@@Sir-Prizse First time I encountered him, he threw me out of the building through the shop's glass window. After a little back and forth, he grabbed me again and threw me back in through another window. Good times :D
I'll never understand why John puts final versions or pro versions on the left of the screen and alpha versions or base versions on the right. People read left to right (in English at least), before and after, etc. Such a strange choice.
@@sadstormtrooper yes...I tried myself several times. But the lower textures on the face and body were already off-putting and disappointing. I uploaded that segment in my channel with my full gameplay walkthrough after multiple attempts and rather chose to take the fight outside.
I can't remember if it happened elsewhere in the game, but while playing this segment the guy threw me through the glass doorway, smashing all the glass
The amount of customization this game offers is on a whole other level. The High Contrast mode is so useful for finding items. The 4 directional swipe on the track-pad and the (shake controller) gives you 5 extra mappable buttons. The difficulty can be customized to your liking; I put everything on Survivor with AI Partner on Normal and Materials on Normal because it makes sense your AI Partner isn't useless. Full control bindings and renaming your Custom Controls, many options that almost feels like cheats sometime, served to help handicapped player as well. Enhanced directional audio cues and sounds helped impaired players. People can hate on this game because of it's story but I swear the level of interactivity, and the wide range of customization makes this game stand above everything else. All the customizable settings in this game alone should be a fucking industry standard.
They started making the game in the beginning of the generation to deliver at the end, even though they couldn't achieve their own expectations. That's a bad sign. Then you will need a Pro version of the console in the middle of the generation to get close, but not there, where you planned.
@@hotdogcandy yeah, i'm expecting more framerate rather than more resolution to be the focus on ps5. But, if you remember correctly TLOU 1 had a pretty nice graphics overhaul from ps3 to ps4 so who knows what they'll do!
That downgrade is why developers shouldn't focus on having their games run on two generations. That's why I'm glad Sony is demanding developers focus on ps5 rather than on compromising quality by also releasing on ps4
You can actually play it by unpacking a file of the game and changing a few settings from OFF to ON. Literally. Search TheWorseMod. It's not really a mod, that's just the default files already "modified" and ready to use. You can also find the tool to make the changes yourself.
@@edwin99901 Sony can't demand developers focus on the PS5 lol, publishers are a business and like it or not, money matters to them a lot and if they target the new gen of consoles whiles the vast majority of gamers are on this gen of consoles, it won't look good for their bank balance. This is why we always get a transition of about 2 to 3 years from old gen to new gen to allow the market share to grow enough to warrant targeting new gen only. In other words, expect most games to target this gen and mid tier PC's for the next 2 years with extra bells and whistles for the PC and next gen consoles for about 2 or so years, maybe even longer if this pandemic harms sales of the next gen consoles that it takes longer for them to gain real market share. If developers were forced as you say to develop for next gen only, many won't even bother because the cost would be high and the risk would be high considering the market share of the next gen will be tiny, Sony are many things, but they are not that crazy to push developers..
Recently I was quite stunned by the animation of Ellie grabbing an enemy in the middle of standing up. It was so smooth despite the grab could have happened at any timing during the standing up motion. Really impressive. I can see why some start-up animations have been shortened, for gameplay/reactivity reasons, but there are some others things not holding up to the promises.
Agreed. When he was talking about it, there was a clip of her dodging in the final version and it looked a bit clunky, but maybe it needed to be that way for gameplay.
What a liar this DF journalist!! ;-) Compare the enemy character model detail, shading /lighting of the face @ the 10:00 min mark MASSIVE DOWNGRADE in the final game!! He blatantly ignores it lol :-))) Or the detail on the ground around the 5:00 min mark!! E3 2018 Demo is clearly superior in terms of detail, textures and lighting!!
You just have to look at it from the perspective as CD Projekt Red used when they were confronted about the graphical downgrades in _The Witcher 3:_ What you saw in the trailers wasn't actually a complete game yet so there was nothing to downgrade. Yeah, I don't buy it either. It's like when developers claim it's not censorship if they decide to change something prior to release in order to achieve the ESRB rating they're aiming for. Apparently, downgrades and censorship only apply to things when it occurs _after_ release. 🙄🤷♂️
Yeah it seems if they grab you and one is near by it will select a surface like that to throw you over. ALSO another small nuance, Ellie does pull back the hammer of the pistol like she does under the car in the trailer. It isn't contextual though, it happens after aiming for a set amount of time in the game.
@@SPM0717 Astonishing means "extremely surprising or impressive; amazing." Would you have taken umbrage if they said the gameplay was amazing? It's all personal preference. But you calling it hyperbole seems to indicate to me you think the gameplay might be good, but it simply can't be THAT good - they are exaggerating. And given hyperbole is defined, essentially, as intended exaggeration not meant to be taken literally...I'm not sure what you're going for here lol.
If the demo had never existed to set any expectation, coming into this game blind would have had me stunned with the animation work on display. Bravo Naughty Dog. That rope physics tho
oh yesss the lighting is the best I have ever seen in a game wow incredible graphics and gameplay is soo good and feels realistic. which oled tv do you have?
Basically it's "close enough" which is kudos to the developers, but the trailer just included all the details that can make the final 5% towards reality.
Did you play it on survival? I want to point out that enemy pattern and animation varies greatly depending on what difficulty you're on. I ran some Tests and on moderate difficulty the Human enemies behave in a much more "stiff" and "video-game like" way with fewer animatio than on survival mode.
Yes exactly. Play it with the enemy A.I. set to Survivor at least. The humans act like real humans and the infected are much faster. But you can put player damage on what ever setting you'd like. I'm playing my second play through with Very Light damage and resources so I don't die and Survivor difficulty for enemies so they act more realisticly.
Yeah survival ai is crazy. Watching playthrough videos of people playing at the lesser difficulties the ai seems stupid, but when I played through it I was constantly impressed at the animations and behavior of the ai. They would literally see me if Poké my head out for more than a second and flank me.
Probably the best looking game I've ever played. The amount of detail is insane. It's crazy what they pulled off on the PS4. I can't wait to see what first party developers can pull off on PS5.
The film grain ruins it, it looks awful with that effect god knows why developers think it looks good. Well it doesn't it just looks like a load of noise.
@@kraenk12 no mate it's a film grain effect some developers put into games in an attempt to make the game look grittier for some reason. It just looks shit. Google it loads are complaining about it, it's got nothing to do with my TV all my other games look superb. Go into photo mode then reduce film grade slider down to zero then you will see how much better it looks without it. Unfortunately as soon as you leave photo mode the film grain is back on. There isn't an option to disable it in game which is ridiculous.
Tell me one thing that any one proved against my guy downtown or Jesus Christ/God. Don't pretend like you don't know what I am talking about coward. When you do you will have proven my point. 1>3. And you better come with the proof or keep your scared self quite.
Fosso Yeah but you are playing the PS4 graphics on PS5 tho, it’s not like the smart delivery that xbox has that will enhance the backward compatible games.
In my opinion both are similar overall, im speechless to see this things from a 1.8 teraflop machine from 2013, naughty dog always deliver. Amazing gameplay
Didn’t really struggle with that as the words FINAL GAME on the left denoted that the final game was on the left, and PGW 2017 TRAILER/E3 2018 TRAILER on the right denoted that the Paris Games Week 2017 Trailer and E3 2018 Trailer were on the right
I think the aesthetics of the first one would be lost and the overall tone would change. Some things just can't be remade without hanging the atmosphere and it's key in TLOU
@@RagingUtai It's a little obnoxious in some parts but a lot more subtle in HDR. The lighting effects really overshadow the film grain and looks quite incresible.
@@AngryChineseWoman games trash honestly one of the worst ending to a game , yeah yeah let's get revenge kills 100 + people to get to her... actually she can go 🤣🤣🤣even pony's hate it hahaha 🤐
yes it is im loving the game im just barely got to the part where im about to take out the girl playing a ps vita lol. i don't understand the hate for the game it's unreal how much hate is getting I think its a masterpiece of a game.
