Life lessons. Each show has one and i appreciate them even though I'm now 68 years old. Watched these as a kid, and again some 15 years ago. As the old saying goes......everyone has to stand for something(freedom), or fall for anything. My father, taught me to stand up and be a man, and I'll never forget that or regret it.
Your father sounds like mine. I'm 67 now and watched some of these episodes with him, including our favorite, Combat, with Vic Morrow, which also had great stories. My father was in WW II and Korea at the last battle for Pork Chop Hill. He grew up in the mean streets of New Jersey during the depression. He could've turned out to be a career criminal but he went the other way and had more guts and honesty than most any body, and like your father, told me to always stand up for myself and others, always tell the truth. He truly was the greatest man I will ever know, like your father. Take care
@@joankersting2358 Unfortunately you are right. NOW, national organization for women started in 1966 and the left was all for it. Since the left controlled Hollywood, the schools, and the media, they slowly destroyed our nation.
A project request... Imagine... It's 1574...(?, Not exactly sure.). You get your copy of the "Muster Law." As issued by Queen Elizabeth I. Shot herself in foot, mechanizing democracy? Forced, to gather / muster... ... Frequently... ... Same time... ... Same place... ... Properly equipped... ... Fined, if: late, absent, or not properly equipped. ... For neighborhood incident management capabilities ... For comprehensive contingencies-management capabilities ... For "mustering" / gathering.. .. to resolve crucial Issues, too! (Knowledge, education, training, experience, talent, skills, wisdom......). (Food, water, shelter, shielding, medical, fire, waste, security, enforcers, logistics, liaison... Minute Men, Women, Kids, Elders... (So, each "Posting" was always filled, if "Primary" was sick, etc.) In a 21st century context... Through, a neutral objective logistics liaison Matrix non-profit NGO (Operations "Projects"). (Suffrage, Infrastructure, Environment, Education, Sciences, Technology, Admin, Social, Legal, Culture, Commerce, Economy, Republic, Security, Legislation, Logistics, Liaison..... This could sure use your voices, and votes. With it, we could start up, immediately! We need younger Vets, who know the newer stuff. We need them to give us basic Admin, and Ops. A place to consolidate and coordinate resources. We need former Staff and Officers, to build our SOP backbone, correctly! While electing our best, from among our best, to do it! As our secondary manual backup system. Disaster and Emergency Services...- ... "Support, Systems, and Services." For mitigation, preparedness, response, and recovery. Throughout all Sectors: Public, Private, Government. So "We..." can snuggle, with a "republic." Through the buffer of an NGO. Honorably! Professionally! Semper Fidelis...!... Standing by...!...........
Tell that to KC Campbell, who landed her Warthog after it had taken the kind of combat damage the B-17's did. There is a sad whining underbelly in the US today but I am not part of it.
I watched this show every week, I as a kid and I wanted a hat like Robert Lansing wore for Christmas, guess we didn't have any Army/Navy Surplus stores near by. Got a model of a B-17. I grew up on a farm for us 1 Present the rest new clothes. Kid's are spoiled now/ Heck you only had 3 to 4 channels back then, you were outside either working or playing and watched what your parents watched. Good luck the only show my Mom wanted to watch was Lawerence Welk, so my Dad and I got to see 12 O Clock, Combat, Man from Uncle, Batman, Gunsmoke, Mc Hale's Navy and many more on the old 19" black and white TV...Good Times. Thanks for posting the shows brings back alot of memories.
If there was internet shopping back then they most certainly would've found you a hat, and at a probably quite cheaper--relatively speaking--expense too. /// Yes, I remember the days of the three major network channels, and CBS not always reliable because it came from a 100 miles away at Jacksonville. Since I entered the realm of what we might call "awareness" in the later 1960's, there was also a newly added fourth channel by then: PBS Television! I dreamily remember Channel 2 out of Orlando and it's first offering at 6 am in the morning: The Farmers' Almanac. This was a time when plants were still being grown in Florida, before they started primarily growing condos and subdivisions. ;)
Same as me. My dad was in the Texas 36th division. Fought at Salerno and Monte Casino. His brother flew B24's in the Mighty 8th about the same time in the Executive Squadron. Pilot for General Mark Clark. Flew Ike to the Yalta conference.
The opening scene reminded me of a story my dad told me many many years ago. He flew for the 9th Air Force, 391st Bombardment Group flying out of Matching Green England in 1944 .It was an old RAF base with minimal barracks for the crews .So some crews including my father's were sleeping in their pup tents because of lack of space . Well there was a abandoned security building not far from their bivouac area . His crew took over the building and fixed it up and with a sleeping area and a improvised bar . I think my Dad was a little on the crazy/ wild side back then . Then again anyone willing to sit in the plexiglass nose of a B-26 as a Bombardier/ Navigator with just a 50 cal. to protect himself from BF 109's , FW 190's and an occasional ME 262 78 times with 3 of the missions on D-Day had more balls than brains . He was a recipient of the " Distinguish Flying Cross" for bravery above and beyond and will turn 101 years old this coming September 2023. He has been and always will be my hero !!!!!GOD BLESS YOU DAD FOR EVERYTHING YOU DID FOR ME , YOUR FAMILY,, OUR COUNTRY AND THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF EUROPE . YOU AND YOUR FELLOW SOLDIERS ARE DEFINITELY THE GREATEST GENERATION !! I WILL NEVER FORGET !! AND I PROMISE TO TELL YOUR STORY UNTIL I BREATHE MY LAST BREATH !! MY GOD BLESS YOU WITH THE PEACE YOU DESERVE !!
My most sincere and respectful regards to your dad. He, and all those who did this job, are my heroes too. May God continue to bless him and your family.
