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As the owner of my original Hasbro Cybertron prime from 05, everything is still solid as a fuckin rock. Including the wheel springs. He was my favorite prime and actually only prime until I got the og Armada who's arm I shattered (gps). And then when I bought LE Armada prime, Cybertron prime was finally dethroned.
For me Optimus Prime will always be…optimus prime. Yeah idc what alt mode he takes Ive lived through every major change of his design throughout my life so to me all his alts modes are equally valid
Rid '01 Prime feels like a triumph while Cybertron Prime feels like victory lap. One, the payoff of going all out on a new design approach transitioning from the Beast Era, the other, a proud display of the perfected unicron trilogy engineering.
I do like a fire truck Prime. It makes sense to me for him to have a form that represents protection and safety. Something the humans will see and know he's someone trustworthy. Which, is also why I think Sentinel Prime being a fire truck in Dark of the Moon was a superb choice. You trusted that fire truck? Whoooops!
We can't forget that the megatron figures that came out with these 2 were absolute bangers too. Complete props on the designers for making amazing leader figures for each series.
You know, considering how liberal HasTak has been with “you exist?” characters over the two years, Yellow Splendid Convoy might have a greater chance at being released than we might think.
this is also why I'm against rid2001 Prime being done as a Haslab for one, I'm not sure how you'd justify it as a haslab over a Commander and for two, if its a haslab, the odds of a Yellow Splendid Convoy redeco become less likely
Funny how I didn't get to around to watching this until now, just after they confirmed that Haslab. I never did get to own either of these growing up. RID2001, my mom had them both on layaway and lost them. She bought me the small spychanger versions as a way of saying "sorry." Cybertron Prime, I had to drop out of the collecting game due to my mom and I falling on hard times. That said, looking over the RID Prime and how amazing the original toy was, I am beyond stoked to back the Haslab. Almost as if I'm getting another chance to get both him and Magnus after so many years and after coming so close to almost having them. From the presentation video, it seems as though they've take whatever nitpicks and flaws the original had and did what they could to improve while adding the modern atriculation and engineering. All while making it like a love letter to those who loved and cherished those originals from over 20 years ago.
The Takara version is in my possession as well and it’s my biggest accomplishment in terms of collecting. Just because I was able to grab it boxed from shear luck. And Toy Guy and I were talking, I’m almost 100% certain TF&RO ripped off the force chip. It’s exactly the same. Also another fun fact, the Japanese detail changes make it way more accurate.
@@DrLockdown par for the course ofc. In my video I stressed that unless you’re huge abo it the pinned in wings, I’d just get whatever you can get just to experience the fun of the figure.
I feel that the super mode slightly goes to Cybertron. In this case, it seems like a "less is more" situation, and a beauty in simplicity. It takes an already beefy boy, and makes him a tall, imposing, born to be a leader, massive bad ass WITH WINGS, and the backpack adds more depth to the back so it isn't just flat. In my own opinion, I think that super modes that look TOO different from their base form feels like an entirely different transformer, rather than powered up. In RID's case, if I was completely unaware of RID, and I saw base robot mode standing next to super mode, I would have no idea that they are the same transformer. Cybertron on the other hand, you can immediately tell they are the same one, but is powered up and means business. The fact I can tell it's the same figure with an extremely similar robot mode, feels like I actually powered the guy up rather than turning him into something else. Cybertron Prime when in supermode actually FEELS like a Prime in all it's stature. The other while looking great, feels like a red combiner with almost no similarities to both it's own Optimus robot mode, or Optimus in general, other than head design, which we've seen many other transformers have a similar heads. Trying newer concepts and outside the box things is cool, but it doesn't always necessarily mean it worked out perfectly or executes it better than something that follows a tried and true method. This is at least why I think Cybertron edges out in Supermode, at least.
One giant issue with Cybertron Optimus is that the springs in his hip ratchets are so strong that _they actually break the plastic wells around them and cause the ratchets to fail completely._ At least, that's what I've been told, but mine are just gone. It is fortunate that his center of weight in combined mode is so good because he can still stand upright despite of that, getting him to stay that way is just a bit trickier proposal.
43:47 100% is a reference to Lio Convoy. Since Fire Convoy does exist in the G1 timeline, he is outfitted with an Energon Matrix like Lio Convoy. One of my favorite details on the toy. Love when transformers has consistent technology. So cool.
As someone who owned both as a child, there's only one winner for super mode - Cybertron. The RiD figure was just a frustrating mess to play with in super mode and would just come apart at the torso/shoulder constantly in play, whilst Cybertron was a solid unit and held together superbly. Also, not sure if I missed you mentioning a couple of extra play features for the two. RiD's ladder can extend to an absurb length and Cybertron's trailer parts can be used to make a weapons platform.
I came in rooting for rid optimus as the underdog of the versus, expecting cybertron optimus to win. I guess as they say, always bet on red. Fantastic video by the way and yeah both are amazing.
You know what? You’re making me want an “RID 2000 Universe” Optimus Prime figure in whatever toyline follows United. I’d love a Cybertron Optimus update (GUOP is nice but I’d love a full redo severed from Siege Magnus’s nonsense), but old Fire Convoy needs one more on the grand scheme of things. Also, if you want to know what I’d do to make Optimus fresh again- make him a Unimog (slap some storage containers on his back that contain his Ion Cannon and Energon axe), give him the Powermaster transformation, and give him the Machine Wars chest (so he doesn’t have a faux chest).