@@ernestohernandez9370 you're barely half way through the game. There's still A LOT more to it that you aren't ready for unless you know the spoilers. I will say as someone who did know some of the spoilers going in I still loved this game and think it's one of the greatest of all time and it's personally in my top 5 all time. I hope you keep that same open mind by the time you finish it 👍
I play mostly on a highend PC, but I think TLOU2 in terms of realistic visuals, especially in story sequences, is unmatched and a new standard. I was constantly activating the photo mode to see if it's really real time rendering. It just is an amazing looking masterpiece.
A huge fan of your work bro...the way you breakdown gameplay, graphics, design, FPS and overall reviews of games is awesome. You make dummies like myself understand what's going on 👍🏽🙏🏼✌🏽
@@BeheadedKamikaze Yeah, it looks like they took that model from the PS3 version of the original, and just plonked it into this game. I have found that in this game, sometimes the faces look good, and sometimes they just don't look very good at all, even in cut scenes. It's weird.
The E3 demo used the cutscene quality models throughout gameplay, whereas the actual game, as with most games, has higher quality models for cutscenes and separate less detailed models for gameplay. That scene is during gameplay and doesn't feature the high detail models like you see elsewhere in this video where the final game manages to actually look better. Gameplay models are still excellent compared to pretty much any other console game though. In that scene on my TV, the enemy face is very clearly detailed and very expressive/animated (not as good as E3, but still very good). Maybe UA-cam compression is making it look so bad here.
Ive had situations through the game where even i think “this totally was scripted”, it just happens by chance sometimes Once i dodged a bullet mid prone and jumped on top of a guy kicking him in the head It works sometimes, though i do know the E3 was scripted
When I watch digital foundry comparison I always become a softie. They are always so professional and reasonable about the downgrades - in contrast to myself at times and also the typical comment section "omfg d0wngraedzzz". John put it perfectly when he said that the downgrades in animations for example were not because naughty dog are led by evil corporates who wanna trick us - but rather because of 'sky high ambitions' that they sadly couldn't fully realize. I'm sure naughty dog wanted to deliver - because that's what they're known for - but of course sometimes sacrifices have to be made. That's just the reality of things. At the end of the day (I havent played the game yet but I definitely will despite all the negative reputation around the story) this is a beautiful looking game with a lot of unprecedented tech and detail on display.
@@martingarciaarvidson6684 There is no mercy in my opinion for developers that says the game runs on Playstation when in fact its running on a development PC. The Demo already runs buttery smooth and if it was a playstation then there would have been no needs to optimize absolutely anything (its right there running like a dream already). But then a lot of cuts because...well..because it wasn`t running on playstation plain and simple. The "evil" there stands in that they knew it wasn`t the real thing and still passed it as such. No, the fact that some other company had cranked up the dial even further in certain cases, is irrelevant, we cannot condone the actions of any of the two.
@@daviderinaldi329 It was running on a PlayStation you moron they would have to write completely different code and use a different engine to make it run on PC. It's a tiny section of the game meaning they can squeeze as much detail as possible for the trailer without worrying about having to load in the textures for the next section of the game. Development Kits are more powerful than retail consoles if you didn't know.
Josue M What do you suppose they developed the game on? You realise that the ND engine is PC compatible right? PC and PS4 both use x86 processor instruction set. It’s not a PS3 with custom cpu architecture so you need to basically rewrite your core engine to run on it. The reason you see exclusive games on the console only is a matter of business, not technical limitations.
The FILM GRAIN is unbearable, switching to photo mode and dropping the film grain to 0 shows how eye popping the game could have been. Needs a PATCH ASAP to atleast give us the option to remove this mess
My top28: 28-Ghost Of Tsushima 83/100 27-Final Fantasy 7 Remake 84/100 26-Resident Evil 2 Remake 85/100 25-Resident Evil 7 86/100 24-Heavy Rain 87/100 23-Ori & Will Of The Wisps 88/100 22-Detroit: Become Human 88/100 21-Death Stranding 90/100 20-Batman Arkham City 90/100 19-Marvel’s Spider-man 90/100 18-Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception 90/100 17-Silent Hill 2 91/100 16-Metal Gear Solid 4 91/100 15-Devil My Cry 5 91/100 14-Demon’s Souls 91/100 13-Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice 92/100 12-Shadow Of Colossus 92/100 11-Red Dead Redemption 2 92/100 10-Chrono Trigger 93/100 9-The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 93/100 8-The Legend Of Zelda: Breathe Of The Wild 93/100 7-Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End 93/100 6-Bloodborne 94/100 5-Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 94/100 4-Persona 5 94/100 3-The Last Guardian 94/100 2-God Of War 95/100 1-The Last Of Us Part II 96/100 Bonus-The Last Of Us 93/100 Bonus-Pillars Of Eternity, Divinity Original Sin 2, Ico, Suikoden 2, Persona 4, The Legend Of Zelda: Wind Maker, What Remains Of Edith Finch, Under-tale, Inside, Monster Hunter: World.
9:30 enemies sometimes do that sometimes they don't. It's random but it happened to me a couple of times and they reacted to fast for me to shoot them in the head like that. I was playing on hard so maybe that's why
They usually don’t check fully under they just spot me when they get close to the truck, I honestly didn’t think that the npcs would do that but I’m glad to hear that they do
Mohammed Sadeq didn’t looked bad for me since I played 7 feet away on my couch. But up closed it does it look really bad. But it still looked sharp and beautiful since I play on PS4 pro on a 4k hdr tv.
During my fights with the larger guys (and gals) I was able to get some of the fluid animations with props breaking more naturally but it only seems to happen when tossed against certain things
i've seen videos from people on twitter getting enemies to throw ellie through windows and other things like the guy at the end does. so it's there. it's kind of like the melee fight at the beginning where its not as flawless but it still looks really good. it just seems like it's really rare and super dependent on ellie's surroundings. i played for around 25 hrs and i never saw any of those animations for instance. great video though
it is there, i saw it to in the final game, just not as scrippted as in the demo. but it is in there and that for me is far more impressive, that it is a real game mechanic, even if it is not as smooth as in the demo (because its a demo).
I got put through a window in the cosmetics shop seen in the demo on my first run, it happened as I backed up near the window and the big guy picked me up and tossed me through it. I’ve not yet replicated it though.
It does indeed happen, it happened to me maybe twice, but because the enemies who can do that are much rarer then "normal" ones it becomes very rare, and also dependent on your surroundings.
I just finished the game and I know this is unpopular opinion but I loved it. The original game is my favorite game of all time as well. I honestly think if they didn’t kill a beloved character in the type of way they did then there would be less hate towards this game. I was disappointed with that particular choice but literally everything else worked for me and i was fully immersed and engaged in the story.
It was the perfect way to kick off Ellie's revenge story and get players on board with it. Besides we still got amazing Joel and Ellie moments through flashbacks.
I don't know if that is unpopular, internet opinion doesn't reveal what most people feel, I still haven't played the game so I can't say if I enjoy it or not though, just giving my unpopular opinion about what you think is an unpopular opinion.
Cutter Elf yes I loved the flashbacks! I thought man I really hoped to get more time with Joel and ellie together and then 1hr later I was playing some amazing flashback sections! My only wish was that those sections was the second game and the third game would have been what we got, but still fantastic.
If I remember correctly I was once "tossed around" by the big bald guy in the exact same way of the demo. I'm just not sure i went rolling thru and breaking glass as well, but I do think so. The animations were very similar and the behaviour as well, but I feel the model of the enemy is significantly worse.
The trailer scene is darker, the original has more light being cast. You can achieve the same effect in real life. Look in a mirror without an overhead light, then go into your bathroom and marvel at the extra definition you get. And for what it is worth, being mildly toned is less natural for a woman? What a strange thing to focus on, and a kind of sadly narrow view you hold.
Yeah she had been planning to kill Joel for years, training every day and that and not to mention this is the apocalypse where only the strongest survive so it would be quite natural for both woman and men to be extremely well built and toned because they would have been fighting and running since birth. I know a lass who does cross fit and powerlifting that would put abby to shame so it doesn't seem all that strange to me.
urbanshadow777 running and fighting don't give that muscular body, it's kinda unrealistic bc her body was not that big at all in the flashbacks, also her legs are not as big as her upper body, so she must be training and using some sort of juice especially in a post apocalyptic world, I have friends that lift too mate, but I've been hitting the gym for like 4 years
One reason I can think of why the animation isn't as fluid in the final game is because maybe with animation that smooth the input delay for a player would be enormous because the animation had to play out first. I saw something like this in a documentary about the first game with fighting animations. The documentary is called grounded if you would want to watch it.
