Why Do The Left Not Care About Men’s Problems? - George TheTinMen
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- George TheTinMen is a content creator, pro-men's advocate and social media influencer.
The conversation around the issues of men and boys has been dominated by the Right for a long time now. The Left largely seem to have abandoned the entire male sex. So what happens when an openly Left-leaning man creates a huge Instagram account talking exclusively about male issues?
Expect to learn how the patriarchy can be so powerful if men aren't flourishing more, why the Left stopped talking to men and boys, why George has an army of haters online trying to cancel him, what gets missed in the conversation about struggling males, how divorce impacts the development of young men, what people misunderstand about the gender pay gap, what men want from the women in their lives and much more...
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00:00 Why George Started TheTinMen
03:00 Can You Be Left-Wing & Pro-Men?
14:46 The Bias Against Men in the Family Courts
21:22 The Problem with Telling Men to 'Just Do Better'
32:18 Why the Right Wing Has Stood Up for Men
42:21 How to Improve the Conversation Around Masculinity
51:57 The Left’s Inability to Listen to Men
57:50 What People Misunderstand About the Gender Pay Gap
1:07:59 What Do Men Really Want From Women in their Lives?
1:10:45 The Truth About Fragile Masculinity
1:20:53 Advice to Men on How to Live a Good Life
1:31:25 Where to Find George
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Hello you beauties. Access all episodes 10 hours earlier than UA-cam by Subscribing on Spotify - spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - apple.co/2MNqIgw. Here’s the timestamps:
00:00 Why George Started TheTinMen
03:00 Can You Be Left-Wing & Pro-Men?
14:46 The Bias Against Men in the Family Courts
21:22 The Problem with Telling Men to 'Just Do Better'
32:18 Why the Right Wing Has Stood Up for Men
42:21 How to Improve the Conversation Around Masculinity
51:57 The Left’s Inability to Listen to Men
57:50 What People Misunderstand About the Gender Pay Gap
1:07:59 What Do Men Really Want From Women in their Lives?
1:10:45 The Truth About Fragile Masculinity
1:20:53 Advice to Men on How to Live a Good Life
1:31:25 Where to Find George
possible solution for England and other Western Countries is too controversial and politically incorrect--so it's generalized to male vs female instead of cultural changes in western countries. As for the FBI stats of who is killed by cops in the US--your guest needs to look over the demographics of cops killing Americans and who it is will surprise your guest--but it's not PC to discuss.
You're doing gods work, brother.
L and R both gone cray cray in US
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Tribes taking care of useless men are wasting energy. Those who did, are removed during evolution. LOGIC - FOOK THE LOSERS.!!!!!!
An adult telling a 10 year old that he is “toxic” is cowardly and disgusting.
Imagine having a 6 years longer life expectancy due to less work related stress, making up only 7% of workplace fatalities, 4% deaths due to war, 24% of suicides and homicides, 20% of the homeless, having people assume you are the victim when you initiated DV in the majority of cases, having laws that cannot identify you as a perpetrator of r ape, having a 40% higher adoption rate... and thinking you are oppressed
@herekitty791 You're missing the point. This isn't about "oppression" it's about specific issues. The victimhood Olympics does no-one any good. We need to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Women have problems, men have problems, there are countless extreme disparities between races. The severity of the disparities should not stop us from working on all of them. We have 330+ million people in the US, it's perfectly acceptable & possible to divide and conquer our issues without any falling behind. A rising tide lifts all ships.
We can improve conditions for ALL. Instead of the current exclusive inclusivity movement. You only matter if you're a minority of a minority. It's anti-coalition building, anti-human and flat out it's not going to work.
We need to take a step back in our society and ask ourselves, is what we're doing in the recent history actually working? Was movements like BLM as effective as they could be? I'd argue no. In fact, we seem to be more divided than ever.
It's a question of methodology about how we go about social change. It's not if we need social changes.
It is interesting to reverse the roles when it comes to life expectancy, isn't it ?
Women earn less throughout their lives, so they contribute far less toward pension schemes.
And yet they live twice as long after retirement than men do.
So they draw out twice as much, while contributing less.
On top of this, a married woman inherits the man's wealth when he dies, anyway.
Further to the point, marital income is shared, and the woman is entitled to half in the case of divorce.
So the fact that men earn more is mostly a benefit to women.
@@tonycatman There's her money and our money. loooooooooool
@@CEMuhlbeier You're missing the point. Everyone is working towards solving issues if and only if they identify the person or collective as women. That is what created these disparities in the first place lol
@@CEMuhlbeier Female empowerment or 'equality for women' is exactly like BLM, but it actually works. It works because of the psychological -women are wonderful effect, because of their positive halo, essentially good looks either artificial or natural, women can still look good with higher body fat percentage and be curvy while men only look good fit and can't fraud with heels, makeup etc. Giving birth is always going to be seen as infinitely more important than impregnating a woman and supporting your child financially. Society is essentially a WLM. I agree that you can't and shouldn't even attempt to change this with a MLM or something because it will fail as quickly as MRM has. Whenever I say I support equality people immediately jump and tell me that feminism is about equality, and then they reject labels such as egalitarian or humanist. There is no approach to fixing inequality that affects men and boys because most people simply don't care. I think Colttaine's The Matrix Behind the Matrix video explains best why this happens. This will make me look hypocritical but you are a guy and you want to extend gender equality to your gender then stop. You are wasting your time trying to solve an unfixable problem.
I’ve been hearing “men should talk more” for at least 20 years; still haven’t seen much evidence that anyone’s interested in listening (much less ready to hear what we have to say).
It’s bad advice. Talking things out as a primary form of therapy is how women work issues out. It is not usually the best way for men to work issues out. Or as someone else put it “men are not women who are broken.” Feminine solutions should not be expected to work.
It's more like talking or "having a conversation" amounts to basically nothing or worse than nothing, because the best outcome is convincing someone how fucked the reality of the situation is and hoping they don't off themselves afterwards. You have to actually navigate yourself to a better personal outcome in a messed up society.
Yeah in the real world… it is ineffective and nonsensical advice
Talking is nice for temporary relief, and it “could” be good if it actually lead to valuable solutions
But we can clearly see that it doesn’t. In reality, nobody really cares
Actual good advice is everything that the mainstream culture hates. Being strong and competent and capable. Taking responsibility and accountability and learning how to compete etc etc.
Those tools will put you in a much better position to overcome the obstacles and minimize the problems
There are people who want to listen!!!!! And do listen! And do hear! It is not good to generalize to that extent, Kurt! It is not clear thinking to say such things, better to be specific about who have not listened to you (and those you deeply know) and who you would prefer to do the productive listening. Talk your clear truth, it will help eventually, try it at least - here!
@@DNA350ppm no. Kurt is right
Yes you are right in the sense that there are some people who will listen. Which is great. But it’s not very helpful when “most” won’t listen and nothing changes
I’m in a good position right now and am generally happy/content with everything
But I’ve been on the other side of things. When everything is going wrong… tangible change would be a lot more helpful than having a few sparse ears that want to listen
I dug myself out of my hole over a 5 year period. That is the problem that most men have. The holes are too easy to fall into and pretty hard to get out of. It would be nice if things were a little more balanced broadly speaking
Men were not “left behind”, that would imply that they were simply forgotten. They have been actively demonized and vilified. I saw this happen one step while living overseas, every time I looked at retuning, things got worse bit by bit, it was easier to see from the outside. I have watched friend’s families ruined, false accusations leveled, and even a dear friend die early of a heart attack from stress. It is like they were all frogs slowly boiled in a pot.
You can pretend that guys are innocent victims but most people have been aquatinted with males and know you're just narcissistic and delusional 🤡
Been at it 44 years plus. A lot of it I think it’s an intentional, but men and boys have been hit hard by the swing of feminism. And feminism is absolutely necessary, securing equal rights for men and women and people. Every color is the foundation for this country or any country to work. But many of us have been having the entire problem in the world dropped at our feet since we were five or six years old, without any capacity in process, what was going on, let alone saw all these problems that we were supposed be responsible for, since we had that bad luck to be born with a penis. And it’s created two generations of man, large lots of them are completely broken, and adrift now
@@theoriginal7727 Tribes taking care of useless men are wasting energy. Those who did, are removed during evolution. LOGIC - FOOK THE LOSERS.!!!!!!
@@theoriginal7727 feminism is a lie, so I reject your feminism is necessary comment, equality under the law has been there for decades
@@James_36 I think you might be a little bit confused, and your statement doesn’t actually even make any sense. A concept cannot be a “lie”, unless in the context of gaslighting, where somebody initiates an entire system based on some thing which they know not to be true. Normally, if you were discussing cultural concepts, you would say that something is true or not true. Some thing cannot really be a lie without an active intent to deceive. For instance, in the 17 in 1800s, when slave trade was still brisk, people posing as scientists and philosophers were still learning a lot about humans and didn’t have the advantage of studying DNA and such that we do now. In order to continue taking advantage of African or Native American People, to be able to treat them as slaves, there had to be some kind of consensus that they were not actually humans in the full sense of the word, where they would have legal and every day rights. There was a lot of honest, scientific debate, that in retrospect Seems hard to imagine anyone not getting it, but it is completely different culture and science of the day. But once they actually understood that black and brown, and any other color of human is exactly the same species as a white human, some people in that context would have to knowingly twist or withhold information , in order to make it a seemingly legitimate argument that humans could keep slaves of other “humans.” Some people had to intentionally lie about what they knew in order to keep that thing going for several hundred more years. That’s when you would say. Some thing is a lie like “racial equality is a lie“. Somebody has to have intent to mislead somebody else for something to be a lie. Otherwise, it’s just incorrect.
