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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Chris Gore and Alan Ng review “It Ends with Us,” now playing in theaters.
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Wait-her name is LILY BLOOM. And she wants to run a FLOWER SHOP.
*WRITING.*
@@ab-gail You want to hold the baby…..ok here isn’t she precious…I WANT A DIVORCE. lol
It kinda makes me sad they can't just make a grand sweeping romance movie like you said anymore. It feels like they always have to deconstruct or twist it into something negative nowadays.
Like someone else said the problem is when they subvert it's always in a particular way that makes it obvious what it's doing. I mean I hate to use terms like agenda but I mean geez, when you're this heavy-handed with the material it has to be said.
Ehh what I hear it’s pretty accurate to the source material and it doesn’t have a bad message it’s about not tolerating domestic abuse so it’s fine for what it sets out to do.
@BalrogUdun I get that. I understand the movie is based on a book that is about that. I was more just lamenting about things in general in movies nowadays.
There is the hallmark network that makes nothing but romantic movies
It is based on a book, why adapt it if you change the entire point. It is not supposed to be a typical romance.
Alan's commentary is very thoughtful
Which is why Chris should let him talk more!
We love Alan
This book was published in 2016, and fans of Colleen Hoover have read this and are completely aware of the subject matter. She has also written a follow up book... after the divorce.
I heard the novel that the movie is based on is drama porn for women who love toxic relationships.
Gee, wonder why a 'traditional' romance was subverted by a modern film...?
Chris was surprised it was a white woman with a white guy - if it was white woman with a guy who wasn't white, they couldn't have him be an abuser because "bigot racist."
And it has already been done. Romances with twists have existed since film began.
Do you really want a story where two people just meet and fall in love and have a kid and the credit rolls?
The whole problem with the subversion thing is it only subverts in a particular way in a way that makes particular people look like crap.
@@roarbertbearatheon8565 No one is asking for that, so that is a red herring. And name a movie where that has ever happened. It hasn't. Even sweet romances - and they are legion - have a moment or arc of conflict.
I saw the trailer so I knew it was about domestic violence and was able to notice some subtle clues leading up to the turn. Like Alan, I was waiting for the shoe to drop. Some people wanted more obvious clues to break through the romance. But I think the subtly kind of shows how easy one can fall into these relationships even when you may have grown up around them.
I approve of the whiteness of the cast.
The movie that will never be made: a man is the victim
Lol, what? Dude, see more movies. I'll put a single movie here "Sleepers".
@@dcs4947 1:1.000.000
@@dcs4947 I think he was talking about Men being the victim of women. Women are Verbally abusive and Manipulative at a higher rate than men. Or how women use their wiles to gain access to men's hard earned wealth and then steal that hard earned wealth through the courts.
The social network
@@jodanger37 yes, Zuckerberg oppressed by the women of the world, you are correct
First hint something was off, the couple was white. If it was a straight romance, the main guy would have been black and the movie set on Netflix.
My wife read the book and said it was a good adaptation of the book. For what it is it’s a good movie. I understand why these books are so popular it’s basically engineered to be catnip for women between drama, sex and romance. Glad I didn’t see the trailer the twist was handled pretty well. First incident you think is genuinely an accident, second sets off red flags and third you see he’s a villain.
It's amazing what dribble women like sometimes...
@@aldunlop4622 ehh it beats something like twilight or 50 shades. The messaging was decent about being aware of abusive relationships.
I must be the strangest woman ever I hate her novels I hate most modern suppose of chick novels. They have weird crap it them or abusive relationships that are packaged as angst.
@@aldunlop4622 a book about domestic violence isn't dribble. 50 shades of shit er grey, now that is mind-rot.
@@blackbardstudio6067 Why the hell would anyone want to read about domestic violence. Isn't the real world bad enough for some people?
Seems like the movie is being promoted as a romantic movie but it sounds like it should be more about a woman overcoming DV.
It's weird cuz they're kinda going for a have their cake and eat it too thing.
It does seem like an obvious romantic movie but on the other hand it's got this very obvious "very special episode" vibe just from the trailer I saw that tells me immediately oh yeah it's going to be one of these movies.
It is. My gf read the book. The main theme is overcoming dv. However I'd say the movie didn't project that theme as much
The character did say the quote “it ends with us” in the book
With them, yes. Thankfully they aren't reproducing in relevant numbers. The future will belong to those who are normal.
I read "overcomes a traumatic childhood" in the imdb description and went "zzzzzzzzzzz".
I thought the trailer was obvious about the abuse (ex. Lily looking at a bruise in the mirror). I already knew the plot of the movie (which is why I didn't see it), but the trailer hinted at something ominous. I'm surprised audiences didn't pick up on that.
