The Drowned Ancient Civilization Beneath The Black Sea | Dark Secrets of the Black Sea | Odyssey
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- Опубліковано 29 гру 2022
- Does the Black Sea hide the dark secrets of a long-lost ancient civilization? An international group of experts examine the evidence for this possible bronze age civilisation and more in the depths of this mysterious sea.
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At 29:08 You show a wigwam alongside a modern "teepee burner". The latter is a very large structure used to burn off scrap wood at pulp mills in the late 20th century. Not a dwelling !
Love the documentary itself, but please get a better closed captioner. Then you'll have a subscriber.
Should History Hit and Odyssey really be offering the babbling of young earth creationist James Nienhuis? Come on, guys, let's stick to science, please.
@@bjdefilippo447 This is the original video from elsewhere 2 yrs ago. They might have it. ua-cam.com/video/IkevA5pD0lE/v-deo.html
Do you have a more recent related content, if so, please advise.
Thank you,
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian
I think why we can't find alot of old civilizations older than 10000+ because the settlements were so close to sea level .
True
Archaeologists still find partly or entirely
underwater stone buildings, etc. around
the world.
@@tymanung6382 True
That would make sense. Even now I think it's something like 40% of the world's population (or 40% of cities, sorry I can't remember which offhand) live near or on the coast, and those that aren't are most often by rivers and lakes for easy access to water, fishing, trade, transport and tourism.
@@PoppyFlux I think the proportion is well above that.
If sea levels rose thousands of years ago, and people have always lived closed to bodies of waters, I think is simply natural to believe we could find towns or even cities submerged in many parts of the world.
But we don't. Thats the kicker. 90 percent of the worlds population always lived in coastal cities. There would be so many more than what we have found
It's been estimated by scientists that the ocean levels were up to 400 feet lower than today. 400 FEET !!! Just imagine what's to be found!!
@@sloppyfloppy79 We don’t?!
Maybe you didn’t find any,but there is enough evidence of huge cities now submerged all along the ancient coast line.
The water level rose about 400 feet after the cataclysm
Sloppy Floppy, There are many civilizations found underwater, there is a large city underwater off the coast of India.
Most of the cities and communities lost under the rising waters are covered by sand and/or marine life growth.
99% will never be uncovered, unfortunately.
@@joesands8860 There’s also a huge city with pyramids north of Cuba in a depth of ~ 750m,
and in the mediterranean sea there are about ~ 50 cities found by scanning the sea floor
I began working in metal at about seven or eight, casting lead and forging it, working into copper and alloys by ten. One thing I noted was I constantly recovered the metal I'd used earlier, for ever more expansive extensive experiments and projects. I would suggest one possibility regarding the plethora of stone tools versus the paucity of metal could well be the fact the metal tools could be recovered when worn, by re-melting, casting and forging, while stone tools, worn beyond the design use would be re-purposed when worn, and discarded when no longer seen as useful. I've explored substantially, around the world, living in Spain a couple years and Italy a couple and exploring the Med as a child, intrigued by the remnants of the civilizations left behind. I've worked in metal close to sixty years, I believe because of my exposure to the Mediterranean cultures in growing up. This has been truly eye opening, I've little exposure to this Sea.
Great observation.
Imagine how little of our software tools and semi conductor tech will survive 10,000 years from now.
@@blaiseutube I wouldn't even give it 100 years. As we use more and more precious metals in electronics, the incentive to destroy them to recover those precious metals increases. Hell, people already make profitable hobbies recovering gold from electronics that are only a few years old. First generation iPhones are already becoming rare and they aren't even 20 years old.
Excellent insight. When you see how difficult it is to produce metal items from ore to finished product, and how expensive they would be, it seems beyond insane that metal was just thrown away. It's more likely to be reworked and any items that do survive were lost or sacrificial offerings.
@@blaiseutube "Imagine how little of our software tools and semi conductor tech will survive 10,000 years from now"
Depends on what you mean.
Worked silicon isn't going to just degrade on its own - it probably won't be usable, but it will still be recognisable.
@@Dover78 "As we use more and more precious metals in electronics, the incentive to destroy them to recover those precious metals increases"
We are not using more now than before - we have always used precious metals in electronics, and a lot of it is simply going into landfills and always has.
Recycling electronics is complicated and expensive well beyond the financial returns of simply mining new material from the Earth.
It won't be until those resources start running dry that the financial benefit will be seen as viable in a capital driven world.
Pastoralists, small agriculture, and fisheries: I never knew that Thrace may be a heart of ancient civilization based on shipping. Wonderful science documentary.