@@bigal1863 Well I do appreciate your recognition of my dad's service . He's a real humble man . I didn't know he was a recipient of the DFC until his 80th B-day when he gave me his Medal. He's a good man and great father . You would like him .
I'm an old lady and I have to agree and it's nice to see someone young who has an appreciation for the older shows. I know you're probably 15 or so now, but don't ever let that love slip away. :)
I think it fascinating that KEIR DULLEA and GARY LOCKWOOD both starred in separate episodes of TWELVE O'CLOCK HIGH, only to be joined together in Stanley Kubrick's 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY. I love these guys
Note what is said at 33:41 about "swinging the compass". It was mentioned before. Before inertial navigation, periodically planes had to be swung around a 360 deg circle and the compass "adjusted" every 10deg for accuracy (engine vibrations cause minute changes) doesnt take much error over 12-1300 miles to miss a target.. In 1962 it took us almost 3 hrs to swing a brand new A3J first time off the assembly line. (It may have taken less later on.[??]) These days with magnetic north moving as rapidly as it is, it would be a nitemare to try and keep a fleet in shape. Thank goodness for inertial!!!!
@@johnrogan9420 What do you mean WHAT? pretty plain. Well maybe not to someone who doesnt know electronic compasses. An aircraft compass is not a magnetized needle floating in a vat of liquid.. The A3J had an electronic box in the belly with an adjustment for every one of those 36 ten degree points. When the plane was pulled to 'the' place on the compass circle on the ground, a tech adjusted THAT little knob on the box till the compass in the cockpit read the exact heading.on the dial. The knob was locked and they moved on to the next setting. Time consuming but necessary. More so in the days of piston enginned planes where vibration was very significant.
As a former B-52 Nav,, if you were off heading the calculation was known as the 1 in 60 rule. For every degree off heading, and every 60 miles you travel, you will be 1 mile off your planned track. say 3 degrees, over 1,200 miles, and you my friend are 60 miles away from where you thought you're supposed to be.
For 8 yrs I played golf with a B-17 bombardier, flew 17 mission before war ended. Unfortunately I never talked to him about his experiences. That was in the late 1980s. Wish he was around now to comment on this series and his experiences. Never talked to my dad either. First army , First lieutenant, Signal Corp . 44-46. Hated Montgomery. Was at Acchen, 44.
Just two years later Kier Dullea would be working on 2001, which is one of the most important film ever. When he was making this episode he had no idea he would part of film history just a few years later.
Yes Gary Lockwood was great in everything,inluding the first StarTrek episode, "Where No Man has Gone Before" He was great in that as in everything he did!
Henry E. Erwin. He was from here in Alabama, I remember reading about him in our Alabama history book in elementary school. It was in the Pacific in a B-29. He was every bit a hero, an amazing display of self sacrifice for others. There were many others among the greatest generation.
@@wyldebyll3089 Wow! Thanks for telling us about him. The heroism of Muller in this episode is not even close to what Irwin did. Here's the Wikipedia story: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_E._Erwin
Yes, he did. And after he left (What they did to the character, to me, was disrespectful), the show pretty much tanked. I have watched the whole series, but the first season really holds my interest with the intensity of acting and quality stories. Miss Lansing. He just had a way of looking intense even without uttering a word. :)
One aircraft ,a crew of ten. One direct hit ,one plane one crew, and as a bomber pilot and your crew will bare witness to this and may God help you when you watch your friends die at 15,000ft
Yes. And based on casualty records the circumstance of total crew loss happened far more frequently than I'd imagined. G-forces are a bitch pinning those inside all the way down. Time enough for a medium prayer, extreme fear, and a cry.
Love love this series It's history of the war.behind the scenes of the brave men and women who fought for.freedom of democracy and everything else that is good in this world ❤❤❤
Actually, in the Vietnam War Airman John Levitow grabbed a huge flare that was about to ignite and threw it out a C-130 flareship and was awarded the Medal of Honor.
Henry Red Erwin won the MOH in my Dad's B-29 outfit on Guam in WWII, the only B-29 member who ever won the medal. He actually picked up a burning flare, carried it from his radio compartment and threw it out the co-pilot's window, saving the plane and the crew. His was quite the ordeal. warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/medal-of-honor-recipient-henry-red-erwin/
Yes,that is correct! It's a true act of sefless heroism! Not to downplay other heros. IMHO anyone who wore the Amerian uniform in combat anywhere was a hero! Some though were exeptional.
With all due respect to Paul Burke, the second season , never lived up to my expectations . Without Robert Lansing , the series floundered , Paul Burke , was a poor substitute for the likes of Gen. Savage , it was like watching a little boy , attempting to fill a Man's shoes, (Robert's shoes ) ! Robert Lansing , was 12 O' High and 12 O' High , was Robert Lansing ............
The powers that be felt Lansing was too old looking and they wanted someone younger. Kill him off was their fix. Interestingly enough, Paul Burke was older than Lansing but looked much younger.
They dont write like that anymore. Anything now is trash compared to those old shows. When I got the 1st season of Route 66 on video, I was shocked to find the level of writing. Stirling Silliphant was a top notch writer; he wrote most of the episodes. These shows are like movies, deep and serious and super entertaining. I love 12 oclock too. Sea Hunt, etc, etc. Im glad I lived through the real golden era of TV. Great shows to watch as a teenager. Not leaving out Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, you name it. Loved seeing Keir Dullea. Hes top notch actor, was on Ist episode of Rte 66, on the great film David and Lisa (which I saw 9 times the week I first saw it on TV , in1966) and many times since, then was a David again on 2001.