Sadly, it sounds a bit too much like real life. I've known couples where they look like golden on the outside, but inside there are serious problems. I have mixed feelings about watching what I have experienced in real life. But the fact you were all shocked., but not just ambivalent to it, kinda tells me it was very well done. Sounds like they filmed the first half from the perspective of her, but then the second half from the perspective of him.
Thanks for the review. I appreciate your honesty.
I took my daughter because she read the book and really wanted to see it. She said the movie is exactly like the book and the casting is perfect to the book. So i have to say not seeing a trailer and not knowing what to expect i liked it and liked how they show how the abuse was interpreted later. My daughter loved the book and she was suprised how the movie was the book. I hated the me 2 movement but i think this movie was realistic and give it a like.
You guys are getting a lot of bot comments for some reason. I was kind of interested in this movie from Ryan Reynolds' promo he did for this since his wife was the star
I had a pretty shitty childhood; with some things I'd rather not remember from when I was 10 years old. I certainly don't want to go to the moves to re-live it.
So that's it? What? We some kinda... It Ends With Us?
Like Adam, I saw the trailer and it told me everything about the movie, but I still want to watch it (even tho this is not the type of genre I like). You could tell it starts out as a whirlwind romance but at some point, he starts abusing her.
I also agree that when someone's in love, they just refuse to see the signs, no matter how obvious they are to everyone else. They will always find a way to make excuses for the other person, and unfortunately, if they don't wise up and leave them,it'll just getting worse with time. Also, its not just women. Men, both straight and gay, also end up being victims of emotional, mental, and even phisical abuse in a relationship. I've experiensed it up close and personal. We just dont hear about it very often because they're afraid people will either not believe them of make fun of them.
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how much we beg and plead , if they refuse help, there's not much we can do. 💔
Seriously, if you're interested just go watch a UA-cam video about the book it's from. It's hilariously bad. So very awful - worse than 50 Shades or Twilight. Just hack writing, start to finish with the cheesiest most half-arsed ending.
I knew what this film was about (because I had curiously looked up the book), so I was really surprised when I saw that skit Ryan Reynolds did to promote the film, involving him crashing the junket to interview "the man who plays his wife's love interest" (Brandon Sklenar, who played old BF character). Ryan's mother and Hugh Jackman also showed up in the skit, praising Brandon's looks and personality, in that Ryan Reynolds skit way - It felt quite jarring in regards to the movie's subject matter. If watching that skit was anyone's deciding factor for watching the movie, they must've been very surprised at what the plot turned out to be.
Skipping it.
The change was just as traumatic in the book😂
By traumatic, you mean to the reader, when they realized they sunk $20 and 2 days reading this crap?
"he's frustrated with life" and "he's a neurosurgeon" should never be referring to the same person.
@@LateNightZythix why?
My issue with the movie was the trailer. It literally spoils... everything
Ah yes the badboy neurosurgeon, the one we so often see, the one who dates the hard-to-get florist.
I knew what it was about from the trailer and hearing about book. It doesn’t seem like SUBVERSION or THE MESSAGE in the marxist sort of way. More just a tragic tale.
I get what Chris means. Would love to see more wholesome romances out there.
great show guys. peace and blessings to you and your family Allen.
I had never heard of this until now. I just looked up the 2 minute trailer and it clearly shows him knocking her around and the old bf going at it with him. I still dont plan on watching it but I don't see them trying to hide anything
Thank you for a thoughtful conversation gentlemen
The book synopsis sounds insane, so why bother with this?
This is a perfect example of "THE MESSAGE" being the only thing that's important. They made what seemed like what the average viewer wants, and it sounds like they did it well. It drew people in with false pretenses and then "subverts our expectations" and ruined the movie for those that just wanted a little escapism. WHICH IS MOST OF US DAMNIT! This kind of BS is what is driving the average moviegoer (read, the overwhelming majority) away from theaters. It's why Deadpool & Wolverine is doing phenomenally, people got what they wanted and so much more, and not one hint of a sermon. When people want to get preached to they go to church, not the movies. Since they first began movies are where people have gone to escape their drudgery and psycho/social pain, just recharge their batteries a little and refresh the mind. The last thing we want is to be told either we're bad people somehow or reminded that the world still sucks. How do you know some person in that exact situation didn't go to that film to be uplifted, to remind themselves that happy relationships ARE still possible... Do you really think this movie will have helped them in some way? Maybe gave them the strength to uplift or free themselves?... Bullsh*t. I've been there. This kind of thing just makes you feel so much worse, seriously drag you down and make you feel even less human than you did. I'm sorry guys I love and respect you both, a lot, I guess this review touched on some personal stuff for me too Alan. But that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
I agree ..I'm over it there's nothing a movie can teach me...I just want entertainment
This is why you should always watch trailers nowadays. Sure more times than not it ruins chunks of the movie but in this case it completely gave away the whole premise to this movie immediately. I knew just from a very short trailer I've seen a number of times that it was obviously going to go the "domestic" route. I truly feel for people who didn't realize exactly what they were getting into my condolences.
