Dyna Lowrider S VERSUS 2020 Softail Lowrider S!!
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Love both. I would go with the Dyna Low Rider S though. The look, the sound, the feel...no question for me. Many thanks for the video and content!!
You got it man, we'll have some future content up at some point continuing the discussion!
100% the dyna. All day
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 solid work bro it was a pleasure 😎🏍
Can't wait to do it again man!
His Sounds Better but From a Mechanical and Power / Reliability ,, Comfort the 2020 is a Better bike ,, check Pro Twin Kevin Baxters Channel for all Differences / advantages and Disadvantages..
Twin Cam, dual external rear shocks, Dyna all the way. Can't go wrong with either though.
That’s what I’m saying, I think it’s a best of both worlds situation
FXDLS for life! Last of the greatest Dynas ever made.
Definitely never getting rid of mine! 😎
My 2016 fxdls is paid off! Clear winner.
Great video I had a 2020 FXLRS stage 2. Now I have a 2023 FXLRS what a difference. The older FXLRS 2016 sounds amazing, but the handling anf the power is no comparison in my IMO
I would have to agree with you
I love em both but would pick the 2020
Engine heat is less and i like the inverted forks. Hopefully you and marvel kid will do more vids!
That's the plan! Should have some more content out soon!
Nice comparison vid, do you prefer your your Legend modified fork or Marvels stock upside-down one?
I haven't ridden his bike yet, but I think we're planning a bike swap at some point so I can definitely discuss that in future content!
I just made this choice ; went with a 2016 Low Rider S. Very low miles and only modifications done to it were a new seat and passenger foot pegs added. Costs as much as a new one, but after hopping on the two I enjoyed my time on the Dyna more
What did you enjoy more about the dyna? I’m torn between the two & don’t have the opportunity to test ride them
Hello, I'm a fan of your videos. Can you please tell me where your friend bought the gold brake discs for the Dyna, I can't find them anywhere on the internet.
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I got a 2020 Low Rider S, but I really want a Dyna Low Rider S in the garage too. One day!
Nah stick with the 2020, there's no need to stray away from that
Luckily they have a quick add on for cruise control for the 2020s...like $300 or so, just plug and play from the dealer. But I use my cruise control regularly on my 2016 FXDLS
$300 isn't bad, but I also feel like for what you're spending on the bike new, they should just throw it in like they did for us.
Hey I didn’t see it on the parts list but what are those grips? I noticed you both have them. stock Harley grips are trash
Arlen Ness Brass Knurled
Have one more question. That bung king crash bar..I notice it doesn’t have the tab with the crown on it. Did you cut it off? Or which one do you have. I don’t want that crown emblem if I can avoid it
Rode the ‘17 FXDLS, haven’t ridden the ‘20 model. The ‘17 I rode was stock. These bikes get in your head.
Thanks for the review!
Right on! Thanks for checking it out John!
new 2020 frame design with mono shock & inverted front forks is vast improvement of the old dyna setup IMO. Stage III the M8 & it'll rip ur eyeballs back... 🔥🤟
I really need to put some miles on one!
love the DYNA, that fairing though
Right?
I love my 2020 FXLRS no regrets. but i do love the sound of the Dyna. both sound great though!
Couldn't agree more!
Love the M-8 engine in my FLHTCU, but that Twin Cam sounds amazing!
A Hell Yeah!!! for dual disc brakes! Anyone who rides a heave performance bike knows that stopping becomes very important with those bikes. I’ve boiled the brake fluid on an 02 Vulcan 1500 Classic because of the single disc brake and inadequate engine braking. It sucks to loose brakes in the mountains.
For sure man, those mountains is where you need it the most!
FXDLS Brooklyn I learned a few lessons that day. Stainless Steel brake lines going on the lil Iron 883 with new bars and heated grips. Luckily, it has decent engine braking like the larger Harleys. The Ultra Classic might get SS lines but it doesn’t brake that badly for a 900 pound behemoth.
