Defence Lab Blackbelt DESTROYS Arguments That DL/KFM/Keysi Don't Work
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- Опубліковано 21 гру 2023
- David gives you an in-depth look at KFM, Defence Lab, and Keysi Fighting Method. He has a blackbelt in Defence Lab, has trained with Andy Norman, Grek, and Ruben in person many times; and has trained with Justo Dieguez several times in person as well.
For more context, check out our video where David and his friend, Edwin (old KFM brown belt), discuss the evolution of Old KFM into Defence Lab and Keysi, here: • What Did KFM Get Wrong...
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David has spent more than 30 years in and around the martial arts industry. Starting with more traditional martial arts such as Tae Kwon Do, Goju-ryu karate and classical (Japanese) Jiu Jitsu, David has since expanded into various other systems along the way. He has trained extensively in Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do, Israeli Krav Maga, various systems of Filipino Martial Arts such as Kali, old Keysi Fighting Method, and Defence Lab fight science.
David has also spent a considerable amount of time in teaching several of these systems. It is his belief that we all have the potential to not only have the means and skill to defend ourselves in dire circumstances, but that we should also use our training as a channel to better improve our everyday lives. David considers himself a lifetime student, and while he may be teaching, he is always learning and trying to improve.
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For all of you who didn’t watch the video all the way through before commenting, there is sparring in this video. IT IS JUST NOT IN A RING. We included multiple sparring shots starting at 29:34. But thank you for proving the point of the video in the way of not fully understanding something before running your mouth.
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Different classes with different instructors with different backgrounds all over the world, and so many people want to make definitive judgements off of less that 20 seconds worth of clips. Cool. No one said you had to like it. Want to see videos of these guys in a fight? Go find a class and ask someone to spar, I’m sure they’ll be happy to oblige. Make sure to record and post. But to demand that I prove something to you, outside of what I have found in my journey and then expressed in a video, seems like some people need to focus a little bit more on their own.
Thats not sparring....and you know that.
Are you really this delusional or is this some kinda act?
Nevermind. I just checked out the rest of your videos lol....carry on
@@GreenLighterStudiosSorry you don’t have anything better to do on Christmas than try to insult people.
If 29:34 is the pressure-testing we are kindly and respectfully asking for, then all my questions have been answered if this works or not.
There is no such thing as expert or black belt on the street as it were.
Forget the notion that traditional style training prepares you for effective self defence.
As an ex door man, prison officer & self defence instructor & well over 30yrs martial arts I can tell you that clean training one on one with rules prepares you for ring fighting.
Learning to strike, gouge, bite, head butt, elbow, knee from all angles & especially with multiple attackers better prepares you.
The shell guard is extremely effective for when footwork isn't available.
It ain't pretty when there's a crowd & you have to improvise & adapt quickly.
The shell is a damn good go to defence.
The advantage your traditional training gives you is when you get the opening to unload technique makes your strikes more effective.
Learn to fight dirty.
There are no rules so get that out of your head.
Doesn't matter how good technically you are if your not used to being grabbed n mauled.
yea but those people cannot admit that aka "all those years commited" do not work, pride doesnt allow them and sunk cost fallacy.
What do you mean by shell guard ? The defense lab shell guard ?
@BogalaSawundiris I mean there is more than one system that uses such a guard & we call it different things.
Same but different.
couldn't agree more.
So you spar with “dirty” techniques?
Very good editing, the color shifts and zoom/refocus are good techniques to keep the attention focused and reduce any strain.
Really thoughtful commentary. Thanks for putting this out there. Especially interesting to hear the mindset, theory, and approach. Can't get that from watching sparring online or showing up in a studio for a day or two.
People always talk like they're experts on the Internet, but you can tell the difference when you listen to someone with experience, who has given a lot of thought to their training.
I appreciate you
Seems like the easiest way to prove it works is to just show it working
Go to any amateur kickboxing event, offer to do an exhibition match with a kickboxer at semi contact with bag mits and head gear or whatever. Maybe rope off half the ring so its a smaller corridor like you might expect if fighting someone between car lanes in a road rage incident for a bit of added interest and just go at for 3 minutes. This would not only get many views for the channel but also work wonders to spread the word of its effectiveness
Win win
I think in a duel-type context, this system will not do too good against a kickboxer, because of the reach disadvantage
You don't understand man, Keysi is for THE STREET! If you try to punch somebody in the thigh in the ring, you'll go to jail! It's too deadly. Those fancing kickboxing techniques aren't going to save you when a gang of MS-13 sicarios gangs up on you and starts throwing sideways hammerfists at your shoulders!
@@The23Anonymousthen start the match at arms reach. You can’t 100% replicate a real fight- but you can see if some things have validity
This is awesome. I broke my neck in Bjj 8 years ago this February. I discovered DL after getting into Kali and Silat for revenge purposes. I really enjoyed this. Every system has flaws. But it’s good to know this stuff. I also do MDS now and it’s all helped me. Learn to smash my people.
you broke your neck??? Are you okay?
i also did bjj, i got both my arms ripped off. every system has flaws. now i do boxing.
Just busted my arm doing bjj but I'm glad I trained in it.
Nice break down, I appreciated that.
Glad it was helpful!
