This is one of my favorite Star Wars ships, probably because it makes a lot of sense. The Venator-class is cool in personal opinion, but it is just a supercarrier with a battleship attached to it as an afterthought, while the Imperial-class is a battleship that carries TIE fighters as its AAA armament. The Arquitens is like a show designer went "hey you know what these two fleets need, a destroyer analogue." That is just great.
I've always considered the Venator-class to be basically the Star Wars equivalent to the Lexington-class carriers from WW2. It's a dedicated carrier with a bunch of design flaws due to folks not knowing how to aircraft carrier yet, but has enough going for it to stick around. So there's a whole bunch of ideas the designers had that just didn't pan out due to being impractical or not needed (the hangar catapults for the Lexington, the massive bay doors for the Venator). And then the guns. Both ships seem to have been designed around packing fairly large gun complements "for self defense" that frankly were a complete afterthought and unneeded. The while the Lexington packed Heavy-cruiser caliber guns, the mere act of firing them would likely damage the hangar deck, not to mention their poor firing arcs and heavy offset from the centerline. The Venator is even worse, with an even larger gun battery that is just as useless, yet somehow convinced Republic Captains that the Venator was a cruiser. No! You're a bloody carrier made of wet tissue paper and slightly above average shielding (cause the ship is never capable of using the full power dedicated to guns).
@@oracleofspace3931 That is a good example. From what I understand the Lexington-class aircraft carriers began construction as battlecruisers and were then changed to carriers during their construction.
@Oracle of Space it would be really cool if the Empire or First Order took the design of the Venator and improved it specifically to be a dedicated carrier. Fix the hanger door, ditch the broadside turrets and replace them with missile turrets or better point defenses, then reuse the power saved on turbolasers to give it better shields.
11:28 They're called Kanmusu (literally "Ship Humans") in Japan, but they actually started out in the 1920's as propaganda tools for the IJN and then the idea was quickly adopted by both the Italian and German Navy's. Apparently the Captain of the Bismarck was so infuriated by it that he, in nearly every written or radio communication, would lambast any mention of the Bismarck's propaganda counterpart and that fact that it was female - Bismarck in history was, of course, a dude, and the captain was really defensive about it. T h e M o r e Y o u K n o o o o o o w...
@@SacredCowShipyards The nuking only accentuated what was _already_ there. Except for puritanism, that was definitely more of an import. I still find it that legally sexually explicit material has to be censored, instead of just trying to outright _ban_ pronogrtaphy. It reminds me of the wire surrounding a portion of NYC so Jewish people can go out on the sabbath. Because apparently you can believe in an almighty omnipotent sky-daddy, but also think 'I can totally outsmart a god on a technicality and do what is forbidden anyhow!' Humans are confusing creatures who follow their own illogical logic and are consistently inconsistent.
My personal headcannon is that the lack of things like railings in Imperial design is a side effect of the Tarkin Doctorine, the Empire's military philosophy, which emphasises ruling through fear via the projection of overwhelming strength. This obsession with the appearance of strength has lead to features such as safety railings being seen as an implicit admission of weakness, and so Imperial designs don't mostly have them.
My favourite bit about Star Wars is that the Empire literally has a rule of cool excuse, which makes a surprising amount of sense, in their own military doctrine, which can be used to retcon all their terrible designs, e.g: The Tie fighters are cheap garbage making them only good in swarms- swarms are big and scary, thus Tarkin Doctrine. The Star Destroyers are unnecessarily massive making them tactically flawed- they are big and scary, thus Tarkin Doctrine. The SSDs and Death Stars are insanely massive making them tactically useless- they are bigger and absolutely terrifying, thus Tarkin Doctrine
Hmmm, I can buy that excuse. Its a lot better than my own headcannon about not having railings. (i.e. OSHA has long been deemed counter productive to population control and long, long ago the galactic government decided that if you are stupid enough to fall off a platform and plummet to your death in space then you don't deserve to be a citizen.) 🤕😈
There was a joke once in one of the comics, that there were no hand rails on the Death Star, because with the sheer number of pits, catwalks and shafts in the Death Star, adding hand rails would have raised the construction costs by about 60% and it was already cripplingly expensive as it was
Considering tractor fields are used both as structural support for CIS drop ships and civilian speeder seat belts, lining walkways with them seems very appropriate.
@@pretzelbomb6105ironically, that was the excuse presented in the parody webcomic Darth &Droids, which posits that Star Wars never existed and reframes the movies as being people doing a space themed TTRPG. When someone questions the lack of railings on Coruscant, one of the players theorizes that they use tractor beams and force fields around every building to act as safety nets that slow and guide falling pedestrians to safety. The DM basically endorses this. It comes back later during the Attack of the Clones arc to explain why Obi-Wan and Anakin are so cavalier about jumping off mile high buildings and skycars during the chase scene.
Fun fact. The incredible cross sections book series claims that a single shot from a turbo laser from an Aclimator class star destroyer has a yield of 200gigatons, and the main turbolasers of a Venator class Star Destroyer has a maximum combined output of approximately 860 Teratons per second. That’s eight hundred and sixty million tons of TNT per second! For reference if all 70,000 nuclear bombs on earth at the time of the cold war were detonated at once in the same spot it would only equal a yield of 4.769 Gigatons. The meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs equaled a yield of 100,000 Gigatons. That is some insane BS.
Insane bullshit is exactly what it is aswell. If i remember roght tve numbers in question has been debunked as misscalculated by alot. Aw well its the classic adding tech into my fantasy story and it not making any bloodu sense
@@katherinespezia4609 they have been otherwise a single blast of a turbolaser upon a planet whould glass it which they dont amongst other things. This is about as correct techwise as the coolers Our Lad above did a whole ass video about. The idea that a star destroyer can output nearly enough energy to that level whould litterally mean that the turbolaser towers whould melt after one shot aswell since where talking about something many thousends times hotter then a fucking sun. And this is why you dont throw tech inside science fantasy or "space operas" cause it never made sense
The Incredible Cross Sections books are responsible for a LOT of power creep and silly or dumb claims that are never mentioned again anywhere else. They can and should be discounted.
why most star wars ships (even rebel one's) have exposed bridge towers is actually reasonable, the ship has to fit a hypermatter reactor just below in the ship so that it can be powered, this reactor gives of Ludacris amounts of power, radiation and heat. so much so that if you put shielding around it it would start a meltdown, so a massive amount of the ships mass is intended to disperse this across a massive surface area the tower is a safety feature designed to protect the command crew in case of a reactor breach. sw ships are designed heavily around this safety hazard
@@AnonD38 wouldn't that block that path of any guns on the ventral side? (Does the Venator even have any?) Plus, SW ships always face prograde, so by tilting down you're no longer heading directly towards the enemy, and you're presenting them with a bigger target There's probably more reasons why superposed guns are better, but that's what I could think of off the top of my head
@@347Jimmy well they’re not using the ventral guns anyway (if there actually are any), also a difference of 1-2 degrees means they are still practically heading towards them it just isn’t a direct ramming course anymore also also they wouldn’t present any bigger a target then they‘ve already been doing btw not superposing them allows them to do the same when attacked from behind just that they have to lean up instead of down
@@AnonD38 not using ventral guns at the same time is stupid Not having ventral guns is stupid Having to turn your whole ship instead of turning your gun turrets is stupid All of your ideas here are just crap The Arquitens is a better design
Dockmaster, this channel is a joke. Thank you for it. You never fail to improve my day with at least a small chuckle or two. Keep slaughtering all the cows. Make the videos more of an abbatoir than the Event Horizon. Metaphorically speaking, we don't need you getting banned.
Umm actually, the Republic version of the arquitens didn’t actually have a proper hangar. I’m pretty sure not all imperial variants had a hangar either, as the variant shown in the mandalorian was a very late version.
The official documentation on the Arquitens was sufficiently erratic as to annotate that the Old Republic types carried /TIE/ fighters in their hangars - no, that's not a typo - so I kind of threw up my manipulators about all the variants and varieties and models.
@@tssteelx I was going to mention that. I think Gideon's cruiser does what disney always does, click the corner of .jpeg of a SW vessel, expand it 25-50% and say, 'Ta-da! new ship!" that was 14 foot tall window, and vaulted ceilings everywhere...
@@nicklaskurzweil Yeah, it is a Class 546 Cruiser. Doesn't have an official length but fanon measurements have it at either 300-400m ( only a little larger than the Arquitens itself ) or about 600 meters, depending on what you base the measurement on. Which would also mean the main guns are significantly larger, and assumedly more powerful.
