I have an existing gravel driveway that hasn't been touched for years. I don't have a loader on my JD1023. I was going to get a rear blade to also help with snow clearing since I have a front mounted snowblower but after watching this I might get a box blade instead. Thanks.
Thank you for numbering your videos. Makes it incredibly easy to follow an older series searching for the # instead of scrolling forever through a sea of videos. BTW well done on the sea of videos!
I agree, a box blade first. Not only does it do a great job on drive ways, it has been one of my go to tools for reshaping land in a couple areas of my small acreage. Completely changed how water shed around my buildings.
Out here in Iraq watching Outdoors with the Morgan's. Thanks for bringin me back home buddy! Great vid. Now you just need a top n tilt for those implements.
Thanks much for the video series. Part 4 was my favorite. Appreciate the insight and tips, which this part had more of. My first tractor purchased yesterday, delivery on Tuesday. Should be fun...
Hi Mike...thanks for the video. I use my box scraper regularly. Last year I measured my top link and recorded the measurements fully screwed in, and then fully screwed out. I bought a cylinder that met those measurements, and a couple of the same fittings the same as the top link. Welded the fittings on the ends of the cylinder, bought a couple of hoses. If I remember right, it cost me under $100. Having a hydraulic top link with the box scraper made my life a lot easier.
Luv your videos man! I want to suggest that you add a remote top link to your tractors (especially when using the box blade). It makes life so much easier when digging and then smoothing out without having to leave your seat. It also really helps when hooking up to most all pieces of equipment. Really, get this and enjoy life!
Watching the videos does make me wish my box scrape had the pin style teeth, mine have the notches. It can be a pain, but not worth replacing just for that. Great videos, had never heard of a land plane before. Keep up the good work!
Nice job on the 4 part series Mike. I really enjoy your videos keep them coming bud. Oh and plz send spring north I'm sick of this snow lol got a few inches again yesterday lol.
Great series of videos. I haul dirt and gravel and operate tractors and equipment, and will say Mike knows what he is talking about. I've done quite a few driveways(building new ones as well as refurbishing old ones) and he is spot on.
You angle and use the box blade to crown the driveway exactly the same way I use my land plane. I find that the angled cutting edges on the land plane pull the lost gravel back onto the driveway. Good job of demonstrating the strengths and weaknesses of each of these implements.
Great job, Mike. Spot on with the assessments and recommended order of purchase unless as you said, the buyer has a long driveway. I agree with Mike DLC, too, but I use my land plane opposite at our storage facility, but carve a swale in the aisles between buildings and it serves to keep the aisles smooth and water away from the buildings.
I think im finally caught up on all the videos but im not opposed to reruns to refresh myself on what im doing at the time. Thanks for sharing👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Great video series. Really appreciate you taking the time to make them. We just bought our first tractor (B2650) and the guy at our dealer actually talked me out of a box blade. He highly recommended a land plane (but this one does have rippers on the front if needed) So we went with his recommendation. I'm now hoping this will work for our 900' driveway. He did walk us out to his lot and showed us where he used a land plane to repair a rutted low area a few days before and it looked ok.
I don't have a rear blade or a land plane but the box blade does everything I need for maintaining my lane and a 1.5 mile private dirt road that we live on. Great vids and I enjoyed you description of set up!!!
Very instructional. Thanks. Over the next year I have to install a new driveway, only about 150 ft long. Need to learn how to prepare the ground (mostly lawn) and what to lay down for gravel. Probably contact you later for some advise.
Great! Now I have to buy a box blade! I have a gravel drive at our cottage and have used a 7' back blade to maintain it but the box blade seem really nice too.
Thanks for the demos, Mike. Another point supporting the box blade is that their heft provides ballast when doing loader work. The rear blade also gets a plus for their use in snow removal.
Ahhhhh... after watching this series; I'll just stick with my wheel barrow, shovel. garden rake, and my aching back. lol Great job in demonstrating the attachments!
Good video!.....I just happened to notice that the curved cutting edges on your box blade, have the bolt in the center.....if I'm not mistaken, when your blade wears down you can flip the blade and you have a fresh cutting edge to work with... just something to help ya out .....Take care!