This comment has probably been made a 100 times but, has anybody else noticed how much the 12 o'clock high music sounds like Star Trek at certain points?
they clearly "borrowed" the star trek cues from this show,no question about it. Even the show Baa Baa Black Sheep "borrowed" from this show (the lamb song). They even had a man named "Borg" on 12 o'clock high that star trek "borrowed"
I can't say that about my old man. He left my mother when I was younger, but his brothers and my mother's brother, made up for his mistakes. My Uncles were all in the military. They were all great men. It was because of them, that I enlisted in the Air Force. Never forget the things they did for my mother and my 10 siblings. I am one of the youngest.
The plots were horrible. Everyone overacted. Way too much drama. And still I'm binge watching! I was age 6 when this series began. Loved it then and so grateful to find it again here.
This episode combines the element of Lt. Zimmerman from the movie and the Medal of Honor action of Henry Erwin. Sgt Erwin threw a WP bomb out of his B-29 when it ignited inside the aircraft.
I really do wish that the combat sequences had been varied a little between episodes, the poor old FW-190 that keeps getting shot down and the same ball turret and waste gunners, it’s so monotonous, even back in the 1950s and 1960s, perhaps more so than today, the combat footage must have been available in vast quantities. This episode is probably one of the best so far, it explores the conflict that many people must have felt when faced with a war between their birthplace and the ancestral home and birthplace of their parents and ancestors, the prejudice that they must have encountered, even from lifelong friends and neighbours, and their own governments, the internment of American citizens of Japanese decent in America, British citizens of German and Italian decent, and probably others, prejudice that we, or for the most part, all would find not only strange but disgusting to boot, your nationality is not only dictated by your ancestral blood but by your core values and beliefs, I am sure that there were enemy spy’s and sympathisers in all those groups, but probably no more than in the “indigenous “ population, but rather than “weeding” out those individuals it was easier to intern them all and treat them as hostile, generating hatred and more prejudices, and for those interned, it generates the same feelings of hate and prejudice towards their “jailers “ and former friends, the very feelings portrayed in this episode, but without the happy ending. A question for the USAAF history buffs, would or did the USAAF ever send single heavy bombers out on such deadly missions, surly medium or light bombers designed for such operations would be more likely???? Or is this mission as they say “poetic license “???.
Re over-and-over aerial combat footage, yes there was lots of footage available but the vast majority was from fighter aircraft gun cameras which was unlikely technically/visually sutable to the circumstance of a fighter being shot down by B-17 guns. As for Japanese internment, it was wartime at the gravest level, the very existence of the U.S. was at stake and the outcome far from certain. Mobilization of the country and all its citizens was an imperative. Necessary to that end was hatred of the enemy (and Pearl Harbor made that easy). Roosevelt, far from right wing, signed the executive order for internment. A good and necessary decision. Yes it wasn't exactly fair and confiscation without later compensation was particularly egregious, but what few seem to realize is that under the the prevailing circumstance, internment no doubt saved hundreds if not thousands of Nisei and Japanese non-citizen lives. This was no time for shallow sissy men, tough hardcore decisions were requisite and America then had the men who could make them. Re B-17 low level bridge attack, yes that's unlikely though possible and a mission more suitable to medium bombers. If you listened, Savage makes reference to failed attempts by Martin B-26s (medium bombers) to knock out the bridge so the producers were cognizant. Any solo B-17 attack would certainly have been made longitudinal to the bridge not as portrayed, but there again it was about the footage available. Yes the series is fraught with technical errors and one could spend all there time pointing them out. But Why? The series was intended to be about the extreme mental stress associated with aerial combat on missions in which crew had forehand knowledge of the high odds against them. If one is intent on finding fault, try and find fault with that, and good luck. As for technical errors I believe the producers did an adequate job for the most part given budget constraints.
@Maria Kelly So based on your comment I found and watched 'I Am The Enemy'. It was indeed very good, entirely appropriate to the original concept and one of my favorites to date in spite of Lansing's non-presence. Particular depth that episode... the exploration of self loathing, or in this case more specifically loathing one's roots... the emotional and caring aspect between people... seems Shatner's acting was improved when face-to-face with actress Elen Willard. The concept that the crazy crazy are not wanted, only the acceptably crazy. So thank you for recommending it to the somewhat ambiguous 'You'. Oh, one more thing.... I notice that you responded to one of my other posts (this episode) with a, shall we say, blatantly political statement. One of the things I've enjoyed about this channel is the sensibilities and good manners of the vast majority here who understand that this is not the place for political/religious views. I'm not a rabid Trump supporter by any stretch but do find it unpleasant and unacceptable to find a 'political sign' (of any stripe) staked into the 'front lawn' of one of my posts. In fact I consider it just plain rude... and would ask that the poster remove said sign, post haste. I'll check on that over the next couple of days and if it comes down so will *this* comment, and then the matter will be over. Barring that I'll either assume you weren't aware of this comment (highly improbable) or vastly more likely, weren't swayed by common courtesy/decency, and I'll remove said 'sign' myself.
If you want to talk about monotonous combat footage, try watching the TV show Baa Baa Black Sheep from the 1970's . Until that show I didn't realize that the Pacific Ocean had soooo many mountains that looked just like the California coast line, and those mountains sticking up everywhere. hahahhaha
Emansnas Thank you for your answer and for dealing with the questions that often come up on the HIGH sites, so well. Much appreciated. I've also been appreciating the discussions on "light aircraft " vs. use of the show's B17s in various episodes. Much to consider.
sometimes in this show the footage depicts a German fighter attack and it is actually a P51 . Its just make believe using stock footage....lets not take it too seriously
20:10 MY NAME IS KURT MÜLLER . should be rather poronouced Miller would be the English equivalent to MÜLLER. Technically one of the most interesting episodes. I just wonder Müller was not in some Internment Camp like most of those Germans being involved with those Old Homelandgroups.
Agreed, my father would tell us stories about those times as you see from my name we had to go through that. We used to spell our name with two(2) N's and had to drop the second N. It did not help much. There is no way he would have introduced himself as Muller. My family went so far as to pronounce our name as "Lemon" until years after the war.