I'm here because I'm at this choice right now. I'm leaving my 48 that served me to take confidence with bikes and now I'm finally going for a low rider s which was my first target. Here in Italy a Dyna 2016 or a Softail 2021 S in the used market cost the same... so it's not a money choice either. It's a really difficult choice.
Man honestly, if it were me I would just go with the 2021 new model - That's just me though 🗽⚡️
@@FXDLSBrooklyn I'm going for that one! Can you tell me the height of the windshield that is mounted on Marvel Kid 87 bike?
What did you get in the end? I’m wanting to part ways with my 48 and making the same choice in the UK
@@MrPedham Hi, I bought the Softail, I had it for one year and I've done 4500km with it. I sold it two days ago though. I sold it because it was too expensive for me and too difficult to manage in the city, very high fuel consuming, very hot, too big to pass through cars. If I could I'd switch back to my 48. BUT that's my experience and for my needs it was too much. I'm going to buy a budget bike, like Yamaha Tracer 7 or 9 or Suzuki V-Strom. I'm still thinking about it. Cheers
Such a hard decision and one that I just made. I could off had either, I test road the new Softail Low Rider S and it was amazing. My current bike is a 2006 Softail with the 88B engine, it was quite an upgrade. But I found a mint 2016 Dyna LRS in perfect stock condition for a deal I couldn't walk away from. So money was a factor saving at least 7k by buying the Dyna. Dealerships, wouldn't budge off MSRP and with all the dealership fees, and taxes it really pushed me towards the Dyna.
I haven't put many miles on it yet, but the Dyna has the nostalgic feel with the shake and I am a big fan of the TC engine. I do like the bars on the new Lowrider S and rear fender but I couldn't justify spending thousands more on it. I have a gut feeling that the Dyna LRS will become something of a collector bike for Harley, two year run and last of the Dynas. Harley killed off the Dyna line with a bang by making this bike a real working man's hotrod!!
@FXDLS - That front fairing is money!! New to the Dyna scene, what company makes it?
Dude that's pretty crazy that you were able to find one in that condition!
FXLDS , we met last year @pops on Kent/Franklin... my buddy had the black and I have the silver 2020s.... I’ve since added a S&S 475 cam... that alone brings back that old school “lope” and puts the bike over 100hp... it gives the M8 a whole different character... come back to the “Burg” and take a listen. Good content in this vid. Both are great bikes...one shows good taste and style since 2016... and one shows good style and taste in 2020 (with about $6K and not having to try and shop around for a used 2016) stay safe out there!
What's up man! Was great meeting you that day - What a great establishment Pops is, I hope they're doing ok during these crazy times. But yeah man, if you ever want to link up hit me up! Would be great to get a ride in and hear that Cam!
Best benefit to the 2020 is the non-flexible frame... everything else is meh. The Dyna has more aftermarket options, can be found cheaper, and IMO its more fun to ride. The Softails are fun at first, but that smooth refined electronic M8 feel will eventually leave you yearning for a TC.
Yeah It's hard for me to say because I just don't have heavy experience with the M8
@@FXDLSBrooklyn i hear ya. I was curious so I went to HD and test rode one to compare to my own fxdls and within that 15 minute ride i knew that even though the new 2020 is 'better' i would no doubt end up regretting trading in. The dyna just barks louder haha.
I’ve owned 3 Dyna including a 2017 FXDLS and now have the 2020...the new Softails piss all over the Dyna in every way.... Makes them look ancient.
Thanks for the video
2020 all day for me mines built and at speeds over 220km the old girl won’t hang Handling is key for me
Have both platforms enjoy them both can’t beat innovation
Thanks again for your video
Thanks for checking it out! 🗽⚡️
Dyna sounds so much better
Damn those FAB28 pipes sound good
Both amazing bikes
Thanks Paul!
Paul Negrean too bad the company (FAB28) is garbage though. Don’t trust the customer service at FAB28 - Crooks! Specifically - Tyler.
Took my money for almost 6-months with little to no information regarding build progress/shipment. Had to file a fraudulent charge claim through my credit card company to get my money back. Long process. Stay away from FAB28. 100%.