Subscribed. Love this guy, what a cozy life your living...im jealous out here in Southern California. Gonna get me a kubota and some land someday, not in cali though. Anyway, thanks for great advice and videos.
i have a very long dirt driveway , i'm looking forward to getting an ABI implement company box blade i don't think i need the rear blade but possibly the scraper . Thanks for the vids they're top notch
Thanks for the explanation and in what order to buy attachments. I just about had it figured out! Got a box blade and now ordering a blade. What do they say about “Great minds?” LOL!!
Love your videos and your presentation style. Keep up the good work. By the way, I saw in this video that one of your keeper pins on the left side of the tractor is not fully engaged and looks like it could fall out soon.
Mike, folks around here remove top soil and then replace it with curt to form a base for driveways. I like your approach with geo textile and large gravel, then crusher run. Is curt used in your area at all? Thanks.
Mike, are you going to widen the driveway to the new house? I would fill both shoulders, to widen to two lanes for that causeway piece closest to the road. With that new trailer, you can bring excess dirt from all over and gradually widen it while getting rid of fill where you don't want it. Good luck.
God I am glad I found your channel. Can you do a go over of the tractors? Looking to get one and I had never heard of RK until yesterday. Thank you for all you do, its great.
Great information, Mr. Morgan! I use one of the attachments you reviewed (blade) as well as a rake to maintain my 1/2 mile gravel drive. No side work. I have a question regarding the King Kutter box blade. You mentioned certain features to consider when buying a box blade, such as additional support for lift-arm pins and curved cutting blades front and back. I noticed the the King Kutter has these features on it’s higher-end box cutters, but they offer a similar, less expensive box cutter, without the additional support for the lift-arm pins and triangle welds in the top corners found on the higher-end models. Other than that, they appear to be about the same in every other way, but the price difference between the two is several hundred dollars. So my question is - in your opinion, how important is it to have the additional lift pin and corner supports for non-commercial work? Thanks!
Love the videos Mike. I bought 40 acres last year. 33 acres in woods. Will eventually need a tractor. Could you recommend what horsepower would be required for planting several 1/3 to 1/2 acre food plots. I'm guessing I'll be looking at using a disc, harrow drag, tiller and maybe something like a Plotmaster. (Funds permitting) Bought my first chainsaw with this property and love the Stihl 2 in 1 tool you recommended. Thanks Dave
i8BBQ4Lunch the issue with your requested video is the adjustment of the scarifiers setup is different for different jobs. A well maintained drive may not require any use or only use where there may be a few holes to fill. While leveling a yard may require very aggressive use of full depth and even a hard tilt forward to have them dig deeper and the blade to smooth it out. To summarize, it is like his answer to which attachment is best for a driveway. Different situations require different setups. In that regards, I disagree slightly with his purchase order. All things being equal, I would purchase a back blade first due to its greater flexibility. However, if you have a certain situation, that may not apply.
I'm doing ok brother been a stressful few days. hope you are doing well also. I'm actually working on a part three to my box blade / land and driveway tutorial.
Great set of videos Mike! I have a bunch of trails in the woods on my property in northern MI, many have gotten overgrown due to lack of use. I have a bush hog that I planned on using to cut down the growth, and a tiller that I thought I could use to chew up the weeds and small stuff. Would you recommend a box blade or land plane to finish them? Or one of them in place of the tiller?
Great job pal, another awesome video. we got your 10" of snow overnight here in southwestern ontario, your welcome to have it back LOL! however lets hope it goes away all together to see more videos!
Once again great info! Your channel is becoming a valuable resource! Question: is the box blade the way to go if you wanted to cut in and grade up a new path where it is currently grass? Maybe a path through the woods that wouldn't have gravel? Or is it mainly only for already graveled area?
If you are cutting a trail through the woods, would it be better to just keep mowing down the path of grass and underbrush with a rotary cutter or box blade the top layer off and have a dirt path?
Do you have ballast added to your tires? I’m about to do this. I have really sandy soil and lose traction easily. I think the process would make a great addition to your video library.
