Well, the thing about life is that you always learn something new. And you are about to get an education. The purpose of FSU’s lawsuit is not to just walk away but force the ACC to the settlement table and get both parties to agree on a number. It will cost them but then they will be out.
The ACC is not going to do that The ACC has already set it's a ironclad deal that end in the motion is going to be nothing this is all posture by Florida State and all the other school they ain't getting out of his grandma rights deal anybody can say whatever the hell they want they're not getting out of it It just ain't going to happen everybody speculating Florida State has nothing they're just talking to talk for everyone to throw up chatter@@505premoto
Acc will have no choice contracts are broken all the time and since no one has even seen the real contracts no one really knows what can happen or what is allowed.
Another historic conference will go defunct and soon theyll only be 2 major conferences. college football is ruined by money theyre trying to make it more like the nfl which sucks i dont know how much longer i can take this
This needs to stop. At what point was college football this equitable place? In the entire playoff era, only 4 teams had a real shot at winning a natty - UGA, Clemson, Bama, and OSU. How were things different in the BCS era except USC and Florida were spending big under Carroll and Meyer? There's an entire 30 for 30 series about Miami buying players in the 80s. Money has always been a factor for the last 40+ years.
ESPN started all this consolidation by poaching the BigEast to death.. then poaching the Big12 to near death. Then lowballing the Pac12 to death. They want SEC to be the sole P1
@@joe_zeay Lies you tell. Conference consolidation (sold to ya'll as realignment) has been going on since before ESPN turned it's first profit. We're well over 50 years into situation.
If the SEC doesn't add Clemson , FSU, and Miami they are going to be stuck at 16. And the Big 12 will over take them. SEC only has Alabama, Georgia, Texas and LSU . no body else has the value of FSU and Clemson
Doubt Miami ever gets an invite to the SEC and no way will FSU ever accept an invite to the SEC even if they got one which isn’t likely to happen unless all the North Carolina schools and Virginia schools go to the B1G
I enjoy watching College Football. There is a TV station here in Germany which airs two games every saturday evening. But I must say that College Football is probably the most complicated sports in the USA when it comes to find the national champion.
It's only the Division 1 level that has this (self created) problem. Every other level has a good ol playoff tournament like their supposed to. It is in fact the only level of ANY SPORT in this country that doesn't have a proper playoff tournament to decide the national champion.
@hulluporo9067 Actually its not even all of Division 1 (my mistake) its just the FBS (major half) level. The (minor half) FCS level has a full playoff as well. Anyway, the answer is.....Money & politics. Like most sports, football started at the young adult (college) level and spread from there. College Football started making money before the infrastructure was built. Basketball had similar issue on a smaller scale, but it was quickly understood that the "real money" for them was in hosting tournaments (the NIT was born soon after, which gave way to the March Madness tournament we see today). With several loose alliances that won't agree on much (hence various "claimed" national championships), the newspapers were allowed to step in and say, "we'll do it" and for about 50 years (until the BCS debuted in 1998), Champs were decided by votes and polls. During that time, the NCAA & CFB developed and large crowds attract advertisers. So the Bowl system (glorfied participation trophies) was created because advertisers (later TV networks as well) wanted in and fans still wanted to see certain teams play each other, but nobody dare suggest a "playoff" because taking away the votes and polls would mess up "tradition" (and forcing teams to actually prove whos the best is just rude). The success of the post merger NFL and its Super Bowl (a nod to CFB's bowl system), growing frustrations with the "votes and polls" method and TV networks wanting more content (mainly a college Super Bowl), made it where a bunch of computer guys were allowed to come in and say, "We'll do it" and the 16 year disaster known as the BCS was born, but nobody dare suggest a "playoff" because taking away the bowl system to make room for a proper playoff system would mess up "tradition" (and millions of dollars already accounted for). In the later years of the 16 year mess known as the BCS, the word "playoff" finally was unbanned, but the big question was "how many teams?". With conference championships being unanimously embraced by this point, its easy to think "lets do Football's version of March Madness" but......the "Power 5" conferences were firmly against sharing too much spotlight with the Mid-Major "Group of 5" conferences, the NCAA still wanted to keep the bowl system in place and the major bowl committees (the New Year's 4 then, 6 now) themselves didn't want too many minor bowl sites getting possible access to playoff games. So to make everyone happy, it was agreed that for next 10 years we would have a 4 team playoff and combine the computers with the "votes & polls" to form a committee. That brings us to today were the same issues plus the TV networks working overtime to complete conference "realignment" (consolidation), have given us a now 12 team playoff starting next year. Let's see how that goes. They'll get there one day.....hopefully.
IMO, I'm going to tell you to keep hoping then b/c FSU has the profile of a SEC school, not a Big Ten school. They're not an AAU member, their endowment is tiny (< $1B), & they are a football-centric brand with limited market appeal beyond Florida. I personally thing that University of Miami has more appeal to the Big 10 w/ their better national brand, larger endowment, AAU membership, and larger media market access in the form of Miami metro plus South FL. I think that FSU will be okay in the end (& will likely land in the SEC when it is all said and done along with Clemson). Despite what the SEC is saying publicly, they need to add product in the form of additional games and FSU (& Clemson) is a natural fit with their location, student enrollment, public school status, football centric athletic department, and small endowment. And the added revenue that they'll bring to the SEC will get U of FL to swallow any objections that they may have.
@@williamgarry2635 the SEC doesn't want FSU. They have Florida. The BIG would add FSU to get into the Florida market. They did get Miami several months ago with 9 other teams but FSU has really good ratings. As for AAU status, the BIG coveted ND for years and they only acquired that status recently.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np, brace yourself for a response that turned out to be longer than I originally intended. My attitude is that the SEC & Big Ten are lying about what they want. History shows us that ALL of these college moves come out of left field & are rarely what is "rumored' to be happening. We see their actual intentions when they hold an emergency meeting and wind up adding a team approximately a week after that team asks to join the conference. When I look at the history of teams the Big Ten has added in the last 30 yrs (Penn St, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland, USC, UCLA, Oregon, & Washington), I see AAU members with strong endowments that add college sports brand names and allows them to expand their market reach into new large media markets. When I look at SEC additions over the same period (Ark, Texas A&M, Mizzou, Oklahoma, Texas), I see public schools with sub $3B endowments (w/ exceptions of UT & Tx A&M) and regional connections that add new states that are football centric brands. When I ask myself which group of schools does FSU look like, I "personally" think that FSU looks more like the schools that the SEC has added than any of the schools that the Big Ten has added. At the end of the day, I COULD BE WRONG. However, I'm not just basing this on my personal history, I'm trying to look at the history of the two conferences. And I "personally" think that FSU & Clemson add more to the SEC than they add to the Big Ten. At the end of the day, it's just my opinion and I think that this is an interesting discussion.
