HEATED DEBATE: Did the Sharks shortchange Morris? | NRL 360
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- Опубліковано 12 кві 2021
- Paul Kent and Ben Ikin butt heads over John Morris' premature Sharks exit
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On NRL 360, Ben Ikin backs recently-sacked Cronulla Sharks coach John Morris, while Paul Kent says the timing was right to move on in the Shire.
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Ikin the only one with proper points, Brent Read and Kenty were absolute knobs
Hands up, who's surprised?
Only Top level player
3 knobs and a football player is what the show should be called
Ben iken the only footy brains knows there is something wrong the CEO and the chairman and know one else sees it
Ikins football IQ is far superior to the others on this panel.
This💯
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Yeah because Ben Ikin has played the game at the Top level where the other knobs haven’t x U can be a rugby league expert or a rugby league Journo for years but they’ll never know more than the guys who actually played the game
@@gtmorgan4323 💯💯💯
@@gtmorgan4323 Paul Kent played 1 game for the Eels, that makes him an expert.
Ikin is like a dad trying to explain a same idea in different ways but his sons are still not getting it...🤣🤣🤣🤣
The “journo” on the right with the glasses is a nufty too.
Good for John Morris to walk out. Let them deal with the rest of the season. He can go somewhere he’s appreciated and not treated dirty.
I love how know one knows his name 😂😂 hes such a muppet
Agree
@@Jp-do9ny LMAOOOOOO 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@@Jp-do9ny he has a name?
How can Ikin deal with kenty on a daily basis 😂😂
Gets paid , doesn't he ?
Reminds me of Undisputed, i always ask how does Shannon deal with Skip on a daily basis.
Kent: “you need someone to come in and turn over the roster....”
Also dipshit Kent in every other discussion: “why can’t a coach come in and run with the players in place? Every coach seems to need to bring in a whole new roster!”
He’s an expert......
Because Morris has shown he can’t coach this roster to a win over a top 8 side
Kent seems to take counter positions to whoever is talking lol its annoying because of the contradictions the onkgray
A new coach isn't the issue - it's managerial competence. If the Sharks didn't think JM was the future of the club they have sacked him in November 20 and not strung him along. He's been treated abysmally.
Kenty gave me a headache this episode. He’s not usually that annoying. He needs to be quiet.
I don’t believe anything he says about the Sharks. He’s a stooge.
@Jack O'shanassy he thinks he’s an ex player lmao
Love how the media know everything about how to run a club, yet none of them are running a club and won’t.
They're sporting pundits. It's their job to give their opinion on Rugby League. I don't think any of them profess to know the ins and outs of how to lead a club. What they are doing is providing legitimate criticism on how John Morris has been treated by Cronulla. It's all pretty fair commentary for mind.
Didn't ikin join the Broncos last year to help fix them?
To be fair Ikin was on Cows board that made some hard decisions which resulted in a GF win so I guess he knows a thing or two.
Isn't that called an opinion?
Ikin was offering to be CEO of the Broncos and has been in the cows board
Ikin was bang on with his points
Why do people think Fitzgibbon is gonna be a good coach?
Because he was a good player??? The top 3 coaches in the nrl right now. Craig Bellamy (a fringe first grader at best) Trent Robinson (pretty much a reserve grader) Wayne Bennett (a fringe rep player.) the nrl is one of the few sports on earth that pretends being a good player is a requirement for being a good coach. It’s not it’s nothing but an excuse to give some good ol boys a job because you underpaid em at the end of their career.
In contrast the nfl has head coaches who went to college then became coaches they started preparing for the job at 22. Some are the most respected in the game at 35.
Is it because he’s been an assistant at the roosters?? Cool assistant coach and head coach aren’t the same thing. It’s like saying because I work in construction I’m going to succeed as an architect. I might but my being good at my current job is not the same thing.
I sincerely hope Fitzgibbon goes well, success stories are far better than failures. But the idea that Fitzgibbon is a better coach’s and can attract player bec20 years ago he and Hindmarsh and ricketson formed nsw’s greatest backrow is just wishing on a star.
You are spot on mate I was thinking the same thing. Being a good player does not mean that the guy will be a good coach.
The real question is could Fitzgibbon in the last 2 years get the sharks to the top 8 ???? I don’t think so I watched this sharks team against the roosters live was very well coached football team just lacked in last 10 minutes shame on u Cronulla
The entire history of Cronulla is hardly that of a top club. I suspect the chopping and changing within the club is only going to push them in one direction. Average of past 15 years is 8-9th position.
Exactly u have spent 2 years building morris and now just when his finally looking good u cut him and start again with another rookie coach who will take the same time to learn and build into a good coach
The coach is not the problem. The Sharks have been carrying a lot of dead wood on their roster for some years now. You have to feel sorry for Morris but that being said, now is as good a time as any for a major cleanout from top to bottom. Good luck to Fitzgibbon . At this stage I think he will need it.