Outdoors With The Morgans My Mahindra loader/backhoe didn’t come with it. It’s lacking a lot. Worst investment I ever made. Knew I should have got the Kubota.
love your videos..thank you!! question, in my pursuit to maintain a 1/2 mile driveway, i came across the tr3 by abi attachments. seems to be all of these attachments rolled into one. too good to be true? have you reviewed it?
i would be interested in your take on this...they claim it is the one tool that does it all vs box blade and land plane. www.abiattachments.com/driveway-road-grader/tr3-tractor-rake-driveway-property-grader/
James Bartlett yessir it is, and I don't think you could find a better, more honest, unbiased opinion to represent this product. For those of us in the market it's very helpful to have someone else test and review a product before making a major purchase. Mike is not paid to review it and he wouldn't associate his name with a product that he doesn't believe in!
R K seems to be featured rather a lot recently. In fact, Tim, the majority of the videos of late have been R K centric. And whatever happened to the Kubota?
James Bartlett I have no ideal what the situation with his Kubotas is, but another channel I watch mentioned in a video that he had been approached by Rural King and he mentioned that any equipment that RK carried had to go. For him that was a deal breaker.
RK Tractor Guy it is possible that either I misunderstood what was said, but your statement to me confirms that his refusal to stop featuring his other brand tractor was a deal breaker. Again I do not know what your agreement is with Mike nor do I want to know. I was only attempting to give the other viewer some potential insight to his question of what happened to Mike’s Kubotas.
Mike I have a suggestion for you, you were complaining about all the loose gravel on your private drive way that’s the homeowners have all then, why couldn’t you scrape up A bunch of the gravel and use that to put around your culver when you put it in ???🚜 🚜
RK tractorguy. I see your last response to me is no longer up. Can not say that I blame you for taking it down as you in my opinion painted yourself in a bad light based on comments you made about folks. You confirmed in my mind a decision reach some time ago that I would not be using RK tractors or equipment. My original reason could have been reconsidered as the biggest one is distance to a RK store. Your statements regarding the other youTuber for me made the decision that with attitude you are not a company that I wish to do business with. Sorry you do not feel that your implements and company would benefit from exposure while attached to a different brand tractor on a youTube channel. James, I hope you got some useful input to answer your question about his kubotas Since this is comments on Mike’s channel this will be my last post in regards to this issue.
Love the video! I like all the attachment!
I have an existing gravel driveway that hasn't been touched for years. I don't have a loader on my JD1023. I was going to get a rear blade to also help with snow clearing since I have a front mounted snowblower but after watching this I might get a box blade instead. Thanks.
Thank you for numbering your videos. Makes it incredibly easy to follow an older series searching for the # instead of scrolling forever through a sea of videos. BTW well done on the sea of videos!
I agree, a box blade first. Not only does it do a great job on drive ways, it has been one of my go to tools for reshaping land in a couple areas of my small acreage. Completely changed how water shed around my buildings.
Mike, this series is very timely for me. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Thank you Mike. I just bought a box blade for my Kubota tractor. This video an others have really helped as a new tractor owner.
Out here in Iraq watching Outdoors with the Morgan's. Thanks for bringin me back home buddy! Great vid. Now you just need a top n tilt for those implements.
Great job Mike. Loved the video and you explained it very well. Thanks for putting it together
Thanks Dean
Thanks much for the video series. Part 4 was my favorite. Appreciate the insight and tips, which this part had more of. My first tractor purchased yesterday, delivery on Tuesday. Should be fun...
Sweet write up. Very helpful for me and my drive. Thank you much👍🙏
Hi Mike...thanks for the video. I use my box scraper regularly. Last year I measured my top link and recorded the measurements fully screwed in, and then fully screwed out. I bought a cylinder that met those measurements, and a couple of the same fittings the same as the top link. Welded the fittings on the ends of the cylinder, bought a couple of hoses. If I remember right, it cost me under $100. Having a hydraulic top link with the box scraper made my life a lot easier.
Kryton619, Nice idea
Great series for a guy like me that’s in the market. Thanks Mike!
Once again you you did a great job on the video. Keep them coming Mike.
Luv your videos man! I want to suggest that you add a remote top link to your tractors (especially when using the box blade). It makes life so much easier when digging and then smoothing out without having to leave your seat. It also really helps when hooking up to most all pieces of equipment. Really, get this and enjoy life!
Awesome job, Mike! I like how you covered the different driveway types and the maintenance side of a driveway/road.
Watching the videos does make me wish my box scrape had the pin style teeth, mine have the notches. It can be a pain, but not worth replacing just for that. Great videos, had never heard of a land plane before. Keep up the good work!