The Argh-kittens is a fantastic ship and they desperately need more screen time. It's a nice versatile little design, presenting a credible but not overwhelming threat. It can meaningfully contribute in larger fleet actions, or shine in small solo actions. And for everything except raw anti-fighter fire output it outshines the more popular Raider (though to be fair that's screen time has been limited to games). Particularly as the ISD is just too big for most star wars plots. Seeing a handful of rebels constantly defeat them is just ridiculous.
Well, that's a cruiser for ya. They're big enough to be threatening to anything that doesn't warrant a fleet of escorts (Imperial naval doctrine _sucks)_ while small enough that you can lose a few without compromising you in fleet actions.
The big downfall of the on screen Empire and First Order fleets is they are usually just copy pasted one ship a dozen times and then one gigantic super ship. A single Star Destroyer with a couple of these as escorts or some of the smaller ships like the Carracks and Lancers from the Expanded Universe makes more sense and visually is much more fun to look at
@@lordfrostwind3151 they also lack fighters that pose a tangible threat and have no point defense, perfect for the scrappy underdog heros to swoop in to shoot the weak point and save the day
"What is it with the Empire and no railings?" Simple, only the Hutts had Space OSHA an the Republic and later Empire turned their noses up at such a concept cuz "space slugs".
My thoughts exactly! Also, having no railings on platforms hundreds of meters above the ground, or over an open hold in space, means no silly slip and fall claims to deal with. ~Paperwork Reduction Act, Galactic Senate circa 1254 bby
the irony is starwars tech in regards to sensors/etc is akin to sonar/radar displays and limited cameras from what is shown in the movies/shows As for weapons, light/medium/heavy is variable. Both as regards to power output and scale. A light ion cannon is what the y-wing uses, a medium ion cannon is mounted onto something like the frigate/transports, and heavy ion canons are capital weapons.... but then you have the same categories in capital weapons related to damage output.
I believe the cat walk into open space is a launch bay for the dark troopers. I think Gideon’s ship is modified, as it’s apparently larger than an average arquitens
10:30 It's there cause the hack writers really wanted to throw some people out into space, and couldn't think of a good internally-consistent method to do so, so they just dropped a massive stupid hole in the hull because they thought it would make for a really cool scene.
The Republic Navy's thinking was to operate each Venator class Star Destroyer with a dedicated battle group of a dedicated single or pair of Arquitens class light Cruiser for escort/fire support duties along with a squadron of three to five Charger class Frigates to handle flanking attacks.
@@michelecastellotti9172 Yes. The military version in TCW is called Consular (class) Charger c70 refit. It's a bit longer than the original Consular. Outside canon (I think they were legends now), there are more than a few variations of armed Consulars/ships based on Consular class
The Arquitens, Venator, Acclamator, Imperial and a few other ships are built by the same company, Kuat Drive Yards its the reason for the triangular design motif.
@@user-ft3jq5vi2l There was a doctrine change between the Republic and Empire and the triangle design is not seen in ships not produced by Kuat Drive Yards.
@@hanzzel6086 I was main referring to the clone wars empire era, but yes there are non Kuat ship that have the triangle ship as you said the Harrower class used by Sith Empire.
So, with regards to the whole 'light' 'medium' and 'heavy' classification of weapons, I've always linked that towards real world naval weaponry that we have, based on WW2. "Light" capital ship weapons (turbolasers) would be equivalent to 6" and smaller naval cannons (such as those found on the Cleveland-class Light Cruisers, and then smaller guns (5") found on Fletcher-class Destroyers, all the way down to the 4" or so commonly found on older ships, british destroyers, and IJN destroyers... "Medium" would be that 6-9" range, such as Des Moines-class heavy cruisers (8"), and whatever weird french/german/japanese naval guns existed in that range as well. And above the 9" range would be the "heavy' guns. From early 9" pre-dreadnought guns, all the way up to the 18.1" Yamato guns (e.g. the super heavy turbolasers found flanking the Imperator-class Star Destroyer's command tower.) Then on the lower end, 4" down to about 3" is heavy lasers , 3" down to 2" is medium, and below that, 2" down to... 0.5" (12.7mm) are the light guns (mostly self-defense grade stuff, and common land vehicle weaponry.) Then of course, hand-held/blasters.... come in light, medium, and heavy varieties too...but thats a long, long book... BUT, it does give some reasonable context to the Arquietens' armament, Eight barrels of lets say, 6" (light) turbolasers; along with another sixteen barbette mounted 3" laser cannons; and four torpedo tubes (big boom, short range, so probably something like a 21" USN WW2 torpedo found on the Mahan or Farragut classes.) Which, lines up pretty well with a real-world post-WW1-WW2 light cruisers armament. And it has a small hangar too. So, it fits a variety of rolls quite well.
I'd say those mandibles are a hazard to a launching ship - unless they come with some sort of force-field accelerator in them. The side hangers are perfectly serviceable for non "hot" launches though.
@@TheMhalpern It would make sense and such things are often used in cargo manipulation so shooting things out is not unlike that function really. I really would like to know if the only reason many Star Wars ship lack belly guns is just down to the way the models were mounted as it seems such an odd choice to me - maybe someone couldn't get their ape brain out of a naval mindset and was thinking space ships "float in space" like ships float in water. But then capital ships also lack point defense guns in many cases which is just as daft - and one could also argue that some of the gun could likely do with being covered over when not in use too.
@@90lancaster yeah i've always wondered that to because venators seem to lack belly guns yet are supposed the ship the base delta zero protocol (read orbital bombing exterminatus) was designed for
I... actually can confirm this. Firsthand experience. OK, long story. There's this game called Space Engineers, which would probably actually be pretty popular on the SCS Discord server. Basically Minecraft In Space. So a few years back, I was in a group that ran a 3-faction war in the game over the course of a good 6 months, two 4-hour sessions per week. We went from the 3 factions dropping separately onto a planet with nothing but a survival pod to 2.5 full fleets of Frigate-class capital ships. Which, of course, went through multiple revisions. My ship was the fleet flagship for Red team, and while it was mostly configured for turret broadsides (going from mounting 6 turrets when first built, to over 150 by the end of the series), it also had a dozen rocket launchers mounted forward-facing on the nose. Which was the worst decision I could possibly have made, because firing rockets while the ship is under acceleration would cause the rockets to fly backwards and hit the ship itself. I eventually just removed them and left the space empty pending any ideas I might have in the future, because every time I tried to use the forward rocket launchers, I would blow off part of the front of the ship. Another member of the team took several of the design ideas I had come up with and perfected them in our gunship, dubbed "Stealth Is Optional," which ended up mounting a pair of forward-facing railguns instead of rockets, and used them to pretty good effect in the final episode.
The thing I LOVE about this ship is that it’s not a Star Destroyer. For all together too long all we saw of the Empire was Star Destroyers. Either your standard or the gargantuan Super-Star Destroyer. That was it. Any fleet worth a spit has variety. Tactically you need diversity to be flexible. Now we saw (or at least heard about) other classes in the expanded Universe, but it was always disappointing that we never saw them I practically jumped out of my seat when I saw this beautiful beast on the Mandalorian and look forward to seeing more practical Imperial vessels in the future!
People forget, that the Star Wars universe didn't see organized conflict in thousands of years and before that, it was not against fleets that fought off and on for years. Once made, those ships were what they kept using. Maybe one or two engagements and single ship combat, so they didn't generally use fleets. So the knowledge of how to make things function for combat was not refined - more they were made for terror or intimidation. You can see that just from the fighters used by the main antagonists. Humans on Earth have been using naval ships for combat for generations, redesigning and refining them so they (usually) get better. Now, look at the Star Wars criminals' ships. Those at least make more sense because anything that didn't have a use was torn off and discarded.
@@chalion8399 I think you make my point for me here. While large scale military engagements were a thing of the distant past by the time of the Clone Wars there were still a whole host of criminal organisations and pirates. On top of that a full third of the Galaxy was listed as uncharted. Having one class of ship, especially by the period of the Galactic Empire decades after the Clone Wars, was massively short sighted. In just about any situation a mix of escorts, dedicated transports, recon and even supply vessels are vital. A heavily armed super-carrier is impressive, but needs some support. Another “fun” aspect is that if you build a ship for intimidating purposes only it is often highly impractical. Once the shock and awe has warn off a Jack of all trades like that has dozens of flaws that can easily be exploited. As such the Tarkin Doctrine was quite possibly the single worst policy imaginable. Dreamt up by a career politician that had little to no practical experience and even less interest in reality.
I hear ya. Which is why I so liked the "Legends" novels, instead of the "New Order" SW movies. The novels show the SW galaxy was learning what war was about and how it needed to improve the ships and combat doctrine. Plus well, we really had some great novelists too.
I bet those little gaps in the "cargo hold" were something like a bomb bay or dark trooper orbital drop deployment bay, but idk why they would require one.