Please, view Ancient Thrace An Open Door to Immortality...treasures of Thracians, who were first mentioned in the Iliad of Homer as allies of Troy together with Anatolian populations. Thracian inscriptions of Samothrace are compared to Anatolian languages written in Greek characters + special letters for non-Greek sounds. Sanskrit words were found in Romanian, largely a Romance language after the Roman conquest of Dacia at 106 AD by Trajan Nerva.
In front of Constanta's well known Casino I personally dove and during 6 hours on a sunny day through huge blocks of an ancient fortress, huge blocks of fortress wall, I used an old type italian 3 bottles very big Barracuda SCUBA diving apparatus at a depth from 10 to 20 meters depth. Actually my former mentor in science of archaeology and diving Constantin Scarlat wrote a book on " The invisible shore of Black Sea" in the seventies of last century. I was impressed by the massivness of those blocks of stone, I dove along and between them along like in a maze, I think they must have been the former wall of a former port, quay or something.
Foarte tare domnul Bucur!
I've been to Constanta as well. It was a Greek city state in antiquity. You were probably diving the old Greek port, the water level was much lower all over the world two millennia ago. All ancient ports are now underwater.
@@billfrehe6620 After the Greeks it was a Roman port called Tomis. Later renamed Constantza after Emperor Constantine. I found a bunch of Constantine coins there as a kid on summer vacation in the 90’s. Bet your ass I didn’t report them.
@@Factory_Muff I need half of those coins că bidenflația mă ustură la portofel. And move fast cos I don’t have all day long ..
@@danmimis4576 You ain’t getting shit man! I-am cheltuit de mult.
Does anybody else think that one of the speakers reminds them of Dr Phil but the archaeologist version! Lol.
100%
That Nienhuis bloke had me thinking Dave Grusch lookalike.
That dog won't hunt
It’s so refreshing to see a prof who’s open to change and debate from their students
And how old do you think this is?
@@banba1eena maybe within the past 10 years?
I'd guess 1990's. I remember this show on one the of History/Discovery type channels a long time ago. Think it was the first well done, with evidence, TV documentaries on the Black Sea and the theories about it. Still a good show.
@@michellerenner6880 I would guess 80s 320 resolution
ua-cam.com/video/GKt_I-D4Q9M/v-deo.html
The Black Sea is flipping amazing.
Shells and sand dunes are great, buuuuuut......
They found a 74foot, Ancient Greek sailing vessel, sitting there on the sea bed, undisturbed for around 2,400 years!!!
Two THOUSAND four hundred YEARS 😳!!!
- and it’s down there, under the water and you can see the mast, the benches for the towers, on one wreck they found, the ROPE was still looped and hanging on its wooden peg.
The condition the boats are in, after 2,400 years is astonishing.
A team of marine archeologists found this and many other ancient vessels. Each was recorded using photogrammetry as well as complete laser scanning.
If you are interested there is/was a multi-part documentary about the expedition and their discoveries that was on UA-cam.
low oxygen count down deep in the black sea, hence good preservation
That’s so interesting. Could you tell me the name of the channel I can watch it on please?
@@marigold7198 I think it is this one. ua-cam.com/video/YwppJ48JyXg/v-deo.html
"The condition the boats are in, after 2,400 years is astonishing."
Not really.
A layer of relatively undisturbed cold saltwater is ideal for preservation.
By contrast a hectic, of disturbed space of warm freshwater would be terrible.
Perfect 👍🏿 right on time for bed 🛌
Happy new year everyone 🎉
Wow, so much to unpack in this. You could make an entire series out of this.
This is one of my favorite videos now. So good to see some new and exciting theories and archaeology. Thanks for uploading!
Not so long ago there were videos posted claiming that submerged civilizations did not exist. They tried to dismiss obviously man made structures as natural. Good to see times have changed. Very informative well made video, thank you.
Only watch reputable posts, not junk like this one.
those who make the vids haven't heard of archeology
@@PanglossDr nothing is junk. You can learn from every Point of View and every video. But I beleive the Huns are the ancestors of Summerians. There Will be evidences coming up
If your evidence upsets the status quo or rather what they want us to believe you're findings will either be berried and discredited... The experts don't like to be proven wrong and many will go to great lengths to ensure that doesn't happen... You can tell who these self proclaimed "Experts" are by their claim that any contrary facts are "misinformation", "a conspiracy theory", "science deniers", "heretics" etc....