AGREED. Machine Wars in general is overdue for an update (we’ve already got Hubcap and Hoist’s head and Starscream’s body ready thanks to Buzzworthy Tow-Line and Evolution Skyquake/Dreadwing)
One thing i like to keep in mind is the distinction between Action Figures that are car robots, and Toys that are car robots. CHUG are Action Figures that are car robots. Things like Power Rangers, UT transformers, etc are Toys that are car robots. It's a bit of a vague categorization, probably between the focus on articulation or solidity/gimmicks. Both are valid, both are great, but i see it as something interesting to think about. Also as someone who owns both, they're both the goats.
On the note of RiD (2001) I was on the TFW2005 thread for Legacy United Magmatron earlier and one of the commenters brought up Gigatron getting a new mold as well as the size difference between him and Omega Prime (2001 Optimus and Magnus' combined form) was quite noticable as Gigatron only came up to Omega Prime's waist and it got me to wonder if a more modern itneration fo the figures would have the same size differences
53:55 They ask you how you are, and you just have to say that you're fine, when you're not really fine, but you just can't get into it because they would never understand.
My understanding is that the chair attached the ladder of RiD Prime is compatible with Diaclone pilots as a throwback to the original Car Robots that predated Transformers.
I loved RID Prime for how unique he was for his time and I actually got into Transfomers around the Cybertron series even knowing that a childhood friend owned that version of prime back in the day. Without a doubt Prime as a Fire Engine really is a wonderful concept.
The only thing RID 2001 Prime has going, at least for me personally, is the kickass super mode and the flip out cannons on the firetruck mode. Though, I never really cared much for said firetruck mode or the wonky looking core robot. As for Cybertron Prime, he has everything going for him, from the awesome proportions to the visually interesting gribled and angular fire truck mode, not to mention the flight mode and the cyber key functionality. He is straight up the definition of "toyetic" with a chunky conversion that has you making little boom and whoosh noises as you peg various parts into place. So if given the option, I would absolutely go for Cybertron Prime.
Two of my teen favourites. I really like the fire truck aesthetic on Prime. It was cool to see it return in Animated... which was like 15 years ago now 👀
It's a tough pick for me for which one I think is better. RID was my first Transformers show after the Beast era and so he was the first Optimus Prime I ever saw in action but then there's Cybertron Prime with, "oUr wORlds ARe iN daNGeR!!" with the banger theme and his super mode. Both are great figures that I've love to own.
I got the Galaxy Prime from siege, and he's delightful. A few parts of the transformation are a pain, but the look is fun and makes me wanna swoosh him and shout "GALAXY CONVOY, TRAAAANSFOOORM!" It's doing something right. 😁 I'm glad the original is just as cool
Love them both, greatest Optimus prime toys ever in looks and playability, wish my cybertron one had its gun to really feel evened out. Cybertron prime and the whole show he came from really formed almost everything about my taste in things that I endlessly enjoy and continue to enjoy over the years and every bit of praise for it gives me great joy Something interesting is that the cybertron trailer was used only twice in the show as a weapon. A BFG to attack Starscream and Thundercracker, prime didn’t even use it against thundercracker as scattershot got the honor so that’s neat Edit:oh yeah and going back to the Brave series really enhances the enjoyment of 2000’s transformers seeing where so many concepts came from whether it be design or story
I had gotten an incomplete version of galaxy prime from a friend when I was seven. It was my favorite Optimus prime but i lost one the the foot things and the windows broke off from year on play. Late later I found a fully complete one for 40 usd. Absolute highway robbery
It's funny. My original prediction was omega prime. Then the image of primus came out, so I ammended the ending. But my original assumption was correct anyway
Funny enough I used the 10% off to get a 2001 Fire Convoy for my self. Although it ended up coming without his pistol. Finally getting a Magnus for Omega Prime.
This is one of those reviews where I have both figures, grew up with both figures, and absolutely LOVE both figures and yeah I admit I have rose tinted glasses. Personally I think both are perfect.