Women have been crushed and subjugated and treated as a sub species/non-human for thousands of years, and most cultures, especially western industrial. They may have equal rights strictly speaking under the law, but that doesn’t really mean much in the day to day reality of how people live and experience the world. Laws may begin to shift behavior, but culture takes decades, or centuries to catch up. People are incredibly arrogant for the most part, and rarely will they admit to being wrong, regardless of mountains of evidence, indicating that to be the case. Not sure what you mean by “feminism is a lie“, but assuming that it’s some thing along the lines of a big weird thing that scary people on the left, tried to invent to come and control everybody else’s life.. in my book, it’s only coming to the radical conclusion that women are human beings and deserve to be treated as such. With their own brain, desires, ideas, volition, interest, and so on. This cannot be the case when they are treated as property at best… Spoils of war, and so on. That has been the case for most of written history in the western world, that we have records of. With occasional very rare exceptions, but those were usually only individual women who were able to obtain positions of power.
With what we are coming to know about epigenetic’s, and general cultural conditioning, we know that the repercussions of treating an entire class of people as separate, second class, or non-human, as in the case of women and people of color for hundreds/thousands of years , we now know that the effects of this get passed down often times for multiple generations, just because of the genetic markers that are switched on and off through all of the horrific and deeply traumatic experiences that people have when contained in those sorts of societal belief systems. Yes, women in the United States may enjoy equal protection under the law. But a lot of that is just on paper, and how they are treated in their daily life’s can be the same as it ever was. It really depends on the situation in the context, but the spiritual scars From being dehumanized can be both catastrophic and extremely long lasting as in multiple generations. I believe that this is part of the wisdom of the Bible that was way ahead of its time, talking about when you sin, the curse will be passed down through seven generations of your children and grandchildren! we see the truth of this more and more, the more we learn about society, psychology, neurobiology, Epigenetics, etc. It all ties together, and in the bigger picture whatever we do to other people, we end up doing to ourselves, often literally.
It’s refreshing to see someone on the left speak up for men’s rights 👍
You might like Warren Farrell as well. He is tremendously left leaning.
What rights? I'm new.
The odd thing I gather from this is how the right speaks about these issues but the solution is always "responsibility" and no measures are taken. It's bootstrapping to the bottom. The left isn't talking but trying to fight for workers rights, paid leave, medical aid - physical and mental. So, yes, you hear the right talking but where are the actions?
It's men and women, not men vs women. But the right has a different perspective and it's not having the desired outcome. You are not going to seek help if you are told to bootstrap, are you? And when the fiscal conservative policies seem to accumulate more and more resources to the top, so where is that money for aid going to come from?
@@justanothernick3984 It's not right vs left. It's called gynocentrism. And that affects everyone. "Protect The Women", in other words. "Both" sides have difficulty seeing through our biological tendencies. That's why nothing happens. Not because the "right-wing way" doesn't help.
@@jaydamalley3398
Okay, but this interview is portrayed in a left-right dichotomy.
_(Okay, this wasn't the case after listening more)._
Still, I ask:
What did you want to point out? Do you see the right-wing way being part of the solution?
91% of men who committed suicide, had seeked help prior to taking their own lives - thats mind blowing, and heartbreaking! This was a brilliant podcast and very informative!
Dang. That’s depressing.
@@tomcoop9750 fucking too right dude, 91%!!! thats terrified me, why cant men get help when they seek it?!
I wonder how many were gay, drug addicts or alcoholics. Mentally, someone taking their own life isn't in their right mind. I had a friend who's boyfriend took his life, he was an addict and violent a lot. I think men are suffering because they've lost purpose and motivation. However they've also lost a lot of control, if you look at middle eastern culture are the statistics the same? What about India? Where women are still disposable and controlled culturally by men are these stats the same?
@@moonstrukk126I think your use of the word control is too general and relative. Have "they" ever had "control?" Although I think I get your point. Some of the control might be an aspect. But a lot of what is being pointed at is not just taken control away - it's actually straight up sexism, control against, dismissiveness, etc etc. It's certainly confusing because it's conflated with treatment of poor people or just lower on the power pole. But my point is that a lot of men's issues have been around. Historically most people were oppressed. and the "loss of control" is still only within the professional managerial class a small percentage. So ya that is gonna be an aspect that would be new and I bet there is a significance portion of men that are going through that growing pain of growing and evolving as authentic male in a social world where language is becoming a constant thing being policed on many people and maybe a lot of male terms of endearment and just general women dissing is being cracked down on hard. So ya that's a thing, But attributing massive suicide stats, et al, to men who are sad because they have to now give up using derogatory terms or "control" I dunno that sounds a Wii bit silly and beside the point. The control is a generational thing and vague. That's kind of a problem with stats - it can point with accuracy but often doesnt do justice to personal experience. So like me I'm 41 and I haven't ever felt power or control taken away from me in a very real sense. But I do feel in general a lot of shame for being male and for male traits - some projection but also some socially reenforced.
I'm a technician so I get authority for the task at hand, however I get no authority regarding any immanence or background.l conditions I am a part of. But then techies never really had any more power. I would agree that male dominant roles would not be as inclusive to women and allow discriminations etc to happen and that that is still a problem that happens too.. like tribalism pockets, But again I don't know about the impact of not being able to be a dick at the office like we use to!
I Point back to the managerial class - which is the place of power and systemic control.. so basically the demographic is stubborn old farts in middle management who use their power and authority to take advantage of women et al. - they will be getting their feelings hurts and I don't exactly sympathize.... But I also don't think that's at the core of societies men problems.
In general men and women have different vulnerabilities. But either way we can help women and men. It's not net zero - it's particular cases. Perhaps we can design an etiquette for listening proppa!🎉
@@patricksullivan1827 The control speculation was aimed at the statistics of suicide in middle eastern culture, India and Africa where women are treated horribly and it is acceptable in their society.
Men need purpose and society has robbed them of genuine responsibility. Women run around screaming they don't need a man blah blah blah. Women are more promiscuous than ever and have become the version of those slimy men that sleep around and brag about body count.
Women have lost their personal power in order to flex power in earning a lot of money and being completely independent trying to be some broken version of what they believe a man is.
Men have been feminized, called toxic, stupid and useless I order to prop women up from years of being undervalued in society. The pendulum has swung too far.
I value the men in my life. I have 3 grown sons a husband, a brother and my father who are all amazing, strong, capable amazing people.
I feel if you are ashamed to be a man, you have traded your personal power, the magic of masculine energy, for feminine approval in a very misguided society that is in absolute chaos and despair.
As far as suicide goes.. people who want to die are not in their right mind period, mental health help should be easy to get. My girlfriends boyfriend was not overtly suicidal but when she left him because he physically attacked her, he hung himself. It's not just a man problem it's a society problem. I think men are amazing and I think women are amazing. Human beings are an incredible miracle and if we, men and women behaved in a complementary way, we could really do anything. The division sewn has been pushed for many years by the powers that be for power over the people. This is easy to achieve, creating weakness.
Yes, men historically have possessed women and so of course there was pushback. We know now, at least in more civilized society, that women and men should be treated with the same respect as human beings deserve. I have a theory about why men were so controlling of women, I wonder what the first men thought when they witnessed a woman giving birth...it must have freaked them out...then there's menstruation and the ability to sustain life through breastfeeding. Those are powerful abilities, in fact, I believe some men were threatened ( and still are) enough to need to possess and control women. Of course it's much more powerful to team up. It's also more fulfilling.
Men can be their own masters and should never ever be ashamed of being men.
As a 76 year old woman, I am so sad for young men and what is happening to them today--particularly from the Left. I am so tired of hearing women talking about the "patriarchy". It is so condescending. I grew up in a traditional home. My father was a good man. He took care of us. My mother took care of the home and, of course, us. AND my father gave my mother money every month--not for groceries or necessities but for whatever she wanted. He had a grade 8 education yet he was way ahead of his time. We can do better--and by that I mean women. Feminism was supposed to be about equality, not revenge.
Feminism has always been about revenge. Read the Declaration of Sentiments from 1848 (often considered the birth of feminism), it's nothing but hate and resentment.
But it's really with 2nd wave feminism that it went into full revenge mode because it is modeled after the neo-Marxist ideology of the Frankfurt School.
Mam, I truly respect your input, an you make a valid point. But you are wrong that Feminism was ever about equality. Please go and read the Declaration of sentiments from 1848. It is on Wikipedia in the entirety. The Declaration of Sentiments is considered the foundational document of the Feminist political movement. It declares very clearly that Men have constructed society with the sole objective of the total subjugation of Women; This will later become known as Patriarch theory.
Feminism is, and always has been, a Neo-Marxist political movement that defines the class struggle (between victim and oppressor) as one between men and women. A struggle that can only end when men are subservient to women.
As an older woman your voice of reason is something other women need to hear, all these young, indoctrinated women seem to believe all women from your era were tortured and beaten by the man of the household.
@@finalmidnight Well, that's not the feminism that I was part of. I have never used the word 'patriarchy' and perhaps this 1848 document is American. I am Canadian. I feel that what is now called feminism is an insult to the women of my era. I have never felt oppressed, nor have I ever felt that I was a victim. And I certainly don't look forward to men being subservient to women any more than I would want women to be subservient to men.
@@beeman7711 Yes, the younger women are stuck in an ideology that will lead them nowhere. Having castrated men, they wonder why they're not having sex any more. I chose to be a 'bachelor' (hated the word spinster) and have been treated with respect by the majority of men in my life. Never tortured. Never beaten. And generously helped over the years. I have a great deal of respect for most men.
This guy’s problem is that he believes the anti-male bias in today’s conversation is simply done by good people using a bad methodology. It’s not. It’s done by activists who are building their political career on false outrage.
this.
@@manumaster1990I’m starting to feel this way too
Sort of, it's being spearheaded by those radical activist and their propaganda being bought by potentially good women who don't scrutinize the broader consequences, partly due to selfish self interest.. One could say the same thing about the more toxic elements of the men's movement, of course that is still in its infancy.