@@PanglossDr found the guy who arrested Galileo. How did that "reputable source" turn out again?
Great attitude shown by the old guy a few minutes later, when he states it is fantastic when you students prove you wrong!
it's interesting when the old guy at 47.36 is talking about what caused the fluctuations in the glaciers/ice ages he talks about the older understanding - changing sunlight levels, then mentions the new theory - changes to equatorial currents, but sees it as a 'one or the other' scenario, The new idea makes the old one wrong'. Why can't they both have had an impact?
I had to pause at the 25:00 mark to make sure I'd heard him right. Did he just make the leap that people were using mammoth bones 2k yrs ago - "therefore the ice age ended much later"?? As far as inferences go, this is a shocker. Did the used bones have butcher marks on them? I'd hazard a guess that they didn't and that these bones were recovered from the beds of thousands of bones and tusks of animals that were wiped out during the Younger Dryas(YD). People still harvest these giant piles of tusk and bone today. His reasoning would have us believe that the ice age therefore ended today.
This documentary relies, mainly on rusion archeology, which explains the bones
Anyone remember tje frozen Mamouth of Siberia, frozen solid with food in their stomach. . . The event happened in some hours not days nor moths. . .. . .
Many many fossils too
Interesting mixture of fact, speculation, fantasy, and, mistakes.
Like every history book.
@@mrvn000 very well said
This could help explain the bronze age collapse especially since after the bronze age collapse people moved to the mountains in many places.
They proposed that a catastrophic inflow of Mediterranean seawater into the Black Sea freshwater lake occurred around 7600 years ago, c. 5600 BC . Long before the Bronze Age Collapse.
@@johnbox271 so late neolithic early copper age?
@@Ian-yf7uf A copper age time frame for the
Black Sea deluge is the hypothesis.
The BAC was circa 1177 B.C. much later. I suppose you could theorize the people of Agean and Black Sea areas were pushed around by rising water. This would likely cause war or a binding together of peoples to form a bigger, stronger "tribe". That usually ends up with war against smaller "tribes" to increase the size & wealth of the larger ones.
Yes, a very predictable pattern of human behavior in history. Nothing has changed.....see Putin, invasion of Ukraine and Communist China aggression and land grabbing....20th and 21st century.
That is a very good assessment - the surrounding remnants of the blacksea nations must have become the sea peoples.
Very interesting documentary. Many thanks.
Absolutely awesome great work thank you
Excellent video thank you.
Amazing info! (and old 90s doco vibe with the audio and effects)
Institute for Science and Apologetics?
Gosh darn it!
I’m going to HAVE to go down that rabbit hole now aren’t I 😳
9:55
I'm following you down the rabbit hole
Me 3
Good video! Quite interesting. 😎👍
My cat liked it Meeeeew
@@seanh4841 that’s one smart cat you got there! 😎👍
Great Video
Lots of great info, shame there was not more UNDERsea video of these Ancient civilizations.
Werry interesting, great video.
👍💝🌹🥰
One of the best documentaries that I've seen.
This clears up a lot of questions.
Still, I'd like to see the DNA distributions to tie it all together.
They already did ("The genetic history of the Southern Arc: A bridge between West Asia and Europe", an Harvard genetic research from 2022), and the results debunked these ridiculous theories in this video.
There ya go then.
Like I say nowadays, DNA or it didn't happen.
Traced is an interesting book and a series here on UA-cam. Scientist gathered genetic samples from volunteers world wide to see where different people groups migrated to throughout history. Very interesting 😎
Edit: many of the things mentioned here are actually expanded upon in that study
It is speculated that the fall of the bronze age civilizations were caused in part by drought. This could have been around the same time of the ice melts changing the climate from wet to dryer.
In ancient times Greek authors were writting that the areas off Sirtus near Gades in North Africa were dangerous because of shallow shoals. This would indicate a lower Mediteranian at the time. The straits may have been shut off at the time but ice melt would be raising the Atlantic, causing it to eventually begin filling the Med. eventually leading to the Black Sea flooding through the bosporus.
This would also explain the underwater ancient, coastal cities found around the Medateranian.
There was also a shortage of Pop Tarts and KFC
@@seanh4841 😂
The bronze age collapse was around 3200 years ago, the end of the ice age was around 10000 years ago. Ice melting likely had very little effect. The Mediterranean cities you mention sank underwater due to earthquakes.
@@macgonzo Yes, fantastic
@@macgonzo Well that and the sea level rising.
There is a reason that large parts of Alexandria we know was used in the first few centuries AD are now under water and that is not an earthquake zone.