If FSU had as poor of a case as you think they do, there is no way the ACC would let them out for less than 18% of value--even if they got "a friendly judge." The only way that happens is if they got the legal high-ground.
Its kind of sad how all the players who intended to transfer aren't even bothering staying at their old schools for the bowl game. It severely waters down bowl season
It's not really up to them. The old school and the new school have to approve of them staying thru the postseason. This is not like declaring for the draft then opting out.
@great-one0389 think about it like this. Old school's coach: why would I give playing time to a guy leaving for the competition? When I can just give that time to your replacement. New school's coach: why would I want my new talent playing and risking injury in a game that does nothing nor means anything to us? It's better you spend that time moving and getting your affairs in order during Christmas break....spring semester starts soon. This is a business at the end of the day.
IMHO, I believe FSU will get of there contract. I just don't believe $100 million will be enough. I'm thinking $200 million at least, definitely not more than $250 million.
It may be blasphemous, but if for UNC & Duke, if it means the difference between making ~$39.6M/yr in 2025 to remain in the ACC (prior to any departure by other teams) or $75M/yr to be in the Big TEN or SEC & by 2028, the difference between making $59M/yr in the ACC or making >$100M/yr in the SEC or Big Ten, then I'm going to tell you to prepare for blasphemy because history tells us that in college sports, MONEY TALKS...
Has anyone else figured out that the B1G can add just ONE more team and be fine? No? It's just ME again who is able to figure this out? AGAIN? Figures. Now... to be CLEAR.... I am NOT saying this WILL HAPPEN. Just that it COULD happen. CHECK THIS OUT. 1) Adding 1 more team puts the B1G at 19 teams. 2) B1G Football schedule is 9 games. 3) The schedule could be: Play 9 teams 1 year and the other 9 teams the next year OR maybe 9 teams home and away for 2 years and then the other 9 teams the next 2 years. 4) B1G Championship Game determined by 2 teams with Best Record or Highest Playoff Rankings or whatever 5) No Divisions 6) Play EVERYBODY 2 times every 4 years 7) None of the squabbling and crying over who gets to be in what Division and who gets the Harder or Easier schedule BS 8) ONE CONFERENCE all playing the same schedule So... KNOWING THAT is possible... WHY would the B1G add MORE than ONE team? Stupidity? An OCD need to have Even Numbers it doesn't need? Why not just take the ONE TEAM with the BEST TV RATINGS... who is also the ONLY TEAM that is DUMB ENOUGH to join the B1G for NOTHING... after it sues its way into paying $500 Million to its current conference. Knowing that why wouldn't the B1G just ABUSE the STUPIDITY of FSU into the next Decade and call itself the Best Conference... and still not win anything on the Field.
Nc and Va fit and add to the sec footprint. Nc is already a border with Tn (sec), SC (sec), Ga (sec) states. Clemson and fsu do not bring any new value to either sec footprint, media market, quality of fb. Why would sec dilute itself, with no value add ?
@EyeOfTheWatcher if the 3 ACC schools leave for the B1G and SEC, then 4 more will leave for the Big 12 & it won't be the PAC schools or SMU. If Fox/CBS or ESPN pluck the 4 biggest TV friendly schools out of the ACC, why would they put much money into what is remaining?
NC State is not leaving the conference. Not after what I see where they voted to let SMU, Cal and Stanford in. I think they did this knowing that FSU, Miami and Clemson would leave... go through the song and dance and negotiate a buyout and add another Florida team and then they are going to be one of the better teams along with Louisville to make the CFP and they can then get the new uneven revenue distribution in their favour. NC State has been co-opted by ESPN and now they and other ACC officials are saying that they know they cannot compete with the SEC but they will destroy FSU and Miami's value in order to maintain some weird collectivist model while Notre Dame gets to have it's cake and eat it also. The way the new ND AD is talking I think he sees the writing on the wall also and they may partner with FSU to go to the B1G
The reason the ACC is going to stick around: unlike the Pac-12, the ACC has a media deal. And in fact, this media deal pays each school more than the Big 12 deal. While the top of the ACC can make more money elsewhere, there’s no chance that the academic-focused basketball schools make more money in another conference.
Doubtful that ESPN walks away. They still need content on their networks. A repleted ACC still has some value and already has their tv deal. Backfill to keep it above the 15 teams and carry on much like the Big12.
I agree. The ACC has that media contract and strength of numbers. Besides, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, UVA, and ND are probably the only ACC schools who have substantial clout, pretty much everyone else has to stay put. If anything, the B1G and SEC would just pick off the top 4-6 schools, and then the ACC would steal Tulane, Memphis, USF, etc to backfill their ranks.
Not sure the P2 is going to be as big of a deal as the networks want. Espn is desperate for money. When the amount of people watching drops, not sure how the sponsors will feel. The Acc and Big 12 should break away and do their own thing.
If the Acc teams refuse to leave the Acc in my mind it kills the P2 idea. So much of the country would not be invested in the P2 plans they would have to lose Viewership. Would be great to see it all blowup in the Sec, Big 10 and ESPN face. The Acc has a lot of power if they stick together. The Acc had bad leadership though. With the population of the Acc states, they can get what they want, just break away and start their own think. There are plenty of networks, get away from Espn.
@@garlandalmarode6396 The Big 4 (ABC, CBS, NBC & Fox) are all apart of this. Where exactly do you think the ACC can go to "do their own thing"? And what is this "own thing" they would be doing once they got there?
I understand the money that comes with playing in the SEC/BIG but why do we keep acting like all the programs in those conferences are top tier. Once you get past the top 4 schools the rest of these conferences are mediocre. We’re talking about the NWs and Vandy’s. No offense but I think we’re giving too much credit to these conferences just for having two dominant programs.
Good football is not the only thing that makes a power conference, a power conference. Everybody has a role to play for this thing (a conference) to work properly. Also in Vandy & Northwestern's case being there from Day 1 is big help too. Bet Tulane and UChicago wish they had of stayed in the fold.
You’re basing your opinion on normal bias bs. Bro Lundy is not the best LB, just believing all the crap you see people post. Kalen Deloach and Tatum Bethune are, with Deloach being the best of them. FSU is basically only losing Verse on defense for this game and that void will be filled with Darrell Jackson. Still loaded at RB and Receiver with Hykeem and Spann, if Brock Glenn plays ok then its a game bub.