No, Dr. Lockdown, no. RID01 Optimus should NOT be a HasLab! There is literally nothing abt the character that would warrant a HasLab. Hes not a big, over-complicated design that would need a HasLab (average) budget nor be hard to do at normal retail (in general). The idea of making RID01 Optimus into a HasLab is the stupidest idea I've ever heard! RID01/Car Robots in Disguise Optimus Prime SHOULD be a Legacy/Legacy-style Commander Class! Look at Armada Prime, hes Commander Class, so RID01 Optimus could & should get the same treatment. HasLabs are for obscure enough characters that won't sell well (in comparison to other characters) at normal retail & would need the higher budget (Deathsaurus & Star Saber), or characters who are just flat out huge that can't be sold at normal retail nor be done with the normal retail/mainline prices/budget (Unicron). RID Optimus would be easy to do at a Commander price point. Commander Class would be PERFECT for RID01 Optimus Prime & maybe, just maybe, if they have enough room, they can include a little minifigure of T-AI, but they don't necessarily have to do that, if they don't want to, or if they just can't due to budgetary reasons. I really want a Commander Class RID01 Universe Optimus Prime! His (base robot) design is awesome & his Super Mode is just cool! & I like multiple alt-modes for Optimus. I like him as a flat-nose truck, like in G1, the Knightverse, Cyberverse, etc. I like him as a long-nose, Peterbilt-esque truck like TFP. I like him as a Volvo VNR-esque truck like EarthSpark (& ofc VNR Optimus figure himself). & I like him as a firetruck like in TFA, RID01, etc. Pretty much all truck modes for Optimus are great. & in the articulation segment of the video, you showed off that OG RID01 Optimus (base robot) has pretty much all the standard articulation, then later you said he doesn't. Why did you lie later on in this video? He does have standard articulation, pretty much. & for some reason you called Studio Series RotB Optimus Prime SS105 instead of 102. SS RotB Optimus is SS102, not SS105. SS105 is Mirage. & Imo RotB Optimus's truck mode is awesome & the back of the truck is not perfect, but very insignificant. It really doesn't bother me much at all. & I really need SS RotB Optimus so badly! Hes a masterpiece! I really hope his normal Studio Series release comes out REALLY soon, like March-May 2024 at the earliest! Edit: & also, Legacy Knockout is perfectly fine. Yes, he could've & should've been better, but hes fine, hes not bad. & I want a Legacy TFP Breakdown so badly! I love Breakdown & it was so sad that he died in the worst of ways! :(
I personally really want RID01 Prime to just be a commander. Haslab is awesome but I dropped 500 dollars to own Victory Saber and Deathsaurus (convenient EBay lot that was probably my only shot) and I don’t want to spend that much again, and I have a nagging feeling that FOMO will pull me into buying it eventually
I've had these two in my collection for about as long as I can remember. Great run down, and reasoning, but subjectively Cybertron Prime wins hands down. Conceptually RID Prime is a fantastic design, but for me not a fun time as he carries over a lot of the same engineering, and plastic quality as the Beast Wars era, and that's not great for longevity or durability. Also don't like the squeaky joints, and flimsy feel of the toy especially in combined mode. Though to be absolutely fair other than a cracked wheel in the front, scuffed chrome (which I'm not even a fan to begin with) and cracked trailer hinge on one of the arms he's done really well. Dug him and Magnus out of storage last year and puzzled together their combined mode which for the most part can all holds together decently for as involved as it is. Would be really cool to see a Legacy Commander with the execution of today's figures. Cybertron Prime while minimal in articulation is still a fun, durable, chunky toy to mess around with, and holding together as well as the day I bought him. Definitely a massive improvement over the Armada/Energon iterations. Unlike Armada Prime, and obviously Energon Prime I really feel there isn't much Hasbro could improve here other than add some articulation, and downsize him which they've already done with the abysmal Legacy Retool. Not hating on it for those who like it just that it felt like a major downgrade, and owning the Nova prime which is pretty great still hate that his enormous guns are completely hollowed out. Lastly not sure if it was a joke given how universally hated the Mirage mode is but FWIW I really like him despite his kibble issues.
For me personally as someone who grew up with both the Cybertron Prime (traded my Armada Unicron to my friend for him in elementary school) and the RID Prime/Magnus Costo reissue set…I absolutely *hated* playing with Super Mode RID Prime. It has a lot of cool ideas, but that son of a bitch *constantly* fell apart during play, like, to a ridiculous level. The regular bot head kept pushing up the plate the super mode head sat on in combined form, the shoulders fell off a lot, and the truck often separated…I just didn’t like it. It didn’t feel fun to play with, so he usually just stood there. Granted, he did look hella cool in all mods, but Cybetron Prime *felt* good to mess with and display. You could club a kid’s head in with him and he’d still be good to go. Idk, I just miss those days of sheer toy solidity and chonk. I guess it just depends on what a collector prioritizes.
RiD Prime's Super Mode is perfection to me because it drastically changes how he looks and it works spectactularly while still looking like Prime. Cybertron's is just kind of half assed in my opinion. Is it cool? Yes. But all they did was slap wings on him and give him some guns and shoes. He doesn't necessarily changed, it's still the exact same design. It works, don't get me wrong but it just doesn't hold up the same as Super Mode RiD Prime. And don't even get me started on the magnificence of Omega Prime.
Unrelated: just got the dna upgrade kit for gamer prime. Put short: I got it for the taillights, shoulder wheels, and gun handle, but I'll be darned if the axes (first production run bonus is a secod axe, for which I refuse to use the American spelling) arent nice as gosh diggidy darn, and large enough to be used as an actual tool for proper humans. And I thought the stock axe was sufficient. (After painting the blades, of course.)
For me the cybertron Optimus prime is my personal choice out of the two but RID Optimus prime isn’t that bad of a design either. The way the RID Optimus uses those missle racks as both feet and weaponry reminds me of the fossilizers and weaponizers
Something Armada and Beast Wars ingrained into me for an ideal Optimus Prime design is that he'd be the burliest of the Autobots, but shorter than the average Decepticon until he went into his super mode. Cybertron's proportions help lend themselves to that in my mind since, on a shelf, the larger head means he looks smaller than he is, and thus the super mode makes him look like he gains more mass than he does. It tricks your brain into seeing a mass shift that isn't there even in the actual show.
Just found the RID prime a few days ago, got him in a pair with RID ultra Magnus pretty sure I got a good deal was really worth it, still need to get the cybertron /galaxy prime
I would love a new RID Prime, and they'll definitely do one, but it's Optimus and will always be a retail item and not a haslab, as per Hasbro’s own words. The example I always point to is Legacy Lio Prime, which the original toy wasn't even originally released in the United States unlike RID Prime.