Yeah dead wood like Matt Moylan who’s on $900k a season and Josh Dugan who’s on $900k this season and those two players are coming off contract so John Morris never got the chance to have money available to spend on players he wanted instead Craig Fitzgibbon will get that opportunity and that’s a damn shame
I honestly think John Morris was just a long term interim coach and I think the Sharks was just waiting for this point all along and John Morris wasn’t there to sign players or make the team his own he was just there to coach the team up until this point so they could sign a better option to coach this team and now they think they have that better option in Craig Fitzgibbon and Fitzgibbon will now have around 5 million dollars to spend for next season and beyond
@@gtmorgan4323 You are spot on GT. Both of them have never really done much at the Sharks and should have been moved on a long time ago. There are a few other big names that should go as well.
@@anthonymontgomery4861 Yeah like Fifita who’s on $800k a season Aaron Woods who hasn’t been to bad these days but I’m sure he’s on decent coin there and Wade Graham aswell he’s on $750k a season now I’m a huge Wade Graham fan and he’s a superstar and a good captain for the club but he’s always injured so Sharks definitely ain’t getting what they paid for in there Top paid players so Credit to John Morris for managing that situation and bringing in too young players to step up and guiding the Sharks to Two finals appearances in two years
@@anthonymontgomery4861 John Morris done the hard yards with them for over two years and when there’s finally money available for John Morris to use for 2022 they get rid of him x He’s been hard done by And I’m not even a Sharks fan but I feel for him coz he deserves better treatment than that
Fitzgibbon has done nothing. They talk about Pedigree? Been riding the golden goose at the roosters. All the assistant coaches who ventured out from the Storm didn’t fair well. BS.
Pedigree meaning his father Alan Fitzgibbon who coached the Sharks to the 1988 Minor Premiership and Prelim Final the same year.
As Sharks fan, I am excited about Fitzgibbon next year.
But our club handled the whole situation badly.
Everyone likes to talk about the big 6 clubs, they do not handle situations like this.
Telling coach on Monday no decision has been made, then on Tuesday he is gone.
Not exactly a professional way to handle things. Also as incoming coach seeing this mess unfold.
You would not believe anything the board said.
Not exactly the best for our coach to start.
Kent: “let me finish”
Also Kent; *interrupts everyone* lol
I thought the sharks looked solid, A inform Shaun Johnson could see them in the mix this year.
When kenty said their a middle of the table club he exactly proved ikin and crawleys point. The sharks in so many areas there cap is screwed. Fines in place reserve grade quality players on big money and yet John Morris has gotten that team who quite honestly on paper could be argued as a bottom 8 side to the finals 2 years out of 2. He has blooded new players and made them good enough to get to the finals. Just when he can come in and spend money on bringing in new players that he wants and getting rid of the sack of potato’s on big money he gets fired. You ask me it’s got nothing to do with him being a good bloke it’s to do with the fact that you just sacked the man that has gotten your club in a much better position than they would’ve been with 90% other coaches, and they had the audacity to sack him
Sounds like a grubby club
Kent just wants him out
Agreed with Ikin, JM should of been given a chance to work with a full salary cap. Will Hannay get the Sharks to win against the big 4 or 5 teams? Maybe the club could of bought Fitzgibbon in as an assistant to JM next year with a full salary cap.
As a sharks fan this signing excites me. I never felt Morris had what it took to make the hard decisions. He seems a decent coach but nothing about his tenure said we were on a trajectory back to the top clubs.
John Morris done a good job considering he got them to the finals 2 years in a row and considering he hasn’t had the money available to sign players he wants because Dugan and Moylan and Fifita ain’t worth what there on atm and your marquee player Johnson hasn’t played yet and so John Morris has had to blood in a lot of rookies over the past two seasons and imo he’s built a good team with what he’s had available to him
And if Fitzgibbon doesn’t have success he’ll probably get the chop too. Then what?😂
Fire him 5 rounds into next season. Cronulla's board went to the same school as West Tigers.
Pretty poor handling tbh the guy didn’t do anything wrong and he worked with what he had at the time 🤦♂️
Sharks front office a disgrace, if i was an off contract shark player (their are quite a few) i would walk away
7:45 fucking facts.
Sacking a coach for "just making finals" is not right when alot of teams out there that don't even make finals.
Won't be long until Craig is gone aswell and they go the way of the tigers with a coach every year.
Great to see the respect for the 3 spud ring ins - everyone talking over each other. As soon as Ikin has something to say, people listen.