Actually love this video, You've got a new subscriber... I have the same problem countless times where people have opinions based on zero knowledge, practise or worse they're actually very good in one particular discipline... The very narrow-minded to think that if it doesn't work in their discipline it will never work
Love your clear explanations
Good information , thanks.
Interesting and unique system. Nice presentation. You got a subscriber. 🎉
Thanks, and welcome to our channel!
I would like to see and learn more about Defense Labs fighting techniques great vid, thank you. Peace
Good video, trained KFM in 04/05, then DL not long after the split in UK, ultimately work prevented me from continuing training, but so many people don’t understand the purpose behind these systems. I remember disco training, dark room, smoke machine, strobe lights, loud music, obstacles, training against multiple attackers- fuck you soon learn quickly in that environment.
I am saying this for years
You can not free sparr for home invasion. So you prepare and press test differently
You are right people tend to miss understand that DL is specialised on multiple opponents, close range, and generally in positions where other styles lack experience. 1 argument I commonly hear is you don't let 4 people surround you, no you don't but sometimes it happens. They also forget that Andy has stated on various occasions that DL is not an unarmed style.
A lot of the defence of the rest of the body is accomplished by moving.
Well done mate, thanx.
40 years training in martial, teaching french boxing, muay thai, passing in the inosanto académy for the Jun Fan, training from 1992 in Kali escrima, stick and knife, for sur in Défense Lab you can find very very good thinks, especialy against several person. I recognize panantukan concept in order to destroy all, striking in different angles from a clock, and from different position.....A great method in fact....A lot of thinks to incorporat to you own system ! For sur !
Excellent video. Thank you ❤
Great stuff with plenty of examples in sparring and drill clips👍
I missed the sparing part
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Great video! Huge DL fan and definitely it pisses me off how people sneer at DL.
12:37 - Yeah, again - good editing here. It's like proper indentation in code or paragraph breaks in writing. Good natural flow to the presentation and speaking, but the editing is completing the package and stands out.
I’m not familiar with DL, but I’ve seen some KFM, and it looked interesting.
I think adding some of these type of systems to a foundation of solid striking (Boxing/MT) with grappling (Judo/BJJ/Sambo) along with some weapons from FMA (sticks/blades/flexible/etc) and with realistic sparring against progressive resistance- and you’ll be effective. That is basically what I’ve done and so far, it works. From my mid 20’s to my early 40’s, I had maybe a dozen incidents where I had to defend myself and others. A few very serious incidents with weapons and multiple attackers- and I prevailed every time. Took a little damage in a few, but walked away from ALL of them in one piece.
Sometimes- it’s not so much superior fighting skills, but superior tactics that win. Where you position yourself relative to your environment and the attackers can make the difference. Using things around you- cars 🚙, telephone poles or sign posts, gates, fences, fire hydrants. All these things can be used to your advantage.
Only once were “dirty fighting” techniques necessary. Everything else was standard block or cover from right hand punch to head- grab arm and collar or jacket/hoodie lapel, throw, kick or stomp, get the FO. Done.
I’m a little old to be fighting now, so I rely on firearms and edged items more now. I even walk with a cane 🦯 (which I actually kinda need now) and Kali has been great for that. The cold steel city stick is nice looking, nearly indestructible, and doesn’t look too weapon like as the canemasters canes do. Too hokey with the points and teeth, and cops and security people all know about them now so you aren’t fooling anyone.
Bottom line- you young guys need to train hard and SPAR FOR REAL or you’re just fooling yourself. I learned the hard way. I started in the “too deadly to spar/compete” arts in the 80’s, got my ass kicked a few times- thought it over and switched to judo/BJJ and Muay Thai- FMA, then was able to actually defend myself, and never looked back.
Beware of the “too deadly for sparring” mindset. You CAN add the dirty stuff to real fundamentals though.
The problem I see with DL KFM keysi is that there is a lot of cooperative drills, slow-motion sparring (sped up a little to claim that they spar), and a ton of EXPLAINING in order to convince people of its effectiveness. Actions speak louder than words, just look at BJJ, boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling, etc... No explanation needed. Though the Pensador can be useful and adapted.
you're stuck on sports, Jr.
@@christopheclugston Not really. Your assuming a lot based off of a comment. That says a lot.
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Sit down Jr you are out of your league
@@christopheclugston how long have we known each other? How many times have you bested me? How do you know what I know and what I'm capable of? How do you know my age? How do you know my size? How do you know where I'm from? How do you know what I've trained? How do you know my attributes? How do you know how many people I've put down inside and outside the ring? I've checked out some of your videos and I'm not impressed at all.
@opheclugston Real fighters with true skill don't seek quarrels with random people and make assumptions online. The fact that you just did that tells me a lot about you. You're nothing to be concerned about. Take care.
I really appreciate your video! There are a lot of short clips on youtube about Keysi and DL so I'm glad to see a longer format video. I noticed on some of your other videos that you also train PTK under Tim Waid. I'm very passionate about both PTK and DL/Keysi and I'm curious about your experience as to how these two systems mesh. Have you found that these two systems complement each other and is it easy to flow from one to the other in training, sparring, has training in one helped the other, etc?
Thank you for your comment!!