I grew up with the micheal bay movies and animated designs so im used to those two designs more then these one but if i had to chose one i would go with rid optimus desighn i love the fireman esthetic but cubertron is good to 😊
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I guess the first wave of RID prime were actually takara versions and not Hasbro's take because I remember getting him the day the line launched as a per teen at Walmarts and the first time I used the missile launcher gimmick on the ladder all of them went shooting out across my room and I lost a missile lmao
I don’t look at any of the entries, but the franchise has only been mecha focused in its earliest form. After that, idol girls have pretty much dominated the franchise’s animated media.
I kinda hope R.I.D/Car Robots Optimus isnt a haslab item...basically Haslabs are Bandai Premiums. Ordered them before than after cause the after market would put you in internal debt. Im split between a regular retail release and haspab item cause FireConvoy is kinda obscure. Like I'm doing something with the Optimus Primes I have been collecting and if FireConvoy is a HS Item; I will still buy it but it would be an inconvenience to me personally. ((Never bought any HS figures before)
RID Optimus isn't obscure at all, he was a retail hasbro item as the name suggests back in the day. People get the chance to crowdfund anything and they ask for an Optimus Prime toy, the one character they said they WOULD NOT do for a Haslab? Lioconvoy got a retail figure, no reason why RID Prime shouldn't.
47:00 Isn't the issue with RiD2000 Prime that they literally can't use the design for new toys thanks to the show basically being partially owned by Disney? This was given as the explanation behind the rather more weird choices for reps of the series in legacy, the originall designs are off limits due to this problem.
Nope. Hasbro owns the designs, just not the dub specifically for the original show. The reason scourge looked so weird is because there was a miscommunication with the deco designer. It's on the wiki. He thought he was supposed to make a nemesis prime instead.
Amusingly, in the US version of Cybertron's toyline, Hasbro re-issued both the RiD 2001 Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus as a 2-pack, putting these molds in the same line as Cybertron Prime Those versions might be a bit more accessible than the original 2001 release in some areas
Potentially. I have wing Saber, but I'd probably want to get jetfire and Leo breaker first before than side of things. As for ultra Magnus, that'll happen as soon as I eventually get one.
Look at what the designers can do if they actually have freedom, it must suck to be a TF designer last decade just rehashing G1 designs. Also GF is the last TF anime 19 years ago now, Takara should have kept making anime all these years it would have made the brand bigger and more relevant, you could even have your kiddie shows like Cyberverse and at the same time have high quality anime, that teens and adults can enjoy. The anime shows were also great cause they expanded the franchise in terms of cast and ideas, Hasbro always play it safe reusing the same cast thus resulting in far fewer new characters and designs the last near two decades. Also, if they make anime now it could be super high quallity animation even if CG and they won't have to write around a gimmick. It's wasted a big wasted opportunity for the franchise.
Denser plastic, extra paint, chrome work, extra accessories. Hasbro has fully acknowledged he was conceived as a commander, but they realised they could make it infinitely better with a haslab budget. The chair I think is stupid, but everything else is nice.
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As the owner of my original Hasbro Cybertron prime from 05, everything is still solid as a fuckin rock. Including the wheel springs. He was my favorite prime and actually only prime until I got the og Armada who's arm I shattered (gps). And then when I bought LE Armada prime, Cybertron prime was finally dethroned.
For me Optimus Prime will always be…optimus prime. Yeah idc what alt mode he takes Ive lived through every major change of his design throughout my life so to me all his alts modes are equally valid
As I believe the TFWiki said Hasbro agrees that “Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime” regardless of continuity
What are your thoughts on dragon train optimus from Japan
@@killerwolff3048 I don’t see how its any different to rescue bots trex optimus prime. Optimus prime is optimus prime
@@Vavalry fair enough
another epic video! Bravo! I love these
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Rid '01 Prime feels like a triumph while Cybertron Prime feels like victory lap. One, the payoff of going all out on a new design approach transitioning from the Beast Era, the other, a proud display of the perfected unicron trilogy engineering.
That... actually describes them really poetically...
I do like a fire truck Prime. It makes sense to me for him to have a form that represents protection and safety. Something the humans will see and know he's someone trustworthy. Which, is also why I think Sentinel Prime being a fire truck in Dark of the Moon was a superb choice. You trusted that fire truck? Whoooops!
Also a pattern of being pretty well liked Optimus primes are fire trucks… or that’s just my bias I like every Optimus that was a firetruck
Also gives the trailer something to do rather than just being a hollow box of plastic
Ironic, I got both of these toys for Christmas in 2005. I couldn't decide which one I liked more, I loved them both equally.
You were one lucky kid, hope you took care of em well
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Oh I did, I still have them to this day and they both still have most of their parts in tact.
Living the dream
We can't forget that the megatron figures that came out with these 2 were absolute bangers too. Complete props on the designers for making amazing leader figures for each series.
If they do remake the RID01 for Generations, i really hope they do a yellow one because i can't stop seeing Yellow Convoy in him
You know, considering how liberal HasTak has been with “you exist?” characters over the two years, Yellow Splendid Convoy might have a greater chance at being released than we might think.
I kinda wanna get splendid yellow convoy after doing this video.
God damnit, research making me wanna buy toys.
@@DrLockdownDAMN YOU, TOYS!!!!!
@@DrLockdown Same
this is also why I'm against rid2001 Prime being done as a Haslab
for one, I'm not sure how you'd justify it as a haslab over a Commander
and for two, if its a haslab, the odds of a Yellow Splendid Convoy redeco become less likely
Funny how I didn't get to around to watching this until now, just after they confirmed that Haslab. I never did get to own either of these growing up. RID2001, my mom had them both on layaway and lost them. She bought me the small spychanger versions as a way of saying "sorry." Cybertron Prime, I had to drop out of the collecting game due to my mom and I falling on hard times.