The only enlisted man in the Air force to be awarded the Medal Of Honor, got it for grabbing burning ordinance, hold it to his body until he got to the open door and threw it out , but that was in Vietnam.
@@lsmart I know it is a sniggling little lawyer type point, but the "Air Force"did not exist until 1948 (i put 16 years in the Air Force and Four in the Marines), so prior to that it would be US ARMY Air Corps.
@@imjusttoodissgusted5620 You vets really are too word and detail specific for me, though I obviously say that with the deepest sense of respect for your service. But if it is indeed the "Air Force" you are referring to, what Vietnam case involved this type of incident?
people in the military today deal with the UCMJ , in WW2 it did not exist so court martial was the only way to deal with problems. and a court martial is a federal offence while punishment under the UCMJ is not.
Why on earth would they have incendiaries for a target requiring high explosive?. A single plane and they waste space with incendiary bombs. Never in a million years.
at 43:51 it shows him going into a building marked "officer's quarters" yet at 44:26 there is an enlisted man in the group. Not sure that would ever happen!
Life lessons. Each show has one and i appreciate them even though I'm now 68 years old. Watched these as a kid, and again some 15 years ago. As the old saying goes......everyone has to stand for something(freedom), or fall for anything. My father, taught me to stand up and be a man, and I'll never forget that or regret it.
Your father sounds like mine. I'm 67 now and watched some of these episodes with him, including our favorite, Combat, with Vic Morrow, which also had great stories. My father was in WW II and Korea at the last battle for Pork Chop Hill. He grew up in the mean streets of New Jersey during the depression. He could've turned out to be a career criminal but he went the other way and had more guts and honesty than most any body, and like your father, told me to always stand up for myself and others, always tell the truth. He truly was the greatest man I will ever know, like your father. Take care
I’m afraid it’s the older guys not yet feminized by years under the women’s movement that still hold those values.😊
@@joankersting2358 Unfortunately you are right. NOW, national organization for women started in 1966 and the left was all for it. Since the left controlled Hollywood, the schools, and the media, they slowly destroyed our nation.
A project request... Imagine...
It's 1574...(?, Not exactly sure.).
You get your copy of the "Muster Law."
As issued by Queen Elizabeth I.
Shot herself in foot, mechanizing democracy?
Forced, to gather / muster...
... Frequently...
... Same time...
... Same place...
... Properly equipped...
... Fined, if: late, absent, or not properly equipped.
... For neighborhood incident management capabilities
... For comprehensive contingencies-management capabilities
... For "mustering" / gathering..
.. to resolve crucial Issues, too!
(Knowledge, education, training, experience, talent, skills, wisdom......).
(Food, water, shelter, shielding, medical, fire, waste, security, enforcers, logistics, liaison...
Minute Men, Women, Kids, Elders...
(So, each "Posting" was always filled, if "Primary" was sick, etc.)
In a 21st century context...
Through, a neutral objective logistics liaison Matrix non-profit NGO (Operations "Projects").
(Suffrage, Infrastructure, Environment, Education, Sciences, Technology, Admin, Social, Legal, Culture, Commerce, Economy, Republic, Security, Legislation, Logistics, Liaison.....
This could sure use your voices, and votes.
With it, we could start up, immediately!
We need younger Vets, who know the newer stuff.
We need them to give us basic Admin, and Ops.
A place to consolidate and coordinate resources.
We need former Staff and Officers, to build our SOP backbone, correctly!
While electing our best, from among our best, to do it!
As our secondary manual backup system.
Disaster and Emergency Services...-
... "Support, Systems, and Services."
For mitigation, preparedness, response, and recovery.
Throughout all Sectors: Public, Private, Government.
So "We..." can snuggle, with a "republic."
Through the buffer of an NGO.
Honorably!
Professionally!
Semper Fidelis...!...
Standing by...!...........
Tell that to KC Campbell, who landed her Warthog after it had taken the kind of combat damage the B-17's did. There is a sad whining underbelly in the US today but I am not part of it.
I watched this show every week, I as a kid and I wanted a hat like Robert Lansing wore for Christmas, guess we didn't have any Army/Navy Surplus stores near by. Got a model of a B-17. I grew up on a farm for us 1 Present the rest new clothes. Kid's are spoiled now/ Heck you only had 3 to 4 channels back then, you were outside either working or playing and watched what your parents watched. Good luck the only show my Mom wanted to watch was Lawerence Welk, so my Dad and I got to see 12 O Clock, Combat, Man from Uncle, Batman, Gunsmoke, Mc Hale's Navy and many more on the old 19" black and white TV...Good Times. Thanks for posting the shows brings back alot of memories.
Wow, sounds just like my story!
If there was internet shopping back then they most certainly would've found you a hat, and at a probably quite cheaper--relatively speaking--expense too. /// Yes, I remember the days of the three major network channels, and CBS not always reliable because it came from a 100 miles away at Jacksonville. Since I entered the realm of what we might call "awareness" in the later 1960's, there was also a newly added fourth channel by then: PBS Television! I dreamily remember Channel 2 out of Orlando and it's first offering at 6 am in the morning: The Farmers' Almanac. This was a time when plants were still being grown in Florida, before they started primarily growing condos and subdivisions. ;)
I watched the same.
Same as me. My dad was in the Texas 36th division. Fought at Salerno and Monte Casino. His brother flew B24's in the Mighty 8th about the same time in the Executive Squadron. Pilot for General Mark Clark. Flew Ike to the Yalta conference.
Who else thinks Robert Lansing is awesome in 2019?
He plays a good as did Gregory Peck in the movie Twelve O'Clock High . They have the same facial features . Go to season one ,1st ,episode .
