Having spent 2 years in SXM, I know that Cessna or whatever small plane had plenty of time to get the hell outta the way. Probably a local happy to make 200 tourists have a tour of the island :)
@Padarom well, [heavy in comparison to the light ;)] i guess the prop was under vfr, and jet ifr. its up for the atc to judge seperation.. for me, i would bring the heavy first and then advise 4miles seperation for the light aircraft. orbit in the downwind leg. etc
@cadence33333 i understand your point of wake turbulence, the hard line fact is, that the 757 would burn serious amount of fuel in the go around proceedure and delay the arrival. A private VFR could orbit on a downwind leg and allow seperation
@aceridgey That said, not arguing with you, sir, once the twin was clear to land, don't you think the pilot of the airliner was a bit cavalier to continue the approach in landing configuration all the way to the threshold? He would have been (made) aware of the traffic, and should have seen him with at least a mile or two to go. With such a short runway, no parallel taxiway and no overrun, would it not be safer to elect to go-around sooner? I'm not ATC, but pilot who has been in both shoes.
@StigsCanadianCousin Hello sir, thanks for your reply. The commercial pilot may have been suggested to slow to minimum approach speed. [in a 757 that may have been as low as 117knots]. My problem is, that tower control would have had the light aircraft on frequency, and know of the 757 inbound.. IF i were atc i would have judged the distance and speed and say to the light "[callsign] you are number 2 behind an 757 recommended spacing is 4 miles, call final runway **,
@aceridgey either way... how come the 2 planes are so close? if the first 1 lands first... those wind caused by the heavy one could be deadly for the small one.... thats what i heard from an incident recently...
The ATC must have told the beechcraft to go around because of the difference of size of the two aircrafts, to let priority to the 757, but that one missed his approach because he was preoccupated to see another aircraft so close. Is my supposition good or not?
@hiimkian how on earth does simply living on the island make you capable of judging the ATC's abilities? Are you a pilot? An air traffic controller on the island? Do anything related to aviation other than stare at the airplanes wondering how they fly without flapping their wings?
@Deltapilot96 lol, the small aircraft was classed as No.1 for landing as he requested first, the 757 was No.2 for landing, so because he was so close behind, he had no choice but to go around, the small aircraft was already committed
@smartdon007 The runway has to be clear for the second plane to land. The twin was not entirely off the runway and the land/don't land decision had to be made, probably by the pilot in this case. It happens, but this is a separation issue that is usually taken care of miles away on approach. Doesn't always work out, especially when a jet is following a smaller, slower plane. This is what happened with Michele Obama's plane a month ago or so.
@bajesus666 sorry sir you are debating with some one who is very involved in air traffic control, the only reason i am not saying anything conclusive, is that i mainly know about United Kingdom Proceedures, However, atc rules still apply, the tower controler thought he could bring the light before the medium/heavy.. I would have said "[light aircraft] you are number two behind an AA B752, recommended spacing is 4miles report final, orbit/extend at the downwind as necessary, report final"
Yeah! this morning i was flying a cessna with my instructor and the ATC told me that the runway was cleared to land, so i was on final approach and suddenly, just seconds to touch down i saw a fokker 100 taking off and the ATC told me to go around lol. After 4 months of flying experience this was my first time that this happens to me.
Jet: "Is that another plane...?" Turbo: "Yes, HEIIIIIIIIYYY!!!" Jet: "OHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCK" Turbo: "Haaaaay, come to mah partay ghuiseee!!!" Aww hell naw...
Happens all the time. Sometimes faster aircrafts are caught behind slower planes. Smaller planes are informed to clear runway no delay to try to get the larger aircraft in. sometimes it works other times is does not. Happens everyday
I'm not sure what the arrangements were, but the 757 should have landed first. I mean... there are ways to avoid wake turbulence. It sinks, stay above it all the way to touchdown.
are you a pilot? I am, and i know for a fact that air carrier jets get priority. making the 757 go around would take longer and burn much more fuel.. extremely wasteful. the twin could just hop into the traffic pattern and come back for another go. several times, I have been on final approach, and been told to to go around because of a jet behind me. most recently, i was on 1/2mile final and had to go around cuz a learjet was coming up behind me faster than anticipated, even though i stayed fast
I don't know but that was why the 757 had to go around....the aircraft was still on the runway. They probably so close because one thing, a 757 is a lot faster than a little multi-engine turboprop.
the first plane landed? Think I saw it on the runway. In my opinion the ATC at st.maarten kinda.. sucks. There's another video of a 747' cleared to take off while an airplane is approaching, they went around without any ATC warning or so, they discovered the plane on the runway by themselves..