The 800 lb gorilla in the room is the big money and politics throwing gas on the fire for their own greedy self interest. Fear and anger gets votes and money buys all three. It's kind of like burning down the barn to get the insurance except the one getting the Insurance isn't the owner of the barn
the bit about male suicide being a rational solution to insurmountable problems. fuck man. as someone who has been in this situation and met with absolutely zero understanding, when some form of "help" did come it was centered around therapy and "this problem is ugly so make it go away' There was a lot of "talk about your feelings' while I was essentially screaming that I need real world solutions to unfuck my life. Nobody listened, nobody understood or could understand
That is because mens and womens psychology is different. And you were offered female "solution", that does not work on men. When woman has a problem, she expects a man to fix it, aka "making it to go away". Same with whole "talk about your feelings" bullshit.
Majority of mental health professionals are women and cater to women, so there is nothing for men there. There are very few psychologists that actually deal with those problem in way that works on men.
Want actual help with those problem, find male psychologist, who is not on board with whole feminist bullshit.
I'm 100% with you brother. I sought help for my depression and they gave me a bloody children's book to help cope with it. I get how some people (women) can use children's cartoons and comics to deal with hardship, and more power to you if that helps, but I'm an adult looking for adult solutions. If you think lifting weights or doing stretches in the morning will help me, then just tell me! I don't need to be infantalized in order to see how something will benefit me.
As mentioned in the interview, psychology is a female dominated field. This is one of the root causes of the inadequate support in regards to male issues; a problem cannot be addressed properly using only female psychology.
So true, with you man! happens at every level of life, society, and especially in the court rooms and family court. All of the problems from thousands of years of history evolution are dumped at our feet, without any actual real solutions being offered for brainstorming to come up with an actual plan that could work.
@@user-og6hl6lv7p a fucking childrens book, goddamn brother. lifting helped me in so far as if your body is fucked so is your mind but after essentially breaking my therapist to where she just paused and uttered "honestly that's a lot, I don't think I could handle that and you have already analyzed this deeper than I am capable of, I dont think im any help" that little shred of validating the reality of this being an existential problem and not a feels problem brought me to A) I dont own a gun so B) fuck it I guess I start the long road of fixing all this shit. Which I imagine is where most end up landing.
The great irony of the times is, when women need mental health issues they are given work and money. When men need mental health they are given "space", talks, and friends. When often the women need the talks and social group and the men need the money and work.
He stated the perfect truth, when issues concerning men arise, they are often blamed, even in situations like higher rates of suicide or homelessness. Society tends to hold them responsible for not seeking help on their own, implying a lack of initiative. Conversely, women are portrayed as being treated like helpless infants, where society takes on the responsibility of caring for their needs. When women face problems, it is not expected for them to resolve the issues themselves; instead, society as a whole is seen as the problem or the entity responsible for not providing adequate solutions.
Exactly, on one hand their strong and independent and on the other hand they're weak fragile creatures that men can easily take advantage of and have no agency of their own. Well which one is it?
... and increase men's taxes to help women.
Feminism is fighting for equality, but a perverted version of it. While normal people see equality as both sexes having equal share of privileges and responsibilities, feminists see division drawn in a completely different manner, where women get all the benefits and men get all the responsibilities.
And everything is being pushed towards this outcome and mindset. This is why when woman fucks up, it is either mans fault or, if they cant blame a man, it is societies fault. IF a man fucks up, it is his and his fault alone.
This is how in judicial system, same conditions can have opposite outcome for men and women. For example whole drunken sex paradigm. If a drunk man has sex with drunk woman, she is a victim and he is a perpetrator. Benefits to her and responsibilities to him. If a woman hits a pedestrian, while driving drunk, it is a mitigating circumstance as she was not in control. If a guy hits pedestrian, while driving drunk, it is an aggravating circumstance, he is an irresponsible asshole and should go to prison for acting irresponsibly.
And this exact scenario is being applied to every aspect of life. Single mothers are heroes apparently, despite the fact that women are in full control of reproduction. Single fathers are meh. If a man walks away from his kids, he is a deadbeat and must be shamed. If a woman walks away from her kids, she must have good reason for it and we should not judge her harshly. In fact we ought to give he anything she may need.
Women commit roughly same amount of crimes as men do. Altho men commit majority of violent crimes. Yet women account for only 5% of all inmates in US. While 25% of all prisons in US are for women and average upkeep of female inmate is twice that of male inmate. Women are less likely to be arrested, prosecuted, sentenced and even go to prison for same crimes. And even if she does go to prison, she also will serve lesser sentence. Because this is how equality works.
Women are now 60%+ of all higher education graduates. And they receive not ten, but TENS of times more various stipends, grants, scholarships, etc. compared to men. Women also receive over 90% of all spousal support. They also consume majority of social services. Etc. And feminists, that are "totally" for equality, are completely ok with all those injustices. In fact they will fights against change, because "it is owed to them".
In Britain for example, a woman cant legally rape a man. Worst she can do is sexual assault, a lesser crime. Despite MRAs numerous attempts. Government refused to included women. Do you know what their reasoning is? "Women do not commit many rapes." Just let it sink in. There is no reason to change legislation, because women do not commit many rapes. And women do not commit many rapes, because there is no legal framework for them to commit them.
In US feminists have been fighting against this change as well. By the end, when change was inevitable, they jumped on board to sabotage as much has possible, changing a lot of wording. So while a woman can legally commit a rape, a lot of attacks that would qualify as rape if done by men, yet again, are only sexual assault if perpetrated by women.
This is how you get Jazzmin Fry, who get out of stabbing a guy, on the head, with heel of her stilette, while being drunk, with 250 dollar fine. This is how you get Lavinia Woodward, who got away with stabbing her boyfriend, while high on drugs, because she was "too clever" for prison. Or many many many other examples.
So on and so forth...
I am a woman. It was always expected if me that I solve my own problems and do my part to seek assistance from others when needed. I hold other adults accountable for their actions, and other people don't like it.
Preach
The point "Toxic maskulinity is just a modern equivalent of female hysteria" hit really, really hard
@moonstrukk126 wrong. people across the board for a majority of civilization were treated as property. put your facts in perspective before you use them to justify downplaying an overwhelming tendency to favor women in all aspects of modern life
@@moonstrukk126men are the majority of war victims. men are the majority of homelessness, of suicides, of violence. there is little accountability for women in the courts, in the corporate world. and this is by design.
@@elcapitan6126Agree to disagree
@@moonstrukk126most men were oppressed too, few men in power did stuff, it's reductive to place the onus on the whole gender. Power corrupts irrespective of gender, that is the nature of Power, now we have women in power doing nasty shit better than most men 😂
@@miltain agree to disagree
I recently graduated from nursing school and in the context of talking about suicide the teacher highlighted that increases in female suicide were twice recent increases in male suicide by percentage, with no mention that this was from a baseline where males completed suicide at a rate 4 times that of females at baseline . . . Meaning that the ordinal suicide rate for males had actually increased by double that of females, and yet the teacher only gave the barest mention of male suicide and instead centered the percentage increase in females.
That reminds me of a post somewhere with the stat that said 1 in 4 journalists who are killed are women, then under that in huge letters it said "STOP MURDERING WOMEN JOURNALISTS"
Women attempt suicide at higher rates. This is more complicated than you grasped.
Of course, school is a very "progressive" place.
Those talking points are always skewed and biased anyway.
Any time that conversation comes up to highlight women's struggles and how life is getting harder for them, what it fails to include is that what they're measuring as "suicide attempts" for women in those numbers is generally either attention seeking behavior like cutting or taking non-lethal dosages of medications. Essentially things that result in hesitation marks or VISIBLE crisis to get them the attention they need to manage their emotional crisis.
Men don't fucking play at suicide.
When we're gonna do it, we tend to commit and complete it. So men's suicide rates are significantly more dangerous and more successful.
We're comparing the stock market and playing monopoly in those numbers, and it's insulting.
The final difference being the REASON those strategies are different is because people CARE when women are struggling. So if they can make their crisis visible enough, someone will rescue them. Or at the very least be supportive.
Most men don't have that. Nobody gives a fuck when we struggle. We could die visibly suffering and even though it was obvious, everyone who was aware would just act like it was such a surprise and nobody could have seen it coming...
Of course that's what happened... it's damned near ALWAYS what happens, when anyone tries to discuss men's problems and how we might solve them.
Some feminist claims that women have it much worse, and all effort and resources have to be given to solving women's problems.
They ALWAYS interpret it as a zero-sum game...
"Anything that benefits men is somehow going to hurt women."
The thing is, in a lot of cases, they are also right.
You CAN'T make the family courts FAIR, without also taking away women's special privileges.
I've been in academia for a long time, and the thing that most infuriates me consistently is the hypocrisy with which "intersectionality" is generally applied. There are categories applied to people that are then used to silence them, as not having a "right" to speak on a range of issues that generally fall under the topic of human suffering, ultimately. Intersectionality should, in theory, provide a range of ways people can communicate about a series of issues that affect them differently, based on various categories. Instead it's a tool to prevent communication, and force certain categories of people to "shut up and listen". Feminism owns the universities, and this attitude dominates those institutions. And specific kinds of feminism actively push these narratives, and those attitudes have spread across the world from those ivory towers.
The fact that intersectionality has spread across many universities and is the dominant ideology says so much about academia.
An even more deadly truth is feminism controls the hiring in this country and this fact have marginalized men in so many businesses. "There are over 338,841 human resources managers currently employed in the United States. 70.3% of all human resources managers are women, while 29.7% are men."
Intersectionality is a awareness spreading tool to link different identities into a singular struggle which gives a huge basin to draw political power from. Them "rescinding" voices is merely them ensuring that this basin of power does not have any chance of spilling over to their opponents. Its that simple.
Intersectionality at its most nuanced leads to a unique individual. no one human is the same - group identities are a way to dehumanise a person
@@nv7287 intesectionality at its most nuanced leads to an utterly deracinated individual, unable to actually move or think beyond their own immediate reality because they are pulled everywhere at once, intersectionality is actually the most dehumanizing thing to even exist for if you make someone everyone, you make that one into no one.
