I’ve always heard those referred to as “trigless locks” (function+trig). Whereas “trigless trigs” (function+trig then trig+yes) take it one step further and trigger LFOs and FX envelopes without triggering the sample.
dang leave it to me to totally misname the video. just goes to show what i know! i’ll pin this comment so people hopefully don’t get too confused. i could change the title/thumbnail but ofc i also say trigless trig like twenty times so it’s a whole thing 🤦🏻♂️
Daniel Wolfe to be fair it took me till the very end if the video to notice. If Elektron didn’t want it to be confusing they shouldn’t have made it just slightly less green
Congrats on your marriage, your ring has a nice vibe to it that is elegant colorful. My favorite trick with trigless trigs is that you can hold [func] in chromatic mode and pitch shift samples without retriggering the sample or messing up the timing with the pitch shift/timestreath turned on. This can be a fun way of changing the melody or chord progression for a sample. I look forward to videos on your other gear, but candidly the OT what we have in common. I wouldn't mind a series of exploring gear with the OT rather than just slowly covering the manual piecemeal.
I’m not a user yet. Just thinking about getting into octatrack 🤧 but something I love is watching is people just creating on there gear and talking. I can only imagine how difficult this would be in practice... but you certainly seem to have the personality to do that. Please keep making stuff though!
Also - in terms of direction of the channel. I would absolutely back a Patreon for sure. Would love to see some Digitone content, how you're using your Norns, etc etc. You've got a great channel and if a Patreon would help keep the content coming, OT or not, you've got a really unique and great teaching style that really works. Keep it coming.
In regards to the reverb on the clap rather than using the trigless trig you could also just copy the trig to the next step and adjust microtiming all the way back so that it actually triggers at the same time. So for example, place clap on 9 and 10. Micro time 10 all the way to the left to trigger on 9, p-lock 9 to trigger one of every two and 10 to trigger on two of every two. Then p-lock the reverb on each to desired. Think this should do the same thing unless I’m missing something (which is quite possible). I don’t know if my way is easier but I use this method often so it’s easier for me to wrap my head around. I’ve never used trigless trigs for some reason.
Great tips for Using Trigless Locks, which I am using on my Model:Cycles. Want to say thanks, for the effort to make it interesting, with the humor and clever video editing. I enjoyed that very much, and it helps combat the lockdown blues. The ring is super nice. Best wishes for your continued success, and happiness with music, and your marriage. Stay positive! Stay safe! Have fun :-)
Very very good tutorial. The humour seems to make the information easier to digest. Your videos inspire me to go make music, which this year is a sodding miracle! Thank you 👍
wow thank you so much for the kind words!! hearing things like that is so surreal to me. i’m so happy to hear these videos have in some small part helped you get back on the inspiration train. would love to hear what you end up creating!
Love the way you explain everything bro , so happy I found your channel. Feels really easy to learn the octa with you , thanks for all of your vids 🙃🙌🏽
i can’t believe i’m only learning about these now. i mean, i don’t read the manual, so i guess i CAN believe it, but yeah, they’re sick! also great for 808 pitch glides if you’re into that sort of thing. it’s cool that you could still use my bad envelope method for a that stepped feel if you want it though; glad i’m not rendered totally irrelevant 😭
@@AtTheTableGames lol not irrelevant at all. The OT is so deep theres many different ways to go at it! The stepped feel has a time and a place like anything else. I've still yet to mess with the looping pick up machines and so much. I make hiphop on the OT so theres a lot features I don't even use haha
Man. I diiiiig your octatrack tutorials. Super easy to follow. I never really think to use trigless trigs. I know you said you wanted to move away from octatrack videos but it would be really cool to see one or two breaking down performance and how you structure your songs with it. I find I get stuck repeating loops and making changes to parameters but have a hard time making songs truly move forward. Maybe youll get into that in your parts video. thanks man! PS you kinda sound like Griffin Mcelroy from the MBMBAM podcast. You could be the 4th brother.
