The Future of Cardfight!! Vanguard
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- While the popularity of the game has been soaring this past year, Bushiroad suddenly put out a huge strategy file regarding their plans until 2027 - with a big focus on Vanguard's future.
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STEP One Make Dear Days affordable in the US. Step two make it easier for local game stores to benefit from your game.
It is affordable though? I own it plus both card pass and all additional npc, if i can afford it when i make like $15 to spend a month cuz i live where rent is $10k a month then anyone can afford it
@@xbon1 Dear Days has 52 players on steam as I'm posting this comment, if you think that's healthy for a game with PvP then idk what to tell you.
If local game stores want to profit from Vanguard in a way that also benefits the player base, they need to put in some effort to promote the game. Overpriced promos and terrible ratios shouldn’t be the solution. LGSs need to host game nights and put effort into promo tournaments. Advertise the game on social media and hang posters in the store. If no effort is put into promoting the game then you won’t see profit
Based and true. And make promos not cost absurd amounts of money.
@@xbon1it’s $70 base and like hundreds of dollars in dlc and counting it is not affordable
I discovered Vanguard back in 2012 because UA-cam recommended me episode 65 of the anime, the final fight between Aichi and Ren in the first season. Despite not knowing what was happening, I still thought the anime was really cool! A few years later I introduced a friend to the game and we would play in the school library, which is where students who played TCGs usually went to. Some people asked what I was playing and I said Vanguard. In that library only one person knew what Vanguard was (besides me and my friend). I was surprised only one person there knew about this game, but I remembered I only knew about the existence of Vanguard by pure chance/luck. Over the years I thought Bushiroad would have put more effort into advertising the game outside Japan so more people would know about it besides stumbling across the anime like I did long ago. As it turns out, they never did put in more effort. So, how do they expect to become the number 1 TCG in the WORLD when they don't even try to bring attention it outside of Japan? The fact that this has been a problem for over a decade and Bushiroad (to my knowledge, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) has never even attempted to resolve it is astonishing, to say the least. The closest I think people could argue is Cardfight Online, but unfortunately that died before it even began so the only ones who knew that existed were already fans of Vanguard. But I truly believe that if CFO was not abandoned that Vanguard probably would have caught more mainstream attention. I really hope whatever Bushi has planned soon for Vanguard involves getting more eyes on the game. Sorry if this comment feels really long (to whoever is reading this), I just really love Vanguard and wish to see it grow and rise up in popularity around the world.
I got into the game the exact same way. Just surfing youtube and thought the anime looked cool, so I bought the Blaster Blade trial deck that year. Good times
you're not wrong
I use to have a semi medium size community of vanguard players but the shop closed and after that you had to go out of your way to even find a place that sold product yet alone players. But hopefully they making an online game like master duel at least to get people playing
Bushiroad being a multimedia company is their biggest hinderance imo
Right !! They have a golden goose in Cardfight Vanguard with an Anime to promote it, good game mechanics, fun gameplay
And yet are too fucking stupid to focus mostly if not solely on it's GLOBAL growth. Developp an international digital interface. Reach out to LGS, and I mean ALL and ANY LGS. No point in the game growing if a guy in a small towin in Idaho has no one to play with, and simply is buying for collection and consuming media around the IP.
People shouln't have to drive miles to get to a town with a LGS that has a VG community for christ's sake !
Languages: How come MTG, YGO and Pokemon all are avaible in over 10 languages and yet Bushiroad is fine with only having EN, KOR and JP. And then has the hubris of "trying to aim for number 1 TCG"
I'm sorry this has turned into a rant. But I'm so fed up with blatant mismanagement of a TCG. If you can't manage TCG properly, sell the IP, and go explore other markets.
I understand to an extent wanting to diversify you're sources of income in a ever fluctuating market. But you don't need multiple IPs in the SAME market. Keep ONE TCG and focus on it !!
@@robinsgryer6237VG is hardly a golden goose. Bushi's real golden goose is Weiss Schwarz. They can just slap any popular anime or other IP on it and rake in the cash.
I agree. Vanguard is like their biggest IP. They should focus on that more than their other IPs.
@@robinsgryer6237I agree with you fully. I also live in a small town where there's no one to play with. Bushiroad should definitely focus on Vanguard more.
We just need a Vanguard version of Master Duel, that's all I ask :)
It would help their global expansion if their tournament structure wasn't so awful outside Japan. Right now it's hard to justify dropping money into their products when they're limited to kitchen table play if you don't live near a Bushiroad hub. That said, Shadowverse Evolve is the best kitchen table TCG I've played in years.
Shadowverse had the luck that Bushiroad grabbed an existing Digital card game which was already popular thanks to Cygames and did a TCG version of it.
The actual funny will be if bushi decides to create a new format or restructures the existing formats. It’s a massive risk that isn’t exactly uncalled for, the players leaving problem if fixed might actually lead to some legit growth.
At this point I’m just so disengaged that all I want is at least the formats to at least have some drama to talk about because it’s so boring. Hell, even premium as interesting as the format gets is getting boring. I just want some massive wave to stir up the excitement again.
May I know what psyqualia is and who has it in all the released series? Thank you
I´m from Latin America, here vanguard communities are very small because some shop overprice products cause there are not official stores, so I really would like to see Vanguard and their others tcg like shadowverse or WS expand, because I sometimes tried to push friends into vanguard but they dont get in because how difficult is get some product at a fair price or the they do not speak english, so it would be nuts if they expand Vanguard like that
Kinda sad to see V apparently hit the game pretty hard, I personally really enjoyed that format.