There are a few things here. I do train PTK with Tuhon Tim, and I consider that to be my true base. Everything else kind of stems off of that. And I feel, wholeheartedly, that what I have learned from Tuhon makes everything that I do so much better. That being said, I have been able to flow and mix the two quite effectively. If you look at some Panantukan videos, the good ones, they tend to do the same. The shapes are well utilized in FMA, and the principles are pretty sound. It just comes down to the time put into training.
Hope you have a good week, and thank you for your support!
I noticed something you didn't talk about too much. The drills with single or multiple opponents incorporated a great deal of head movement to accompany that lovely shielding guard. As a kali practitioner, my training has been evasion and footwork and never addressed directly the very scenarios depicted when you have little if any room to move. And the solution seems very sound if you take grappling out of the picture. I agree with the conclusions of the system that a wide stance, head movement and displacement are critical elements to multiple opponents. This is confirmed across several systems and real world experiences. Thank you for sharing this in such a neutral fashion, I found it very informative and am now interested in acquiring the DL toolset!
Nice articulate explanation. Liked and subbed.
Awesome, thank you!
I think the part about defending against multiple attackers is nonsense. "Survive a few seconds" is all you're going to get. No martial art can protect you from multiple attackers, even just 2, if they are aggressive. I like the rest of it.
As someone who has tried traditional, sporting and RBSD arts, I think what I’d say in defence of arts like keysi and defence lab is that most people who attack you will not be trained martial artists and not every altercation is a full-blown fight to the finish. These two facts create openings for techniques and tactics that wouldn’t work against someone who had martial arts training and who was hell-bent on taking you out. For example:
* Standing armlocks and wrist locks won’t work in MMA, but they can work on someone who is using force primarily to intimidate rather than to cause damage, eg if they grab you by the shirt.
* Chain punching can work on someone who doesn’t have their guard up, stands square on and isn’t expecting it (think about how most bar fights start).
* Grapplers are right to say that, if you’re attacked by multiple *determined* attackers, then you’re going down and striking won’t help you any more than grappling will. However, attackers are not always that determined. It’s possible to scare the others off by smacking one of them hard enough. In particular, I can see why the pensador would work to give you *temporary* respite against a shower of punches and thus buy you time.
Love your videos. Facts . thank you
Thank you for your support!!
Excellent video! I've been training DL 7 years its a great system that works, and I 100% agree when you say "having something is better then nothing" a system can't be everything for everyone.
Good morning, I normally don't comment on videos about martial arts simply because I have only trained in mostly self-defense arts i.e. Kenpo, Judo, and Bjj. With that said I enjoyed your well thought out explanation. I appreciate the sense of urgency in attacking while being attacked where as I have mostly trained in a reactive type styles. I believe this would be a great asset to add to my journey of self-defense martial arts. You have inspired me to seek out instruction in this art. One question I do have though is how does it play with an older person beginning this training in the late 40's to 50's? Peace and Respect sir
Thank you for taking the time to watch our video and comment so thoughtfully. I am honored that you’ve been inspired to seek out Defence Lab instruction based on my explanation. We made a shortform video discussing your question about training into your 40s & 50s: ua-cam.com/users/shortsa0vZFPikRKs?feature=share
I watched said video even before knowing what kfm was, I came up with the same response as yourself so was happy to watch your response on this video. I have done KM and urban combatives and can see KFS fitting in well with both, I do club security or Bouncer as it's known and can definitely connect with the KFS multiple attack training. Anyone with any kind of real world experience of violence knows that any of these fighting systems are a bonus to your chances of survival but it's not a given, it's 90% mindset and 10% training in my experience.
I’ve trained KFM for years before the split, trained a little of DL, then Keysi. Overall, it is still the same, with some minor adjustments and rearrangements. However, the system works, and it is effective if you have an open mind and understanding. Every art serves its purpose for someone, giving them something to do with nothing to do, for it was KFM, and the rest is history. Being a martial arts business owner, I understand our actions may not be for everyone. KFM may not fit you, but for someone else, it does. The same goes for any other art that is out there. Overall, in KFM (DL/Keysi), you’ll see a mix of JKD, Kali, Muay Thai, Grappling arts, and a few others, which makes the system unique and more special if you train it correctly as I did before the split. Besides, the great Bruce Lee said Absorb what is useful. Discard what is not. Add what is uniquely your own." I’m just saying we all do this in this format.
Did y’all spar?
14:59 We have this exact same stuff in Kenpo and Choy Li Fut forms, the moving around and using lots of elbows.
Great video break down of the system & counter points to lame arguments against KFM & DL. Where are you located for seminars or further training?
If you mixed this system up with some Wing Chun, Judo, Jet Kun Do, Akido it could be super effective in an actual fight.