Anyone questioning my experience with FAB28, shoot me a private message and I can/will provide detailed information about the scam they put me through. I’ll include screen shoots and emails linked directly to the company as proof.
Too many “Fan-Boys” out there promoting businesses based off of their experiences. I can appreciate the good, but all sides should be heard. Especially when you’re investing a decent amount of your money in to a product.
Money not being the issue the cruise control is what made me keep my 17 fxdls over trading in for a 2020 low rider s. If you pound miles nothing is better. Inverted forks are nice on the 20, but with a good front setup on the dyna it’s more than enough.
Yeah I'm with you man! Definitely putting in the miles where the CC is a game changer!
Hope the next vid swapping bikes and talking about the ride - suspension - handling - response etc etc etc.
That wouldn't be fair 😂 legends suspension front/rear vs stock harley suspension..
I think that's the plan at some point! I don't usually do bike swaps, but we're trying to give the people what they want!
couple things you said in the opening of the comparison, the lay down plate holder isn't stock and the rise if the bars is 4". Just a couple small points. As an M8 owner, If I am being totally honest I like the sound of the Dyna over the Softail, but you guys really made both bikes pretty great!
Thanks Shane! Didn't realize that those did not come stock.
Bro where did you pick up the black/gold rotors and how much did they cost? I think I might have to get a set. They look 🔥🔥
Lyndall rotors, I think they're like... $590. Crazy expensive
shop.lyndallbrakes.com/products/crowncut9-spokefrontrotor-527-3315
Great video. On Dyna what bracket do you have set up for goprp?
Standard GoPro sticky mount
I honestly would run out and buy one of these new fangled bikes but immediately put a set of villain to hero bags like I have now , I love the new bike but honestly the back end looks weird so I’d just cover it with police bags! Immediately!
Both Are BADASS!
But I prefer The Low Rider S that fairing Is beautiful!
Love the bikes! Awesome hipster killer sticker lol, what boots you wearing ?
Yeah that sticker is from the legendary bike builder Shovelhead Austin - those boots are made by Thorogood, great boots!
havent ridden a twin cam. but i am totaly happy with my M8 streetbob
Right on - definitely a cool bike, have you changed anything on it?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn i watched to many of you're videos so yes. Got a road warrior fairing 11" black with hand guards and a 14" biltwell xl Tbars setup. Saddelman step up tuck and roll and cobrausa el Diablo 2 in to 1 full exhaust for some deep rumbling
Wow mate, both of those bikes are stunning! Tough choice. Great video man. ✌️🇺🇸🇬🇧
I know right? I need to put some miles on the 2020
Why’s the Dyna so much louder? Also what year is it??
Just the nature of a twin cam vs a m8 - the Dyna is 16’
@@FXDLSBrooklyn may end up getting a Dyna just based off the sound!! I am however afraid of the ‘Dyna death wobble’ I hear about
@@dylancoric1194 I mean it’s real - You can throw money at the problem but a lot of them do it - If you have the funds just get a 2023 Low Rider S
@@FXDLSBrooklyn agreed. Or a 2022 & save some money, I believe the 22 & 23 are the exact same?
Hi, Great bikes either choice. What is the crash bar called on both bikes? I would like one for my sportster.
Bung King Crash Bar
@@FXDLSBrooklyn cheers mate
Sorry M8, I'm keeping my FXDLS - last of the Dyna's and only a two year run. Yeah there's vibrations but ask any woman if she likes vibes.
Love my dyna low rider, you keep the soft tail
Agreed 🗽⚡️
Nice video bro!! If I had to pick it would be the 16
How come?
FXDLS Brooklyn I like how you set the bike up for go fast touring. From the saddle bags to your new fairing.
BK low your bike sounds wayyyyy better. Love the video!
Yeah it's hard for me to objectively say which sounds better when they're just so different!
Sticking to my Evo FXDL......
What year?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn Currently a 1993......prior to that a 96 Evo motor in a modified Pan frame with late Shovel tranny.....unfortunately lost in a fire.
They are both beautiful bikes but I'm more than happy with my 2017 Dyna Low Rider S.