It is a very interesting subject and this video gives a good oversight of the latest insights. However, because of loud music and too many different speakers, it is irritating and sometimes very hard to follow.
Wide variety of accents but click the "CC" button for captioning. That helps me with some British/Scottish accents. I didn't notice the background music.
Amazing 🤩
Absolutely fascinating... I always say question the science.... I like how this video breaks down the inaccuracies and accuracies of carbons testing... I've never even heard of carbon 12... Until this video... Which gives very good examples why these environmental changes would occur and be possible... Excellent job please keep up the good work make more videos like this 👍👍👍👍👉❤️
This is awesome 👍🏼. From historical/mythology, this type of event happened around 10,000BC too.... Thanks & Cheers 🥂 Into 2023 on a high(water) note!
Love all the scientists in this
@31:02 the contrast between those ancient figurines with council housing as a backdrop is breath taking indeed
Native American Tribes around Lake Superior were mining copper and producing tools and weapons about 9000 years ago.
Super !
I'm so glad others see it like I do. O have come across a lot of places with cocgs and hinge marks and stone that had to be metal once.
Great video x
love your podcasts...have you considered inviting Ajit Varki (Book: Denial: Self-Deception, False Beliefs, and the Origins of the Human Mind) and Sheldon Solomon (The Worm at the Core - On the Role of Death in Life)?
This content is so important to enabling many of us lay persons to learn about past human cultures and civilizations. But. It would be so very much better if the time was taken to edit out the numerous mistakes in the closed captioning: example - "Agean sea" was captioned "GNC" ,to name one of dozens of misquotes. Apart from this issue, the presentation was very good and interesting.
Just imagine what we will hear when you down the back ground music.
Most interesting thing I've watched in a long time. It makes a great deal of sense of the discrepancies in the common narrative and turns conspiracy into controversy. We're learning more every year that passes and it's progress. We don't care about power bases we just want to know the truth of our REAL history. I love it. Intuitively makes more sense 👍✌️
excactly
Finally a pretty good view of the real starting place and point of current (modern) civilization(s)...
Wow, bronze age tools and copper mines found submerged in the Black Sea. Amazing detail in this video. Exellent research going on today.
I was not aware that the Thracians and Scythians were Ice- age cultures as stated in this video? Wouldn't it be more likely Yamyana and Corded Ware - more ancient cultures? The steppe horse nomads would have come later than the time of mammoths and mastodons.
No need for disturbing music
The more than enough of that at my place
Just like major cities nowadays, most are on the coasts. Some things never change
Maybe the knew nature destroying is bad
Thank you for this presentation. The interviews and information all give wonderful contextual perspective for the Expanded View of Human History that has begun to emerge in the last few decades (despite the hostile and contrarian attempts at suppression and denial by the majority of "mainstream" academics.)
Pro tip bruh - there are no NON mainstream academics.
There are corporate academics, institutional academics and amateur/hobbyist (unpaid) academics.
That's it - the rest are just uneducated armchair observers flailing around in the dark minus enough data to give their opinions some semblance of reliable form beyond "I feel that this looks like" which is a common theme I see in comments for videos discussing ancient history and archaeology.
Practised ignorance by discarding available academic findings does not elevate the conversation - those findings were produced through literally millions of man hours of archaeologists bent over dusty trenches and slowly eeking out the detail to later collect together in research papers to be freely released to all.
(freely released as opposed to all those money making books that Hancock, von Danicken, Dunn, Foerster etc etc sell to enrich themselves by plagiarising the work of archaeologists for their own with some added fantasy speculation for the rubes)
It's the equivalent of having 787 Dreamliner level aerospace technology and going back to wondering if a rounded piece of wood could be used for transporting things.
The use of the term "mainstream academics" is just a dog whistle for anti establishment rhetoric used by writers who usually have little to offer but reliance on this crutch to elevate their words by inspiring an emotional response to that rhetoric.
Cults use very similar tactics to draw in followers - the 'Moonies' and Scientologists demonstrate this pretty clearly.
A very good and informative presentation however its not new the video is six yrs old but it is new to Odyssey for i have seen this before!
It looks and sounds more like decades old! The of 1989 was mentioned at some point.
@@cathjj840 I know there was an earlier video on the Black Sea featuring Prof Ryan and his partner where they actually go out onto the Black Sea using Sonar to sound the seabed plus this video is Hi Def which we have had since 2004 and i have a faint recollection that the partner has since passed away but this does not detract what is a very absorbing subject.