Okay, so I've been in marital arts for 50 years. Japanese. Chinese. Korean. And others. I have a lot of time and experience. I have seen a lot of videos on this system, read numerous articles, both from proponents and doubters. I really only have two things to say about this. First regarding the pensador guard variations. From what I have seen in the various demonstrations, it looks to me (and take into account I am an outsider so I may missing something), but it looks like there are points where the arms or hands are covering either one or both eyes. If that is the case doesn't that create a level of vulnerability, a blind spot that, when dealing with multiple attackers could lead to missing an incoming attack. Yes I can see that this is not a static system and the person being attacked is constantly in a state of motion. So I want to know if it is that constant motion that mitigates any blind spots created by the pensador blocking the vision or, is it just the angles of the filming of the demonstrations that make it look like the vision might be partially blocked, but it really isn't? You didn't address this in the video, and I haven't seen anyone else address it, and oddly enough I haven't seen any of the detractors bring it up either so I wonder if no one has noticed it before, or if
Second, you mentioned pressure testing. Yeah, that is a very necessary part of training s far as psychological preparation for attacks. BUT, what I want to know is how successful have practitioners of this art been in fending off attacks when there were real consequences, when they had to defend their own lives, or the lives of someone else. That is the REAL test of whether any system works or not, or more precisely whether the TEACHING METHODS for any system worked or not. So what is the history of this system efficacy in actual self defense situations when there are real consequences to losing beyond simply losing a fight?
We made a Short discussing the visibility issue you raise:
ua-cam.com/users/shortsSMGh2yNJKgI?si=rvlTkedWLsGJvKcU
Brilliant observations !
Greatly appreciated!
I have one simple question. Does anyone spar in this system? And I asked that, having seen what this video showed as sparring. The intensity seemed low. And still the guy in the middle didn’t seem as if he was having a great effect with the system. From the outset, it looked like a person that was trying to attack and defend all at the same time. But neither the striking or the defensive tactics seemed to work very well.
The dude who posted this video pointed at 29:34 as an example of their "sparring".
I appreciate this Video 🫡
Thanks for sharing. I found Keysi, Defence Lab, and Keysi Fighting Method, and the play with body mechanics and using the environment in a smart way in a situation where you are required to defend yourself or someone else very interesting. Just the playing with dynamic movement alone is very interesting.
I don't think that any system is perfect, which means we as curious practitioners have a vast field of research done by others that we can dive into and learn a lot from.
I'm 2min in and I like your candor.
Great explanation and glad you're willing to provide insight on things you actually participated in unlike these UA-cam armchair "experts".
You tool. Never been in a proper fight and come out on top. All these things reel people in through having one or two truly useful principles coupled with a lot of theory that sounds good by does not work in a real fight under true pressure, and isn't even ideal if you were to train it for years. It's marketing and false sense of security BS.
I will admit if you just watch the videos on UA-cam it is hard to see its value and is confusing as to how it works, but as someone who trains in DL it needs to be experienced to get the full effect of how they train.
Critics have not tested the systems in a fight. They have not actual fought someone who uses those various systems to say what does not work. Maybe it is should do. Take someone like that "armchair violence" guy into the ring.
Well presented.
Glad you liked it!
There was a Defense Lab across the street fr9m my house on Sierra Vista. But they never seemed to teach there. I was always trying to get into those classes. I really wish this would become more popular.
The one main thing eveyone forgets when it comes to sparring is that it starts as 1 or more against 1, withall involved being in a guard of some kind and waiting to be told when to start. In a real fight it doesn't always start like that.
I know very little about KFM / KEYSI. I just saw it in a Kevin Lee video, and it got me thinking, and I want to know more about the Pensador.
Great video as student that trained in DL and spent years training Keysi, the naysayers have a gross misunderstanding of the systems, it doesn’t matter if you are in Bjj and other systems, David really explains the value, great video bro.
Great video, I’m glad you are not using the same tone as that “armchair” guy… he sounds like a petulant child. The fact is that all he does is try to gain views by complaining about other people’s creativity. That is kind of a parasitic way to gain viewers. Thank you for posting this reply to that video. I love the strategies you are showing.
People who dump on another martial arts Haven’t spent time embracing other points of view. Not one martial art is perfect you can make practically ANYTHING work with enough time and pressure. You need a good coach and some self diligence to modify things to work for you.
I am 55, trained for over 40 years, touched hands with all kinds of martial artists internationally and locally (I’m from Canada, Toronto) only to know, we are one family bio mechanically.
I met DL guys personally in Germany and trained with them intensively, it definitely works!
All martial arts work ! Why?
Because YOU have to work.
Meaning, you have to take it and make it work for you not have everything dished out to you immediately.
Social media has made online bullying very easy, but hey, you have my vote…. I’ve been around long enough to know.
Keep up the great work bro💪
Simple question : Is there any security cam or phone footage of someone or ANYONE successfully defending themselves using DL/KFM/Keysi fundamentals ? Are there ANY VIDEOS ???
If there are you would see those in their marketing.
I bet he doesn’t know, since he probably has more going on in his life besides watching videos on the internet…
@@Katerade47 So much going on in his life that he made a video no one asked for saying he “DESTROYS” argument while providing zero evidence to support his supposed destruction of argument.
And don’t forget using his other channel account to name calling people in this comment section as well.
Such a life filled with more things going on in it, ain’t it?
I did Shotokan Karate for four years, Kickboxing for almost the same length of time and KFM for 18 months; so I can compare based on personal experience.
Out of all of those, I’d turn to KFM for a street fight. In all my years I’ve been lucky enough to avoid trouble all but once; at the time it happened, I’d only trained karate (to black belt level) and it was useless in the environment things started (back of a bus). Kickboxing wouldn’t have helped much more, KFM (or DL) would have made a major difference and I can say without any doubt that would have carried on when things moved off the bus and on to the street.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I know that DL and KFM definitely have their place, they are suited for a very specific environment and encounter. And I think you you have nailed it perfectly.