One more thing I'd like to say and I don't know if people encountered this, but the move where Ellie disarms the melee weapon and hits them back with it (8:34) is there in the final game. It happened to me once.
Still looks amazing. Doesn't look like a downgrade to me, more like slightly different stylistic approach. I've finished the game yesterday and I was literally 'licking' all walls and corner as I wanted to explore every bit of it. What a great game.
@@ASSASSIN19923 ND are the best developers in gaming imo because they've yet to make a bad game. Say what you will about this story, ( personally I loved it ) But from a technical standpoint nobody is better than ND. Only other ones that are close are Rockstar, Santa Monica, and CDPR
@@ASSASSIN19923 Hopefully there is a PS5 version of the game being worked on. I don't just want a performance boost, I hope to see higher quality textures and ray-tracing.
Despite the odd graphical change and the combat not being quite as fluid they have produced a 10/10 game again and I was pleased the trailers were very close to the final product....
it feels like when you start playing the game, a lower LOD is loaded. Kind of like every game available today: Game play, lower LOD, lower poly characters, lower lighting effects. I've really only noticed this during my game play of RE3 remake, wondering why the cut scenes look amazing, but the game play models look just "ok". MGS5 seems to be consistent throughout the game though... cut scenes and gameplay.
Cut scenes are “pre-baked” meaning it’s requires less computational power (doesn’t have to pre load information for camera movement and so on) so the power that isn’t being used for that, goes back in to make those scenes look a little more polished. It’s like icing a cake, you have a finite amount of icing. You can put it all on one large cake, but it will have to be simple, because you’ll run out. Or you use it all on a cupcake, but make an amazing design... I’m hungry... I think it shows
This is because in cutscenes, they can push the console to 100%, all the effects, lighting, shadows maxed out - it plays out exactly the same every time, so they can tweak the various stress points, add perfect post processing tailored to the scene, etc., just like you would when editing a video. Now for gameplay, you can not push the console to the maximum, you need to give the GPU a little bit of a leeway so the framerate stays stable as the load of various scenes increases (like encountering multiple enemies, causing explosions and looking down at vast scenery from a vista and such) as opposed to when you are alone just scavenging.
Witcher 3 was really hilarious. Cutscenes would engage 4xSSAA alongside bokeh depth of field, making them vastly more hardware intensive than regular gameplay.
It just makes sense to push details to the max during cutscenes that are usually much more intimate with characters than during gameplay. PS5 can probably achieve the same of level of detail during gameplay too but most people wouldn't even notice.
@@gabrielvenezia simple, don't buy the PS4 version and save those $60, then wait for enhanced version that might come with extras for the same price! Yah!
Looking at a lot of these comparisons, the lighting, shading, reflections, and colour palate are all more realistic in the final trailer than the full game. 6:36 shows a way more natural and realistic look to the foliage in the final trailer IMO. The difference in the AO between the trailer and the final game is also significant, and makes the game look far less realistic. Basically, the finished game has a cartoony look compared with the gritty realistic graphics presented in the trailers.
Strangely enough, although these are scenes from early trailers, they also appear to be things that happen LATE in the game, and I'm only half way through and don't want to be spoiled, so I'll have to drop out here.
YourTaciturnFriend It's a bad habit that DF needs to stop with. They always show late game stuff and it's quite annoying. I have to avoid a lot of their videos for this very reason. Their tech analysis dove way too deep into the late game and had spoilers which shouldn't be the case for a tech analysis.
@@Cybo-Man the main trailers for the game used scenes from near the very end unfortunately, the Paris one happens half way through and one (which I won't spoil) happens near the credits roll
2017 trailer looks more like a movie, final cut looks more like a video game. The trailer also has much better blacks, and doesnt have that annoying red cast - at night of all times where it makes the least amount of sense - that is in the final.
Those seraphite hammer enemies do actually have a grab attack that throws you over obstacles in the final game. I was able to replicate this with several standard hammer enemies. The bosses also use these grabs.
No wonder why at the time that guy from Eidos accused the demo's animations of being fake. While it was an overreaction, and the final game's animations are astonishing, they looked quite a bit scripted. Illumination, shadowing, enemies' character models and interactions with the environment are in another league too. Otherwhise, the color grading in the final game is SO MUCH BETTER. I don't want to sound too harsh, since making a demo that represents the final look of the game years in advance is very difficult. If they had not given us something to compare to the final version, no one would complain.
Despite the completely divisive reaction to this game (i really hated it personally), it does look visually stunning! And i think we can all agree that the technical aspects were really well done. (apart from some bugs)
Excellent work, John. This sort of investigatory work that holds developers and publishers accountable is something only Digital Foundry does, and for that, I hold you in the highest regard.
11:20 you could have done more with that big guy. You can get him to throw you over that same table and break the glass all the same. He can even throw you through a glass door.
Those Abby's scene. Everyone thought it was cinematic. That's not the gameplay. It can't be the gameplay. But as usual. Naughty Dog did this incredible job.with this game. I'm blown away by the detail of the world here.
I feel bad for that Eidos dev that said this level of animation is impossible for the game and got criticized for it. Everyone was mad at him to the point that he had to apologies. Hey guess what, Eidos dev. You were right.
I remember there was a developer who called the animation in the demo fake. ND quote tweeted and basically made fun of the guy, so he had to delete it. It was obvious to me at the time too that there was trickery, but I'm glad to see that developer vindicated even if nobody remembers it happened.
This game looks absolutely incredible. There are things like the details in environments, the animation, the cutscenes, the lighting which are absolutely amazing. And so ND, things that you find only at their games like this and Uncharted. it is insane that it runs on a 2013 console... Quite possibly TLOU2 and RDR2 are the best looking games of this gen yet. Waiting for Cyberpunk and Ghost of Tsushima now.
When IOI guy(some guy from hitman team, idk who) called them out in e3 for faking their demo everybody went up in arms after that poor sod. Every news outlet targeted him etc and neil himself said it was a baseless accusation that the entire demo was scripted (while saying some variables were tweaked which means scripted :P). At least he can be at peace now that he was proven right and hordes of media and sony mobs were wrong
So everybody is wrong because digital foundry said so? I am playing the game right now and i can tell you some of the things this guy says are not in the game actualy are most of it comes down to timing like trowing a rock and running grabing an enemy, i noticed he didn't even press the button when prompted!
@@s3rv3r3rror8 The level of detail in the animations, reactivity in the environment etc showcased in the E3 demo was far beyond what can be achieved now, and was clearly scripted. Not a hard point to grasp there champ.
@@s3rv3r3rror8 Not that specifically but environment destruction being completely absent as the IOI guy said was impossible to be present in the main game throughout and i don't think that and the downgrades in interior lighting are something that comes down to timing(which the bottle throw thing could come down to)
S3RV3R 3RROR cutscene quality facial animations on all enemy characters in gameplay. the degree of reactivity & destructibility in the environments. The degree of detail in lighting and shading on in game character models. The fluidity of the combat animations. The intelligence of the AI and number of different specific reactions. It’s all there. If you can’t see it, even the parts DF doesn’t just ignore or handwave, you’re choosing not to.
I was lucky actually got thrown through the glass on my first time! I was on a desperate clamber to survive at that point after the previous battles, and had enough materials to craft one explosive arrow, which I did beforehand. I got one of the bow dudes with the explosive, which staggered the other who I killed with a machete, just like the demo! I was proud of myself. The big guy threw me through the table, and I got up, beat his ass, and he did the kneeling thing the AI does in the game, and I killed him with the machete to finish the sequence! I was so impressed. It wasn’t EXACTLY the same for sure, but it was SO close my mind was fucking blown. Say what you will about the game (I personally found it to be a masterpiece, but understand why others weren’t on board with it) but it’s an amazing technical achievement and the levels of customization to accessibility, gameplay, audio, EVERYTHING, is truly an unmatched achievement on the console platforms, and better than most releases on any platform. This should be the standard from here on out.
The big guy actually did pick me up and throw me through the glass
Jep, me too! :D Awesome.
