I thought yall were bs or have dog ears but I put the phone closer and heard it. Is that because of circuit design or a faulty part? I live in an old house and the wiring seems to affect many of my amps and pedals that way. I bought a power conditioner outlet and helps out a lot on some gear but some are e still just so noisy.
we notice that too late we are working on that we will have a couple of other video with this issue because we shoot them in batches Thanks for the critics guys it really helps !!!!
After mixing live music for over 30 years - I can tell you a lot of musicians have Terrible tone despite of the equipment they have. The pros can dial their tone on a toaster.
Because they don't know how to Utilize their gear . They haven't taken the time to learn how their gear works and how each part of the signal chain interacts with the rest of the chain..
I have a SLX and it sounds top notch with ANY POWER TUBES! 6550's, EL 34's, 6L6's, whatever! Sounds fantastic compared to any of my customized early 70's Marshall Superleads period. Mix and match different Marshall's so multiple tube colors paint the aural spectrum...think Van Gogh and Rembrandt!!! You guys rock 4 real!!
The earliest versions had EL34s which have a bit more warmth and was the original design of these amps. They switched to 5881s because of a tube shortage during that time sadly making them sound thinner and giving the amp a bad name. Also, if you add like a BBE sonic maximizer or EQ pedal in the loop (or even just a cable from send to return) it adds another gain stage and makes the amp sound much better. These amps are like most Marshalls, to get the best tone out of it you have to crank that volume.
I still have mine that I bought new in 96. NEVER had an issue with it. It's been a beast. I had an 81 Les Paul with a particularly weak bridge pickup that didn't sound good thru it, but that was the guitar not the amp. Just a killer rig.
@@twoguysoneamp The JCM800 2210 already included diode clipping and this amp is a legend. Above all, I think that people expected a bigger evolution when it was released, although this amp lacked dynamics compared to the 800.
The JCM 900 is good enough for Iron Maiden, and mine works great with or without pedals. The clean channel is a bit weak but that's what pedals are for!
@@twoguysoneamp Just to clarify my comment was being general, as I am only listening to your demo on a laptop so I can't hear the full quality. I was specifically not knocking your tone at all Just stating a lot of the complaints against the 900 is more of an issue of the Marshall cab. I should have been more descriptive. But your video title is specific about the head only. I own a couple of Marshall heads myself
Which Marshall cab ? And which speakers? Marshall cabs come with many different speakers. Are you seriously suggesting that every speaker model Marshall uses sound bad ? Mesa use mostly V30 and many Marshall cabs have V30s as well
@@adamwatson6916 No I am not suggesting every marshal can sounds bad and I am fully aware of the different speakers as well as generations of cabs. I am referring to the most common currently the Celestion G12T-75 is in my cab and sounds pretty harsh, I never use it and stick with my MESA. There has been many tests done online shooting out the 2 and there is such a clear difference.
😂 go look at a schematic of this amp…..it’s one big metal zone circuit with a power amp. Works great for Cookie Monster vocal chugg style but that’s about it 😉
@timothymartin2137ok genius, whatever you say. Dual reverb is a is a glorified metal zone with a tube PI and tube power section. SL-X is all tube. Hopefully you get the book “How To Read a Schematic” for Christmas 😂
Iam a Marshall guy but for that price i might go to other options from them. I have a Dsl40c that to my disapointment didnt had a master volume so i made it one and the amp gained a new soul and life. Thanks for the reply guys and keep Rockin it 🤘
@@twoguysoneamp yes but on my case i needed to get a master volume for the amp cause until then i was getting ready to change speaker cause i wasnt happy with it but once i did that it became a diferent animal. But if you go for a 100w or a 50 you prob are good,try it is not the best but it delivers and the cleans arent that bad.
A lot of the hate probably comes from the fact that these amps were new stock in the 90s and what a lot of grunge and 90s bands bought, used and recorded with. That particular tone is associated with the music many people despise.
Vladimir Lenin rippin' on the fretboard! Like it. I have that amp and other Marshalls. It's a good amp. The controversy comes in when you start comparing it to other Marshalls. It generally falls a step or two behind tone-wise but it's far from junk. On it's own it is plenty useful and has some good tones inside.
It's indeed a great amp 🙂 rather than better or worst it's different I mean it has the Marshall sound but it can sound totally different than a marshall
I tested a Roland Cube 30 and finally I bought a Friedman BE100 Deluxe which literally disintegrates his little asshole. Small detail, it is "slightly" more expensive 😅
Anything after 1983 , nope , fragile , cheaped down Except The TSL all 2000 should be a Recall Breakdown always And , the Anniversary , the LM something A triple threat , with separate pres The TSL circuit was its Predesessor
Sounds very Malevolent Creation...it's way better than the JCM 800...what is an anemic shit storm that requires a pedal. Maybe that is why 900 has diodes...who gives a shit. It's metal!
