MARSHALL VALVESTATE! Still cool in 2021???
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2021
- German producer Kristian Kohle (Aborted, Powerwolf, Hämatom, Van Canto, Eskimo Callboy, Sinister) pulls out the amp of his teenage years to find out if the MARSHALL VALVESTATE still sounds brutal and sick In 2021!
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Valvestate! Love or hate? Let me know!
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While I’ve owned JCM 800’s, 5150’s, and Rectifiers, the Marshall 8100 has a special place in my heart and was my go-to amp for a number of years. I still miss it. I actually use the Master Effects Martyr pedal now, which is the preamp of the 8100 in a box with impulses and sounds sick.
it's the only Marshall that I try and is really good, I enjoy a lot play with Valvestate!
Wow that's awesome to hear these side by side
Chuck Schuldiner used it, hating this amp is a crime
+1
Haha! He actually got some great tones out of it.
@@KohleAudioKult Tones on Individual Thought Patterns and The Sound of Perseverance have a special place in my heart.
@@Admiral_Bongo it was on Individual really the Valvestate or Randall? I know that JCM 800 was in Scream Bloody Gore
@@szveszs Yeah, Individual was Valvestate. Randall was mixed with JCM800 on Spiritual Healing and the first 2 were JCM only.
I actually love the sound of the valvestate. super aggressive sounding
Tighter. Less high sizzle. Sounds like it's already been mixed in post, without doing post production. Tubes sound less focused.
Appreciated seeing how you got usable tones from an amp that’s not “top tier”. Maybe more videos like this?
absolutely!
I second this, expanding also on things like bass and drums as well.
@CLINT that's how it goes lol so start buying the gear you want before the price jacks lol
@@KohleAudioKult does it have an fx loop?
@CLINT I'm sorry!
i've been using a valvestate all my life. I've gotten so many different types of tones out it. though i recognize it's not tube amp, it's still good for what it is
It has a tube-based preamp with single 12AX7 and solid state power amp section.
It’s a good amp period. All that matters is that you like it, tube or not, expensive or not
With just a simple EQ pedal, I feel like the Valvestate would stomp a lot of tube amps in a blind sound test. Definitely gonna be looking for one myself!
It won't sound better than a tube amp. It sounds more like a Boss Death metal pedal.
Love it. Especially for low tunings. Super tight and aggressive. Just keep the treble below 9.
Works great as a power amp as well.
And the spring reverb is also really good. If it works.
I love the way you describe tones man. It’s like listening to a scotch whiskey blend master describe the flavors of the alcohol. It makes me think about it differently. A voice to the subconscious. Cheers man!
Thanks man!❤️
Wait till you hear me talking about beer 🤪🍺
Your amp playthrough videos are SO good. Another great one. Thanks, Kohle!
Cool! I really like how when you blend the the Marshall in, the pick attack comes out a bit more, but in a natural way. 🤩
The valvestate price just shot up lol. The used market prices have been going up a lot lately. I'm glad I got my Marshall jvm410 when I did.
I'm actually selling a 410 at the moment. Never really got into that amp.
Too much stuff done ok but not great it seemed.
@@KohleAudioKult really? I love mine. I think it's brutal like arch enemy lol
@@KohleAudioKult you try it with different speakers? Lol I use a homemade 2×12 I built with pine and put wgs speakers in it. Also the jvm sounds like another video lol
How much do they sell for? I think i paid 120€ for my 1989 8100 Head in 2006
really, I've seen some locally listed for 200 bucks
The blended sound of a tube amp + the valvestate sounds really good to me. Nice!
As always - interesting, unique and informative. My absolutely favourite producer-youtuber 👍
I tried someone’s Valvestate a few years ago. You can definitely dial in some good tones. Use your ears and not your eyes when adjusting the dials.
I have a valvestate and I absolutely love that amp. Sounds incredible with a Gibson Les Paul
Great Vid - I appreciate your efforts to describe in detail, the nuances of the distortion characteristics with different settings. One of the big challenges of getting someone elses help with dstortion tweaking is the verbal communication of the tonal goal vs current tone being achieved.
Kohle, DO NOT lose the squeeky chair! It's hilarious!
Also Valvestate prices go up in 3... 2... 1...
Damn! I noticed it while I was filming. Haha!