@@Sir-Prizse First time I encountered him, he threw me out of the building through the shop's glass window. After a little back and forth, he grabbed me again and threw me back in through another window. Good times :D
He threw me into some crates and they broke
I had this eerie feeling that they moved the big guy behind the door so I set up 3 mines in the room. He got F'd up without me doing the fight
The glass panels or the store windows? He’d throw me next to the panels for some reason rather than through them.
I didn't watched the 2017 trailer and played the game completely blind... I can just say it is a masterpiece.
lol thanks for the input IGN
Masterpiece of downgrade
Agreed. A masterpiece. Three play-throughs and I’m about to go for a fourth. Can’t get enough of it.
@@logoslive I am on my second play-through, still amazed by the game! :)
[spoile] Still found it to be a masterpiece even though Joel's death at the hands of abby was spoiled for me.
I'll never understand why John puts final versions or pro versions on the left of the screen and alpha versions or base versions on the right. People read left to right (in English at least), before and after, etc.
Such a strange choice.
John’s clearly a sociopath, I agree
Cameron Fletcher yeah that’s exactly what I was thinking
of course for Arabic peoples
@@ameerikbal8160 lol they can't read
he lives in england where they drive on opposite side of the road 🤦🏽♂️
The giant guy animations can still trigger in the final game. He actually can throw you through the table on the floor and it's not scripted.
@Aputsiaq Lennert will be playing it...
yeap definitely , I though that was scripted but damn it is not, neither is when they yank you out from surfaces
video proof? Wanna see how close the animation is to the demo
@@sadstormtrooper yes...I tried myself several times. But the lower textures on the face and body were already off-putting and disappointing. I uploaded that segment in my channel with my full gameplay walkthrough after multiple attempts and rather chose to take the fight outside.
I can't remember if it happened elsewhere in the game, but while playing this segment the guy threw me through the glass doorway, smashing all the glass
The amount of customization this game offers is on a whole other level. The High Contrast mode is so useful for finding items. The 4 directional swipe on the track-pad and the (shake controller) gives you 5 extra mappable buttons. The difficulty can be customized to your liking; I put everything on Survivor with AI Partner on Normal and Materials on Normal because it makes sense your AI Partner isn't useless. Full control bindings and renaming your Custom Controls, many options that almost feels like cheats sometime, served to help handicapped player as well. Enhanced directional audio cues and sounds helped impaired players. People can hate on this game because of it's story but I swear the level of interactivity, and the wide range of customization makes this game stand above everything else. All the customizable settings in this game alone should be a fucking industry standard.
Totally agree, there’s so much to appreciate about the game that doesn’t even stem from the story.
The fact that this is a PS4 game ... Imagine future AAA games on PS5
Exactly
They started making the game in the beginning of the generation to deliver at the end, even though they couldn't achieve their own expectations. That's a bad sign. Then you will need a Pro version of the console in the middle of the generation to get close, but not there, where you planned.
you mean remasters*. and ahandfull of future AAA games on ps5, that will be remastered on ps6. LOL get scammed son
@@deathrager2404 I feel sad for you, mate. If that's your philosophy, your life must be miserable. If you have money, spend it how you want.
future naughty dog’s game....
This game looks insane. I bet it will get a patch for PS5 to look even more amazing.
If they actually decide to committ a full overhaul of the graphics..well that would be scary.. :D
The ps5 version will be the ps4 e3 demo version of the game
@@LucaNapo Nah, it will probably just be in native 4k instead of 1440p. But, maybe there can be 1440p 60fps and 4k 30fps options.
@@hotdogcandy yeah, i'm expecting more framerate rather than more resolution to be the focus on ps5. But, if you remember correctly TLOU 1 had a pretty nice graphics overhaul from ps3 to ps4 so who knows what they'll do!
Still waiting D:
PS5 : Return of the Shadows.
my thoughts exactly
And hopefully a 60 FPS mode.
That initial Watch Dogs trailer has a chance to finally materialize on PS5 in Watch Dogs Remastered 😂
PS5= The nex gen console of "remasters".
That downgrade is why developers shouldn't focus on having their games run on two generations. That's why I'm glad Sony is demanding developers focus on ps5 rather than on compromising quality by also releasing on ps4
It might even look better now.
You can actually play it by unpacking a file of the game and changing a few settings from OFF to ON. Literally.
Search TheWorseMod. It's not really a mod, that's just the default files already "modified" and ready to use. You can also find the tool to make the changes yourself.
@@edwin99901 Sony can't demand developers focus on the PS5 lol, publishers are a business and like it or not, money matters to them a lot and if they target the new gen of consoles whiles the vast majority of gamers are on this gen of consoles, it won't look good for their bank balance.
This is why we always get a transition of about 2 to 3 years from old gen to new gen to allow the market share to grow enough to warrant targeting new gen only.
In other words, expect most games to target this gen and mid tier PC's for the next 2 years with extra bells and whistles for the PC and next gen consoles for about 2 or so years, maybe even longer if this pandemic harms sales of the next gen consoles that it takes longer for them to gain real market share.
If developers were forced as you say to develop for next gen only, many won't even bother because the cost would be high and the risk would be high considering the market share of the next gen will be tiny, Sony are many things, but they are not that crazy to push developers..
It's still the closest I've ever seen a game at retail be a near perfect match for such an ambitious reveal. It's really staggering tech on show.
LIES!!!!
Umm have you heard of Rockstar?
I got thrown like what she did in the game crashing through glass. second or third time i think, was trying to conserve ammo.
The Last of Us Part II graphically is the best game of the generation
Call of Duty Modern Warfare gets pretty close to that milestone.
@@eddielockhart2072 agreed, both looks breathtaking, no one close i think
rdr2 has a better claim for that title
@@bruhirl1023 I would agree but the textures in that game are absolutely horrible and facial animations are a let down.
@@randomnpc4915 maybe if you played it on a console, otherwise that's straight up a lie on pc
Recently I was quite stunned by the animation of Ellie grabbing an enemy in the middle of standing up. It was so smooth despite the grab could have happened at any timing during the standing up motion. Really impressive.
I can see why some start-up animations have been shortened, for gameplay/reactivity reasons, but there are some others things not holding up to the promises.
Agreed. When he was talking about it, there was a clip of her dodging in the final version and it looked a bit clunky, but maybe it needed to be that way for gameplay.
I can't even imagine what Part 3 will look like. A PS5 only release, absolutely raising the bar once again.
I think they got 90% of the way there (even 105% in some scenes), which is stellar compared to the rest of industry. No complaints from me at all.
dani_i89 Downgrade where? 😂
@@skydiamsteam6005 did u even watch the video?
@@dani_i8942 This is about visuals. Cry some more.
It's impressive at how close the final release is to the demo, not enough games are like that these days
I smash every piece of glass I see.
11:16. I do have been through across that table by BIG GUY. This animation exists.
Enemy models look also more detailed in the 2018 trailer
10:00 the lighting is different but you can still see that the models look better
There is less motion blur in the demo which yield a sharper image.
yes, i dont understand how DF didnt catch that.
@@Picollus1 It's not just sharpness though, the models themselves look better in the trailer.
What a liar this DF journalist!! ;-) Compare the enemy character model detail, shading /lighting of the face @ the 10:00 min mark MASSIVE DOWNGRADE in the final game!! He blatantly ignores it lol :-))) Or the detail on the ground around the 5:00 min mark!! E3 2018 Demo is clearly superior in terms of detail, textures and lighting!!
@@toxicrhythmz3718 I'll wait for the PS5 remaster.
Them watch Dogs downgrades still hurt me physically bruh 😭
yeah :v
Pc mods did fix ir though.
@@thewanderingartists mods fixed it a little bit but it still nowhere near E3 gameplay demo
you really need to break trough that, it's been 7 or 8 years
You just have to look at it from the perspective as CD Projekt Red used when they were confronted about the graphical downgrades in _The Witcher 3:_ What you saw in the trailers wasn't actually a complete game yet so there was nothing to downgrade.