Really awesome that I had to wait until the end of the video to learn how to program in a trifles lock. Not that many people are able to make me laugh out loud though at an instructional UA-cam video though 😉 Would love to learn more about proces. Plus go get an analog four and make some more sweet videos about it!
I'm wondering, why you don't use the slide trigs for those parameter sweeps. Wouldn't you only need 2 trigless trigs then instead of all of them? But I also avoided them successfully until now.
Socroctatese, I am trying to decide between digitrack and octatrack. New to this kind of hardware. Have an op1. The things that draw me to octtrack are ability to to manipulate pitch and timing independently. Just seems like this makes it WAY easier to fit samples into almost any beat. But otherwise the octratrack seems a bit too vast, not as easy to just get and start making music with. Except, your videos seem so helpful, and make me think I could get up the learning curve, with your tutelage. Thoughts?
YES! i was completely unaware of slide trigs when i made this video and now they’ve changed my life a bit lmao. i’m uploading a song i did in preparation for my parts video and there are slide trigs all over the dang thing. been thinking about doing detailed track breakdown videos as a patreon incentive-maybe livestream them so people can ask questions if they want. but yes, to answer your question, slide trigs do pretty much exactly that.
Nice LFO effect: A. design random LFO (press ‘YES’ under DESIGN) B. assign it to AMP: VOL C. crank speed (SPD: 24, MULT: 32x) It not really a randomizing element, more like Tim Hecker played through an abandoned arctic radio.
@@renefagermo hmm. In my notes, after that tip, I have written (sorry it’s cryptic and I believe it’s meant for a sample that has sustained pads or one that already has reverb): ‘Waterfello’ * design LFO on AMP VOL (32/26) * tri wave on RTRG (2x 8/12) * saw on LOFI AMF (32/24) * LOFI (38/16/20/27/29) * DELAY (84/82/127 0/127/57) * *SRC PTCH 2.2 RTIM 1/2 * *LFO trig FREE
Also I've been using my OT for like 4 months now and the thing is like a Rubik's cube. Literally was trying to go into patters just for the scene switch you did @16:20 also pedals and sound design stuff would be amazing.
thanks for sharing. would love to see more about your music making process. also how octatrack fits in with your ableton workflow if you do use it for production in a DAW at all. :) thanks submissive octadad, you are the best!
Congrats on tying the knot! Hopefully someone gave you windex as a wedding gift so you can wipe that fu@#ing OT screen off. lol- really great vids man. keep em coming. Your content is gold
I returned my Octa mk2 after 3 weeks because I found it so frustrating compared to my other Elektrons (Digitakt, A4 and Rytm mk2.) Maybe I should have spent more time with it.
hi dad.i´d like to watch a tutorial about you creating random patterns of quick jokes and composing a song for your friend manuel.say hi to mom.love your channel
You want some negativity, huh? Well, uh...I...uh hope you enjoy your day and a happy marriage! How about that? But in seriousness, this does NOT apply to digitakt and digitone I'm guessing? I mean, I could walk three feet to my left and check, but I thought I'd ask you instead.
wow, no need to be so rude, man, jeez. might have to block you if you keep rolling with that vitriol. (in all seriousness, you’re incredibly sweet, thank you so much). i’m pleased to tell you it absolutely DOES apply to the DT/DN. of course, what you’re able to do with the trigless locks is going to vary between devices, but the trigless locks themselves (and their functionality) exist across all three boxes! i’m fairly sure they exist on the A4 and Rytm as well, though don’t quote me on that one.