That said, looking over the RID Prime and how amazing the original toy was, I am beyond stoked to back the Haslab. Almost as if I'm getting another chance to get both him and Magnus after so many years and after coming so close to almost having them. From the presentation video, it seems as though they've take whatever nitpicks and flaws the original had and did what they could to improve while adding the modern atriculation and engineering. All while making it like a love letter to those who loved and cherished those originals from over 20 years ago.
The Takara version is in my possession as well and it’s my biggest accomplishment in terms of collecting. Just because I was able to grab it boxed from shear luck. And Toy Guy and I were talking, I’m almost 100% certain TF&RO ripped off the force chip. It’s exactly the same. Also another fun fact, the Japanese detail changes make it way more accurate.
Well yeah, primarily because the anime based their model on the galaxy force version.
The toys came first, not the anime.
@@DrLockdown par for the course ofc. In my video I stressed that unless you’re huge abo it the pinned in wings, I’d just get whatever you can get just to experience the fun of the figure.
I feel that the super mode slightly goes to Cybertron. In this case, it seems like a "less is more" situation, and a beauty in simplicity. It takes an already beefy boy, and makes him a tall, imposing, born to be a leader, massive bad ass WITH WINGS, and the backpack adds more depth to the back so it isn't just flat. In my own opinion, I think that super modes that look TOO different from their base form feels like an entirely different transformer, rather than powered up. In RID's case, if I was completely unaware of RID, and I saw base robot mode standing next to super mode, I would have no idea that they are the same transformer. Cybertron on the other hand, you can immediately tell they are the same one, but is powered up and means business. The fact I can tell it's the same figure with an extremely similar robot mode, feels like I actually powered the guy up rather than turning him into something else.
Cybertron Prime when in supermode actually FEELS like a Prime in all it's stature. The other while looking great, feels like a red combiner with almost no similarities to both it's own Optimus robot mode, or Optimus in general, other than head design, which we've seen many other transformers have a similar heads. Trying newer concepts and outside the box things is cool, but it doesn't always necessarily mean it worked out perfectly or executes it better than something that follows a tried and true method.
This is at least why I think Cybertron edges out in Supermode, at least.
One giant issue with Cybertron Optimus is that the springs in his hip ratchets are so strong that _they actually break the plastic wells around them and cause the ratchets to fail completely._ At least, that's what I've been told, but mine are just gone. It is fortunate that his center of weight in combined mode is so good because he can still stand upright despite of that, getting him to stay that way is just a bit trickier proposal.
53:31 This aged like fine wine but 53:56 this aged like milk lmao
43:47 100% is a reference to Lio Convoy. Since Fire Convoy does exist in the G1 timeline, he is outfitted with an Energon Matrix like Lio Convoy. One of my favorite details on the toy. Love when transformers has consistent technology. So cool.
Yeah, tyleen thought so too, hence the annotation
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Cybertron prime actually used the flight mode ALOT in the show.
As someone who owned both as a child, there's only one winner for super mode - Cybertron.
The RiD figure was just a frustrating mess to play with in super mode and would just come apart at the torso/shoulder constantly in play, whilst Cybertron was a solid unit and held together superbly.
Also, not sure if I missed you mentioning a couple of extra play features for the two. RiD's ladder can extend to an absurb length and Cybertron's trailer parts can be used to make a weapons platform.
I came in rooting for rid optimus as the underdog of the versus, expecting cybertron optimus to win. I guess as they say, always bet on red.
Fantastic video by the way and yeah both are amazing.
*Notice the lack of Energon Optimus*
After seeing the newest Haslab reveal Im really surprised how well that RID Optimus holds up (visually at least)
You know what? You’re making me want an “RID 2000 Universe” Optimus Prime figure in whatever toyline follows United. I’d love a Cybertron Optimus update (GUOP is nice but I’d love a full redo severed from Siege Magnus’s nonsense), but old Fire Convoy needs one more on the grand scheme of things.
Also, if you want to know what I’d do to make Optimus fresh again- make him a Unimog (slap some storage containers on his back that contain his Ion Cannon and Energon axe), give him the Powermaster transformation, and give him the Machine Wars chest (so he doesn’t have a faux chest).
I think machine wars Optimus and thunderclash are massively overdue
AGREED. Machine Wars in general is overdue for an update (we’ve already got Hubcap and Hoist’s head and Starscream’s body ready thanks to Buzzworthy Tow-Line and Evolution Skyquake/Dreadwing)
One thing i like to keep in mind is the distinction between Action Figures that are car robots, and Toys that are car robots. CHUG are Action Figures that are car robots. Things like Power Rangers, UT transformers, etc are Toys that are car robots. It's a bit of a vague categorization, probably between the focus on articulation or solidity/gimmicks. Both are valid, both are great, but i see it as something interesting to think about.
Also as someone who owns both, they're both the goats.
Turns out the seat on the side of rid optimus prime's ladder can fit a diaclone microman.
On the note of RiD (2001) I was on the TFW2005 thread for Legacy United Magmatron earlier and one of the commenters brought up Gigatron getting a new mold as well as the size difference between him and Omega Prime (2001 Optimus and Magnus' combined form) was quite noticable as Gigatron only came up to Omega Prime's waist and it got me to wonder if a more modern itneration fo the figures would have the same size differences
I have a confession to make I bought the encore a omega prime It’s still on my shelf and it’s holding together so far bit wibbly in the waist though
Do you think 2001 Optimus Prime will ever get a modern take?