Agreed there!
Great review love the stock bars on 2020 LowRider S definitely would pick 2020 LowRider S over Dyna
Yeah they really did a much better job with those bars!
The Dyna is best hands down, theres not a softtail made that could even get close
Have you ridden any of the new models yet?
Dyna straight up!!
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The old carbureted bikes like mine have a throttle lock that works as a cruise control
How does that work though? Like how would you set it to sit at, say, 75 MPH?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn you just bring the bike up to the speed you desire then use the throttle lock to hold the throttle in one spot. It doesn't actually know what speed you are going.
To bad they took away even more with 2021. lost hydraulic clutch and they only give one key fob. Just did a 300mile trip and cruise control is going to be a must next spring. And risers for sure!
It used to have a hydraulic clutch?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn Yes a lot of HD models lost hydraulic clutch for 2021 model year.
Chopped fender for me 12 " straight t bars ...arlen ness og...screaming eagle pro tuner ...the 2016/17 frame was specifically designed for the bike (sport) orientated...check the sales pitch if it still exists ...and a 2-1 vance and hines or simlar...98 octain and cold english air down that intake=power lol😂
Nice man, that sounds like a proper set up!
Cheers mate ..she rocks
Both great bikes. I'd definitely go with the 2020 LRS 114.
Good choice!
Dyna S back three years ago but I own the Softail S now!
How are you liking the Softail?
I own the 2017 Dyna Low Rider (Non-S) and it’s pretty much the same as the S with a slightly smaller engine..and loads of chrome..which can be upgraded to be a 110..and can also be blacked out..but I do like the salt and pepper feel of my bike..it’s different than what everyone has or wants..chrome will come back baby.. you’ll see!! Lol..for me..I’d Keep what I currently have which is different in look with touches or Red and Black than either “S” models. The “S” is hard to not keep it stock because it’s the look of the bike..it’s a special edition..you wouldn’t want to change it too much and can devalue the bike..also my bike has the longer rear fender which is stock on my bike..Because I have something so similar to the original “S” I’d go for the 2020-2021 “S” and keep my Dyna. I tested the New 2020 model “S” as well as the other softtails and really enjoyed the ride..it was smooth, fast and easy to handle however felt it sounded like a Go-cart. I’m sure that’s because it was stock. It was def the best of the soft tail platform for sure. After getting off the softtail S bike from the test ride I came
to the conclusion that my 2017 Lowrider (non-s) was in my opinion a better feel than the new 2020, I just love that Dyna Rumble..But if money were not an issue..I’d get the M8. It’s just great value..better all around..Great video BKLow..!
Well thought out response Marvin - At the end of the day, it's just two completely different rides - I myself also prefer my Dyna 🗽⚡️
Yeah I had the opportunity to get the 2017 S and got the non s instead which haunted me for a while but come to accept it however if the opportunity came to get the 2016-17 S as a trade in for a decent price..I’d trade. In the meantime I’ll enjoy what I got ❤️
Lol for me money was a thing, but I had to freakin have that new lowrider S, barracuda silver
I know man, it really does pop in silver!
You can put cruise on the 2020 for the cost of the switch and an update to the bcm.
Yeah man! Do you think it's worth it?
FXDLS Brooklyn once you have cruise you won’t want a bike without it.
Do the new Dynas wheelie like the old ones?
I couldn't tell you as that is not my area of expertise, but I've seen plenty of people wheelie the new bikes. As to which does it better, who knows?
They do look just like my Biltwell high trackers
Dyna Lowrider S 2017 , best ever 💪💪👌
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I own a 20FXLRS and if I had to do it over I would buy the 17. Grass is always greener on the other side!😃
Really? For what reasons?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn Build quality, feel and look of the dyna frame. Also the bike was just a tad bigger but it made all the difference. The new Softails look and feel as if Harley stopped building them like they used to. Everyone I talk to seems to have some kind of build quality issue. Allot of them tend to pull to the left, the belts make noise, the swing arm bearings are fucked, the front brakes are shit, swing arms collect water and rust and the list goes on. need I say more? lol
@@seahunter75 Do you still have the 2020 low rider s? Just curious what issues if any that you've had or what to watch for. Thanks
@@mikeessary4925 yea I still got it. Harley still hasn't figured out the buzzing noise coming from the belt when the bike worms up, and the swing arm collects water when i ride in the rain. If i don't manually drain it, it starts splattering rusty water all over the bike.