It could be a special modification for this particular ship to launch the darktroopers from. It doesn't make much sense otherwise. Granted, there's no reason why the darktroopers couldn't just use the fighter bay or just walk out an airlock, aside from that not looking as cool I guess.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ would allow for faster deployment of them if you packed the ship full of them or were using the hangars for other operations? Might complicate fighter deployment if you were also deploying your dark troopers out the same door I guess.
In defense of having windows on the bridge, machines break, eyes don't. It allows the commander to have a visual on the situation when the battle is up close and personal.
That's why you have redundant systems, so if one fails you have several others both analog and digital. You don't put windows on a submarine because the outside is deadly, why would you put one in space vehicles
You have shields right? Let that rule of cool apply. I bet most commander's love to give their guests a nice view of outer space from the bridge, rather than seeing a dark command bridge only a 100ft from the reactor (cause obviously put everything that requires maximum security in the same area)
One thing I love about the Thrawn Series is that Zahn talks about viewports having shutters that come down over them, **and** there’s a secondary command center deeper within the ship.
@@SacredCowShipyards because they did seem to fly into the bow of the ship. Hmmmm Also thanks for the reply. I’m not sure a creator has ever responded to me.
I read an exuse for the bridges somewhere in the old cannon books pre Disney. Since transparent durasteel is like 98% strength of normal durasteel the "glass" itself isn't an issue, just the comparative lack of armour. They argued that since ion weaponry or natural phenomena were so common and would knock out key electronic systems (also why most main guns were manually operated by droids/clones and not centralised) this meant that the officers could still see what was going on without sensors or cameras being online. Allowing them to use what systems were still active to full effect, and be ready to immediately use other systems when brought back online.
God do I love the Arquitens. It’s just a perfect little multirole ship, nice Jack of all trades, and actually master of of a few. Helps that it’s really, really cool looking. Also, your ramblings are hilarious as always. EDIT: My best guess for the weird drop hangar is things is ground deployment. It can fly in atmosphere, so even if it doesn’t have landing gear, it can probably drop some murder bricks / troop transports, if they can survive AT-AT cannons they can survive a 25 meter drop to the ground.
When are we getting into the ships from Iain M. Banks' "Culture" novels? Granted they're a bit difficult to illustrate, but I'd like to hear you rant about the _Clear Air Turbulence_ or any of the smaller ships.
Personally I'd like to see him go for "Of Course I Still Love You" "Just Read the Instructions" and "A Shortfall of Gravitas" for the simple reason because SpaceX named their drone ships after them and putting the pictures of the modified barges up in the lead up would be funny.
The general shape of the ship is basically a big diamond with a engine stuck on one side. Quite elegant really with the cannons positioned where the bulk of the hull doesn't completely get in the way of their intended duty, namely on the front slopes where they can fire forward and to the sides.
I'd make a joke about the empire not using railings but it'd fall flat, also it's beend done to death so instead i'll reminisce about discovering mecha musume (girls with tanks, plannes or ships bits strapped to them), at the time when Revenge of the Sith came out.
The Arquitens; the rare occasion that the Empire and the Republic's navy both did something quite sensible; build a ship which is both economic while still giving a fair bit of bang for your buck. I will quickly point out that it seems that the Imperial Arquitens got an extra pair of laser cannons on the ventral hull. It also seems that only certain variants had an internal hangar, while most variants had to just hold three TIEs in the fork of its bow. While I can't say that the extra guns were added just because some Imperial Admiral with their head screwed on was worried that Tarkin was going to mothball them because they didn't fit the Tarkin doctrine (which is a subject I'm looking forward to), it definitely helped give the ship some extra firepower. All in all, I think the Arquitens is a good ship. Personally, I would strip out the broadside batteries and either upgrade the ventral turrets or add in more missile batteries and bring the bridge down a bit more so it doesn't end up being rammed by an A-Wing, but that's just me. Also quick shout-out to the Gazonti Class; it ain't pretty, but when you need extra Star fighters for a patrol floatilla or something for Logi work, it isn't a bad choice.
About the ventral hangar/catwalk at the 10:30 mark. It seems to have a inner blast shield door that can close, suggested to by the angular tooth design on the edges. So maybe it was left open at that point for tie fighters to launch.
8:30 that reminds me of something I saw about a lot of US Navy ships, and probably many others too. You have the obvious bridge, which is great for sailing and such, but to command the battle there is a war room deep inside.
Nowadays that distinction is between the "bridge" and the "command information center". The latter /could/ drive the ship, but it's strongly disrecommended.
How would I describe this channel? Imagine someone who knows physics and design ranting at 'Science Fiction Ships" in the way that a historian rants at a Mel Gibson historical epic!
Starship Trooper's biggest limitations where budget, technology to do the movie, and the fact it was originally an unrelated script called "Whisky Outpost" that was retrofitted into being a Starship Troopers movie after the first draft.
@@absalomdraconis Couldn't even finish the first chapter, which makes it no wonder he think's it's fascistic despite the fact it actually describes a liberal's view of a utopian society.
Thank you for these vids. :) I started thinking about optimising turret placement for the Arquitens to maximise both forward and broadside power. I wandered through offset placement (retain one in the current position and move the other toward the bow, say). Then I thought, "Why not just put them both on the dorsal spine, one turret superfiring?" Sure, to have rear-firing main battery capability you'll have to remove the bridge, but we all agree that's a good idea.
Anyone else wondering what universe he was referring to at the start is it Warhammer or maybe Titanfall? Also if 2 of the heavy is equal to 4 of the light who cares it’s easier to shoot out the front two turrets on the venator than it is to shoot out 4 separate turrets on opposite sides of the ship and if you take out the front two on the venator there is a very good chance that the other 3 behind it are useless because guess what they can’t shoot past the destroyed one in front of them (Can you due the separatist ships (I don’t know how to spell it but I’m gonna try) like the mulificent I think that would be pretty neat)
Ooh, I hadn't even considered the perils of disabling the Venator's turrets. Amusingly, some models have them bunkered in with hull structure /around/ them, so not even the forward ones can shoot directly... well... forward.
My assumption on the floor openings is that those are drop bays for troopers or droids equipped with jetpacks to deploy rapidly out of. You could have two lines of troops march down the entire length of the gangway and then simply step off either side, to drop immediately into a combat zone, or drop to planetary surface while the ship is in atmo or low orbit. We don't see the ceiling of that area very well, it's possible there are cable mounts up there allowing troops to tether up or down through the force shield quickly. Such a facility makes sense in a setting without star trek transporters to beam places. I also suspect the walkway is a gangplank that can be retracted, allowing larger cargo to pass through the opening.
I always liked that video on the Venator as god people defend and stick up for that ship sooo much even though it's basically a space version of Kiev-class carrier and there is a good reason those didn't catch on. The Arquitens is a light cruiser which only tries to do light cruiser things and outside of dealing with plot armour seems pretty good at it's role, compared with the Venator which tires to do everything and requires ungodly levels of plot armour to be effective.
depends on what you want. the venator was basically everything and nothing good besides maybe carrying . hell the victory a ship less massive severly outgunned the venator because the venator sucknin straight up ship to ship combat on its own. then ces the Imperator amd does literally everything the venator did but better more tanky, more guns , faster in acceraltion not manover and had less fighters that could be carried by another dedicated carriers.
Pretty sure this is the kinda ship I'd be pumping out if I knew the only current threat was some rebels and I was making payments on a death star. A ship you can reasonably expect to deal with small time rebels, or find larger cells.
Batting 500 is an amazing batting average. Every major Leaguer would give their eyeteeth for that. As for "that particular universe", I think it's been done to death. However getting you to 100000 subscribers would be nice.
The Arquitens in The Mandalorian was a modified version, I believe. I read somewhere that it was specialized to work as a deployment platform for those droids. The catwalk you criticized looked like the drop bay for the droids where they walk out onto the catwalk and step off, which would explain the lack of railings. If it were real and not a space fantasy, the mandalorians likely would have ignored a sign somewhere that says "Keep clear while door is open." No idea why the doors were left open though, the moff isn't very good at handling security it seems. I think the forward hanger also was a result of that ship being modified. It definitely wasn't standard, which would make sense with the size of the ship. There's no way its going to be able to hold more than a few TIEs at most, especially since they're already somehow making room for those droids and whatever equipment they needed to power and maintain them. (The Dark Trooper droids were supposedly very power hungry)
By sending the tie out from the front right into the line of fire of both the acetens and your target you can use it create a protective cloud of chaff to obstruct hostile sensors and targeting saving you from missiles.