I am mixing some of the keysi conceps with my boxing and kickboxing, and i have been sucessful with some of those blocks and hammerfists, i wanna do some sparring with 2 or 3 friends at the same time to test some of that stuff, but it seems like it would work with multiple opponents when you're surrounded and can't use footwork to evade
So where are you located. Or how can we learn about this if we are not close to you. How does this compare to target focus training and how does it help someone who is 80
The closest thing to this ive seen in real situations was rampage jackson. He used a high guard with elbows forward and it was very effective. It was extremely difficult to ko him.
If any system is pressure tested with true sparring it can be made to work. All we can do is punch, kick, grab, and wrestle.. The problem with most systems are they are not truly pressure tested. Demonstration on compliant opponents in today's world is silly. I don't know if the system works or not but if it is not pressure tested I have a feeling any kid that took 6 months of boxing or wrestling at the local YMCA or police athletic club will fare a bit better when defense is needed. Pressure testing sucks and you will get some minor aches and pains, but you can't learn to ride a bike without riding a bike, and you can't learn to fight without fighting.
So , you're saying karate, aikido, bjj, wing chun, kungfu and all traditional martial arts were some kids' wild imagination and not from lived experiences?! 🤣
@@persada5913 read my comment again, I didn't say that at all.
I never heard of this style before, and saw it for the first time watching Sifu Baker. One of the things that impressed me was the explosive attack from the shield. In most styles, you see the shield as defensive only, where here it is both defensive and offensive. Many styles will use simultaneous blocks as strikes, and that is economy of motion, but this is the first time I have seen it done with the shielding, and the circular motion which draws power from the hips and your root. I think it is legit, and warrants some further investigation to incorporate into a mix style.
Honestly keysi is made for the STREETS. This will work 99% against a average person with no martial arts background on the street but wouldn't work that well against someone who has martial arts background (depending on what martial art u do).
I also practiced in keysi and the guards do work against punches, elbows, body shots & yes kicks. But it works best against ppl on the streets with no training background period yall seem to forget that
Keep up the good work my friend. You can also strike very hard with the side of your forearms. Hammer fist works very well. Remember VBB. Interrupt The attacker's Vision, Disrupt The Breathing, and Destroy The Balance. Oss!
Thank you, my friend!! 🙏🙏
It works I have a background in two mix it with all the other stuff , the majority that I spared with didn't the effects and it threw their game off completely.
This is what i thought about Keysi after seeing it for the first time: It looks verry solid in a self defense situation, where you are in a disadvantage. The defense is structurally verry hard to break, even though it limits your eyesight somewhat. In a sporting or "duelling" context it will stand little chance against kickboxing, because the mobility and reach is not there.
But anyway, if I have the opporturnity, I want to learn Keysi. It makes sense to me and looks solid. I come from a two decades Muay Thai Backround, with some BJJ experience on top
Sparring is not self defense, you still miss the point, KFM is not a system specifically for MMA. MMA has rules, you know your opponent you can study their fight films, there is preparation, sudden violence in the street has no preparations and anything goes.
This is like all those videos titled AIKIDO SPARRING with a bunch of cooperative drills instead of sparring.
Complete with comments that add absolutely nothing to anything, yet you're still here. Thanks, though. 🙏👍
@@lycandefensive If you want to prove that this stuff works, there are lots of competitions you can enter. Until then, have fun pretending to punch people in the leg.
@wurblewurble thanks for the advice, homie. And for the concern over my training. You people are the best!!
@@lycandefensive Now I understand why your channel has Defensive in the name
@@wurblewurble Always happy to help, bud!
When I was in buffalo I trained with a couple KFM guys. Was interesting. I come from a JKD/FMA and Sombo background. There were things I liked and didn’t like. I love the guard with the elbows and find great use for it on the ground. Very effective; is it 100 percent successful; nothing is. But I love how it flows and how effective it is.
I still prefer JKD/fma overall; but I do say try everything and see. Things work and work well… you just have to try.
Elbows are practical
Prime example I spend a lot of time in the Mountains. It was nearing dark and I had to clean fish from the days catch.
No moon light was low and I was in one of the highest bear populated areas known in the western hemisphere.
My 9 yr old son was with me a 1/4 mile from camp and it was pitch dark.
I had just my knife a light. I had seen four bear that day in the area.
A bear can smell blood 5 miles away and they move fast.
I told my son if a bear shows up and your dad gets into it you run run as fast as you can to camp and no matter what you hear do not stop until you get to camp.
I was willing to die for my son. That is how every action should be taken should you’re family be at risk be it man or beast.
Train like your life depends on it.
Because someday it might.
very interesting explanation, watched a few of those videos which tried to discredited Keysi and DL, in the vein why not just learn kickboxing etc, what you said do make sense and I think these skills set are good to have. It is all good and fine to say why not just box the hell out of your assailant but what if you were overwhelmed by a group , or when you found yourself on the ground being stomped. IMO any real reality based self defense skills are good to have
I couldn't agree more. At the end of the day I believe firmly that when it comes to training, train something you enjoy and will stick with. Something, in most cases, will be better than nothing at all.