I damn well hope so
To put Cybertron Optimus Prime into perspective, he's basically GaoGaiGar and Leobreaker is his Goldymarg.
53:55 They ask you how you are, and you just have to say that you're fine, when you're not really fine, but you just can't get into it because they would never understand.
Tried putting that clip in, but it made the audio too cluttered
My understanding is that the chair attached the ladder of RiD Prime is compatible with Diaclone pilots as a throwback to the original Car Robots that predated Transformers.
I loved RID Prime for how unique he was for his time and I actually got into Transfomers around the Cybertron series even knowing that a childhood friend owned that version of prime back in the day. Without a doubt Prime as a Fire Engine really is a wonderful concept.
TF cybertron Optimus Prime is birth favorite literally
I just hope the haslab Fire Convoy fixes a lot of the issues
I would prefer they did fire convoy as a commander class
Hey doc, got a question for ya! What exactly did Macross do to the idols culture?
One of the first examples of idol anime. After that, idols became popular, eclipsing mecha.
Hot take rid 2001 it’s top 5 transformers shows
The only thing RID 2001 Prime has going, at least for me personally, is the kickass super mode and the flip out cannons on the firetruck mode. Though, I never really cared much for said firetruck mode or the wonky looking core robot.
As for Cybertron Prime, he has everything going for him, from the awesome proportions to the visually interesting gribled and angular fire truck mode, not to mention the flight mode and the cyber key functionality. He is straight up the definition of "toyetic" with a chunky conversion that has you making little boom and whoosh noises as you peg various parts into place.
So if given the option, I would absolutely go for Cybertron Prime.
Two of my teen favourites. I really like the fire truck aesthetic on Prime. It was cool to see it return in Animated... which was like 15 years ago now 👀
It's a tough pick for me for which one I think is better. RID was my first Transformers show after the Beast era and so he was the first Optimus Prime I ever saw in action but then there's Cybertron Prime with,
"oUr wORlds ARe iN daNGeR!!" with the banger theme and his super mode. Both are great figures that I've love to own.
And the winner is: Legacy Armada Optimus Prime!
I got the Galaxy Prime from siege, and he's delightful. A few parts of the transformation are a pain, but the look is fun and makes me wanna swoosh him and shout "GALAXY CONVOY, TRAAAANSFOOORM!"
It's doing something right. 😁 I'm glad the original is just as cool
So let me get this straight…
Rid2001 prime has a normal robot mode, a Super Mode, and then Another super mode with ultra magnus??
Yes.
So does Cybertron prime actually.
He predicted the next haslab
Love them both, greatest Optimus prime toys ever in looks and playability, wish my cybertron one had its gun to really feel evened out.
Cybertron prime and the whole show he came from really formed almost everything about my taste in things that I endlessly enjoy and continue to enjoy over the years and every bit of praise for it gives me great joy
Something interesting is that the cybertron trailer was used only twice in the show as a weapon. A BFG to attack Starscream and Thundercracker, prime didn’t even use it against thundercracker as scattershot got the honor so that’s neat
Edit:oh yeah and going back to the Brave series really enhances the enjoyment of 2000’s transformers seeing where so many concepts came from whether it be design or story
I LOVE FIRE ENGINE OPTIMUS ITS SO HEROIC
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Dang dude. This video is underated
What’s the toy name of the little scourge at 8:14
Spychanger
I had gotten an incomplete version of galaxy prime from a friend when I was seven. It was my favorite Optimus prime but i lost one the the foot things and the windows broke off from year on play. Late later I found a fully complete one for 40 usd. Absolute highway robbery
both?
both.
both is good.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH-
OH HOW WRONG IN THE BEST WAY YOU WERE AT THE END THERE
It's funny. My original prediction was omega prime.
Then the image of primus came out, so I ammended the ending.
But my original assumption was correct anyway
Happy 150th Review Doc. Good to see you get a mention in the latest Thew video as well.
Funny enough I used the 10% off to get a 2001 Fire Convoy for my self. Although it ended up coming without his pistol. Finally getting a Magnus for Omega Prime.
This is one of those reviews where I have both figures, grew up with both figures, and absolutely LOVE both figures and yeah I admit I have rose tinted glasses. Personally I think both are perfect.
You thought I wouldn’t recognize the Astral Chain HQ music in the background. But I did notice. I. Did. Notice.
Lol at Todd Howard, I got the reference.
I do have the RID Optimus Prime and just bought Cybertron Galaxy Force Prime it's arriving tomorrow.
No, Dr. Lockdown, no. RID01 Optimus should NOT be a HasLab! There is literally nothing abt the character that would warrant a HasLab. Hes not a big, over-complicated design that would need a HasLab (average) budget nor be hard to do at normal retail (in general). The idea of making RID01 Optimus into a HasLab is the stupidest idea I've ever heard! RID01/Car Robots in Disguise Optimus Prime SHOULD be a Legacy/Legacy-style Commander Class! Look at Armada Prime, hes Commander Class, so RID01 Optimus could & should get the same treatment. HasLabs are for obscure enough characters that won't sell well (in comparison to other characters) at normal retail & would need the higher budget (Deathsaurus & Star Saber), or characters who are just flat out huge that can't be sold at normal retail nor be done with the normal retail/mainline prices/budget (Unicron). RID Optimus would be easy to do at a Commander price point. Commander Class would be PERFECT for RID01 Optimus Prime & maybe, just maybe, if they have enough room, they can include a little minifigure of T-AI, but they don't necessarily have to do that, if they don't want to, or if they just can't due to budgetary reasons. I really want a Commander Class RID01 Universe Optimus Prime! His (base robot) design is awesome & his Super Mode is just cool!
