Can Novices Land Planes? - Mythbusters - S04 EP25 - Science Documentary
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2023
- Join the MythBusters on an exciting journey as we delve into the thrilling world of aviation myths and Hollywood action scenes. In this video, we put popular skydiving myths from 'Point Break' to the test, revealing the truth behind free-fall moments and high-speed skydiving conversations. Then, witness the daring challenge as novice pilots attempt a simulated landing with the guidance of air traffic control. It's a clash between cinematic magic and real-world aviation facts! Strap in for an eye-opening adventure that separates myth from reality in the skies.
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0:17
Plane: "Pull up!"
Jamie: "Yes, shut up!"
XD
When Grant happily says I'm alive, I'm alive. now I'm sad :(
y
me too
me too
@@karls8103He died on the 13th of july 2020
You're always that way
Same. :'(
I'm a private pilot and so, secretly hold a desire that when I'm on a commercial flight, the pilots have indeed had the fish for lunch! 🤣Ummm, although I hold a PPL, I was just JOKING about the second bit! 🤣
25:35
That one did kind of happen and revealed a problem. In 2005 Helios 522 suffered decompression which knocked out the pilots and passengers but one steward was able to maintain consciousness by bottled oxygen. Unfortunately he didn't know how to operate the radio and it was still tuned to the airport where the plane took off from which was by then far out of range.
@@MrMarinus18 I thought that the problem was that they managed to get into the cockpit (they're locked after 9/11) only when it was too late.
Shouldn't there be a safety thingy, like a ringer, and if nobody answers it from the cockpit in 10 seconds, it unlocks the door, or something like that?
EVERY PPL secretly hopes that one day they'll be on the flight where both pilots had the fish... 😂
Since this was filmed there has been an instance of aircontrol talking a novice pilot into landing safely, tho it wasn't a commercial plane.
the thing is it would never happen on a commercial plane, ATC would get some pilots involved and let the passenger (or probably a flight attendant and not some rando) to set up the autoland and all that needs to be done manually is setting idle thrust on the last 30 ft, the plane would do the rest
'Mentour Pilot' has done it and so did '74 gear' (talking a passenger down in an airliner (sim)). There are also multiple examples of this scenario happening and ending well in larger 'small' airplanes.
@@OLidartz a flight attendant would be as much a novice as the passenger. I doubt they get "flight training 101" as part of their cabin crew training. I mean, cabin crews probably switch plane types more than pilots, so would have to be familiar with EVERY type of jet out there.
@@andrewmurray1550 you are absolutely correct but I think they would rather have the flight crew do it than have a complete stranger inside the cockpit with the whole hijacking risk
edit: Also I think a flight crew might better understand what they don't know while some especially dim or brave passenger might think they can wing it
Though one real life instance kind of demonstrated a problem with the idea. In 2005 Helios 522 had it's pressurization system off and everyone fainted except for one flight attendend who kept himself conscious via bottled oxygen. He hoped he could revive the pilots but that never happened and he tried to fly the plane himself. Unfortunately he didn't know how to operate the radio to get into contact with AC.
For people who wonder why it said "Don't think" - it said "Don't sink", AKA plane is losing altitude and on a collision course with terrain so it tells the pilot to rectify that.
I read this comment at the exact moment it played in the video🤯🤯🤯
Too low to rain.
@@norbert.kiszka lol
No, it's Tom cruise telling you not to think, just do!!!
I want Jamie on my next flight!!😅
Or Adam… But i have more faith in Jamie on this one🤣Adam Often F up!!😁
Duuude Dankeschön for uploading these ! ♥️ love you
Your uploads❤!!!
So Many unseen for meeeee👌🏻
Thx 😎
Great examples of "Fear minus death equals fun" ;)
Gracias por el nuevo episodio
my wife got me an experience voucher for a flight simulator before. I got to do landings at 3 airports of my choice. picked Maho Beach in St Maarten, the old airport in Hong Kong and one in Innsbruck. it was so much fun and surprisingly easy considering I had a former BA pilot sat explaining it all step by step. would definitely recommend it, great craic
Wait it's available for the public?!