You know, Depressed Ginger, I think you hit the nail right on the head when you said that college football is gonna look a lot different in 2030. Here's a question for you: Suppose you have a single 64-team conference in the Power 5, and a single 64-team conference in the Group of 5 (as Chip Kelly is advocating for). What teams would you put in each conference? I'd be very interested in seeing you do a video about that. In the meantime, keep up the good work. Hope to hear from you soon.
How is it Harbaugh is allowed to coach during the conference championship game and the playoffs in between 2 suspensions for the same infraction? That just seems sketchy. Your suspended 3 games and your going to face a suspension next year too but you won't be suspended during the playoffs in between? Does that not just seem sketchy as hell?
Look, the ACC could get 100 million this second from FSU to get free. The ACC won't ever settle for that amount. If FSU wins their claims and nullify the exit fee and the GoR as excessively punative (nullification is the ONLY route, there is no reduction) then FSU probably wouldn't settle for that much, they'd aim for a lesser amount.
@@atkkeqnfr No, that's pretty much what any decision maker will tell you if you could have their honest answer. I'm guessing you don't actually know what I said... but I guess you just may not know what YOU'RE talking about. Reading is fundamental.
The GOR isn't a damage much less punitive. The terms of the GOR are either against public policy or not. The terms have either been breached or not. Imagine a landowner suing to terminate a lease early just because they really want the property back and will suffer some harm otherwise. If the tenant wants to keep the property for the lease term, does it really matter how much harm the landlord claims or even proves?
@@tarheel7406 FSU's legal argument is that the GoR represents/is a liquidated damages clause (and also that the exit fee is as well). A court finding that puts it in jeopardy. In NC and FL such clauses must be one of two things... or they aren't upheld. 1. They must represent something in the vicinity of actual damages at the time the contract is signed. 2. Exceptions are made if they represent somthing akin to the actual damages at the time the contract is breached, even if they were excessive at the time the contract is signed. To quote a legal dictionary: "The sum must be proportionate and must not be excessive." Proportionate is defined as acutal damages in a variety of places. Judge Cooper (an FSU alum btw) has been given the case. It will be up to him whether he accepts that Florida is the proper venue for FSU's substantive lawsuit or if the ACC's declaratory action preemption will determine venue. Is an exit fee liquidated damages? I suspect a court will find that it is. Is it excessive? I have no idea. It is a seperate agreement from the GoR though. It is a penalty for leaving the conference, not the GoR. It is a more established practice in any case. The GoR, used in this way, has never really been challenged. BTW, it might not be here either. The ACC could settle before any potential damage is done to the concept. I've always said, and this is what the restraint of trade claim is about, in part, the ACC will not be able to keep FSU's rights. At least not for any substantial time frame. This is my opinion, of course, but it just wouldn't be good public policy to lock universities into these agreements. Courts will determine how much money it should cost to leave. There are a lot of variables there. ESPN suing the ACC, making legal demands for refunds, or forcing a renegotiation for example. It isn't impossible that the ACC sees substantial damages from FSU leaving (and has the legal right to pass those on to FSU). Your analogy doesn't quite work. FSU isn't claiming really anything at all that fits into it. FSU may be suing for that reason, but it really doesn't resemble the claims. FSU cannot tell a court that they can do better elsewhere and they aren't telling a court that the ACC didn't do as good a job as the SEC. I've heard an actual attorney say that so clearly he didn't read or couldn't understand the complaints. FSU is arguing that the ACC's imcompetence has risen to an unacceptable level and/or that they are purposely acting in a way that is not in the best interests of FSU. It doesn't actually matter that it may benefit other contracted parties. They must act in a way that benefits each contracted party. They are not required to have been successful in representing FSU's interests though, they aren't even required to have done their best. They are required to give the appearance they had FSU's interests in mind. If the ACC can show emails where they made similar arguments with ESPN that would be sufficient to defeat the claim. FSU must show: 1. Gross negligence or 2. Intentional harm. These are hard standards to meet. I don't find the claims laughable or absurd though. They are pretty normal in these types of disputes. To bring this back to your analogy... the farmer that leased the field is actively damaging it or has done damage to it, he is not using it in a reasonable way or as the owner expected when it was leased to the farmer. These are absolutely ways to sue to break the lease, though they would actually be in a contract normally, they would not have to be. Another way the analogy doesn't work is FSU is the farmer and has agreed to deliver all his produce to a co-op but the ACC isn't negotiating at all on prices (according to the claims, again they just need to demonstrate an attempt) and is threatening that the market to which the co-op sells will stop accepting any produce if the farmer doesn't agree to 9 more years at cost... but the market isn't even required to accept the nine more years, only that the farmer sign on to the co-op for that time. FSU is required to perform for 13 years though, not to lease a part of its property. Property leases are another area that have very different areas of law controlling them, and fairly standard contracts and accepted clauses that really protect the parties much better. It can't work as an analogy very well. This is a very novel area of law where the crafters have thought that keeping it simple with draconian penalties to exit should keep it from having loopholes but basically allow any behavior to fly. I really don't think courts will look favorably on it.
Actually, their best course is to drop football and spend the money on hockey. Build the fanciest hockey arena in all of college and be the king of the ice.
@@505premoto Their program was better in the Big East . You can’t recruit against all those other schools who are in warmer climates when you have cold snowy winters .
South Carolina & Florida will not say anything about Clemson & FSU (nor Miami) joining the SEC. They will shut their mouths after they see how much new money rolls in just like Texas A&M did after UT/OU announcement.
Correction to the previous post the ACC most definitely does not make more money per school than the Big 12. With that said the difference is not big enough to entice Florida State. And having dealt with one prima donna school already I'm not sure I would want another.
@@garlandalmarode6396 FSU would only be paying Taggart for one more month and isn't paying anyone else, goober. FSU didn't fire Fisher. Quit spreading false information just because the ACC is a joke once FSU is gone.
All you have to do is take the pac 2 at add Stanford and Cal the bottom feeders of the ACC the best of the mountain west and a couple Texas schools and you have another powerful 4 conference Tulane and may another school from that conference, Mid-America conference and you’re all good
Depressed Ginger we won't know until tonight whose showing up for my Dawgs. We'll get answers tonight and the point spread will probably move afterwards.
If FSU already has 3 schools on board to leave by paying $100 million then they only need 5 more to dissolve the conference and leave without paying fees, yeah?
UNC will be gone. UVA is legally bound to VTech so a conference would have to want both schools. Two shares is a lot of money for 2 teams with fans that don’t watch football
@@Doc_Boots Fans don’t want or watch UNC football either. And North Carolina is not a good college football market. No one in NC cares about it and it shows. Did you look up where UNC is ranked in viewership? Dreadful, isn’t it? Embarrassing, really, for a school that tries to brag about how important they are. They aren’t.