Daryle F Zanuck. The movie ,Twelve O'Clock High ,1949, 20th Century Fox . Thank you . The B-17 Flying that was crashed radio call , G K R .
Yep, you said it, he's got that look, it's the eyes
Except for those nasty cigarettes.
Maria Kelly you know he can time travel, just ask Captain Kirk.
To all who have served. THANK YOU!
The opening scene reminded me of a story my dad told me many many years ago. He flew for the 9th Air Force, 391st Bombardment Group flying out of Matching Green England in 1944 .It was an old RAF base with minimal barracks for the crews .So some crews including my father's were sleeping in their pup tents because of lack of space . Well there was a abandoned security building not far from their bivouac area . His crew took over the building and fixed it up and with a sleeping area and a improvised bar . I think my Dad was a little on the crazy/ wild side back then . Then again anyone willing to sit in the plexiglass nose of a B-26 as a Bombardier/ Navigator with just a 50 cal. to protect himself from BF 109's , FW 190's and an occasional ME 262 78 times with 3 of the missions on D-Day had more balls than brains . He was a recipient of the " Distinguish Flying Cross" for bravery above and beyond and will turn 101 years old this coming September 2023. He has been and always will be my hero !!!!!GOD BLESS YOU DAD FOR EVERYTHING YOU DID FOR ME , YOUR FAMILY,, OUR COUNTRY AND THE OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF EUROPE .
YOU AND YOUR FELLOW SOLDIERS ARE DEFINITELY
THE GREATEST GENERATION !! I WILL NEVER FORGET !! AND I PROMISE TO TELL YOUR STORY UNTIL I BREATHE MY LAST BREATH !!
MY GOD BLESS YOU WITH THE PEACE YOU DESERVE !!
My most sincere and respectful regards to your dad. He, and all those who did this job, are my heroes too. May God continue to bless him and your family.
@@bigal1863 Well I do appreciate your recognition of my dad's service . He's a real humble man . I didn't know he was a recipient of the DFC until his 80th B-day when he gave me his Medal.
He's a good man and great father . You would like him .
Your dad is a HERO and a PATRIOT.......hope he has a Happy birthday
A belated Happy 101st to your pops, with many blessings!
America has broken faith with its warriors and war dead.
This episode is one of the good ones!
I love this show even though I am only 13! I love old tv shows a ton better then new ones!
I'm an old lady and I have to agree and it's nice to see someone young who has an appreciation for the older shows. I know you're probably 15 or so now, but don't ever let that love slip away. :)
Girl, you be crazy. But I'm likin' ya! :)
I used to watch it when it was on TV and of a similar age. I really enjoyed it.
That's good taste and independent judgment. Congratulations!
That is one of the best episodes. I love this show!!!
Wonderful series with either Robert Lansing or Paul Burke.
I really appreciate what a leader Savage is. There is no doubt who’s in command, but he is human and mixes it up with his men.
Jill Haworth...wow!
I think it fascinating that KEIR DULLEA and GARY LOCKWOOD both starred in separate episodes of TWELVE O'CLOCK HIGH, only to be joined together in Stanley Kubrick's 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY. I love these guys
Thought I recognized him...wow!
Hal did the casting
Always beautiful actresses
Note what is said at 33:41 about "swinging the compass". It was mentioned before. Before inertial navigation, periodically planes had to be swung around a 360 deg circle and the compass "adjusted" every 10deg for accuracy (engine vibrations cause minute changes) doesnt take much error over 12-1300 miles to miss a target..
In 1962 it took us almost 3 hrs to swing a brand new A3J first time off the assembly line. (It may have taken less later on.[??])
These days with magnetic north moving as rapidly as it is, it would be a nitemare to try and keep a fleet in shape.
Thank goodness for inertial!!!!
What?
@@johnrogan9420 What do you mean WHAT? pretty plain. Well maybe not to someone who doesnt know electronic compasses. An aircraft compass is not a magnetized needle floating in a vat of liquid..
The A3J had an electronic box in the belly with an adjustment for every one of those 36 ten degree points. When the plane was pulled to 'the' place on the compass circle on the ground, a tech adjusted THAT little knob on the box till the compass in the cockpit read the exact heading.on the dial. The knob was locked and they moved on to the next setting. Time consuming but necessary. More so in the days of piston enginned planes where vibration was very significant.
Very interesting bit of information. Thank you.
As a former B-52 Nav,, if you were off heading the calculation was known as the 1 in 60 rule. For every degree off heading, and every 60 miles you travel, you will be 1 mile off your planned track. say 3 degrees, over 1,200 miles, and you my friend are 60 miles away from where you thought you're supposed to be.
Thanks. I wondered why he needed a crew chief to do what sounded like something a navigator might be able to do
Great Show! Thank you.
An intriguing plot, and so well executed.
For 8 yrs I played golf with a B-17 bombardier, flew 17 mission before war ended. Unfortunately I never talked to him about his experiences. That was in the late 1980s. Wish he was around now to comment on this series and his experiences. Never talked to my dad either. First army , First lieutenant, Signal Corp . 44-46. Hated Montgomery. Was at Acchen, 44.
Just two years later Kier Dullea would be working on 2001, which is one of the most important film ever. When he was making this episode he had no idea he would part of film history just a few years later.
Gary Lockwood would co star with Dullea in 2001 and Lockwood was a featured player in TWELVE O'CLOCK episodes.
Yes Gary Lockwood was great in everything,inluding the first StarTrek episode, "Where No Man has Gone Before" He was great in that as in everything he did!
Sorry but 2001 is one of the most stupid films ever and neither of the stars did anything significant in film after that.
As an old man , I'd give my soul to fly one mission w/ those men!
Your not the only one... but not if I was young.
"Open the bomb bay doors HAL!"
Lmao😀😀😀😀
Was thinking the same thing!😂
Both leading men of 2001 made guest appearances on 12 O'Clock High.
