Leg protection for HEMA - Red Dragon vs. baseball knee/shin guards
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
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I can't find a good online source for the Rawlings TTNLGI baseball leg guards (in adult size at least), but I would recommend going to a local sports store anyway to try on different models and see what fits best.
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Cons of the Baseball knee/shin guards: you feel less like a Gundam.
It's not the mobile suit, but the pilot inside.
Perfect name for the perfect reply to the perfect comment.
In other news, I can confirm this to be true. I once forced Amuro to retreat during a mission on EF vs. PoZ back on the PS2, and he's technically invincible in that game.
Midget Tosser That's actually pretty cool. That game's been on my "to play" list for years, but I can never find a reasonably priced copy in good condition. I played it once at a friend's house when I was 9, so I barely remember it.
Char Aznable Yeah, I'll have to see if I can find one for my niece's PS3, now that you mention it. That'll be a nice bit of nostalgia.
Midget Tosser She's got one of the backward's compatible ones? Nice. I've got a slim and a 20GB with a busted disc drive.
I've been getting into the Gundam Breaker games. They're pretty good, albeit not for everyone. The Extreme VS series is excellent, though. It's so much fun kicking Amuro around with Char is Coming or Tobe Gandamu playing in the background. I find myself grinning ear to ear with nostalgia.
The best part is that the baseball ones look like fantasy armor.
No no, they look like sports equipment, clearly you've lived a pointless sheltered nerd life
+Chowder Stevens "fantasy armour". Yeah, nerdiness was heavily implied.
+Chowder Stevens before you run your mouth, you should check your picture. I don't think you have any room to be making fun of anyone if you look like you belong on the short bus.
+Matthew Brown dude that guys picture has been all over the Internet for years, its 99.9% certain to not be him
James Wood guess I haven't seen it in my circles. If that's true though, I'm pretty much watching the pot call the kettle black.
Skall, I just want to say that I appreciate everything you do for your subs. You link stores for everything in the description, you don't beg for subs, and you are completely honest about your reviews.
Thank you.
your knees will never be protected well enough from arrows...or pommels
i was an adventurer like you,but then i took a pommel to the knee
+Maximiliano Hübner You didnt get that Skyrim reference, or did you ?
+Annelise Meier He probably did and ruined it intentionally.
Everyone knows pommels can glide through materials like butter
+BensRandomness At sufficient velocity they simply incinerate everything in the way.
FYI the Red Dragons are a direct copy of motorcross / speedway protection. Same producer sells for a 3rd of the price but with a differant color and mark on it.
Really like the new intro!
The beard jewellery is pretty damd cool aswel
I love the interesting way of keeping knee coverage on the Red Dragon, but the others definitely look better. Just seeing the thumbnail, I thought they were the opposite of what they are.
I also had the issue with the Red Dragon knee and shin guards sliding down on my legs. I've discovered that if you cross the bottom two straps, that seems to largely stop that from happening.
This was a very good video. Some of my friends and I were actually looking for functional leg protection. This helped a lot. Thanks.
np
what did u conclude to buy and why ?
Windownsmp I bought the baseball style leg guards because they seemed much better.
I've used them a lot and they work perfectly.
I really like these HEMA-gear videos, thanks for them! :)
I'm really happy you left the "awkward exit" in :D and of course, thanks for the video!
Red Dragon? I prefer Bad Dragon.
Like mythical orc armor from lord of the rings where all spikes are replaced with dragon dildos
I am offended by this comment.
Disliked.
it would be cool if they made bit silicon boots, like Gwar's. with like dragon and doggy feet on them.
soft silicon soles. to be used in bed, or for furry costumes!
I don't know what to say, so I'll leave it to that...
They sell some great swords.
I love those Rawlings guards for sparring. Had mine for over a year now, NO issues.
looking super healthy Skall, keep up the good work!
I have baseball shin guard for my first HEMA legs protection.
Been very happy since.
Mobility is good, protection is good, comfortable enough to wear literally a whole day.
The new intro really is nice!
I'll have you know that laying on the ground and stabbing people in the knee is my favored fighting style.
I'm glad a community like this exists
That ending is perfect...your clowning around is always nice:)
And interesting video...wouldn't guess that best leg guards for HEMA would be baseball guards.
You know, the baseball shin-guards do not look bad. I would even say it looks more intimidating than the Red Dragon version.
First time I've seen that intro from you, that looks great!