I'm also not really playing vanguard currently, not a huge fan of the way Overdress has been so far nor have a lot of people at my locals specifically, especially with some of the prices of cards i.e. Brainwash Swirler needing to be reprinted twice, as well as the promo situation. I'm really not sure what it would take for me to jump back into the game currently, I really don't know, but I figured I'd be the one guy to show V some love lol
Love watching the content as always DF, love seeing your insight into the game even though I don't play it as much these days and have moved over to Digimon! Will always continue to support 💜
DCG/OP player: *handshake*
If Bushi wants Vanguard to grow, they need to fix the ratios for their products. The secondary market is out of control and the ludicrous prices make it almost impossible to recommend to those who are thinking of picking up their first TCG
Its far from just that, but yeah you are in the right track, think more of how magic took the world and apply that
Agree 💯
Despite all the growth, I can't help but feel disenfranchised as a player with the larger push towards more expensive and exclusive product releases that emphasize more limited quantities of tournament staples. I've lost a ton of income this last year, and Vanguard has quickly become something I can't afford between their increasing MSRPs for new products like their preconstructed deck sets and limited print runs for things like V and P history collection that cause the handful of staples in there like Harmonics Messiah to be insanely expensive despite being designed as a 1 of in most decks. The Dear Days pricing model just further pushes players like me that have less money to spend from doing anything with the game.
The best step for Vanguard to make in order to expand is to gain exposure and accessibility by capitalizing on the casual market (just like Pokémon), by selling product at places like Walmart or Target. I've been playing Vanguard for 3 years now, but I didn't even know Vanguard existed before that if it wasn't for my friend who introduced me into the game.
Same, a mate invited me to come along to locals and check the game out a few months ago, I forgot the game existed before that. Funnily enough, the LGS is (apparently) the largest Vanguard distributor in Australia. Magic is my main game and has bigger event turnout at a different LGS 3-5 times a week. Maybe they expect the anime viewers to make it all happen? Maybe they think the game is so good that it speaks for itself (or they're aiming that way) so that word of mouth will carry?
They used to sell the OG run of cards at all the big box stores but it was during the beginning of the power creep that consumed the first run and sets were getting devalued really quickly which dissolved trust in their products
"Aiming to become the world's No 1 TCG company" ?
"Global expansion" ?
I've watched best-ofs of Family Feud like crazy this week but this is still the best joke I've heard of the week LOL. It's kinda cute, but as a European who has not seen this continent mentioned a single time (nor Australia), I'm somewhat doubtful. But by all means, prove me wrong.
As a fellow European I feel you there buddy 😅
I’m hoping for Vanguard return to mobile market, hopefully sometimes next year.
I'm hoping for an official simulator some day, Yugioh is doing it with Master Duel, Magic was one of the first ones doing it, even Bandai is doing it with Dragon Ball TCG. Vanguard tried to do it years ago but they gave up without trying to release it, hope they actually have the courage to release that simulator one day
Dragon Ball is making a simpler version of their main game that is getting a mobile game.
@@symphonixbladesdear days exist?
@@nmr7203really? What is it called?
Every time Bushi releases a new game it worries me if the game I currently play of theirs is gonna survive. They market within their community instead of outside of it, like I saw zero advertising for Shadowverse outside of regionals and other Bushi games. The way they market games(within their other games) doesn’t make the company more money, players that play multiple of their games simply spread their money among all the games they play, so essentially they make less profit in games they use to.
I’ve played every game they dropped in English, buddyfight(my forever love), Luck & Logic, Dragoborne, OG Vanguard, Vamguard G(soft reboot), Vanguard V(hard reboot), Weiss, Vanguard Overdress, and now Shadowverse. At first when they announced a new game it was exciting, play something new, meeting new people, less luck than Vanguard. Now whenever they announce a new game I’m like oh geez please let the current main game I’m playing survive this.
So I feel how you feel Kris, I pray they learn to focus on what they have and make it as good as Pokémon. If not I hope the games I love at least survive lol
Buddyfight is to this day the best game Bushiroad ever made and it’s a damn shame they killed it off
We have the same goal. I also wish to show the potential of card games as a communication tool. I have seen many people connect souls through card games. You are an inspiration to me as I haven't found the dedication to do things on the scale that you have. I wish you luck on your journey, Different Fight. You got this! Danzen!
This is such a sweet comment... You're inspiring me now !!!
@@littlebelowski Glad to hear it! Reach for the stars!
Exactly!!
Be on the top as it used too, they need to supposrt it and provide the ability for introduce the game to more people.
Making it accesible is key, definitely and app would help, (to the level of Master duel, Magic Arena and pokemon tcg live)
Big things for bushiroad overall id love to see:
1. Give NA enough man power and time to actually have some pomp and circumstance for their "conferences". A powerpoint presentation does not cut it and they deserve to have the resources to do more
2. Fix promo distibution and distribution in general because if they really want to push to be a global force we cant keep having promo distribution issues and product delays
3. Magical christmas land I'd love to see them double the locations for events on the global side because having to drive 8 hours minimum to get to an event sucks. This is mitigated with the online events so they could offer more of those with a path to nationals and I'd be 100% ok with that.