"Cessna PJ-WEC, keep the speed up, first available exit - or you'll be a new hood ornament for 767 on short final". That ought to scare him off the runway. Imagine the look on the face of the pilot of the twin, when he sees the shadow overtake him!!!!!
Since the island belongs to the dutch and french, the FAA has no say in what happens. ICAO rules and regs apply here. English is spoken by the pilots and the controllers, but the reason the beach is there, and why the aircraft approached and/or went around the way they did is due to how the dutch and french run the show. I've seen a similar occurrence where a 747 in Amsterdam had to go around from a similar altitude due to a DC-10 on the runway that had just landed...
lol...that was kinda funny...nice little piper (seminole?), perfectly fine on final, then you see that beast of a plane come in...that was kind of a foolish move on the towers part to vector the piper first.
I don't think this is bad ATC I think that this is poor communication between the conrollers. If the light aircraft contacted apporach they would get first preference to what to do which in this case was to land. In that case the ATC should have noticed and insturted thye heavy to circle.
oh damn, you can still see the other plane in the distance on the runway... hope they didn't have to change their pants after that lol... good call to go around
According to your brilliantly intelligent post below (in all caps), you said the FAA... If I wanted a smart-ass remark, I wouldn't have posted anything. You're welcome...
@hiimkian lol you're just making yourself sound even more naive... "i've seen it with my own eyes, making phone calls on the job." Maybe if you 'heard it with your own ears' you could comment on their reasoning for their 'on the job phone calls'. It could be the case that they're are calling other facilities that monitor traffic advising them of various situations currently occurring. Do you think that because they discuss airplanes they must only use a Motorola style radio?
True, but we have seen many accidents where the pilot was dumb. Also, that is a failure by ATC. They were evidently trying to shoehorn the airplanes in. Separation... Be well :)
@bajesus666 it shouldnt be first come first serve, Air traffic Control does not work like that man. Go arounds should obviously not occur, so the fact we have one here, is a perfect example of it
the tower could and would never make a 757 do a 360. even if both planes were IFR, the controllers could have better sequenced it. again.. rather make a light twin go around than a 757.
So because you have a top comment you're right? When did you last grow up? People just randomly thumbs up comments that seem real. I never said a go-around takes one hour. $1800 is just not right, even if it seems right. Kids thinking they're all right 'n stuff only if they have a top comment. I doubt you're an adult. If this is seriously you, you will never make it to a commercial pilot license. P.S. I am 16 and i have 2 licenses, almost my third. I am from The Netherlands and study on the DFA.
@Sunamer1 the light aircraft is most likely VFR, he can orbit in the downwind while the heavy lands, the heavy cannot
Having spent 2 years in SXM, I know that Cessna or whatever small plane had plenty of time to get the hell outta the way. Probably a local happy to make 200 tourists have a tour of the island :)
@Padarom well, [heavy in comparison to the light ;)]
i guess the prop was under vfr, and jet ifr.
its up for the atc to judge seperation.. for me, i would bring the heavy first and then advise 4miles seperation for the light aircraft. orbit in the downwind leg. etc
@cadence33333 i understand your point of wake turbulence,
the hard line fact is, that the 757 would burn serious amount of fuel in the go around proceedure and delay the arrival.
A private VFR could orbit on a downwind leg and allow seperation
Awesome ! add in my favourite !
@aceridgey That said, not arguing with you, sir, once the twin was clear to land, don't you think the pilot of the airliner was a bit cavalier to continue the approach in landing configuration all the way to the threshold? He would have been (made) aware of the traffic, and should have seen him with at least a mile or two to go. With such a short runway, no parallel taxiway and no overrun, would it not be safer to elect to go-around sooner? I'm not ATC, but pilot who has been in both shoes.
@sferc97 .. No, the small twin engined aircraft had not left the runway (can still be seen at 00:38) hence the go-around.
@StigsCanadianCousin Hello sir, thanks for your reply. The commercial pilot may have been suggested to slow to minimum approach speed. [in a 757 that may have been as low as 117knots]. My problem is, that tower control would have had the light aircraft on frequency, and know of the 757 inbound.. IF i were atc i would have judged the distance and speed and say to the light
"[callsign] you are number 2 behind an 757 recommended spacing is 4 miles, call final runway **,
@aceridgey
either way... how come the 2 planes are so close? if the first 1 lands first... those wind caused by the heavy one could be deadly for the small one.... thats what i heard from an incident recently...
The ATC must have told the beechcraft to go around because of the difference of size of the two aircrafts, to let priority to the 757, but that one missed his approach because he was preoccupated to see another aircraft so close. Is my supposition good or not?
@hiimkian how on earth does simply living on the island make you capable of judging the ATC's abilities? Are you a pilot? An air traffic controller on the island? Do anything related to aviation other than stare at the airplanes wondering how they fly without flapping their wings?