Fitzgibbon hasn’t been head coach and youse think 16 ceos would choose him over a current NRL coach that has made last 8 with roster he had - you need your head checked some of yas deadset
How do they guys think a guy is going to be a great head coach when he has never been one? Like what tough decisions has he ever made
Sharks are light years behind the big 6, doesn’t matter if they sign the GOAT of coaches Craig Bellamy, they still wouldn’t be ahead of the top 6 so they can’t be expected to go better then what they have been.
Its the vibe of it.
I feel so sorry for Ben. Speaking to a brick wall
Benny on the money here. The other 3 are absolute muppets
Cronulla haven't beat a top team for 2 years. Short term pain long term gain, get rid of some of the dead weight..exciting times ahead
The nobody in the glasses getting all worked up when he is just talking dribble
Morris took us to the finals twice in a row with a side consisting mainly of guys no one had heard of and below the salary cap what more can he do end of the day you can the best coach in the world but the players have to do it in the end
They should replay this again with how well the Sharks are going now.
They are obviously missing information about the situation at sharkieland. There's more to this story.
Which is?
The sharks management have no idea and are pointing the blame in every direction but inwards. That’s the real story. They must be trying to copy Brisbane into the depths of incompetence.
John Morris was treated like a bum, the same as Dean Pay. Used till they fixed the cap then straight out the door for a new coach. How can you blame players when they move on, loyalty is gone, started by the clubs.
As for these boof heads, Ikin is the only one that understands the subject, Morris might not have beaten a top 4 side, but he doesn’t have a top 4 squad. Now that they are getting cap space & can bring in other players, why not let Morris have an fair go & judge him then. Not while he has all the restraints with the cap.
Moylan, josh bandages dugan fifita and woods will get boot, new players come in eith normal salary cap, new coach get credit for all morris did
Good chat but I reakon they gotta drop 1 of them because the debate turns into a scrappy mess
What happens if his a flop? Or sharks lose half the fan base or players walk. It’s killed their chances this year and next
They need to listen to Ben Ikin. Shane Flanagan took 5 years to get them to the premiership. Morris has had 2??
Fitzgibbon was a great player but not sure he will be good coach how many coaches came trough Bellamy and Bennett system and most of them fail
geez you wouldnt want to be a nrl coach with these monday experts running you down every chance they get there are only so many good players so some teams are going to struggle regardless of who is coaching them
I wish John Morris the best in the future and he’s still a young coach and he’ll be better for the experience and he definitely has a bright future in the NRL as a head coach so he’ll bounce back I think
All the very best to John Morris, he can walk away from this sordid saga with his dignity fully intact.
As a rookie head coach in the NRL, i have never seen anyone handle a bad situation better than JM.
I did not see this coming, blindsided by it to be honest..
Imagine if Josh Hannay won the premiership with the Sharks. That would be mental
It's a sad day in rugby league when Ben Ikin is the most knowledgeable and well spoken man on the panel. Jesus the other three clowns are stealing a living.
Ikin is talking sense. Morris has done a terrific job given his circumstances. He doesn't have the credentials of Fitzgibbon which makes his stint as coach even more impressive. Cronulla have always let go of their young players over the years - Kent has no idea what he's talking about. Morris has blooded so many.
Morris future will be fine, he's already proved he can coach. Fitzgibbon will be tested, anyone could coach at the Roosters with an international playing roster. I thought the Sharks were going to be the ones flying under the radar this year and surprise the whole comp, the club has just ruined that, but time will tell.
Yes exactly it’s easy to be an assistant at the Roosters when you’ve got International players everywhere and Fitzgibbon seems to have a bright future as a head coach but he has to prove it now and just Because he’s come out of a good system with a winning culture doesn’t mean he’ll succeed in the nrl just look at the assistants that came out of Melbourne like Stephen Kearney for example He had big raps on him aswell and coached NZ to a World Cup win in 2008 and still he didn’t succeed as a head coach in the nrl
@@gtmorgan4323 The Kiwis won that 2008 World Cup thanks to having Wayne Bennett as their assistant coach not that useless prick Kearney.
Paul Kent is just leaning on to the Sydney blokes, Waste of time for his explanations and suggestions
Miss Ben's facilitation as lead presenter, 2022.
Wow! Bet if Fitzgibbons didn’t have anything to do with roosters , Kenty and read wouldn’t be brown nosing him
and today Fitzgibbon has brought in Finucane. This was the right move as the Sharks needed to turnover the roster and they have basically done that with Fitzgibbon pulling the strings - players want to play for him
Gotta love this panel....
Johnson is not a player to build a team around.
Wow I actually agree with ikon can someone wake me up 😂
Sharks are fools. I would like to see Fitzy do well, however, Morris did a remarkable job.