4. Absolutely do more coverage for events. While i dont think we necessarily need feature matches across the whole tournament id love to see the top cut matches get streamed if possible.
5. Lowest on the list for a reason but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FIX DEAR DAY'S PRICING. This is more of a personal gripe and while I 100% support and understand that they need to make money on the game why would i bother spending 70+ on this when ive got physical cards that i want to buy plus other things in my life demanding my paychecks attention? Dear days is cool and I'd love to play it but at the end of the day it's not practical for me to spend 70+ on a game that isnt going to give me an even remotely up to date play experience when i could just boot up TTS with the same people id play dear days with. Online and story mode do add to the worth but only so much.
also honestly, if Dear Days is gonna be this badly monetized at least make the game catch up to like... the TCG
I want them to push for product to be sold in places like walmart, barnes and noble, target, etc. If they want VG to be absolutely huge they imo this is a good way to do it.
the dear days prices arent bushis fault its furyus bushi has no controal they just give the ip rights and a direction the game goes
A commenter here restated that bushi has little control over the price. That’s fair.
What I’m more concerned is that bushi themselves should know of price signaling. There is enough evidence to show the game’s poor sale of late yet refused to drop the game on sale frequently.
Dear days is the partial answer to the secondary market, incentivizing people to try the d series and possibly introduce them to the physical game while not over spending.
However, their pricing model is just shit. If you don’t buy the dlc, nobody is going to play ranked consistently. Why couldn’t they develop more story, get people to be incensitivsed to get the dlc as well. Anywho, if I’m paying 70 for a card game, I best better be getting most of the DLCs as free. They are just pricing the game according to their own, not against other alternatives that gamers would spend on. Why would I spend so much on dlc where I could translate them to many other AAA titles.
They really need to sit down and fix their dear days problem, their model is even worse than Overwatch.
@@KesslerVTuber I dont know why people think this is the answer. Walmart doesn't provide you with a place to actually sit down and play the game, Walmart is not going to demo or teach you the game, and they're not going to run events or give you promos.
Selling product through major retailers is not going to help the game grow. You can't just put out more product and expect people to buy it. If bushiroad wants to do that, they need to start actually supporting local game stores.
Vanguard could use an official simulator, separate from Dear Days. There are currently little to no Cardfight! simulators, with all of them being fan creations and/or mods on top of other base simulators. I would aim away from a Gacha system, as well, though I doubt this part would be the case, as Bushroad would need a way to make money off it. The simulator could also potentially advocate for cooperative play for the fanbase, including Clan/Nation fights, Clan/Nation trades between members of those nations/clans, and so on.
If was along the lines of master duel in execution would be perfect. Able to sync your account across console and mobile would be ideal
A vanguard version of MD would be awesome. I thought VG Zero was doing alright for what it was, but that may just be my opinion. It would be cool to see a multi-platform game that doesn’t have to be as detailed as Dear Days, and that follows one of the format tracks
Thank you for taking the time to break this down and even translating to English! I appreciate the vision that you have on TCGs. This also has shown Bushiroad's mindset when it comes to Vanguard's growth/focus. Because you're right, all of us players and content creators are heavily invested into the game so we would love to see it continually grow. Especially content creators since we do a lot of the recording/editing/traveling/meeting players/etc. Ultimately we want Vanguard to grow for the best. Thanks again Kris!
If Bushiroad's attempt to put in more effort involves doubling down on hard to get staple promos, high rarity generic staples, and repeating what happened with history collection, then the future of Vanguard is very uncertain.
Popularity of the game has been soaring**
**in Japan only.
I wish Kris would visit the US, somewhere that's not NYC or LA, and see for himself how hopeless it is to find a local shop that isn't MTG and DnD only.
@@No2hISwear Even MTG isn't doing so hot with players. The only game I see doing consistent numbers for locals is Yugioh.
The tournament participation numbers I quoted are English events, if that means anything
@@DifferentFight Events that are in major city centers. And there isn't even one of those near me. The closest for me would be Chicago or NY and they're 7 hour drives for me. And that's the closest. This isn't like EU or JP where you can just jump on the train and be at a major city center and everything is relatively close together. If you live in the wrong part of the US, you're just screwed. It may be thriving in places that ALREADY HAD STRONG COMMUNITIES, but everywhere else is suffering and suffering BADLY.
It's just upsetting, I love this game but it really seems like bushi only cares about Japan. I want to keep playing but I've been trying to grow my locals and after over 2 years of me pushing it hard we have a whole 4 man locals, and 2 of us are myself and my friend who got me into VG in 2013. That's ONE whole new player per year, and I've been working my ass off pushing this game. I work for a card store for crying out loud.
I' feel like I'd just be better off dropping this for One Piece.
@@geek593 2 shops in my area and there is 0 Yugioh players in both. It's all MTG commander, and tabletop roleplaying games like DND and LoTR. And of course they sell Pokemon for the kids, no tournaments. Closest for YGO for me is an hour away (not counting city traffic)
The only thing i personally want from bushiroad is for them to allow more local card shops to sell vanguard products. There is nothing more upsetting than calling card shops and hearing that the only products they sell are old playmats
I hope they bring more effort to expanding the game in Latin America. We do have a competitive vanguard scene in Mexico but it would be nice to see it expand further, maybe even reach the level of Yu-Gi-Oh in Mexico and other countries
This, the game is dying in brazil because 1: its not in portuguese. 2: no easy imports since there's no officisl distribution. 3: the same problem everywhere, they don't market it, so no one knows what vanguard even is
Same in Argentina, we get the cards thru the secondary market, but none are in spanish (so we rely on the few that understand english to explain the cards and that limits our grow by a lot) and getting a single tournament promo is practically impossible. Prices are damn crazy and we get everything so damn late it is ridiculous.