Ive got an old 40w Combo that broke down on me like 3 times, had to replace the knobs too as they started making strange noises 😂 do you want it? 😂
Glad I just got the head yesterday for $180!
And he unlocks greatness again! This is something I've been doing recently as well, mixing a tube amp with an actual distortion before the preamp such as a MetalZone and it sounds great to my ears! Set the Metal Zone level as your wet/dry mix and crank it up! You rock man
When you tweaked the EQ, you picked EXACTLY the settings I use on my Valvestate.
My EQ taste: validated!
i felt flattered when he position the contour knob where i have it, lol
Great video! Very interesting and useful! Definitely gonna get a valvestate now! Love the sound of it mixed with the tube amp.
I’ve owned one of these heads and cabinets since they were new in the late 90s. Still works.
Its seems like there is a lot of gear (not just guitar gear) that people just looked passed and missed out on experimenting and getting good sounds. I'm honestly impressed with this one.
This one was my first amp with more than one channel back in the 90's. Great video Christian!
Im a 47 yr old guitar player and I still own my early 91-92 vs100 head and cab!! Still use it and still get comments about my tone! I will never get rid of this its been gigged and thrown around its partied for the last 30+ yrs and is still rocking!!!🤘😝🤘
Thank you for this video. Old amps like this deserve some attention !
I've got a valvestate 100w 12" combo for 20 years now, I always tought it was sounding special, and I spent hours to make it sound correct. Even if i've switched on Orange Dark Terror, I never sold my valvestate, it's my weirdy baby ;)
Sounds so good mixed. The tube amp on its own sounded like there was a blanket over the speakers
I've been blending tube and SS amps lately. Best of both worlds. My Randall RG100 has the conture knob... really helps shape the tone. Great demo brother 🤘
The valve State 8280 has got a contour knob as well.
Ok! Jetzt dass selbe mitt dem Peavey Bandit Transtube, red or grey stripe ;)
Klasse video
My first amp 🙌🏼 still used, still slays, still appreciated in a collection of mesas, framus and oranges 🔥
Love your work dude, respect!
Nice video! I've been preaching for years that these are absolutely usable amps and even great for the money.
Many people badmouth them because they don't manage to make use of that contour control.
My mom got me this amp in the late 90’s as a Christmas gift. I’ve used it on all sorts of music. It takes pedals well, has a great clean tone, and the drive section is versatile. In the mid 2000’s I had it modded by a local tech to reduce the highs and boost the mids a bit. It really helped but it was still a great amp before the mod. The mod if anything made it more versatile.
Man you can make any amplifier sound awesome!! Horns up dude 🤘
The secret to Valvestate Marshall amps, are cranking the effect loop knob all the way between 3 - 5 o'clock to get the most from the preamp tube!
Thank me later!
P.S. All those 80's metal hits..... Solid State Amp
Great vid!I played the 2x12 combo, 8240 for several ears in the 2000’s and that thing would crush. The effects loop was a boost to.
"several ears". That sounds like an experience, heheh. That was what it was about these days.
This was my first amp ever. I've recently been thinking about getting one again. Good timing.
Have to thank you for this instructive video. I bought a VS102R in 1999, but only since last year I started to dedicate myself seriously in learning to play guitar. No matter how I tweaked the EQ I never liked the sound of the OD channels, so I only used the clear channel with a boss metal core. But searching for tones online I ended up in this video and gave a try to your settings at 9:40, and DAMN! 😀in all these years was the first time I started to like the OD2 channel. Thank you very much for your work.
That blended sounds really good 👍🏻
Was my first amp as well! Love your content
After too many years in storage, I recently took my ‘91 8280 bi chorus combo out of the flight case again. Time had its effect on the pots so had to replace all of them, but what an amazing amp this still is today! This one will never leave my studio.
I had the 3210 Lead 100 Mosfet. That was a pretty decent amp when i was younger and playing thrash. I never had the chance to try a valvestate. I am still waiting for my DV-77 speaker I have had on order for a long time now. I have you IR pack and it kicks ass.
This was a pretty validating video! My current project involves me setting up tone-shaping transistor preamp pedals, to put them into tube power amps
I get the flexibility of using whatever preamps I want, but I don't have to deal with the harsh fizz that's inherent in transistor power amps.
