TAB Episode 8: Introduction to the HK G11
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
- Vic kicks off his series looking at the US Army's ACR trials rifles with a look at not one but two versions of Heckler & Koch's advanced caseless ammunition assault rifle - the G11.
We'll be delving into the G11's insanely intricate and wonderfully complex action in later videos!
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Hey guys, we're very excited to share this intro/primer video on the G11, we will be revisiting the G11 in several more videos in the future after we have completed our look at the Advanced Combat Rifle program rifles. In the meantime check out my in-depth article on the G11 over on the TAB website - armourersbench.com/2017/11/19/an-introduction-to-the-heckler-koch-g11/ Thanks for watching! - Matt
2:00 if dont want to go any further , at least give me a try strippin it bare
I strip it and explain how it works in this video - ua-cam.com/video/D7ooe6OaKzM/v-deo.html
How you guys got here before _Ian from ForgottenWeapons(dot)com_ is beyond me.
*KRAUT SPACE MAGIC*
Well we guess Ian just hadn't got around to covering the G11 yet!
Actually I got Ian access to the Beretta factory through my contacts there and we have a lighthearted rivalry I guess... hopefully we will grow and garner support from you our viewers (and PATREON!) and get to travel as much as Ian!
Vic
It's literally clockwork in there, good lord.
It actually is! - Matt
Kraut Space Magic!
6000 rounds life before you have to do some nasty work.
Guys, thank you so much for your comments and views... At 23k views to date this G11 introduction video has been our most popular to date! We will revisit the G11 soon and disassemble it too!
Vic
Hi, Vic. In case if you go to dissasemble the gun, may i ask you to communicate with guys from Noble Empire, which made the World of Guns: Gun Disassembly and say to them, that you have an access to G11? I think they would like any help with making a G11 3D model. Imho, the G11 has a very unique mechanism of work and much of gun-fans would be interested to know, how it works and looks in the fully-disassemble state. Especially in 3D! Thanks you for that video, because before that i even cant find a video with just a field-stripped G11.
Thanks for the kind words and yes, we may just do that and talk with those guys... Spread the knowledge before it's forgotten is our mantra!
Vic
Sounds great! And also makes me really happy! Thank a lot, Vic!
Oh dear lord. Kraut space magic at its finest.
The very pinnacle of Kraut space magic! - Matt
@@TheArmourersBench "dont ask me to take it any further than this!" Dear lord! It's worse than my buddie's grandpa's luger.
Jason Dossett We went further! Matt field stripped one last month, video coming soon!
@@TheArmourersBench please tell me the first time you put it back together you had leftover parts. Also I figured out how they had to have planned to deal with the clockwork in the field. They only way I could figure they could deal with it us to make new clockwork sections part of the regular resupply. You just get spares with your ammo and after so many thousand rounds you pull out the old, shove in the new, and send the old one back to the rear to be serviced.
@@PandorasFolly I would suspect something along those lines also... My opinion is actually much more critical, I doubt it would have had a long MTBF in the field 'as is'! It is way too fragile and not soldier serviceable without a lot of training. One of the examples we handled had a broken cocking key, now granted it is approaching 30 years old and if in service it would have been reworked several times but I didn't like the ergonomics at all! Vic
That inside... Its literally like clock. Cleaning it on the field would be probably like trying to solder CPU on laptop using burning wooden stick...
Just spray some CLP on it. It seems like a very clean system. No ports open for a lot of dust to get in.
It is very well sealed up.
Wow! we just got over 3,000 views of the G11 video! Thanks for all your continued support. More interesting smallarms to come!
Holy! The German Unicorn in the flesh! I Do hope you have a firing video up soon.
I hope even harder you get around to its 2nd line stable mate the G41 sooner rather than later.
rmod42 Fingers crossed we will get the opportunity and yes, I'd love to cover the G41! - Matt
The field-strip doesn't actually look that bad. Foregrip, fire control module with scope, buttstock/action housing, and the complete action and barrel. Run a patch through the barrel, oil the action, and toss it back together and it should be fine. If you actually have to take the action itself apart for any reason, on the other hand, I would recommend a jeweler's loupe, and a very large, very spotless workbench.
I used to play a pen and paper RPG game in the 1980's called Twilight 2000 and my character used this to fight his way back home to North America from Europe (somehow our unit commandeered a ship capable of the journey across the Atlantic...lol). Fascinating to actually see the real thing. Thanks!
Loved that game. The 007 RPG had the G11 prototype in the Q Manual.
That was always the weapon I couldn't wait to get.
Same here. It's was interesting that at the time they made the game they assumed that the weapon would become standard for the German Army. Of course... they also assumed an East Germany. Love the 1980s.