I'm afraid I can't do that Dave
@Maria Kelly Different episode
Well done..
The hung incendiary incident is based on a true story where a crew member really did have to throw burning bomb fragments out by hand.
Henry E. Erwin. He was from here in Alabama, I remember reading about him in our Alabama history book in elementary school. It was in the Pacific in a B-29. He was every bit a hero, an amazing display of self sacrifice for others. There were many others among the greatest generation.
@@wyldebyll3089 Wow! Thanks for telling us about him. The heroism of Muller in this episode is not even close to what Irwin did. Here's the Wikipedia story: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_E._Erwin
F Huber while phosphorus
@@wyldebyll3089 I believe the B-29 was named The City of Los Angeles
Love Keir Dullea (or like the introducer said ]]:"Keh ear Doo lay ah" =) . First saw him on "David and Lisa" in '66 . Great actor . Great episode !
Jill Haworth was the original Sally Bowles in the Broadway version of “ Cabaret”.
Judi Dench starred in it on the London stage.
Robert Lansing made the series .
Yes, he did. And after he left (What they did to the character, to me, was disrespectful), the show pretty much tanked. I have watched the whole series, but the first season really holds my interest with the intensity of acting and quality stories. Miss Lansing. He just had a way of looking intense even without uttering a word. :)
I couldn't agree more. Replacing Robert Lansing was a huge mistake
docnymbus: Agree with all you say but one compensation of the Burke episodes is the enlarged appearances of Chris Robinson!
One of the biggest mistakes and replacing him with Paul Burke,never the same after that.
One aircraft ,a crew of ten. One direct hit ,one plane one crew, and as a bomber pilot and your crew will bare witness to this and may God help you when you watch your friends die at 15,000ft
Yes. And based on casualty records the circumstance of total crew loss happened far more frequently than I'd imagined. G-forces are a bitch pinning those inside all the way down. Time enough for a medium prayer, extreme fear, and a cry.
Kier Dullea appeared in these good movies: David & Lisa, The Thin Red Line, 2001: A Space Odyssey and in the TV series The Starlost.
Holly wood!. One FW, waist gunners firing at both flanks.
Gillian Hawthorn was some beauty!
Great episode.
These great men and planes always looked like sitting ducks for flak and those fast planes⚔️
That girl is incredibly beautiful, in real life she never married
I think after her father died he left her and her mom well off. They shacked up in NYC and lived out their days there.
What fantastic eyes Keir Dullea (Lt. Muller) has. They draw one in with those light irises surrounded by that dark circle.
Awesome! Thanks.
Love love this series It's history of the war.behind the scenes of the brave men and women who fought for.freedom of democracy and everything else that is good in this world ❤❤❤
from Peter Fonda to Keir Dullea, she got around... (Fonda also showed up late at briefings)
That hung-up incendiary looks like a prop from 'Batman' or 'Lost in Space'.
Keir Dullea...wow...pre 2001...he played a deadly soldier in a full length movie.
Thin Red Line
Robert Lansing very very wonderful💖
good one!
Actually, in the Vietnam War Airman John Levitow grabbed a huge flare that was about to ignite and threw it out a C-130 flareship and was awarded the Medal of Honor.
Ughhhh no sir it was an AC-47 "puff".
Henry Red Erwin won the MOH in my Dad's B-29 outfit on Guam in WWII, the only B-29 member who ever won the medal. He actually picked up a burning flare, carried it from his radio compartment and threw it out the co-pilot's window, saving the plane and the crew. His was quite the ordeal. warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/medal-of-honor-recipient-henry-red-erwin/
Yes,that is correct! It's a true act of sefless heroism! Not to downplay other heros. IMHO anyone who wore the Amerian uniform in combat anywhere was a hero! Some though were exeptional.
@@Cainer444 he was from here in Alabama, I remember reading about him in our history class.
If I remember correctly, third degree burns over his entire body
Hal. Open pod bay doors Hal. Hal HAL!
I’m sorry Dave I’m afraid I can’t do that.
With all due respect to Paul Burke, the second season , never lived up to my expectations . Without Robert Lansing , the series floundered , Paul Burke , was a poor substitute for the likes of Gen. Savage , it was like watching a little boy , attempting to fill a Man's shoes, (Robert's shoes ) ! Robert Lansing , was 12 O' High and 12 O' High , was Robert Lansing ............
It became custom made for Lansing, yes. Imagine STAR TREK TOS without Shatner.
Actually, Burke was 2 years older than Lansing. Go figure.
The powers that be felt Lansing was too old looking and they wanted someone younger. Kill him off was their fix. Interestingly enough, Paul Burke was older than Lansing but looked much younger.
@@sharonwillbanks7723 Ridiculous, wasn't it? It seems they couldn't fathom the notion that responsibility ages a man.
IMO UR 100 percent correct.😊
I don’t who liked better Gregory Pack or Robert Lansing as General Savage. 12 O’clock high was one of my favorite TV shows growing up.
They dont write like that anymore. Anything now is trash compared to those old shows. When I got the 1st season of Route 66 on video, I was shocked to find the level of writing. Stirling Silliphant was a top notch writer; he wrote most of the episodes. These shows are like movies, deep and serious and super entertaining. I love 12 oclock too. Sea Hunt, etc, etc. Im glad I lived through the real golden era of TV. Great shows to watch as a teenager. Not leaving out Twilight Zone, Outer Limits, you name it. Loved seeing Keir Dullea. Hes top notch actor, was on Ist episode of Rte 66, on the great film David and Lisa (which I saw 9 times the week I first saw it on TV , in1966) and many times since, then was a David again on 2001.
Yes, particularly some of the early episodes exhibit serious in-depth thought. Nope won't likely find such 'red pill' thinking in TV today.