I'm curious why so many people don't bring the gain down on the amp though! I feel like taking away some of the amp gain removes a lot of fizz, and when the amp distorts an already lightly distorted sound, you still get the extra sustain and gain
still have one of these sitting in my room, needs some repair work but i honestly love it
Mine also needed some repair but I got it to a local amp builder and he got it right (some bad capacitors and loose solder joints) but not I have it going and already took it to my first gig
On the VS100, I always prefer the OD1 which sounds a lot more like a traditional Marshall amp. You can get great sounds out of it. The VS65 is actually very good as well, especially after a speaker change. The Contour Knob has to be dealt with very carefully, as it contributes to a very scooped, gainy and fizzy sound when turned clockwise.
The vs plus tube power amp sounds amazing. I liked that combo the best
Great video!
I liked the slaving into the Engl output stage.
This is the the VS100 (2nd generation Valvestate series), correct?
IMHO the original Valvestate amps like the 8100 (100V) or 8080 (80V) sound better than later Valvestate amp generations.
I like the VS100 (2nd gen) more than the 8100. It's a bit warmer and less fizzy imo.
ahh the memories.. was the first amp i ever played through at age 12. Kudos!
Wow, impressive. I have the same VS8100, 10 years, 100 gigs, in a car wreck, few minor repairs- still kickin ass
Ha! I got a Valvestate 8100 literally last week. Plenty of gain on it so no reason for a TS. With an eq pedal going into the preamp you can take out the hi fizz and boost the mids. Awesome amp. Super tight and choppy.
Great video as always 🤘💀🤘
I love how I spent a lot of time trying to get that 90s sound outta my tube amps only to realize as I got older that a lot and I mean ALOT of the bands from the 90s and 2000s where running solid state amps
Good demo!
This was my amp in the 90s. Cool to see it revisited
The clean channel actually sounds good especially cranked
Sounds great blended with the tube amp
I love using my 31-band DBX equalizer in the loops of my amps. Ultimate tweakability of problem frequencies (i.e. the VS' "hissing" high end). The Valvestate is monstrous in conjunction with other more mid-focused amps. Great video!
Exactly !!! Eq a little before the preamp or in the fx loop. Why people dont do that ?!🤔 It has gigantic effect on the tone
@@jorrickthole6505 Fully agree with ya, my Bro put a Behringer ADI21 in the fx loop of his VS65R and it was brütal as fuck!!
@@danmaycock9238 Awesome experiment !
@@jorrickthole6505 suuuuuurrrrre was :D
Only the 8100 is real. And it's one of my favorite amps to record bar none, but they're fucking hell to try using live lol
You could use an 8200 live, as rare as they are. Its only difference is the power amp wattage, unlike the 2nd gen Valvestates. I can't believe people still claim 8100 and VS100 to be the same amp, despite all the preamp schematic differences.
@@Admiral_Bongo I have the 8100 and 8200. I love the flexibility of the 8200 much more and the on board chorus is amazing! The 8200 can run 2 4x12 cabs in stereo and with the chorus it is a wall of sound! Nasty amp and was highly underrated. I love my 8100 too but the 8200 holds a special place in my heart! And you can't beat all the options it has!
I also had the 8100, made in Britain even I think
Just bought a vs100 head and matching cab that had 1 owner and had played it for around an hour .the tones bring back so many memories and with a few pedals before it you can get any tone you want
Well, that's how you make a great video about valvestate! :) I have 6505 but still want to get one of these, exactly as you said -> just to add some interesting mojo to my mixes. Thanks for what you do Kohle. Cheers from Czechia
I still have a 8200 head on my bench where only one output side is working properly. But that thing is already crazy loud and pretty brutal with a TS in front, can't wait to finally fix it and plug it into my 4x12 for the full 200W+ Chorus!!
WoW! The video I was looking for! I have the exact same amp and pickups. I don't like my tone, and this guy put words on what I hear, explains in detail why it is, and he shows how to actually improve things. I've been searching a heavy metal distortion pedal to put in front, but I didn't know what to get since I didn't know exactly where I'm at. Most useful video ever for this situation! Thank you!
Great to hear that! Thanks a lot!