The TSL 100 was one of my favorites (at high volume). This 900 sucks balls like I remembered (played through one a friend of mine had), it's even worse than the 900 SL-X I had. I even prefer the TSL 100 over the JVM 410H I had. Had the JCM 800 2203, 2204 and 2203 KK, original Jubilee, SL-X, TSL , JVM 410 and an old 1959 SLP from '75 but none of these sounded as bad as this 900 here....
@Stefan-Van-der-Pulst I had a tsl 60 and 100. Literally the worst marshall amps I ever owned. They sounded ok but the reliability and quality if both were garbage level. Cleans were gutless and the drive channels were either mud or fizz without much in between. It was a bad time for rock music in general and marshall was trying to stay relevant to the scene. I don't blame them but there is a good reason the discontinued them
@@jaycole4691 You're right about the reliability, that's why I have had 3 of them. The 60 doesn't sound like the 100 though. And the 100 only sounds good past 4 on the master. And that is the way I used them.
Kmsl..... that's a bullshit statement. 4100 4500 yeah. The MKIII 2100 is better in every way shape or form then any JCM 800 model. It's the exact same circuit but with the extra gain stage for more gain. Same eq section same everything. To make a generalized statement like that either means A) you've never played one are B) you just put shit out there for clicks. Either way this a disservice to young guitarists that don't know the difference between High Gain Dual Reverb, SLX, and Mark III JCM 900.
900s are great. They are loved by many and were a back line staple for many years.
I own a Marshall JCM900 4100 stack...love it
I have one too - and use a Marshall Power Brake for Great Tone !
are you guys aware of the EEEEEE noise at like 10k on this recording? something on your end is not happy.
Glad I'm not the only one hearing that, I thought my tinnitus had ramped up a few notches for a few minutes, haha.
I thought yall were bs or have dog ears but I put the phone closer and heard it.
Is that because of circuit design or a faulty part?
I live in an old house and the wiring seems to affect many of my amps and pedals that way. I bought a power conditioner outlet and helps out a lot on some gear but some are e still just so noisy.
Its a transformer in the amp sounds blown
we notice that too late
we are working on that
we will have a couple of other video with this issue because we shoot them in batches
Thanks for the critics guys it really helps !!!!
@@aninja1053 lol a blown transformer? Tell me, without telling me, you have no idea what you're talking about.
After mixing live music for over 30 years - I can tell you a lot of musicians have Terrible tone despite of the equipment they have. The pros can dial their tone on a toaster.
So true
I have a lot of tour experience and I heard the worst tones by the most expensive gear ahah
The tone ? I've got a 30 watt Marshall and a EVH guitar... I can't get a bad sounding tone out of it.... Bad sound usually equal bad play.
Because they don't know how to Utilize their gear . They haven't taken the time to learn how their gear works and how each part of the signal chain interacts with the rest of the chain..
I have a SLX and it sounds top notch with ANY POWER TUBES! 6550's, EL 34's, 6L6's, whatever! Sounds fantastic compared to any of my customized early 70's Marshall Superleads period. Mix and match different Marshall's so multiple tube colors paint the aural spectrum...think Van Gogh and Rembrandt!!! You guys rock 4 real!!
The earliest versions had EL34s which have a bit more warmth and was the original design of these amps. They switched to 5881s because of a tube shortage during that time sadly making them sound thinner and giving the amp a bad name. Also, if you add like a BBE sonic maximizer or EQ pedal in the loop (or even just a cable from send to return) it adds another gain stage and makes the amp sound much better. These amps are like most Marshalls, to get the best tone out of it you have to crank that volume.
We gotta try that next time thanks!!
Good shit! The Maximizer can do so much.
Motley Crue were HUGE in Italy in the 80's, 90's and 2000's. They were bigger than Kiss was in 1983,84,85,86, until Crazy Nights came out in 87.
yeah man !!!
unfortunaltly i'm not that informed about the glam era here ( PAVI)
I still have mine that I bought new in 96. NEVER had an issue with it. It's been a beast. I had an 81 Les Paul with a particularly weak bridge pickup that didn't sound good thru it, but that was the guitar not the amp. Just a killer rig.
I played these a couple of times live. Came with the backline. Loved them.
You were lucky man ahaha
15:52 Hi guys, what OD are you using? Thanks
when hands do the talking you know its legit italiano🙌🙌🙌
the red strat like guitar is killer😍😍 what guitar is it?