The empire does mostly field the version without a hangar as the ones in rebels can only carry fighters and dock shuttles using the front mandibles, they never show how crew (dis)embark though as they clamp onto the wings with no visible docking tube, so do pilots have to perform an EVA action every time they need a bathroom break?
for the ties there's a docking bridge built into the clamps, but i imagine when on duty pilots wear a diaper. with the shuttle, there may be alternative access points for when docked
Full Darkside means no health and safe regs. If you're clumsy enough to trip and fall into the vacuum of space you were never any use to your betters anyway.
I just love on how this guy compliments ships and trash talks them simultaneously I am a Star Wars fan and I haven’t really thought about the practical design of the Arcquitens cruisers.
I'm not sure if I remember this correctly but I think the bridge problem was answered back then in the Extended Universe. If I remember correctly the Turbolasers, back when there was no legends and canon, were said to be so powerful that armor was basically useless against it the only reason why there even was armor was to defend against missiles and such So shielding was the only effective counter to Plasma Weaponry so it didn't matter if the bridge was exposed or not once those shields were down it didn't matter either way.
Reminds me of the line in _The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ about some good-looking ship: "Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow."
I might be wrong but I think the compartment you talked about at the end (walkway into space) might have been for Republic Rocket troopers to disembark/reembark during missions
Someone who can draw, PLEASE start drawing the starwhores ships compressed into a cube and send them to SCS. Actually, ANY ship that turns out to not make sense should be 'cubed'!
@@TheMhalpern Do a before and after, with the borg 'parts' sticking out the side, once it has been compressed. (I figured that was what you were talking about.)
So the dislike of the idea to separate the primary command centre from the starfighter operations centre on the Venator class is not shared by everyone. Look at the Royal Navy's new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier. These Ships got individual structures to house the ships' navigation bridges and and flying control centres.
@@grayscribe1342 And on real Carrier the Systems to operate aircrafts are very exposed against enemy fire. In Star Wars not so much. A Star destroyer's Hangars and Fighters are mostly protected deep in the Ship.
the interesting thing about star wars vessels is the disparity in hull volumes to gun size, compared to, say, earth naval vessels. after heavy TLs you either add more barrels to each turret or mount some seriously oversized spinal or lateral megaweapon
Arquitens-tan? I'm not into that stuff, but I remember learning about that style when I ran across Vista-tan (among OS-tans) many years ago. The colors and transparency of the outfit was thirst-making, but there was just something about Opera-tan that made me want to breakup with Internet Explorer.
Star Wars construction uses Transparasteel, which is just about as tough as the other stuff they are making the ship out of. So the crew gets a nice view of the planet they are orbiting or the vastness of space while still being protected by steel.
Ah yes the Arquitens a light cruiser. It should be a frigate as a CR90 could do the same function with less crew required. Hey at least with my Gundam examples last video I didn't ask you to cover it.
Honestly, you really have to go looking to find ships that _don't_ have an unreasonably exposed bridge. There are examples, of course, but they are definitely few and far between.
Honestly I have yet to see a sci-fi ship that makes at least 80% of good sense. And I have sort of hated this one since I first saw it to so... Also just to be an ass, I predict much more ship girl art in your future.
Neither here nor there but the more I look at the ship the more I see the Millennium Falcon writ large. Thank you for the content may the almighty cube machine abide.
The holes in the floor that are so strangely placed are in that specific ship there to be drop pod bays for the dark troopers. It is the only ship so configured and yes, it is stupid. But this is what happens when everyone wants to make there own drop pods.
10:00 - guy is asking what this room/not a hangar is for. I can't say for sure, but from what I remember, there were Dark Troopers (see Star Wars Dark Forces) on this ship/in that episode and they could be launched from this room/port. It even looks like there are spots for them to be held separately until deployment.
The drive section makes a lot of sense if you consider it might be from an attempt to either utilize existing Consular Class drive sections or an attempt to just scale them up and utilize the existing (Non-KDY) designs. I dont think we’ve ever seen an on screen size comparison between the Arquitens and the Consular
Consulars are 115m long, Arquitens are ~300+, so there's a lot of scaling, and then even more, since the drives look bigger on the Arquitens than they do on the Consulars.
Talk Abt the procurator class cruiser. Pretty much a smaller isd with battleship turret mounts on the dorsal side, which makes it better at forward combat
Could you go over the ships from a game called dreadnought? Id love to hear about what you think of their designs. Its free to play and you can see all the ships and their modifications from the beginning
Fun fact the centers main gun have decent tracking and can cause blast shots to explode like flak so its a bunch of rapid fire flak 88s cause it was vs a faction that spammed droid fighter swarms
This is one of my favorite Star Wars ships, probably because it makes a lot of sense. The Venator-class is cool in personal opinion, but it is just a supercarrier with a battleship attached to it as an afterthought, while the Imperial-class is a battleship that carries TIE fighters as its AAA armament. The Arquitens is like a show designer went "hey you know what these two fleets need, a destroyer analogue." That is just great.
I really like the Dreadnought class heavy cruiser personally
I'd argue that the _Venator_ only has a cruiser's armament, rather than a battleship's. But that's quibbling.
I've always considered the Venator-class to be basically the Star Wars equivalent to the Lexington-class carriers from WW2. It's a dedicated carrier with a bunch of design flaws due to folks not knowing how to aircraft carrier yet, but has enough going for it to stick around. So there's a whole bunch of ideas the designers had that just didn't pan out due to being impractical or not needed (the hangar catapults for the Lexington, the massive bay doors for the Venator).
And then the guns. Both ships seem to have been designed around packing fairly large gun complements "for self defense" that frankly were a complete afterthought and unneeded. The while the Lexington packed Heavy-cruiser caliber guns, the mere act of firing them would likely damage the hangar deck, not to mention their poor firing arcs and heavy offset from the centerline. The Venator is even worse, with an even larger gun battery that is just as useless, yet somehow convinced Republic Captains that the Venator was a cruiser. No! You're a bloody carrier made of wet tissue paper and slightly above average shielding (cause the ship is never capable of using the full power dedicated to guns).
@@oracleofspace3931 That is a good example. From what I understand the Lexington-class aircraft carriers began construction as battlecruisers and were then changed to carriers during their construction.
@Oracle of Space it would be really cool if the Empire or First Order took the design of the Venator and improved it specifically to be a dedicated carrier. Fix the hanger door, ditch the broadside turrets and replace them with missile turrets or better point defenses, then reuse the power saved on turbolasers to give it better shields.
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They're called Kanmusu (literally "Ship Humans") in Japan, but they actually started out in the 1920's as propaganda tools for the IJN and then the idea was quickly adopted by both the Italian and German Navy's. Apparently the Captain of the Bismarck was so infuriated by it that he, in nearly every written or radio communication, would lambast any mention of the Bismarck's propaganda counterpart and that fact that it was female - Bismarck in history was, of course, a dude, and the captain was really defensive about it.
T h e M o r e Y o u K n o o o o o o w...
I find that endlessly entertaining, while at the same time abhorring the art practice.
I can't believe that around wwi there were germans complaining about anime waifu bismark, history is just crazy sometimes
Wait, you're telling me that ship girls were a thing before kantai collection and azur lane?
Wait.
This nonsense started /before/ your United States nuked your Japan?
... I am so confused.
@@SacredCowShipyards The nuking only accentuated what was _already_ there. Except for puritanism, that was definitely more of an import. I still find it that legally sexually explicit material has to be censored, instead of just trying to outright _ban_ pronogrtaphy. It reminds me of the wire surrounding a portion of NYC so Jewish people can go out on the sabbath. Because apparently you can believe in an almighty omnipotent sky-daddy, but also think 'I can totally outsmart a god on a technicality and do what is forbidden anyhow!'
Humans are confusing creatures who follow their own illogical logic and are consistently inconsistent.
My personal headcannon is that the lack of things like railings in Imperial design is a side effect of the Tarkin Doctorine, the Empire's military philosophy, which emphasises ruling through fear via the projection of overwhelming strength.
This obsession with the appearance of strength has lead to features such as safety railings being seen as an implicit admission of weakness, and so Imperial designs don't mostly have them.
My favourite bit about Star Wars is that the Empire literally has a rule of cool excuse, which makes a surprising amount of sense, in their own military doctrine, which can be used to retcon all their terrible designs, e.g:
The Tie fighters are cheap garbage making them only good in swarms- swarms are big and scary, thus Tarkin Doctrine.
The Star Destroyers are unnecessarily massive making them tactically flawed- they are big and scary, thus Tarkin Doctrine.