Dr. Phil’s cousin was on the money. Wonder what this upcoming winter will be like. Stay hydrated and safe❤
I think these civilizations they are talking about are much older than this show suggests.
Yeah, especially as we now know about ancient megalithic sites, like Gobleki Tepe in Turkey that has been dated to 9000BC
@@PoppyFlux And now they have found an even more ancient site than that. We keep stretching people time farther and farther back.
37:22 The boats and human figures look very much like those found in Denmark and Sweden carved on rock. So the question....did the art style itself spread or was it branches of an "original" group that brought this art style with them.? Probably a bit of both.
Checkout Mr Mythos flood video
Germanics and Hellens are the same peoples.
damm good video 2 very big thumbs up
Always be skeptical of docs that offer not one word that questions its own thesis. This thing is its own worst enemy.
Six minutes and 35 seconds there is a important key note in the documentary
The Flood, Atlantis, the sea people. First time i have heard of the flooding of the Black Sea so recent in history. All this makes perfect sense now.
Did these guys know that their problems with carbon dating can be easily fixed with an adjustment to the maths? To account for the differing carbon in the atmosphere?
And can they tell me why mammoths surviving past the Ice Age means the ice age isn’t end when we think it did? I mean, IF the ice age was their optimal environment, there’s no reason to expect they would die off BEFORE their optimal environment ceased to be.
The Ice Age technically hasn't ended yet. Blew my mind when I found this out. It was the last "Glacial Maximum," the peak of it...but we're still in the twilight of the Ice Age.
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
I did not know that, and in case anyone else reads this text chain: I looked it up. I’m a little confused on wether it’s the same Ice Age or not. But that may be an irrelevant bit of semantics.
I still contend that the existence of mammoths is possibly the worst argument for global climate predictions. They could have done better.
Mammoths were still roaming N America even after the Pyramids at Giza were constructed.
I think the lands around the Black Sea was the ancestral home of the Proto Indo European people. The flood forced them to adopt a peripatetic lifestyle which they ended up excelling at.
Exactly what I am saying: some experts say that their base was in Turkey. But when the level was down, the water was fresh (!) and drinkable (they omit this extremely important point), the entire lakeshore was great cradle of civilization.
Those people, the Yamnaya, were more likely from further north, in the pontic steppe. Not sure about your causality either, but of course a lot is still conjecture even among academics.
Cool
Muzza
Wonderful documentary, i love it.
There's always one
Wild
Extremely interesting video, but I am having a hard time not envisioning Dr Phil every time James speaks 🤣
I can show you the massive impact scar on North America and many other associated impact scars. This event was on top of 2 to 3 miles of ice. Associated with this is the massive signs of flooding water on the North and West of the Appalachian Mountain Range, plus there is a deposit fan at the South end of this mountain range that reaches over 3 states. North America also burnt up everywhere this could happen. An ice core sample dates this event at 12,820 years before the date of the core sample. This layer of ash materials I easily detected today wherever this soil layer is exposed, for example the clay bluffs along the Chepeake Bay Virginia. Of interest this event ended the Clovis culture in North America ending Clovis lithic findings above this ash signature. I am an amature observer and I found this description myself. Now it has become mainstream thinking validated by many discussions and videos. Of interest the oldest artifact in Virginia was dredged up from 400 feet in the ocean by a scallop dredge along with bones from a Mastodon kill. These bones were dated 18K years old. 18K years ago the ocean was 420 feet below where it is right now, at the end of the last ice age. Solutrian culture, pre-paleo (Clovis).
check out the youtube channel suspicious observers, their disaster playlist. the solar micronova and associated effects is the cause of what you are describing.
@@markjackson3531 The better channel is Magnetic Pole Reversal News. Too much click bait on SO
@@stephenburnage7687 Really? I'll check that channel out, but SO has never struck me as a "clickbait" channel tbh...
@@markjackson3531 Maybe 'clickbate' is the wrong term but prone to exaggeration, quoting theories as fact and continuing in promoting theories that are now disproved. Remember, Ben is a an attorney, not a scientist and remember also, none of this is settled science (just competing theories, some of which overlap). Diamond (who runs Magnetic Pole Reversal News) is a true scientis, weighs up the current evidence as objectively as he can. Another excellent channel is "See the Pattern", which again distinguishes itself by its objectivity plus has excellent graphics.
41 minutes in an interesting perspective, plausible, but there is uncertainties
Although this video makes several good points, it also makes a massive unsubstantiated assumption. It assumes that the sea level rise in the Black Sea must have been at the end of the Ice Age.