@bananian yep. Just Google "flight simulator experience" and you'll find anyone who offers it near to where you live. It only cost about £100
@@bananian If you've got enough money, why wouldn't it?!
That's literally how pilots are trained, and you don't need to have any secret contacts or anything to be a pilot. Only enough money.
Jamie searching for his speed while rolling at 360 knots
Tom Scott also did the talking a novice down part (also in a simulator) and he was successful.
The autopilot assisted run went pretty much flawless and the manual one is what would be considered a hard landing on the taxiway. (But smooth enough that the plane would survive)
Yeah, the autopilot is on for 99% of the flight, so the only issue is establishing communication with the ATC, and if you do that, you're fine.
@@frufruJ Autopilot? Can it auto land the airplane?
@@WhiteGeared only if both aircraft and airport has a ILS category IIIC. But thats rare and only on biggest airports.
Sounds like a normal Ryanair flight
The second skydiver was moving 200 km/h (130 mph) faster than Tory, which would probably have killed one of them if he had landed on Tory in the air as in the movie
But also it's important to remember they were jumping from a plane and not a balloon. A plane moves forward and can move over 300 meters in 15 seconds. So being able to find someone is nearly impossible.
But the falling person would also be travelling at the same sideway velocity so it would just be as if they fell out of a balloon.
the guy with the flappy ears,...🤣
18:06 i'm gonna hit the breaks he'll fly right by
Lots of small plane "rookie" landings on UA-cam. Golfing buddies. Pilot has a heart attack , novice friend gets talked down kind of stuff. I weep every time I watch one.
The closes known incident for a commercial jet happened to Southwest Flight 6013 , March 22, 2023, when a passenger who was a pilot for another aitline, helped with the radios when the captain had a medical emergency. The co-pilot still flew the plane.
But for small, non-commercial, airplanes it has happened several times when the single pilot has died during the flight.
It’s not unseen with small aircraft, happened a couple of times I don’t remember all specifics but I think there was something about a man and it’s wife he was the pilot and had a heart attack and his wife needed to land the plane by radio instructions.
@@jacobscheit4128 The Wikipedia article "talk-down aircraft landing" have at this time 6 incidents, the latest from 10 may 2022.
There are two incidents where the wife has taken over controls, May 2011 and April 2012.
Larger aircrafts have two or more pilots. So if one gets incapacitated (which has happened several times) the other crew take over.
I just remembered Helios flight 522 from 2005, where both pilots was incapacitated. When the flightattendant tried it was too late and the engines ran out of fuel.
@@a4d9 checked that flight 522 story in wikipedia. Wonder why flightattendant didn't check on pilots earlier. Tragic story. He had pilot license and but only had time to turn the plane away from Athens.
@@a4d9and the pilots tend to have different meals to prevent both of them falling ill from food poisoning.
But with big commercial planes, on one hand the cockpit is closed, and on the other hand the autopilot can pretty much do all the flying and whoever is sitting on the radio just has to put in the right values.
@@d4slaimlessduring the helios crash the problem was lack of oxygen, and the whole plane was effected, the attendant luckily had an oxygen tank, as for why he didn't intervene earlier in the flight before they ran out of fuel, the flight crew are locked into the area with the flight controls, by a very reinforced door for which there isn't any way of opening from the other side, it's meant to helping prevent hijackings, but in the helios flight it meant the attendant couldn't get to the controls in time
Lol they had autopilot engaged, as a flight instructor I was like there is no way. This makes more sense with an engaged
Please upload the supersize myth episode too
..at 21:30sec , the tires on that plane taking off were quite low in pressure....
this is actually normal
Jamie and Adam landed better than Tom Scott lol
Lol i remember that. Tom Scott is so goofy.
@@JizzyDipper Isaac landed his plane down my runway
@@zefsku3206 Sounds naughty.