& I like multiple alt-modes for Optimus. I like him as a flat-nose truck, like in G1, the Knightverse, Cyberverse, etc. I like him as a long-nose, Peterbilt-esque truck like TFP. I like him as a Volvo VNR-esque truck like EarthSpark (& ofc VNR Optimus figure himself). & I like him as a firetruck like in TFA, RID01, etc. Pretty much all truck modes for Optimus are great.
& in the articulation segment of the video, you showed off that OG RID01 Optimus (base robot) has pretty much all the standard articulation, then later you said he doesn't. Why did you lie later on in this video? He does have standard articulation, pretty much.
& for some reason you called Studio Series RotB Optimus Prime SS105 instead of 102. SS RotB Optimus is SS102, not SS105. SS105 is Mirage. & Imo RotB Optimus's truck mode is awesome & the back of the truck is not perfect, but very insignificant. It really doesn't bother me much at all. & I really need SS RotB Optimus so badly! Hes a masterpiece! I really hope his normal Studio Series release comes out REALLY soon, like March-May 2024 at the earliest!
Edit: & also, Legacy Knockout is perfectly fine. Yes, he could've & should've been better, but hes fine, hes not bad. & I want a Legacy TFP Breakdown so badly! I love Breakdown & it was so sad that he died in the worst of ways! :(
I personally really want RID01 Prime to just be a commander. Haslab is awesome but I dropped 500 dollars to own Victory Saber and Deathsaurus (convenient EBay lot that was probably my only shot) and I don’t want to spend that much again, and I have a nagging feeling that FOMO will pull me into buying it eventually
I've had these two in my collection for about as long as I can remember. Great run down, and reasoning, but subjectively Cybertron Prime wins hands down. Conceptually RID Prime is a fantastic design, but for me not a fun time as he carries over a lot of the same engineering, and plastic quality as the Beast Wars era, and that's not great for longevity or durability. Also don't like the squeaky joints, and flimsy feel of the toy especially in combined mode. Though to be absolutely fair other than a cracked wheel in the front, scuffed chrome (which I'm not even a fan to begin with) and cracked trailer hinge on one of the arms he's done really well. Dug him and Magnus out of storage last year and puzzled together their combined mode which for the most part can all holds together decently for as involved as it is. Would be really cool to see a Legacy Commander with the execution of today's figures. Cybertron Prime while minimal in articulation is still a fun, durable, chunky toy to mess around with, and holding together as well as the day I bought him. Definitely a massive improvement over the Armada/Energon iterations. Unlike Armada Prime, and obviously Energon Prime I really feel there isn't much Hasbro could improve here other than add some articulation, and downsize him which they've already done with the abysmal Legacy Retool. Not hating on it for those who like it just that it felt like a major downgrade, and owning the Nova prime which is pretty great still hate that his enormous guns are completely hollowed out. Lastly not sure if it was a joke given how universally hated the Mirage mode is but FWIW I really like him despite his kibble issues.
For me personally as someone who grew up with both the Cybertron Prime (traded my Armada Unicron to my friend for him in elementary school) and the RID Prime/Magnus Costo reissue set…I absolutely *hated* playing with Super Mode RID Prime. It has a lot of cool ideas, but that son of a bitch *constantly* fell apart during play, like, to a ridiculous level. The regular bot head kept pushing up the plate the super mode head sat on in combined form, the shoulders fell off a lot, and the truck often separated…I just didn’t like it. It didn’t feel fun to play with, so he usually just stood there. Granted, he did look hella cool in all mods, but Cybetron Prime *felt* good to mess with and display. You could club a kid’s head in with him and he’d still be good to go. Idk, I just miss those days of sheer toy solidity and chonk. I guess it just depends on what a collector prioritizes.
RiD Prime's Super Mode is perfection to me because it drastically changes how he looks and it works spectactularly while still looking like Prime. Cybertron's is just kind of half assed in my opinion. Is it cool? Yes. But all they did was slap wings on him and give him some guns and shoes. He doesn't necessarily changed, it's still the exact same design. It works, don't get me wrong but it just doesn't hold up the same as Super Mode RiD Prime. And don't even get me started on the magnificence of Omega Prime.
Unrelated: just got the dna upgrade kit for gamer prime. Put short: I got it for the taillights, shoulder wheels, and gun handle, but I'll be darned if the axes (first production run bonus is a secod axe, for which I refuse to use the American spelling) arent nice as gosh diggidy darn, and large enough to be used as an actual tool for proper humans. And I thought the stock axe was sufficient. (After painting the blades, of course.)
Bro
At least cybertron prime can still be playable without the trailer
Unlike r.i.d 01
That point is hella unfair
For me the cybertron Optimus prime is my personal choice out of the two but RID Optimus prime isn’t that bad of a design either. The way the RID Optimus uses those missle racks as both feet and weaponry reminds me of the fossilizers and weaponizers
Something Armada and Beast Wars ingrained into me for an ideal Optimus Prime design is that he'd be the burliest of the Autobots, but shorter than the average Decepticon until he went into his super mode. Cybertron's proportions help lend themselves to that in my mind since, on a shelf, the larger head means he looks smaller than he is, and thus the super mode makes him look like he gains more mass than he does. It tricks your brain into seeing a mass shift that isn't there even in the actual show.