@@mikeessary4925 ohh the bike also pulls to the left lol
How can you do a comparison and not compare performance?
To lead into future 😎 - Stay tuned!
Both great models, but would choose 20 FXLRS due to the stiffer frame and the inverted front suspension...hopefully MoCo adds an FXRT fairing to it in 21.
That would be insane if they did that!
You need to steal his fork though lol
What size windshield is on the road warrior
13
Solid detailed video!
Thanks J - how's things out by you?
The big twin sounds twice as better and i have the 2022 street bob customed out
I would pick... the Dyna’s mama... the Softail LRS’ grandma... the FXR!
Me too 💯
Put a full rear fender on the Dyna and that'd be the bike for me!
I hear you on that one!
Shit I’d like to see this same video with my bone stock 97 FXDL thrown in the mix. Can’t decide if I should lay out the cash to make mine more like the fxdls or just trade it up and out lol
I was say just trade it up at the end of the day, depends on how far you're looking to go
twin cams have more lift in cams,m8 have ridiculous mild cam from the factory.i put a power cam now it idles beautiful.put cams with lots of duration and you will get the harley sound at idle.
Nice man! Which cam did you use?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn i put the factory power cam,why.because nobody does research like the factory.we always have to remember,yes some cams give more power,but for the street and evryday riding the factory knows what their doing.cause at the end of the day we are not at the dragstrip.
Smart content. Love both
Thanks Ameer, I'm with you on that one!
Full fender=downgrade
Don't @ me.
Really? You dig the chopped over the full?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn yezzir. The light sticking out just looks like a male part to me :(
It's cool to scrape with wheelies. But it just looks cleaner to me
I think the short fender looks much better. May be a west coast thing.
I prefer the sound of the dyna by far, would definitely prefer my fxdls had dual front disc's though
Both models have dual disk, definitely something I always want as well!
What are those crash bars called?
Bung King
@@FXDLSBrooklyn thank you
You can have cruise control installed at the dealership.
Any idea how much that would run cost wise?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn The cruise control kit costs $250.
They do have cruise control option...I have it
How much extra was it?
I love the Softail Low Rider S, but definitely i still choose Dyna Low Rider S for ride
I still need to test ride the softail version!
The Milwaukee 8 and Twin Cam are both big twins. The sportsters are the harleys that wouldn't be considered big twins
Facts
Actually From a Mechanical and Performance point the Softail is a Better bike..Not to mention Power wise ,, Smoothness , Looks and Reliability.. Your Dyna Sounds Better However. Can't beat the 4 valves and Cooling ,,single cam Along other Advantages on the FXLRS 2020
I know, I really need to put some miles on one - regardless, I hope HD never stops making that bike
I like the Softail LRS because it has mid-controls.
Same!
@@FXDLSBrooklyn I have a 2020 Softail Standard. I've put on a brown Saddlemen Renegade solo seat, mustache engine guard, Memphis Shades cafe fairing, and Firebrand loose cannon slip-ons.
That twinkie sounds way better
It's my preference, however, I do have love for those M8s!
M8 is really great with less heat tho. Either ways love em both but I own 2020 low rider s
Yeah they've grown on me a lot!
@@FXDLSBrooklyn I really felt the difference when I moved down to florida couple years ago and when I switched to low rider. Wayyyy less heat hand mo powuh! Hahaha
If money weren't a thing, I'd buy the 2013 Fat Boy. No rubber mounted engine will give you that classic Harley ride
There's nothing like the classic Terminator 2 bike
Big Twin with Fab 28 sounds way better. But still wonder how the milwaukee would sound with a fab 28.
My buddy has a 2019 roadglide with a cam and fab28 and it sounds amazing! Best sounding m8 that has come through my HD shop.