B1G goes to 24 teams with ND, FSU, Miami, Stanford, Cal, and either GA Tech or Clemson SEC goes to 20 teams with NC, NC ST, VA, VA Tech Big XII gets pick of the rest…either goes to 20 or could very well go to 24. I can see this lineup. Could do either 2 divisions or 6 regional pods BIG XII WEST BYU AZ AZ ST UTAH HOUSTON BAYLOR TCU TEXAS TECH KSU KU OSU COL BIG XII EAST IA ST CINCY LOUISVILLE MEMPHIS BC SYRACUSE WEST VIRGINIA PITT DUKE UCF GA TECH WF
I think that you are close. IMO, I think that we wind up with: B1G goes to 24 teams with ND, Miami, Stanford, Duke, and 2 of the following: UNC, UVA, Cal or GA Tech. ND is the Big Ten's "white whale" and they will add whatever schools will close that deal. SEC goes to 20 or 24 teams with FSU, Clemson, Louisville, VA Tech plus some combo of UNC, UVA, Arizona, ASU, Baylor, OSU, Tx Tech, & TCU. In the end, the SEC is going to be in a pickle if they don't add a "west wing" to compete with the schedule that the Big Ten is going to be able to offer to broadcasters with a coast-to-coast collection of teams.
@@Troy2023-xc1zy, sadly no unless the SEC & Big Ten go up to 28 to 32 team conferences. No team has gotten into the Big Ten w/o being an AAU member (& even ND has now joined the AAU). Plus the Big Ten seems committed to expanding into new lucrative broadcast markets with all of the additions that they have made all the way back to adding Penn State. WF "may" make the cut if the SEC needs to add a lot of teams to get up to 24 or 26 teams, but there are a LOT of good football schools the SEC could add before they get to Wake Forest...
@@williamgarry2635 Big XII isn’t getting raided. Greg Sankey has already said they are staying at 16 if they can’t get NC/VA. SEC caps at 20. The teams I listed in 2 divisions but also in pods of 4 schools all geographically related. This would be huge for basketball as well. Only question is GA Tech as B1G may take them over Clemson which we would take instead
You do realize the GOR ends in 2027, not 2036, as ESPN has not yet picked up the option until 2036? Also, the ACC commissioner unilaterally gave ESPN an extension for them to make the decision, from 2021 to 2025, without asking ACC member schools? That violates ACC constitution. FSU has a valid argument if you look at it fairly.
Not buying it. unc-CHeat is garbage in football and gets low TV ratings for football. This is about football, not basketball "brand" schools. If basketball brands were so coveted, then why does no one want Kansas or Duke?
Some prize. Tell me more about the National Championships their football team won. How many did you say? How many top 5 finishes? How many top 10 finishes? Years ranked? Heisman Trophy winners? And, here’s the really important question - how much money did they generate for their conference? Would they MAKE money for another conference or LOSE money and be a welfare case? Conferences derive 80% of their revenue from football. So, the strength of the football program is the most important factor. Please do expound on UNC’s performance in that regard.
NC State has been consistently good recently -- finished top 25 for the last 4 years and one of only like five D1 programs with at least 8 wins for the last 4 years. NC State gets better TV ratings in football than UNC, and has a better football program than UNC for the last 10-15 years.
We’re slowly working our way to an end of conferences for college football and more towards an NFL setup.
Now to question is what will the endgame be?
Will the SEC and B1G breakaway and form their own league or will the B1G slowly pull the SEC apart?
This is why FCS is superior to this garbage
Why would the ACC let them out? They have no reason to do that, at all. Wishful thinking on FSUs part.
Well, the thing about life is that you always learn something new. And you are about to get an education. The purpose of FSU’s lawsuit is not to just walk away but force the ACC to the settlement table and get both parties to agree on a number. It will cost them but then they will be out.
The ACC is not going to do that The ACC has already set it's a ironclad deal that end in the motion is going to be nothing this is all posture by Florida State and all the other school they ain't getting out of his grandma rights deal anybody can say whatever the hell they want they're not getting out of it It just ain't going to happen everybody speculating Florida State has nothing they're just talking to talk for everyone to throw up chatter@@505premoto
FSU is gone the ACC is a crap conference and a doomed conference nuff siad
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Acc will have no choice contracts are broken all the time and since no one has even seen the real contracts no one really knows what can happen or what is allowed.
Another historic conference will go defunct and soon theyll only be 2 major conferences. college football is ruined by money theyre trying to make it more like the nfl which sucks i dont know how much longer i can take this
This needs to stop. At what point was college football this equitable place? In the entire playoff era, only 4 teams had a real shot at winning a natty - UGA, Clemson, Bama, and OSU. How were things different in the BCS era except USC and Florida were spending big under Carroll and Meyer? There's an entire 30 for 30 series about Miami buying players in the 80s. Money has always been a factor for the last 40+ years.
My dad is older than the acc .😂 and ACC isn't going anywhere and if u knew the history of the conference u would know that FSU joined in 1991
ESPN started all this consolidation by poaching the BigEast to death.. then poaching the Big12 to near death. Then lowballing the Pac12 to death.
They want SEC to be the sole P1
Harbaugh is fake news by Espn to hurt Michigan recruiting
@@joe_zeay Lies you tell. Conference consolidation (sold to ya'll as realignment) has been going on since before ESPN turned it's first profit. We're well over 50 years into situation.
The PAC 12 had 2 years left on their GOR. The ACC has 13, c'mon.
If the SEC doesn't add Clemson , FSU, and Miami they are going to be stuck at 16. And the Big 12 will over take them. SEC only has Alabama, Georgia, Texas and LSU . no body else has the value of FSU and Clemson
You really need to read the entire filing. There are numerous specific details.
The acc broke their own bylaws so how can they enforce them on their teams ?
No way the SEC allows the B10 to take Clemson or FSU regardless of what the SEC pundits are saying out loud.
exactly.
No way? I suspect that the SEC will easily allow CLEMSON and/or FSU to go to the B1G if it can get a UVA/UNC firewall.
The sec would need to get to 20 to match the big fsu miami Clemson nc are perfect @tarheel7406
Doubt Miami ever gets an invite to the SEC and no way will FSU ever accept an invite to the SEC even if they got one which isn’t likely to happen unless all the North Carolina schools and Virginia schools go to the B1G
SEC is afraid of FSU because they would change the power balancea
I enjoy watching College Football. There is a TV station here in Germany which airs two games every saturday evening. But I must say that College Football is probably the most complicated sports in the USA when it comes to find the national champion.