This could have been 8-10 minutes, you should have just made it from start to finish. Speed up your workflow, use the scene and pattern hot keys to show stages of development. I should be putting this video on 0.5 or 0.25 speed with how quickly you should be moving. Don’t be afraid to edit the video itself. Also the samples or patterns can be better, the possibilities are really endless with the tools in this device so the creative bar is higher but what SOUNDS good does not change. When I say better I don’t mean more complex, if anything the problem you have is that you’re making the sound TOO complex and thus the point you’re trying to make gets lost and the sounds get muddy. DO NOT MAKE UNNECESSARY CHANGES especially if you’re trying to make a tutorial. You’re better off showing something that explains the technique more clearly that sounds terrible and then using it in a potential real life scenario that actually sounds good. It’s funny you mentioned dubstep in 2008 because that type of thing becomes much easier than a mouse and keyboard with a tool like this if you know how to use it. I would tell you to clean your sodding desk but that short segment was literally the most compelling part of the entire 28 minutes.
basically, yes. most parameter locks-as far as i’ve seen them explained-refer to triggers that are actually triggering the sample, so trigless trigs are parameter locks specifically where there are no actual factual triggers triggering the sample itself. i explain it at 3:37 and make fun of myself for taking so long 😭
I’ve always heard those referred to as “trigless locks” (function+trig). Whereas “trigless trigs” (function+trig then trig+yes) take it one step further and trigger LFOs and FX envelopes without triggering the sample.
dang leave it to me to totally misname the video. just goes to show what i know! i’ll pin this comment so people hopefully don’t get too confused. i could change the title/thumbnail but ofc i also say trigless trig like twenty times so it’s a whole thing 🤦🏻♂️
Daniel Wolfe to be fair it took me till the very end if the video to notice. If Elektron didn’t want it to be confusing they shouldn’t have made it just slightly less green
elektron, doing the intuitive thing? that just wouldn't be the company we know and love, would it?
Your content is amazing. It's such a niche thing though: OT tutorials with weird existential humor! But for me it ticks all the right boxes.
Congrats on your marriage, your ring has a nice vibe to it that is elegant colorful.
My favorite trick with trigless trigs is that you can hold [func] in chromatic mode and pitch shift samples without retriggering the sample or messing up the timing with the pitch shift/timestreath turned on. This can be a fun way of changing the melody or chord progression for a sample.
I look forward to videos on your other gear, but candidly the OT what we have in common. I wouldn't mind a series of exploring gear with the OT rather than just slowly covering the manual piecemeal.
Good shout!! If this works for Rate as well you can basically approximate Norns compass
I didn't discover trigless trigs until over a year into owning Elektron machines. Total game-changer.
I’m not a user yet. Just thinking about getting into octatrack 🤧 but something I love is watching is people just creating on there gear and talking. I can only imagine how difficult this would be in practice... but you certainly seem to have the personality to do that. Please keep making stuff though!
I've only made it through the intro and this is already fantastic. I can't wait for what's ahead.
Also - in terms of direction of the channel. I would absolutely back a Patreon for sure. Would love to see some Digitone content, how you're using your Norns, etc etc. You've got a great channel and if a Patreon would help keep the content coming, OT or not, you've got a really unique and great teaching style that really works. Keep it coming.
In regards to the reverb on the clap rather than using the trigless trig you could also just copy the trig to the next step and adjust microtiming all the way back so that it actually triggers at the same time. So for example, place clap on 9 and 10. Micro time 10 all the way to the left to trigger on 9, p-lock 9 to trigger one of every two and 10 to trigger on two of every two. Then p-lock the reverb on each to desired. Think this should do the same thing unless I’m missing something (which is quite possible). I don’t know if my way is easier but I use this method often so it’s easier for me to wrap my head around. I’ve never used trigless trigs for some reason.
Great tips for Using Trigless Locks, which I am using on my Model:Cycles.
Want to say thanks, for the effort to make it interesting, with the humor and clever video editing.
I enjoyed that very much, and it helps combat the lockdown blues.
The ring is super nice.
Best wishes for your continued success, and happiness with music, and your marriage.
Stay positive! Stay safe! Have fun :-)
Very very good tutorial. The humour seems to make the information easier to digest.
Your videos inspire me to go make music, which this year is a sodding miracle! Thank you 👍
wow thank you so much for the kind words!! hearing things like that is so surreal to me. i’m so happy to hear these videos have in some small part helped you get back on the inspiration train. would love to hear what you end up creating!