@Deltapilot96 lol, the small aircraft was classed as No.1 for landing as he requested first, the 757 was No.2 for landing, so because he was so close behind, he had no choice but to go around, the small aircraft was already committed
@shess0501 What's "maintain visual separation" mean then? I hear that all the time
¿cuando fue tomado ese video? ¿el jueves 20 de marzo de 2008?
In the Navy, you would get a yellow seat cover indicating you missed the cable while landing on deck and had to come around for another go.
do you have the video of this plane landing again?
Hi. Was is the date of this video?
The jet flying over reminds me of the old Hawaii 5-0 series opening!
@47bobful The jet couldn't land because the plane that came in before wasn't off the runway yet.
@smartdon007 The runway has to be clear for the second plane to land. The twin was not entirely off the runway and the land/don't land decision had to be made, probably by the pilot in this case. It happens, but this is a separation issue that is usually taken care of miles away on approach. Doesn't always work out, especially when a jet is following a smaller, slower plane. This is what happened with Michele Obama's plane a month ago or so.
@bajesus666 sorry sir you are debating with some one who is very involved in air traffic control, the only reason i am not saying anything conclusive, is that i mainly know about United Kingdom Proceedures, However, atc rules still apply, the tower controler thought he could bring the light before the medium/heavy..
I would have said
"[light aircraft] you are number two behind an AA B752, recommended spacing is 4miles report final, orbit/extend at the downwind as necessary, report final"
Yeah! this morning i was flying a cessna with my instructor and the ATC told me that the runway was cleared to land, so i was on final approach and suddenly, just seconds to touch down i saw a fokker 100 taking off and the ATC told me to go around lol. After 4 months of flying experience this was my first time that this happens to me.
Jet: "Is that another plane...?"
Turbo: "Yes, HEIIIIIIIIYYY!!!"
Jet: "OHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCK"
Turbo: "Haaaaay, come to mah partay ghuiseee!!!"
Aww hell naw...
Was that US Airways?
Happens all the time. Sometimes faster aircrafts are caught behind slower planes. Smaller planes are informed to clear runway no delay to try to get the larger aircraft in. sometimes it works other times is does not. Happens everyday
I'm not sure what the arrangements were, but the 757 should have landed first. I mean... there are ways to avoid wake turbulence. It sinks, stay above it all the way to touchdown.
@doudy009
Whatever airport you work at im not flying to.
You'd think the controller would have got the 757 to create more space by doing that zigzag maneuver. (I forgot the real term for it).
@EAPoeProductions LOL to that. Other thing you dont want to hear pilot ask is 'Are we there yet?'
are you a pilot? I am, and i know for a fact that air carrier jets get priority. making the 757 go around would take longer and burn much more fuel.. extremely wasteful. the twin could just hop into the traffic pattern and come back for another go. several times, I have been on final approach, and been told to to go around because of a jet behind me. most recently, i was on 1/2mile final and had to go around cuz a learjet was coming up behind me faster than anticipated, even though i stayed fast
I don't know but that was why the 757 had to go around....the aircraft was still on the runway. They probably so close because one thing, a 757 is a lot faster than a little multi-engine turboprop.
Thats crazy man i love it
I cannot believe the air traffic controller would have a jet come in number two with a twin prop at such a short distance!
this silence in the cabin worsens my stomach ache
@mmaccallum you counter this by having "reccommended spacing"
Cheers
The air traffic controller probably set the right separation distance, but he forgot that a 757 goes a lot faster then the GA aircraft.
the first plane landed? Think I saw it on the runway. In my opinion the ATC at st.maarten kinda.. sucks. There's another video of a 747' cleared to take off while an airplane is approaching, they went around without any ATC warning or so, they discovered the plane on the runway by themselves..
"Cessna PJ-WEC, keep the speed up, first available exit - or you'll be a new hood ornament for 767 on short final". That ought to scare him off the runway.
Imagine the look on the face of the pilot of the twin, when he sees the shadow overtake him!!!!!
Since the island belongs to the dutch and french, the FAA has no say in what happens. ICAO rules and regs apply here. English is spoken by the pilots and the controllers, but the reason the beach is there, and why the aircraft approached and/or went around the way they did is due to how the dutch and french run the show. I've seen a similar occurrence where a 747 in Amsterdam had to go around from a similar altitude due to a DC-10 on the runway that had just landed...
Did you go like: "Man you missed my stop!!!"? =)
lol... that was a very close call. didnt the 757 see the beehcraft ahead of him on Final? idk. but good things no accidents.
that dude with his hands up should have showed I guess--- pewh! → we're outta here..!! sweet vid !
surely the little plane should give way to the 757?