I know the caseless rounds for the G11 were/are tiny but it surprises me every time I see it on or near someone's hand just how tiny it is.
Very rare looks at G11s, but please - have someone with the technical know-how give you a crash course in sound recording. The video would really benefit from better recording quality and avoiding the breathing into the microphone. As for the filming of the first actual G11, it could have been slower. The camera couldn't focus when you just moved so quickly above the mechanism.
And don't take it as mean spirited hate. Thank you sincerely for taking the time and effort to make the video, along with your other ones. But the earlier you figure out good settings and ways to record sound and video, the easier it will be.
Thanks for the feedback, rest assured we don't take constructive criticism as mean spirited hate. We're working on improving and have a long list of things to be aware of going forward. Thanks for watching! - Matt
The audio gets much quieter in part of the video too, and roughly cuts off at one point. Really looking forward to the continuation, though.
Marvelous! That was substantially faster than I expected when you first mentioned this. Now to read the article...
that early 90s a e s t h e t i c s
Field strip? Good luck! I remember a few years back buddy said “it’s more simple than you think” my response “I doubt it! They’re German!”he says “it’s just a rotating camber” me “I’ve seen pictures that look like car parts” I’ll be sharing this thank you!
Thanks for sharing Jason! Well we're going to try, having read the armourer's handbook it’s not a particularly in-depth field strip, it doesn’t go much further than Vic does here! Mainly because you shouldn’t go tinkering inside a G11 unless you’re an HK tech! But there are a few other steps we can do to show a little more of the insanely complicated chamber assembly. - Matt
I’m really loving this channel! Great work guys!
Thanks Philip, really appreciate the kind words! Thanks for watching.
This channel deserves more views
Thank you! We're still young. Please feel free to share our videos with people who you think might be interested. Spreading the word helps us grow! - Matt
Back in the day, every German soldier wanted this, but they would soon have found out their sergeants loved it even more.
"Alright men, clean your weapons! I want them spotless inside out!"
"Noooooo....."
😂
Wow I've been searching for this for years after reading about it in a book. Kraut Space Magic indeed!
Damn if I didn't think that was R. Lee Ermey when the video started. Rest in Peace, Gunny.
Looks like gun jesus has some competition! XD
Unfortunately Ian's hair beats mine hands down ;-)
Excellent video! Im also verry excited that you will cover the Steyr ACR!
Nathaniel of TheFirearmBlog (the by far best writer of that site) covered your video in an article, i think you will now get quite a few new subscribers, including me.
Thank you! Nate is great and we really appreciate him signal boosting the video. I hope so, we're really excited to get the rest of Vic's ACR series out. - Matt
What a super simple intuitive design, I’d love to field strip this in stressful conditions (fire mechanism stripped). 👌
Have you checked out our disassembly video yet?
Remove the hyperburst feature to significantly simplify the action, make the cartriges rounded so you can double stack it, and you have something a bit more fieldable. Maybe give it cased telescoped rounds instead of caseless. If anything it could serve as a nifty light machine gun.
Less friction in the single stack magazine, was the theory.
without the Hyperburst you are taking away the main reason for the thing. Kinda missing the point.
The Burst was meant to increase the hit chance for soldiers, especially less trained ones. And from what I've read about trials it did that rather well.
There are 150 rounds already in the gun: how many more do you want...??...:)
wunderbar! Can’t begin to imagine handing one to conscript in the 1980s and pointing them in the direction of the fulda gap though!
Never saw any brits on the gap myself, didn't see any bundeswher there either. Only the BGS, whose numbers couldn't stop anything larger than a squad.
Hi,
nope the idea of this gun was: Give the recruit (germany had a very large potential army, but in peacetime a small one... so in case of war millions of soldiers need a weapon they could use and hit something)a gun he could hit something with.
The G11 was this weapon, because its caseless ammo mean it could do this "magical" 3-projectile-shot. Doing this improved (in the testing phase of 1988) the hit chance of a moving target by 300% (4 time the chance to hit something). For trained soldiers - for example most US forces as regulars - this isn´t an inprovement, but for that time, with 2-4 million untrained new soldiers, this was very sound. Even today i think most soldiers that are forced into combat situations would hit better with such weapon as the standard rifles.
The cleaning possibilities were limited, because the soldier should only do the basics (the cleaning stuff is in the grip,. you open the circle and put in it. thats it. If you need more cleaning, you take the whole mechanism to the back.