The SSDs and Death Stars are insanely massive making them tactically useless- they are bigger and absolutely terrifying, thus Tarkin Doctrine
Hmmm, I can buy that excuse. Its a lot better than my own headcannon about not having railings. (i.e. OSHA has long been deemed counter productive to population control and long, long ago the galactic government decided that if you are stupid enough to fall off a platform and plummet to your death in space then you don't deserve to be a citizen.) 🤕😈
There was a joke once in one of the comics, that there were no hand rails on the Death Star, because with the sheer number of pits, catwalks and shafts in the Death Star, adding hand rails would have raised the construction costs by about 60% and it was already cripplingly expensive as it was
Considering tractor fields are used both as structural support for CIS drop ships and civilian speeder seat belts, lining walkways with them seems very appropriate.
@@pretzelbomb6105ironically, that was the excuse presented in the parody webcomic Darth &Droids, which posits that Star Wars never existed and reframes the movies as being people doing a space themed TTRPG.
When someone questions the lack of railings on Coruscant, one of the players theorizes that they use tractor beams and force fields around every building to act as safety nets that slow and guide falling pedestrians to safety. The DM basically endorses this.
It comes back later during the Attack of the Clones arc to explain why Obi-Wan and Anakin are so cavalier about jumping off mile high buildings and skycars during the chase scene.
Fun fact. The incredible cross sections book series claims that a single shot from a turbo laser from an Aclimator class star destroyer has a yield of 200gigatons, and the main turbolasers of a Venator class Star Destroyer has a maximum combined output of approximately 860 Teratons per second. That’s eight hundred and sixty million tons of TNT per second! For reference if all 70,000 nuclear bombs on earth at the time of the cold war were detonated at once in the same spot it would only equal a yield of 4.769 Gigatons. The meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs equaled a yield of 100,000 Gigatons.
That is some insane BS.
Insane bullshit is exactly what it is aswell. If i remember roght tve numbers in question has been debunked as misscalculated by alot. Aw well its the classic adding tech into my fantasy story and it not making any bloodu sense
@@Zretgul_timerunner The numbers were not debunked and there's actually some pretty heavy math that went into calculating them.
@@katherinespezia4609 they have been otherwise a single blast of a turbolaser upon a planet whould glass it which they dont amongst other things.
This is about as correct techwise as the coolers Our Lad above did a whole ass video about.
The idea that a star destroyer can output nearly enough energy to that level whould litterally mean that the turbolaser towers whould melt after one shot aswell since where talking about something many thousends times hotter then a fucking sun.
And this is why you dont throw tech inside science fantasy or "space operas" cause it never made sense
The Incredible Cross Sections books are responsible for a LOT of power creep and silly or dumb claims that are never mentioned again anywhere else. They can and should be discounted.
@@ohilevoeauca789 this exactly
40 seconds in, and he kills my plan of asking for a starship trooper video every day. *crawls into the cuber*
Dreams are just one thing we crush here.
The comparison is totally fair-
It's not about the level of firepower, but the proportion of that firepower that can be directed at a single target
why most star wars ships (even rebel one's) have exposed bridge towers is actually reasonable, the ship has to fit a hypermatter reactor just below in the ship so that it can be powered,
this reactor gives of Ludacris amounts of power, radiation and heat.
so much so that if you put shielding around it it would start a meltdown, so a massive amount of the ships mass is intended to disperse this across a massive surface area
the tower is a safety feature designed to protect the command crew in case of a reactor breach.
sw ships are designed heavily around this safety hazard
yeah let's all just forget the Venator can lean down by like 2 degrees and boom all canons can hit their target (Space isn't 2 Dimensional)
@@AnonD38 wouldn't that block that path of any guns on the ventral side? (Does the Venator even have any?)
Plus, SW ships always face prograde, so by tilting down you're no longer heading directly towards the enemy, and you're presenting them with a bigger target
There's probably more reasons why superposed guns are better, but that's what I could think of off the top of my head
@@347Jimmy well they’re not using the ventral guns anyway (if there actually are any), also a difference of 1-2 degrees means they are still practically heading towards them it just isn’t a direct ramming course anymore also also they wouldn’t present any bigger a target then they‘ve already been doing
btw not superposing them allows them to do the same when attacked from behind just that they have to lean up instead of down
@@AnonD38 not using ventral guns at the same time is stupid
Not having ventral guns is stupid
Having to turn your whole ship instead of turning your gun turrets is stupid
All of your ideas here are just crap
The Arquitens is a better design
Dockmaster, this channel is a joke. Thank you for it. You never fail to improve my day with at least a small chuckle or two.
Keep slaughtering all the cows. Make the videos more of an abbatoir than the Event Horizon.
Metaphorically speaking, we don't need you getting banned.
Umm actually, the Republic version of the arquitens didn’t actually have a proper hangar. I’m pretty sure not all imperial variants had a hangar either, as the variant shown in the mandalorian was a very late version.
Gideons ship is actually a different type of ship, but based on the Arquitens design
The official documentation on the Arquitens was sufficiently erratic as to annotate that the Old Republic types carried /TIE/ fighters in their hangars - no, that's not a typo - so I kind of threw up my manipulators about all the variants and varieties and models.
Rebels shows a shuttle docking with the gap.... and i think a couple of external tie fighter docking clamps.
@@tssteelx I was going to mention that. I think Gideon's cruiser does what disney always does, click the corner of .jpeg of a SW vessel, expand it 25-50% and say, 'Ta-da! new ship!" that was 14 foot tall window, and vaulted ceilings everywhere...
@@nicklaskurzweil Yeah, it is a Class 546 Cruiser. Doesn't have an official length but fanon measurements have it at either 300-400m ( only a little larger than the Arquitens itself ) or about 600 meters, depending on what you base the measurement on. Which would also mean the main guns are significantly larger, and assumedly more powerful.
The Argh-kittens is a fantastic ship and they desperately need more screen time.
It's a nice versatile little design, presenting a credible but not overwhelming threat. It can meaningfully contribute in larger fleet actions, or shine in small solo actions.
And for everything except raw anti-fighter fire output it outshines the more popular Raider (though to be fair that's screen time has been limited to games).
Particularly as the ISD is just too big for most star wars plots. Seeing a handful of rebels constantly defeat them is just ridiculous.
Well, that's a cruiser for ya. They're big enough to be threatening to anything that doesn't warrant a fleet of escorts (Imperial naval doctrine _sucks)_ while small enough that you can lose a few without compromising you in fleet actions.
I cannot unsee that Argh Kittens pronounciation. May the Meow be with you. Always.
The big downfall of the on screen Empire and First Order fleets is they are usually just copy pasted one ship a dozen times and then one gigantic super ship. A single Star Destroyer with a couple of these as escorts or some of the smaller ships like the Carracks and Lancers from the Expanded Universe makes more sense and visually is much more fun to look at
Isn't the Raider a corvette tho...?So I would hope a light cruiser has more firepower than a corvette.
@@lordfrostwind3151 they also lack fighters that pose a tangible threat and have no point defense, perfect for the scrappy underdog heros to swoop in to shoot the weak point and save the day
"What is it with the Empire and no railings?"
Simple, only the Hutts had Space OSHA an the Republic and later Empire turned their noses up at such a concept cuz "space slugs".
The Hutts of course only invented Space OSHA as another way to collect bribes form people who wanted to ignore Space OSHA.
My thoughts exactly! Also, having no railings on platforms hundreds of meters above the ground, or over an open hold in space, means no silly slip and fall claims to deal with.
~Paperwork Reduction Act, Galactic Senate circa 1254 bby
@@earlware4322 or an invitation for more unwanted people to have accidents.
@@earlware4322 Maybe it is intended as a way to keep evolution going by weeding out the weak....
the irony is starwars tech in regards to sensors/etc is akin to sonar/radar displays and limited cameras from what is shown in the movies/shows
As for weapons, light/medium/heavy is variable. Both as regards to power output and scale.
A light ion cannon is what the y-wing uses, a medium ion cannon is mounted onto something like the frigate/transports, and heavy ion canons are capital weapons.... but then you have the same categories in capital weapons related to damage output.
I believe the cat walk into open space is a launch bay for the dark troopers. I think Gideon’s ship is modified, as it’s apparently larger than an average arquitens
It also works for jet pack troopers, because its a DROP BAY, and it technically is the larger successor to the Arquitens, its a number cruiser
Yeah, but the Dark Troopers pop out, and into, the main hangar.
The Arquitens was always one of favorites
I prefer the victory class
10:30 It's there cause the hack writers really wanted to throw some people out into space, and couldn't think of a good internally-consistent method to do so, so they just dropped a massive stupid hole in the hull because they thought it would make for a really cool scene.
Correct.
The Republic Navy's thinking was to operate each Venator class Star Destroyer with a dedicated battle group of a dedicated single or pair of Arquitens class light Cruiser for escort/fire support duties along with a squadron of three to five Charger class Frigates to handle flanking attacks.
So those 4 heavy turbo laser turrets on each side become even more useless
Charger? Where was that ship even shown?