Once you learn that women and men have a bias favoring women, our current problem start making more sense. Both sexes are biologically disposed to care more about women. We actually have to will ourselves to overcome our natural inclinations and this will not come from women. Men have to put their foot down.
research scientist Tania Renold ( Assistant Professor at University of New Mexico) has many studies proving this gender bias that men and women prefer women, and how that shapes government policies massively focuses on women's problems, leaving helping men's problem as a very distant afterthought
@@bolt9110 You do not need to even research that. All you need to is just open your eyes.
@@loganblackwood2922 Yup...the complaint of not enough attractive partners only thing driving this.
@@bolt9110The ones making the policies are ”alpha males” they tend to care less about other males because they have a fend for yourself mentallity
This is what MGTOW is: Men putting their foot down and walking away from relationships. I have no illusions that what I do will make a difference on how men are treated or what women value in relationships - I do it out of enough self love to still be a good man but one that is not someone else's victim.
The first person i met with an ED was a 15 year old boy at my high school who unfortunately passed away. i watched 3 friends go through horrendous DV,.....all men.
I sat and watched a female police officer tell one of them that its not possible for a male to suffer at the hands of a woman while a paramedic treated his knife wounds caused by his female partner that was outside crying and claiming self defense. she was let off. no defensive wounds no proof. and just to add to it all she told them she didnt want to press charges because he deserves a second chance. i witnessed her attack but i was never questioned by the female cop.
Thank you for your story.
Though I am curious as to why you didn't go to the police station to file a report or tell them you witnessed the attack. I'm not saying its your fault that she got away with it. It's terrifying and disgusting that the law is set up this way. However I do think the only way we can fight this is by speaking up everytime this happens whether we are a victim or witnessed the victim. Just because that clear feminist cop ignored this doesn't mean others at the station would.
@@onepunchflan3071 oh we did. they organised a restraining order against her that still stands today! but it took way too much time to get it done. he had to show proof that a woman wouldn't have to. the burden of proof was so unbalanced it was almost laughable
@@Peajay007 That's honourable of you.
It's too easy for us to stand on the outside looking in and expect change to happen by itself.
The only way we can ever change anything is for enough of us to take action in the name of justice for all. You may have had too many barriers and obstacles to face in this righteous pursuit but you still tried and got something done.
@@onepunchflan3071 thanks. There was no way I could just stand to one side. I guess the anger of the imbalance made me stand up and push for his rights
@@Peajay007 No doubt!!
When I was 17 or so a buddy of mine recounted to me in a joking manner. How his first girlfriend (they were 14ish) would repeatedly kick him in the groin with all her might as a joke and in public too. He then laughed and said "now I can't pee straight.... she probably sterilized me" stating while laughing that she had caused him permanent physical damage. I then said "dude that's F'ed up. She should be heavily fined and in behavioral correction classes at the least. Why didn't anyone stop her?" He looked at me as though I had just shot someone and then got real quiet. That isn't the only story I have like this, just the shortest and most haunting. Thank you for this podcast Chris, keep going!
That's just crazy.
I had a neighbour. Single mom with a son. She screamed at him almost every day. Loud enough that several flats must have heard everything, I certainly did. So ... one day I hear stuff flying and a cat hissing. The next day there was a poster in the hallway "Help us find our missing cat". The worst part ... I told this story to a coworker at lunch and well, had the same reaction. Oh.
@@justachannel8600 I have a neighbour too but he's a grown man in his 50s. Anyways, walking dogs in the local park and chatting and he tells his wife beats him up. Not just slaps but weapons too. Tells me she split his chin and you can see the scar. Told him to divorce and leave and he looked at me like I shot someone. What pissed me off even more was this 50 years old man was trying to pass this mindset on to a teenage boy who was complaing his girlfriend was physical abusing him and was taking advantage of him not want to hit girls. Meanwhile, the teenage girlfriend has a cast on her arms because she punched her bf so hard she broke her wrist. She's bragging about it and others girls are signing her cast.
Male disposablility and dehumanization. The failure to recognize its wrong stems from the brainwashing of telling them their only value is what can be taken from them
Women can be just as cruel as men. I've both witnessed it done to other men and been a victim of it myself.
It's also really disingenuous for women to suggest that men need to cry more because my understanding is that generally, women find that off-putting. They don't really want men to cry and complain about their problems.
Women don't care about tears as long as they're genuine, but the whining guys do is super sad. Narcissistic rage tantrums. They want to have a pity party soooo bad then wonder why they have no friends anywhere other than 4chan 🤡
As a woman, may I maybe enlighten you about that "cry paradoxon"? I really mean it not to mock you, but to explain. There is a fine line between whiney and showing your emotions. Generally speaking, we don't want you MORE to cry. I actually don't know where that myth came from. Opening up and crying are not necessarily related and as I see it, women would like men to just communicate their feelings. That doesn't have to involve crying. Crying at every little thing is indeed off-putting. In fact it's also off-putting when women do that, although I hardly know any. Also complaining ALL THE TIME is off-putting. No matter from whom. It's not off-putting to genuinely share feelings and problems. Women do that all the time among themselves.
It pretty much matters in which context and WHEN a man cries. If you know the woman for a while and she has a sense that you in general are a confident man that has his act together, doesn't blame everyone else for his own failures, doesn't waste his time doing drugs or playing silly video games all day long with no aspirations for his own life whatsoever, but has an inner strength that allows him to be RESILIENT, then it doesn't matter if he cries when something really upsetting is happening.
There is a HUGE difference, between being "strong" in a physical sense and "dominate" 🙄 and just being RESILIENT and down to earth. If a woman has a sense that you are indeed such a man, there is nothing to say against crying.
Unfortunately many women these days have to deal with men-babys that want sex immediately because they don't know how to be so self-confident to actually earn that.
Indeed I often read from men about such issues and it seems to me there is often a misconception at play or they fundamentally don't know how women work - which is sad unfortunately.
@@PattisKarriereKartenssing the point here. ‘Cry more’ solves nothing. Me crying more doesn’t get me better protection from an abusive partner, or equal treatment in family courts. Me crying more doesn’t give my future sons the opportunities I know my future daughters will have.
Encouraging tears from men in some capacity is ultimately just the new black Instagram pictures to support BLM. Total and meaningless inaction.
Lot of guys don’t have a strong enough frame to risk opening up and being vulnerable without appearing weak or like they are whining.
But if a guy has a strong enough frame and is confident enough, he can express pretty much anything he wants without consequence.
To the top two replies: thank you for proving the point.
We are NOT meant to live alone, & women dont give a shit about our issues. This is why as men we MUST have multiple friends. We must care for each other enough to listen to each others problems, & help get through tough times. 👍
Good luck you guys kill each other at high rate 🤡
Men dont even like other men Smh
A failure of men to recognize male value. Not an easy thing to break when competition drives worth, and winner takes all. We are taught to dismiss others humanity for success sake as bridging the gap between the 80 an 20% is stark. Nice guys finish last or in growing number...not at all
At one time this social need was filled by men only civic organizations and churches. However the boys clubs have been invaded and churches have been feminized, so those things are gone now.
Average women only recognize a problem when it affects them. When civilization is in a dark age only then do good and compassionate women become predominant.
I'm honestly blessed to still have some friends from 4th grade and 8th grade. I don't see them too often, but when I do, it's like a light in my brain turns on, and I remember us as boys hanging out, and now we're grown ass men. It makes me feel comfortable still knowing and being around people I've known since the age of 8.
frankly I think on some level women know they're held less accountable across the board and they are quietly happy that men are simultaneously on average worse off in negative treatment while the culture does not allow speaking of such things without backlash. because it serves their interests (men taking the fall for things, men bearing risks and women bearing rewards)
in other words the incentives are such that they would encourage an unjust system against a majority of men if it means women are treated even more preferentially.
the only thing intersectionality taught me is that im literally everyone's enemy
That's why white men hardly exist in advertising anymore
I used to volunteer with the police and the various members of the Intimate Partner Violence Division often said the Duluth Model and its Patriarchy Theory core was incredibly damaging to women.
The biggest issue was it denied male victims and female perpetrators, which meant all same-sex couples which suffered from violence would never get help.
And for the opposite-sex couples, thr vast majority of abusive relationships are mutually abusive. This means that violent women who spurn on their own half of an abusive relationship are never "caught" by the system. The police would see women in violent relationships where their violent male partners get arrested and the women walk free, only to arrest a different male partner years later with the same violent women getting no attention except as a victim. The police themselves pointed out that if they could also arrest women (arrest but not charge) they too would enter the system and get help to stop perpetuating their own half of the violence. Basically the victimhood sheltered them from harm *and* help.
SS violence is an epidemic. I feel very sorry for the women who were convinced to enter lesbian relationships as they experience the most domestic violence out of any group.
@@kc6810
But statistically, a man is much more likely to be assaulted by his wife in the first place.
@@kc6810 I've seen in many many times. My father is retired NYPD it was overwhelmingly women being raped, beaten, stabbed and murdered. I think men are in crisis and social media is the culprit.
@@moonstrukk126
That's not what studies in domestic violence have consistently shown for 30 years. Thousands of studies over decades trump anecdotal evidence.
@@BlunderCity There are important differences between male violence against women and female violence against men, namely the amount, severity and impact. Women experience higher rates of repeated victimisation and are much more likely to be seriously hurt (Walby & Towers, 2017; Walby & Allen, 2004) or killed than male victims of domestic abuse (ONS, 2020A; ONS, 2020B). Further to that, women are more likely to experience higher levels of fear and are more likely to be subjected to coercive and controlling behaviours (Dobash & Dobash, 2004; Hester, 2013; Myhill, 2015; Myhill, 2017
Wow, this guy actually seems ahead of his time. I wish more of us including myself could approach the issues with this kind of clarity.
Ahead of his time? Men's rights activists have been saying that for decades and have been demonised by nearly everyone in society. Every stat and talking pojnts he gives are from work done in the men's rights movement.