We sustain the community by organizing every single player in the country but it is getting us so far.
BUSHI YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON A DAMN BIG MARKET IN LATAM WTF.
@@paulolucero9864 yeah. You'd think that the fact that mexico has a world champion and one 2nd place worldwide would be incentive for bushi too focus more on latin america
Vangaurd literally killed itself here in canada we only have a couple shops that cary there cards here they say they dont like the practice where they Bushi kills stuff randomly sooo the guy told me that he probably wont bring those cards in ever after that i gave up Dear days is expensive the tcg is nonexistent in my region whats the point lol Zero helped atleast having something but they killed that in G era lol this company has really bad time montizing or there just money hungry sooo it is what it is
Its crazy how I never met a single weiss player irl but so many collectors of cards, looking at the hololive sp card prices is insane the lengths people go towards for their favorite character is enough to keep weiss growing strong lmao
That's a bit sad for me, I really enjoyed Weiss but dropped off since there is nowhere to play near me, the nearest is probably around 4 hours travel time. I still have my old decks but it may not playable anymore since I think bushi o
no longer has a license for Visu Arts/Key and by extension Angel Beats.
Honestly? I can’t see the game living that long outside of Japan unless Bushi changes their ways. People can whine all they want about Yugioh but at least Konami has had a better track record of marketing their game outside of Japan than Bushi ever will.
Edit: They want to be number 1? With their business practices?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
If they want to be as big as Yugioh then they need to take way more ideas from Yugioh. Structure decks, Mega Tins, Multipme reprint sets, Master Duel and way more.
Bushiroad is coming across like they're trying to be Nintendo more than TPCI. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, but definitely incredibly (and maybe naively) ambitious. The problem is that they need to have a TPCI-like company for Vanguard. Without that, and without sufficient resources going to Vanguard I can't see them breaking through any of these barriers they want to
It's nice that vanguard's popularity IS going up some, but I can't find it anywhere in local shops. Stuff seems so hard to come by physically out here that I'm kinda stuck playing the game online I guess...
it's only going up in places that already had it. anywhere else you'd be better off trying to find literal buried treasure.
Hell yeah dude same here the only place that has VG is a full hour drive from my place. another shop thats like 30min from my place has VG...
but they are bent on Yugi/POKEMON/Digi lmao
I wonder what could have stopped from doing history collection ratios as like V collection format, ala 12 clans separated into 2 volumes and having everything be guaranteed 1 copy per booster box, I still prefer that over the current ratios for history col due to apparently them underprinting the harmonics reprint, its 2 per case apparently, which a lot of premium players want either due to the updated text or the nice foiling(the sp one is super neat in foil)
the problems of vanguard overseas currently are:
1. overpriced af promos that are also staples in the secondary market(my ptsd of twin order v has been revived due to this)
2. delayed shipping of product and promo that are staples
3. lack of an official online service where we can play the game that includes all the cards in all formats(dear days is nice but 70 dollar price tag is off putting to most of us and its only supporting the most recent format)
it feels like bushi is trying their best but its hard for me to believe that they actually want to do promo staples where most of V you dont really need those to make your deck good
Ever since i saw elementaria PR/ eva PR/ thegrea PR have been surging in price in overseas like bruh, bushi you can do better than that
I was wondering if I want to change to ygo ocg considering that ocg english is a few months away and i dont mind waiting since they are going to release heroes starter deck one day, but not right now and konami has always been receptive to ocg players in good faith, and they ban stuff that are too strong for the current game.
Tryna calculate blocking the overtrigger be like: 3:04
Rebirth4U literally became a Stardom collectible so wouldnt be surprised to see it go
I really hope Bushiroad distributes Vanguard to more stores in the U.S finding vanguard cards in places like Walmart and Target is impossible. The only place that sells the cards in my area is a card shop. Most people in America haven't even heard of Vanguard. So this is why Vanguard isn't as big here as Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh.
New Bushiroad game?
Can’t wait to see the return of Buddyfight
Funny thing is, buddyfight is very populair in Thailand. So populair even that the game is being continued in Thailand by new personal of Thailand. New cards and all!
Bushi say anything:
DF: Does this mean we'll get a Master Duel? 🤔
Damn! It would be awesome to see Kris (Different Fight) and Brian (The Professor) together in the future. It would feel like a Super Sentai and Kamen Rider movie. Or TNMT and power rangers working in conjunction jeje. My best wishes my friend.
Okay, I've been a vanguard fan for like the last 6 years and I've only just been able to get my hands on a couple of start decks (Listen being an Indian vanguard fan ain't easy) and I've managed to get both a friend and sibling into almost immediately despite them never having heard of them before.
I would straight up buy dear days for all of us if the pricing wasn't absolutely atrocious. Also more international would be nice but that's mostly wishful thinking.