Regardless if you can land a plane without ATC assistance (specific instruction on setting flight controls etc), you obviously still need ATC for clearance to land and following their directions etc. There's more to landing a plane than just....landing the plane.
All too confusing with setting the heading, flaps, thrust, airbrakes, rear stabiliser trim, gear down, and paying attention to stall and terrain warnings not to mention setting the correct frequency to talk to approach control or ground control or whatever at ATC.
True, but ATC can and will route around a plane coming in NORDO (no radio). That does happen from time to time. ATC will do everything they can to establish radio contact and sort things out in a less dramatic way, but ultimately they'll declare an emergency and just work around whatever the plane is doing. Whole lot of constraints go away in an emergency, and everyone works together to deal with the issue.
Likewise in an emergency, ATC will shuffle frequencies so that the ad-hoc pilot doesn't have to deal with reconfiguring their radio - the real issue is just establishing radio contact to begin with.
This scenario hasn't happened with a commercial airliner - that's one of the reasons why airliners have at least two pilots - but there are videos on UA-cam of quite a few incidents like this in general aviation. There's pilot incapacitated and non-pilot passenger having to take over, there's instructor incapacitated and student pilot having to take over, there's inexperienced student pilot on solo flight suddenly having to deal with in-flight emergencies, hell there's even at least one example of a solo pilot being temporarily incapacitated and then recovering and landing successfully.
I'm an experienced private pilot so I would understand the instruments and basics, but I would expect that if I had to take over, I'd have a 1:100 chance of landing safely, if not even worse.
I'd have a slightly better chance in a Boeing, because I know how to operate the radio, but if I didn't know how, I could easily turn the autopilot off by pressing the wrong button, and then crash the aeroplane.
A complete novice would be either unimaginably lucky or unsuccessful.
it little sad that they where in a hurry to get the plane down. there is time, better use up the fule and at least try to figur out the controls and instruments.
Hey, notice he said COMMERCIAL airliner.
Because it happened once where a novice pilot was on board a small plane and I don't remember why, but there was no one at the controls at some point and with the help of ATC he was able to take control of the plane and land it
Yes, there is a documentary video about it. The layman pilot was a friend of the incapacitated pilot and had been flying front-right as a passenger for many times. So he basically remembered the procedures and needed help only concerning details.
I think the night flying was unfair hard!
You could have solved the catch-up one with simultaneous equations.
I seriously doubt that was Jamie's first testing session in the sim with one talk through and one guided landing .... it was a butter landing? No way!....... I have done the same test before (provided it was on MSFS 2020)... where I basically guided every step of the take off and landing to a complete novice to the sim.... and it was near to impossible for a landing without AP engaged. ...
Oh no! Someone did something better than you! It must be a trick!
Get over yourself bro.
23:15 we all wish you still were... Rest in peace!
15:35 Buster was totally nose diving the whole way, I feel like if he was assuming a skydiver position then the freefall would take longer due to increased air resistance.. Definitely not 90 seconds though, unless they put a wingsuit on him.
Only one way to find out!
*Screams in free fall*
Tori and Grant doing Point Break 😎😎
at the beggining I couldn't pay attention because of a brazilian license plate with california tags and NODOUBT writen on it LOL nice!
a passenger has been talked down before but in a sesna
These days, to land a plane, you just need either to know how to switch radio frequencies or have a little luck and have it on the correct frequency and then ask assistance setting Auto Pilot and Auto Land - the plane will do it all on its own basically. This is the same way pilots land in heavy fog.
Not convinced on the 15 s catchup. You would still need to intercept them, reach the same speed, see each other, aim at an angle, etc........ The target also has to be unaware you are coming, and take no evasive manuevers. Busted, in my book.
I would give it a plausible.
It is possible to catch up to someone, but for it to happen like in the movie requires very specific circumstances.
- Intercept, yes dangerous as hell. Probably not that difficult to make contact though, just hard to make sure you survive afterwards.
- Same speed, nah just reasonably similar speed for a survivable mid-air impact. Relative speed 120mph would be certain death though, agreed.