Frankly a movie like this made nowadays with the people who were in this movie was guaranteed to have a subversion somewhere. This one seems like the most obvious way to do it.
Stop trusting modern film to be anything other than social engineering and you’ll be good to go
So then this is like Moana 2 where the trailer tricks you into expecting one thing and the film is about THE MESSAGE.
I knew the dark side of this movie going in. I agree with Alan that there was a lot to unpack, so much so that I went to see it a second time. I've seen abuse in my family as well. I would definitely recommend it as long as you know what you're getting into. I liked a lot of the smaller twists and reveals throughout, many of those I didn't see coming. Lively, Baldoni, and Sklenar were really terrific imo...
The movie would have been better and more believable if the big twist was that SHE was the abuser.
The fact that they were both white should have been a dead giveaway from what was to come!!
It was so sweet to see a love story with a White Woman and an Arab Man. It was so sweet.
If it doesn’t have a happy ending IT ISN’T A ROMANCE. It might be a good movie, but it’s NOT a romance.
@@taramayastales IT HAS A HAPPY ENDING.. IT IS A TRILOGY... THE ROMANCE IS ABOUT LILI AND ATLAS
@@CesILTJ Ah… that was not made clear (to me) in the review.
This is a good comment. Romeo and Juliet is classified as tragedy in the Shakespeare library.
Well it is actually called THE TRAGEDY OF ROMEO AND JULIET so there's that.
@@mikeadams8027 true. But conceptually it’s viewed as a romantic story but isn’t. My English professor laid out the rule of thumb that in Shakespearean tragedy the play ends in death and in Shakespearean comedy the play ends with a wedding. Hamlet is a tragedy but not viewed as romantic. You’ve enlightened me, Will fixed the title to avoid the bait and switch!
The BEST review I've heard from Film Threat by far!
Hallmark higher level, that's a good one
I think is a common mistake for writers who want to set up a twist: they make the lie much more attractive and put more creative energy into making it work than they do for the post-twist.
See the Village, Into the Woods, etc.
It makes sense to spend energy lulling the audience into the twist, but you need to CRAFT the post-twist narrative as well.
I love that I read a lot of books and watch movies; so it's great that I can avoid stinkers when they are adapted to the screen.
This thing hit booktube; Colleen Hoover (the author) is reviled.
This movie isn’t for me!
I read the book.. I find the story well written and I’m glad they casted the right actors.. no race swapping ! I have to say, when they race swap, it annoys me. It’s like buying a book with a nice looking cover models and what’s inside was the opposite ..
Yeah I know, don’t judge the book by its cover! lol but hey, I connect to good stories and equally goodlooking protagonists.. just so you know, Acolyte male actors, they ain’t Mr McDreamy
@@Alice_no_malice I disagree in regards to the casting :/ I read the book too and tbh, Ryle and Atlas could’ve been casted better.
@@jigglepuff1114 I know, I wish they could have casted a better looking actor but for me at least it didn’t turn out to be like Bridgerton.
Who do you have in mind to play Ryle and Atlas ?
@@Alice_no_malice So when I was reading, I always pictured Ian Somerhalder as Ryle lol as for Atlas, I pictured a combination of Josh Hartnett (in Pearl Harbor) and Jared Padalecki (in Supernatural). But sadly, all three of those men can’t pass as a 20 something year old anymore :,(
What about you? I always love hearing what other people picture in their head :)
@@jigglepuff1114 So you would prefered boyish dudes than manly dudes? got it. Brendan Sklenar(Atlas) is an actor on the rise right now. I think he's gonna be big pretty quick. There are rumour he's gonna be the next Batman.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 if that’s how you wanna look at it, sure?
Brandon Sklenar grew on me as Atlas, but let’s be real, he didn’t give off ex-marine vibes. And don’t even get me started on Justin Baldoni. I don’t know if you read the book, but he is NOT Ryle. Literally the worst casting ever for that character.
The book is popular so a lot of viewers know turn is coming in middle of film.
"Its ends with us time!"
FRANK MISSED HIS GRINDER DATE AT THE FLIX..... FRANK GORE IS GHEEEY!