Oh i just saw i have the Valvestate V150 in my basement too O_o ... it was my first amp ... Thank you guys!!!!
A red Hondo. I had a black and white Hondo strat copy. First electric i ever had
We tried one like a couple of weeks ago ...really nice !!
Very good video! 👍
Never understood the hate for the 900. One of the best sounds I ever heard from a bandmate was from a 900.
Dep said because of the dioides inside the scheme ....What a bullshit argument
@@twoguysoneamp The JCM800 2210 already included diode clipping and this amp is a legend. Above all, I think that people expected a bigger evolution when it was released, although this amp lacked dynamics compared to the 800.
sounds great guys!
My fav vader de profoundis nice shirt
The JCM 900 is good enough for Iron Maiden, and mine works great with or without pedals. The clean channel is a bit weak but that's what pedals are for!
Yeah the clean lacks a little
The amp is fine, its those speakers in the marshall Cabs, Switched to MESA over sized and it will sound even better.
We are using a Mesa ir ahahahaha
@@twoguysoneamp Just to clarify my comment was being general, as I am only listening to your demo on a laptop so I can't hear the full quality. I was specifically not knocking your tone at all Just stating a lot of the complaints against the 900 is more of an issue of the Marshall cab. I should have been more descriptive. But your video title is specific about the head only. I own a couple of Marshall heads myself
Which Marshall cab ? And which speakers?
Marshall cabs come with many different speakers.
Are you seriously suggesting that every speaker model Marshall uses sound bad ?
Mesa use mostly V30 and many Marshall cabs have V30s as well
@@adamwatson6916 No I am not suggesting every marshal can sounds bad and I am fully aware of the different speakers as well as generations of cabs. I am referring to the most common currently the Celestion G12T-75 is in my cab and sounds pretty harsh, I never use it and stick with my MESA. There has been many tests done online shooting out the 2 and there is such a clear difference.
The 900 is one of my favorite Marshall amps.
Man of great tastes ☺️
Is that a microphonic tube?
What presence and EQ Knob settings are you guys at in this?
If I remember correctly EQ on full I don't remember the presence knob to be honest
Dave Navarro used one and his stuff sounds great
Yep 👍
From all the Marshalls I really like the sound of 900s, 2000s and MF350. Why?
It is what it is man now go get them all ahaaha
I regret getting rid of my jcm 900 had the transformner replaced at a shop it took months they had to order the part from china
That's unfortunate 😟
😂 go look at a schematic of this amp…..it’s one big metal zone circuit with a power amp. Works great for Cookie Monster vocal chugg style but that’s about it 😉
Need to check it ahahah
@timothymartin2137ok genius, whatever you say. Dual reverb is a is a glorified metal zone with a tube PI and tube power section. SL-X is all tube. Hopefully you get the book “How To Read a Schematic” for Christmas 😂
Can you tell me guys which version jcm 900 do you have in this video ?
it's the 5881
Back when tone had PERSONALITY!!!!!!
Yeah man 😂 We gotta be honest and say that even today we have great amps and tones but those 90's amp are a different breeds!!!
cool video again! would be good to see you guys check out the evh iconic head.
we are working on that there's a bunch of shop here that have that we need to seal a deal !!!
The EVH Iconic is EPIC.
The jcm 900 is a great amp it can do it all.
I got mine for 390€ LOL.
It should be a crime getting it for that money 😂😂😂
suena muy bien!!
I never Hated this Amp...because my first Amp was an 1986 JCM 800 2205....I would never own one...but sounds fine.
How much does it cost?
An original one from the use market I think it's between 600/1000
If you are from the USA I think it's a lot more
Iam a Marshall guy but for that price i might go to other options from them.
I have a Dsl40c that to my disapointment didnt had a master volume so i made it one and the amp gained a new soul and life.
Thanks for the reply guys and keep Rockin it 🤘
@@lets_rock_it you are not the first that talks about the DSL series I need to check one of those
@@twoguysoneamp yes but on my case i needed to get a master volume for the amp cause until then i was getting ready to change speaker cause i wasnt happy with it but once i did that it became a diferent animal.
But if you go for a 100w or a 50 you prob are good,try it is not the best but it delivers and the cleans arent that bad.
A lot of the hate probably comes from the fact that these amps were new stock in the 90s and what a lot of grunge and 90s bands bought, used and recorded with. That particular tone is associated with the music many people despise.
I love it because of those grunge bands !!!!
Hey this is my only Marshall... since 10 years in my basement :'(
Vladimir Lenin rippin' on the fretboard! Like it.