I think you're 100% correct in your assessment of these 3 implements Mike, Well done!
Another great video Mike. Youve been such a great help to this beginner!
Nice job on the 4 part series Mike. I really enjoy your videos keep them coming bud. Oh and plz send spring north I'm sick of this snow lol got a few inches again yesterday lol.
Great series of videos. I haul dirt and gravel and operate tractors and equipment, and will say Mike knows what he is talking about. I've done quite a few driveways(building new ones as well as refurbishing old ones) and he is spot on.
You angle and use the box blade to crown the driveway exactly the same way I use my land plane. I find that the angled cutting edges on the land plane pull the lost gravel back onto the driveway. Good job of demonstrating the strengths and weaknesses of each of these implements.
Great info Mike! Puts it all into perspective and defines when one is better than another.
Good morning Mike. Great video series. Really helpful that you explained how to set it up as well. Really appreciate it. Cheers!
Great job, Mike. Spot on with the assessments and recommended order of purchase unless as you said, the buyer has a long driveway.
I agree with Mike DLC, too, but I use my land plane opposite at our storage facility, but carve a swale in the aisles between buildings and it serves to keep the aisles smooth and water away from the buildings.
I think im finally caught up on all the videos but im not opposed to reruns to refresh myself on what im doing at the time. Thanks for sharing👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you, Mike! I’ve been hoping you would cover gravel driveway maintenance on your channel. Love your videos. Very helpful.
Great video series. Really appreciate you taking the time to make them. We just bought our first tractor (B2650) and the guy at our dealer actually talked me out of a box blade. He highly recommended a land plane (but this one does have rippers on the front if needed) So we went with his recommendation. I'm now hoping this will work for our 900' driveway. He did walk us out to his lot and showed us where he used a land plane to repair a rutted low area a few days before and it looked ok.
My driveway is paved but I still watch Mikes vids no matter what.
I don't have a rear blade or a land plane but the box blade does everything I need for maintaining my lane and a 1.5 mile private dirt road that we live on. Great vids and I enjoyed you description of set up!!!
Very instructional. Thanks. Over the next year I have to install a new driveway, only about 150 ft long. Need to learn how to prepare the ground (mostly lawn) and what to lay down for gravel. Probably contact you later for some advise.
Great! Now I have to buy a box blade! I have a gravel drive at our cottage and have used a 7' back blade to maintain it but the box blade seem really nice too.
If you own a tractor, then having a box blade is a must
Always enjoying your videos!
Thanks for the demos, Mike. Another point supporting the box blade is that their heft provides ballast when doing loader work. The rear blade also gets a plus for their use in snow removal.
Good job Mike. I like starting my Sundays with Outdoors with the Morgan's! Can't wait for the remodel.
Great job Mike 👍 thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Ahhhhh... after watching this series; I'll just stick with my wheel barrow, shovel. garden rake, and my aching back. lol
Great job in demonstrating the attachments!
Another great video Mike keep them coming
Another good video. Good work Mike. Thanks again. This Old Dawgs Dreaming
Nice summary thx for the video
I like the way you Kates that out; sounds like the box blade is the most universal
Good video!.....I just happened to notice that the curved cutting edges on your box blade, have the bolt in the center.....if I'm not mistaken, when your blade wears down you can flip the blade and you have a fresh cutting edge to work with... just something to help ya out .....Take care!
Another good one Mike. thanks your leaving my dream!
Well done Mike!
Real good info. Thnx for the non fluff videos.
Subscribed. Love this guy, what a cozy life your living...im jealous out here in Southern California. Gonna get me a kubota and some land someday, not in cali though. Anyway, thanks for great advice and videos.
Thanks Steve!
i have a very long dirt driveway , i'm looking forward to getting an ABI implement company box blade i don't think i need the rear blade but possibly the scraper . Thanks for the vids they're top notch
Thanks for the explanation and in what order to buy attachments. I just about had it figured out! Got a box blade and now ordering a blade. What do they say about “Great minds?” LOL!!
Great video. Thank you
Okay ..that dancing plow-blade is funny! LOL. Thanks Mike!! :-D
Love your videos and your presentation style. Keep up the good work. By the way, I saw in this video that one of your keeper pins on the left side of the tractor is not fully engaged and looks like it could fall out soon.