Qualty programming. NO more. All gone
This comment has probably been made a 100 times but, has anybody else noticed how much the 12 o'clock high music sounds like Star Trek at certain points?
Yes I have it could go right into the startrack music from that point
they clearly "borrowed" the star trek cues from this show,no question about it. Even the show Baa Baa Black Sheep "borrowed" from this show (the lamb song). They even had a man named "Borg" on 12 o'clock high that star trek "borrowed"
Fun fact: Lt. Muller later changed his name to David Bowman and commanded the ship "Discovery" in 2001.
Which was later commanded for one year by Captain Christopher Pike, of all people!
I can't say that about my old man. He left my mother when I was younger, but his brothers and my mother's brother, made up for his mistakes. My Uncles were all in the military. They were all great men. It was because of them, that I enlisted in the Air Force. Never forget the things they did for my mother and my 10 siblings. I am one of the youngest.
Wow, Keir Dullea. Who would be in 2001 A Space Odyssey only 5 years later
Thanks for getting rid of the "Combat' stereotypes.
How do u really know a man until u fly with him?
Some true words right there.
The English have an old saying: "If you would have a man pray, send him to sea."
Yes, that no doubt also.
No one does it like Lansing. No body
2020. Lansing was the show
The plots were horrible. Everyone overacted. Way too much drama. And still I'm binge watching! I was age 6 when this series began. Loved it then and so grateful to find it again here.
Respectfully disagree. The drama was appropriate to the content and the acting was of high quality, especially by Robert Lansing. A fine fine actor.
This episode combines the element of Lt. Zimmerman from the movie and the Medal of Honor action of Henry Erwin. Sgt Erwin threw a WP bomb out of his B-29 when it ignited inside the aircraft.
good one
I really do wish that the combat sequences had been varied a little between episodes, the poor old FW-190 that keeps getting shot down and the same ball turret and waste gunners, it’s so monotonous, even back in the 1950s and 1960s, perhaps more so than today, the combat footage must have been available in vast quantities.
This episode is probably one of the best so far, it explores the conflict that many people must have felt when faced with a war between their birthplace and the ancestral home and birthplace of their parents and ancestors, the prejudice that they must have encountered, even from lifelong friends and neighbours, and their own governments, the internment of American citizens of Japanese decent in America, British citizens of German and Italian decent, and probably others, prejudice that we, or for the most part, all would find not only strange but disgusting to boot, your nationality is not only dictated by your ancestral blood but by your core values and beliefs, I am sure that there were enemy spy’s and sympathisers in all those groups, but probably no more than in the “indigenous “ population, but rather than “weeding” out those individuals it was easier to intern them all and treat them as hostile, generating hatred and more prejudices, and for those interned, it generates the same feelings of hate and prejudice towards their “jailers “ and former friends, the very feelings portrayed in this episode, but without the happy ending.
A question for the USAAF history buffs, would or did the USAAF ever send single heavy bombers out on such deadly missions, surly medium or light bombers designed for such operations would be more likely???? Or is this mission as they say “poetic license “???.
Re over-and-over aerial combat footage, yes there was lots of footage available but the vast majority was from fighter aircraft gun cameras which was unlikely technically/visually sutable to the circumstance of a fighter being shot down by B-17 guns.
As for Japanese internment, it was wartime at the gravest level, the very existence of the U.S. was at stake and the outcome far from certain. Mobilization of the country and all its citizens was an imperative. Necessary to that end was hatred of the enemy (and Pearl Harbor made that easy). Roosevelt, far from right wing, signed the executive order for internment. A good and necessary decision. Yes it wasn't exactly fair and confiscation without later compensation was particularly egregious, but what few seem to realize is that under the the prevailing circumstance, internment no doubt saved hundreds if not thousands of Nisei and Japanese non-citizen lives. This was no time for shallow sissy men, tough hardcore decisions were requisite and America then had the men who could make them.
Re B-17 low level bridge attack, yes that's unlikely though possible and a mission more suitable to medium bombers. If you listened, Savage makes reference to failed attempts by Martin B-26s (medium bombers) to knock out the bridge so the producers were cognizant. Any solo B-17 attack would certainly have been made longitudinal to the bridge not as portrayed, but there again it was about the footage available.
Yes the series is fraught with technical errors and one could spend all there time pointing them out. But Why? The series was intended to be about the extreme mental stress associated with aerial combat on missions in which crew had forehand knowledge of the high odds against them. If one is intent on finding fault, try and find fault with that, and good luck. As for technical errors I believe the producers did an adequate job for the most part given budget constraints.
@Maria Kelly So based on your comment I found and watched 'I Am The Enemy'. It was indeed very good, entirely appropriate to the original concept and one of my favorites to date in spite of Lansing's non-presence. Particular depth that episode... the exploration of self loathing, or in this case more specifically loathing one's roots... the emotional and caring aspect between people... seems Shatner's acting was improved when face-to-face with actress Elen Willard. The concept that the crazy crazy are not wanted, only the acceptably crazy. So thank you for recommending it to the somewhat ambiguous 'You'.
Oh, one more thing.... I notice that you responded to one of my other posts (this episode) with a, shall we say, blatantly political statement. One of the things I've enjoyed about this channel is the sensibilities and good manners of the vast majority here who understand that this is not the place for political/religious views. I'm not a rabid Trump supporter by any stretch but do find it unpleasant and unacceptable to find a 'political sign' (of any stripe) staked into the 'front lawn' of one of my posts. In fact I consider it just plain rude... and would ask that the poster remove said sign, post haste. I'll check on that over the next couple of days and if it comes down so will *this* comment, and then the matter will be over. Barring that I'll either assume you weren't aware of this comment (highly improbable) or vastly more likely, weren't swayed by common courtesy/decency, and I'll remove said 'sign' myself.