- See each other, nah the second diver would see the first but not the other way around. Easy
- Target unaware, easy. Not expecting it at all, facing downwards, and completely unable to hear anything. I'd be astonished if the target did notice anything before actual contact
But yeah overall you wouldn't want to bet on it. I'd call it plausible from 15k feet, like yeah it could work, but there's definitely a high chance of catastrophic failure.
Would be nice to know , when they landed with help one time, could they landed after that experience without help.
no. because every situation is different so you kmneed to know or to be directed
@@GDR8895 I mean they know now , what speed to land and how slow to sink on the runway, when to get the nose up and how far, how to stear , break , slow down, landing gears.
But the Plane Typ might be different and causing problems, also every situation is diffrent due to how you get into the seat, there might be settings operating you do not know, wind speed does is only very rare to get used to for landing as far as I know.
There were some who did land in an emergency as newbies successful.
And I do know one did not make it, was a greek flight and a greek stewdess took controll over the plane, but under very hard circumstances, there was a CO2 problem on board and the person was lucky not to fade away, but he was for sure not really capable of doing something, just because of all the lack of oxygen and carbon dioxid poinsening
What they learned is the generic part of controlling the plane.
Getting the plane where it's supposed to go is something different.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Generally, in that scenario, if you manage to get the plane "on the ground safely" it's a win.
9:55 We don't get to see Adam's attempt?
Yes, a novice can land a plane. Plenty of videos online showing real life landings of novices.
Yes, GA aircraft. Never seen or heard of a commercial flt/acft landing by a non-trained pilot.
@@jackdoe3889 Commercial flights, nope, I wouldn´t want to be sitting in row 32, seat C with a non pilot trying to land thank you! But there is a guy on UA-cam who lands a commercial plane in a simulator.
He did say COMMERCIAL
It’s real shame they cancelled this show
RIP myth busters
I mean it ran for like 16 seasons or something. But it’s one of the best tv shows for sure, I love it. 💯😄
The movie: talking face to face one under the other. Mythbusters, talking several centimiters apart one in front of the other. I mean, didn't the even think of having the guy attatched to Grant to do the speaking? C'mon!
Air traffic controllers usually have no idea how to fly a plane.
True. There have been quite a few cases like this in general aviation, and ATC will generally get an actual pilot to talk the novice down.
I loved the Show Kari was perfect for Mythbusters I'll miss Grant, shoot man I'll miss em all.
RIP Grant 😢
That has happened in real life in England the old guys friend /pilot passed away mid flight and the old guy manage to get it down
They missed a chance with the livery to call it "Mythbustair"
Passengers have landed Smaller light commercial aircraft much like
Twin propeller planes that operate charters and sight seeing operations
Under Part 121 FAA law there can’t be only one pilot in the cockpit it’s classed as an emergency so the chances of loosing two pilots
Is practically zero
Honestly feel like Tori lost his best friend.
Part 121 is an airline operation
I want to go back
The last Point Break myth should have been busted as well as in the movie they did this from 4000ft . They wouldn't have had enough altitude to catch up in time .
Yeah but that element is the first myth (which was busted). They were testing the separate element of catching up a 15-second head start in freefall. Otherwise you'd also bust the second myth automatically because there isn't time for a proper conversation.
But even if you can catch up to the first "15 sec- Skydiver" and even if you can grab him. Would it be also possible to hold the grib if the parachut opens by 120? thats they forgot to test.
No. It wouldn't be possible. The forces have been calcultated (nobody wants to try) and even the strongest man alive wouldn't be able to hold on.
@@arturama8581 Thats what i also thought but theyshould mentionn it cause the original stunt included that siruation.
There's a reason why the pro diver went past them but didn't get close to actually intercepting - that would have been /way/ too dangerous to test.
9 out of 10 random people can land an airliner when they get instructions on the radio.