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It's the armed version of the red Republic frigate from Ep1. Appeared in TCW show
@@KenTails you mean the consular class?
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Yes. The military version in TCW is called Consular (class) Charger c70 refit. It's a bit longer than the original Consular.
Outside canon (I think they were legends now), there are more than a few variations of armed Consulars/ships based on Consular class
The Arquitens, Venator, Acclamator, Imperial and a few other ships are built by the same company, Kuat Drive Yards its the reason for the triangular design motif.
As far as I know, the in-universe doctrine behind it is that it gets the most overlapping firing arcs for guns to fire forward
@@user-ft3jq5vi2l There was a doctrine change between the Republic and Empire and the triangle design is not seen in ships not produced by Kuat Drive Yards.
@@TheGoodOne1998 We actually see a lot of non-Kuat wedges. Like anything from the og sith empire.
@@hanzzel6086 I was main referring to the clone wars empire era, but yes there are non Kuat ship that have the triangle ship as you said the Harrower class used by Sith Empire.
@@TheGoodOne1998 In that case I must agree with you
So, with regards to the whole 'light' 'medium' and 'heavy' classification of weapons, I've always linked that towards real world naval weaponry that we have, based on WW2. "Light" capital ship weapons (turbolasers) would be equivalent to 6" and smaller naval cannons (such as those found on the Cleveland-class Light Cruisers, and then smaller guns (5") found on Fletcher-class Destroyers, all the way down to the 4" or so commonly found on older ships, british destroyers, and IJN destroyers... "Medium" would be that 6-9" range, such as Des Moines-class heavy cruisers (8"), and whatever weird french/german/japanese naval guns existed in that range as well. And above the 9" range would be the "heavy' guns. From early 9" pre-dreadnought guns, all the way up to the 18.1" Yamato guns (e.g. the super heavy turbolasers found flanking the Imperator-class Star Destroyer's command tower.)
Then on the lower end, 4" down to about 3" is heavy lasers , 3" down to 2" is medium, and below that, 2" down to... 0.5" (12.7mm) are the light guns (mostly self-defense grade stuff, and common land vehicle weaponry.)
Then of course, hand-held/blasters.... come in light, medium, and heavy varieties too...but thats a long, long book...
BUT, it does give some reasonable context to the Arquietens' armament, Eight barrels of lets say, 6" (light) turbolasers; along with another sixteen barbette mounted 3" laser cannons; and four torpedo tubes (big boom, short range, so probably something like a 21" USN WW2 torpedo found on the Mahan or Farragut classes.)
Which, lines up pretty well with a real-world post-WW1-WW2 light cruisers armament. And it has a small hangar too. So, it fits a variety of rolls quite well.
I'd say those mandibles are a hazard to a launching ship - unless they come with some sort of force-field accelerator in them.
The side hangers are perfectly serviceable for non "hot" launches though.
i think they are the accelerator
@@TheMhalpern It would make sense and such things are often used in cargo manipulation so shooting things out is not unlike that function really.
I really would like to know if the only reason many Star Wars ship lack belly guns is just down to the way the models were mounted as it seems such an odd choice to me - maybe someone couldn't get their ape brain out of a naval mindset and was thinking space ships "float in space" like ships float in water.
But then capital ships also lack point defense guns in many cases which is just as daft - and one could also argue that some of the gun could likely do with being covered over when not in use too.
@@90lancaster yeah i've always wondered that to because venators seem to lack belly guns yet are supposed the ship the base delta zero protocol (read orbital bombing exterminatus) was designed for
They are either accelerators or clamps for additional ships, depending on the variant of Arquitens.
I... actually can confirm this. Firsthand experience.
OK, long story. There's this game called Space Engineers, which would probably actually be pretty popular on the SCS Discord server. Basically Minecraft In Space. So a few years back, I was in a group that ran a 3-faction war in the game over the course of a good 6 months, two 4-hour sessions per week. We went from the 3 factions dropping separately onto a planet with nothing but a survival pod to 2.5 full fleets of Frigate-class capital ships. Which, of course, went through multiple revisions.
My ship was the fleet flagship for Red team, and while it was mostly configured for turret broadsides (going from mounting 6 turrets when first built, to over 150 by the end of the series), it also had a dozen rocket launchers mounted forward-facing on the nose. Which was the worst decision I could possibly have made, because firing rockets while the ship is under acceleration would cause the rockets to fly backwards and hit the ship itself. I eventually just removed them and left the space empty pending any ideas I might have in the future, because every time I tried to use the forward rocket launchers, I would blow off part of the front of the ship.
Another member of the team took several of the design ideas I had come up with and perfected them in our gunship, dubbed "Stealth Is Optional," which ended up mounting a pair of forward-facing railguns instead of rockets, and used them to pretty good effect in the final episode.
"asinine escape pods" Definitely gotta be starship troopers
I enjoy your ramblings. I listen to it while leafing through a catalogue of decommissioned ships for dice materials.
The thing I LOVE about this ship is that it’s not a Star Destroyer. For all together too long all we saw of the Empire was Star Destroyers. Either your standard or the gargantuan Super-Star Destroyer. That was it.
Any fleet worth a spit has variety. Tactically you need diversity to be flexible. Now we saw (or at least heard about) other classes in the expanded Universe, but it was always disappointing that we never saw them
I practically jumped out of my seat when I saw this beautiful beast on the Mandalorian and look forward to seeing more practical Imperial vessels in the future!
People forget, that the Star Wars universe didn't see organized conflict in thousands of years and before that, it was not against fleets that fought off and on for years. Once made, those ships were what they kept using. Maybe one or two engagements and single ship combat, so they didn't generally use fleets. So the knowledge of how to make things function for combat was not refined - more they were made for terror or intimidation. You can see that just from the fighters used by the main antagonists. Humans on Earth have been using naval ships for combat for generations, redesigning and refining them so they (usually) get better.
Now, look at the Star Wars criminals' ships. Those at least make more sense because anything that didn't have a use was torn off and discarded.
@@chalion8399 I think you make my point for me here.
While large scale military engagements were a thing of the distant past by the time of the Clone Wars there were still a whole host of criminal organisations and pirates. On top of that a full third of the Galaxy was listed as uncharted.
Having one class of ship, especially by the period of the Galactic Empire decades after the Clone Wars, was massively short sighted. In just about any situation a mix of escorts, dedicated transports, recon and even supply vessels are vital. A heavily armed super-carrier is impressive, but needs some support.
Another “fun” aspect is that if you build a ship for intimidating purposes only it is often highly impractical. Once the shock and awe has warn off a Jack of all trades like that has dozens of flaws that can easily be exploited. As such the Tarkin Doctrine was quite possibly the single worst policy imaginable. Dreamt up by a career politician that had little to no practical experience and even less interest in reality.
I hear ya. Which is why I so liked the "Legends" novels, instead of the "New Order" SW movies. The novels show the SW galaxy was learning what war was about and how it needed to improve the ships and combat doctrine. Plus well, we really had some great novelists too.
the Dockmaster: What the fuck is this.
Me and my fleet of ship girls: A new recruit.
I bet those little gaps in the "cargo hold" were something like a bomb bay or dark trooper orbital drop deployment bay, but idk why they would require one.
probably the deployment area for the pair of troop transports seen at Tython.
It could be a special modification for this particular ship to launch the darktroopers from. It doesn't make much sense otherwise.
Granted, there's no reason why the darktroopers couldn't just use the fighter bay or just walk out an airlock, aside from that not looking as cool I guess.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ would allow for faster deployment of them if you packed the ship full of them or were using the hangars for other operations? Might complicate fighter deployment if you were also deploying your dark troopers out the same door I guess.
You definitely deserve the 100k dude, you’re videos are pure gold
In defense of having windows on the bridge, machines break, eyes don't. It allows the commander to have a visual on the situation when the battle is up close and personal.
Never discount the usefulness of the Mk1 Eyeball.
That's why you have redundant systems, so if one fails you have several others both analog and digital. You don't put windows on a submarine because the outside is deadly, why would you put one in space vehicles
And given the size of SW ships and how close they tend to operate, Mk 1 eyeball is very useful.
Combine that with the apparently rudimentary display technology used in the settings and windows are a must.
You have shields right? Let that rule of cool apply.
I bet most commander's love to give their guests a nice view of outer space from the bridge, rather than seeing a dark command bridge only a 100ft from the reactor (cause obviously put everything that requires maximum security in the same area)
I loved your intro. And am happy for your sense of humor.
One thing I love about the Thrawn Series is that Zahn talks about viewports having shutters that come down over them, **and** there’s a secondary command center deeper within the ship.
Thrawn was smart.
Which is why the Mouse sidelined him to a bit part.