It's only the Division 1 level that has this (self created) problem. Every other level has a good ol playoff tournament like their supposed to. It is in fact the only level of ANY SPORT in this country that doesn't have a proper playoff tournament to decide the national champion.
@@xfacta334 I see, but I wonder what kept Division 1 from having a more logical way to find the national champion?
@hulluporo9067 Actually its not even all of Division 1 (my mistake) its just the FBS (major half) level. The (minor half) FCS level has a full playoff as well. Anyway, the answer is.....Money & politics. Like most sports, football started at the young adult (college) level and spread from there. College Football started making money before the infrastructure was built. Basketball had similar issue on a smaller scale, but it was quickly understood that the "real money" for them was in hosting tournaments (the NIT was born soon after, which gave way to the March Madness tournament we see today). With several loose alliances that won't agree on much (hence various "claimed" national championships), the newspapers were allowed to step in and say, "we'll do it" and for about 50 years (until the BCS debuted in 1998), Champs were decided by votes and polls. During that time, the NCAA & CFB developed and large crowds attract advertisers. So the Bowl system (glorfied participation trophies) was created because advertisers (later TV networks as well) wanted in and fans still wanted to see certain teams play each other, but nobody dare suggest a "playoff" because taking away the votes and polls would mess up "tradition" (and forcing teams to actually prove whos the best is just rude). The success of the post merger NFL and its Super Bowl (a nod to CFB's bowl system), growing frustrations with the "votes and polls" method and TV networks wanting more content (mainly a college Super Bowl), made it where a bunch of computer guys were allowed to come in and say, "We'll do it" and the 16 year disaster known as the BCS was born, but nobody dare suggest a "playoff" because taking away the bowl system to make room for a proper playoff system would mess up "tradition" (and millions of dollars already accounted for). In the later years of the 16 year mess known as the BCS, the word "playoff" finally was unbanned, but the big question was "how many teams?". With conference championships being unanimously embraced by this point, its easy to think "lets do Football's version of March Madness" but......the "Power 5" conferences were firmly against sharing too much spotlight with the Mid-Major "Group of 5" conferences, the NCAA still wanted to keep the bowl system in place and the major bowl committees (the New Year's 4 then, 6 now) themselves didn't want too many minor bowl sites getting possible access to playoff games. So to make everyone happy, it was agreed that for next 10 years we would have a 4 team playoff and combine the computers with the "votes & polls" to form a committee. That brings us to today were the same issues plus the TV networks working overtime to complete conference "realignment" (consolidation), have given us a now 12 team playoff starting next year. Let's see how that goes. They'll get there one day.....hopefully.
@@xfacta334 Thank you
@@hulluporo9067 No problem.
I hope the Big Ten will take FSU in 🙏🙏🙏
They want to get into Florida.
IMO, I'm going to tell you to keep hoping then b/c FSU has the profile of a SEC school, not a Big Ten school. They're not an AAU member, their endowment is tiny (< $1B), & they are a football-centric brand with limited market appeal beyond Florida. I personally thing that University of Miami has more appeal to the Big 10 w/ their better national brand, larger endowment, AAU membership, and larger media market access in the form of Miami metro plus South FL.
I think that FSU will be okay in the end (& will likely land in the SEC when it is all said and done along with Clemson). Despite what the SEC is saying publicly, they need to add product in the form of additional games and FSU (& Clemson) is a natural fit with their location, student enrollment, public school status, football centric athletic department, and small endowment. And the added revenue that they'll bring to the SEC will get U of FL to swallow any objections that they may have.
@@williamgarry2635 the SEC doesn't want FSU. They have Florida. The BIG would add FSU to get into the Florida market. They did get Miami several months ago with 9 other teams but FSU has really good ratings. As for AAU status, the BIG coveted ND for years and they only acquired that status recently.
Vet Miami I mean
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np, brace yourself for a response that turned out to be longer than I originally intended. My attitude is that the SEC & Big Ten are lying about what they want. History shows us that ALL of these college moves come out of left field & are rarely what is "rumored' to be happening. We see their actual intentions when they hold an emergency meeting and wind up adding a team approximately a week after that team asks to join the conference.
When I look at the history of teams the Big Ten has added in the last 30 yrs (Penn St, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland, USC, UCLA, Oregon, & Washington), I see AAU members with strong endowments that add college sports brand names and allows them to expand their market reach into new large media markets.
When I look at SEC additions over the same period (Ark, Texas A&M, Mizzou, Oklahoma, Texas), I see public schools with sub $3B endowments (w/ exceptions of UT & Tx A&M) and regional connections that add new states that are football centric brands.
When I ask myself which group of schools does FSU look like, I "personally" think that FSU looks more like the schools that the SEC has added than any of the schools that the Big Ten has added. At the end of the day, I COULD BE WRONG. However, I'm not just basing this on my personal history, I'm trying to look at the history of the two conferences. And I "personally" think that FSU & Clemson add more to the SEC than they add to the Big Ten. At the end of the day, it's just my opinion and I think that this is an interesting discussion.
If FSU had as poor of a case as you think they do, there is no way the ACC would let them out for less than 18% of value--even if they got "a friendly judge." The only way that happens is if they got the legal high-ground.
Its kind of sad how all the players who intended to transfer aren't even bothering staying at their old schools for the bowl game. It severely waters down bowl season
It's not really up to them. The old school and the new school have to approve of them staying thru the postseason. This is not like declaring for the draft then opting out.
@@xfacta334 so they have to approve of the player staying at the old school thru the bowl season and if they don't the player has to pack and leave?
@great-one0389 think about it like this.
Old school's coach: why would I give playing time to a guy leaving for the competition? When I can just give that time to your replacement.
New school's coach: why would I want my new talent playing and risking injury in a game that does nothing nor means anything to us? It's better you spend that time moving and getting your affairs in order during Christmas break....spring semester starts soon.
This is a business at the end of the day.
This source is not a legit media source. You need to double check these sources. Sportskeeds is not a real media outlet
Contracts these days are like sports records: both are made to be broken... 😏
IMHO, I believe FSU will get of there contract. I just don't believe $100 million will be enough. I'm thinking $200 million at least, definitely not more than $250 million.
122Mill
God college football is all money
what sport isn’t?
Why would you play for something that doesn’t matter I would advise kids not to play
Because ESPN, the same outfit that screwed them out of the playoffs, needs the money. Not one single player wants to be there.
You are right you are not a lawyer. Go your research sir.