Agreed, being an Indian Vanguard fan is not easy. I really wish they have atleast one Bushiroad shop here in India. It would be of so much help.
Yeah, I don’t get the deal with Dear Days’ pricing. Doesn’t seem like its in a position to try and get more people to play whenever their competitors’ IPs have free to play mobile games that are infinitely more accessible and more advertised than any Vanguard media. It seems more like they want whatever’s left of the global community to spend more money to get as much as they can while Japan solely reaps the benefits.
Keep up the good work! I’m happy to have such a good Vanguard streamer to accompany me through my experience! ;D
PS: I love your philosophy!
"World N°1"... well, not happening if everybody outside Japan (especially Europe) has a bad distribution (hello Promo Hell)
Hey DifferentFight I really wish that this game would flourish
TCG needs to be bigger in European Countries, could just be me in the UK but only a few players over here, a big push could do wonders to help expand the knowledge of this great game and help it reach new heights outside of Japan
Also from UK, and I agree. I only have two decks, which were given to me, but other than that I know no one who knows the game; nor anyone who wants to try and play the game, so the decks are just sitting there.
This whole thing seems extremely Japan centric, to catch up the WotC (Magic and D&D). A quick google search shows that Bushi's revenue was 0.34 billion in 2022 while WotC was 5.34 billion (both USD). They'd literally need to 15x to pass them.
Pokemon is big, but locally in Melbourne, AUS, not the size of MtG. Depending on the format, my MtG locals (5 or 6 shops within 20 mins shops) will pull between 20 and 40 people. Pokemon is a bit, but consistently smaller. CFV (1 main shop and 1 other runs it as a side game) maybe gets 10-12 on a good day.
If any tcg channel could save this game, it's you bro. Sorry to put all that preasure on ya but we're counting on you!
I'd like to see a vanguard version of master duel. A long with same day promos released both in america and japan. A long with a decent reprint system of staple promos for tournaments.
As someone that lives in the US I feel like it's going to be so hard for them to get anywhere near Magic or Pokemon. Unless wotc does something to just gut their player base with how greedy they have been getting but so many people are so infranchised with it.
What is more effect in the West feels like no one work on the English side.
1. Stop making staple promotes for decks it gate keeps players playing that deck. ( I saw the future promotes and it's cool art with cards the ready exits keep on doing that)
2. Online client ( I want to remind a friend to learn the game easy fun way and accessible for other countries to try the game.)
3. More Tournaments in the west (Vanguard players need more tournaments to play the game)
4. Live stream top cut at BCS ( It will get more tcg fans notices the game at a high level)
5. Bans list (Have some on the English side know our metagame if that is V, S, or P)
I know they won't stop doing this but they can't really do a brand new IP tcg in the West because the shop will not buy their product. After all, Bushiroad has a lot of history where brand-new tcg IP does not last long. If doing a new tcg it has to be Buddy Fight or don't see it being successful in the West. They must be doing brand new IP of tcg that doesn't do well and lose a lot of trust from players and shops. Vanguard is ready in ice right now.
I am from the UK before the covide happened I travel all around the UK to play Vanguard and at least every tcg shop I saw I could play Vanguard tournaments. Right only go to 2 shops that have good numbers of players playing Vanguard near me and the other shop only does a Vanguard tournament once a month.
I had high hopes for Bushi Navi but our lgs here in Buenos Aires that has been official for years (never received support for even ONE shop challenge in all this time, always ghosted by distributors) hasn't received any information about the app and the owners wouldn't even know of its existence if I wasn't a judge. Missing some communication there.
Omg DF is a trauma center OST enjoyer ❤
As a Latino American I hope 11:26 concretizes. Here in Brazil there is not a single store who sells Vanguard cards. And I really wanted to play…
Vanguard needs a Masterduel and better marketing
Just hoping to see more care put into trying to grow the game through things such as video games and popular crossovers
I wish they pulled up some comparisons with other TCGs. For example, if Vanguard tripled in sales, how much did Pokemon and Yugioh increase? Did Pokemon also Triple or was it more? How can Bushiroad eat more of the TCG market pie.
Bushiroad should take more bigger risks in the west & try to decrease the secondary market pricing for the ENG market of the game to help all players. Promo staple cards should be in the booster set & just have alternative arts for staple cards but Bushiroad trying to artificially increase tournament attendance. DLC Pricing for CFV Deer Days is terrible in the west in general & just WS being saved by Hololive simps
Can somebody tag bushiroad in this video? I badly need their opinion about this eye opening real talks
I wonder what this new TCG is. Maybe the finally are going to release that "Dominator" game the brought like in 2018. Was that game not from the maker of buddyfight? I thoughts he was now doing the game gate ruler
RIP future card buddyfight
I don't think talking about the business side of games is boring, there have been podcast & UA-cam channels doing the same thing for years.
SVE lauched very successfully here. All boxes sold out within the first week. Now we don't have any packs to open and people can't play lmao.
If they really want to expand VG they need to make CFV DD cross-play, that’s all. It’s already the definitive standard game so just keep building on it for years to come and GIVE CROSSPLAY! Also we need the EX cards, hopefully those come
Bushiroad as the world's #1 TCG company? I'd believe that If they hadn't neglected North America due to the TCG market being too crowded right now where as they're focusing their attention on marketing their TCG's to other countries where there's less competition outside of North America.