@@KohleAudioKult Thanks for your unexpected quick answer! Would you have a Heavy Metal pedal to suggest for good bottom punch and rather defined rounded distortion ( no fizz/fuzz). I like to chugg back guitar I am not a lead. I like Metallica MoP era. Tanks!
i got the valvestate vs100, and it sounds sooo fffff awesome, i love it. no effects, just the cable in and youre fine. but i guess that the 4 speakers play a big part in the sound i get
I sold my Blackstar HT club 40 to get an 8100 earlier this year and I absolutely love the Valvestate. I use a 31 band eq and an Aphex 104 type C2 in the fx loop and I'm done chasing tones by now.
The Valvestate 100 watt head was my first "real" amp back in the early 90s. I bought a full size 1960A Marshall cab to use with it rather than the Valvestate one. After a while though I wanted something similar but with more gain and having tubes. The answer wasn't in the Marshall amps available at the time so I turned to the Peavey 5150. That did the trick. :)
That sound with no mids totally takes me back to my teenage times.
For my friends it was the next best thing for getting a real tube amp (as a bass player a didn't really look at valvestate amps).
But in today's time you get some very affordable tube amps or even transistor based/modeling amps sounding a lot better than this.
And for mixing it in in parallel I think it's overkill. For getting some dirt I would rather use some HM2ish or fuzzy pedal in a parallel signal path.
Never the less a great video Kohle. BTW I hope the rain or the Beerbach (just noticed how the name sounds in english...lol) didn't flood you studio.
Love my VS100! Got it last year!
Man, that valvestate sounded awesome!
I Love it! The Marshall Valvestate vs100/8100 is Legendary.
i have a JMP-1 with a Valvestate power amp, couldn't afford a tube power amp in the mid 90s when I bought them but I'm looking into getting a used 9100, 9200 or other brand tube amp and your comparison convinced me to look further into this.
My 8100 was the first half stack I bought back in 1995 since everything else halfway decent was way out of my price range, and I still have it. Learning that Chuck Schuldiner used it, and that it was widely used in Scott Burns' productions at Morrisound Studios, was probably the reason I hung onto it for so long. It can definitely sound good though.
I really enjoy the valvestate sound. It's kinda nasty and cold and dirty all good things to me. I'm a tube guy like most of us but have always dug what the Valvestate and solid state Randall heads have given us over the years.
Audiority makes a great plugin version of the Valvestate with some boost and pre-EQ stuff as well as a post EQ. Get anything from gross doomish things to thrash and beyond without setting up a huge virtual pedalboard.
Great demo as always! That DMoll poweramp really helped warm up this amp.
edit: Ah good. You mentioned the Audiority vs8100 haha.
Peace 🎸💀🍻
Does the contour knob have the same effect on a Marshall MG100HDFX? Nice video btw!
Prong's Cleansing album made a HUGE difference for me back in the day. As did any Death album. It was also very cool hearing them absolutely kill on gear that I could actually afford. Great tones man. I appreciate this experiment. People need not get so hung up on gear. Who cares what the amp costs. If it makes YOUR sound, then it's worth everything.
Wayne STATIC of Static X also loved and used a valvestate and he was a huge prong fan 🤘🤘
Had the combo for the longest time. I think it lasted several moves through several cities before it finally blew. But the thing sounded great for tracking. The midrange was full and crunchy
I have a Valvestate VS30R which has no actual valve, and a real spring reverb, I LOVE IT! such a fun practice amp. I made it a head and play it through a 2x12! Sounds amazing honestly
I’ve got the latest fender and Marshall amps. And one day I found a valvestate 2000 100 at a garage sale down the road, in immaculate condition. Since then i haven’t used my new Marshall or fender amps. The valvestate is perfect for playing metal, thrash
Love them! I had the 2 x 12 combo with stereo chorus. 40 or 80 watts, I don't remember. I sold it and have regretted it ever since!
I used to own a 8100 head and I loved it. Although I find that using a TS to boost it sounds like the drive from the pedal and the drive from the amp don't blend. What about an MXR Micro Amp or Line Driver to boost the front end, something that doesn't add any drive? I remember playing an Epiphone Explorer with the passive stock pickups through mine and I never needed anything to boost it when in OD2 mode. Thoughts?
Very good amp with the right settings
I found a Marshall Valvestate and I absolutely LOVE IT , it has amazing Sound and goes great with my Gibson Les Paul .