UNC isn’t leaving without Duke. If they do leave, They will take Duke with them.
As long as Duke is in the ACC, UNC Ain’t going anywhere.
Nonsense
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ > DUKE
UNC & Duke are a somewhat package deal, but don't get things twisted UNC determines where that package goes....not anybody else on Tabacco Road.
I agree, UNC won't leave without Duke.
It would be blasphemous to split the Tobacco Road 4.
No more blasphemous than USC/UCLA/ORE/WASH leaving PAC12 for BG10
It may be blasphemous, but if for UNC & Duke, if it means the difference between making ~$39.6M/yr in 2025 to remain in the ACC (prior to any departure by other teams) or $75M/yr to be in the Big TEN or SEC & by 2028, the difference between making $59M/yr in the ACC or making >$100M/yr in the SEC or Big Ten, then I'm going to tell you to prepare for blasphemy because history tells us that in college sports, MONEY TALKS...
Well blasphemy it is then cause Wake Forest isn't going where the other 3 are going.
@@crittoneida958 we been battling here before u were a state what u talkin bout
@johnnywalker984 I am not a state nor have i ever been one...what U talking abt?
Has anyone else figured out that the B1G can add just ONE more team and be fine? No?
It's just ME again who is able to figure this out? AGAIN? Figures.
Now... to be CLEAR.... I am NOT saying this WILL HAPPEN. Just that it COULD happen.
CHECK THIS OUT.
1) Adding 1 more team puts the B1G at 19 teams.
2) B1G Football schedule is 9 games.
3) The schedule could be: Play 9 teams 1 year and the other 9 teams the next year
OR maybe 9 teams home and away for 2 years and then the other 9 teams the next 2 years.
4) B1G Championship Game determined by 2 teams with Best Record or Highest Playoff Rankings or whatever
5) No Divisions
6) Play EVERYBODY 2 times every 4 years
7) None of the squabbling and crying over who gets to be in what Division and who gets the Harder or Easier schedule BS
8) ONE CONFERENCE all playing the same schedule
So... KNOWING THAT is possible... WHY would the B1G add MORE than ONE team?
Stupidity? An OCD need to have Even Numbers it doesn't need?
Why not just take the ONE TEAM with the BEST TV RATINGS...
who is also the ONLY TEAM that is DUMB ENOUGH to join the B1G for NOTHING...
after it sues its way into paying $500 Million to its current conference.
Knowing that why wouldn't the B1G just ABUSE the STUPIDITY of FSU into the next Decade and call itself the Best Conference... and still not win anything on the Field.
B1G will swoop for FSU, UNC, and Virginia and maybe Georgia Tech.
Nc and Va fit and add to the sec footprint. Nc is already a border with Tn (sec), SC (sec), Ga (sec) states. Clemson and fsu do not bring any new value to either sec footprint, media market, quality of fb. Why would sec dilute itself, with no value add ?
If four schools leave the ACC, then the PAC 2 and what is left of the ACC should merge to create the Coast to Coast Conference.
OSU and WSU probably add more value than some G5 schools
"LET'S MERGE!" is every dying Conference's Last Words (see Pac12 and BigEast)
@EyeOfTheWatcher if the 3 ACC schools leave for the B1G and SEC, then 4 more will leave for the Big 12 & it won't be the PAC schools or SMU. If Fox/CBS or ESPN pluck the 4 biggest TV friendly schools out of the ACC, why would they put much money into what is remaining?
NC State is not leaving the conference. Not after what I see where they voted to let SMU, Cal and Stanford in. I think they did this knowing that FSU, Miami and Clemson would leave... go through the song and dance and negotiate a buyout and add another Florida team and then they are going to be one of the better teams along with Louisville to make the CFP and they can then get the new uneven revenue distribution in their favour. NC State has been co-opted by ESPN and now they and other ACC officials are saying that they know they cannot compete with the SEC but they will destroy FSU and Miami's value in order to maintain some weird collectivist model while Notre Dame gets to have it's cake and eat it also. The way the new ND AD is talking I think he sees the writing on the wall also and they may partner with FSU to go to the B1G
The reason the ACC is going to stick around: unlike the Pac-12, the ACC has a media deal. And in fact, this media deal pays each school more than the Big 12 deal.
While the top of the ACC can make more money elsewhere, there’s no chance that the academic-focused basketball schools make more money in another conference.
Unless ESPN exercises their opt out for 2027 and walks away altogether
Doubtful that ESPN walks away. They still need content on their networks. A repleted ACC still has some value and already has their tv deal. Backfill to keep it above the 15 teams and carry on much like the Big12.
I agree. The ACC has that media contract and strength of numbers. Besides, FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC, UVA, and ND are probably the only ACC schools who have substantial clout, pretty much everyone else has to stay put. If anything, the B1G and SEC would just pick off the top 4-6 schools, and then the ACC would steal Tulane, Memphis, USF, etc to backfill their ranks.
@@Interestingenough4 def not uva
Wish FSU would join SEC so they’d stop being such cry babies
But the Acc has twice as many national championships as the Big 10 or Big 12 over the last 23 years.
Not sure the P2 is going to be as big of a deal as the networks want. Espn is desperate for money. When the amount of people watching drops, not sure how the sponsors will feel. The Acc and Big 12 should break away and do their own thing.
If the Acc teams refuse to leave the Acc in my mind it kills the P2 idea. So much of the country would not be invested in the P2 plans they would have to lose Viewership. Would be great to see it all blowup in the Sec, Big 10 and ESPN face. The Acc has a lot of power if they stick together. The Acc had bad leadership though. With the population of the Acc states, they can get what they want, just break away and start their own think. There are plenty of networks, get away from Espn.
@@garlandalmarode6396 The Big 4 (ABC, CBS, NBC & Fox) are all apart of this. Where exactly do you think the ACC can go to "do their own thing"? And what is this "own thing" they would be doing once they got there?
I understand the money that comes with playing in the SEC/BIG but why do we keep acting like all the programs in those conferences are top tier. Once you get past the top 4 schools the rest of these conferences are mediocre. We’re talking about the NWs and Vandy’s. No offense but I think we’re giving too much credit to these conferences just for having two dominant programs.
Good football is not the only thing that makes a power conference, a power conference. Everybody has a role to play for this thing (a conference) to work properly. Also in Vandy & Northwestern's case being there from Day 1 is big help too. Bet Tulane and UChicago wish they had of stayed in the fold.
You guys sound like some kids trading Pokémon cards.