If your being attacked by multiple people your getting hurt regardless of what martial art you know, even a useless guy can grab or stamp, you aint winning a fight against 4 guys from your feet let alone your back
@@jamiestewart3694 you're absolutely right, and since you're gonna get hurt regardless, we shouldn't even train to have any sort of tactic or strategy for it.
Also, staying on your back is stupid no matter what your system is. Good thing this is a transition position.
@lycandefensive you can spend your time however you see fit and more power to you, but it's intellectually dishonest to think that the transition you mention is gonna be anything other than awake to unconscious
@jamiestewart3694 awesome! in the meantime, I look forward to seeing your videos. I like to learn from those with all the knowledge.
*I always tell people, get your fundamentals (boxing, kickboxing, clinch, grappling, etc.) and then play with these things and see what works for you. You may not adapt everything but, you may pickup a few good new things that can really upgrade your skills.*
I couldn't agree with you more. I think that, as an add on, this stuff is fun. But, you're absolutely correct, the fundamentals are absolutely essential.
I’m with the werewolf. Seriously though I’d love to see this mixed with 52 Blocks.
30:33 if all you do is watch the videos it looks like they are only hitting softly, but I lost a tooth at a grading.
Context is important, so is the relative skill levels of the opponents.
i train and tbh having a fight is a diffrent ball game than what ive trained i think this style gives you a better chance in a conflict when someone is dead set on hurting you its diffrent
Im like wth is that music coming from....did I leave my Muzak on or what? 😆
Put an event together and get some fights going, that's how we can see once and for all, problem solved. Kickboxing, MMA, BJJ etc are things we can see because there are fights. Have some fights and put them on, then the footage and speak for itself once and for all
Kickboxing won't work in a clinch, you might as well just learn Boxing since it focused on precision and timing. Dirty Boxing is even better for self defense on streets.
@@meianhera3515 K1 Kickboxing uses the muaythai clinch though, albeit an abbreviated version thereof in terms of time, whereas in mt you can have a longer clinch time and of course elbows. MMA has elbows too but coming from a mt background into MMA will give the best elbow game. Only sucky part is you really love clinch and elbows and you do MMA against a wrestler you're easy pickings for a takedown, whereas kickboxers with a strong sprawl and deflective hands can defend well against wrestlers and put on a stand up clinic. A wrestler also plays into a BJJ players game because whereas in wrestling he might win with the back pin, the BJJ players works submissions off his back, which means he can weaponize a wrestlers game against him
That's what they do! Always saying something doesn't work while never doing it!
Muay Boran (& Chaiya) even go in like Keysi sometime with arms and elbows so yeah it work even Kungfu had elbow rush as well like baji wingchun etc., Keysi rely on this as main tactic that mean it is very defensive sty
What's funny is everyone wants to wear a BLACK BELT - no matter how modern the system - I guess it looks cool - makes you feel like a WARRIOR - "hey I've got a black belt in REALITY BASED SELF DEFENSE". Or "hey, I've got a black belt in MILITARY COMBATIVES".
Are his black belts in TKD, karate, and Japanese jiu jitsu more valid then? Or the systems he has trained for longer that he hasn’t belt tested in in years? ‘Cause he’s got both. He doesn’t care much for belts, but the UA-cam audience does, understandably so.
I would love if this martial art worked, thats the truth.
Bring me a few videos of a blackbelt-Keysi going up against a few dudes throwing it away for real (mma style and not provoced real fights of course), and show me the effectiveness. At this point merely explaining it seems redundant, the world needs more.
The point is if KFM or Keysi works, then at the minimum one of their fighters should be able to spar and hold their own at least one on one with someone that is GOOD at Thai, MMA, etc. But everyone I’ve sparred that does it, just goes back to standard kickboxing while maybe using a shell here or there. It’s just martial theory. Although the shell can be good if you can’t move away against multiple attackers. But that doesn’t need a black belt in their system…
I agree. There are times where that shell makes sense, but why not use 8 oz. MMA gloves and go hard to prove your concept? I didn't see any of the multiple attackers actually doing any grappling at all.
You won't see that.
The point is still being missed The Pensador use is so simple it’s still misunderstood. The body’s natural reaction to go into a shell is the point of how Pensador was developed and can be weaponized . It doesn’t matter how much training you have, your body’s natural reaction will take over until you can mentally get back in the fight.
@@urbanxselfdefensesystemsby2076 Yes the point is being missed. By you. This is a system built around honing a natural reflex? Ok. Cool. Just ONE KFM black belt….go to any MMA school and just spar using KFM. 1 on 1. A friendly sparring match. They never do.
I wish there was a KFM book to learn from.
You and me both!
pensador guard looks like blanka in street fighter
I always believed having to learn a hundred diff moves is goofy. Imho learning 10 standing strikes & 10 grapple/ground chokes/lockes is more than enough. You go to the gym/dojo & drill these same moves over & over & i believe youll be ready to survive.
Surprised you didn't include urban combatives...
I have over 25 years experience in martial arts myself and whilst I haven't trained in these specific defence systems, I do actually think this guard will be effective becuase I use the movements that have clearly inspired it's creation (which are spread throughout the combat sports) all the time and I'd wager so do most experienced fighters, the problem is, it looks so silly and the lads who've only done 3 months mma and declared themselves experts are always going to knock it just based on that alone!