Yeah, I don't buy it either. It's like when developers claim it's not censorship if they decide to change something prior to release in order to achieve the ESRB rating they're aiming for. Apparently, downgrades and censorship only apply to things when it occurs _after_ release. 🙄🤷♂️
11:14 I was able to replicate that, the big dude tossed me over the shelf breaking the glass
Yeah it seems if they grab you and one is near by it will select a surface like that to throw you over.
ALSO another small nuance, Ellie does pull back the hammer of the pistol like she does under the car in the trailer. It isn't contextual though, it happens after aiming for a set amount of time in the game.
Is it just me that thought the gameplay was amazing?
@@aerostorm_ Yea if you get caught on one of his grab attacks those enemies will throw you somewhere in the environment.
@@mutalix Sheer hyperbole.
@@SPM0717 Astonishing means "extremely surprising or impressive; amazing." Would you have taken umbrage if they said the gameplay was amazing? It's all personal preference. But you calling it hyperbole seems to indicate to me you think the gameplay might be good, but it simply can't be THAT good - they are exaggerating. And given hyperbole is defined, essentially, as intended exaggeration not meant to be taken literally...I'm not sure what you're going for here lol.
If the demo had never existed to set any expectation, coming into this game blind would have had me stunned with the animation work on display. Bravo Naughty Dog.
That rope physics tho
The objective technical analysis with all the brutal violence happening on screen is a wild vibe. Digital Foundry sticking to the data, I love it!
2:55 Wow... Abby's arms are much more muscular in the final game.
No wonder they looked so "off" right? Her arms don't match her body proportions lol
In the trailers she looked much more like a woman
@@NivaJunior Yup, I guess they didn't want to turn everybody off 3 years in advance...
@@NivaJunior What a close-minded idea of what a 'woman' should look like, Abby looks badass, her being jacked makes total sense
@@NivaJunior
it's he not she
I feel like this game's true potential will be realised once it's released on the PS5.
But the awful story will be everlasting :/
Yeah and when they make you BUY it again for that 60fps lol
@@jacobjordan8340 the story is fucking awesome.
@@jacobjordan8340 what do you mean? The Story its awesome
@@DTunezOfficial no just no
game looks insane on my oled tv. one of the best hdr games.
oh yesss the lighting is the best I have ever seen in a game wow incredible graphics and gameplay is soo good and feels realistic. which oled tv do you have?
@GamingWithLeppy im gonna buy C9 when ps5 comes.
Not really. It is far from the most poppy hdr game.
Vanja Miletic wait for the cx it’s better
@@stickboy8219 not really...higher bandwidth 2.1 ports, brighter hdr on the C9. Do the research...
Basically it's "close enough" which is kudos to the developers, but the trailer just included all the details that can make the final 5% towards reality.
It will on ps5
@@AliHamza-sv4ni Part 3 will melt brains.
@@Kineticboy2K1 wonder if it ever releases....
@@gauravnegi4312 Sold 4 million copies so far so the chances are pretty good there will be a 3rd game.
Did you play it on survival? I want to point out that enemy pattern and animation varies greatly depending on what difficulty you're on. I ran some Tests and on moderate difficulty the Human enemies behave in a much more "stiff" and "video-game like" way with fewer animatio than on survival mode.
That's interesting, I'll have to try survival at some point. Might have to wait until I've recovered emotionally first though :)
rolf faber really? Do you have a comparison video or a source? I’m really curious
Yes exactly. Play it with the enemy A.I. set to Survivor at least. The humans act like real humans and the infected are much faster. But you can put player damage on what ever setting you'd like. I'm playing my second play through with Very Light damage and resources so I don't die and Survivor difficulty for enemies so they act more realisticly.
noticed the same
Yeah survival ai is crazy. Watching playthrough videos of people playing at the lesser difficulties the ai seems stupid, but when I played through it I was constantly impressed at the animations and behavior of the ai. They would literally see me if Poké my head out for more than a second and flank me.
There is something really disturbing about Jon talking calming over this ultraviolent footage.
The game is violent. Doesn't make you violent even if you enjoy the violence showcased in the game. Lol.
The way they overhauled Joel's model from the trailers to the final game is quite remarkable, indeed... 🤣
They definitely hit a ''Joel in one'' with it.
@@ALph4cro It was like it was FOREtold...
More of a "tune up" than an overhaul, I'm sure you'll agree ;)
Brilliantly devious.
@@ballsrgrossnugly Yeah, that description suits it down to a *TEE.*
Probably the best looking game I've ever played. The amount of detail is insane. It's crazy what they pulled off on the PS4. I can't wait to see what first party developers can pull off on PS5.
Right? Sometimes I even wonder (especially on the folliage rich level) how did they make it work on the PS4. It was insane.
The film grain ruins it, it looks awful with that effect god knows why developers think it looks good. Well it doesn't it just looks like a load of noise.
@@jamiewalton666 Looks like your TV was wrongly calibrated-
@@kraenk12 no mate it's a film grain effect some developers put into games in an attempt to make the game look grittier for some reason. It just looks shit. Google it loads are complaining about it, it's got nothing to do with my TV all my other games look superb. Go into photo mode then reduce film grade slider down to zero then you will see how much better it looks without it. Unfortunately as soon as you leave photo mode the film grain is back on. There isn't an option to disable it in game which is ridiculous.
@@jamiewalton666 WWWWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
6:16 So chuffed you noticed my shader improvements
You worked on TLOU2?
@@sewerrats7433 he works on environment textures and shader work at Naughty Dog. And clearly very good at his job.
Congrats on the amazing game man! Hope you can ignore all the pathetic haters out there.
Tell me one thing that any one proved against my guy downtown or Jesus Christ/God. Don't pretend like you don't know what I am talking about coward. When you do you will have proven my point. 1>3. And you better come with the proof or keep your scared self quite.
*Quiet
You have to admit there is some downgrades from 2018 trailer but I am assuming we will see it on the PS5.
In a remastered version... 😂😂😂 that’s Sony
@@WillOnCode Sony confirmed backwards compatibility and free updates
characters receiving and casting shadows in 2020 would be a nice feature...
Would you pay another 60 bucks for this game on PS5? LoL this game has no re-playability ... they ruined this series
Fosso Yeah but you are playing the PS4 graphics on PS5 tho, it’s not like the smart delivery that xbox has that will enhance the backward compatible games.
In my opinion both are similar overall, im speechless to see this things from a 1.8 teraflop machine from 2013, naughty dog always deliver. Amazing gameplay
You seriously think they were comparing the trailer to gameplay on the base model PS4?
The enemy AI looks dumb as F.
No
@@robertdunlop5247 yep just like in the first game.
@@mutalix all that changes is resolution, 1080p VS 1440p
I would love to see a next gen variant of this game like the first game.
You will 1000%
ParsianYT you will, there’s no way they don’t
I can't wait for the definitive version of this game on next gen hardware.
Still gonna be 30fps
jeremy thomas
Uhm. I’m gonna pretend you didn’t say that
You should have the final game to the right. Its before and after, not after and then before.
It's for the Chinese audience bro 😜
First thing I thought when the first comparisons popped up...kinda odd
It is scripted in the final game, in the demo, it was showed as a casual interaction during ganeplay.
Yeah, this really bugged me too.
Didn’t really struggle with that as the words FINAL GAME on the left denoted that the final game was on the left, and PGW 2017 TRAILER/E3 2018 TRAILER on the right denoted that the Paris Games Week 2017 Trailer and E3 2018 Trailer were on the right
ND is saving the xtra details for ps5
Would love a re-remaster of last of us 1 using the last of us 2 engine
lol no thanks
Yep would have been way better then what we got
I think the aesthetics of the first one would be lost and the overall tone would change.
Some things just can't be remade without hanging the atmosphere and it's key in TLOU
I think it would be a remake like re2 or re3. They'd have to remake the whole game from ground up
Joel looks nicer on the first one tho... he looks kinda too old and skittish on the second one, and bigger and tougher on the first
you guys are awesome! These comparison videos are mega interesting, always delivering with that quality content
It looks even better on a display with HDR. Gorgeous.
Mmm abbey's muscles in 4k HDR look so lush
@@sean7332 cry more
@@sean7332 you mean 1440p right? ;)
@@RagingUtai It's a little obnoxious in some parts but a lot more subtle in HDR. The lighting effects really overshadow the film grain and looks quite incresible.