Idk how to feel rewatching these old episodes knowing grant has died
as a flight simmer this was painful to watch lmao
The free fall if you had your arms and legs and body flat there will be more resistance ,not Shure if ENUF but decently will make it a bit longer to hit the dirt so how come the first mith is busted..? The simulator drops neadle head position .as for speeking in the position in the movie of there faces facing each other with no wind between them to disrupt the vocal vibration message might be possible,,
"thats a bird, dude." no its a plane! no, its Superman!
Hilarious. Do you know how to open the cockpit door? Do you know how to move the seat so you can get in and reach the controls? Do you know how to tune the radio so that you can actually TALK to this magic controller? This would never ever ever work.
Well, for the door, there are flight attendants on board.
The seats should already be in a somewhat usable position and I personally wouldn't care, whether or not their placement is spot on in such a situation.
And as for the radio: some pilots teach the flight attendants how to operate the radio for this exact scenario.
23:14
RIP Grant Imahara
What about if auto pilot system failed Then getting talked down is plausible
why thay didunt be pushed karry out of the Airo-Plain ¿¿¿
It's easy if you're guided. If not.. goodluck...
Simple answer is YES! In western Australia a very young student had their tutor Pass out with need of medical attention and was talked in to land the plane and saved the mans life. FACT!
That guy Terry who directed Jamie and Adam in their attempts to land didn't look thrilled tbh.
In his defense, ATCs aren’t normally known for their ability to be easily thrilled and excited.
They’re all Jamies - normally not much difference between an angry controller and a happy controller.
@@jocax188723you know this seems fitting. For their work they should be calm and collected. I didn't mean that it was bad of him or something, it is just his look was that he'd rather they go do something more useful )).
Τοκατεστρεψες😂😂😂
I thought they did well with landing for beginners
Dont worry homie it will be ur turn one day too
What airplane does NASA simulate? I've heard Boeing vocal callouts, but I can't recognize the instrument layout, and Boeing airliners don't have joysticks like Airbus ones.
seems to be the Research Flight Deck Simulator
They described it as simulating a generic airliner.
"Just like the simulations"
Everybody can land a plane... ONCE. The tricky part is surviving your first landing to get to your second one.
It's a successful landing when the plane is on the ground and you can walk away from it.
@@HappyBeezerStudiosI didn't use the word "successful", nor does the title of the video.
@@HappyBeezerStudiosCommon saying among pilots: a good landing is one that you walk away from, a great landing is if you can still use the plane again.
The automated text didn’t get the “catch up diver” correct, it said ketchup diver. Doesn’t sound good
Idk, I think I could land a passenger plane
I got that dog in me
pick any average gamer flying flight simulation games and they would be able to land, and possibly also contact Denver Tower and request assistance
Yeah, contact tower and when they ask for flight experience, tell them low to medium accurate simulation and a generic knowledge.
That has been tested, and yeah they did well with assistance.
someone tell myth busters that Derren brown covered this.
Someone tell Derren brown that he's a wanker whose tricks are obvious.... That & this episode was filmed in 2006. Mythbusters covered this 4 years before the magic edge lord did.
Why do they talk about wind resistance? It is air resistance. Wind has nothing to do with falling down, unless you jump into a tornado. Why do they talk that sloppy?!
Within the diver's frame of reference it is wind, exactly like the artificial wind at the test facility. Otherwise that test facility wouldn't be useful.