I believe there’s an underlying agenda politically to divide and conquer to steal more power here from everyone.
The racism or gender wars empower the 1% to keep their phony 2 party system intact. If people could see what’s under the hood they’d understand why no one can afford cost of living and why politically we the people can’t apply any real political pressure.
Ultimately it’s another tool of division this whole thing. Gender division for the benefit of Wall Street.
Remember power is always linked at some level.
Same
i always remember finding out about my uncles abuse. my mum and my uncle had been drinking and celebrating when they arrived back at my uncles house and my mum watched as her little brother was punched in the face and hit repeatedly by his wife before being threatened with seeing his kids. my mum ( who doesnt have the best of tempers lol) got right in and threatened her and made her leave the house, she then had to sit down with my uncle while he cried and described physical and mental abuse that had been going on for years all with the threat that she would make sure he never saw his kids again. when i see people laugh or belittle that men go through abuse too it makes me so mad, do these people not have dads, brothers, sons, friends that they care about and how would they feel if they learnt of their abuse
Thanks for standing up for us!! Your mom is an amazing woman btw!!
One of the most disgusting parts of family courts is the woman's willingness to remove the child from the fathers life. All the decisions are inward looking for themselves with zero thought for the childs health. The mothers care not for the childs outcome.
The fact we have to say "pro-men" is a problem in itself. Can't believe how far society has fallen. As a child of the 90s I wondered in awe at what the future would hold for us. I would love to go back and tell that little boy, don't bother 😬
The 90s were amazing. So glad I got to live through that decade.
Yeah I had hope until about 6-7 years ago. I see so many issues now and they are without practical solutions. Oh and I have no faith in our “elites”
I comply agree as a 90s child
I was a teenager in the 80s and imagined the 2020s to be some kind of technological heaven. Now I see the 80s as a nostalgic heaven.
Genital mutilation of boys in the USA for the past 100 years.
The 90s was garbage, 80s, 70s...and so on.
Sexist misandrist genital mutilation of baby boys, sexist no fault marriage law, lifetime alimony, no penalty for paternity fraud, women can abandon motherhood but fathers can't, women are not enforced to do anything for their husbands but husbands must provide as enforced by the law.
We don't hosl women accountable and never have as a society.
This is a gynocentric society where men are slaves and men won't even see it because their brainwashing has been too successful and they're too weak to, most of them.
Men don't even have rights over their own cocks, and they deserve the basic human right of all their genitals.
If it is not a life saving procedure it is mutilation.
Normalize NOT cutting up your sons' cocks, America.
Normalize men owning their own cocks, and not having their cocks be public property of their parents and America.
Circumcision, male genital mutilation, is immoral and disgusting.
Most Americans, conservatives or liberals, love to ignore this.
The USA mutilated 1.4 million baby boys in 2022 alone. Over 4,000 a day.
80.5% of men in USA are cut, no consent, they don't know how authentic sex feels like.
Then the USA jokes about circumcision in their crappy TV shows and movies.
Only a slave would joke about his own violation and the violation of other baby boys.
Christians in your country can't read the New Testament properly, it seems. Apostle Paul calls circumcision mutilation and emasculation.
Foregen is a biotech company that is fully reversing circumcision with regenerative medicine. This is beyond foreskin restoration which doesn't bring back the inner mucosal lining, Meissner's corpuscles, fine touch receptors, and other musculature like the dartos muscle.
Over 6500+ species of mammals have foreskins. That isn't a mistake. Do animals take better care of themselves than humans?
Europe knows better, Japan, too...the majority of the world, in fact.
His penis is his own, it's not the family penis.
To deny any of this is to be emotionally avoidant, willfully ignorant - and from ignorance comes acts of evil.
What an excellent conversation. Coming out right after Barbie is fitting. Its so refreshing to see two competent men discussing it in the open. I've tried talking to my sisters about these topics but they never listen. I'm saving this video to show them when they bring it up again. Thank you
Barbie might be a better video to showcase men's oppression. 😉
Tribes taking care of useless men are wasting energy. Those who did, are removed during evolution. LOGIC - FOOK THE LOSERS.!!!!!!
@@Raygun9000 Tribes taking care of useless men are wasting energy. Those who did, are removed during evolution. LOGIC - FOOK THE LOSERS.!!!!!!
I actually disagree about Barbie, I thought the movie was actually sympathetic to Ken. And they made him the most likeable character in the whole movie.
They don't listen cuz it's bullshit.
Every time a woman, on the left, complains about her problems I'm going to ask her if she's tried to be better.
Every time a woman of any politics complains about her problems, I'm going to go home and have a beer.
My father worked to the point of exhaustion at times, so he could provide for our family.
My mother was mentally ill and drove my dad to the brink often.
I stop communicating with my mother after dad died.
Mostly to save what's left of my sanity.
Sorry to hear this.
Mom of 2 boys…this was a REALLY good conversation! I have seen this issue progressively get more polarizing as the years go on. We can hold womans rights AND mens rights together…at the same time!
Men don't even have rights over their own cocks, and they deserve the basic human right of all their genitals.
If it is not a life saving procedure it is mutilation.
Normalize NOT cutting up your sons' cocks, America.
Normalize men owning their own cocks, and not having their cocks be public property of their parents and America.
Circumcision, male genital mutilation, is immoral and disgusting.
Most Americans, conservatives or liberals, love to ignore this.
The USA mutilated 1.4 million baby boys in 2022 alone. Over 4,000 a day.
80.5% of men in USA are cut, no consent, they don't know how authentic sex feels like.
Then the USA jokes about circumcision in their crappy TV shows and movies.
Only a slave would joke about his own violation and the violation of other baby boys.
Christians in your country can't read the New Testament properly, it seems. Apostle Paul calls circumcision mutilation and emasculation.
Foregen is a biotech company that is fully reversing circumcision with regenerative medicine. This is beyond foreskin restoration which doesn't bring back the inner mucosal lining, Meissner's corpuscles, fine touch receptors, and other musculature like the dartos muscle.
Over 6500+ species of mammals have foreskins. That isn't a mistake. Do animals take better care of themselves than humans?
Europe knows better, Japan, too...the majority of the world, in fact.
His penis is his own, it's not the family penis.
To deny any of this is to be emotionally avoidant, willfully ignorant - and from ignorance comes acts of evil.
Well, if you have daughters only you will not change your mindset. What I am trying to say is your female peers who don’t have sons, will remain the same if the society doesn’t change. The media only focuses on women needing more help, look at the horrific “rape of nanjing”, most report only focuses on “rape” and not how the men was suffering too.
The problem with the argument that you can be for men's rights and women's rights is that not everything is a positive sum game. Some areas are areas of cooperation but others are what I call areas of conflict and those ARE zero sum games. I know it sounds cool to repeat what Chris says about men and women not being a zero sum game but there are tons of areas that are.
I can cite hundreds of them. For instance, not prosecuting false accusers (who are nearly all women) because it might cause a chilling effect is an anti-male practice. There is no way to created a win win situation out of this. One side has to be sacrififed for the good of the other.
Alimony. How is it fair for a man to continue supportjng her ex-wife where, in a number of instances, she left to be with another man? But if you abolish it, you could end up with a bunch of homemakers thrown into poverty when their husband leave them. Zero sum.
And on top of all these areas of conflicts, you have the issue of limited resources. That's the main driver behind the gender war. The camp that can most convincingly make its case gets the lion's share of the resources and attention from society and policy makers.
So I often get tired of hearing the politically correct chorus of "men and women must cooperate" and "this is not a zero sum game". The problem is that enough time, it is.
@@BlunderCity No it's not. You just want to keep female privilege and shitting on men to keep it is worthwhile to you. One side doesn't have to be sacrificed for the good of the other....that's evil. Women should jus not be such bums.
Yes if we abolish Alimony women will have to be strong and independent, just like men. Tough shit for them. That's called EQUALITY!!!!
Limited resources and women want access to them without working OR being wives. Sucks for them!!
Not through the lens of feminism.
A great conversation.
These days it is possible for a man to be called dangerous, far right and a radical extremist for just talking to other men over the Internet. Especially if those men have a website or a social media channel that is not pushing out universal female victimhood, feminism, socialism and progressivism (ie, identity politics and left wing authoritarianism).
Where did this rule come from?
Why has it become so very important to prevent men from talking to one another (just as was done with slaves)?
Because all marxist ideologies require an oppressor. Without the oppressor, they cannot oppress other by pretending they are a victim. They create the oppressor so they can be victims and use their victimhood to oppress others. Yesterday it was the jew. Today its the white male. And yes, the nazis were real socialists. The communists also did the same thing. They are the ones that created the original propaganda of everyone that does not agree is rightwing and evil.
"Why has it become so very important to prevent men from talking to one another (like slaves)?" You answered your own question.
Well, it came from women. Just watch the recent podcast he did with Cory Clark. Women are the ones leaning into authoritarianism and censorship, using it to favor women and their wittle feelings. Men are for free speech and the clashing of ideas. Women are for censoring or punishing people even when they say something true, as long as that thing could cause “harm”, AKA hurt their feelings. I think all of us (on the right at least) know this intuitively, we’re just not allowed to say it because god forbid anyone says anything against the protected gender. I think we’re gonna see a big shift soon, and we already are. Men are not gonna keep putting up with it. I’ll leave it at that.
Progressivism.
When you see how easy it is to control people by eviscerating the most fundamental, biological relationship (between a man and a woman), it's an easy fallback for experts at totalitarianism.
I had a discussion with a colleague, she said why are they more male billionaires than female. I said its because they work in fields thats scalable like tech, I also said that those kind of men work crazy hours no normal man is going to work 80-100 hours a week for 20 years and she got angry and nearly cried was so confused
The whole "kiss the ring" has been driving me out of my mind for the last 5 years or so. It really does undermine the whole thing.
I loved this conversation. Men's issues are everyone's issues, as we have fathers, brothers, husbands, etc.