It's entirely possible that there was an isthmus at the Bosphorous, rather than a strait. Similar to what we think happened with the flooding of the Mediterranean after the isthmus at Gibraltar was breached, this Bosphoran isthmus could have been breached by tectonic activity, gradual geologic movement, or simply water erosion. Once a small breach happened, it would have experienced some pretty severe water erosion, turning it into a much larger breach as the water from the Aegean Sea flowed into the Black.
Also, don't take ancient legends as gospel (if you'll excuse the pun). Yes, the ancient Greeks said that a flood happened around the Time of King Dardanus, but that doesn't mean it's true. It's actually not uncommon for ancient myths to be updated with modern character names. For example, the myth of the Sacred Twins, which appears to go right back to the Proto-Indo-Europeans, involved Romulus and Remus in the Latin version, and Hengist and Horsa in the Anglo-Saxon version. So it's entirely possible that they remembered an ancient flood myth, and then someone added on the name of a recent king to make it more relatable. Kinda like they did with Noah and the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Makes me wonder if the eruption of Thera was due to tectonic isostatic rebounding from the Black Sea flood. If the Dardanus legend is true, they both are around 1600/1500 BCE. However, the Aegean tectonics are quite unstable, Marinatos has pointed out a fairly regular earthquake schedule on Crete, approximately every 100 years or so.
I live on the Greek mainland we live through small scale earthquakes almost daily... And every year or two bigger quakes that are truly felt. The smaller ones around 3.5 Richter are usually felt when you're in bed lying still or sitting. A week ago we felt a strong 5.1 that took place 65 km from Athens it's a terrible feeling when the earth moves one cannot get used to that
@@annalouux8553 that’s crazy, I had no idea it was that common. Stay safe!
Sounds like the genesis flood...the earth flooded from bottom and top...not just rain. This happened fast for people leaving belongings
Except it didn't happen fast at all.
Modern information has shown that the flooding was fairly gradual, certainly not catastrophic.
I watch disaster shows, and seeing how the floods of today, can enter a house at least 3 feet high, ruin neighborhoods, and take so much in the rivers of water out to the sea in days..People did lose their lives, others left fast and left belongings..
what year was this made? super cool and fascinating.
2007
1938
I think it was late 1990's. Remember it on one of those History/Discovery type channels a long long time ago. It was after the USSR broke up and a lot of information started flowly more freely from the Soviet scientist knowledge. Everything was a big super secret in the USSR so they squirreled away lots of evidence and information.
Looks like a 1994 university production
@@chucknorris277 Cheap as chips Camcorder stuff,
James could be Dr Phil's long lost brother....
Edit: Fixed typo. Changed to "long lost brother" instead of "long list brother
How much does he list for? Not much I hope, and such a short list
@@cathjj840 Sorry, I made a typo, was meant to be long lost, not long list....
Thank god some one is opening up to the possibilities!!!!!!!
Sounds like “wine dark sea” in The Odyssey could be explained by that flood. This also puts Genesis into some kind of perspective for me as a trauma being explained by a specific group of people trying to understand a big change in climate like that over only 2-3 generations. The absurdly disorientingly disturbing stories in it aside. All of it together making it clear how little we’ve had to base assumptions on.
"Gilgamesh's supposed historical reign is believed to have been approximately 2700 BC. The Gilgamesh flood tablet XI was discovered in Nineveh" Long before there was a Jewish tribe, the flood story (Myth?) was around.
Genesis is an interesting fable, hardly factual
@@johnbox271-
So when you talk to native Americans do you tell them their oral histories are not true, because they did not write them down? Or maybe their written history (for those that did have a written language) was too easily destroyed.
But for a series of books that is not taken seriously by some, archeologists have found way too much confirming it.
@@johnbox271- PS- “Jewish”- Judah was one tribe of 12. They were Hebrews, along with Egyptians who left enslavement of Egypt.
See UA-cam Jabal El Lawz, the proof of them being in the wilderness was in Arabia, just as Paul stated. Arabia is now letting folks over for research purposes.
@@Musick79 Do you accept as fact...
An, the God of Heaven, Enlil, the Storm and Wind God, Enki, the Water God, Ninhursag, the Goddess of Fertility and The Earth, Utu, the God of justice and of the Sun, and his father Nanna, God of the Moon.
Do you worship them?
Thracians Great culture and civilization! Alexander Macedonian also used them and incorporated as his soldiers in his army because they were also known as excellent warriors!