If you want to talk about monotonous combat footage, try watching the TV show Baa Baa Black Sheep from the 1970's . Until that show I didn't realize that the Pacific Ocean had soooo many mountains that looked just like the California coast line, and those mountains sticking up everywhere. hahahhaha
Emansnas
Thank you for your answer and for dealing with the questions that often come up on the HIGH sites, so well. Much appreciated. I've also been appreciating the discussions on "light aircraft " vs. use of the show's B17s in various episodes. Much to consider.
I do and without him as Gen Savage I cannot watch this series any lo,nger. This was a huge loss.
General Savage SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE THAT CIGARETTE again 11:41
Filter cigarettes were considered effeminate in 1943, but in 1964, things had changed.
At 41:35, it was a Mess Bf-109 and not a FW that the co-pilot called out. Check out the propeller nose.
sometimes in this show the footage depicts a German fighter attack and it is actually a P51 . Its just make believe using stock footage....lets not take it too seriously
Staff Sargent Snuffy Smith . USAAF 8th Airforce 1943/1944 .
So Snuffy, do you still have that rain cloud over your head....
And The Real Horizon tilts with The Artificial Horizon at 37.10 lol.
I hear overtones/tunes/ditties of Star Trek music in every episode.
I'm sorry, General, I can't do that.
Prejudice ? many can say their not but we all have them... FACT, seen it all my life
One of the few decent salutes (the Lieutenant, NOT the General) that AI have seen in movies.
Oh well, the bombardier was shot more than just one leg!
Soldiers can't be late for mission briefings. They'd be sent to the brig
They've even bombed the Bridges at Toko Ri !
Fined 2/3rds of a month's pay....article 104...tough discipline...
" without disipline all a army is a uniformed rabble". GEORGE WASHINGTON.
It was wartime, everything was tough including the men, they *had* to be. Those guys... seems doubtful America could produce enough of them today.
Well, fighting while under attack from German fighter planes, putting the plane and its entire crew at risk, is a pretty reckless and serious offense.
Oh heck, ok. Dave, check the compass Dave! There, I said it?!?!
Keir Dullea...pre 2001...a space odyssey
All's well that ends well....
I just like his salute; rank has its privilege
I have never served, but I understand that a man in uniform only salutes when he wearing a hat?
In the Navy yes....however in USAF and Army they can do it Uncovered (no hat)
Everyone knows the Norden bomb sight the bombardier uses but few know the system the Navigator uses the HAL 8000 soon to be upgraded to 9000…
Everyone in the air war had to have at least a secret clearance. The investigators should never have granted the clearance .
Why not? It was his father that was a Nazi, not him! He suffered badly from his father's actions and never agreed with him.
@Maria Kelly Yes, I remember the scene, but I'm not sure I see the connection other than the problem of the Bund membership of the parents.
I just don't get the ending. Why in the world would the co-pilot call him Heinie again at the celebration?
To show him theyre now willing to fool around with him and he shouldnt get uptight.
Did Lansing get an Emmy / should have….
Wondering what happened to the 20 mm tracking two machine guns. Maybe he was out.
20:10 MY NAME IS KURT MÜLLER . should be rather poronouced Miller would be the English equivalent to MÜLLER.
Technically one of the most interesting episodes. I just wonder Müller was not in some Internment Camp like most of those Germans being involved with those Old Homelandgroups.
Agreed, my father would tell us stories about those times as you see from my name we had to go through that. We used to spell our name with two(2) N's and had to drop the second N. It did not help much. There is no way he would have introduced himself as Muller. My family went so far as to pronounce our name as "Lemon"
until years after the war.
Lansing, is a cross of Herman Munster and Frankenstein. His voice reminds of Ferris’s buellers teacher. Bueller, bueller. Bueller.
Slight error on the part of the script writers. AW 104 limited the fine to half a month's pay, not 2/3rds.
Dang! Leave the poor Quail alone.
What's a Canadian doing in this outfit?
She speaks well for a deaf person
Savage has no choice but to relieve him from flight status to something like special services .
The only enlisted man in the Air force to be awarded the Medal Of Honor, got it for grabbing burning ordinance, hold it to his body until he got to the open door and threw it out , but that was in Vietnam.
No, it was in WWI over Japan: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_E._Erwin
@@lsmart I know it is a sniggling little lawyer type point, but the "Air Force"did not exist until 1948 (i put 16 years in the Air Force and Four in the Marines), so prior to that it would be US ARMY Air Corps.
@@imjusttoodissgusted5620 You vets really are too word and detail specific for me, though I obviously say that with the deepest sense of respect for your service. But if it is indeed the "Air Force" you are referring to, what Vietnam case involved this type of incident?
No smoking !!!!!!!
at 35:30 he lights a filter cigarette best of my knowlege there wernt filter cigarettes then
You're right, it's an anachronism. Cigarette filters weren't introduced until 1950.
I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that
It's Heini, not Heinie.
Keir Dullea.
Here, in a B-17.
Later, he'll be on outer space, "2001, A Space Odyssey."
Stanley Kubrick, 1965-"I need a spaceship Cmdr....Who's that navigator?"
ME!!
people in the military today deal with the UCMJ , in WW2 it did not exist so court martial was the only way to deal with problems. and a court martial is a federal offence while punishment under the UCMJ is not.
9 black sheep??? first epsoide????
Why on earth would they have incendiaries for a target requiring high explosive?. A single plane and they waste space with incendiary bombs. Never in a million years.
That co-pilot is a punk
nowen chamara i sorry i don't find you at google plus.
want to say goodbye???
at 43:51 it shows him going into a building marked "officer's quarters" yet at 44:26 there is an enlisted man in the group. Not sure that would ever happen!
DON TAYLOR SURE it WOULD..... Savage allowed it because the enlisted guy is part of the CREW !!!