@@AngryChineseWoman games trash honestly one of the worst ending to a game , yeah yeah let's get revenge kills 100 + people to get to her... actually she can go 🤣🤣🤣even pony's hate it hahaha 🤐
This game is a masterpiece.
yes it is im loving the game im just barely got to the part where im about to take out the girl playing a ps vita lol. i don't understand the hate for the game it's unreal how much hate is getting I think its a masterpiece of a game.
@@ernestohernandez9370 you're barely half way through the game. There's still A LOT more to it that you aren't ready for unless you know the spoilers. I will say as someone who did know some of the spoilers going in I still loved this game and think it's one of the greatest of all time and it's personally in my top 5 all time. I hope you keep that same open mind by the time you finish it 👍
It's incredible, far beyond anything else so far.
@@stephensporman8206 Except the second half is by far the best of the game.
@@kraenk12 yeah I agree. The 2nd half of this game is awesome
I play mostly on a highend PC, but I think TLOU2 in terms of realistic visuals, especially in story sequences, is unmatched and a new standard. I was constantly activating the photo mode to see if it's really real time rendering. It just is an amazing looking masterpiece.
A huge fan of your work bro...the way you breakdown gameplay, graphics, design, FPS and overall reviews of games is awesome. You make dummies like myself understand what's going on 👍🏽🙏🏼✌🏽
All I know is....it looks stunning in motion
Not the highest resolution or the latest raytraced effects. Just the best looking game.
@@proxyone890 still good to see that ps4 old ass cpu and gpu could achieve this much level of detail
The enemy model at 10:00 in the final version is miserable compared to the one in the 2018 demo.
Yeah, I saw that too - it's like he has no face or something!
theres alot of things that the final version is doing much worse but they were not paid to cover those.
@@BeheadedKamikaze Yeah, it looks like they took that model from the PS3 version of the original, and just plonked it into this game.
I have found that in this game, sometimes the faces look good, and sometimes they just don't look very good at all, even in cut scenes. It's weird.
Immersion RUINED!!! SMH 😤
The E3 demo used the cutscene quality models throughout gameplay, whereas the actual game, as with most games, has higher quality models for cutscenes and separate less detailed models for gameplay. That scene is during gameplay and doesn't feature the high detail models like you see elsewhere in this video where the final game manages to actually look better.
Gameplay models are still excellent compared to pretty much any other console game though. In that scene on my TV, the enemy face is very clearly detailed and very expressive/animated (not as good as E3, but still very good). Maybe UA-cam compression is making it look so bad here.
its a gorgeous game....way better looking than RDR2
It was illogical to think that the E3 scene was a real gameplay.
everything was so smooth.
Ive had situations through the game where even i think “this totally was scripted”, it just happens by chance sometimes
Once i dodged a bullet mid prone and jumped on top of a guy kicking him in the head
It works sometimes, though i do know the E3 was scripted
When I watch digital foundry comparison I always become a softie. They are always so professional and reasonable about the downgrades - in contrast to myself at times and also the typical comment section "omfg d0wngraedzzz".
John put it perfectly when he said that the downgrades in animations for example were not because naughty dog are led by evil corporates who wanna trick us - but rather because of 'sky high ambitions' that they sadly couldn't fully realize. I'm sure naughty dog wanted to deliver - because that's what they're known for - but of course sometimes sacrifices have to be made. That's just the reality of things.
At the end of the day (I havent played the game yet but I definitely will despite all the negative reputation around the story) this is a beautiful looking game with a lot of unprecedented tech and detail on display.
@@OCASM Thats fair. But seeing as how this is nowhere NEAR ubisoft level - I feel like it's within acceptable boundaries.
@@martingarciaarvidson6684 There is no mercy in my opinion for developers that says the game runs on Playstation when in fact its running on a development PC. The Demo already runs buttery smooth and if it was a playstation then there would have been no needs to optimize absolutely anything (its right there running like a dream already). But then a lot of cuts because...well..because it wasn`t running on playstation plain and simple. The "evil" there stands in that they knew it wasn`t the real thing and still passed it as such. No, the fact that some other company had cranked up the dial even further in certain cases, is irrelevant, we cannot condone the actions of any of the two.
When I watch Digital Foundry, I always GET a softie.
@@daviderinaldi329 It was running on a PlayStation you moron they would have to write completely different code and use a different engine to make it run on PC. It's a tiny section of the game meaning they can squeeze as much detail as possible for the trailer without worrying about having to load in the textures for the next section of the game. Development Kits are more powerful than retail consoles if you didn't know.
Josue M What do you suppose they developed the game on? You realise that the ND engine is PC compatible right? PC and PS4 both use x86 processor instruction set. It’s not a PS3 with custom cpu architecture so you need to basically rewrite your core engine to run on it. The reason you see exclusive games on the console only is a matter of business, not technical limitations.
I really hope they patch in the option to turn off the film grain in tlou2
What is film grain?
you could google it up, dude.
And patch the entire story with a complete overhaul.
The FILM GRAIN is unbearable, switching to photo mode and dropping the film grain to 0 shows how eye popping the game could have been. Needs a PATCH ASAP to atleast give us the option to remove this mess
@Ruben Your mouth is getting too big for your muzzle.
Visuals are just amazing... i was making screenshots like on every corner...
so basically the 2018 E3 trailer is what TLOU2 will look like on PS5
Animations will never be that smooth. Probably will need a new engine.
No, you can expect the PS5 update/upgrade to look much better. The amount of extra power there + RT can make much more than that.
Maybe be. With more processing power available is very easy to put back the visual downgrades.
You can expect native 4K 60 with raytracing and just a lot more foliage and particles and animations textures etc..
No animation won’t change even with ps5
I’m actually shocked how many technical details differences were missed by digital foundry in this
like what? fill us in
Okay dude, take your chance, fill us in.
I'm not but do go on
We're all ears...
Give him more than LITERALLY a minute to reply lmfao
Phenomenal game. Thanks for videos and all the effort breaking down the game John.
My top28:
28-Ghost Of Tsushima 83/100
27-Final Fantasy 7 Remake 84/100
26-Resident Evil 2 Remake 85/100
25-Resident Evil 7 86/100
24-Heavy Rain 87/100
23-Ori & Will Of The Wisps 88/100
22-Detroit: Become Human 88/100
21-Death Stranding 90/100
20-Batman Arkham City 90/100
19-Marvel’s Spider-man 90/100
18-Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception 90/100
17-Silent Hill 2 91/100
16-Metal Gear Solid 4 91/100
15-Devil My Cry 5 91/100
14-Demon’s Souls 91/100
13-Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice 92/100
12-Shadow Of Colossus 92/100
11-Red Dead Redemption 2 92/100
10-Chrono Trigger 93/100
9-The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 93/100
8-The Legend Of Zelda: Breathe Of The Wild 93/100
7-Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End 93/100
6-Bloodborne 94/100
5-Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 94/100
4-Persona 5 94/100
3-The Last Guardian 94/100
2-God Of War 95/100
1-The Last Of Us Part II 96/100
Bonus-The Last Of Us 93/100
Bonus-Pillars Of Eternity, Divinity Original Sin 2, Ico, Suikoden 2, Persona 4, The Legend Of Zelda: Wind Maker, What Remains Of Edith Finch, Under-tale, Inside, Monster Hunter: World.
9:30 enemies sometimes do that sometimes they don't. It's random but it happened to me a couple of times and they reacted to fast for me to shoot them in the head like that. I was playing on hard so maybe that's why
Yes I've had them check under things for me too
Ellie pulling back the hammer is a great touch as well. You can potentially have the exact same scenario happen, beat for beat, it's just random.
They usually don’t check fully under they just spot me when they get close to the truck, I honestly didn’t think that the npcs would do that but I’m glad to hear that they do
@@maleprincess62 On survivor difficulty they do it all the time.
@@Kineticboy2K1 Yep! It's definitely scripted but there's very little here that can't happen in the main game.
It looks more as there were graphics options and in one case one was turned on and in an other turned off
Except for the horrible film grain effect 😭
One Thou Wou I really hope for that so far no news for a patch
Precisely.
Mohammed Sadeq didn’t looked bad for me since I played 7 feet away on my couch. But up closed it does it look really bad. But it still looked sharp and beautiful since I play on PS4 pro on a 4k hdr tv.