Recommendation:
SSV Normandy. Both the SR1 and the SR2 from Mass Effect
God I love the Arquintens
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the general ship classes from the Honor Harrington book series if you've read it...
Oh sweet Jesus yes
The physics jankery the author employed to forcibly create "ships of wood, men of iron" in space make my processors hurt.
@@SacredCowShipyards Sounds perfect for a video then!
"... THIS is why aliens don't visit you, fuckers!"
So you're telling us we're achieving the desired effect? NOICE
Yay a new upload from one of my favorite channels
Thanks!
I think the walk way with the holes in the floor is for the deployment of the dark troopers as aren’t they flight capable?
I was about to say the same.. as is it's more of a mod for the DT's not a standard part of the class
They seem to pop out of the main hangar.
@@SacredCowShipyards because they did seem to fly into the bow of the ship. Hmmmm
Also thanks for the reply. I’m not sure a creator has ever responded to me.
I read an exuse for the bridges somewhere in the old cannon books pre Disney. Since transparent durasteel is like 98% strength of normal durasteel the "glass" itself isn't an issue, just the comparative lack of armour. They argued that since ion weaponry or natural phenomena were so common and would knock out key electronic systems (also why most main guns were manually operated by droids/clones and not centralised) this meant that the officers could still see what was going on without sensors or cameras being online. Allowing them to use what systems were still active to full effect, and be ready to immediately use other systems when brought back online.
God do I love the Arquitens. It’s just a perfect little multirole ship, nice Jack of all trades, and actually master of of a few. Helps that it’s really, really cool looking.
Also, your ramblings are hilarious as always.
EDIT: My best guess for the weird drop hangar is things is ground deployment. It can fly in atmosphere, so even if it doesn’t have landing gear, it can probably drop some murder bricks / troop transports, if they can survive AT-AT cannons they can survive a 25 meter drop to the ground.
This seems reasonable, given the Arquitens seems atmo-capable.
Personally, I came here for the rambling. This channel is alot of fun! Keep it up mate!
When are we getting into the ships from Iain M. Banks' "Culture" novels? Granted they're a bit difficult to illustrate, but I'd like to hear you rant about the _Clear Air Turbulence_ or any of the smaller ships.
Personally I'd like to see him go for "Of Course I Still Love You" "Just Read the Instructions" and "A Shortfall of Gravitas" for the simple reason because SpaceX named their drone ships after them and putting the pictures of the modified barges up in the lead up would be funny.
@@TheMhalpern ¡sí, señor!
The general shape of the ship is basically a big diamond with a engine stuck on one side. Quite elegant really with the cannons positioned where the bulk of the hull doesn't completely get in the way of their intended duty, namely on the front slopes where they can fire forward and to the sides.
I'd make a joke about the empire not using railings but it'd fall flat, also it's beend done to death so instead i'll reminisce about discovering mecha musume (girls with tanks, plannes or ships bits strapped to them), at the time when Revenge of the Sith came out.
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9:56 my guess? Repurposed from The Last Jedi set, we all remember the B-17s had a similar design.
Bite your mouthal appendage.
The Arquitens; the rare occasion that the Empire and the Republic's navy both did something quite sensible; build a ship which is both economic while still giving a fair bit of bang for your buck.
I will quickly point out that it seems that the Imperial Arquitens got an extra pair of laser cannons on the ventral hull. It also seems that only certain variants had an internal hangar, while most variants had to just hold three TIEs in the fork of its bow. While I can't say that the extra guns were added just because some Imperial Admiral with their head screwed on was worried that Tarkin was going to mothball them because they didn't fit the Tarkin doctrine (which is a subject I'm looking forward to), it definitely helped give the ship some extra firepower.
All in all, I think the Arquitens is a good ship. Personally, I would strip out the broadside batteries and either upgrade the ventral turrets or add in more missile batteries and bring the bridge down a bit more so it doesn't end up being rammed by an A-Wing, but that's just me.
Also quick shout-out to the Gazonti Class; it ain't pretty, but when you need extra Star fighters for a patrol floatilla or something for Logi work, it isn't a bad choice.
lancer frigates over gonzati every day. the gonzati is a civilian vessel and not original designed for anti elite starfighter defense ,the lancer is
About the ventral hangar/catwalk at the 10:30 mark. It seems to have a inner blast shield door that can close, suggested to by the angular tooth design on the edges. So maybe it was left open at that point for tie fighters to launch.
Could be, but the TIE's popped out the front.
@@SacredCowShipyards Or maybe its where the two troop dropships were docked.
Yeah, that's the most reasonable explanation so far.
8:30 that reminds me of something I saw about a lot of US Navy ships, and probably many others too. You have the obvious bridge, which is great for sailing and such, but to command the battle there is a war room deep inside.
Nowadays that distinction is between the "bridge" and the "command information center". The latter /could/ drive the ship, but it's strongly disrecommended.
How would I describe this channel? Imagine someone who knows physics and design ranting at 'Science Fiction Ships" in the way that a historian rants at a Mel Gibson historical epic!
Starship Trooper's biggest limitations where budget, technology to do the movie, and the fact it was originally an unrelated script called "Whisky Outpost" that was retrofitted into being a Starship Troopers movie after the first draft.
Also, the director apparently _hates/hated_ Starship Troopers _before_ making the movie.
@@absalomdraconis Couldn't even finish the first chapter, which makes it no wonder he think's it's fascistic despite the fact it actually describes a liberal's view of a utopian society.
Thank you for these vids. :)
I started thinking about optimising turret placement for the Arquitens to maximise both forward and broadside power. I wandered through offset placement (retain one in the current position and move the other toward the bow, say). Then I thought, "Why not just put them both on the dorsal spine, one turret superfiring?" Sure, to have rear-firing main battery capability you'll have to remove the bridge, but we all agree that's a good idea.
As always, the logical choice is just to do whatever Fractal Sponge and real life Navies have done
One turret on the forward dorsal and ventral slants, one turret where the bridge was, one turret under the docking bay.
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Also I hope you continue on with this 'joke' of yours awhile longer. It has been extremely enjoyable.
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Anyone else wondering what universe he was referring to at the start is it Warhammer or maybe Titanfall?
Also if 2 of the heavy is equal to 4 of the light who cares it’s easier to shoot out the front two turrets on the venator than it is to shoot out 4 separate turrets on opposite sides of the ship and if you take out the front two on the venator there is a very good chance that the other 3 behind it are useless because guess what they can’t shoot past the destroyed one in front of them
(Can you due the separatist ships (I don’t know how to spell it but I’m gonna try) like the mulificent I think that would be pretty neat)
most likely starship troopers
@@nicholasvogel9783 probably but who knows we’ll just have to wait and see
He's already done Warhammer, so it's probably Starship Troopers.
Probably Starship Troopers, but I have an outside bet that it's Halo.
Ooh, I hadn't even considered the perils of disabling the Venator's turrets. Amusingly, some models have them bunkered in with hull structure /around/ them, so not even the forward ones can shoot directly... well... forward.
My assumption on the floor openings is that those are drop bays for troopers or droids equipped with jetpacks to deploy rapidly out of. You could have two lines of troops march down the entire length of the gangway and then simply step off either side, to drop immediately into a combat zone, or drop to planetary surface while the ship is in atmo or low orbit.
We don't see the ceiling of that area very well, it's possible there are cable mounts up there allowing troops to tether up or down through the force shield quickly. Such a facility makes sense in a setting without star trek transporters to beam places. I also suspect the walkway is a gangplank that can be retracted, allowing larger cargo to pass through the opening.
Would love to get your thoughts on the MCRN Donnager from The Expanse. That's a franchise that really thinks their ship design through, imo.
The drop pods in the starship troopers book are the best examples.
I was only listening to this vid at first, but as soon as I heard your rant at the end I knew it was some anime shit
Ayup.
The catwalk thing you mentioned could be used for either drop pods or cargo pods you could then launch down at the planet.
I always liked that video on the Venator as god people defend and stick up for that ship sooo much even though it's basically a space version of Kiev-class carrier and there is a good reason those didn't catch on.
The Arquitens is a light cruiser which only tries to do light cruiser things and outside of dealing with plot armour seems pretty good at it's role, compared with the Venator which tires to do everything and requires ungodly levels of plot armour to be effective.
I also like that the Arquitens can land to discharge its ground forces, and cover that landing with its turrets.
It's like a flying can of whup-sep.
The Arquitens is a Venator for people who actually want to Do Things.
depends on what you want. the venator was basically everything and nothing good besides maybe carrying . hell the victory a ship less massive severly outgunned the venator because the venator sucknin straight up ship to ship combat on its own. then ces the Imperator amd does literally everything the venator did but better more tanky, more guns , faster in acceraltion not manover and had less fighters that could be carried by another dedicated carriers.