Just found the RID prime a few days ago, got him in a pair with RID ultra Magnus pretty sure I got a good deal was really worth it, still need to get the cybertron /galaxy prime
I would love a new RID Prime, and they'll definitely do one, but it's Optimus and will always be a retail item and not a haslab, as per Hasbro’s own words. The example I always point to is Legacy Lio Prime, which the original toy wasn't even originally released in the United States unlike RID Prime.
I grew up with the micheal bay movies and animated designs so im used to those two designs more then these one but if i had to chose one i would go with rid optimus desighn i love the fireman esthetic but cubertron is good to 😊
14:43 TJ JUMPSCARE
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Honestly the “am I a joke to you” bit wasn’t too far off from what Big Convoy probably would sound like in English
12:44 I LOVE THAT RAILGUN/MIKOTO REFERENCE!!!
If fire convoy gets the commander treatment it'll be my second childhood dream toy (first being legacy armada prime)
oh i had that cybertron one as a kid, pretty sure i got it from a garage sale, since i don't remember the back pack....
I guess the first wave of RID prime were actually takara versions and not Hasbro's take because I remember getting him the day the line launched as a per teen at Walmarts and the first time I used the missile launcher gimmick on the ladder all of them went shooting out across my room and I lost a missile lmao
I prefer the Cybertron Prime over the RID 2001 version hands-down.
28:46 jokes on you im INTO FLAT GIR- I MEAN ROBOTS!!!
"perhaps a haslab"
now if only hasbro didn't ban optimus prime from the haslabs
Mate you put the super mode feet on RID01 Prime the wrong way around.
both of these figures demand a commander class update
23:49 my childhood favourite transformers
What did Macross have to do with anime idols?
Bro, come on. Do you know anything about Macross?
I don’t look at any of the entries, but the franchise has only been mecha focused in its earliest form. After that, idol girls have pretty much dominated the franchise’s animated media.
Macross was one of the first instances of idol anime.
From there, idol anime dominated Japaneses culture, and mecha waned in popularity.
Thanks for clarifiyng. @DrLockdown
Btw energron and cybertron downshift please 🙏
OMG he mentioned rebrickable :)
Shark
Shar
Agreed on the cyberkeys, they’re just the best
I hope to locate some decent UT stuff on buyee lol
Nope we got omega prime haslab in the end
I really like Amazon Impactor
I kinda hope R.I.D/Car Robots Optimus isnt a haslab item...basically Haslabs are Bandai Premiums. Ordered them before than after cause the after market would put you in internal debt. Im split between a regular retail release and haspab item cause FireConvoy is kinda obscure. Like I'm doing something with the Optimus Primes I have been collecting and if FireConvoy is a HS Item; I will still buy it but it would be an inconvenience to me personally. ((Never bought any HS figures before)
RID Optimus isn't obscure at all, he was a retail hasbro item as the name suggests back in the day. People get the chance to crowdfund anything and they ask for an Optimus Prime toy, the one character they said they WOULD NOT do for a Haslab? Lioconvoy got a retail figure, no reason why RID Prime shouldn't.
And Minicons.. gotta Catch em all.
47:00 Isn't the issue with RiD2000 Prime that they literally can't use the design for new toys thanks to the show basically being partially owned by Disney?
This was given as the explanation behind the rather more weird choices for reps of the series in legacy, the originall designs are off limits due to this problem.
Nope.
Hasbro owns the designs, just not the dub specifically for the original show.
The reason scourge looked so weird is because there was a miscommunication with the deco designer. It's on the wiki. He thought he was supposed to make a nemesis prime instead.
Amusingly, in the US version of Cybertron's toyline, Hasbro re-issued both the RiD 2001 Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus as a 2-pack, putting these molds in the same line as Cybertron Prime
Those versions might be a bit more accessible than the original 2001 release in some areas
Possibly.
And likely better built than the encore version.
Love the Doctor Who memes keep it up
Will this video get a follow-up comparing Omega Prime to Sonic Wing Mode (and maybe the energon combined supermodes for a laugh?)
Potentially. I have wing Saber, but I'd probably want to get jetfire and Leo breaker first before than side of things.
As for ultra Magnus, that'll happen as soon as I eventually get one.
Look at what the designers can do if they actually have freedom, it must suck to be a TF designer last decade just rehashing G1 designs. Also GF is the last TF anime 19 years ago now, Takara should have kept making anime all these years it would have made the brand bigger and more relevant, you could even have your kiddie shows like Cyberverse and at the same time have high quality anime, that teens and adults can enjoy.
The anime shows were also great cause they expanded the franchise in terms of cast and ideas, Hasbro always play it safe reusing the same cast thus resulting in far fewer new characters and designs the last near two decades. Also, if they make anime now it could be super high quallity animation even if CG and they won't have to write around a gimmick. It's wasted a big wasted opportunity for the franchise.
Might seem pedantic, but it wasn't quite the last anime.
Q transformers exists.
Omg your so funny. Love it
Thank you MACROSS!!!!
I'm still confused how deathsaurus couldn't have been don't in mainline.
Sure you wouldn't get the throne, but does it actually do anything special?
Denser plastic, extra paint, chrome work, extra accessories.
Hasbro has fully acknowledged he was conceived as a commander, but they realised they could make it infinitely better with a haslab budget.
The chair I think is stupid, but everything else is nice.
Hope you'll have a good day