@Frank Bob - PS4 dev kit. They're a bit more powerful than retail units with more RAM.
That scene where they stab him. Happened for me. The guy just didn’t have the torch in his hand
same
ok assol
@@charlie.gustafsson ok bigot
@@yenneferofgyanvapi3965 What's your disability?
During my fights with the larger guys (and gals) I was able to get some of the fluid animations with props breaking more naturally but it only seems to happen when tossed against certain things
I think the final game looks better than the trailers. TLOU 2 best game so far, hands down
Abby made some massive gains in the past 3 years...that lady definitely taking a few other peoples rations
her seek for revenge has had her training for 4 years. blind rage unleashed for one moment
She played lots of golf
Lazy Dude and you play a lot of pokémon and under T rated games
She was the most capable scar killer in WLF I think she was getting more than just a few extra rations.
@@zepedaj88 Lmaooo, why are u dissing pokemon dude?
i've seen videos from people on twitter getting enemies to throw ellie through windows and other things like the guy at the end does. so it's there. it's kind of like the melee fight at the beginning where its not as flawless but it still looks really good. it just seems like it's really rare and super dependent on ellie's surroundings. i played for around 25 hrs and i never saw any of those animations for instance. great video though
it is there, i saw it to in the final game, just not as scrippted as in the demo. but it is in there and that for me is far more impressive, that it is a real game mechanic, even if it is not as smooth as in the demo (because its a demo).
There were all sorts of rare animations that took years for people to find back in the original TLOU, so this isn't surprising
I got put through a window in the cosmetics shop seen in the demo on my first run, it happened as I backed up near the window and the big guy picked me up and tossed me through it. I’ve not yet replicated it though.
It does indeed happen, it happened to me maybe twice, but because the enemies who can do that are much rarer then "normal" ones it becomes very rare, and also dependent on your surroundings.
I just finished the game and I know this is unpopular opinion but I loved it. The original game is my favorite game of all time as well. I honestly think if they didn’t kill a beloved character in the type of way they did then there would be less hate towards this game. I was disappointed with that particular choice but literally everything else worked for me and i was fully immersed and engaged in the story.
It was the perfect way to kick off Ellie's revenge story and get players on board with it. Besides we still got amazing Joel and Ellie moments through flashbacks.
Snowcone Guy exactly...anyone who plays this game and doesn’t recognize it’s quality is likely a fool.
I don't know if that is unpopular, internet opinion doesn't reveal what most people feel, I still haven't played the game so I can't say if I enjoy it or not though, just giving my unpopular opinion about what you think is an unpopular opinion.
@@GFSCN69 Jesus, calm down. People shouldn't disregard/ ignore legit criticism and label people nazi scum if they disagree, wtf
Cutter Elf yes I loved the flashbacks! I thought man I really hoped to get more time with Joel and ellie together and then 1hr later I was playing some amazing flashback sections!
My only wish was that those sections was the second game and the third game would have been what we got, but still fantastic.
Without all the technical talks, 2018 trailer looks a lot better in my eyes.
If I remember correctly I was once "tossed around" by the big bald guy in the exact same way of the demo. I'm just not sure i went rolling thru and breaking glass as well, but I do think so.
The animations were very similar and the behaviour as well, but I feel the model of the enemy is significantly worse.
Im amazed theirs no screen tearing or slowdown I can percieve with how goodit looks.
At 2:55 you can see that Abby's arms are much more muscular in the final game.
I prefer her look in the trailer, seems more natural for a woman.
The trailer scene is darker, the original has more light being cast. You can achieve the same effect in real life. Look in a mirror without an overhead light, then go into your bathroom and marvel at the extra definition you get. And for what it is worth, being mildly toned is less natural for a woman? What a strange thing to focus on, and a kind of sadly narrow view you hold.
She had three years to pump them up
Yeah she had been planning to kill Joel for years, training every day and that and not to mention this is the apocalypse where only the strongest survive so it would be quite natural for both woman and men to be extremely well built and toned because they would have been fighting and running since birth. I know a lass who does cross fit and powerlifting that would put abby to shame so it doesn't seem all that strange to me.
urbanshadow777 running and fighting don't give that muscular body, it's kinda unrealistic bc her body was not that big at all in the flashbacks, also her legs are not as big as her upper body, so she must be training and using some sort of juice especially in a post apocalyptic world, I have friends that lift too mate, but I've been hitting the gym for like 4 years
@@danilomorales5492 When you start playing as her you literally see that she lives right next to a damn gym
One reason I can think of why the animation isn't as fluid in the final game is because maybe with animation that smooth the input delay for a player would be enormous because the animation had to play out first. I saw something like this in a documentary about the first game with fighting animations. The documentary is called grounded if you would want to watch it.
As always a perfect timing... 😉👍🏻 Going to enjoy this one before I'm starting to work on my video review
One more thing I'd like to say and I don't know if people encountered this, but the move where Ellie disarms the melee weapon and hits them back with it (8:34) is there in the final game. It happened to me once.
Still looks amazing. Doesn't look like a downgrade to me, more like slightly different stylistic approach. I've finished the game yesterday and I was literally 'licking' all walls and corner as I wanted to explore every bit of it. What a great game.
What about the cutscene where Joel showed up to help Ellie but in the final game it was Jesse who showed up?
11:11 it is in final game, the big guy do some graby animation and if u dont dodge he will throw u over the table
he does, saw it myself
Vorname Nachname yup ,this guy in video ignored it but it is in final game
is a small downgrade but im still impressed how they made with 7 years old hardware
can't imagine graphics for future games from Naughty Dog
@@ASSASSIN19923 ND are the best developers in gaming imo because they've yet to make a bad game. Say what you will about this story, ( personally I loved it ) But from a technical standpoint nobody is better than ND. Only other ones that are close are Rockstar, Santa Monica, and CDPR
@@ASSASSIN19923 Hopefully there is a PS5 version of the game being worked on. I don't just want a performance boost, I hope to see higher quality textures and ray-tracing.
Despite the odd graphical change and the combat not being quite as fluid they have produced a 10/10 game again and I was pleased the trailers were very close to the final product....
it feels like when you start playing the game, a lower LOD is loaded. Kind of like every game available today: Game play, lower LOD, lower poly characters, lower lighting effects. I've really only noticed this during my game play of RE3 remake, wondering why the cut scenes look amazing, but the game play models look just "ok". MGS5 seems to be consistent throughout the game though... cut scenes and gameplay.
Cut scenes are “pre-baked” meaning it’s requires less computational power (doesn’t have to pre load information for camera movement and so on) so the power that isn’t being used for that, goes back in to make those scenes look a little more polished. It’s like icing a cake, you have a finite amount of icing. You can put it all on one large cake, but it will have to be simple, because you’ll run out. Or you use it all on a cupcake, but make an amazing design... I’m hungry... I think it shows
This is because in cutscenes, they can push the console to 100%, all the effects, lighting, shadows maxed out - it plays out exactly the same every time, so they can tweak the various stress points, add perfect post processing tailored to the scene, etc., just like you would when editing a video. Now for gameplay, you can not push the console to the maximum, you need to give the GPU a little bit of a leeway so the framerate stays stable as the load of various scenes increases (like encountering multiple enemies, causing explosions and looking down at vast scenery from a vista and such) as opposed to when you are alone just scavenging.
Witcher 3 was really hilarious. Cutscenes would engage 4xSSAA alongside bokeh depth of field, making them vastly more hardware intensive than regular gameplay.
Destiny 2 does that on PC too but it is also capped at 30fps so can push higher settings.
It just makes sense to push details to the max during cutscenes that are usually much more intimate with characters than during gameplay. PS5 can probably achieve the same of level of detail during gameplay too but most people wouldn't even notice.
One of the channels where you can like a video before even watching it.
There are some texture downgrades to be sure but really its extremely close
I wonder when they going to do this to xbox games
and the lighting too.
Plenty of other upgrades though (just as they've stated here). Things are balanced out, and, as they also say, the final game looks better.
_Last time I was this early, Joel was still alive._
I really hope we get an enhanced update on ps5 for this game.
for the small sum of $60...
@@gabrielvenezia for the players...