Well said Alan.
Maybe they are trying to portray the movie in a way like real life,in the sense the way guys hook up with girls etc they play all sweet say the right things.their love is not based on a sacrificial love it’s based on feelings(which are a good servant but a poor master) or based on straight up sex packaged as love. Then 6 months,a year or 2,then it’s a quick flip and the girl is taken aback by this complete different guy.The same way I believe this film was portraying this same idea,people watching the movie thinking oh how sweet and then it flips just like in these abusive relationships and know one saw it coming.
The script comes from the book, guys.
So was 50 shades of Shyte hehe
@@chasx7062 😄
I’ll leave this one to the chicks. They’re all nuts anyway.
hear hear LOL
'About Time' is the only decent romance, with a happy end I can think of, with a unique spin.
The conflict arises not from the relationship, which is gorgeous, but from the protagonist's misuse of his powers
Brandon Sklenar is the next gen Indiana Jones. I like him in 1923 and hope for season 2.
Shout out to Chris Hardwick who got caught up with the "me too" movement.
Sounds kind of interesting actually. Won’t be caught in the theater watching it but maybe in future I’ll secretly stream it.
I guarantee that a neurosurgeon does not have the time to be a bad boy. On the other hand, God doesn't sometimes believe that He's a surgeon.
Check out Age of Adeline is you want a good straight forward romance with Blake Lively. 💖
This sounds like a remake of "Bed of Roses" with Christian Slater and Mary Stuart Masterson.
Honestly, I've seen one or two trailers and they immediately gave away the twist or I'm just that perceptive either way my condolences for people who got sucked in and that's kinda hilarious though.
There are so many comments belittling women for either reading the book, or enjoying the film. Why? On the one hand it is clearly a 'chick flick' but women cannot just enjoy it without having to defend why they do. The adaptation of a best selling book, should at least prompt a quick google search. When they watch a run of the mill romance, it's 'why are women into sappy films? ' and when it's not, then it's 'why don't women want traditional romance?' Bloody hell women can't win!
Guys... is has a hapoy ending eventually
I always like hearing your thoughts and am with you 90% of the time. But this time I think you’re slightly off on the interpretation. He’s not a good guy turned bad. He’s guy with issues and a darkness that lily helps him climb out of but that darkness is still there throughout. You can see it the whole time. The reason it was so sweet was because it was shown through Lilys lens at first until she realized what she was allowing to happen to her and following behaviors she learned from her mother subconsciously. I liked it and thought it was handled very well. The title line was cringe tho. Everyone applauded in my theatre and tons of chatter after. But I appreciate you guys keep up the good work!
It's no endless love...
The all-white couple should have been a hint. If the film had featured mixed race couple the dude would still have to have been white.
Let's be clear: the only people who care about the movie spent 2022 m4stub4ting over it already. You can't spoil this film for them.
Chris : "Chick flick", "Hallmark on a higher level"...
Let's face it, when the cast includes Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively, you know it's not going to be an Abel Ferrara-style movie.
The trailer makes it clear Ryle is an abuser. Did people not see the trailer or read the novel - wonder why they went to see it. Interesting name of Atlas - Holding the world on his shoulders. The phrase “Saving women”. The frame with that is women are just victims. Women are strong too. Don’t be the victim.
I get that it may be a common fear, but the fetishization of victimhood in female-centric media is disturbing in how it reflects the psychology of the makers and the audience. Seems the only female characters allowed are either 'girl bosses' or helpless victims and the only male characters are meek lambs or predators. Of course even the same characters flip back and forth between those extremes. It seems so artificial.
👍🖖🏽
As usual, the audiences probably not only hadn't read the book, but had no idea it's a book. Do people ever read anymore? Anyway, I am a horror freak, but I don't usually like horror romance/horror relationship films because it gets really tropey and cliche, especially when the good guy turns bad is SO predictable. But this sounds it might not be like that. I don't mind the bait and switch as long as it's done well.
Who cares if it is a book?
It sounds like you guys liked the movie.
No, they are now going woke hehe
Nothing made by the studios has been worth watching in a decade, nothing.
pssst, the Last Jedi heheh
Oppenheimer?
Dune 1 & 2 and Top Gun were two good ones everyone liked.
Jeezy peeps let the man talk
I don't understand the surprise, I saw the trailer and it's clear that the guy is an abuser.
Hi🌱
You totally missed the point. The point is to show the audience that we usually miss a lot of signs of abuse that our friends are victims. The disappointment is part of the experience. It's built into the movie for people to feel like that. Like you would feel when you find out that a friend is an abuser or a victim.
I figured that was the take away. We thought it was a sweet romance but it was a tragedy.