North America currently has: Magic: The Gathering, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Pokémon TCG, Disney's Lorcana, My Hero Academia CCG, Flesh and Blood TCG, Grand Archive, MetaZoo, One Piece TCG, Digimon CCG, Dragon Ball Super CCG, Battle Spirits Saga, Kryptik TCG, and Sorcery TCG. How does Bushiroad expect Cardfight!! Vanguard to compete against THAT many TCG's right now?
After paying attention to pokemon tcg the last few months, the regionals are everything we wanted bushiroad events to be. Buddyfight was fun but it is hard to see bushiroad providing support for western players the way other card games are supported like you mention. Pushing more 'new tcgs' always seem to push old ones out.
Oh wow, a very nostalgic name to see in my comments haha
Yeah definitely agree! It’s what I’ve been trying to push Bushi to do as well but my voice is very small
@DifferentFight good luck brother. I wouldn't hate seeing some more of the pokemon content either lol. The VGC scene for pokemon is very entertaining too.
Vanguard isnt even on the front page of tcgplayer, that's pretty telling for me here in the states.
Does anyone have the link to the pdf in this?
Bushi and shitting out new TCGs has always been a pretty sour spot for me, not after Luck and Logic again
As someone that grew up with this game it's honestly infuriating how Bushiroad actively tries to play it safe with their successes and put the risks into new IPs instead of bolstering the IPs that DO WORK (Vanguard, NJPW, Weiss, SVE). Someone said in the discord something along the lines of "Bushiroad is literally Vanguard's biggest enemy," so true and it's so disheartening.
For a fun perspective, I'm a huge professional wrestling fan including NJPW and the Wrestling industry is seeing one of the biggest booms in popularity EVER (for example, there is a wrestling promotion that got Wembley Stadium for a pay-per-view and sold almost 80k tickets iirc) and NJPW is not really trying to push to be the best in a similar way in Vanguard but to stay "relevant", at least for the English audience I have no clue what the JP advertising for NJPW is like.
To sum up my point/tldr of my point is that it feels like Bushiroad is scared to even try to push beyond what their successful IPs could attain and just keep giving us no feedback or word soup about what they 'plan to do.' Bushiroad is Vanguard and Bushiroad's biggest enemy. (And apologies if my post is too vague, tried to keep it short)
Actually a very very cool video, havent kept up with vanguard for months but I hope ill return
In my opinion vanguard aged really bad. They just didn't know what to do and made a reboot of a 10 years franchise. And here we are, in a new era, still playing blaster blade, they still make clones as RR+ cards, and this mask thing is like link joker all over again.
Vanguard feels like it didn't grow up, it doesn't even have an Spanish release or a f2p online simulator anymore.
Hope to god that the new tcg is a buddyfight reboot
It does kinda piss me off about the making different ip things when they dropped Buddyfight. I think a rebrand couldve brought the game back like with overdress
I agree. I lived the game. But in case you didn't know. The game is being continued in Thailand. New cards and all!
speaking as a ws player, it seems like bushiroad is content to just ride the current hololive product profit wave and isn't very concerned about longterm increases in the playerbase overseas, which is incredibly frustrating to watch
they've also taken some horrible missteps with card design/how the metagame environment will look overseas after localizing product in the past two years, but it doesn't hurt their bottom line because the vast vast majority of their overseas (and possibly domestic, I'm not too sure how it is in JP anymore) sales are from collectors who aren't concerned with how the game plays anyway
ws has already had a reputation overseas for being a casual sacky cardgame (similar to how discussions of pokemon's mechanics went in the discourse on twitter this past week lmao), and I really wish bushiroad would at least try to change that by taking its tournament play a bit more seriously. it's very hard to get people to spend 2-300 on a deck for a game they don't think is competitive, especially coming from other games where the entry cost is significantly cheaper
theres also this huge disconnect bushiroad has always had when dealing with the overseas market as if they were dealing with domestic where lgs are forced to stock x amount of product in order to qualify as a tournament store, which when you consider how bushiroad will randomly release dead product (ive heard this happening for multiple bushiroad games over the years inc ws and cfv) turns off stores from carrying product and hosting tournaments. like either look into changing product for the overseas market or get this fantasy that stores will jump at the bit to tank your dead product out of your head cmon man
I hope if Bandai announces digital versions of Digimon and One Piece TCGs like they did the Dragon Ball Super TCG that maybe Bushi will be pushed to make Digital online versions of their games.
Dear Days doesn't exist
@@windwaker0rules right cause bushi only makes vanguard and nothing else and totally doesn't drop a new tcg that fails every 4 or so years.
I live in an area that had pretty much stopped supporting all Bushiroad TCGs (including the products), and with the shutting down of Vanguard Zero, all of my cards and decks have essentially become collections for me since the "nearest" shop is too far for me to reasonably frequent or go to. Other than maybe caving and getting Dear Days, Vanguard is kinda just limited to a collectable hobby via TCGPlayer purchases when I am able to afford it.
Number 1 TCG company seems SUPER unrealistic for Bushiroad. I guess Weiss is the closest thing they have to get into that status, then again, is super dependent on NOT Bushiroad. Vanguard is in a unfortunate situation in the west, promos and all, and Shadowverse seems to be in a good place, but everyone is trying to get a piece of the TCG pie so it can just get buried by Disney and Bandai.