@@gabrielvenezia simple, don't buy the PS4 version and save those $60, then wait for enhanced version that might come with extras for the same price! Yah!
@@gabrielvenezia Sony has confirmed backwards compatibility and free updates instead of locking enhancements to a re-release.
@ we will see...
Looking at a lot of these comparisons, the lighting, shading, reflections, and colour palate are all more realistic in the final trailer than the full game. 6:36 shows a way more natural and realistic look to the foliage in the final trailer IMO. The difference in the AO between the trailer and the final game is also significant, and makes the game look far less realistic. Basically, the finished game has a cartoony look compared with the gritty realistic graphics presented in the trailers.
Lol. Good one
Strangely enough, although these are scenes from early trailers, they also appear to be things that happen LATE in the game, and I'm only half way through and don't want to be spoiled, so I'll have to drop out here.
Just like a movie，the earliest scenes are often the last to be made
YourTaciturnFriend It's a bad habit that DF needs to stop with. They always show late game stuff and it's quite annoying. I have to avoid a lot of their videos for this very reason. Their tech analysis dove way too deep into the late game and had spoilers which shouldn't be the case for a tech analysis.
@@Cybo-Man the main trailers for the game used scenes from near the very end unfortunately, the Paris one happens half way through and one (which I won't spoil) happens near the credits roll
Looks like Naughty Dog didnt realize they were demo testing on a PS5 instead of a PS4.
2017 trailer looks more like a movie, final cut looks more like a video game. The trailer also has much better blacks, and doesnt have that annoying red cast - at night of all times where it makes the least amount of sense - that is in the final.
Those seraphite hammer enemies do actually have a grab attack that throws you over obstacles in the final game. I was able to replicate this with several standard hammer enemies. The bosses also use these grabs.
No wonder why at the time that guy from Eidos accused the demo's animations of being fake. While it was an overreaction, and the final game's animations are astonishing, they looked quite a bit scripted. Illumination, shadowing, enemies' character models and interactions with the environment are in another league too. Otherwhise, the color grading in the final game is SO MUCH BETTER.
I don't want to sound too harsh, since making a demo that represents the final look of the game years in advance is very difficult. If they had not given us something to compare to the final version, no one would complain.
Despite the completely divisive reaction to this game (i really hated it personally), it does look visually stunning!
And i think we can all agree that the technical aspects were really well done. (apart from some bugs)
Graphics mean nothing if the game is bad which it clearly is, infact it's more of an interactive movie than a video game.
Yea its a shame the politically driven writers ruined the hard work of these coders, animators, etc.
@@JohnDoe-pu5gk i do agree graphics dont make the game, which is why overall i hated it.
@@JohnDoe-pu5gk That's a dumb thing to say. There is more gameplay in this game than you'll end up wanting to play.
I love this videogame.
Excellent work, John. This sort of investigatory work that holds developers and publishers accountable is something only Digital Foundry does, and for that, I hold you in the highest regard.
11:20 you could have done more with that big guy. You can get him to throw you over that same table and break the glass all the same. He can even throw you through a glass door.
Those Abby's scene. Everyone thought it was cinematic. That's not the gameplay. It can't be the gameplay.
But as usual. Naughty Dog did this incredible job.with this game. I'm blown away by the detail of the world here.
Abby was buffed from what I can tell
It's so the audience would find her golf skills more believable.
I think you are looking at the screen opposite.
She is clearly buffed in the final version. Her arms seem smaller on the trailer.
@@SIPEROTH Her arms actually shrink towards the end of the game. She also was thin in the 4 years flashback.
8:32 - guy on the right conveniently waited for Ellie to kill his companion before deciding to attack
It's like a Dark Souls riposte.
They also added a lot more muscle on Abby in the final game
few more weeks till 1,000,000 subs !!!!!!!!!!!! fingers crossed 🤞
2:16 In the trailer Abby’s nose deforms slightly as it drags against the ground when she turns her head. I’m surprised you didn’t address that.
DANK Honestly they could have made her skinnier but with muscle like they did with Nadine.
I remember seeing her nose deform in the final game I’ll have to watch your link to see if it’s what I remember
I see he didn’t record that bit but I am certain that happens in the final game.
It does the same in the final game, when I noticed it I was surprised.
TYVM for this
What about the Joel/Jesse swap? lol
False advertising at it's finest. Mskes me sick that they pulled and bait and switch like that. TLOU 2 has seriously made me lose respect for ND.
@@mikejenkins4924 Not really false advertising because every movie trailer already does this to avoid spoilers
I think that was done to slow down the spoiling crowd. And how is this related to the video that compares technical points?
@@Hmuk09It's obviously related. It is a technicality. And I call bullshit on the spoiler theory. (In this instance.)
Edited to add.
Shhh we don't talk about that 😂😂😂
I feel bad for that Eidos dev that said this level of animation is impossible for the game and got criticized for it.
Everyone was mad at him to the point that he had to apologies.
Hey guess what, Eidos dev. You were right.
He wasn't really right as everything shown in that demo can happen in the real game it's just not as scripted
I remember there was a developer who called the animation in the demo fake. ND quote tweeted and basically made fun of the guy, so he had to delete it. It was obvious to me at the time too that there was trickery, but I'm glad to see that developer vindicated even if nobody remembers it happened.
it was shadow of the tomb raider's director but even though tlou2 is way superior to tomb raider in both gameplay and animation quality
@@advatprashr13 That's beside the point and your opinion the main thing is what he said about TLOU2 being fake gameplay was right.
@@quora_treasure_trove if youre talking about being thrown thru the window, it still exists
This game looks absolutely incredible. There are things like the details in environments, the animation, the cutscenes, the lighting which are absolutely amazing. And so ND, things that you find only at their games like this and Uncharted. it is insane that it runs on a 2013 console...
Quite possibly TLOU2 and RDR2 are the best looking games of this gen yet. Waiting for Cyberpunk and Ghost of Tsushima now.
kostas bousbouras bs Horizon looks better
When IOI guy(some guy from hitman team, idk who) called them out in e3 for faking their demo everybody went up in arms after that poor sod. Every news outlet targeted him etc and neil himself said it was a baseless accusation that the entire demo was scripted (while saying some variables were tweaked which means scripted :P).
At least he can be at peace now that he was proven right and hordes of media and sony mobs were wrong
So everybody is wrong because digital foundry said so? I am playing the game right now and i can tell you some of the things this guy says are not in the game actualy are most of it comes down to timing like trowing a rock and running grabing an enemy, i noticed he didn't even press the button when prompted!
@@s3rv3r3rror8 The level of detail in the animations, reactivity in the environment etc showcased in the E3 demo was far beyond what can be achieved now, and was clearly scripted. Not a hard point to grasp there champ.
@@TheHarvbinger Could you point out some of these so called imposibble animations champ😉
@@s3rv3r3rror8 Not that specifically but environment destruction being completely absent as the IOI guy said was impossible to be present in the main game throughout and i don't think that and the downgrades in interior lighting are something that comes down to timing(which the bottle throw thing could come down to)
S3RV3R 3RROR cutscene quality facial animations on all enemy characters in gameplay. the degree of reactivity & destructibility in the environments. The degree of detail in lighting and shading on in game character models. The fluidity of the combat animations. The intelligence of the AI and number of different specific reactions. It’s all there. If you can’t see it, even the parts DF doesn’t just ignore or handwave, you’re choosing not to.
I was lucky actually got thrown through the glass on my first time! I was on a desperate clamber to survive at that point after the previous battles, and had enough materials to craft one explosive arrow, which I did beforehand. I got one of the bow dudes with the explosive, which staggered the other who I killed with a machete, just like the demo! I was proud of myself. The big guy threw me through the table, and I got up, beat his ass, and he did the kneeling thing the AI does in the game, and I killed him with the machete to finish the sequence! I was so impressed. It wasn’t EXACTLY the same for sure, but it was SO close my mind was fucking blown. Say what you will about the game (I personally found it to be a masterpiece, but understand why others weren’t on board with it) but it’s an amazing technical achievement and the levels of customization to accessibility, gameplay, audio, EVERYTHING, is truly an unmatched achievement on the console platforms, and better than most releases on any platform. This should be the standard from here on out.