Disadvantage: If your gun got dirty in these areas, you could get more failure. But - on the other side the tests showed also that the weapon was superior to common G3-rifles, had less failfunctions by mechanical tear-and-wear, because the caseless ammo. German army decided to introduce this weapon - in march 1990. But - with the end of the cold war, reduced army sizes, huge costs for the unification process, they canceled it. They shouldn´t do that, because with this weapon, think about an improved version around 2000 - the sights should be either 1x or 4x - with 20/80%, with most bugs seen in the first 10 years this could have been the standard weapon for common soldiers. For a G3 with 100 patrons this weapon could carry 600 shots and was even lighter. It had also 150 shots at the man, because the production version would carry 2 50-shot-magazines in the front, next to the loaded magazine. So 150 projectiles with the gun.
Conclusion:
light, easy to hit something (at the expected combat ranges), less ammo waste (because the soldiers should basically only fire in that 3-shot-system, because of hit propability) easy to maintanance (for the troops, in case of larger failure -> send the rifle to the depot) and - with a laserpointer in the front (again - production version), to further improve the hit capability.
I think the price for it could have been the problem
Would love a video explaining how the mechanism works
You're in luck Steve, coming soon! - Matt
Interesting that the later caseless ammunition was also telescoped ammo while the earlier caseless rounds were not telescoped.
This gun is so complicated it had basically a Swiss watch inside
for cleaning, you might as well just dump the barrel and action in a strong soap bath for a couple of hours and toss it in a low heat toaster oven to dry
Wait. I got it. I know how you field strip that Deep Space Magic clockwork in the field. So you take it apart. Remove that action and place it aside. Then you unpack the new clockwork nonsense and put it the rifle. Then you put the old clockwork nonsense back in the case the new one came in and ship back to the rear echlon armorers.
Sure. Even weapons from the 1950s include components which could break or fail which you couldn't realistically fix in field. If the barrel bends or cracks, the trigger breaks, the spring goes, etc. You sent it back and put another in. And of course today you have so much equipment which has electronics you don't even think about field repairs -- scopes, lights, night vision equipment, radios, etc. The G11s mechanism is really no different -- other than cost.
The big worry on most people seeing the mechanism is that it looks pretty easy to get fouled. When field stripping the rest of the weapon to clean the barrel, trigger, etc. it is likely something (water, sand, dust, etc.) is going to get into all those small gears, levers, and other moving parts. Hence, needing to send it back or replace it (or try to find tiny debris back in camp and clean it). I think today, with cheaper mass production... they would make the mechanism out of polymer (no water/rust, lighter, easier to produce) and just encase the unit in a solid casing.
However, according the ACW trials... the weapon did pretty good in mud, immersion, sand, and other tests. Its main problem was the ammunition. Still early, it was too soft (tending to bend or get grit embedded in it) which led to jams, less powerful than specifications (only discovered when the muzzle velocities were lower than expected), and inconsistent in charge (leading to unexplained accuracy issues at 400m tests). In the end... none of the ACW prototypes really delivered on the goal of increasing short range hits by 100%, so the US didn't see it worthwhile replacing a cheap M16 with an expensive alternative for a slight increase. Germany... which needed to replace their G3s anyway... did. Until the Cold War ended.
The mech looks like the French rotary SMG. Interesting concept. I was in when this was being trialed amongst other futuristic types.
Oh man, I am so looking forward to the AAI video.
It's coming :-)
This is amazing. Finally a great video about g11. I would suggest contacting Ian from forgotten weapons for a collaboration. He is very much looking to get his hands on all of those rifles and is extremely eager to make a video on it. If you can do a collaboration with him or even vickers tactical it would be wonderful. I am not sure if he knows about this video so would be letting him know. Thank you so much.
Ian has actually already visited the collections this video was filmed at. We're always open to collaboration. Thanks for the kind words! - Matt
Well Ian never made a video on G11 or those rifles. Haha thanks for letting me know, now I am going to harass him for not making videos on those rifles since he mentioned he didn't really have knowledge of where they are or access to it. Great videos. Keep them coming.
German Engineering:
very complicated but it works!
H&K should make those for civilian market i guess that many gun collectors would want such rifle
Guys, don't forget to check out our full series on the ACR trials rifles here: We covered all of the ACR rifles: armourersbench.com/2018/02/18/advanced-combat-rifle-prototypes/ Thanks for watching! - Matt
Imagine the Bundeswehr adopted this Spaceship and they wanted some NATO changes for example a change of calibre Size. Doing that for Plattforms like the AK or AR isn't a problem. Doing the change for something I can only describe as a mechanical overcomplicated mess would require reworking, recalibrating and recalculating the physics behind each and every part. Not to mention the nightmare that is cleaning and disassembly. I think caseless ammo has a place, but the plattform on which it runs wasn't the right one.
I'll take 3 boxes of the caseless please!