Well, this was awesome. Thanks for explaining this concept so well.
Love the way you explain everything bro , so happy I found your channel. Feels really easy to learn the octa with you , thanks for all of your vids 🙃🙌🏽
Using trigless trigs or locks with ‘slide trigs’ is awesome. Slide trigs are one of my favorite features on OT!
Helps make it feel less steped and more smooth modulation
i can’t believe i’m only learning about these now. i mean, i don’t read the manual, so i guess i CAN believe it, but yeah, they’re sick! also great for 808 pitch glides if you’re into that sort of thing.
it’s cool that you could still use my bad envelope method for a that stepped feel if you want it though; glad i’m not rendered totally irrelevant 😭
@@AtTheTableGames lol not irrelevant at all. The OT is so deep theres many different ways to go at it! The stepped feel has a time and a place like anything else. I've still yet to mess with the looping pick up machines and so much. I make hiphop on the OT so theres a lot features I don't even use haha
Man. I diiiiig your octatrack tutorials. Super easy to follow. I never really think to use trigless trigs. I know you said you wanted to move away from octatrack videos but it would be really cool to see one or two breaking down performance and how you structure your songs with it. I find I get stuck repeating loops and making changes to parameters but have a hard time making songs truly move forward. Maybe youll get into that in your parts video. thanks man! PS you kinda sound like Griffin Mcelroy from the MBMBAM podcast. You could be the 4th brother.
Only a ninja can kill a ninja
Only a trigless trig can kill a trigless trig
Really awesome that I had to wait until the end of the video to learn how to program in a trifles lock.
Not that many people are able to make me laugh out loud though at an instructional UA-cam video though 😉
Would love to learn more about proces. Plus go get an analog four and make some more sweet videos about it!
I'm wondering, why you don't use the slide trigs for those parameter sweeps. Wouldn't you only need 2 trigless trigs then instead of all of them? But I also avoided them successfully until now.
Can’t wait to explore this thanks - I like your style and humour - please do a digitone video !
This was very useful.
Socroctatese, I am trying to decide between digitrack and octatrack. New to this kind of hardware. Have an op1. The things that draw me to octtrack are ability to to manipulate pitch and timing independently. Just seems like this makes it WAY easier to fit samples into almost any beat. But otherwise the octratrack seems a bit too vast, not as easy to just get and start making music with. Except, your videos seem so helpful, and make me think I could get up the learning curve, with your tutelage. Thoughts?
Will putting slides on trigless trigs prevent the ‘stepping’ between trigless trigs.
YES! i was completely unaware of slide trigs when i made this video and now they’ve changed my life a bit lmao. i’m uploading a song i did in preparation for my parts video and there are slide trigs all over the dang thing. been thinking about doing detailed track breakdown videos as a patreon incentive-maybe livestream them so people can ask questions if they want.
but yes, to answer your question, slide trigs do pretty much exactly that.
cool! if you 'live record' and then turn some knobs to automate, does it create these trigless locks?
JUST in case you have somehow not figured that out still - yes.
Nice LFO effect:
A. design random LFO (press ‘YES’ under DESIGN)
B. assign it to AMP: VOL
C. crank speed (SPD: 24, MULT: 32x)
It not really a randomizing element, more like Tim Hecker played through an abandoned arctic radio.
whoa you had me sold at tim hecker. definitely gonna give this a shot!
Tried this, so cool! Got more tips like this?
@@renefagermo hmm. In my notes, after that tip, I have written (sorry it’s cryptic and I believe it’s meant for a sample that has sustained pads or one that already has reverb):
‘Waterfello’
* design LFO on AMP VOL (32/26)
* tri wave on RTRG (2x 8/12)
* saw on LOFI AMF (32/24)
* LOFI (38/16/20/27/29)
* DELAY (84/82/127 0/127/57)
* *SRC PTCH 2.2 RTIM 1/2
* *LFO trig FREE
Been waiting all day to get to your vid. They're always a good time and super informative. I will say the audio is a tad quiet though.