I tell you something funny. A couple of times i have just started a random conversation with women. With humor you can call them bitch and a tramp and what not. But when i drop the fucking bomb and say i work and belive in men's rights. They stear at You with daggers.😂
Think about how the justice system can discriminate to such a horrid degree?. And that with 50/50 abuse. Sure it's men that has beat me up. But only truly dangerous persons i have meet in my life have all been female.
People only care to fix women’s issues and often blame men for women’s issues, at least recognize honest reality. Women have become unbearably selfish and damaging with all their independent and strong feminism angles, and men suffer because there’s no real hope with how the two sexes operate in the species, but it’s up to men to figure it out, even though a lot of it is the actual purpose of feminism which is not equality, but power and subversion.
In a similar say women's issues are everyone's issues...which will take priority?
Tribes taking care of useless men are wasting energy. Those who did, are removed during evolution. LOGIC - FOOK THE LOSERS.!!!!!!
Not seeing your son as a father must be heart wrenching. Especially if you havnt done what you are accused of.
We are a utility, first and foremost. It's as simple as that. They will care when stuff stops working.
Chris is definitely right. Listening as a women felt fine yet somewhat uncomfortable…No one implied we’re the problem, but for some reason it feels like it. Had to keep fighting away at being defensive and just listen. Interesting feeling that came up a few times. Great interview!
Feminism ruined society so bad, the only way for men to get respect and appreciation in this feminist society is to literally become women. 😂😂
I think that the problem is there are problems. in life there's problems. And women know deep down that they fix basically none of them. A woman's idea of taking action is to whinge until a man actually takes the action. In a very real sense there is very little difference between women and children. So when men start trying to tackle men's problems subconsciously women know that means less attention and resources for them. and male attention and resources is lifeblood to women.
Thanks Elle, I hope the best for you in your future. I don't blame women at all, but I think there is a lot of growing up women need to do in terms of dealing with men.
It’s interesting how the mere conversation illicits an emotive response
Really good insight & self-regulation here. Glad you tuned in Elle
It comes to this one thing - people believe men have agency, and women don't. Even people purpotinf to fight for women's agency still act like they don't. If you're male, you are seen to have agency in everything you do, and are therefore responsible for everything you do. If you're female, you've never had full agency and there are always external mitigating circumstances around across you take.
This is so SAD; I’m 76, a feminist from the 70’s, and I LOVE men… even married two of them 🙄. Men have gotten a totally raw deal, and young men today are so undervalued and confused. And that’s on us. Being a feminist and wanting to see women treated fairly should have nothing to do with devaluing men, saying they are unnecessary ( they absolutely ARE) or even worse, hating on them
Our society is in crisis for many reasons right now, and the plight of young men who feel useless and directionless and have never been taught what makes a good and honorable man, is a huge part of it.
I don't believe a single word of that drivel.
I noticed you brought up the honorable man BS.
These are the first men denigrated and despised.
Lies and BS.
Men can't be "left behind" because the definition of patriarchy is "all men benefit while all women are oppressed". If they admit men have problems, then we don't live in a patriarchy, and if we don't live in a patriarchy, women are not an oppressed class deserving of special treatment.
The definition of feminism is "men should keep modern infrastructure working to make women's lives easy without expecting women to be greatful in return".
It's easy to be strong and independent when men are the ones putting their lives in danger to keep buildings from collapsing and clean water and electricity running.
Well said
Chris this is one of the most thought provoking podcasts and they just keep getting better. Thank you
Thank you!
@@TheTinMenBlog I'd echo that - great conversation.
Can I suggest a different way of viewing the pay gap?
Can we instead start talking about the spend gap?
In commercial radio, there is a well-understood maxim that women make most of the purchasing decisions, so make your show female-friendly.
This clearly demonstrates that pay is largely irrelevant. When it comes to resource allocation, women have much more power than men, especially domestically.
Also, single mothers (much more prevalent than single fathers) get larger state help than individuals, which amounts to wealth redistribution from men to women (as men pay more tax). Within marriages, the wife makes most spending decisions.
In my life, I have never chosen a carpet, furniture or curtains. I have only once chosen a house and I have not chosen a car since I was single.
I'm not sure how typical I am, but I think the radio DJs might have a point.
The fire-“men”statement was actually really poignant.
RIP Brothers.
I've never heard it argued from this direction. I really don't agree with his general politics, but it's extremely clear that he is intellectually honest, and rational.
I'm over 50 years old and I have yet to come upon a woman who cares about men enough to listen to and worry about their problems unless they are paid to do it. And Many of those who are paid to do it still show that they don't really care personally. Even most other men don't care about their fellow men's troubles! Probably to look good to women, these unsympathetic men can be some of the harshest of attackers when men voice concerns.
My own mother has to put forth a great deal of effort to put on a sympathetic face (with more than enough flaws to clearly show it as a pretence) for me.
Funny how these conversations are finally just starting to crack (barely) into the mainstream, I have been hearing about and following these issues for 8 years now, but really in that timespan men have just been doing worse and worse.
I tried having a casual conversation about this to my group of friends once about 12 years ago. They seemed offended that I would even suggest that men had struggles. Especially in dating and schools. My family to this day (mostly educated females), even most recently, my wife failed to acknowledge this.
I actually saw it on CNN of all places
Part of it might be with Tate blowing up the Left/MSM has slowly been realizing that they're losing market share with the male demographic and are starting to pivot.
@@naisyjohnssounds like you're surrounded by fools.
I've abandoned any family or friends that refuse to see men as humans.
Consider that.
Same here. Been following the likes of Karen Straughan for a decade and I find it rather interesting that it's only getting some traction because people on the "right thinking" Left are talking about it.
Before our daughter was born, my wife and I decided that I would stay home to raise her for at least the first few years, as she already has great career, and I am uneducated and unskilled on paper. As we approached our daughters second year of life, My wife decided she wanted a divorce and immediately cut me off from the marital funds and the vehicle, and started working on removed me from the house. She still went to work every day while I took care of our daughter, and I had no way to put her in daycare while I found and started a job; I was essentially trapped. Long story short, she's treating me the way that men used to treat women which led to a movement for a change in divorce laws. But somehow, these laws are not protecting me. I'm not getting any child support, or any spousal support, the court has not ordered her to give me any of the property that's in the house, not even our daughters clothing or toys. I'm basically all on my own. I'm unrepresented because I don't have thousands of dollars to retain an attorney, and of course she has a nice divorce lawyer.
Now you know what women went through for centuries
Sorry you had to go through that man. Hopefully your daughter learns to be nothing like her mother.
It’s a tricky one being a stay-at-home dad since divorce rates are so much higher in those types of marriages.
Hope things get better for you and good luck, I know you can comeback better from this.
@@wyleecoyotee4252What’s your point?
Are you implying he should suffer the same thing just because women of the past went through the same thing?
It’s a horrible thing for anyone to go through and we as a society should stop it but at least women have the favour of divorce courts. He doesn’t.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 What's your point?
@@ARR409 I'd like to think that my wife will grow as a person as she moves on from our marriage and into this new life where she's caring for another human being, making her a great role model for our daughter. Thank you for the well wishes. There's a small part of me that is actually having fun researching the law and preparing my case lol I feel like Erin Brockovich
One of the biggest reasons for male self deletion is the break down of a relationship and being terrorised by his ex with holding his children, also taking them to cleaners money and asset wise, I’ve lost so many mates this way, let’s talk about the fact that some women have the weight of law to terrorise a man out of spite
Someone who actually sees through the whole thing and calls it for what it is. I agree with you completely, it’s the situation I am currently facing
@@craigruddock6631 I feel for you brother, men must come together speak out about it, it’s the only way I can think of that we can make a difference
We need more of this kind of conversation. Look at the college graduation and enrollment rates by gender.... Holy, disparity.
Scholarships, workshops, mentor programs, counseling for women.....men? Good luck....man up. Oh, and she won't be attracted to you unless you are top 10%
Who the hell wants to go to these public indoctrination camps?
I can take a young man straight out of high school and he can make 40k minimum without even trying, that's before you add the 30-40k tax free in travel money (per diem).
If a young man can make 50k + right out of high school. Why in the hell would he go to a utter dump to be told on a daily basis that he is the problem with society. This isn't even a question logically.
@@toddjohnson271unfortunately that’s a hard truth, I think we are going to go through a few generations where the bottom 90% of us are weeded out by women until men are much closer to their liking. I think one solution would be for feminists to have daughters only and that way there a fewer displaced men going forward
The don't care about men because men to them are their villains.
It must be hard being a young boy growing up with everyone telling you that you're not only the architect of your own misery but of everyone else's as well
"young boy growing up with everyone telling you that you're not only the architect of your own misery but of everyone else's as well"
This is basically the synopsis of the new Barbie movie.
@@okaySam That stupid assessment just shows how biased you are in favor of your own victimhood.
You know who said to my son: "You are making mummy cry!"???? MY EX HUSBAND did that! I was mad as hell because he blamed our little son for making me cry although I cried because my ex husband was being an a-hole in that moment. So who is now whom telling he's the misery of everyone else?? I would never ever would have blamed a child to be responsible for his parent's feelings. In my experience mostly men are completely insensitive and unaware for little details like that. So it's basically your own fault. Women had to sort out their issues. Sort out male issues without blaming others.
I grew up in a super-progressive environment which was very much like today's and I can tell you, I and the boys around me did not make it out intact. It took me 10 years of active work to deprogram myself out of the awful feelings that were indoctrinated into me. We're gonna see a suicide epidemic like nothing we've seen before.
Yep. 35 years plus, as long as I can remember I’ve always had that feeling that something is wrong with me. I am broken because I was born with a penis in there for all the problems in the world on my phone. But all of that I’ve spent my entire life trying to not just kept through but some problems and help other people so there’s! I’m 44 years old now, and was already pretty much fucked by the time I was a teenager. I want to depression, addiction, because of the state of the world. and feeling so powerless to do anything, or seeing anyone else around here, and even give a fuck
I've been in the trenches of family law reform for 15 years. ALL feminist groups vehemently oppose 50 50 shared parenting legislation.