Oh Skall....how awesome you are as always.
subbed because you deserve 1mil subs and much much more...im not even that interested in swords lol but your videos are still great to watch, hope that is a good compliment!
UHHH Nice new Intro you got there Skall!
I'm not particularly tall and I have a pair of Red Dragons, too. I solved the problem about them sliding down my legs by crossing the straps crossways behind my knees (top one snaps in the lower position and vice versa). They rarely ever slide down any more.
I found a local HEMA alliance group local to me! :-) can't wait to get fully involved!
depending on where you live in Canada try looking for a place called play it again sports they sell used base ball equipment. I work at one here in the states and we always have lots of used catchers gear. also, criss cross the two middle straps if you find them uncomfortable behind your knee.
I'm digging that crossbow background decoration.
The new intro is badass.
Great video, I especially like the ending.
Not only a vastly informative video
but quirky humor at the end :)
the new intro is awesome but I personally like the metal music one better lol
and those baseball ones look awesome
Skal, I have seen leg armor similar to baseball guard but made for crowd control. They are sold in police and tactical stores. Some of these have thigh padding as well...
@Skallagrim I do believe the reason why the back of the leg is not covered is for heat ventilation sake if you wore a pair of full grieves you would definitely be feeling the heat also the muscle in the back you for your legs have a tendency to flex when adjusting stances this would be problematic for synthetic plastic grieve backs...
Woah, Skall! Sorry that this is really unrelated to the content but hair and beard is looking very nice!
I'm thoroughly impressed at your capacity for awkwardness.
that new intro animation is really cool
Hi a user of the red dragon guards here. Two tips that might help solve some of the issues with them:
1: Crossing the two lower straps might help with the sliding issue it does for me at least and I've seen other people do it as well.
2: I'm a pretty tall guy so to protect the lower part of the shin I wear a pair of soccer shin guards beneath the red dragon ones. The soccer guards are some junior size so they are rather small and just barely overlaps with the red dragon ones so it works well for comfort as well.
The baseball guards look great though but I think those two tips might be of use for some people already owning the red dragon ones.
Been using baseball shin guards for decade to protect from Cold Steel polypropylene weapons practice. And a lacrosse goalie chest piece with shoulder pads and actual sabre-grade (not electrified) competition helmets. Arm guards are "doubled" old school taekwondo fingerless forearms covered by lacrosse forearm guards. Hands cover by hockey gloves ...
First time I've seen the new intro looks pretty nice
love the intro keep up the good work
Using Red Dragon leg guards myself, I tend to find crossing the two top straps helps somewhat (though not fully) with keeping them in place.
That ending... love the silliness.
here, in Brazil, this is crazy....IM TOTAL INSANE! (also, we have fencing and HEMA here too! love it!)
if there's a concern about side/back of leg, cut an extension from a plastic barrel too add and either piano hinge or attach directly to paddling.
Thanks for the idea. I was looking for something for my bad knees.
That intro is perfect.
In my experience, hits to the leg are a lot less powerful than hits to the upper body plus all parts of the leg except for the knee and shin is protected by lots of muscle so a good protection for the knee and shin are important, the rest not so much.
Hits to the foot happen but have hardly any power usually.
I love this review and the exit Skall!
"I will awkwardly remove myself." Hahaha
Personally, I would never remove myself any other way.
YOURE AMAZING SKALLAGRIM
Awsome new intro
Back in my baseball days I always chucked when A 90 mile an hour (~145 kmh) fast ball just bounced off my leg guards and I barely felt it. I imagine they work pretty well for sparing yea.
Skallagrim, I really think you should make a full-length video on how to put on the knee pads, complete with commentary and hand drawn diagrams
+skallagrim your hair looks dope!🙌😎
+skallagrim and your beard too..
You can get wedges of padding to attach to the back of the catchers leg guards
you could use ice hockey one, they are really similar and some model also have part of the back of your leg cover
Skall, can you talk a little bit about the flammarde, or similar wavy-edged sword designs? Is there any advantage, or is it just for style? Do they compromise a lot of strength by making the blade so wavy? Sorry if you have already addressed this, I searched your channel for a few keywords but couldn't find anything
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Just to give my two cents, from what I've read it's mostly aestethic. The source on wikipedia says that it helps parrying incoming blows - the waves would help slowing/catching the oponent's weapon, or make it vibrate wich could help on disarming - but without proper testing I don't really know if this would really work.
Theoretically a thrust with a wavy blade would leave a wider wound than a straight one, but if a sharp piece of metal is entering someone's body, that person is in trouble anyway... I've also read some guy in a forum saying that the waves would improve cutting because of the smaller portion of the blade making contact with the target, but I don't really think the difference would be that big.