A new TCG is not the play imo. Not only we don't know until when this TCG "golden age" will last but, with both Weiss and Vanguard surviving the test of time and Shadowverse doing good by itself, it would just be better for them to invest further into these properties(Also i guess rebirth is close to getting the axe lol).
I'd love for a duelist legacy type game for vanguard
I hope they give us more CFvanguard digital games. Really need to expand out, unsure of Pokemon would have had lasting popularity if it didn't have videogames to cater to mainstream audiences. Additionally Pokemons has since 1996 to become a cross generational cross cultural thing with parents now introducing it to their kids, can't really get vanguard to explode like that in like an eight of its lifetime.
Also can't blame them for launching new ip's best way to ensure there's something available for people who feel like it's too hard to get into years of vanguard at this point.
The problem I see with weiss is that it's dependent on the anime property ip they get so some of that money is being cost shared with other companies and also on waiting to see which anime gets popular in JPN and abroad.
So many games tbh and it is nice they are growing.
There are few things bushi can fix.
1. Promo distribution or at least do not make promos that fix the deck. These cards should belong in core sets. Period.
2. Coverage on events. Its not hard to do that really. If konami and other company can do it, so does bushiroad.
3. Reprints. Do not make crap tier sets like history collection with horrible ratios or festival collection. 3-cards boosters shouldnt be a thing. It didnt work in yugioh and it also sold poorly in vanguard case. You need to open a case to pull 2-3 harmonics messiah if you want to get into premium. That card is now like 80$. They should just fire a guy responsible for both of these sets.
4. Pricing of dear days. Really that game got AAA price tag. Why should I bother droping 70$ for a cardgame simulator, when I got CFA Arena or yugioh master duel for free? Paid DLC makes it even more pay2win in multiplayer. That game should have been half of this price, because its ridiculous that this kind of game costs the same as Resident Evil 4 Remake or Deadspace Remake which offer multiple playthroughs and more work was put into them.
5. Good banlists. D should at least hit some problematic staples or hit chronojet in some way. Stop being afraid of hitting sealed product xd Every card game company does this. If we kill V, at least give back gavrail and prism their stuff. Maybe do some more shake up in premium xd
A big part of Weiss is how you can make cheap decks with actual game plans. I can build a Weiss deck for like 15-20$ and it’ll have a clear plan and I can actually play the game. That’s like just getting triggers and pg in cfv.
I have my same opinion on the game as you do I do hope it grows but I have lost a lot of hope for vanguard it’s my favorite game and will also be next to Pokémon in l terms of what I will play with other people I do love the game and I hope Bushiroad does give the game love
Bushi slowly shooting each toe off become blowing their feet off. They need to take a deep breath, sit back and look at the bigger picture. Kinda sad honestly.
I want the game to be sold on Amazon/big retailers.
I doubt they will ever reach the “become number 1 tcg game” in the world
Especially with the insane path they have to take much less expand a foot hold in
They should focus on making that game accessible to everyone but when you put out games like Dear Days for an insane price and block out a good chunk of starting players, you have a problem.
They won't. The only thing that has even a small chance to challenge the big 3 is Lorcana because Disney. Best case sceniaro is that CFV could become something like digimon or one piece tcg in the west. but they won't because bandai runs circles around them growing games outside of japan.
They need to distribute more promos for some deck in Bahasa format.
Only 80 eva G1 order cards in bahasa format
I do doubt a lot about Bushiroad's claims.
1- To be on top 4 global, they need to at least expand their game to a global scale. Right now, we see no competitive ground out of countries listed in OTAN and a few share of EU countries.
Meanwhile Pokémon TCG and Yugioh are known games from Arzebaijan to Zimbabwe.
Which means that is a true challenge to overcome, since most playgroups that were willing to play the game in a country not supported by bushiroad during CFV's 1st decade, don't wanna play it anymore.
2- Bushiroad is like a slightly better WOTC, they keep breaking promises. But unlike WATSY, BSR at least is not moved by corporative greed.
The Japanese counting system (and also the Chinese counting system for that matter) follow the myriad superbase. Perhaps, you can think of 億 (Oku) as 0.1 billion, 100 million, or 10k*10k. This is also used for trigger values in Vanguard with 万 being 10k power.
The game will NOT be able yo grow in the west unless they finally understand the way distribute promos simply does not work outside Japan, period.
Promos has killed my local community, even if you have official store they may not even get promos on time or at all.
If they want to grow globally, if they want to be as big as Yugioh or Magic they need to adjust themselves to the market and player base outside Japan, not the other way around.
If bushiroad will team up with Pokémon and cygames community which will surpass yu gi oh for that kind of reason it's kinda reminds me of how DreamWorks surpassed Disney thank to Disneys cringe from strange world and turning red
I personally feel like the best way to grow a TCG is to heavily support the competitive scene. Our tournaments in USA are quite casual with little rewards, and there aren't many Regionals. I live in Minnesota and my friends and I have to travel nearly 7 hours to Chicago if we want to partake in BCS/Springfest. Better rewards and more tournaments would be amazing imo.
I'm curious if we are part of the same minnesota Vanguard group. If so, see you at the lost zone for the V shop tournament. 😊 But yeah, it would be great to see more awesome rewards or even regional tournaments in Minnesota.