But that’s equality!!!
I was recently with a group of volunteers at a boys school. One of them was lamenting that there was not enough female scientists to choose from in a recent gr 5 class project and that she was going to write a letter to the school about this.
I told her just to leave the boys be and to not to bring ideology into the classroom.
There aren't that many females at the far end of the dimorphic curve of pretty much everything. Maybe she should shake her fist at existence / nature / the creator.
@@sunfish4095 they are they just cant name it that cause they've forgot and or they'll be mocked
The doors have been wide open for women. For a long time now. Lower and working class folk are well aware of the capabilities often, or the ability to grasp education or have learning disabilities means they get left behind. We went from an analog world and into the digital age at the same time manufacturing went abroad for cheaper labor. This all didn't just happen overnight.
The use of the term "toxic masculinity" is much more harmful and evil, female hysteria was used malevolently, but not to this degree, to publicly shame men for the most innocent of male behaviors. They're criticizing competitive sports, that's how bad it is.
Amazing podcast, you're the top podcast that's highlighting men's issues.
Wrap your head around this......I worked at IBM and my area had a "sexual harassment" meeting. Just for the men. The presenter gave an example: "A man is walking down the hall, and he passes a woman, and looks around to see if his buddy is still following him.....but the woman he passes "thought" the guy was looking at her, then she is correct and the man will get fired." The room got silent. The presenter would not reason about it and we were told to suck it up. We were told that there is no such thing as a woman's sexual harassment toward men, only men against women.. It all was predicated on evolution, that males can always overpower a woman. End of discussion.
Maybe he saw the BS and was subtly trying to teach you how to protect yourselves.
Too bad you couldn't record it a sue the ever living fvck out of them.
I don't think it starts and ends with mental health issues with men too. It's everything. I've felt painted into an ever decreasing corner on a range of issue whether it's relationships or feelings or access to support or opportunities. There just doesn't feel like there's much of anything out there for us. And when we suffer and struggle our stuff gets invalidates or marginalised or pushed under carpets as not deserving care or concern or redress. Like we're expected to have no problems, but if we do to shut up about them or be invalidated or ridiculed. Its a callous disregard for our half of humanity.
Whaaaaaa.
It's mind over matter.
If you don't mind, it don't matter.
If you think this garbage society gives a damn, you are sorely mistaken.
Such is life, deal with it.
Liberalism: Be proud of who you are and be brave enough to stand up and talk about what you believe in. Progressivism: Be ashamed of who you are and never talk about subjects that are not approved of by the angry mob.
Pretty much.
Men will only be appreciated after we are all gone, and probably not even then. The only thing left for us to do is to put down our shovels, hammers, and rifles, and walk away. Why suffer for nothing?
I'll say this. It's rather sad how little women seem to care. They say its not their problem. That's alarming considering women make up most of the theraptists and mental health advocates. If it was any other group, they would care more. That's not right.
Why don't most men care about men?
@@wyleecoyotee4252 Why are men forced to care about women
I raised 2 boys, 18 & 22. I've had to sit them down and talk to them about all the anti male content the left has been spewing for years now. My youngest is going to start college in the fall. Hopefully, I've given him enough tools to deal with all the bs. It's hard enough just being a young man without having society tell them how bad they are. At least we left the San Francisco Bay area where it would be even worse...... Side note for myself, at work I don't deal with the women anymore than I have too.
The first video of this kind in a long time I have loved. That point about suicide being seen as a pragmatic solution... That hit hard from experience. Well done.
Feminist women will never accept that social program money be split with the men. It would mean less for their own. Nevermind that men also pay taxes.
What don't people know about the Family Court system is like for men...Ask Me! In January of this year, I finished a 37-month-long pretrial/Jury trial. I was Vindicated by the Jurors on all accounts in less than 10 minutes of deliberation after 5 months of trial. The case has been appealed by the DA and they want to squeeze the last breath out of me. The Law does not apply. I'm a man and I'm a fighter and I will tell my story! That's all I have left.
4 minutes in, already need to comment.
As a woman, I find it so frustrating that we have to disclaim any mention of men’s needs with an acknowledgment first of women’s needs.
Our culture has become so lopsidedly focused on women and girls and then we wonder why men are struggling.
I have a son and a daughter. I also have a father and brother and a husband. I’ve seen first hand how families suffer when men feel trapped by impossible expectations. It hurts men and women alike. We have to share space and live together, and take care of each other.
I am frankly angry that more women aren’t speaking out about this. Women got us into this predicament by pretending we are oppressed when we’re not, and women need to stand up and fight for men.
why should they speak out, you women as a whole seems to get turned on by violence on males and the subsequent saying that is toxic m. fault (the equivalent of me saying a woman was r***d because she used a dress too short.)
Such an unpopular opinion - mothers want to be mothers... loving this conversation. I'm raising a young boy and it's heartbreaking seeing the onslaught of demoralisation our men, especially young men are facing.
Finally, a nuanced, compassionate, balanced, respectful take on this issue.
This might be one of the most important podcasts on this topic yet. I really hope in a few years Chris (and this pod) will be seen as a trailblazer towards REAL progress and equality - especially for all the men who fear being left behind romantically, socially and perhaps most dire of all genetically
But what steps would you like to see implemented? What practical measures can be made ?
@@brianmeen2158Men walking completely away.
All of them.
That's the solution.
Imagine being a father and taking your daughter to see the barbie movie only for the movie to paint you as a evil man 😂
The fact that this conversation even happened shows how deep the problem is.
‘It’s a man’s world’ is the biggest gaslight of the century.
I know several ex-servicemen. Many of them that went to war for the country say they wouldn't do it again. A few are still "Gong Ho" about the nation, but most say they wouldn't.
Men are finally tired of being disrespected and demoralized. It's really been bad lately. Many men are considering leaving the very country they fought for.
I got absolutely no respect for the left movement these days. And I use to respect them, but not any more. After the left decided to use confusion to accomplish their objectives, I'm dead set against them now because I know they shall reap what they sew. The double standard toward men will eventually drive them away from society and that is exactly what women seem to want. Eventually men will start moving out of the country.
I know many men who can't afford to get out of the nation that have turned to drug abuse. Of course, this just makes the situation worse. The American male is disappearing from society and they were basically the ones that built this country. How many female carpenters do you know? How many female plumbers do you know? How many women even know how to build a house? How many women will be digging a ditch? A good many if they want to survive in the future, because they are driving the American male away. I came to understand these things after my ex-wife bribed a judge to ensure she got the children in our divorce. She did this even after me coming home from my job every week and signing my paycheck and handing it to her. After she went out every week with her friends and left me at home to tend the children. And from what I've seen, this has become common these days. Men are fed up. And women can't understand why men don't want to date any longer.
Imagine being a victim of DV, and then being falsely accused and jailed by your abuser. Ffs
The more I listen to podcasts surrounding men's issues, the more confused I generally get. However, on this occasion, I've gained great clarity, to the point where I think I understand what's going on in society. The destruction of the 'Patriarchy' is in truth, a social movement that has moved away from empowering and creating a society that reflects the values of men to disempowering them and ensuring their values are not reflected at all i.e. feminism. There is nothing worth defending in this society, and in fact, it often attacks you through its institutions e.g. the media, police, courts etc. I don't blame some guys for wanting to check out, I just wished they'd get angry instead and a movement can begin to overturn what has been done to us.
The only solution is a powerful government that goes out of its way to make sure that boys are becoming quality men. But that’s impossible because everyone has been taught to hate the state. No one can imagine the state as necessary to raising men because they have no concept of genius. They hate geniuses and don’t want to admit how superior genius ideas are to their stupid ideas. They don’t want geniuses to have any power or influence and so everyone is dumb and unable to figure out how to improve things.
Men are not allowed to be angry. There is no way to start such a movement. Women would have to allow it. That will never happen. And with all the institutions and even most men brainwashed, there is little to no hope. It will have to get much much worse, before it can get better.
>"Women would have to allow it."
Nope. They won't like it. But there's nothing they can do to stop it if men collectively tell them to F off. You are imprisoning yourself with this thinking. Don't allow your life to be dictated by those weaker than you.
Pity party for penis. Males ruin good things then attempt to blame mommy. Narcissists are perpetual victims 🤡
Women are 52% of this feminist democracy. Theyll always vote in their interest. There is no amount of anger that would overturn THEIR feminist creation.
At 40:00 re study on sexed differences reinforcing gender stereotypes, I grew up in a feminist influenced environment so internalized the blame men understanding, but now in my late 50s (with renewed dating experiences post divorce) and having raised two daughters, I have had to reverse my thinking and acknowledge the strong role women play in reinforcing stereotypes and dysfunction. Both my daughters centre their body image issues significantly with their mother (who always commented on their weight etc), and personally have repeatedly had to revise my prior understandings around women’s understandings with men (and how much BS there is around what is said about what women want and what their actual choices).
Another example: share any vulnerabilities? No problem! Except why share if a woman’s response is then lack of attraction, unwillingness to just listen rather than gaslighting, or shame and dismissiveness? So I say, fine you want fake confidence, I can go cry on my own, keep my mouth shut rather than experience an unsupportive friend.
My wife was abusive in everyway. Somehow I ended up with false DV charges. Even all my exs wrote letters to the court saying im not violent and this never happened. It didnt matter. Yewh f society
Thank you for interviewing George! I’ve learned so much from his Instagram account
13 minutes in and I already agree with what this dude says and how the left (mainly feminist) treat us.
As a black dude I’ve had my own mother be against fear mongering of black people, but then she will do everything said in this video with fear mongering men, saying that men are violent, and if you brought up an issue than it’s men’s fault or because of other men, call my or men’s bad experiences as an exception, etc.
But this isn’t just her their are other people on the left like that. I’m not left or right, but I just would prefer if people don’t treat me badly for my sex and then pretend as if they are on your side while blaming me for the world’s problems.