Yeah I have to agree, any M8 I've seen with it sounds amazing.
frincon75 see my reply to Paul Negren above as it pertains to FAB28. BLUF - Stay away from that company unless you like piss-poor customer service and the potential of being scammed.
I have 20 LRs n added CC. Lol... love my bike but kick stand suxs though... miss my dyna ks.
What's wrong with the kickstand?
I think the twin cam sounds better than the M8 but I also think the Evo sounds better than both of them
Agreed, love my evo
Stage 2 really wakes that 114 up.
That's what I've heard - and I've ridden a stock 114 before and it definitely rips out of the box!
If money was no object I’d own both, but since I can only owe one I got the 2020.
Right on - what aspects of the 2020 won you over?
FXDLS Brooklyn the M8 114 is a beast just waiting to be unrestrained for one and the inverted front forks along with the styling of the bike. I still love dynas and one day I want to get a FXDLS so I can have both. The Lowrider S in either the softail or the dyna floormat are the best bikes Harley besides the FXR.
They both are big twins, the 2016 has a Twin Cam.
Yeah my fact checker is still on vacation, sorry we missed that one!
Dyna...All day long!
Definitely love mine for sure! Have you ridden any of the 2020s?
i also need curse control
It's worth the investment if you put in the miles
Not trying to be a smart ass but the 2020 doesn’t come with a lay down plate homie
Thanks G
I would pick the Dana.
How come?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn I think it's more beautiful. The best looking bike (on stock) HD has ever made, in my eyes. I wished I had bought one back in 2017.
No question that the 2020 Low Rider S is a better machine in every way
I think they for sure are moving in a good direction on that one - thanks for checking it out Chris!
The dyna is way better then the soft tail 🤷🏻♂️
It's definitely what I'm sticking with, however, inverted forks are attractive.
@@FXDLSBrooklyn it’s one hell of a bad ass ride
Ride safe out there
Keep up the great content 🤙🏼
Your bike murders that bike
Dyna bro... I could be biased though :)
We're definitely biased, that's why I try to really consider it objectively.
Def 2016 Low Rider S if money isn’t an Issue
Yeah man, definitely holding on to mine! How've you been Marvin?
Yeah I had an opportunity to pickup the low rider s at the time I got my lowrider but my girl convinced me that I should be different and get the regular low rider and customize it to my liking..love my bike but if I had to trade it in for Dyna or soft-tail low rider s, you can’t beat that dyna grunt lol
FXDLS Brooklyn doing good btw, in this lock down still but I get my bike out here and there..not as much as I’d like but I’m content for now lol
I would get the Dyna
How come?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn The classic rear shock setup, the tank/gauges looks better, the bobbed rear fender, the thicker spokes on the mags, most importantly the way it sounds. I know that the Softail has a more rigid frame, inverted forks and the M8 but it's still not enough to draw me away from the character of the Dyna
Note: I do have a 17 FXDB and I just love the way the unbalanced twin shakes. It makes me smile just looking at it bounce around when I turn it on
Not a good argument...dyno is no where near the 2020 lowrider S in any single way beyond fan base. Chassis, design, technology, suspension, stability, motor..fuck that's everything!..supposed to be that way..dyna was years ago..stupid arguement. Both great bikes
Agreed, both great bikes!
My dads 2020 Low Rider S has Cruise Control.
Any idea how much it ran him to install it?
FXDLS Brooklyn came like that
Dyna without a doubt.
Why do you choose the Dyna?
@@FXDLSBrooklyn the Dyna is kinda the Goldy locks Harley for me. The wheelbase on my street Bob is right in the middle of the softails and touring bikes (perfect) and the take and trail in my opinion are ideal for me on the fxdb. In general it's more stable at higher speeds than the Softail, and more nimble than a touring chassis (because of the geometry). Visually im much more into the lines on a Dyna than I am the Softail platform. Im not a Softail hater by any means, it's just different strokes for different folks.
You got a twin cam. They're both big twins 😉
The m8 get more 0
Yeah I know, my fact checker was on vacation