I know, it's not very conclusive, but that's what I have... I don't think the shape would compromise the blade's strenght if its geometry is good, but it would be a lot harder to make a blade like this. Please forgive any grammar mistakes, english is not my primary language...
Cheers
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well, with slicing it could potentially make a strait blade design more effective. Some of the best slicing knives have a re-curve blade that amplifies cutting so a wavy design would or could replicate that multiple times as the blade pulled through.
+Adagamante No need to worry about your grammar. It's much better than most comments made by people who do have English as their primary language.
Whoa whoa whoa...Canadian? I admit, I always assumed you were in the UK or Europe.
Not that I'm complaining, nice to get more feedback from a local!
I don't usually click the like button but that ending just made me want to do it.
Hockey shin guards are awesome. At least in my opinion in terms of being light and effective and very protective to high impact. But I have also played hockey for a long time so I may have a squed opinion on them. But they don’t slide down and can take one hell of a hit much better then baseball guards, but that’s just me.
If you sparr with nylonswords of such stuff, the baseballguards may be enough, but with steel-longswords the sideprotection of the knees is very important. To me it seems the baseballguards do not have this protection on the sides of the knee, but that is the part that was changed compared to regular motocross guards. In that point I agree with Matt Easton.
Thanks for the review, good as always. We're introducing full contact sparring with full body hit zone soon, so I was looking for quality knee/shinguards for whole group. Due to popularity of baseball in Poland and Europe generally it is almost impossible to find those guards anywhere, and if so, they are extremely expensive compared to the Red Dragons. Would You support them as the best gear in that situation?
Thanks I'll probably get the baseball ones for a cosplay i have planned
starting to like the new intro
me too
Agreed
He used it a long time ago, it's not new
It could be a bit longer though
I use SPES leg guards they work great
thanks for making a video
That ending! XD "I will awkwardly remove myself now." XD lol, hilarious.
I would think that you could take a moldable plastic and form a rear piece that you could then cut slots into, that would allow you to run your straps through them, giving you a rear piece to cover your calf. Just a thought.
Try some hockey shin guards I prefer the Bauer 190s over the mx3s because they go all the way around but you might like the vapor 1x shin guards 16 but they are the more expensive pair
what would you recomend for finger proteccion, something that doesnt affect mobility of hands to much
Hi Skal, it seems you are wearing the Red dragons too low. The upper part should have followed your leg (I refer to the position in 09:06). In that case, the middle strap could go above the calf muscles and would offer better grip, thus the guards would slide down less. It helps a bit, though after prolonged walking (especially if jumping or quick movement is involved) the problem tends to present itself. Try that way in case you'll have to use them again. My experience comes from motorcycles. The guards look very similar to moto-guards, though for motorcycles, there's an assumption that a moto-boot should fit below the guards.
Good to know!
Skallagrim, Of Kings And Men's free public beta came out and it has a very realistic combat system. please try it and make a video!
I had some kneepads that had a similar elastic strap to the red dragon and they would always slip down too.
It might be worth tying the red dragons to a belt like a plate harness? Just tie some cord through an air hole and loop it through a belt. Not sure how the mechanics will work though?
I'm curious about how well the elastic straps stay fastened for you.
Myself I changed them out quite fast as the leg guards kept on sliding down to the point that it limited how much I could bend my ankle forward. I may note that I have quite muscular legs and large calves which made it a bit hard to find a good fit.
I've used mostly hockey shin guards with added knee guards since I've found them to fit quite well. Additionally many of these guards offer good protection to the back of the calves. I do find these to be a bit of a hassle to put on sometimes and it could be nice to have just 2 pieces of gear to carry.
Also, I wonder what kind of shoes you would recommend for practice. Myself I usually use flat soled basketball shoes since I like the high rim around the back of the heel.
Fuck man, i love that new intro. Whom is the artist?
If you lay the weak snaps on a hard surface, give the male end a light tap with a ball peen hammer. This will expand the snap slightly an make a tighter fit. Cheers
Skall! Plenty of hockey shinpads have protection that wraps around the back of the calves. Opinions? They work wonders when you are getting slashed with a composite stick.