It's so funny if Will Chambers goes to the sharks
Yeah it’s not the same cap even with out sharks missing 700k. And roosters have a lot more money they sharks do
noones ever let to finish a sentence on this show
players need to take more responsibility for the results of their team, its not all the coach
Kent’s a flop has to speak over everyone to get to no point
He thinks he’s one of the tough boys
The media make it out as if the coaches are the ones playing on the field...
Sharks are gonna get the spoon next year
Seriously, 0 and 11 against the top teams. I’m yet to see john Morris drop a ball repeatedly give away penalties not play well blah blah. Ffs what’s fitzy done, a great assistant at the roosters etc I recall Trent Barrett being the next gun coach bahahahahaha.
What they really expect Cronulla to excel under fitzy?
Seriously you have too feel for Morris but being knifed in the back is part and parcel
John Morris's biggest downfall = Shaun Johnson BIG MONEY + CONSTANTLY INJURED /Matt Moylan BIG MONEY + CONSTANTLY INJURED / Andrew Fifita BIG MONEY + CONSTANTLY INJURED / Josh Dugan BIG MONEY + CONSTANTLY INJURED / Balanced Salary Caps win Competitions..........Cronula's has been out of balance for the past 3 seasons
It’s hard to attract talent if your not a top team. It’s unfortunate but it’s the way it is. The only way to throw big money on players that probably aren’t worth that much.
@@NuuKola Have a look at the 2016 Cronula team that won the comp. A few old heads, a few rookies, and a few up and coming stars. But the distribution of the cap means a much more balanced team. I guess the curse of winning a comp means individuals worth goes up significantly on the market, hence ballooning the cap in the next few seasons.
NRL 360 Kent & Hoops should get there facts right on Reynolds saying that he was unhappy the way negotiations went at the sharks crap.These Media people are have zero idea what went on with the meeting where ever there getting the info from better shoot the messenger who gave them the lies.Maybe Kent or NRL 360 should ask Dino to come on the show and he will inform them of the truth.
As if getting will chambers in is a good decision
Ikin isn’t even a journalist a knows more than them
Seeing this in 2023 does not age well for two of these blokes. Pretty easy to see why one of them left voluntarily and is going great guns. Keep doing you BI.
Its like the new rule changes, not good when money make decisions about a sport they know nothing about
Paid to come up with points for and against and debate on telly. :)
🤣😂🤣 let it go, the shark's starting a new era round 6 2021 nrl 🤣😂🤣
ii agree with glasses. they want to win verse top teams. 0/11 isnt good
Interim coaches never goes well. But...assistant coach of roosters go to Titans who are doing not too bad.
Let’s see where the sharks finish next season.
Ain’t no one got a bigger axe to grind than Kenty
The club is more successful off field today because of council rezoning. It's not because of the chairman and the CEO. The land they developed has been proposed to council for over 40 years.
Is this a joke he will have a club to coach next season easy edit do you know how many player are off contract with sharks next season crazy
I can’t wait to see the sharks get pumped after this saga
I hope the sharks players just stand on the feild and do nothing
So just pretend it's the 80's 90's
Football journalists surprise with how much they don't know about football
Paul McGregor is lucky he wasn’t coaching the Sharks !
All im gonna say is, if you blow a 14 point lead, how do you blame the coach? Pathetic.
This is one of the dumbest gutless decisions I’ve ever seen from a club, his a very good coach who hasn’t had a fully fit squad since his been there. This is the first year they finally look like they could make top6 and they replace him. If I was a sharks fan I would complain
These guys talk like they’ve coached a NRL team before.
Ben is the only person know, what hes talking about,the other 3 just flounder around
It is amazing how clubs ditch a coach who builds a premiership contending team. Roosters did with Graham Murray and next year Ricky Stuart wins the premiership. It has happened to Anthony Griffin at the Broncos for Bennett and Penrith for Ivan Cleary. Good luck to the coaches who inherit the rosters built up by the previous coaches. Griffin must be a good coach if you look at the results versus the expectations of the 'Experts" for the Dragons this year. Do not know if he is a pork chop or not but to be successfull the club as a whole needs to be harmonious and if your club isn't doing too well then there are things going on that are not being exposed to the public which are dividing the club.
Those journos are completely out of their depth. They support their argument with "private" conversations which I bet never happen.
Anyone can coach the rooster n will do ok with those players
One year sharks come 2
Hate to be the dogs coach 4 weeks into next year goneèeeeeeeee
Sharks are winning tho,
It's always the coaches fault ... Ya right ... Got it ... 😏 ... The Players need to grow a pair ... Look in the mirror boy's cause you ain't half of what you think you are ... Embarrassing
I only listen to ben iken this is cringe
Wow, typical cop out attitude.