Someone else noticed that as well, I saw it when I finished up yesterday
For smoothing I use a drag harrow, blades down first half and blades up on the second half. Dont have a land plane, dont think I need it.
Hi Mike, keep the great videos coming. Hope you have noticed that clip that is almost out on the bottom left lift link.
I did when I finished up, good eye there
Nice one Mike, who would have thought driveway maintenance is so interesting.
Great job Mike keep it up !! Have a great upcoming week and take care ! Kioti Curt 😁👍🚜
Mike man....liveing the same here canada quebec......looking to show all my equipment
I agree with your testing and findings 100%.
You need a new top link that does not loosen on its own. Great video series though, thank you for sharing!
Good stuff enjoyed that!!
Mike, folks around here remove top soil and then replace it with curt to form a base for driveways. I like your approach with geo textile and large gravel, then crusher run. Is curt used in your area at all? Thanks.
Mike, are you going to widen the driveway to the new house? I would fill both shoulders, to widen to two lanes for that causeway piece closest to the road. With that new trailer, you can bring excess dirt from all over and gradually widen it while getting rid of fill where you don't want it. Good luck.
Greg Brown, have a bunch of fill coming in this week
God I am glad I found your channel. Can you do a go over of the tractors? Looking to get one and I had never heard of RK until yesterday. Thank you for all you do, its great.
Great Video! I don't think i would ever buy the rear bade. What is the most side to side angle you have ever put on your box blade?
Great information, Mr. Morgan! I use one of the attachments you reviewed (blade) as well as a rake to maintain my 1/2 mile gravel drive. No side work. I have a question regarding the King Kutter box blade. You mentioned certain features to consider when buying a box blade, such as additional support for lift-arm pins and curved cutting blades front and back. I noticed the the King Kutter has these features on it’s higher-end box cutters, but they offer a similar, less expensive box cutter, without the additional support for the lift-arm pins and triangle welds in the top corners found on the higher-end models. Other than that, they appear to be about the same in every other way, but the price difference between the two is several hundred dollars.
So my question is - in your opinion, how important is it to have the additional lift pin and corner supports for non-commercial work?
Thanks!
s1seifert, non commercial work and just maintaining your place should be just fine
Great info. Thank you.
Love the videos Mike. I bought 40 acres last year. 33 acres in woods. Will eventually need a tractor. Could you recommend what horsepower would be required for planting several 1/3 to 1/2 acre food plots. I'm guessing I'll be looking at using a disc, harrow drag, tiller and maybe something like a Plotmaster. (Funds permitting)
Bought my first chainsaw with this property and love the Stihl 2 in 1 tool you recommended.
Thanks
Dave
David, Watch Mike's #80 video on "How to choose your perfect tractor"
Would you please do a video on adjusting the scarifier shanks and how you use those in your driveway rejuvenation. Thanks.
i8BBQ4Lunch the issue with your requested video is the adjustment of the scarifiers setup is different for different jobs. A well maintained drive may not require any use or only use where there may be a few holes to fill. While leveling a yard may require very aggressive use of full depth and even a hard tilt forward to have them dig deeper and the blade to smooth it out.
To summarize, it is like his answer to which attachment is best for a driveway. Different situations require different setups.
In that regards, I disagree slightly with his purchase order. All things being equal, I would purchase a back blade first due to its greater flexibility. However, if you have a certain situation, that may not apply.
I love my boxblade!
What is crusher run again lol love your videos.
Hi mike , was wondering if you had a drone with a camera so you could give us all an areal overview of your land ? ATB. Rob.
Had one for a couple years until it crashed hard, I am planning on getting another one soon
good video nice job
Thanks Dave, How have you been?
I'm doing ok brother been a stressful few days. hope you are doing well also. I'm actually working on a part three to my box blade / land and driveway tutorial.
daveknowshow, Looking forward to it! Take care Dave
Very good info 👌👍
Ho Mike i was thinking of your boxblade on your Kubota . saw this on your erley videos .
leo l, yes sir. That one is a 6'
Enjoy the video!
have you ever look a ABI TR3 rake
Great set of videos Mike! I have a bunch of trails in the woods on my property in northern MI, many have gotten overgrown due to lack of use. I have a bush hog that I planned on using to cut down the growth, and a tiller that I thought I could use to chew up the weeds and small stuff. Would you recommend a box blade or land plane to finish them? Or one of them in place of the tiller?