Any carpenter or stone mason takes their tools away from the job with them, stone tools were probably repurposed many times over, a Stone Age version of “disposable” cutlery / tools / hammers
We also don't generally leave the building plans behind after a project is finished!
@@keyscook any diagrams or design templates would have been immensely valuable and carefully protected…I imagine that the Library at Alexandria likely held info on the pyramids initial construction and the great Flood before it was torched, pity
The shore line of the fresh water Black Lake was the center of civilization before the Fertile Crescent. The Black lake became the much larger salt water Black Sea around 7,700 bce. The Bosporus Straits opened up and zThe Mediterranean Sea poured into it. The flood reached all the way to Mt Ararat 370 km away from the old lake shoreline. This is the basis for the story of Noah snd Gilgamesh.
"The flood reached all the way to Mt Ararat 370 km away from the old lake shoreline"
Most recent evidence shows that the infill of the Black Sea basin was gradual over a time period of months to years, rather than a catastrophic flood event - that doesn't fit with a tidal wave reaching so far at all.
"This is the basis for the story of Noah snd Gilgamesh"
Except the Gilgamesh flood tale is based on older Mesopotamian flood myths of Sumer and Akkad, as is Noah clearly when you break down the similarities in the texts.
The continuity of cultural transmission was likely Sumerian/Akkadian -> Canaanite -> Israelite.
The land of Canaan was once part of the great Akkadian empire in antiquity, and the Akkadian empire grew out of the Sumerian civilisation, so Sumerian -> Akkadian -> Canaanite fits.
Not to mention that Israelite religion and Hebrew language share so much in common with Canaanite from the surviving Canaanite texts that it is comical to call them anything but a largely derivative culture where most of the Israelite mythology is concerned, the rest being retconned history of Egypt and the ancient Near East using Hebrew names and places as landmarks within the text and wrapping the rest around them.
The older flood myth lists a completely different mountain, not to mention that the tale is clearly describing a RIVER flood of the Euphrates given the mention of Shuruppak along the banks of the Euphrates.
You did not listen at all...Carbon dating might show 7,000 BCE but they showed that the data is FALSE plus the artifacts show a MUCH later period as they find BRONZE age materials. Math is a problem for many
some say its an old mine.
some say there's always the same amount of water on this plane.
interesting narrative. thanks for this
The filling of the Black Sea took only 14 days, as enough water came through Bosporous.
I have always known about the climate changing throughout earths existence, or obviously before we started recording, but I didn't know about how the terraces form under water. as he described it, it made total sense. thanks for that.
I have seen this before on a show called ‘drain the oceans’ I hope there is new footage in this documentary.
"Creating now submerged offshore islsnds"...you wrote that. How about "submerging islands that contained settlements and military outposts". Editing needs to be improved. This problem only continues from here on. This instance was within the first minute. When the script has errors in sentence structure and grammar then then information becomes suspect.
Did you notice that there's a documentary between the ads?
Objection, please: at about the 16:00-17:00 section, a gentleman incorrectly dated "Sargon the Great" (of Akkad) to 2000 BCE, whereas he actually reigned c. 2334-2279 BCE.
Then, circa 22:00-23:00, another scholar indicated that if he were the archeologist involved in hypothetical research he would study the "Herodotus description" of the area. Well, one should never forget that one must also "interpret" or "rely" on Herodotus with a few "TONS" of salt, given the ancient man's proclivity to greatly exaggerate whatever he described.
Agree with you. But the icelandic sagas were considered fun and entertaining stories until lanse aux meadows was discovered. It was obvious that the story had merit if you looked at a map and calculated their sailing days and descriptions of the land, but was written off. I think we need to take a look at everything available, but not presuppose anything to be the full story.
If a theory is that an Ice Age is triggered by the El Nino moving northward then we might be coming into another one. Australia, where I'm from, is one side of the El Nino/La Nina pendulum, South America being the other. I've noticed in the last 30 years that North Western United States seems to be suffering from the same effects of an El Nino, intense heat, long droughts, rivers drying up, and extensive wildfires, as Americans call them. Traditionally the El Nino is in South America but it seems that North America has been feeling the same effects for the last 2 decades. Eastern Australia has also been in La Nina for the last 3 years and we've had record breaking rain and the winters for the last 2 years have been very cold. An interesting hypothesis.
Its great to see such open mindedness in science.