I'd like to know about your source for the ammo. I've been lucky enough to get a hold of 5 rounds. I'd like ten more for my collection, since that seems to be the number in the mag loader thing.
I know a source of 'dummy' (Drill) rounds! Vic
Thanks for the fast reply!
I was poking around on the small arms review website, and found pictures and diagrams of an LMG version of the G11 (LMG-11). Are there any of those that exist, and are functional prototypes as well?
Can you link us to those diagrams? Would love to see them! - Matt
The Armourer's Bench here: www.smallarmsreview.com/archive/detail.arc.entry.cfm?arcid=7601
@@jackandersen1262 ah yes I've seen those, interesting magazine system.
That's not the final model. That's the K1. The final model was the K2.
If you ever wanted to known how the space magic works, we have you covered: ua-cam.com/video/D7ooe6OaKzM/v-deo.html
My love of life gun. at least i got a copy of it at home, so i can do.... things...
Was anyone able to find actual ammunition?
And I thought HK made the USP needlessly complicated!
This is the very epitome of German over-engineering! I wouldn't want to have to disassemble that without a large, very clean room and I'd dread trying to fix that in the field...
This gun looks like it came from Star Wars
Ironically, most of the guns used to film _Star Wars_ dated back to WWII or earlier.
Wouldn't the G11K2 that would be one of the "final" versions of the G11 be the one with the straight "more ergonomic" handguard with 2 extra magazine slots like the one shown in the H&K Brochure? And during one of the public demonstrations at Aberdeen, H&K said that Operational level field strip could be accomplished with ease, with James Schatz demonstrating it (although not much was caught on camera), I would love to see how that claim holds in the later videos about it. I'm also looking foward to the videos about the AAI and Colt ACR, wich I feel are somewhat neglected when compared to the G11 and Steyr ACR.
We've been looking into this, there is some variation with the fore-ends of the of the G11, the squared off version which carried two spare magazines is often called the K2 but other ACR and late W.German Army examples with earlier fore-end styles also appear to have the magazine slot. This is something we will discuss in a video at a later date! And the 1992 video with Jim Schatz is quite something! From the operator and armourers manuals from 1989 they both consider a in field field strip to end at the removal of (IIRC) the breech cylinder from the breech & barrel assembly and no further. Stripping will also be covered in a future video! Thanks - Matt
Very advance rifle but very complicated!
basically what the terraria clockwork rifle was based off of.
When will you be continueing this series on ACR rifles?
MrPotato it will hopefully be Vic's next video - Matt
I want one
Me too where can I get one just for collection
Wouldn't have looked out of place in the aliens movie would it!
Ha! Very true.
all this to safe 50% ammunition weight
Мудрёна лишку.
KRAUT WELTRAUM MAGIE
The G11 is so advance that there is good reason why it never became mainstream, Imagine going back in time to 1700's and giving them and M-16, not much would happen because it would be too costly or simply impossible for them to manufacture it. Maybe something like the G11 would make sense in 2100's where it and its ammunition could be manufacture cheaply.
Complex for a rifle but mostly similar to a mechanical computer
Yes, good comparison.
Is this Q?
Q?
HK won't make this again for the same reason they won't make the P7: they hate us and we suck.
Saludos , un video sobre el G-11 LMG seria muy interesante . Gracias .guns.wikia.com/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_LMG11
ALBERTO MORALES Gracias Alberto. I doubt we'll find an LMG variant but we'll try. In the meantime I do have some documents about it.
Probably complex enough to shoot and file your taxes.
Germans sure know how to make the worst fucking military rifle in history again, and again and again.
StG system was fine but as usual they overengineered it.
Then the guys who did the StG system went to Spain to make probably the best rifle ever, CETME rifle which developed into G3 which same damn rifle except a few more things.
Thankfully the Krauts did not get their hands on the G3 to over complicate it as usual, but I am sure they want to make it 50 billion times more difficult to manufacture if they wanted to.
Good lord that thing is fugly
Over-engineering at its finest
Galee ya friggin mouth breather move the mic lol
Looks and sounds awesome but works kinda shit
If that mechanism failed in combat, you‘d be fucked
Ya know the Germans always make good stuff
This video did not get NEARLY as much views as it should have. I love gun Jesus but he got the prototype G11, this is what I think is just as interesting as the prototype G11. Good, not so in depth video but he did mention how this ammunition works which was Coolio.
Thanks for watching, don't forget to check out our video showing the disassembly of an ACR version of the G11!
G11, the best Assaultrifle ever created. Sadly not introduced into our Bundeswehr
FuckinAntiPope it was going to be adopted, but the Berlin Wall fell and it was decided that it would be cheaper to rebuild the East German economy than to adopt this rifle.