Pretty sure this is the kinda ship I'd be pumping out if I knew the only current threat was some rebels and I was making payments on a death star.
A ship you can reasonably expect to deal with small time rebels, or find larger cells.
Batting 500 is an amazing batting average. Every major Leaguer would give their eyeteeth for that. As for "that particular universe", I think it's been done to death. However getting you to 100000 subscribers would be nice.
The Arquitens in The Mandalorian was a modified version, I believe. I read somewhere that it was specialized to work as a deployment platform for those droids. The catwalk you criticized looked like the drop bay for the droids where they walk out onto the catwalk and step off, which would explain the lack of railings. If it were real and not a space fantasy, the mandalorians likely would have ignored a sign somewhere that says "Keep clear while door is open." No idea why the doors were left open though, the moff isn't very good at handling security it seems.
I think the forward hanger also was a result of that ship being modified. It definitely wasn't standard, which would make sense with the size of the ship. There's no way its going to be able to hold more than a few TIEs at most, especially since they're already somehow making room for those droids and whatever equipment they needed to power and maintain them. (The Dark Trooper droids were supposedly very power hungry)
But their charging bay just has a door that leads to space.
They deploy and recover from the main ship hangar, and the only recorded modifications are a different bridge and MOAR ENGINEZ.
@@SacredCowShipyards SIze is also bigger... maybe. Size on the normal Arq was always vague, and the new one's even bigger.
By sending the tie out from the front right into the line of fire of both the acetens and your target you can use it create a protective cloud of chaff to obstruct hostile sensors and targeting saving you from missiles.
Unitaskers are for chumps.
The empire does mostly field the version without a hangar as the ones in rebels can only carry fighters and dock shuttles using the front mandibles, they never show how crew (dis)embark though as they clamp onto the wings with no visible docking tube, so do pilots have to perform an EVA action every time they need a bathroom break?
for the ties there's a docking bridge built into the clamps, but i imagine when on duty pilots wear a diaper. with the shuttle, there may be alternative access points for when docked
Full Darkside means no health and safe regs. If you're clumsy enough to trip and fall into the vacuum of space you were never any use to your betters anyway.
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Can you do some videos on the ships of The Expanse?
They're on the list.
@@SacredCowShipyards K. Keep up the great work
I just love on how this guy compliments ships and trash talks them simultaneously
I am a Star Wars fan and I haven’t really thought about the practical design of the Arcquitens cruisers.
Humies seem to have a thing for "tough love".
I would love to see the Resolute done from Exo-Squad by that is a niche show.
I loved that show so much always got up early before school to see it and technoman
I'm not sure if I remember this correctly but I think the bridge problem was answered back then in the Extended Universe. If I remember correctly the Turbolasers, back when there was no legends and canon, were said to be so powerful that armor was basically useless against it the only reason why there even was armor was to defend against missiles and such So shielding was the only effective counter to Plasma Weaponry so it didn't matter if the bridge was exposed or not once those shields were down it didn't matter either way.
Hey! Ship Wifu's are best wifus! Can _your_ wifu lay waste to _your_ enemies with a full turbo laser broadside? I think not! Argument over :P
Discussing drop pods without discussing Undying Mercenaries, will always be incomplete
I noticed that you mentioned that the cubing is now at the owners expense. Where people using your dock to dump derelicts
I noticed that as well.
Reminds me of the line in _The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ about some good-looking ship: "Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow."
I think when you have thoughts like "They really need a smaller size of ship." other thoughts happen too.
I might be wrong but I think the compartment you talked about at the end (walkway into space) might have been for Republic Rocket troopers to disembark/reembark during missions
Someone who can draw, PLEASE start drawing the starwhores ships compressed into a cube and send them to SCS. Actually, ANY ship that turns out to not make sense should be 'cubed'!
What if its already a cube?
@@TheMhalpern Do a before and after, with the borg 'parts' sticking out the side, once it has been compressed. (I figured that was what you were talking about.)
Just witch universe is it, that has the superior drop pods? That you can'nt comprehend!
So the dislike of the idea to separate the primary command centre from the starfighter operations centre on the Venator class is not shared by everyone.
Look at the Royal Navy's new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier. These Ships got individual structures to house the ships' navigation bridges and and flying control centres.
@@grayscribe1342 And on real Carrier the Systems to operate aircrafts are very exposed against enemy fire.
In Star Wars not so much. A Star destroyer's Hangars and Fighters are mostly protected deep in the Ship.
A decision that still boggles... a lot of people.
the interesting thing about star wars vessels is the disparity in hull volumes to gun size, compared to, say, earth naval vessels. after heavy TLs you either add more barrels to each turret or mount some seriously oversized spinal or lateral megaweapon
Arquitens-tan? I'm not into that stuff, but I remember learning about that style when I ran across Vista-tan (among OS-tans) many years ago. The colors and transparency of the outfit was thirst-making, but there was just something about Opera-tan that made me want to breakup with Internet Explorer.
Star Wars construction uses Transparasteel, which is just about as tough as the other stuff they are making the ship out of. So the crew gets a nice view of the planet they are orbiting or the vastness of space while still being protected by steel.
Ah yes the Arquitens a light cruiser. It should be a frigate as a CR90 could do the same function with less crew required. Hey at least with my Gundam examples last video I didn't ask you to cover it.
Id love the see some gundam ships on here. For sure a Gwadan class and perhaps some ESFS ships too.
Hey, loved it, could we get the munificent class frigate? It’s one of my favorites and I would love to see it get ripped a new one.
Honestly, you really have to go looking to find ships that _don't_ have an unreasonably exposed bridge. There are examples, of course, but they are definitely few and far between.
Would love to see you do the resurgence class battle cruiser (First order star destroyer).
Honestly I have yet to see a sci-fi ship that makes at least 80% of good sense.
And I have sort of hated this one since I first saw it to so...
Also just to be an ass, I predict much more ship girl art in your future.
Weabs always everywhere, lmao
But real talk a second, the person that make Arquiten is pretty cool guy, he also draw tactical girl sometimes
That ventral compartment was for the loading and unloading of Plot-tonium.
Hanger and launch facilities forward, reminds me of the Italian Treaty-era cruisers.
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You as well.
The best Joke is the one that keeps on going.
Neither here nor there but the more I look at the ship the more I see the Millennium Falcon writ large.
Thank you for the content may the almighty cube machine abide.
It's missing all the curves. Mostly it's the mandibles and the side docking clamps that force the similarities.
Would love for you to take a look at the Glorious Heritage Class ships from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda series.
Tbh this ship does make sense as it's quite modular. The fact it can be modified to deploy tie fighters. Makes it rather useful.
Aliens: "We come in peace to invite you to join the galactic community."
Weebs: "Your ship is my waifu now."
(Orbital bombardment commences.)
Yup.
The holes in the floor that are so strangely placed are in that specific ship there to be drop pod bays for the dark troopers. It is the only ship so configured and yes, it is stupid. But this is what happens when everyone wants to make there own drop pods.
Yeah, but they launched out of the ship bay.
10:00 - guy is asking what this room/not a hangar is for. I can't say for sure, but from what I remember, there were Dark Troopers (see Star Wars Dark Forces) on this ship/in that episode and they could be launched from this room/port. It even looks like there are spots for them to be held separately until deployment.
They popped out of and were recovered in the main bay.
Subscribed for the giggles.
Giving this one a like just for the title alone.
The drive section makes a lot of sense if you consider it might be from an attempt to either utilize existing Consular Class drive sections or an attempt to just scale them up and utilize the existing (Non-KDY) designs. I dont think we’ve ever seen an on screen size comparison between the Arquitens and the Consular
Consulars are 115m long, Arquitens are ~300+, so there's a lot of scaling, and then even more, since the drives look bigger on the Arquitens than they do on the Consulars.
that catwalk was probably for the black stormtroopers and is a unique feature to this ship
I'd love to see what you'd have to say about the Assertor class Star Dreadnought
This has to be the best long running joke on UA-cam outside of their censorship rules.
Talk Abt the procurator class cruiser. Pretty much a smaller isd with battleship turret mounts on the dorsal side, which makes it better at forward combat
I think the ventral bays we see on Gideon's command cruiser are for orbital or atmospheric deployment of the dark troopers.
Maybe, but they seem to deploy just fine from the main bay.
Could you go over the ships from a game called dreadnought? Id love to hear about what you think of their designs. Its free to play and you can see all the ships and their modifications from the beginning
Fun fact the centers main gun have decent tracking and can cause blast shots to explode like flak so its a bunch of rapid fire flak 88s cause it was vs a faction that spammed droid fighter swarms
Also the spinal hanger makes it able to hold more fighters cause it's mainly used as a carrier than a battleship