I'm one that will most likely go for the back of the legs, though that may be due to my training in japanese jitsu styles of sword fighting
have you tried hockey shin pads? a little bulky looking but surprisingly workable and they come in specific sizes to ensure a good fit
something like this with padding on the back could help with the back of the leg issue you were talking about www.sportchek.ca/product/332010733.html?gclid=CjwKEAjw3Nq9BRCw8OD6s4eI5HASJABsfCIaF6c21COB70Nm8sSNz8Xz-D-tdY-wINjuH-ae66V72BoC4Gbw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds#332010733=332010737
Hey, I was thinking of purchasing a sword from Darksword Armory and the reviews online have been mixed. I think you've already reviewed something of theirs (gauntlets?) but I was wondering if you could do a sword review. Love your channel!
Nice video but the red dragon ones really got me thinking.
They appear to follow the principle of articulation found in late medieval greaves and demi greaves with the sliding 'plates' along with straps to secure around the upper and lower legs. However for the plate armour there was the addition of pointing by lifting the pieces up with thread to a holding belt around the waist or specific arming garment's hem or waistline. This served the dual purposes of preventing the plate slipping on the leg, as well as preventing it rubbing the top of the foot.
Do you think a modern take could be worthwhile for a company to look at? The construction of the baseball greaves certainly looks good with far more straps and the top of the foot and ankles protected too but your upper thigh still seems fairly vulnerable, would a modern take on pointing allow for a more comfortsble wear of a more enclosed piece maybe?
Food for thought
I was just thinking that... It would certainly help the universal size to actually fit most of people. It could even be a removable piece, so that you'd use it only if you felt the need.
So how long has he had Medieval: TW Viking Invasion music in the intro?
the red dragon ones look like they need another strap for the thigh, the knee didnt seem to be functioning when your bent your leg. why it kept sliding down maybe?
Noice, plus the baseball ones look cooler haha :p
Btw do you still have your steel armour pieces for your arms and legs you got from armstreet? Haven't seen those in a vid for a long time.
skalla what do you thing about the Miekka okaat by David DelaGardelle? looks nice but i dont kno if it would be practical.
How long can you wear them, without them getting annoying and hurting. I know from when I dislocated my knee cap I needed to wear this prothese thing (I don´t know the English term) for nearly two month and it normally was quit annoying to wear. Not because it was fixed at 45° for the first weeks but because it tend to push into the calf and was painfull to wear these stuff.
BTW I think that is also the reason why there is no back protection at both of them, because of the muscle at the calf it is kind of hard to fit well and there needs to be some sort of room for movement.
The baseball one's are awesome. They look like Daedric armor.
great guards...
Very John Cleese ending.
I recall seeing similar shin guards for use buy someone acting as a sparing partner for Kick Boxing or for training so you don't hurt your shins to much... but these look much stronger.
I don wonder if some separate back of leg guard might exist for some other purpose that could be worn under those though. Perhaps there is something used by Motorcycle racing side car riders perhaps ?
The shin guards for kickboxing are not made out of plastic, they are usually made out of foam or gel, and do not have a knee protection, althought the form does look similar.
I find it funny the first leg guards you put on with buckles inside and the catchers leg guards you put right haha anyway rule of thumb buckles on the outside
Which one would offer the best protection from a pommel throw
Hi Skall,
main issue I saw on most baseball leg guards are the sides of the knees, which are actually the point you typically need to protect more than the front, as a cut most often will come from the outside hitting the outer side of your knee. Most baseball leg guards seem to have rather short (or at least: short-looking) side-of-the-knee-protection as this wouldn't be much of an issue actually playing baseball.
So do you or other club members have any experience with getting hits to the side of your knee with steel longswords wearing these?
10:04 And thats why we love you Skall.
any HEMA instruction channels you can recommend on UA-cam?
Hi Skal- me and a few of my friends are are interested in getting into HEMA and other traditional styles of swordplay (I'm interested in northern European/ Irish styles, another's interested in traditional Roman tactics and the third has a background in Bushido). I was just wondering if there were any books you could recommend for someone in the UK who's interested in this type of thing?
The lack of side protection from the baseball pads is to be expected. They are designed with the expressed purpose of protecting your legs from a baseball being thrown at you from directly in front of you. Though I wonder if there are any other types of leg protectors that may work better, like motocross or hockey pads. It's always a headache when you have to resort to searching for the best option because the product "designed" for the specific thing you are doing falls short of the mark.
Nice new intro.
But you got to say Skallagrim, the mechanism on the Dragon ones is way cooler, implying they would actually bend correctly.
I suppose if they made the upper part longer and made a second strap i would hold better and bend better, aswell as protect your whole tigh.