This is exactly the sort of conversation I want my sons to have access to. So glad there is men like these two speaking out.
Nice to see a discussion on problems that media and politicians like to forget. In central europe there is the same problem.
This was very moving- I completely agree… and I’m a woman
Even as an antifeminist, i still fell into the trap of thinking it’s their fault, or that they need to work harder, or that it’s better that it’s men on the streets rather than women. I’m a dude, an antifeminist and all that stuff, and yet still fell into that trap. I’m disappointed in myself.
At least you have the self-awareness and open mindedness to admit it. Not a lot of people do that these days.
Got a question though, why did you think it’s better that it was men on the streets rather than women? Genuinely curious.
This is a magnificent talk. George is a fantastic ambassador and makes some incredible points. The point made about family court was especially pertinent. As he pointed out, what is more important than having your children taken off you? And yet no one gives a shit. Thanks guys.
What an unbelievably refreshing conversation. Thank you.
here's a point I never hear made about the gender pay gap: let's say men make slightly more, fine. Try looking up what percentage of the economy is carried by women's purchasing choices vs men's. Turns out that women drive 70 - 80 % of consumer spending... so men may make more money, but women are spending far more. Who's money are they spending and why? Probably the answer is that mother's who stay home do most of the spending for the family, while men do the earning.
I regularly make it. And it’s true
Women have around the same 70-80% of consumer debt, explaining some of the spending difference also.
There is no fvcking pay gap.
It's an earnings gap, and as much as some would like to argue, there's a distinct difference.
I can hear all the silly arguments now.
Pay gap would indicate that there is a direct action to actively pay a woman less. That been illegal since the late 60's.
A pay gap would mean that there would be no good reason to ever hire a man for any job whatsoever. Why the hell would any business person hire a man for a higher wage when they can save money and benefits when hiring a woman. In 40 years, I've never gotten a rational answer.
Now a wage gap is a different story. Total wages indicates that men put in more hours, work harder and most importantly, are not afraid to be sometime brutal in their asking for a pay raise.
Men also are willing to do dirty, nasty dangerous jobs.
Case in point, the industry I work in is dominated by men. Women generally don't want to work outside in the searing sun or blazing cold. I know guys that make a quarter mil a year, as do I.
Do you know how many Starbucks baristas that's worth?
If you can get on the right boat, knocking down an obscene amount of money in 6 months working Alaskan fishing boats is pretty easy.
Off shore oil rig workers have it pretty decent to.
Man to woman ratio is 1000 to 1.
Now, let's talk your wage gap.
And yes, if you look up the statistics, women generally hold 75±% of all consumer debt.
He said we love those "Go getter women, that are in your face." I definitely don't. I find them obnoxious and intolerable. Arrogance, condescension and a proclivity to humilate people you don't really know are not attractive qualities. Period.
I'm a woman and I hate those women.
@@pcap8810Sucessful men love it tho only the beta males that cant compete get angry 😂
@@babycakes6342I can promise you I probably make 4 times what you do.
Getting in my face as a woman, is no different than getting in my face as a man.
Leave or deal with the consequences.
Every GD one of them that pull that shit needs to have the cops called on them immediately and press every change they can.
I am a woman. I talk out about men’s issues all the time.
The only way to have fully developed and happy men is to not attack masculinity. Good men are shaped by weathered men who know how to channel their masculinity.
I am not a feminist, but I hear them whine at 35-45 years of age, about being unable to find good men.
I agree with you with the original sin / born male that we should never sex shame boys & men. Men bring a beautiful side to the table.
The feminist are their own self fulfilling prophecy, they stomp on boys, but expect them to be good men, then blame the men when they are fractured.
Keep up the brilliant work guys. It's so rare but so important that these issues get discussed from the perspective of solid evidence rather than hype about men's problems being caused by 'patriarchy' or 'toxic masculinity'.
I didn't know about all these statistics and yet I am not surprised at all. I know several men in my life who have been victims of sexual abuse, domestic violence, and some are now dead due to suicide. I have seen them have to "man up" as they were being dismissed. I really feel for men, being a woman in this day and age, I would not trade places. Men's and women's issues are all valid and it's not a competition, they also feed into each other and to help one side often requires to also help the other. Great conversation guys, keep up the good work!
Thank you. It's really difficult to not succumb to bitterness about the whole thing. Lord knows I struggle with that.
Great and informative podcast! I'm glad we are having more conversations about these societal issues that not only persist, but sometimes fester into something worse as our society becomes more polarized. I feel like the divide between sides has grown in size throughout the years, but I'm thankful that Chris is putting in good work with the help of his guests to narrow that gap.
Love this! I’d like to share a breakthrough moment I had that illustrates how society encourages the dismissing of men’s feelings and issues. I was listening to a comedian’s autobiography & he was talking about separating from his wife and how hard it was not seeing his kids every day. I was in my 30s at the time & it was the first time I realized that men actually care about their kids as much as women do. I feel ashamed that I could have even considered that point of view before. But I didn’t even know I thought that. Conversations like these help people discover what biases they have and what deeply held beliefs about men they may hold without realizing it. Thank you!
Around 1:33:00.
You can't generalize about women.
But you CAN generalize about feminism. It's a thought system, a "philosophy" and has tenets in common to all its incarnations.
An important aspect of all this is the general disgust and contempt of men and boys. Its worth reading anout disgust as it drives a lot of these issues. Having been suicidal, in my case i would see it as a mental health issue. There were external factors of course. But shifting from theres something wrong with me / i am broken....to i am ill. It has a cause and a cure helped. I slso started saying to friends i am depressed with GAD, not to talk about it, but to come out of the shame hiding about my weakness. I am okay now, mostly free of depression and anxiety. Haven't been suicidal in a few years. But it makes we wary, if it starts up again, i get help quickly before it gets bad.
Looking forward to this conversation 👍
In Canada we actually have split maternity/paternity leave just like you described. And yes, the mother usually takes all of the leave to take care of the child while the father works.
In Canada fathers get 2 of their own leaves as well. One can be taken with the mat leave.
At my workplace all the guys take those leaves.
Men are happy to lag behind, and watch society run ahead off a cliff.
It's not recursive red pill. Out of all the 10 irl people I know who had children with a woman, only one relationship out of all 10 of them have lasted.
It's true. Whenever you're debating with a women about men's right they're only focused being rude and disrespectful and not open to changing their own opinion and instead changing yours. It's so selfish. It makes it next to impossible to ever take them seriously in a debate again..
Thank you for raising the issue of family courts in the UK.
It's great to see TheTinMen (George) in person after reading and interacting with him multiple times elsewhere. I am pleasantly surprised at how eloquent, approachable, and charismatic he appears on camera, where it is often quite difficult to be relaxed and not come across poorly for various reasons. I really think that George could become the face of male advocacy in a very serious way. The problem with that idea though is that there is no money or support to do so. However, if one day there ever were to be the political will and capital to lobby for men and boys, this man should be the first person we all get behind as our voice and our face to the world. He really has his finger on the pulse of what men and boys are experiencing in the modern era.
Maybe the problem is having to petition the government in the first place. Maybe a society should have more freedom, independence and liberty, not some grand arbiter controlling everything, placating to each sex to divide us into separate socioeconomic classes and sociopolitical classes to gain itself more power in the first place.
Thanks for a great conversation and for bringing upp the late Dr. Hans Rosling! ❤
This guy is going to be on a podcast within a year talking about "I didnt leave the left.... the left left me".
Nice to see someone else waking up a bit right on camera.
He did not "walk right", did he? Being factual and looking into facts ain't "right" in the political sense, never was and never will be. It is just very sad that it ain't "left" anymore, either. Having been a unionized worker everytime I was employed (and not elf-employed), having been a strong social-democrat in the European pre-1983-sense, I am called "far right" today without having moved a yota from my political and economical opinions the last 40 years .... the violent feminist "left (which ain't left at all) just moved the goalposts so far away that reasonable people do look like fools or weirdos compared *_to them_* .... Staying objective would solve that problem .... 😅
@@manfredschmalbach9023I hear you, we need to have a sane (and maybe somewhat moderate) camp in American politics. I feel like so many people are pining for this and we would win in a landslide.
@@satyampatel8402 We're just these days getting a new party slightly left of the "radical neoliberal centrist establishment block" in my country. (Germany)
Problem is, to divide the protest-voters and those really willing to do whatever it takes to get a political change going in a "right side part" and a "left-side part" and denying any coalition or collaboration beforehand does ensure the radical neoliberal centrists' possibility to go on as they did for forty years by now .... We have a six party parliament. the new party will abolish the current lefties I reckon, so we will still have a six parties parliament afterwards (next federal election in two years). Even with a fifth of the votes on each end of the spectrum, the 40 % "protesters" overall against the establishment will be just a joke, a two times 20% powerless joke.
@@manfredschmalbach9023 This sounds promising. I think the slight left of the "radical neoliberal centrist establishment block" seems like a long-forgotten segment of the population. I hope it goes well
@@satyampatel8402 When the crook Schroeder and the even worse crook Fischer took over in 1998 together, the "Social Democrats" were a more-than-40 % party in Germany, with a non-voter's quota of just shy of 18%. The Schroeder-mafia lost half of the party members and a lot of the votes already until 2005. The SPD never recovered from Schroeder's crookery and today has roundabout 12-to-15 % in polls with non-voting quotas roundabout at 38%, that's, given non-voting quotas, waaay less than a third of what they had 20 years ago, and most of these voters aren't voting any more because there's downright nobody representing 'em. Probably the new moderate Left can win those back and be strong enough to stirr up everything good - alone I doubt it. The radical neoliberal thieves are too strongly bound together by their corporate mafia-donors, they have too much to lose in terms of the "rotating door systematics" and too less to gain with political honesty or even an economically more humane vision _for_ their people and against the crookery of big money.
Imagine the impact if this conversation would be promoted and broadcasted while peak hours in every western country at the same time 😮