People in the plane would wonder wtf happened as the plane suddenly pulled up for no apparent reason to them
lol...that was kinda funny...nice little piper (seminole?), perfectly fine on final, then you see that beast of a plane come in...that was kind of a foolish move on the towers part to vector the piper first.
For those who don't know that much about Aviation Its Call "Go Around"
@foxtrot789
' Hey , how you doin? Did you give Lisa her lunch already '
I dont thin they are calling other facilities
And pilot heard from the flight control "... go around, traffic is on the runway "
I don't think this is bad ATC I think that this is poor communication between the conrollers. If the light aircraft contacted apporach they would get first preference to what to do which in this case was to land. In that case the ATC should have noticed and insturted thye heavy to circle.
"The is the Captain speaking. Sorry, I gotta try that again."
Ah, I'd hate to have to do that approach again!
bad bad badddy, that little twin should have been put on a hold somewhere around the airport...
pilot is like FUCK THIS SHIT !! IAM GOING BACK
Sorry for making a mistake, very human isn't it? But it's very human of you for correcting me, thank you.
That little prop plane needed to get out of the way sooner lol
Who's paying? :) great clip!
Somebody forgot their swimsuit, so they told the pilot to return to the mainland.
im pretty sure that was a british airliner , you can tell by the blue paint job at the botom
those guys must have been pissed
Wow, that is some traffic separation.
I like seeing a pilot make the decision to go around...means that prudency prevailed and not get-thereitis.
Little plane chillin' on runway still, go around.
maybe it was supposed to land when the plane got off the runway but it was too slow so it went around
OMG ! Tinha outra aeronave na pista no momento do pouso do 757... que perigo... o controlador deveria estar maluco rsrs
oh damn, you can still see the other plane in the distance on the runway... hope they didn't have to change their pants after that lol...
good call to go around
that small airplane didn't clear the runway in time
That's interesting I wonder what happened?
1800? check that one again.
Somethin tells me if it was the other way around that twin would have had one hell of a time landing through the wake turbulence from the 777.
Heavy can't come in first because of jet blast on the light aircraft.
at 40 seconds you can see plane 1 on runway still
that cloud is incredibly turbulent!
hi daddy its alex
more time flying, more money! (to the crew of course)
According to your brilliantly intelligent post below (in all caps), you said the FAA... If I wanted a smart-ass remark, I wouldn't have posted anything. You're welcome...
I would almost bet the tower told him to go around because plane 1 was not clear of runway
ive flown on some aircraft where they climb like, well up we...done, scares the crap out of me, may very well have been a 57
@MrRamiz204
ATC At St Maarten suck i live on st maarten so i know that,good luck that the pilot saw The plane!
Its sort of hard not to abort a landing when there is still another aircraft on the runway...
i wouldnt blame the pilot. Very Tough Approach At Princess Airport
@hiimkian lol you're just making yourself sound even more naive... "i've seen it with my own eyes, making phone calls on the job." Maybe if you 'heard it with your own ears' you could comment on their reasoning for their 'on the job phone calls'. It could be the case that they're are calling other facilities that monitor traffic advising them of various situations currently occurring. Do you think that because they discuss airplanes they must only use a Motorola style radio?
good call by a safe pilot
True, but we have seen many accidents where the pilot was dumb. Also, that is a failure by ATC. They were evidently trying to shoehorn the airplanes in. Separation...
Be well :)
Correct
not a very bissy airport with heavy planes each minute... would be a better option to land the 757 first.
@foxtrot789 Epic win...
0:40, plane still runway I think
Poor ATC, should have brought the heavy in first
@bajesus666 it shouldnt be first come first serve, Air traffic Control does not work like that man.
Go arounds should obviously not occur, so the fact we have one here, is a perfect example of it
it is miss approach
the tower could and would never make a 757 do a 360. even if both planes were IFR, the controllers could have better sequenced it. again.. rather make a light twin go around than a 757.
good piloting decision, imagine the spence in fuel for this go around
Go around go around go around
PUT YOUR GEAR UP !
this is not an aborted landing, ATC told the jet to "Go Around" because the beechcraft was still on the runway
To all: for this situation a sentence like "expect late landing clearance' exists... ;-)
UOUUUUUUUUU
Abort Land at last seconds
damn! i would crap myself if i were in that small piper!
So because you have a top comment you're right? When did you last grow up? People just randomly thumbs up comments that seem real. I never said a go-around takes one hour. $1800 is just not right, even if it seems right. Kids thinking they're all right 'n stuff only if they have a top comment. I doubt you're an adult. If this is seriously you, you will never make it to a commercial pilot license. P.S. I am 16 and i have 2 licenses, almost my third. I am from The Netherlands and study on the DFA.
Chuck Norris was on the runway and the plane nor the pilot wanted any trouble...