As a person who has experienced M A since 1970’s and most systems are conglomerates of others. This is the case in almost every art form.
Key to Keysi does it work? Sure as in every form DL MACMAP any true combat if it doesn’t you die or go to the hospital.
Not every system is perfect nor practitioner. So do the best to prepare yourself to protect those you love including yourself. Most times the best option is to run away. Remember self defense is not fighting.
I like DL. I believe it to be a very affective method of self-protection, in particular for women, out of shape people, or old folk like me.
My MA background is JKD/Kali (instructor), Silat, Thai, UC Self-Protection, and DL. The skills I've learned from Silat have succesfully worked out well for me and apply to all my MA skills/expertise.
It's what strongly attracted me to Urban Combatives (geared towards real life self-protection situations, legal liability, and it's no fluff) and DL.
Where I disagree with is their use of a small ring knife/knife needle. As someone who has fought multiple opponents several times and dropped them, I got arrested (all 4 times). So, imagine if I had used a knife or in DL's case a ring spike/knife? As a former police officer of 20 yrs I believe many, many instructors and systems don't take into account the criminal & civil problems incurred with using a weapon, they don't bust out a sheet of local/county/state laws and possible civil liabilities in the 1st day of class or the 1st week when a person starts training with them.
The other thing I dislike is they're always trying to upsell you, pimp you. Get you to start a franchise for them, bring them in for seminars, and other money making activities for them. It turns me off with DL, JKD/Kali, Silat, and other systems/instructors.
It's one of the reason I try not attend DL seminars or other seminars. The upselling.
I get it. It's all about money, ain't a dam thing funny....
I'm a capitalist, I get it, and I'm down with it. But many instructors/systems DON'T take into account you just want that edge in your back pocket to defend yourself, your loved ones, and innocents/victims you come across.
You don't want rank/belt/be a grand pupa, just self-protection training.
What I do agree with is their emphasis on multiple opponents. Many instructors/systems don't teach that a street fight/self-protection situation is a TREACHEROUS situation. In a street fight with Turds there are no moral codes.
Whether it's BJJ, JKD, Krav, and many other systems they don't teach how to defend against Multiple opponents. Training on a mat without shoes or on a actual floor/cement doesn't cut it for the street. Curling up in a ball against a wall, lap sow/pak sow, defanging the snakes methods, staged/cooperative drills many times are WON'T prepare you against Multiple Opponents.
If you've said I'm sorry, hey bud can I buy you a drink, I apologize, my bad, Respect, etc...many times that's not enough and many times makes the Treacherous Asshole believe you to be a punk who he's going to teach a lesson, impress his gf, friends, or just get his jollies by supposedly "kicking your ass".
I believe this is one of the serious failings with Martials Instructors/systems. In particular with Self-Defense Instructors that never, never, have been in a street self-protection situation.
From my JKD/Kali experience I came across many, many instructors who couldn't fight for shit, refused to pressure test their JKD/Kali due to the excuse they were so deadly, could take out you eye, crush your throat, blah, blah, blah. In affect they are teaching a cultural dance in particular with regards to FMA.
The Asshole's you meet in the club, bar, street, in a self-protection situation you'll fight his friends, gf, or those strangers that might be like minded as the AssHole who's assaulting you. They won't just stand around seeing their boy getting his Asswhiped.
Since I was 13 yrs of age, for all the self-protection situations I've been in I have only defended myself 1 on 1, maybe 4 times. All other self-protection situations have been against 2 guys, 1 guy and his gf, 3 guys, 4 guys, 2 guys with a weapon(s) with as mentioned above having been arrested 4 times. (self-protecting against 4 guys, dropped them, got arrested). LazyAss cops didn't bother to investigate and looked at the guys on the ground/dropped, labeled me the aggressor, and arrested me. Made it very hard to get into Law Enforcement.
Some of the self-protection concepts I've learned in my experience are;
1. Use the words Please, excuse me, I apologize, I'm sorry.
2. If you have no choice but to be in a self-protection situation; walk away. The next best method is run away. The even better method is run away faster....
3. And if you have no choice, can't walk away or run, defend youself against the Turd, and handle your business...
Thank You @David Vincent-Crowson @lycandefensive for your video. They are very good.
How can I learn this "system" if there is nobody within a couple 100 kilometres that teaches this?
Great video! Truth
Btw , these are silat movements and kali and panatukan to begin with
Thank you!! And you are absolutely correct. You can definitely see and feel the influences here.
And in all 30 minutes of talking, he never actually showed it working. How hard it is to glove up and free spar with someone to show it working?
Exactly, 30 years after the BJJ/MMA revolution we still have to deal with this.
Kinda hard to spar when using elbows, sir
@@projectrain2254 they make pads for that as well sir.
@@projectrain2254elbow pads exist. You can use kudo headgear if you want as well.