That is, firstly, generalising, secondly, it is preaching or propagandising not showing. Man bashing. Because we haven't had enough of that in the last forty years.
@@Norvik_-ug3ge What? Dude, get off the internet. Go touch grass.
There seems to be a lot of drama behind the scenes in the production of this movie: creative differences?
It seems the director and lead actor wanted to do the "message" movie, and the lead actress and cast members wanted a RomCom....
Personally, subverting expectations would be ideal for this type of movie, to hit home the message, instead of a Hallmark happily ever after, movie!
EXCEPT: they wanted to do a sequel, yikes...So it does NOT end with Us !!! Vicious Cycle
nobody wants 'the message' anymore.
The book has a sequel “It Starts With US.”
The two men were manly men too. Didn’t know they made them anymore.
They can do it if they're bad.
6.5 is a D
poor women, poor poor women...
Sounds bloody horrible.
Why did they sell the movie as a pure romantic flick? It's stupid. I bet everybody that went there, went there for that. Just sell the movie how it is about a romance and problems happening. Is the movie a thriller a la "Sleeping with my Enemy"? Cause they easily could have sold it this way. Many women like romantic thrillers. It could have worked. Also I think it sucks that so many movie portray dudes as brutal towards women. I just saw "The Beast Within" a werewolf movie with Kit Harington and it was the same damn crap!
Most women know the author it based on books are drama and problematic with themes of abusive and crap like that.
Ryle? Seriously? We're turning book-tok names into real names now?
I just now realized they made that awful book into a movie. I want to get off this planet at the next stop, please.
I seriously was thinking Blake Lively was a dude.
Yea same here. Her parents really wanted a boy I suppose.
well…he had to be white given the twist…
face-blue-smiling
Bro said he never seen a white man and a white woman in a movie together. lol dude that’s all you see in movies and if you do see interracial then there’s nothing wrong with that. Hell you see more interracial marriage in real life than in movies. You guys are corny.
I disagree about how it should have been a normal rom-com, because I believe that when adapting IP it is important to be faithful to the original intent of the author. If this had been a fantasy novel, or game adaptation and had changed the entire point of the IP there would be protest. eg. let's give Paul Atreides a heroes arc and he can be the good guy because everyone loves a hero.
Everyday in the US, Three women will die due to domestic violence, by either a current or estranged partner. (at a rate of 2.6 killings per 100,000) Women are conditioned by each other social norms and media into believing that jealousy, possessiveness and many forms of manipulative and coercive behaviour is love in disguise. Even as young girls we are told the reason that boy hurts you is because he secretly likes you.
This film is a warning and explanation about how easy it is to miss the red flags. The film also addresses how DV can become a generational issue hence the title it ends with us.
And how many men die from DV, or dont they count?
@@chasx7062 In 2021 about 6% of all men killed were DV victims. Compared to 34% of women killed.
@@chasx7062About 40% of such violence is perpetrated on male victims. Hardly any shelters for those victims, no movies asking us to cry for them, or get angry, they are ignored, mocked et cetera. The narrative is to bash men, all men.
Riley Kincaid? Atlas? Lily Bloom? omg this sounds so shite
I remember from the trailer thinking something bad had happened between them and I thought he had cheated or something but wasn’t expecting the DV angle
I am not interested in a romantic movie.
Bad dad and bad husband. The only drama they can come up with. Lazy writing.
Yeah sounds like a pass from me. Kinda over the "men bad" dogma.
Is it really "White" movie wannabe? The Director who is also the lead actor is middle eastern or jewish brown, so really the actor for love interest should have been the abuser heheh
Gay
You know I’m starting to think your fans that comment are just haters in an echo chamber with no one actually seeing any of these movies. It was a solid movie based on a huge best selling book. Saying it was a BAIT AND SWITCH is redunckulis.
Another YTer who listened to the audiobook, said the book was shyte, juvenile and doesnt deal with the issues properly.
It seems like Chris went in blind and just wanted to see if the movie was good. I don’t know about the viewers, but I think they’re mostly male so a movie like this wouldn’t appeal to them by default unless it’s exceptionally amazing. Same thing with women and male oriented movies.
@@ab-gail I’m sure the girl in me is more googly eyed for Blake but they are pro reviewers. I mean just a little more objectively please. lol. But yeah I know the fellas are just trolling for fun
It surprises me that there wasn’t a trigger warning on that, when it seems like every romance book I read has trigger warnings for “dominate male behavior” when a man dares to even raise his voice at a woman 🫢
Seriously? There are trigger warnings in those books?
I pretty sure she wrote a book called Trigger Warning. 😂😂😂