Adding the valvestate definitely made that guitar track sound more exciting and alive!
I had the 8080 combo as my first proper amp. I loved it and then I was constantly having trouble with the pots. Spent more time trying to fix it than playing it. It did get through a few gigs before I flogged it cheap
Hey man, great video. Was wondering of you or someone here could explain how you connected the Valvestate into the Diezel. Id like to put my old Valvestate into a 6505+. Would I need to connect the speaker out to a Torpedo Captor or something and run from the out into the 6505's effects return? Is this the slaving technique? Sorry for my ignorance, can you explain how you blended them together? Thanks!
I found a really good tone with valvestate + BOSS DS-1. Great choice getting the amp.
Yeah this sounds great, I have a bi chorus 8200 and it sounds awesome its a little bit rarer than the 8100 but I think it has a really interesting tone that I can't seem to get on the 8100. Also it has a built in spring reverb and has a stereo chorus which sounds beautiful. Great video
Best of both worlds! 🤘🏽🤘🏽
I had this amp, I replaced the 12ax7 every 3 months and it sounded just fine. Especially before a show. It sounded as good as the rest every time.
I had one in the 90s and I loved it. My then bandmates made me sell it for a VHT Pitbull head (awesome amp) but sometimes I missed that old valvestate.
I had a VS100 halfstack myself in the late nineties. It was one of my first real amps from smaller combos. I never could get what I wanted out of it though, but that was basically because I wanted a JCM800 and couldn't afford it. There a cool part of Marshall history though and the tones you're getting blending it Kristian are some solid tones.
Great video (as always). I was considering getting one of these for a while. For a high watt Marshall head, they are cheap to buy. Don't think I could justify one just for that authentic 90s revival having worked so hard to get a good tube tone, but it's really useful to have the comparison laid down by the consummate professional. If I feel the need for the 90s sound, I've still the metal zone pedal, which was my first and only pedal for ages. 🤣
Thanks! Metal Zone into a tube power amp can also give you some nice and scooped 90s tones.
The VS for having a valve still dominates it's clipping texture and EQ range as a solid-state amp. I remember Wayne Static saying what made these amps great is if one blew out they could walk into any guitar store anywhere and replace it.
I'm the oddball in that I'm a sweep and shred player *and* I went to college for electrical/electronics engineering, *and I prefer solid-state.* It's for the same reasons Dimebag did, in your face raunch, sleaze and burn the house down grind.
I have 2 reputable all tube heads, but they leave much to be desired in the search for a pedal to push the valves into saturation and the dirty channel into hard clipping. They're not boutique amps, so they are what they are.
*You also called it in sound. My rhythm is deeply scooped with insane bass chunking, but for shredding solos and sweeps, I'll likely need to step into a midrange dominant tone at least 1/2 the time.*
Valvestate AND Fernandes guitars. An absolute winning combination. I have a first edition Valvestate 8100 and 2 Fernandes guitars they sound incredible together.
Great video 👍
@@nexuspolaris2419 I love my Valvestate and will never sell, trade or get rid of it...EVER!!
Hope you get to purchase one soon Nexus 👍
Killer mix! Makes you think about tone differently! MOJO!
Thanks! That’s the idea. Good to hear it works!
Love the shirt
valvestate with maxon is great sounding unit. I Love it !!!!
I played Valvestates exclusively from when I started playing in 2003 until I finally got my JVM 2 years ago. I have the 8100 and the VS100. I personally live them. I even did a mix of my JVM and 8100 on my bands newest EP.
Which did you prefer? 8100 or vs100?
I had the valvestate 100 back in the late 90's .. now im playing a revv 100p mk3 generator. Love the more modern tones
Great vid
I still love my Bi-Chorus 200 (8280) 2x12 combo, I bought new in 1995/96. I would plug into a 4x12 cabinet (L & R separated) and run a 3/4 stack live. It has 160 watts stereo and the chorus is awesome. Yes, I run my Contour at 2 o'clock, but I'm old school.
How do you wire it up for the Valvestate preamp in to the Diezel power amp? It sounds really fucking awesome both on it's own and with the Diezel!
I had an AVT50 head back in 05 and it was pretty awesome. Got a lot of hate for it back in the day but it sounded pretty good with a good head. I wish prices would come down on these guys.