Hey. can the Octatrack mk1 do trigless triggers/locks?
Yes, it’s the same firmware
Also I've been using my OT for like 4 months now and the thing is like a Rubik's cube. Literally was trying to go into patters just for the scene switch you did @16:20 also pedals and sound design stuff would be amazing.
thanks for sharing. would love to see more about your music making process. also how octatrack fits in with your ableton workflow if you do use it for production in a DAW at all. :) thanks submissive octadad, you are the best!
You’ve got a great additude
do you hide water bottles under your peak?
Congrats on tying the knot! Hopefully someone gave you windex as a wedding gift so you can wipe that fu@#ing OT screen off.
lol- really great vids man. keep em coming. Your content is gold
Great Video!
Great vids!!!
I returned my Octa mk2 after 3 weeks because I found it so frustrating compared to my other Elektrons (Digitakt, A4 and Rytm mk2.) Maybe I should have spent more time with it.
hi dad.i´d like to watch a tutorial about you creating random patterns of quick jokes and composing a song for your friend manuel.say hi to mom.love your channel
melvin, son, i have good news for you about my next video; it’s essentially exactly that
I love you Dad ! Can I have some pocket money to buy one of these ?
you’re gonna have to earn it. the lawn is a disaster. your room is a mess. the dishes need to be done. get to work!
Ahah !! Great content ! Will work my ass off !
i was expecting some photos of the "mk3" model too in the intro hahahaha
i did not know this was a thing and am now incredibly mad that i didn’t do exactly that.
for real though, if elektron drops a mk3, my life is over
You want some negativity, huh? Well, uh...I...uh hope you enjoy your day and a happy marriage! How about that?
But in seriousness, this does NOT apply to digitakt and digitone I'm guessing? I mean, I could walk three feet to my left and check, but I thought I'd ask you instead.
wow, no need to be so rude, man, jeez. might have to block you if you keep rolling with that vitriol. (in all seriousness, you’re incredibly sweet, thank you so much).
i’m pleased to tell you it absolutely DOES apply to the DT/DN. of course, what you’re able to do with the trigless locks is going to vary between devices, but the trigless locks themselves (and their functionality) exist across all three boxes! i’m fairly sure they exist on the A4 and Rytm as well, though don’t quote me on that one.
Good that you make videos about the ot. Though its just too much overworked unfunny jokes. Get to the point... all love
This could have been 8-10 minutes, you should have just made it from start to finish. Speed up your workflow, use the scene and pattern hot keys to show stages of development. I should be putting this video on 0.5 or 0.25 speed with how quickly you should be moving. Don’t be afraid to edit the video itself. Also the samples or patterns can be better, the possibilities are really endless with the tools in this device so the creative bar is higher but what SOUNDS good does not change. When I say better I don’t mean more complex, if anything the problem you have is that you’re making the sound TOO complex and thus the point you’re trying to make gets lost and the sounds get muddy. DO NOT MAKE UNNECESSARY CHANGES especially if you’re trying to make a tutorial. You’re better off showing something that explains the technique more clearly that sounds terrible and then using it in a potential real life scenario that actually sounds good. It’s funny you mentioned dubstep in 2008 because that type of thing becomes much easier than a mouse and keyboard with a tool like this if you know how to use it. I would tell you to clean your sodding desk but that short segment was literally the most compelling part of the entire 28 minutes.
jesus christ, you okay dude?
@@huukihuuki did you watch the video? He literally asked for it, you good?
Is trigless trig = p lock?
basically, yes. most parameter locks-as far as i’ve seen them explained-refer to triggers that are actually triggering the sample, so trigless trigs are parameter locks specifically where there are no actual factual triggers triggering the sample itself. i explain it at 3:37 and make fun of myself for taking so long 😭
@@AtTheTableGames dope! My octa comes in on Friday and I've been binge watching your videos in anticipation!! Thanks for sharing