I have that amp and other Marshalls. It's a good amp. The controversy comes in when you start comparing it to other Marshalls. It generally falls a step or two behind tone-wise but it's far from junk. On it's own it is plenty useful and has some good tones inside.
It's indeed a great amp 🙂 rather than better or worst it's different I mean it has the Marshall sound but it can sound totally different than a marshall
the strat sounds great through there.
Thanks man it's a Hondo from the late 70's
I used to have a 900, and I thought it sounded great. I sold it because it was just too loud.
Too loud is not on our vocabulary ahahaha but I can understand
Marshalls best always. However, it was a bit noisy in the quiet bits.
We were cranking it and single coils don't do us a favor ahahah
Dude we already filmed the comparison with a 90's recto
Thanks, I'll check your other vids and rock on.@@twoguysoneamp
Ciao cicci
What's that ringing lol I thought my house was on fire 😂
???
@@twoguysoneamp sounds like a fire alarm going off like high pitch sound ringing...great demo btw
@@playauthentic1082 ah ok ahaha It's a weird way to show love tho ahahaha
@@twoguysoneamp lol there unrelated there's a ringing sound in the video. Haha 😂
@@playauthentic1082 we noticed it we are working on it we have some electrical issue thanks for noticing it too !!
I test drove this model when it first came out and it lacked tone in many ways...picked up a Soldano 50 hot rod + which side by side blew the 900 away
Eeeeeh the soldano is the soldano
I tested a Roland Cube 30 and finally I bought a Friedman BE100 Deluxe which literally disintegrates his little asshole. Small detail, it is "slightly" more expensive 😅
Anything after 1983 , nope , fragile , cheaped down
Except The TSL all 2000 should be a Recall
Breakdown always
And , the Anniversary , the LM something
A triple threat , with separate pres
The TSL circuit was its Predesessor
6100?
2 minutes to midnight
Grazie mille!!!
I thought it was the Marshall MA series the most hated
Every guitar player that hates these JCM900 always place an overdrive pedal in front of the amp... And they still complain about diodes! smh
That's what we said ...the guitar community is fucked up lol
Sounds great but that's because you can play.
thanks man !!! But it's all thanks to marshall !!!
look, this amp was typically matched with a cab w/gt75s...the worst celestion ever.
The ONLY thing I hate is the price!
I don't know where you live but here in Italy in the used market is 600/1000 euro which is not that bad for an original one from the 90
Sounds very Malevolent Creation...it's way better than the JCM 800...what is an anemic shit storm that requires a pedal. Maybe that is why 900 has diodes...who gives a shit. It's metal!
if it's metal is good !!!
I think the marshall triple super lead was a far worse amp😅😅😅
The TSL 100 was one of my favorites (at high volume). This 900 sucks balls like I remembered (played through one a friend of mine had), it's even worse than the 900 SL-X I had. I even prefer the TSL 100 over the JVM 410H I had. Had the JCM 800 2203, 2204 and 2203 KK, original Jubilee, SL-X, TSL , JVM 410 and an old 1959 SLP from '75 but none of these sounded as bad as this 900 here....
@Stefan-Van-der-Pulst I had a tsl 60 and 100. Literally the worst marshall amps I ever owned. They sounded ok but the reliability and quality if both were garbage level. Cleans were gutless and the drive channels were either mud or fizz without much in between. It was a bad time for rock music in general and marshall was trying to stay relevant to the scene. I don't blame them but there is a good reason the discontinued them
@@jaycole4691 You're right about the reliability, that's why I have had 3 of them. The 60 doesn't sound like the 100 though. And the 100 only sounds good past 4 on the master.
And that is the way I used them.
if you send us those amp we can do a shootout ahaha
if you send us those amp we can do a shootout ahaha
asino
Ahahhaha
Kmsl..... that's a bullshit statement. 4100 4500 yeah. The MKIII 2100 is better in every way shape or form then any JCM 800 model. It's the exact same circuit but with the extra gain stage for more gain. Same eq section same everything. To make a generalized statement like that either means A) you've never played one are B) you just put shit out there for clicks. Either way this a disservice to young guitarists that don't know the difference between High Gain Dual Reverb, SLX, and Mark III JCM 900.
i had one they suck bad tone shitty effects loop
Fuck we didn't try that !!!
Next time we should talk about fx loop in general !
Still have a JCM 800 2210 rotting in my basement. That is what I call an really bad sounding amp😊. Pure crap.
if you don't mind you can send it to us ahahaa we aare more than happy to have that crappy head ahahaa
Hated by who? Blues dads? It's literally "they" Punk amp.