Coming from Yugioh, the competitive push is a massive reason people get into the ecosystem and grind things out. People want to go to locals and regionals as often as possible because they want to get better, make connections, win prizes, and collaborate.
what is going to happen to cardfight vanguard dear days in the future
I'm wanna a online simulator like master duel... pls
The new tcg they mentioned could be that dominator game that the buddyfight wiki was on about back in the day
Edit: Might have the name wrong
Honestly, i feel that some of the growth should be attributed to you and the other VG content creators. You guys champion this game and really help to promote it!
I started off playing standard when the $5 decks came out and honestly it was a lot of fun. but once set 4 came out i quit seeing how the g4 i needed would be $40 a copy and I couldnt afford it. I have never gone back since standard never seemed to fix there price issue with even mid tier decks costing up to $300+. I have since then switched to v premium and honestly for all the shit people talk about it, i find it way more fun that standard. I never liked how in standard to block one attack i essentially had to give up my whole hand whereas in V prem i can actually guard stuff. I really hope they dont drop v prem and continue to support it. I can see where it has problems like the meta always being the same and stuff but honestly if its that much of an issue just ban em out or introduce new decks of equivalent power. the last v clan collection sets were really under powered leading to people just playing the same decks. Either kill off the old meta to boost up the low powered new stuff or introduce new stuff of equivalent power
i hope Weiss Schwarz get a english switch game.
Great video khris as always ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😮😊😊❤❤❤❤❤
With all the talk I've seen lately about the things Bushiroad needs to fix, I've seen some people talking about ARG. That was the biggest boom in Vanguard to my knowledge, but that wasn't Bushiroad, was it? I thought they were something else. What's stopping us from organizing something on our own? I mean I get it venues aren't cheap, but Remote is a thing. If we want to prove that the OT is bad, we could host events that ban them for Premium and Standard just to have numbers and stream them for content to prove the playability, or even without changing the Standard rules, hosting tournaments and showing us. Creators Clash was something that happened. Is there like legality or something stopping us from getting hype and showing them there's a bigger market than they may realize?
I have to thank Bushiroad for going wide instead of doubling down in Vanguard because I like having alternative games, and without Bushiroad, we wouldn't have Shadowverse. I'm with you though on them capitalizing the growth. I'm curious and a little excited to see what they're planning going forward. I want to get deeper and better at Pokemon or feel more confident in buying cards and keeping up with rotation, but that's one thing that Vanguard alleviates. I don't have to worry about that stuff that makes getting into Pokemon difficult or nerve-wracking. Vanguard is a great game and there's definitely grounds for progress. They have all the tools. I think it's a little unfair for people to say that they want Vanguard to be something else like Pokemon or Yugioh. If they did it the exact same way, it wouldn't be the same. I like the idea of Vanguard growing into its own taking its own path and being among the best. Vanguard is on my Mount Rushmore of TCGs, but it's also a niche market. Maybe if it gets the push that it deserves or that they are teasing, it'll get there or close to it, but wanting Vanguard to be like Pokemon isn't going to happen if we're still hung up on triggers and mechanics and every little thing causes a civil war among the community. That said, I worry if maybe Pokemon has some toxic positivity because how can anyone be critical of Pokemon? I'm sure some criticisms exist, but I'm not in it deep enough to know what those are. Casters certainly aren't gonna rag on their game in the middle of Worlds!
These discussions are deep and nuanced and honestly amazing, but with so many people wanting so many things, I worry if we're setting ourselves up for failure because everyone will notice the loudest among us and then that sets the pace for expectation. Thank you for being such a loud and prominent voice, but also being a calm and collected voice at that. You state your concerns and express yourself well. You know what you want the game to be even if I think aspiring to be Pokemon when Vanguard has 15 less years and way less "fuck you money" as I like to say, but even if it was similar but different, I'm totally down for that. Being able to even pretend that the Vanguard Worlds could hold a candle is still hype enough for me. BRO is always fun to watch. Maybe as their teases and plans come to fruition, we will be able to look back at this video and say "we did it. We got there." in whatever form that takes. Thank you for this video, Kris. As always, so proud to call you the Vanguard.
Was that new TCG the same TCG Bushiroad bought from the Force of Will devs?
Damn thank for these updates DF.
Honestly Vanguard feels a lot dried out since when Zero closed,Cuz it's THE one and ONLY f2p game that lets people from many countries Stand up! The Vanguard! with each other for free(?).
So I have a lot expectations for the new game,and by a lot I mean *A LOT* kekw.
I'd say bring more events like Chara Expo in the U.S. would be amazing for Vanguard.
Even Chara Expo feels like a garage hangout, at least here in CA, compared to other TCG's expos
@@TuberYouFan In my experience as well as my other friends who don't play TCGs, it was a fun experience and felt like its own fun little convention as opposed to a "garage" hangout.
@@Yusei5DSynchro the one in Anaheim felt very small and low budget
@@TuberYouFan True, it was small but we found lots to do with our time there.
Master Duel version of Vanguard please!!!
Heaaaaaavely off-topic. But I do wanna get into Cardfight Vanguard with the Urara Trial deck. Someone told me there will be a Deckset for that probably in october but I cannot find anything in the internet about that.
Is it even true?
There is no deckset for Urara. The decksets in October are for Favrneel, Gramgrace, and for Orfist. The Urara one is a trial deck that came out last year.
Yea I wanted to get that one but they said Urara and the other 2 also get one this october@@phillipr.9038