I thought there would be more detailed view of items found under the Black sea, but now I think I saw just a small glimpse of it, and that each commenting person held somewhat confusingly different view. Are they saying that the Ice Age (that we know came around 13000 years BP amd started the Holocene) ended like, 5000 years BP? If we have witness accounts of the flooding of the Black Sea during the reign of king Dardanus or whatever was his name, are we sure he lived just recently and not the 13000 years ago? I thought I'd learn something, but now I feel like I am more confused than before I saw this. 😅
Me, too - confused that is. But I still learned stuff and am trying to make it fit with other knowledge and hypotheses I've seen that have appeared well since this documentary was made. To be followed...
I think the problem is that we are dealing with the time frame just before the adoption of writing. The very cusp between history/prehistory.
The re-filling of the Black Sea probably happened before any true writing or calendric dating system. There are the Vinca inscriptions, possibly from 4000bc, but they seem to be a proto-writing pictography.
All these floods would have been at the end of the Oral Tradition only period, and would have been the "hot news" of their times even one or 2 millennia later, when desendant cultures caught true writing, and crystalized them into "history".
what the fuck is BP? I assume you mean BC
@@Justin-ee3im BP stands for Before Present.
Makes regression equations and graphing a little less error prone.
And probably makes interacting with historians/archeologists from non-Christian backgrounds a little less confrontational.
@@NullHand "confrontational"? are you serious? using terms commonly accepted for thousands of years is "confrontational"? ridiculous. BP = bullshlt propaganda
Those ancient Greeks, Thracians, and Scythians shouldn't have burned so many fossil fuels!
I was so happy to finally see something new about this subject only to be disappointed that it's the same crap that's been on You Tube for years.
It was free to a good home
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34:12 "than" is a word of degree or measurement: bigger than, smaller than, brighter than, dimmer than, more than, less than.
Different FROM. Minus 1 point. "Much more different from the way it is today, than it was a thousand years afterward."
Your a word of degree
The audio keeps switching from barely audible to painfully loud, depending who's speaking. Very annoying.
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I was interested to hear that one of these experts said that an Antikithera Mechanism, which was like a metal clock with various sophisticated clock parts and showed the appearance in the heavens of each of the planets; one of which was found under the sea and recreated by modern experts, and another made in the Knossos. and the Santorini Culture; and this double culture was destroyed by the explosion of the volcano there, through the explosion and resulting extreme tsunami. Is this true that another Antikithera clock of the planets was found somewhere around the Black Sea? Was there a cultural connection between these cultures? Cynthia Allen McLaglen
The debris near the Bosporus Straight on the Black Sea could have been removed over time. That area is a major shipping location so it would be of major importance to remove all obstacles.
Only what was in the shipping channels and shallow enough to be a shipping hazard
Audio sounds like frequencies distorted.
would love to just chat with these guys
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Even the merkin who shouts incoherently?
Dr. Phil's brother joins in at 5:05
Why do we not consider the core could hear up ? Especially knowing the spin of our planet varies and adding a faster spin would create more heat or friction. It would also help explain why we had periods of more volcanics at certain times of Earth's development.
Can someone tell me the name and the location of this site that is at 21:03 and 21:17 sections. It's quite similar to the Great pyramid queen's chamber and grand gallery by design ( maybe not so precise, but quite similar)
*This is a refreshingly "Authentic Academic" Geo-Documentary, due to the Geological and Geophysics having far less influence by the "Mainstream Academics" and thus far less fears associated with retaliation and the undesirable social and professional criticism, causing threat to their Carriers and Job Security.* (This comment being made by a Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian, whom received a concentrated focus in education in the "Standards of Science and Research" which prohibits using a Theory as Fact. "Authentic Academics" follow this Standard.)
The "Mainstream Academics" hold a 19th Century Theory as their Fact Foundation and the base for their Paradigm and Linear Timeline.
I have watched this documentary several times, and appreciate it immensely, however, I was hoping for a more recent, a continuation of material on the subject
If the Reader is aware of one or more, please share the title(s) with me.
Thanks,
Beth
So, before the bronze age, the level of the water in the black sea basin was lower than the level of water in the aegean sea. In that case, it would not be possible to travel by boat between the two - so we should look for evidence of canal locks or portage paths at the shortest distance between the two. It is quite possible that evaporation in the basin kept the water level so low - this still happens at the Dead sea, and possibly the Caspian? However, to postulate a massively higher rainfall, evidenced by much bigger/wider rivers, causes some conflict in the theory, requiring, as it does, such a a massive increase in the amount of evaporation also - although if the global temperature was that much higher, that might equate to greater evaporation AND rainfall.
Yeah, Noah knows all about it