You’re basing your opinion on normal bias bs. Bro Lundy is not the best LB, just believing all the crap you see people post. Kalen Deloach and Tatum Bethune are, with Deloach being the best of them. FSU is basically only losing Verse on defense for this game and that void will be filled with Darrell Jackson. Still loaded at RB and Receiver with Hykeem and Spann, if Brock Glenn plays ok then its a game bub.
Toefili is out. Renardo Green, Jarian Jones and Akeem Dent have opted out. There's still a good roster there though.
Hoping for a great game without injuries for both teams. Go Dawgs!
You know, Depressed Ginger, I think you hit the nail right on the head when you said that college football is gonna look a lot different in 2030. Here's a question for you: Suppose you have a single 64-team conference in the Power 5, and a single 64-team conference in the Group of 5 (as Chip Kelly is advocating for). What teams would you put in each conference? I'd be very interested in seeing you do a video about that. In the meantime, keep up the good work. Hope to hear from you soon.
How is it Harbaugh is allowed to coach during the conference championship game and the playoffs in between 2 suspensions for the same infraction? That just seems sketchy. Your suspended 3 games and your going to face a suspension next year too but you won't be suspended during the playoffs in between? Does that not just seem sketchy as hell?
@@joe_zeay He talked about Harbaugh in the video. I was responding to the video.
There are several arguments, not just diluting the conference.
UNC isn’t one of the best 4 teams so we won’t loose the best 4.
College football was better 50 years ago.
Look, the ACC could get 100 million this second from FSU to get free. The ACC won't ever settle for that amount. If FSU wins their claims and nullify the exit fee and the GoR as excessively punative (nullification is the ONLY route, there is no reduction) then FSU probably wouldn't settle for that much, they'd aim for a lesser amount.
Look, you don't know what you're talking about homeboy.
@@atkkeqnfr No, that's pretty much what any decision maker will tell you if you could have their honest answer. I'm guessing you don't actually know what I said... but I guess you just may not know what YOU'RE talking about. Reading is fundamental.
The GOR isn't a damage much less punitive. The terms of the GOR are either against public policy or not. The terms have either been breached or not.
Imagine a landowner suing to terminate a lease early just because they really want the property back and will suffer some harm otherwise. If the tenant wants to keep the property for the lease term, does it really matter how much harm the landlord claims or even proves?
@@tarheel7406 FSU's legal argument is that the GoR represents/is a liquidated damages clause (and also that the exit fee is as well). A court finding that puts it in jeopardy. In NC and FL such clauses must be one of two things... or they aren't upheld.
1. They must represent something in the vicinity of actual damages at the time the contract is signed.
2. Exceptions are made if they represent somthing akin to the actual damages at the time the contract is breached, even if they were excessive at the time the contract is signed.
To quote a legal dictionary:
"The sum must be proportionate and must not be excessive." Proportionate is defined as acutal damages in a variety of places.
Judge Cooper (an FSU alum btw) has been given the case. It will be up to him whether he accepts that Florida is the proper venue for FSU's substantive lawsuit or if the ACC's declaratory action preemption will determine venue.
Is an exit fee liquidated damages? I suspect a court will find that it is. Is it excessive? I have no idea. It is a seperate agreement from the GoR though. It is a penalty for leaving the conference, not the GoR. It is a more established practice in any case. The GoR, used in this way, has never really been challenged. BTW, it might not be here either. The ACC could settle before any potential damage is done to the concept.
I've always said, and this is what the restraint of trade claim is about, in part, the ACC will not be able to keep FSU's rights. At least not for any substantial time frame. This is my opinion, of course, but it just wouldn't be good public policy to lock universities into these agreements. Courts will determine how much money it should cost to leave. There are a lot of variables there. ESPN suing the ACC, making legal demands for refunds, or forcing a renegotiation for example. It isn't impossible that the ACC sees substantial damages from FSU leaving (and has the legal right to pass those on to FSU).
Your analogy doesn't quite work. FSU isn't claiming really anything at all that fits into it. FSU may be suing for that reason, but it really doesn't resemble the claims. FSU cannot tell a court that they can do better elsewhere and they aren't telling a court that the ACC didn't do as good a job as the SEC. I've heard an actual attorney say that so clearly he didn't read or couldn't understand the complaints.
FSU is arguing that the ACC's imcompetence has risen to an unacceptable level and/or that they are purposely acting in a way that is not in the best interests of FSU. It doesn't actually matter that it may benefit other contracted parties. They must act in a way that benefits each contracted party.
They are not required to have been successful in representing FSU's interests though, they aren't even required to have done their best. They are required to give the appearance they had FSU's interests in mind. If the ACC can show emails where they made similar arguments with ESPN that would be sufficient to defeat the claim. FSU must show: 1. Gross negligence or 2. Intentional harm. These are hard standards to meet. I don't find the claims laughable or absurd though. They are pretty normal in these types of disputes.
To bring this back to your analogy... the farmer that leased the field is actively damaging it or has done damage to it, he is not using it in a reasonable way or as the owner expected when it was leased to the farmer. These are absolutely ways to sue to break the lease, though they would actually be in a contract normally, they would not have to be.
Another way the analogy doesn't work is FSU is the farmer and has agreed to deliver all his produce to a co-op but the ACC isn't negotiating at all on prices (according to the claims, again they just need to demonstrate an attempt) and is threatening that the market to which the co-op sells will stop accepting any produce if the farmer doesn't agree to 9 more years at cost... but the market isn't even required to accept the nine more years, only that the farmer sign on to the co-op for that time.
FSU is required to perform for 13 years though, not to lease a part of its property. Property leases are another area that have very different areas of law controlling them, and fairly standard contracts and accepted clauses that really protect the parties much better. It can't work as an analogy very well.
This is a very novel area of law where the crafters have thought that keeping it simple with draconian penalties to exit should keep it from having loopholes but basically allow any behavior to fly. I really don't think courts will look favorably on it.
Boston College needs to go back to the Big East but they left on bad terms so that ain't happening.
Actually, their best course is to drop football and spend the money on hockey. Build the fanciest hockey arena in all of college and be the king of the ice.
@@505premoto get rid of football ?? Doug Flutie would be outraged 🤨🤣🤣
@@505premoto Their program was better in the Big East . You can’t recruit against all those other schools who are in warmer climates when you have cold snowy winters .
The (new) Big East isn't in the major football business.....remember what happened the last time? There is no going back regardless.
WHAT IS HAPPENING
ACC to ADD Tulane, So Florida, Memphis , UCONN and Rice
I would add UCF.
Why?
And they would all decline because joining a dead conference isn't a smart idea.
South Carolina and Florida will not allow the SEC to add Clemson and FSU.