@@projectrain2254 we use elbow pads all the time in Muay Thai
I don’t know much about KFM, but the hand and arm positions you showed and discussed are not all that different from PTK 1 and 2 chambers or doble daga whether pakal or sak sak. Interesting. -fellow SMFer
Because KFM and PTK or Krav Maga are great, People always forget that alot of things depend on whos is the Practitioner and whos the Contender, it stays and falls with this aspects, Instructors play a big Part to, there are good ones and there are bad ones, Everything can work or dont work in specific Situations, the Key is to find out whats best for yourself, not every one is a good Kicker or hasnt the Height to be effective for it, whole Systems like PTK or Krav Maga are good for Self Defense because you dont have to get severals Black Belts in atleast 3 different Martial Arts to be really Good at it, not to forget not every MMA Fighter is a Worldchampion or Worldclass Fighter, which means a Good PTk or Krav Maga Practitioner could beat such an Individual and Vice Verca ofc, Some Martial Arts are useless with Full Military Gear attached and so on, Its always a controversal Story about whats Best or not.
Where can I study it? Where? Do you guys have schools anywhere in TX? I have about 20 years experience in PFS but I want to learn something new and to be honest... that guard looks synergistically offensive. I want the skillset right now. Lol! I know it is gunna take some learning but... yeah it is now my goal.
I know of 2 operating DL gyms in Texas. One is is Pflugerville by the name of Centex Combatives. The owner is named Tyrus and he is an upstanding individual who is also extremely talented. Another one is in Kyle TX, and it's name is Defence Lab Kyle. Shawn owns that gym, and he is great as well. Hope this helps.
@@lycandefensive thanks bro! I will see which is closer, though they are both about 2-3 hours. Idc about that sort of commute to get some learning in. I love martial art as a vehicle of learning. I have been doing JKD Concepts since 96. I need something beyond that box.
@KurtisJoseph I completely understand that. DL isn't, and has never been my "main" art or focus. But I do appreciate different perspectives and ways of doing things. I'm a student first, always.
I'd be interested in hearing how this goes for you and your thoughts once you've trained it.
I'm not done with the video, but I'm a long-term Isshinryu Karate student (6+ years third degree brown belt) and also have over 1 year Gracie Jiujitsu. People claim okinawan karate is not for street self defense, which is a complete lie. We were specifically training for MILITARY STYLE street fighting in a combat system designed to fight in self defense and military hand-to-hand engagements....yet "arm chair QBs" kept telling me I couldn't win a street fight. I used to beat the second degree black belts in sparring, because I trained 15 hours per day in advanced cardio kickboxing and sparring. My instructor was a 4th degree black belt in Isshinryu karate, 2nd degree black belt in Shotokan, and First degree black belt in Jiujitsu, AND max level in Krav Maga...yet idiots were still telling me I'd never compete in a prize fight or couldn't win a street fight, because THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. Pure Isshinryu students are known to successfully defend themselves in life and death fights and gang rape situations as low as blue belt, but I am SIX full belt promotions above blue belt.
Please turn off the music, we want to hear you talking :) Music is not needed, its not MTV and its not a movie 🙏
The topic of pressure testing was an odd one for me as I've heard someone saying they felt the system was good as it does actually get students to put gear on an pressure test what they have been taught. Besides that, all the training videos show students hitting each over and fighting back.
So when I heard that comment it didn't make sense. I figured they just don't have proper person versus person competition type sparing. Which just brings up the question why, as they show that they almost do that.
How about protect our groin using Keysi ??could you show us bro
That's not a bad idea. I'll look into making a video for the protection of that area, along with some others that people have questions on. Like the ribs, against an uppercut, against a good round kick. Stay tuned.
True watching a thirty minute video doesn't make you a grand master. I've seen/read people usually MMA guys saying this system or that won't work , yet I've witnessed in person against very sceptical and experienced MMA/ purple belt bjj guys and the system that didn't work made them look like babies in areas where they should have won easily i.e 1on1 on ground. Keep an open mind and look into it properly before making decisions . The street and an octagon are not the same and whilst there maybe some overlapping or complimentary attributes for each there are major differences that aren't addressed in the other. For that reason I train in both
While you’re protecting your head up top with both arms and hands, your body is wide open for body shots. How does Keysi Fighting Method deal with the fact that their body is wide open to receive liver shots ?
I don't disagree with you. There is a protocol in place to confront this type of situation. But it takes training, sometimes a considerable amount.
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I understand both arguments being made. It would have been nice to see a sparring session, but at the same time when he said he had 30 years...its harder to have negative commentary. 30 years of anything in training is going to be effective. Just watching his examples i can tell you he'll be fine in a fight.....and if he's not fine...its only because of overwhelming circumstances none of us can handle....OR....he came across a superior fighter.
Well ladies and gentlemen that applies to all of us...
So i can't judge or attack his passion....especially having seen the flaws in the mixed martial arts i train.
Other systems such as Urban Combatives, using concepts from KFM and similar drills, like David says context matters, ua-cam.com/video/bVY5XfAwE3g/v-deo.htmlsi=iZG8DKEAcvXUgG0w
Do you know whats going on with DL headquarters? I received an email stating that Ruben has been fired and under investigation. Since then ive been unable to access the website and my online portal.
I do. HQ is facing a few issues at the moment. Send me an email (if you'd like), and I can fill you in a bit.
Thank you I will. Should I use the email on your website?
Yes, that will be fine.
The liver is a knockout point.
Yes. Yes, it is.