Great job pal, another awesome video. we got your 10" of snow overnight here in southwestern ontario, your welcome to have it back LOL! however lets hope it goes away all together to see more videos!
What About a box blade with a back blade that can also be allowed to pivot and let material out slowly?
Good explanations! 👍
Big like, Mike.
Once again great info! Your channel is becoming a valuable resource! Question: is the box blade the way to go if you wanted to cut in and grade up a new path where it is currently grass? Maybe a path through the woods that wouldn't have gravel? Or is it mainly only for already graveled area?
Box blade works great for moving dirt and cutting in new trails
If you are cutting a trail through the woods, would it be better to just keep mowing down the path of grass and underbrush with a rotary cutter or box blade the top layer off and have a dirt path?
FOUR videos on scraping your driveway? good grief! she says. Hahaha good stuff.
Thumbs up
Have you thought about getting a 3 point quick attach. I think it would be a good for all of the attachments you have
Brett Sibert, Yes
Do you have ballast added to your tires? I’m about to do this. I have really sandy soil and lose traction easily. I think the process would make a great addition to your video library.
Jason, Yes the tires are loaded with rim guard, the co.e standard that way if equipped with a loader
Outdoors With The Morgans
My Mahindra loader/backhoe didn’t come with it. It’s lacking a lot. Worst investment I ever made. Knew I should have got the Kubota.
love your videos..thank you!! question, in my pursuit to maintain a 1/2 mile driveway, i came across the tr3 by abi attachments. seems to be all of these attachments rolled into one. too good to be true? have you reviewed it?
No, not familiar with it
i would be interested in your take on this...they claim it is the one tool that does it all vs box blade and land plane. www.abiattachments.com/driveway-road-grader/tr3-tractor-rake-driveway-property-grader/
Is that a rural king 55 tractor
Is it 2b limestone or to-be limestone? Same with- Crusher run or is it Crusher-one??
6:22 mark.. inside far leveling arm.. notice the pin about to come out.. see that Mike?
Richard Elbe, yes good eye
Can you get by with just a box blade and back blade?
Sure can
Outdoors With The Morgans thanks love your videos I just picked up my new l2501 and love it
how low are the rippers compared to the box blade
Right about an inch low at that setting.
Tonka Toy fantasies in real life.
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James Bartlett yessir it is, and I don't think you could find a better, more honest, unbiased opinion to represent this product. For those of us in the market it's very helpful to have someone else test and review a product before making a major purchase. Mike is not paid to review it and he wouldn't associate his name with a product that he doesn't believe in!
R K seems to be featured rather a lot recently. In fact, Tim, the majority of the videos of late have been R K centric. And whatever happened to the Kubota?
James Bartlett I have no ideal what the situation with his Kubotas is, but another channel I watch mentioned in a video that he had been approached by Rural King and he mentioned that any equipment that RK carried had to go. For him that was a deal breaker.
James Bartlett, Rural King gave him two tractors to use for two years, why would you use your own?
RK Tractor Guy it is possible that either I misunderstood what was said, but your statement to me confirms that his refusal to stop featuring his other brand tractor was a deal breaker.
Again I do not know what your agreement is with Mike nor do I want to know. I was only attempting to give the other viewer some potential insight to his question of what happened to Mike’s Kubotas.
Mike I have a suggestion for you, you were complaining about all the loose gravel on your private drive way that’s the homeowners have all then, why couldn’t you scrape up A bunch of the gravel and use that to put around your culver when you put it in ???🚜 🚜
RK tractorguy. I see your last response to me is no longer up. Can not say that I blame you for taking it down as you in my opinion painted yourself in a bad light based on comments you made about folks.
You confirmed in my mind a decision reach some time ago that I would not be using RK tractors or equipment. My original reason could have been reconsidered as the biggest one is distance to a RK store. Your statements regarding the other youTuber for me made the decision that with attitude you are not a company that I wish to do business with. Sorry you do not feel that your implements and company would benefit from exposure while attached to a different brand tractor on a youTube channel.
James, I hope you got some useful input to answer your question about his kubotas
Since this is comments on Mike’s channel this will be my last post in regards to this issue.
Wish I'd seen that - sadly I was out at lunch.