Totally agree. Don’t you remember when Texas A&M blocked Texas from joining? Kept them right out, they did.
South Carolina & Florida will not say anything about Clemson & FSU (nor Miami) joining the SEC. They will shut their mouths after they see how much new money rolls in just like Texas A&M did after UT/OU announcement.
Correction to the previous post the ACC most definitely does not make more money per school than the Big 12. With that said the difference is not big enough to entice Florida State. And having dealt with one prima donna school already I'm not sure I would want another.
Yes the Acc does. Fsu is desperate because they are paying so many football coaches they ve fired.
@@garlandalmarode6396 FSU would only be paying Taggart for one more month and isn't paying anyone else, goober. FSU didn't fire Fisher. Quit spreading false information just because the ACC is a joke once FSU is gone.
@@garlandalmarode6396lol read a book 😂
All you have to do is take the pac 2 at add Stanford and Cal the bottom feeders of the ACC the best of the mountain west and a couple Texas schools and you have another powerful 4 conference Tulane and may another school from that conference, Mid-America conference and you’re all good
Depressed Ginger we won't know until tonight whose showing up for my Dawgs.
We'll get answers tonight and the point spread will probably move afterwards.
Regarding the spread; they know something you don't. They have access to info we don't.
Where would they go? Big 12, Big sky conf.?
When are you going to finish the 133 team playoff bracket? You started it like 2 weeks ago, did 1 video and haven't made anymore since
Please do a video about why the twin towers were so loved around the world 🌎. Thanks bro
They lost their top 3 Wr's, top 2 Dlineman, top LB. Top RB's, ect.
Big XII wants YOU ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK
Are you saying Miami does nothing/goes nowhere?
All 3 should go independent like Notre Dame.
I heard the ncaa is targeting mar./April for n.o.a. to michigan
If FSU already has 3 schools on board to leave by paying $100 million then they only need 5 more to dissolve the conference and leave without paying fees, yeah?
What are the top 9 schools in the ACC in terms of football value?
In My Opinion: FSU, Clemson, Duke And Virginia Will Join The SEC
North Carolina And Virginia Tech Will Join The Big 10
Your reasoning? The SEC takes DUKE sans UNC?
Hahaha, you’re wrong but your opinion is as good or better than some others. Happy New Year!
"major scandal"...LOL
What happens to Duke...Could UNC vs Duke be done?
No, it's the top rivalry in college basketball
UNC won't leave without Duke
UNC and Virginia are gone
UNC will be gone. UVA is legally bound to VTech so a conference would have to want both schools. Two shares is a lot of money for 2 teams with fans that don’t watch football
@@Doc_Boots Fans don’t want or watch UNC football either. And North Carolina is not a good college football market. No one in NC cares about it and it shows. Did you look up where UNC is ranked in viewership? Dreadful, isn’t it? Embarrassing, really, for a school that tries to brag about how important they are. They aren’t.
B1G goes to 24 teams with ND, FSU, Miami, Stanford, Cal, and either GA Tech or Clemson
SEC goes to 20 teams with NC, NC ST, VA, VA Tech
Big XII gets pick of the rest…either goes to 20 or could very well go to 24. I can see this lineup. Could do either 2 divisions or 6 regional pods
BIG XII WEST
BYU
AZ
AZ ST
UTAH
HOUSTON
BAYLOR
TCU
TEXAS TECH
KSU
KU
OSU
COL
BIG XII EAST
IA ST
CINCY
LOUISVILLE
MEMPHIS
BC
SYRACUSE
WEST VIRGINIA
PITT
DUKE
UCF
GA TECH
WF
No BC, WF or Syracuse
@@Troy2023-xc1zy Why?
I think that you are close. IMO, I think that we wind up with:
B1G goes to 24 teams with ND, Miami, Stanford, Duke, and 2 of the following: UNC, UVA, Cal or GA Tech. ND is the Big Ten's "white whale" and they will add whatever schools will close that deal.
SEC goes to 20 or 24 teams with FSU, Clemson, Louisville, VA Tech plus some combo of UNC, UVA, Arizona, ASU, Baylor, OSU, Tx Tech, & TCU.
In the end, the SEC is going to be in a pickle if they don't add a "west wing" to compete with the schedule that the Big Ten is going to be able to offer to broadcasters with a coast-to-coast collection of teams.
@@Troy2023-xc1zy, sadly no unless the SEC & Big Ten go up to 28 to 32 team conferences. No team has gotten into the Big Ten w/o being an AAU member (& even ND has now joined the AAU). Plus the Big Ten seems committed to expanding into new lucrative broadcast markets with all of the additions that they have made all the way back to adding Penn State. WF "may" make the cut if the SEC needs to add a lot of teams to get up to 24 or 26 teams, but there are a LOT of good football schools the SEC could add before they get to Wake Forest...
@@williamgarry2635 Big XII isn’t getting raided. Greg Sankey has already said they are staying at 16 if they can’t get NC/VA. SEC caps at 20. The teams I listed in 2 divisions but also in pods of 4 schools all geographically related. This would be huge for basketball as well. Only question is GA Tech as B1G may take them over Clemson which we would take instead
You do realize the GOR ends in 2027, not 2036, as ESPN has not yet picked up the option until 2036? Also, the ACC commissioner unilaterally gave ESPN an extension for them to make the decision, from 2021 to 2025, without asking ACC member schools? That violates ACC constitution. FSU has a valid argument if you look at it fairly.
UNC is the big prize the SEC and BIG 10 want
Not buying it. unc-CHeat is garbage in football and gets low TV ratings for football. This is about football, not basketball "brand" schools. If basketball brands were so coveted, then why does no one want Kansas or Duke?
Nobody cares about UNC. Basketball school in a basketball conference.
Some prize. Tell me more about the National Championships their football team won. How many did you say? How many top 5 finishes? How many top 10 finishes? Years ranked? Heisman Trophy winners? And, here’s the really important question - how much money did they generate for their conference? Would they MAKE money for another conference or LOSE money and be a welfare case? Conferences derive 80% of their revenue from football. So, the strength of the football program is the most important factor. Please do expound on UNC’s performance in that regard.
UNC leaves.....ACC is doomed
No offense but who wants NC State they ain’t been great in Football or Basketball in the last few years
NC State has been consistently good recently -- finished top 25 for the last 4 years and one of only like five D1 programs with at least 8 wins for the last 4 years. NC State gets better TV ratings in football than UNC, and has a better football program than UNC for the last 10-15 years.
Who brings you in out of the rain?
You clearly haven’t seen the tv ratings. Nc state has a decent sports program with a big fan base.