There are a lot of favorable assumptions included in the 'talked down' scenarios. Most signfificantly, that the Air Traffic Controller knows anything about flying the particular airliner in question. Most controllers are not pilots. Those that are, are not qualified on airliners. So being able to explain what the instruments mean and how to use the controls and what speed to aim for in each phase and how to achieve it and use of flaps and such to slow down - nah... not so much... D'oh ... Next - how does the passenger establish communications - just figuring out the radios and headsets and buttons and frequencies is a challenge by itself - and then finding The ONE correct frequency that anyone nearby is listening on ... ?? Next - fuel reserves? Airliners often carry 'just enough fuel' to get to the destination and only another hour or so at best. This is a time limited exercise. Next - these scenarios are started close to an airport at a lower altitude - when the exercise is started at cruise altitude - just safely getting down to denser/safer air without damaging the plane is a challenge. So - successful as they were in these scenarios - the scenarios are heavily favorable to begin with. But, hey - if it makes passengers feel better so they keep flying - what the heck. Enjoy the myth. That said - there are real life cases of 'partly-qualified' passengers (experienced watching) on smaller airplanes, successfully doing this (google wife lands turboprop after husband dies of heart attack.). ✌🏼
The final comments about how much simpler it would be on the 'autopilot' also make huge assumptions. The complexities of automated modes and having anyone on the radio who knows what the controls look like on that plane and what happens if the wrong buttons or dials are turned at the wrong time - or the autoflight disconnects for any reason ... just sayin' this entire scenario is so far from a realistic simulation as to just extend the myth. 🤨✌🏼
In real cases like this in general aviation, ATC generally gets an expert on the radio to talk them down - either a flight instructor or at least a pilot who's qualified on the specific plane. Definitely not relying on ATC to have a detailed knowledge of the plane's controls and instruments.
Passenger establishing comms probably is the single most difficult thing, yes. And they did completely skip over that here.
Time-limited exercise for sure, but that's not really the limiting factor. Extra hour of fuel is about right (technically it'd probably be diversion plus 30 minutes), but that's a hell of a lot of time. If you're down to an hour of fuel then you're already at your destination which makes the radio stuff much easier, and if you're well short then you have more time and plenty of other places to land.
Given the choice, I would /much/ rather start this scenario at cruise altitude. Much safer, much easier. Leave the throttles alone, keep the wings more or less level, push/pull the yoke or flight stick to roughly maintain speed, forget about altitude, and you've got all the time in the world to figure stuff out and get in touch with ATC.
(for reference I'd probably count as "partly-qualified passenger" in your terms - did have a few lessons, have logged a few hours, but am not in any way a competent pilot)
Hang on a minute, one guy going 250mph approaching someone doing 120mph will have a speed difference of 130mph. If he contacts him, they will both die. It is no different than stepping out a car at 130mph. You are toast. So that myth is also busted because in the movie he caught up at slow enough speed to be able to make contact.
Well, then he would just need to break the descent rate... (Yes, that is possible 😄) Just follow the probably most important formation skydiving rule. What was it ? 🤔 Ah, yes: "LEVEL, SLOT, DOCK" 😄 Blue skies, my friends. And see you up there 🤙🏻
(Who the heck stole my parachute emoji??? 🤬)
2024May28: Monday. .
Should have tested jet fuel against steel skyscrapers frames, that’s a myth waiting to be busted.
Not much to test, honestly. First, the numbers that you're probably thinking of:
- In open air, Jet A burns around 1030C.
- Steel melts somewhere around 1300-1530C depending on the type of steel
= Therefore, Jet A burning in open air cannot melt steel
However:
- In confined spaces, eg. in a jet engine or in mostly-sealed air pockets within a building, Jet A burns anywhere up to around 2230C
- Structural steel loses two thirds of its strength by 600C, and steel in a skyscraper kinda needs that strength in order to not fail from the weight it's supporting. Especially with an extra few hundred tons of airliner to support, and with recent structural damage from a large kinetic impact.
- Steel, like any other material, gets hotter when bent and crushed. In most contexts this isn't significant, but it is relevant in a catastrophic failure involving fire and a whole lot of falling mass.
Why do these Myth Buster Yanks say "pair of shoes" instead of "parachute"? They do! Listen yourself.
Lol should of used a Boeing.. AirBus 👎.. BTW, it's Don't Sink, not Don't think 🤔 😂
Your quotation marks dont make any sence
Took them away, thank you
as a pilot i can say that anyone cand land a plane with tower information on ears. what a miserable documentary. plane lands by their own in all seconds. that bully had no power over the steering in last seconds as he said. only brakes. ONLY 🥳i knew this tvshow is crap but only now i’m sure.