
If the studios will chill a bit and let the writers do their thing without excessive meddling, theyll likely make the insane money they want with these movies. Irony is always lost on bean counting suits.
So good .. thanks Dann Dublin
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The theme of regret would go PERFECTLY with the MCU that just experienced half of life dying.
I think the story telling that weird should be because of the writers trying to sabbotage the stories because they were giving hints about their writers strike.
If you read the current writing process and studios trying to be cheap with writers I can understand why the writing is so bad.
This was a great video! I completely agree; the multiverse has to have a story. It can’t just be a host of cameos that lead to nothing. The tough task for Marvel and DC, and whoever wants to be multiverse storytelling, is making the audience care. Especially with Marvel; the MCU is HUGE. Personally, I don’t care about any of the multiversal threats because I’m not rooting for any of the characters yet. How can audiences in characters that don’t mean anything to them?
The underdog line up saves the multiverse so there could have been a phase 4 and 5 that was good in other realities just not their own.
Brilliant video, Ryan
I think the MCU Saga should've waited until Phase 7.
In my opinion, I feel like the recent multiverse movies have not felt particularly focused because to some degree they’re all telling the same story - “an introduction to the multiverse” - but we don’t know need that. Loki did a masterful job of introducing us to the multiverse and setting up the coming stakes of a new Big Bad. The three multiverse films (No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania) all just feel like they’re treading movie instead of moving forward. It just feels like everything has stalled since Loki.
"I'm not allowed to cake cause it'll kill me" 😂😂😂.
I think it’s a two prong issue. The companies like multiverse series because you get to reuse characters, scenes, sets, etc… which makes for a cheaper way to create a variety of stories. Because of this, it is always a cheap shot. But - it can be saved if it is accompanied by great (not just good) storytelling that allows the multiverse to have stakes. So I’m annoyed because, it is cheap. But I loved No Way Home!! So, you’re right. Just make good stories… and maybe they don’t have to have a multiverse. They can just be good.
The Multi verse allows different actors to play the same role. It is an easy way to replace long time actors when they retire from the character.
Interesting concept, hope they figure it out, would like to see an at least adequate concept of the multiverse on film.
The timeline branched when they killed Harambe…that’s where it all went wrong